Log for #openttd on 29th May 2006:
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00:44:08  <orudge> Hmm, I'm guessing VC6 support was indeed dropped then?
00:44:14  * orudge notices it not working, anyway
00:47:15  * MYOB wonders what wonderful linking errors he'll have, because the compile has otherwise been smooth, too damn smooth
00:47:57  <MYOB> also, I notice my bemidi implementation is no longer alone as c++ :p
00:49:47  <orudge> Indeed, as of the other day
00:49:51  <orudge> (well, there was dmusic, too)
00:50:05  * orudge is now going to have to attempt to fix compilation with OS/2 though, which will be fun
00:50:09  <orudge> well, Open Watcom
00:50:15  <MYOB> right, where the hell is my PNG configuration
00:54:08  <MYOB> it'd be nice if the dependency calculation wasn't done on every make...
00:57:11  <MYOB> anyway, what did I say about linker issues? yeah...
00:57:23  <MYOB> libraries that don't exist on BeOS being specified, fun fun fun
01:08:18  <MYOB> well, it still works
01:08:21  <MYOB> thats surprising
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01:44:59  <Tobin> Morning people.
01:47:13  <Tobin> Hmm, YAPF is in trunk now?
01:47:25  <Tobin> Good work KUDr.
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02:27:37  * Vornicus runs svn update.  fwees
02:58:28  <Vornicus> Does the farm do mini_in yet?
03:01:01  * Vornicus makes 5006/miniIN: ===> Compiling language slovak
03:01:02  <Vornicus> lang/slovak.txt:327: FATAL: STR_UNITS_WEIGHT_LONG_IMPERIAL: Invalid number of plural forms. Expecting 3, found 1.
03:01:02  <Vornicus> ===> Compiling language spanish
03:17:22  <Vornicus> also, woot 32-bit tgperlin seeds
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04:21:02  <Smoky555> is PBS dead?
04:26:40  <Tobin> Smoky555: No, it is not dead.
04:27:09  <Tobin> But the new PBS needs YAPF, which was only merged with the trunk a few days ago.
04:28:05  <Tobin> So you can help speed up the redevelopment of PBS by downloading the most recent nightly and playing with YAPF turned on.
04:28:19  <Tobin> Just remember to submit any bugs you find.
04:28:32  <Smoky555> YAPF was merged into trunk?
04:28:52  <Tobin> Yes.
04:29:11  <Smoky555> rev 4974 ia with YAPF or not?
04:29:22  <Tobin> r4987 is when it was merged.
04:29:37  <Smoky555> thanks :)
04:29:52  * Smoky555 going to dounload fresh trunk ....
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06:18:02  <Celestar> morning
06:23:31  <Mizipzor> Celestar, morning
06:28:07  <Smoky555> is something like PBS in trunk?
06:29:25  <Vornicus> no.
06:29:41  <Smoky555> :(
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06:42:21  <Celestar> KUDr: you there`
06:42:22  <Celestar> ?
06:51:44  <Celestar> damnit I'm running outta sprite memory
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07:15:48  <KUDr> Celestar: here
07:22:14  * KUDr -> work (talk to you later)
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08:16:03  <Bjarni> so long that it's boring, but too short to go home
08:16:23  * Bjarni lives far away from uni
08:16:46  <peter1138> today is a bank holiday here
08:16:50  <peter1138> == day off :D
08:17:01  <Bjarni> you work in a bank?
08:17:08  <peter1138> no
08:17:44  <Bjarni> then I fail to see why it's your day off
08:18:11  <Bjarni> maybe bank holiday means something else than closed banks
08:18:24  <Bjarni> but how should I know
08:18:39  <Bjarni> as peter1138 noticed, English is not my native language
08:19:18  <Celestar> hi peter
08:19:38  <peter1138> " British bank holidays are statutory Public Holidays and  have been recognized since 1871. The name Bank Holiday comes from the time when banks were shut and so no trading could take place."
08:20:35  <Bjarni> ahh
08:20:46  <Bjarni> but it leaves one question
08:20:50  <Bjarni> what do you do at work?
08:21:15  <peter1138> sit on irc and fiddle with ottd ;p
08:21:25  <Bjarni> I know
08:21:37  <Bjarni> what I meant was: what should you do at work?
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08:23:12  <Celestar> this rocks :)
08:23:27  <Bjarni> the gravel pit?
08:23:32  <Celestar> nah the game (=
08:23:45  <Bjarni> we need gravel pit industries
08:24:22  <Bjarni> damn those annoying and really noisy construction workers
08:24:41  <Bjarni> they are building a new building like 30-50 meters from here
08:24:46  <Bjarni> bbl
08:25:01  <Bjarni> I want to see if I can find a terminal away from those guys
08:27:47  <Celestar> passengers waiting: 3900 :S
08:27:52  <Celestar> rating 12%
08:28:17  <Celestar> I think I overdid this feeding system
08:28:35  <peter1138> imo, cities grow too fast
08:29:35  <Celestar> <= do you really think so peter1138 ?
08:30:05  <peter1138> mmm, bridges
08:30:34  <peter1138> that must look pretty weird
08:30:44  <Celestar> what?
08:30:47  <peter1138> with trains going through the side of the viaduct's arch
08:31:34  <Celestar> yes a bit
08:31:39  <peter1138> merge!
08:31:42  <Celestar> that'S why we need those limitations later on
08:31:53  <Celestar> without Tron's consent? :P
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08:32:21  * Fujitsu imagines Celestar's crumpled body lying on the floor.
08:32:24  <peter1138> he's not around ;p
08:32:31  <peter1138> Fujitsu: it'll be worth it
08:32:35  <peter1138> err
08:32:36  <peter1138> :D
08:32:40  <Celestar> if he doesn't show up, I'll merge tomorrow, k?
08:32:45  <KUDr_wrk> [09:40:05] <Celestar> KUDr: we should do some thinking concerning signalling <-- right, but i am not sure how much time i will have at work (expecting my US boss here for next two weeks)
08:32:49  * Fujitsu applauds.
08:32:52  * Fujitsu books a funeral.
08:33:07  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: k I'll try to learn stuff about Templates in the meantime
08:33:19  <KUDr_wrk> ok
08:33:31  <Fujitsu> Yay for C++!
08:33:43  <Bjarni> back
08:33:49  <Bjarni> (from a new building)
08:34:03  <KUDr_wrk> moved?
08:34:11  <Fujitsu> Less noise there?
08:34:34  <Bjarni> yeah. Now I can't hear those construction workers at all
08:34:59  <Bjarni> and this is funny. The other place had a decent amount of people using the terminals and here I'm all alone
08:35:45  <Celestar> damn
08:35:50  <Celestar> damn damn damn
08:35:58  <Bjarni> but there aren't any windows, so I only got artificial lights and they are controlled by some sort of motion sensor, so a moment after I entered, the lights wents out and it became completely black
08:36:09  <Bjarni> and it took a while before the lights came back :(
08:36:20  <Celestar> <= and how do I expand this airport now?
08:36:36  <Bjarni> I think it must have looked funny with me trying to get the sensor's attention
08:38:46  <Bjarni> <Celestar> <= and how do I expand this airport now? <--- you don't
08:39:03  <Bjarni> you build a new one outside of the city and use the feeder service :p
08:39:03  <Celestar> seems very much so, doesn't it?
08:39:18  <Bjarni> that would be nice with passenger destinations
08:40:20  <Bjarni> now I know what to do
08:40:33  <Bjarni> I could look at that "find depot in huge city" thing
08:40:55  <Bjarni> the nice sys admin installed svn here :D
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08:42:12  <Bjarni> <KUDr_wrk> [09:40:05] <Celestar> KUDr: we should do some thinking concerning signalling <-- right, but i am not sure how much time i will have at work (expecting my US boss here for next two weeks) <-- US boss visit = half of the workers gets fired and they expect production to double from that action
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08:42:19  <Bjarni> and also a morale boost
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08:43:02  <Vornicus> 2-star conversations.
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08:45:51  <Celestar> Vornicus: ?
08:46:31  <Bjarni> <KUDr_wrk> [09:40:05] <Celestar> KUDr: we should do some thinking concerning signalling <-- right, but i am not sure how much time i will have at work (expecting my US boss here for next two weeks)
08:46:36  <Bjarni> oops
08:47:31  <Bjarni> make: Fatal error in reader: Makefile, line 136: Unexpected end of line seen
08:47:38  <Bjarni> do you guys get that as well?
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08:49:16  <Bjarni> MAKEFILE_VERSION:=10
08:49:22  <Bjarni> how can that be wrong?
08:50:08  <Bjarni> ahh
08:50:16  <Bjarni> I should use gmake, not make
08:50:20  <Bjarni> it's Solaris :p
08:51:14  <KUDr_wrk> Bjarni: yes, true - hopefully it will not be our case
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08:53:03  <Bjarni> something tells me, that I will not get it to compile here :(
08:53:35  <Bjarni> anyway, I can edit the source, make a diff and send that diff home, so I will not waste my time
08:54:01  <Bjarni> it will be interesting to code without a compiler
08:54:22  <Celestar> Bjarni: why no compiler?
08:54:31  <Celestar> I have a solaris box here ..
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08:54:59  <Bjarni> I once wrote a whole C app (5 pages or so) in a wordpad like editor because I lacked both compiler and IDE. Once I moved it to a compiler, it just worked :)
08:55:11  <Bjarni> Celestar: I get obscene errors
08:55:45  <Bjarni> cc: Warning: illegal option -dumpversion
08:55:45  <Bjarni> usage: cc [ options] files.  Use 'cc -flags' for details
08:55:45  <Bjarni> expr: syntax error
08:56:03  <Celestar> root@niagara:[/]# cc -dumpversion
08:56:03  <Celestar> 3.3.2
08:56:11  <Celestar> you have a stupid compiler ..
08:56:40  <Bjarni>  cc -dumpversion
08:56:40  <Bjarni> cc: Warning: illegal option -dumpversion
08:56:49  <Bjarni> gcc -dumpversion
08:56:49  <Bjarni> 4.0.2
08:56:55  <Celestar> then use gcc damnit ..
08:56:57  <Celestar> make CC=gcc
08:57:55  <Bjarni> that didn't work o_O
08:58:01  <Bjarni> it still used cc
08:58:04  <Celestar> what platform is that?
08:58:10  <Bjarni> editing Makefile.config didn't help either
08:58:16  <Bjarni> Sun Solaris
08:58:20  <Celestar> on ?
08:58:24  <Celestar> x86 or Ultrasparc?
08:58:34  <Bjarni> version 10
08:58:43  <Bjarni> Ultrasparc
08:59:57  <Bjarni>     *  48 UltraSPARC IIICu CPUs (1050 MHz/8 MB L2-cache)
08:59:57  <Bjarni>     * 144 GB memory
09:00:02  <valhallazzzw> :9
09:00:06  <Bjarni> that's the hardware
09:00:06  <Celestar> oh
09:00:13  <Celestar> what command is that Bjarni ?
09:00:30  <Bjarni> tech support homepage ;)
09:00:33  <Celestar> ah
09:00:59  <Celestar> root@niagara:[/]# psrinfo -pv
09:00:59  <Celestar> The physical processor has 32 virtual processors (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31)
09:01:02  <Celestar>   UltraSPARC-T1 (cpuid 0 clock 1000 MHz)
09:02:26  <Bjarni> anyway, why would it behave so odd?
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09:02:30  <Bjarni> it used to work
09:02:41  <Celestar> root@niagara:[/]# svn
09:02:41  <Celestar> svn: Command not found.
09:02:44  <Celestar> :S
09:02:50  * Fujitsu pities Bjarni.
09:02:54  <Fujitsu> I can't stand Solaris!
09:03:10  <Celestar> well, what else run on a T1 :S
09:04:20  <Bjarni> Celestar, download the nightly tarball source
09:04:52  <Bjarni> not as good as svn, but good enough
09:05:25  <Celestar> GAH
09:05:36  <Celestar> root@niagara:[/ottd]# tar -xzf OTTD-source-nightly-r5004.tar.gz
09:05:37  <Celestar> tar: z: unknown function modifier
09:06:03  <vondel> gunzip piped to tar
09:06:10  <Bjarni> weird thing happened. Somebody just showed up, opened the door, saw the nearly empty room and then he left
09:07:04  * Celestar tries to build a dedicated server on Solaris
09:07:32  <Bjarni> why a dedicated server?
09:07:36  <Bjarni> no SDL?
09:07:39  <Celestar> because I don't have SDL
09:07:47  <Celestar> holy f*ck
09:07:58  <Celestar>  13.67     13.97    13.97   166243     0.00     0.00  ViewportDoDraw
09:07:58  <Celestar>   8.54     22.70     8.73  5852670     0.00     0.00  DrawCatenaryRailway
09:08:00  <Celestar>   8.11     30.99     8.29  4162791     0.00     0.00  GfxBlitTileZoomIn
09:08:13  <Bjarni> hey, they updated SDL here. From 1.1.2 to 1.2.9
09:08:44  <Celestar> I can't build a dediserver either apparently
09:09:31  <Celestar> :o it worked
09:10:26  <Celestar> root@niagara:[/ottd/OTTD-source-nightly-r5004]# ./openttd -D
09:10:26  <Celestar> openttd: fatal: open failed: No such file or directory
09:10:28  <Celestar> or not ..
09:11:56  <Bjarni> anyay, when I get back home, I can try what I write here
09:12:25  <Bjarni> If I get it to work, I will use all my time on getting it to work and not code a thing
09:13:07  <vondel> Celestar: you'll have to compile a lot yourself
09:13:14  <vondel> in my experience on solaris
09:13:20  <Celestar> no time currently
09:13:33  <vondel> including resolving all deps yourself :(
09:13:57  <Celestar> that'S why I'm going to try to install FreeBSD on that box
09:14:18  <vondel> i'd have liked a sort of user-gentoo which installs into $home/[lib|bin|man]
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09:21:11  <Bjarni> ok, now I think I hacked the source into not making your depots transparents
09:21:36  <Bjarni> todo: check that it works, make a new setting flag to turn this on and off
09:21:55  <Bjarni> anybody feel like testing?
09:25:39  <Bjarni> great, lights went out again
09:26:09  <Bjarni> <-- if anybody feels like testing
09:26:48  <Bjarni> I don't know if it even compiles, so it's untested and might erase your computer and overload your monitor and kill your cat
09:27:00  <Bjarni> use at your own risk
09:27:25  <Bjarni> but I guess it will not kill your girlfriend
09:27:41  <Bjarni> at least not Sacro's
09:27:44  <vondel> maybe kill the relateion with your gf
09:28:13  <Bjarni> well, it's your risk, not mine
09:28:30  <Bjarni> odds are that the risk is less than this
09:28:34  <Bjarni> I changed two lines
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09:29:15  <Bjarni> either it works, it fails to compile or it fucks up some (but not all) transparent buildings
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09:29:38  <Bjarni> damn, that light will not turn on again :(
09:30:21  <Maedhros> Bjarni: it doesn't compile:
09:30:21  <Bjarni> hmm, actually I got something else to do now, so I will stop sitting here in the dark all alone
09:30:36  <Bjarni> but that means that I will have to leave you :/
09:30:59  <Bjarni> heh, then it's named something else
09:31:11  <Bjarni> I will figure that one out later
09:31:12  <Bjarni> bye
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09:46:57  <peter1138> mutter mutter grumble
09:46:59  <peter1138> stupid wireless
09:49:15  <peter1138> n%100==1 ? 0 : n%100==2 ? 1 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 2 : 3
09:49:15  <peter1138> that is ...
09:51:13  <WR-away> Brianetta's server just crahsed..maybe it had something to do with YAPF..I was tweaking my signal and track arrangements and created a train crash, and a few seconds later the server crashed too
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09:51:49  <KUDr_wrk> WR-away: yes, i am aware of one assert but need savegame to reproduce it
09:52:23  <KUDr_wrk> White_Rabbit: also on flyspray it was reported, but without savegame
09:52:40  <White_Rabbit> you can always ask Brianetta later since when the game reaches 2050 she will save it
09:52:46  <KUDr_wrk> what i had from Brianetta, it worked fine for me
09:53:07  <KUDr_wrk> you can save it too i guess
09:53:21  <KUDr_wrk> or you can have autosave
09:53:46  <peter1138> White_Rabbit: he
09:53:53  <KUDr_wrk> but what i don't understand how Brianetta can run server in debug mode
09:53:56  <White_Rabbit> oh, I always forget
09:54:03  <White_Rabbit> why the 'etta' though? ;(
09:54:21  <KUDr_wrk> send me most recent one please
09:54:24  <KUDr_wrk> dunno
09:54:28  <White_Rabbit> I can't..the server crashed, is offline, and I didn't save it :S
09:54:39  <peter1138> White_Rabbit: you'll have a network file
09:54:42  <KUDr_wrk> does he feel like woman?
09:54:58  <peter1138> save/autosave/network_client.sav
09:55:02  <KUDr_wrk> ok
09:55:06  <White_Rabbit> hm, ok
09:55:52  <White_Rabbit> I only have a network_client.tmp
09:56:35  <peter1138> yeah
09:56:40  <peter1138> that
09:57:30  <White_Rabbit> sending, kudr, please accept
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09:57:51  <KUDr_wrk> hmm, nothing
09:58:08  <KUDr_wrk> maybe worng KUDr
09:58:35  <White_Rabbit> it's KUDr_wrk
09:58:51  <White_Rabbit> I could send it to you via a forum attachment
09:59:05  <KUDr_wrk> no use flyspray if possible
09:59:25  <KUDr_wrk>
09:59:48  <White_Rabbit> oh
10:00:11  <KUDr_wrk> there is report without savegame
10:00:28  <White_Rabbit> do I have to sign up to post?
10:00:35  <KUDr_wrk> ahh
10:00:53  <KUDr_wrk> ok, so forum / development / Yapf testers
10:05:27  <White_Rabbit> wait, I have to zip it first
10:05:45  <White_Rabbit> stupid TT forums...telling me tmp isn't allowed AFTER it spends 5 minutes trying to upload it
10:08:06  <White_Rabbit>
10:10:37  <peter1138> mv foo.tmp foo.sav ;p
10:10:58  <KUDr_wrk> White_Rabbit: thanks
10:13:13  <White_Rabbit> you're welcome
10:13:31  <Celestar> junctions in non-flat areas are nasty
10:20:44  <White_Rabbit> to look at or to build?
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10:20:55  <peter1139> grhuargargargh
10:20:59  <peter1139> lame-ass wifi
10:22:07  * Prof_Frink gives peter1138.5 pie
10:23:19  <Celestar> peter1139's right about the city growth
10:24:15  <Celestar> <= it's getting a little much
10:24:46  <White_Rabbit> lol...I see that junction
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10:25:10  <peter1138> and that's only 1951
10:25:17  <roboman> hello
10:25:17  <White_Rabbit> something like townsbuildnoroads would be nice
10:25:30  <peter1138> (see, i get x-chat on, and then the wifi starts working
10:25:34  <Celestar> peter1138: yes, but started in 1920
10:29:09  *** valhallazzzw is now known as valhallasw`exam`
10:32:26  <Celestar> but peter1138, I'm normally artifically growing the tows ..
10:33:00  <hylje> :o
10:33:09  <hylje> is there any vehicles in 1920
10:33:20  <Celestar> with DBSetXL, yes
10:33:22  <Celestar> one :P
10:33:34  <peter1138> two
10:33:47  <Celestar> the second being?
10:33:48  <peter1138> a steamer and an electric loco
10:33:52  <Celestar> oh yes
10:34:12  <hylje> electric loco.. in 1920 ?
10:34:17  <Celestar> yes
10:34:20  <White_Rabbit> it's the DBset
10:34:24  <hylje> what the fuck
10:34:26  <Celestar> first electric loco in germany was in 1900
10:34:35  <Celestar> or 1899
10:34:47  <hylje> where did they get the electrisity for that
10:34:53  <Celestar> power plants?
10:35:07  <hylje> :o
10:35:58  <Celestar> <= built 1913
10:36:07  <White_Rabbit> hehe, the US Set has 5 starting engines in 1920, depending on climate
10:36:31  <peter1138> ukrs has a few, but no leccy locos until the 60s
10:36:36  <peter1138> (iirc)
10:37:19  <Celestar> <= that's the best :)
10:38:45  <White_Rabbit> the UKRS also has 5 starting engines..but you would expect to have so many considering its already long history of steam
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10:43:21  <Celestar> food time
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10:43:36  <White_Rabbit> were the EMD Type 5s and Class 67s by the same EMD that made the F and E units?
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10:55:20  <Celestar> I'm bribing too much :P
10:56:40  <White_Rabbit> you should post some of your screenshots in the screenshot thread
10:56:53  <vondel> Celestar: selective investment, you mean ;)
10:57:08  <White_Rabbit> your euphemisms are killing me
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11:04:58  <Celestar> vondel: (=
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11:05:15  <Celestar> screenshot thread?
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11:05:46  <White_Rabbit> yes, the OTTD screenshot thread
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11:31:31  * roboman is tired
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11:33:17  <roboman> GNIGHT
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11:33:57  <peter1139> hmm
11:34:04  * robobed yawns
11:34:09  <peter1139> where should i put my widechar type?
11:35:13  <White_Rabbit> bye
11:36:01  * peter1139 stashes it in stdafx.h for now
11:36:50  <Celestar> peter1138: ^^
11:37:45  <CIA-3> miham * r5007 /trunk/lang/ (german.txt hungarian.txt unfinished/ukrainian.txt):
11:37:45  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-05-29 13:37:28
11:37:45  <CIA-3> german - 3 fixed by Neonox (3)
11:37:45  <CIA-3> hungarian - 3 fixed by miham (3)
11:37:45  <CIA-3> ukrainian - 3 fixed by znikoz (3)
11:39:49  <peter1139> Celestar, I'd put it in openttd.h, but not everything includes that...
11:40:12  <Celestar> not everything needs wchar, right?
11:40:37  <peter1139> no
11:40:39  <peter1139> hmm
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11:40:45  <Celestar> ok I have a 1024x1024 map of which I have used 200x350 tiles
11:40:51  <Celestar> and I'm running with 150 trains and 200 RVs
11:41:06  <White_Rabbit> it's like Tokyo..
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11:41:34  <hylje> :o
11:41:35  * peter1139 puts it in string.h
11:41:35  <peter1139> anything that uses it uses stuff in there...
11:41:35  <peter1139> duh obvious
11:41:38  <Celestar> White_Rabbit: what is? ;)
11:44:08  <White_Rabbit> hey, you still haven't beaten Rob..he's got thousands of vehicles in a 256x256 map (TTDP)
11:44:18  <Celestar> well, not yet
11:44:22  <Celestar> but it's only 1952
11:44:42  <White_Rabbit> true..he played till 5555 :s
11:44:57  <hylje> :o
11:45:11  <hylje> how thousands of vehicles can fit in a 256x256
11:45:54  <Celestar> and the only problem I have is that I only have one mouse :S
11:46:41  <Noldo> hylje: how many busses fit into one tile?
11:46:48  <hylje> four
11:46:51  <White_Rabbit> I don't just have to spend a lot of time (e.g. 5000 years) developing your network
11:47:06  <White_Rabbit> 256*256=65536, so there is space
11:47:08  <Celestar> White_Rabbit: trains or RVs?
11:47:22  <White_Rabbit> trains
11:47:24  <Celestar> I'm amazed that TTDP doesn't kill your CPU with 1000 vehicles.
11:47:43  <White_Rabbit> um, no, it just hurts it a lot..I tried to run it once
11:47:48  <White_Rabbit> I mean run his savegame
11:47:57  <Celestar> then again, I have close to 400 vehicles and run on 800MHz
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11:49:28  <Celestar> I love it
11:49:35  <Celestar> the weekend is over and I have 270 unread mails
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11:50:56  <Prof_Frink> The weekend isn't over yet
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11:54:09  <Celestar> 121 stations
11:54:15  <Celestar> how many does TTPD support? ;)
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11:54:32  <peter1139> 250
11:54:40  <Celestar> sucks doesn't it? :P
11:54:53  <White_Rabbit> is that 250 max, or 250 per player?
11:55:00  <peter1139> i don't know, i never reach that many
11:55:02  <peter1139> max
11:55:10  <White_Rabbit> because every player is limited to 255 vehicles, but the max can be much more
11:55:31  <Celestar> every player is limited to 255 vehicles?
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11:55:31  <Celestar> how can he have 1000 then?
11:55:43  <White_Rabbit> because he buys out the AI's company many, many times, and get their vehicles
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11:56:07  <White_Rabbit> he can no longer buy new ones though
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12:15:37  <MeusH> hi
12:19:25  <White_Rabbit> hey
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12:27:38  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: you there?
12:27:47  <Sacro> afternoon all
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12:43:46  <Celestar> hoi Darkvater
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13:04:07  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5008 /branch/utf8/ (Makefile strgen/strgen.c table/control_codes.h): [utf8] Add an enum list for our string control codes and make strgen use them
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13:10:17  <brygge_2> Celestar: when do you plan to merge the bridge branch into the trunk?
13:10:53  <Sacro> now :D
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13:15:10  <WR-away> there was a rumour that the bridges were supposed to be merged 24 hours ago ;( *pokes Sacro*
13:17:17  <brygge_2> WR-avay: yeah i have heard that
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13:20:11  <Celestar> brygge_2: possibly tomorrow
13:21:16  <brygge_2> Celestar: cool!!
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13:21:50  <Belugas> Hello all
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13:31:24  <KUDr_wrk> [14:25:27] <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: you there? <-- and you?
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13:32:03  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: so, signal development will happen in branch/yapf/ ?
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13:32:24  <KUDr_wrk> i don't know
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13:32:29  <KUDr_wrk> it can
13:32:31  <Celestar> I'd suggest it
13:32:38  <KUDr_wrk> or /signals/
13:32:49  <KUDr_wrk> depends on you
13:32:50  <Celestar> well we could rename yapf to signals
13:32:57  <KUDr_wrk> so do that
13:33:08  <KUDr_wrk> feel free
13:33:31  <KUDr_wrk> ohhh, another meeting, sorry bbl
13:33:38  <Celestar> what you prefer, I think yapf/ would be easier
13:33:44  <Celestar> if we wanna extract old revisions
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13:41:29  <Celestar> I like the food wagons in DBsetXL
13:41:47  <MeusH> details?
13:41:53  <MeusH> you mean their look?
13:41:57  <Celestar> yeah
13:42:10  <Celestar> typical 3+1+5 layout
13:42:27  <peter1138> hmm?
13:42:53  <Celestar> peter1138: when you build 8 or more main line wagons, the 4th becomes a restaurant ;)
13:43:00  <peter1138> ah, yeah
13:43:28  <Celestar> nice detail
13:44:28  <MeusH> oh, the restaurant :)
13:44:38  <MeusH> I was wondering how did you put food wagons in temperate
13:45:05  <MeusH> that's really nice, indeed. Just like pantos, but pantographs are bit too small
13:45:07  <hylje> :o
13:45:08  <peter1138> restaurant :)
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13:48:51  <Celestar> hehe
13:48:55  <Celestar> Total Cargo: 1064 passengers
13:49:45  <hylje> :o
13:49:49  <hylje> how long
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13:50:09  <Celestar> 10 tiles
13:51:30  <hylje> that makes for 50 or so passengers per wagon
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13:55:04  <Celestar> 56
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13:55:50  <Celestar> it looks nice to have that long trains :)
13:56:12  <Celestar> even tho 20 units is a bit on the long side
13:56:21  <Celestar> but 12 or 16 unit trains are rather realistic
13:57:42  * Prof_Frink hands Celestar a 9-car Meridian
13:57:54  <Celestar> a what?
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13:59:05  <Prof_Frink> A nice train. Especially as Midland Mainline made a mistake and got too many 1st calss carriages
13:59:14  <Prof_Frink> Declassified 1st :D
13:59:15  <Celestar> ah
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14:05:03  <MeusH> hmm a 40 units multi cargo train is amazing
14:05:07  <Celestar> lacking platform capacity kind of sucks
14:05:16  * MeusH agrees
14:05:19  <Celestar> I think 60 units is the maximum in Germany
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14:08:35  <Celestar> something like that
14:08:47  <Celestar> there was a maximum-120-axle rule, but I'm not sure whether it exists
14:10:01  <vondel> i'd rather expect a max length rule: length of a block
14:10:35  <Celestar> er
14:10:47  <Celestar> length of block is not constant
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14:18:47  <KUDr_wrk> [15:31:27] <Celestar> what you prefer, I think yapf/ would be easier
14:18:47  <KUDr_wrk> [15:31:33] <Celestar> if we wanna extract old revisions
14:18:49  <KUDr_wrk> yes
14:20:59  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk:
14:21:03  <Celestar> openttd: yapf/follow_track.hpp:46: bool CFollowTrackT<Ttr_type_, T90deg_turns_allowed_>::Follow(TileIndex, Trackdir) [with TransportTypes Ttr_type_ = TRANSPORT_ROAD, bool T90deg_turns_allowed_ = true]: Assertion `(GetTileTrackStatus(m_old_tile, TT()) & TrackdirToTrackdirBits(m_old_td)) != 0' failed.
14:21:12  <Celestar> trying to reproduce
14:21:34  <KUDr_wrk> would be good
14:21:49  <KUDr_wrk> i was not able to repro it yet
14:22:15  <KUDr_wrk> i was not able to repro it yet
14:22:34  <Celestar> I might be
14:22:48  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5009 /branch/utf8/strgen/strgen.c: [utf8] Remove byte cast that prevented control codes working
14:22:56  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: got it
14:23:12  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk:
14:23:12  <KUDr_wrk> really?
14:23:37  <MeusH> cya
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14:24:01  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: load savegame, build a TRACK_RIGHT in 0xCAD6E
14:24:19  <KUDr_wrk> will try... wait
14:24:46  <KUDr_wrk> ohhh, what savegame revision? bridges?
14:24:51  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: yes
14:24:53  <Celestar> sorry
14:25:30  <KUDr_wrk> i must checkout and prepare - some custom grfs too?
14:25:38  <Celestar> same as yesterday
14:25:39  <Celestar> (same game)
14:25:47  <KUDr_wrk> i don't remember
14:25:58  <KUDr_wrk> it was at home
14:26:12  <Celestar> ok
14:26:30  <Celestar> [newgrf]
14:26:30  <Celestar> pb_viaduct.grf
14:26:30  <Celestar> dbsetxlw.grf
14:26:30  <Celestar> newstatsw.grf
14:26:49  <Celestar> all files are in
14:27:42  <Celestar> peter1138: we ought to increase the sprite memory or make it dynamic
14:29:03  <Celestar> #define SPRITE_CACHE_SIZE 1024*1024
14:29:05  <Celestar> :S
14:32:12  <Celestar> very elegant
14:32:19  <Celestar> espeically since it is malloced lated :S
14:32:23  <Celestar> later*
14:32:37  <gradator> no problem with allocate on write :)
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14:39:26  <peter1138> heh
14:39:52  <peter1138> what's the problem with it?
14:40:07  <peter1138> i've not noticed any odd things...
14:40:16  <Celestar> no
14:40:18  <Celestar> only tons of output
14:40:25  <Celestar> "dbg: Out of sprite mem"
14:40:30  <peter1138> hmm
14:40:37  <KUDr_wrk> Celestar! I got it! Many thanx
14:40:47  <peter1138> never seen that
14:41:40  <Celestar> load the savegame in question
14:41:43  <Celestar> (see above)
14:41:56  <Celestar> zoom fully out and jerk it around
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14:44:06  <Magus_X> yo
14:45:06  <KUDr_wrk> Celestar: interesting bug: truck trying to plan path through railway
14:46:37  <Magus_X> LOL
14:46:39  <Magus_X> really?
14:46:51  <[Shaman]> lol
14:46:52  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: that's not optimal
14:46:57  <Magus_X> lol
14:47:11  <KUDr_wrk> yes, you are probably right
14:47:29  <KUDr_wrk> should train better our truck drivers
14:47:44  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5010 /branch/utf8/ (string.c string.h): [utf8] Add UTF-8 encoding/decoding routines
14:49:30  <KUDr_wrk> hehe i have it
14:49:47  <KUDr_wrk> performance optimization
14:50:01  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5011 /branch/utf8/ (gfx.c strings.c strings.h):
14:50:01  <CIA-3> [utf8] Make the string formatter and drawing code use the new control
14:50:01  <CIA-3> code list, and add UTF-8 parsing
14:52:28  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: great :)
14:52:40  <KUDr_wrk> commit soon
14:53:30  <Celestar> <= is it this?
14:54:33  <Celestar> Details: after opening a save-game openttd crashed after about 15 seconds.
14:54:38  <Celestar> Comment by KUDr (KUDr) - Monday, 29 May 2006, 12:37AM   - Edit  -  Delete
14:54:39  <Celestar> Where is that savegame?
14:54:42  <Celestar> hr hr :>
14:55:05  <KUDr_wrk> yes
14:55:42  <Celestar> close that report will you?
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14:58:21  <KUDr_wrk> yes i will
14:58:27  <Sacro> grrr. GNOME broke :(
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15:01:44  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5012 /branch/utf8/news_gui.c: [utf8] The news gui contains some string parsing so make it understand UTF-8 sequences
15:02:40  <Sacro> betty_brash: utf8 branch eh
15:02:49  <Sacro> buh :| whats irssi doing now
15:04:44  <CIA-3> KUDr * r5013 /trunk/yapf/follow_track.hpp:
15:04:44  <CIA-3> -Fix: [YAPF] RVs trying to plan route through railway.
15:04:44  <CIA-3> Should fix assert("(GetTileTrackStatus(m_old_tile, TT()) & TrackdirToTrackdirBits(m_old_td)) != 0")
15:04:44  <CIA-3> Thanks Celestar for the reproducible case.
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15:08:36  <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: close the bug report?
15:09:03  <KUDr_wrk> yes, i will, or you can if you want. Now writing to forum
15:09:14  <Sacro> 2/exit
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15:19:00  <KUDr_wrk> Celestar: done - thanks again - was going to became headache
15:19:02  <Xeryus|sleeping> hi all
15:19:32  <KUDr_wrk> Xeryus & sleepeng: hi to both
15:20:02  <Xeryus|sleeping> hehe
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15:20:21  <KUDr_wrk> ah, good morning
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15:21:14  <Sacro> mornnig
15:21:56  <XeryusTC> well, actually its past 5o'clock
15:22:06  <XeryusTC> hadn't much time to change my status this morning :(
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16:47:25  <ems> hi
16:47:43  <ems> how would I destory a forest?
16:52:25  <valhallasw> not
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16:52:37  <valhallasw> or use extra-super-dynamite
16:53:11  <Vornicus> a forest industry?  You don't
16:53:36  <Vornicus> well, you could use the bulldozer cheat, but that's exactly that - a cheat
16:54:27  <Belugas> why destroying?  In the way? get under :)
16:54:36  <valhallasw> get around ;)
16:54:52  <Vornicus> you can also tunnel under it, or build around it.
16:55:02  <valhallasw> tunneling is bad
16:55:07  <valhallasw> no signals etc
16:55:08  <Vornicus> In the bridge branch you /may/ but I'm not sure build over it.
16:55:21  <Vornicus> meh - it's six squares.  You'll live.
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17:00:42  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5014 /branch/utf8/currency.c: [utf8] Switch currencies from latin-15 to utf-8
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17:10:14  <vlad236> servers
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17:13:07  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5015 /branch/utf8/ (namegen.c table/namegen.h): [utf8] Modify the Czech town name generator's string modifier to allow multibyte characters
17:13:40  <peter1138> (bit of a mouthful)
17:15:21  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5016 /branch/utf8/table/namegen.h: [utf8] Switch the town name generator tables from latin-15 to utf-8
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17:33:08  <MiHaMiX> hmm
17:33:18  <White_Rabbit> is anything being worked on allowing an unrestricted number of airports outside the local authority's area of..authority?
17:33:38  <White_Rabbit> it is odd that you can't place more than two airports 500 tiles away from the only city on the map :s
17:33:42  <CIA-3> miham * r5017 /trunk/lang/ (dutch.txt italian.txt turkish.txt):
17:33:42  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-05-29 19:33:27
17:33:42  <CIA-3> dutch - 3 fixed by webfreakz (3)
17:33:42  <CIA-3> italian - 3 fixed by sidew (3)
17:33:42  <CIA-3> turkish - 4 fixed by jnmbk (4)
17:34:15  <White_Rabbit> well, anyway, anyone want a multiplayer game on r5004?
17:34:33  <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 93% - 4941 bad strings out of 73164 strings
17:35:17  <MiHaMiX> Latvian and american translators required!
17:36:13  <Prof_Frink> Can't we just tell the yanks to speak proper english?
17:36:20  <MiHaMiX> lol :D
17:36:51  <MiHaMiX> Prof_Frink: as time goes by the difference between english and american will grow
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17:37:01  <MiHaMiX> TrueLight: hi
17:37:34  <TrueLight> Hi
17:37:42  <TrueLight> almost total internet outage today, all over the country
17:37:44  <TrueLight> really annoying
17:37:53  <TrueLight> I can reach 4 different types of internet connections, all down :s
17:38:09  <XeryusTC> TrueLight: my internet is still working :P
17:38:16  <White_Rabbit> whoa, OTTD needs an 'American' translation?
17:38:41  <XeryusTC> because those guys think they're superior while they're not :P
17:38:47  <TrueLight> XeryusTC: most likely you own cable, because all big ADSL backbones were out.. depending on where you were btw
17:39:17  <XeryusTC> yes, i do have cable so i dont notice anything about adsl malfunctions
17:39:25  <TrueLight> And here SurfNet is still doing stupid... I can only reach part of the internet :s
17:39:32  <White_Rabbit> OTTD doesn't *really* need one, does it? :S anyway, I could translate
17:39:38  <XeryusTC> but theat would mean that something big @ kpn has gone wrong probably
17:39:38  <White_Rabbit> there's nothing to it..just randomly remove 'u's
17:39:39  <TrueLight> and every day, I can reach an otherpart of the internet :p
17:39:49  <TrueLight> XeryusTC: KPN isn't the only one, but okay ;)
17:39:55  <peter1138> the internet
17:40:03  <XeryusTC> TrueLight: maybe the root companies are doing weird stuff
17:40:04  <peter1138> it'll survive a nuclear war
17:40:17  <XeryusTC> TrueLight: most companies still use kpn's network for adsl
17:40:19  <peter1138> snigger
17:40:34  <White_Rabbit> ah, but can it survive a Dr. Strangelove-style Soviet armageddon device? ;)
17:40:36  <TrueLight> XeryusTC: as I said, the 3 big backbones for ADSL (KPN, BabyXL and BBNed) had problems
17:40:37  <MiHaMiX> White_Rabbit: if you're serious, please drop me an email to mihamix (at) openttd (dot) org
17:40:41  <TrueLight> so yeah, most likely something central
17:40:47  <XeryusTC> although there are comming more companies that have their own
17:40:53  <peter1138> White_Rabbit: it's *got* one
17:41:06  <TrueLight> but okay, bypassing some problems with SSH tunnels
17:41:09  <TrueLight> you have to love them :)
17:41:12  <White_Rabbit> hm, why can't I tell you that I can translate it now, Xeruys?
17:41:16  <White_Rabbit> Xeryus*
17:41:37  <Rubidium> TrueLight: the whole surfnet backbone was down (power failure in Amsterdam)
17:41:48  <TrueLight> Rubidium: SurfNet is doing stupid for the past 2 days
17:41:52  <MiHaMiX> White_Rabbit: <kidding>i'd like to receive emails :D</kidding>
17:42:03  <XeryusTC> White_Rabbit: huh?
17:42:08  <White_Rabbit> oops, I talked to the wrong person
17:42:10  <White_Rabbit> I meant MiHaMiX
17:43:30  <TrueLight> bah, I can't reach :'( Bad day...
17:43:44  <XeryusTC> TrueLight: there must be a big problem if 3 networks go offline
17:43:58  <TrueLight> XeryusTC: nah, small problems
17:43:59  <TrueLight> big effects
17:43:59  <MiHaMiX> White_Rabbit: ok.. let's discuss the details in PM, if that's more convenient to you
17:44:11  <TrueLight> like if SurfNet crashes, all universities go without Internet ;)
17:44:51  * XeryusTC gives them dial up >:)
17:46:28  <TrueLight> Rubidium: one thing I don't get about Amsterdam: one powerfailure, and all big Internet stuff shuts down... why aren't there generators :(
17:46:52  <TrueLight> (btw, again a power failure in amsterdam? /me puts mark against list.. that makes 5 in 2 years....)
17:46:53  <Rubidium> because they are morons
17:47:21  <TrueLight> true
17:47:38  <TrueLight> Ook weet Nuon nog niet wat de oorzaak van de stroomstoring is. <- clearly morons
17:47:46  <XeryusTC> rofl
17:47:51  * XeryusTC remembers campzone
17:48:15  <XeryusTC> midnight, power shutdown, after 45 minutes we have power again, 4 o'clock in the middle of the night, another power failure
17:48:43  <XeryusTC> the problem was that there was some cable not connected probably so it was shaken loose by the fibrations of the generator 8)7
17:48:47  <TrueLight> someone forgot to pay the bill ;)
17:49:07  <XeryusTC> they needed a mechanic to find that out :s
17:49:14  <glx> here a host service had power failure for 2 days
17:49:29  <TrueLight> glx: that you can't call failur
17:49:38  <TrueLight> that is just complete lack of anythinggood ;)
17:49:56  <glx> big in chain reaction
17:50:01  <White_Rabbit> argh..freenode is confusing
17:50:08  <White_Rabbit> what made you choose this over Qnet? ;p
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17:50:27  <TrueLight> White_Rabbit: IRC is almost the same on every network :p
17:50:27  <TrueLight> you type here
17:50:27  <MiHaMiX> White_Rabbit: register your nickname at nickserv
17:50:27  <TrueLight> you see the message here
17:50:29  <TrueLight> and we are all happy :)
17:50:32  <XeryusTC> heh, it was pretty funny the first 5 sec, we were at the noise field so everyone had at least 200 watts on audio equipment, so there was a total silence for a few seconds and then people started cursing :P
17:50:50  <Prof_Frink> TrueLight: you don't type there, you type here
17:50:51  <MiHaMiX> TrueLight: I assume White_Rabbit tried to send me a PM :-)
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17:52:00  <WhiteRabbit> oh great...
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17:53:14  <XeryusTC> gah stupid mmorpg, 18th century setting and you can't choose the dutch :/
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17:54:10  <XeryusTC> w00t
17:54:19  <XeryusTC> i'm seeing an invisible purple elephant :)
17:54:37  * Purple_Elephant sits on XeryusTC
17:54:42  <glx> lol
17:54:44  <XeryusTC> :(
17:58:35  <Purple_Elephant> I see that the English language is represented by the English know, that flag is the only one on the translator site that doesn't even represent a country..except maybe Galician
17:59:31  <glx> Purple_Elephant: you'd prefer Union Jack?
17:59:35  <XeryusTC> you mean the union jack?
17:59:55  <peter1138> what?
17:59:59  <peter1138> that is the english flag...
18:00:26  <peter1138> in what way doesn't it represent a country?
18:00:31  <XeryusTC> oh that flag
18:00:53  <Purple_Elephant> England is no longer a country, is it? it's part of the UK
18:01:13  <ems> <ems> hi
18:01:13  <ems> <ems> how would I destory a forest?
18:01:13  <ems> <valhallasw> not
18:01:13  <ems> * |Jeroen| ( has joined #openttd
18:01:13  <ems> <valhallasw> or use extra-super-dynamite
18:01:14  <ems> <Vornicus> a forest industry?  You don't
18:01:16  <ems> <Vornicus> well, you could use the bulldozer cheat, but that's exactly that - a cheat
18:01:18  <ems> <Belugas> why destroying?  In the way? get under :)
18:01:20  <ems> <valhallasw> get around ;)
18:01:26  <ems> <Vornicus> you can also tunnel under it, or build around it.
18:01:28  <ems> <valhallasw> tunneling is bad
18:01:30  <ems> <valhallasw> no signals etc
18:01:32  <ems> <Vornicus> In the bridge branch you /may/ but I'm not sure build over it.
18:01:34  <ems> <Vornicus> meh - it's six squares.  You'll live.
18:01:36  <ems> I ended up tunneling :/
18:01:38  <glx> ems: stop that NOW
18:01:40  <XeryusTC> ems: why are you pasting that?
18:01:52  <ems> how nice
18:01:58  <peter1138> Purple_Elephant: er, no
18:02:31  <glx> England is a country, like Scotland and Ireland
18:02:32  <peter1138> but not Wales
18:02:34  <peter1138> Wales doesn't exist
18:02:40  <ems> I can't build a plane at my airports
18:02:44  <ems> *planes
18:02:49  <ems> both are international
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18:02:56  <Prof_Frink> It's a conspiracy created by Born_Acorn
18:03:07  <ems> year 1994
18:03:11  <ems> almost 1995
18:03:25  <vlad236> one question: how do i change the map size on a Linux dedicated server ?
18:03:30  <glx> ems: did you click on the hangar ?
18:03:37  <hylje> vlad236: load a custom save
18:03:38  <ems> yes
18:03:49  <peter1138> vlad236: map_x / map_y in the config
18:03:53  <ems> the build airplane button is greyed
18:04:05  <vlad236> k
18:04:13  <vlad236> i'll try
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18:06:23  <ems> okay seems to be working
18:06:39  <ems> the button became clickable in 1996
18:06:40  <vlad236> map_x /map_y doesn't work
18:06:41  <ems> the button became clickable in 1995
18:06:54  <Purple_Elephant> I understand now..I assumed it wouldn't be one if it wasn't independent, but if we are separating British and American English, then wouldn't British English belong to Britain? according to Wikipedia, England doesn't even have an official language
18:06:55  <ems> anyone know why I had to wait a year after building them?
18:08:01  <vlad236> how do i change the map size on a Linux dedicated server ? other then map_x/map_y whitch doesn't work
18:08:12  <XeryusTC> vlad236: rcon
18:09:10  <vlad236> what is the command for rcon ?
18:09:36  <XeryusTC> wiki
18:10:06  <glx> rcon password should have been defined in openttd.cfg
18:10:15  <glx> otherwise it's impossible to rcon
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18:15:04  <vlad236> rcon works fine but how to change the map size ?
18:15:09  <vlad236> :D
18:15:28  <peter1138> map_x and map_y
18:15:37  <peter1138> is the only way
18:15:45  <MiHaMiX> [[20:07]] <vlad236> map_x /map_y doesn't work
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18:17:06  <vlad236> if I change the map_x/map_y value from 8/8 the server won't start
18:19:27  <gradator> too high value ?
18:20:11  <vlad236> no
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18:20:48  <vlad236> i created a conf file from windows from a 2048x2048 map and the values are set to 11/11
18:20:50  <peter1138> what did you set them to?
18:20:59  <vlad236> 16/16
18:21:15  <peter1138> 16 isn't valid
18:21:21  <peter1138> 11 is the max
18:21:45  <vlad236> :D
18:22:10  <vlad236> didn't know that
18:22:34  <vlad236> there should be a complete linux page about the game
18:24:27  <peter1138> this is not linux related :P
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18:24:50  <ems> linux sucks
18:25:03  <MiHaMiX> ems: may I ask, why?
18:25:24  <ems> MiHaMiX: 10million lines of crap
18:25:28  <|Jeroen|> beceaus he is to stupid to use it i presume :-)
18:25:51  <ems> I am shocked that some of the code even runs
18:25:54  <MiHaMiX> ems: write better if you can.. otherwise, keep your mouth shut :-P
18:26:25  <ems> MiHaMiX: see Plan 9. Its got better support for certain hardware than linux.
18:26:31  <ems> readable code
18:26:38  <ems> easy to understand
18:26:40  <ems> nice ideas
18:26:48  <MiHaMiX> ems: 'certain' hardware -- that's the key.
18:27:06  <ems> e.g. bluetooth
18:27:08  <MiHaMiX> ems: on maybe <1% of all hardware?
18:27:25  <ems> linux acpi is shocking
18:27:32  <ems> it doesn't even have acpi yet
18:27:42  <|Jeroen|> euh it does
18:27:49  <ems> so that offer an advantage if the acpi is fucking up....
18:27:52  <MiHaMiX> ems:
18:27:54  <ems> *acpi code
18:27:54  <|Jeroen|> and it works fine
18:27:59  <MiHaMiX>
18:28:03  <MiHaMiX> <-- nice gui
18:28:08  <ems> lol
18:28:13  <ems> 8bit
18:28:13  <|Jeroen|> no wonder the code is understandable
18:28:14  <MiHaMiX> resembles me to the old sv4 gui
18:28:21  <ems> from 89
18:28:28  <ems> historical screenshot
18:28:56  <MiHaMiX>
18:29:19  <MiHaMiX> is it historical too? :P
18:29:20  <ems> yes that is a bit more modern
18:29:33  <|Jeroen|> wow yeah its got a clock and everything
18:29:34  <ems> see its current load in that screenshot
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18:30:09  <ems> I have reached loads of ~4300 with it
18:30:33  <MiHaMiX> ems: i'm sorry to say, but that's gui just sucks.
18:30:49  <ems> be careful of the asic... it might come off....
18:30:57  <MiHaMiX> ems: might.
18:31:09  <MiHaMiX> ems: did you ported openttd to plan 9?
18:31:14  <ems> MiHaMiX: you haven't even tryed it...
18:31:15  <ems> no
18:31:18  <Purple_Elephant> back, MiHaMiX? ;)
18:31:45  <MiHaMiX> Purple_Elephant: yes
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18:31:54  <ems> <MiHaMiX> ems: might. << not might. defently if your hardware can't support that type of heat
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18:32:30  <MiHaMiX> ems: and as long as it looks like as on the screenshots, I won't give it a damn try :)
18:32:58  <ems> MiHaMiX: you don't know how the gui works
18:33:05  <ems> it has many very interesting ideas
18:34:24  <MiHaMiX> ems: tell me at least one, please
18:34:43  <ems> MiHaMiX: see the man pages.
18:34:49  <ems> rio is the window manager
18:35:13  <MiHaMiX> ems: does KDE is ported to plan9?
18:35:20  <ems> lol
18:35:24  <ems> sure hope not
18:35:27  <MiHaMiX> ems: i can tell you now that i don't like rio
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18:35:44  <ems> MiHaMiX: because it doesn't shine in your face?
18:36:34  <MiHaMiX> ems: no.
18:36:58  <ems> MiHaMiX: because you have no idea how to use it.
18:37:03  <MiHaMiX> ems: because it doesn't have those features which are very widespread and highly favoured nowadays
18:37:24  <MiHaMiX> ems: you're obviosly mistaken, since I prefer console rather than gui
18:37:37  <ems> lol
18:37:48  <MiHaMiX> ems: but the window manager you shown me is so old-fashioned.
18:37:53  <ems> okay you are judging way to quickly
18:38:04  <MiHaMiX> ems: you too, I think.
18:38:06  <ems> MiHaMiX: I would differ.
18:38:16  <ems> I actually have used Plan 9
18:38:28  <ems> and I find it very powerful
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18:39:06  <ems> and I know many people who prefer it over any of the Windows-like window managers
18:39:20  <MiHaMiX> ems: well, your introduction was a bit too harsh.. maybe that's why I misjudged you
18:39:37  <ems> what introduction?
18:39:44  <MiHaMiX> [[20:25]] <ems> linux sucks
18:39:46  <MiHaMiX> [[20:25]] <ems> MiHaMiX: 10million lines of crap
18:39:46  <CIA-3> KUDr * r5018 /trunk/yapf/ (9 files in 2 dirs): [YAPF] Added some comments to YAPF implementation.
18:39:51  <peter1138> "linux sucks"
18:39:58  <peter1138> is not the most persuasive argument
18:40:13  <ems> <ems> hi
18:40:24  <Purple_Elephant> MiHaMiX, have you received my PMs?
18:40:49  <MiHaMiX> Purple_Elephant: none of them. you should register your nick prior :-)
18:41:12  <MiHaMiX> [[18:47]] <ems> hi
18:41:45  <MiHaMiX> ems: between your initial 'hi' and the above 'linux sucks' there was almost 100 minutes..
18:41:57  <Purple_Elephant> argh, but I did?
18:42:22  <MiHaMiX> ems: and during this 98 minutes you've done a flood, which lowered your reputation
18:42:34  <ems> ...
18:42:40  <ems> I flooded.... right....
18:42:46  <Purple_Elephant> nevermind..I just forgot to log in
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19:05:37  <peter1138> and then he said
19:05:40  <peter1138> oh, hello bjarni
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19:11:25  <Bjarni> hi peter1138
19:11:32  <Bjarni> hi Janet
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19:17:10  <Sacro> bjarni enters, purple elephant leaves...hmmm
19:17:30  * Sacro finds that suspicious
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19:23:48  <Bjarni> I don't see any purple elephants
19:23:52  <Born_Acorn> Are you trying to suggest that our dear Bjarni is a purple elephant?
19:23:54  <Bjarni> Sacro: are you drunk?
19:24:06  <Sacro> Bjarni: me? never
19:24:09  <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, are you a purple elephant?
19:24:25  <Born_Acorn> be truthful.
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19:24:52  <Bjarni> I don't think so
19:24:55  <Sacro> perhaps they just share a pc
19:25:05  <Born_Acorn> There. Case closed.
19:25:10  <Bjarni> no
19:25:19  <Bjarni> there aren't any purple elephants here
19:25:58  <Sacro> [20:06:19]  Signoff: Purple_Elephant () <- he left
19:26:12  <Bjarni> you just made that up
19:26:19  <Bjarni> the real reason is that you sobered up
19:26:20  <Sacro> no i didnt
19:26:42  <Sacro> scroll up and you will see its true
19:27:01  <Bjarni> I can't scroll back to 20:06
19:27:06  <Bjarni> I was not even online at that time
19:27:09  <Sacro> hmm, even stranger, the purple elephant went as born acorn came in...
19:27:28  <Sacro> now that makes sense
19:27:28  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: you sobered up?
19:27:41  <glx> Sacro: Purple_Elephant is White_Rabbit
19:27:54  <Sacro> glx: err, now that doesnt really help
19:27:56  <Bjarni> White_Rabbit is drunk?
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19:28:21  <Sacro> tsk tsk tsk /me goes after food
19:28:23  <Born_Acorn> Maybe I did.
19:28:36  <Born_Acorn> Maybe I just got drunk, and became completely normal as a result.
19:28:44  <Brianetta> I see my nightly crashed
19:29:03  <Bjarni> 	<Born_Acorn>	Maybe I just got drunk, and became completely normal as a result. <-- now that's just scary
19:29:09  <Bjarni> Brianetta: :(
19:29:14  <Brianetta> YAPF again
19:29:28  <Brianetta> Well, it's supposed to be updated, according to the changelog
19:29:33  <Brianetta> so it might not happen after I update it
19:29:37  <KUDr> crash?
19:30:01  <Brianetta> openttd: yapf/follow_track.hpp:46: bool CFollowTrackT<Ttr_type_, T90deg_turns_allowed_>::Follow(unsigned int, Trackdirs) [with TransportTypes Ttr_type_ = TRANSPORT_ROAD, bool T90deg_turns_allowed_ = true]: Assertion `(GetTileTrackStatus(m_old_tile, TT()) & TrackdirToTrackdirBits(m_old_td)) != 0' failed.
19:30:04  <Brianetta> The usual
19:30:16  <KUDr> i fixed it today
19:30:34  <KUDr> Brianetta: please, i need reproducible case
19:30:37  <Brianetta> That was last night's
19:30:43  <KUDr> aha
19:30:50  <KUDr> not today's?
19:30:51  <Brianetta> KUDr: I can't provide you with a reproducable case
19:30:56  <Brianetta> Not today's
19:31:00  <KUDr> aha
19:31:01  <KUDr> then ok
19:31:06  <KUDr> update it
19:31:12  <KUDr> to today's
19:31:16  <Scia> disable asserts...
19:31:30  <Brianetta> I have a saved game every time somebody joins, and after everybody leaves
19:31:40  <Brianetta> I don't have autosaves because it gets in the way
19:31:44  <glx> Scia: asserts are here for a good reason
19:32:00  <Scia> yes, but not for servers :p
19:32:04  <KUDr> Brianetta: can u update it to today's nigntly?
19:32:11  <Brianetta> KUDr: Compiling now
19:32:18  <KUDr> it should be fixed by r5013
19:32:21  <Scia> but you are right
19:32:25  <Brianetta> KUDr: If you want, knock up some trace code and I'll patch it in
19:32:40  <KUDr> if it will happen again, then yes
19:32:55  <Brianetta> Right compiled, starting game
19:33:23  <Brianetta> Ten years left (:
19:33:39  <Bjarni> Scia: asserts are used when say you need a pointer and then you assert if it is a NULL pointer. If the assert is disabled, then the app just dies and you don't know what happened
19:33:54  <Bjarni> so basically they are where to tell what went wrong
19:34:29  <Brianetta> Some asserts are harmless, but we can't know that and decide to disable them blindly
19:34:38  <Scia> ok, good to know :)
19:34:39  * Scia hides
19:35:12  <Brianetta> It's good to assert that a is not 0 before dividing by a
19:35:21  <KUDr> <Brianetta> Some asserts are harmless, but we can't know that and decide to disable them blindly <-- yes. This one is harmless but can show me where i have holes. So it is very helpfull
19:35:29  <Brianetta> By the time it's production code, you should be able to guarantee that a is non-zero
19:37:52  <Bjarni> KUDr: I triggered a harmless assert as well, but I used it to figure out where I had a bug. Now it works each time
19:38:08  <Bjarni> that would have been hard to figure out if I didn't add that assert
19:38:24  <KUDr> the same here
19:38:38  <KUDr> so i am happy taht i added them on proper places
19:42:33  <peter1138>
19:42:34  <peter1138> o_O
19:43:23  <Bjarni> that proofs it
19:43:32  <Bjarni> you can find everything on the internet
19:43:37  <peter1138> proves
19:44:07  <Bjarni> yeah
19:44:15  <Bjarni> and that proves another thing
19:44:23  <Brianetta> There's only one page on there! (:
19:44:26  <Bjarni> don't write when you watch TV
19:45:02  <Brianetta>
19:45:44  <hylje> wickerpedia:>
19:46:25  <Bjarni> Elton John is getting a divorce.
19:46:25  <Bjarni> He found out his husband was having sex behind his back.
19:46:26  <Bjarni> hehe
19:46:37  <Tefad> . . .
19:46:45  <hylje> what the fuck
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19:48:47  <XeryusTC> Bjarni: roflmaao
19:48:47  <hylje>
19:49:48  <XeryusTC> roflmaao again :)
19:50:02  <Noldo> rolfmaotsetung
19:51:34  <hylje> Rofl Mao Teh Tung
19:52:27  <Sacro> peter1138: you seen the wookiepedia?
19:52:43  <Sacro> KUDr: someone posted a Brianetta's Nightly save in the YAPF testing topic
19:52:51  <hylje> wookieepedia has crazy articles
19:53:04  <hylje> liek 10k lines for palpatine
19:53:28  <hylje> and he hardly even shows up in the trilogies
19:53:30  <Brianetta> Sacro: 'twasn't useful
19:53:32  <KUDr> Sacro: it was old - from yesterday
19:53:32  <XeryusTC> wookie, like that heary guy from star wars?
19:53:37  <peter1138> no
19:53:41  <Sacro> Brianetta: KUDr: ah right, sorry
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19:53:50  <hylje> XeryusTC: yes
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19:57:02  <KUDr> huh Brianetta's server uses left side driving...
19:57:24  <Brianetta> Naturally - it's a UKRS server
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20:00:19  <XeryusTC> The pizza delivery man hands the Buddhist the pizza, who pays with a 20. The delivery man starts to walk away, when the Buddhist stops him and asks for his change.
20:00:19  <XeryusTC> The delivery man replies "Change comes from within."
20:00:21  <KUDr> Naturally? it is so strange..
20:00:22  <XeryusTC> rofl _O-
20:00:48  <Brianetta> KUDr: In the UK, we drive on the left... so in the UKRS...
20:01:11  <KUDr> i know
20:01:16  <Brianetta> (:
20:01:16  <Prof_Frink> KUDr: We're right, you're wrong. Get over it.
20:01:23  <KUDr> this is why i used only taxi there
20:02:03  <Brianetta> Could have used the bus
20:02:06  <Brianetta> or a train
20:02:47  <KUDr> Brianetta: i had map but didn't understand public transportation there
20:02:50  <KUDr> Manchester
20:03:28  <KUDr> in US we always borrow car
20:03:31  <Bjarni> do trains drive in the left side in GB?
20:03:33  <KUDr> it is lot better
20:03:58  <KUDr> Bjarni: sure they are so confused, that yes
20:04:06  <hylje> :x
20:04:21  <Bjarni> I thought that they were driving in the right side, so GB is like Sweden, the road traffic and the trains do not drive in the same side
20:04:52  <Brianetta> Bjarni: Yes, usually
20:05:06  <Brianetta> The trains are on the left
20:05:15  <Brianetta> as is the road traffic
20:06:26  <Bjarni> what reason is there for left side driving besides historical reasons?
20:06:43  <hylje> better defence
20:06:54  <Bjarni> ahh, tourists......
20:06:55  <Bjarni> go figure
20:07:30  <hylje> because people could use their swordhands better when the enemy was on the right
20:07:56  <Bjarni> that is part of "historical reasons"
20:07:57  <Brianetta> Also
20:08:12  <Brianetta> It's much easier to operate the ticket machine at the barrier of a car park
20:08:14  <Brianetta> with your right hand
20:08:20  <Bjarni> I would say that it's not that often that you attack oncoming traffic with swords
20:08:30  <Brianetta> and it means you can kepe your right hand on the wheel while changing gear
20:08:39  <Triffid_Hunter> lol Brianetta was about to say that
20:09:15  <glx> my right hand is rarely active when I drive
20:09:19  <Bjarni> but if you drive in the right side, then you use your right hand to change gear
20:09:36  <XeryusTC> i think i would prefer to use my right hand to change gear
20:09:36  <Bjarni> glx: got automatic transmission?
20:09:54  <hylje> automagic ftw
20:09:55  <glx> no
20:10:02  <Belugas> automatic transmission : best driving ever!
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20:10:32  <Triffid_Hunter> i would prefer to use my more nimble hand to steer the car, something much more sensitive to innacuracy than a gear stick
20:10:52  <Bjarni> <Belugas>	automatic transmission : best driving ever! <-- higher fuel comsubtion, at least if you drive like I do, but it takes more skill from the driver to use a manual transmission
20:11:01  <Belugas> Got free hand to do interesting stuff :)  phone, type,  scratch nose, drink etc. :)
20:11:12  <hylje> masturbate
20:11:21  <Belugas> fuel consumption can be high in both case. It depends of the driver
20:11:25  <Bjarni> I would hate to image why Triffid_Hunter wants to have a free hand while driving
20:11:50  <Belugas> in town, in respect drive limits.
20:12:17  <Belugas> on highways, i don't .  100km is quite ..  boring.
20:12:29  <hylje> if you drive a solid 60km/h fuel consumption will be rly low
20:12:30  <Brianetta>
20:12:32  <Belugas> 140 km is  comfortable :)
20:12:40  <glx> I never use highways
20:12:46  <peter1138> hylje: not in first gear :)
20:12:56  <glx> my car can't reach 130 km/h
20:13:07  <hylje> :<
20:13:27  <Belugas> I once drove mine to 180km
20:13:34  <Belugas> my wife was not around :D
20:13:39  <glx> :)
20:13:58  <peter1138> i was once doing 105 mph at ~ 1am
20:14:02  <Brianetta> Going to see Echo and the Bunnymen tomorrow (:
20:14:06  <Bjarni> your economical cruse speed depends on your engine and transmission and some other stuff on the car (like how it performs in a wind tunnel)
20:14:09  <peter1138> and a huge artic cut across in front of me
20:14:10  <peter1138> bastard
20:14:16  <KUDr> Belugas: i drive sometimes 200 kmh also with wife
20:14:37  <KUDr> it is fun to look at her
20:14:47  <KUDr> changing colors and so
20:14:51  <Belugas> you're brave :)
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20:14:59  <Belugas> or sadistic hahaha!
20:15:01  <peter1138> at that speed, look at the road :P
20:15:02  <hylje> swedes are crazy during the night
20:15:08  <KUDr> but she drives 170 with her car
20:15:11  <hylje> during the day they all drive exactly by the speed limits
20:15:16  <Belugas> Anyway, 200km, on Quebec's roads is suicidal :(
20:15:26  <hylje> but at night they might go around 180km/h
20:15:31  <hylje> and thats not even in highways
20:15:46  <KUDr> here it is only expensive
20:17:18  <Belugas> so, at 200 km, don't masturbate, get someone else to do it
20:18:17  <KUDr> heh
20:18:48  <KUDr> out of service already
20:19:10  <Bjarni> <Belugas>	so, at 200 km, don't masturbate, get someone else to do it <-- that depends on your vehicle
20:19:17  <Bjarni> and if you are the driver or not
20:20:19  <XeryusTC> well, matrubating in a plane @ 200km/h isn't advisable too :P
20:20:39  <Bjarni> <Belugas>	Anyway, 200km, on Quebec's roads is suicidal :( <-- ohh, that reminds me of when I went to an island and right after the ferry landing, there was a sign saying max 50 km/h on the entire island
20:20:48  <Bjarni> no road was good enough for more
20:21:02  <Bjarni> more would also be unhealthy for your car
20:21:13  <Bjarni> they had a lot of dirt roads
20:21:39  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5019 /branch/utf8/ (misc_gui.c station_gui.c): [utf8] When creating cargo acceptance strings, test for the presence of a comma instead of position within the string to determine if there is no acceptance.
20:22:04  <XeryusTC> i once was in a car that did about 160km/h on a 50km/h road
20:22:21  <peter1138> i did 85 mph in a fiat uno once
20:22:24  <peter1138> that was scary
20:22:25  <Belugas> Bjarni : what island was it?
20:22:57  <Belugas> I never drove or been in a fiat before :(
20:23:15  <Belugas> I don't think any fiat are present on the continent
20:23:20  <Belugas> same as Renault
20:23:21  <Belugas> well...
20:23:23  <glx> peter1138: try 140km/h in a citroen visa
20:23:25  <Belugas> new ones
20:23:41  <glx> flat twin (652cc)
20:24:17  <glx> citroen says max speed is 125
20:24:43  <peter1138> feh
20:25:47  <Belugas> down a hill with wind in the back
20:26:08  <glx> on flat without wind in front :)
20:26:22  * KUDr has 16 years old crap car
20:26:55  <glx> my visa is older (1987)
20:27:12  <KUDr> visa card?
20:27:19  <glx> visa car :)
20:27:30  <KUDr> hmm don't know such
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20:28:25  <Belugas> neither do i.
20:28:46  <glx>
20:29:12  <KUDr> looks like normal car
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20:29:42  <peter1138> it is
20:29:52  <glx> just a small engine
20:29:57  <KUDr> so why 125 only?
20:30:01  <KUDr> aha
20:30:02  <glx> 2CV engine
20:30:14  <glx> with electronic ignition
20:30:47  <KUDr> so it is good
20:31:03  <glx> not now (module start to fail)
20:31:11  <glx> and it's hard to find
20:31:42  <Belugas> Corrola 2003. Red.  Sport.  With CD-MP3 Vroooooom VroooooomVroooooomVroooooom
20:31:52  <Belugas> don't drink much
20:31:58  <Belugas> comfy
20:31:58  <glx> toyota
20:32:10  <Belugas> yes
20:32:21  <glx> unbreakable cars :)
20:32:41  * Sacro wants a car
20:33:21  <Belugas> That was the idea. With the birth of my son, I did not wanted to get caugh with repairs when money has better place to be put then on car repairs :D
20:33:50  <Belugas> Who knows... it migh be his first car ;)
20:34:08  <glx> possible :)
20:34:35  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5020 /branch/utf8/strings.c: [utf8] Use unicode control code values for station facility icons, instead of magic numbers
20:35:06  <hylje> magic numbers !
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20:35:13  * peter1138 has a 2000 citroën xantia
20:35:21  <peter1138> hylje: yeah, magic numbers in an enum, not every where ;)
20:35:38  <glx> xantia is good
20:35:46  * Belugas_Gone has a strong urge to get home
20:35:52  <Belugas_Gone> bye guys
20:35:56  <glx> bye Belugas_Gone
20:36:37  <Belugas_Gone> nice looking one, peter1138 :)
20:36:44  <Belugas_Gone> bye glx
20:36:45  <Belugas_Gone> gone
20:37:41  <peter1138> i wouldn't mind a DS...
20:37:49  <peter1138> expensive these days though
20:37:59  <glx> but still cool
20:38:12  <hylje> will you port ottd to wii if its homebrew-friendly ?
20:38:40  <glx> hylje: do it yourself ? :)
20:38:43  <peter1138> hylje: buy me a wii and i'll think about it
20:38:50  <hylje> :>
20:38:58  <hylje> im asking questions at this time
20:39:06  <hylje> might do something useful later on
20:40:16  <glx> btw nintendo like to use non standard things
20:40:59  <hylje> rly ?
20:41:33  <glx> or unstandardize standard things, like the disc driver on game cube
20:42:06  <glx> normal driver with something that don't allow you to put normal discs in it
20:42:30  <glx> unless you cut some plastic
20:45:40  <hylje> and it runs backwards
20:46:04  <glx> ha?
20:46:09  <glx> didn't know that
20:46:25  <hylje> now you do
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20:52:13  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5021 /branch/utf8/ (8 files in 2 dirs): [utf8] Add unicode character to glyph mapping scheme
20:55:57  <Sacro> anyone in here using PostNuke?
20:56:26  <Bjarni> no
20:56:33  <Bjarni> I saw winnuke once though
20:56:50  <Bjarni> now that was fun
20:56:56  <Bjarni> specially since it was a mac version
20:57:03  <Sacro> hmm
20:57:19  <Bjarni> so you was completely safe from it, yet you could attack other computers
20:57:22  <MiHaMiX> :DDDD
20:57:25  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: :DDDD
20:57:27  <Bjarni> I didn't do it though
20:57:41  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: you have a weird but funny sense of humour :-))
20:58:05  <Bjarni> but the fact that it was floating around on the LAN made it funny to talk to windows users
20:58:46  <Bjarni> AFAIK no serious attacks were made. Only one to see if it actually worked
20:58:55  <Bjarni> or something like that
20:59:09  <Bjarni> <MiHaMiX>	Bjarni: you have a weird but funny sense of humour :-)) <--- how do you mean "weird"?
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21:05:49  <Sacro> think i just broke gedit
21:06:17  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: someone asked for PostNuke and you tells a story about WinNuke, which is a completely unrelated not counting his similar suffix :)
21:06:39  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: I call it weird, but funny, since I'm doing the same all the time :)
21:07:40  <Bjarni> ahh
21:07:52  * Bjarni don't know PostNuke at all
21:07:58  <Bjarni> so how should I know?
21:08:08  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5022 /branch/utf8/newgrf.c: [utf8] Support loading of unicode glyphs via newgrf action 12
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21:08:29  <Bjarni> peter1138: how far away is true utf-8?
21:08:50  <glx> hea has all display stuff ready I think
21:09:08  <glx> but not all commited
21:10:38  <peter1138> mostly
21:10:44  <peter1138> i've not done any of the freetype stuff yet
21:11:00  <peter1138> but that's not a whole lot of work
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21:11:50  <Bjarni> so with your activity at work, I would say 2 or 3 days, right?
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21:21:01  <Bjarni> I take no reply as no disagrement :)
21:21:10  <Bjarni> *disagreement
21:24:54  <peter1138> heh
21:25:11  <Sacro> hmm
21:28:28  <peter1138> Sacro: that's my line
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21:29:19  <Bjarni> I guess Sacro decided to see if you get better at coding by saying that
21:29:27  <peter1138> yeah
21:29:34  <peter1138> he does it instead of me
21:29:37  <Bjarni> sounds desperate, but somehow it would not surprise me
21:29:39  <peter1138> leaving me more time to code
21:29:45  <Sacro> im having a fight with postnuke
21:29:47  <peter1138> though i doubt sacro cares much about utf8
21:29:49  <peter1138> newsounds...
21:29:50  <peter1138> 2cc...
21:29:51  <peter1138> otoh
21:30:00  <Sacro> sacro does want 2cc and newsounds
21:30:05  <Bjarni> did you commit any newsounds diff?
21:30:08  <Sacro> but utf8 wont affect him
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21:30:53  <Bjarni> Sacro: it will affect you in some way. When you go online to play, Russian players will start to beat you up and you don't even know to say their company names :p
21:31:01  <peter1138> ehehe
21:31:08  <Sacro> Bjarni: ill call my stepsister over
21:31:24  <Bjarni> you got a Russian stepsister?
21:31:27  <Born_Acorn> All stepsisters are men in disguise.
21:31:33  <Sacro> ukrainian
21:31:39  <Bjarni> oh, like that
21:31:42  <Born_Acorn> Really butch men who visit a gym every day.
21:31:57  <Bjarni> your dad left your mom and bought a new wife. One that can't say no
21:31:58  <Born_Acorn> They are all "in the council".
21:32:07  <Sacro> im pondering as to whether Born_Acorn is an intelligant bot, or a under intelligent person :)
21:32:29  <Born_Acorn> I can spell intelligent.
21:32:36  <Born_Acorn> So ther.e
21:32:45  <Born_Acorn> move the . to the right one.
21:32:52  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn knows about that men as women thing
21:33:01  <Sacro> you could just link to the wikitionary though
21:33:05  <Bjarni> I mean, (s)he acts under the name Janet
21:33:21  * Bjarni hides
21:33:28  <Born_Acorn> I am Janet.
21:33:30  <Born_Acorn> In disguise.
21:33:44  * Bjarni calls dr. Freud
21:34:06  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: why do you claim to be your own mother?
21:34:11  <Born_Acorn> As Detective Jones of the police, I have to infiltrate an evil cult where everyone is named Janet.
21:34:20  <Born_Acorn> So I am in disguise as Janet.
21:34:27  <Bjarni> what happened in your childhood, that made it better to be your mother than yourself?
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21:35:16  <Bjarni> or did it start when the girls in your class started to get boobs and you wanted some as well?
21:35:18  <Born_Acorn> I have no childhood. As a police officer, I was bred in test tube the other day.
21:36:03  <Bjarni> it happens to a lot of boys. When they see that the girls gets boobs, then they want to touch them and they all act differently to rejections
21:36:33  * Bjarni think that he found the reason here
21:36:47  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: I got a solution for you
21:36:51  <Bjarni> you need to get laid
21:37:00  <Bjarni> with a girl, that is
21:37:19  <Prof_Frink> Born_Acorn: Come on #tycoon an abuse }EuMircea{
21:37:26  <Born_Acorn> Yes boss.
21:38:13  <Bjarni> o_O
21:38:19  <Bjarni> I was not talking about abuse
21:38:33  <Bjarni> well, maybe I was, since Born_Acorn is not for the girls, but still...
21:38:55  <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Clueless TTDPatch luser
21:39:10  <Born_Acorn> (22:39:04) <Born_Acorn> }EuMircea{, you suck.
21:39:10  <Born_Acorn> (22:39:07) <Born_Acorn> End of.
21:39:10  <Born_Acorn> (22:39:12) <}EuMircea{> ?
21:39:18  <Born_Acorn> I win the round.
21:39:23  <glx> lol
21:39:36  <Bjarni> lol
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21:39:56  <Bjarni> where is #tycoon?
21:40:03  <Bjarni> some quake thing if I recall correctly
21:40:06  <Prof_Frink> Quacknet
21:40:07  <Born_Acorn> Another dimension.
21:40:16  <Born_Acorn> (Quakenet to the laymans terms)
21:40:37  <Born_Acorn> Where netsplits are common, and Counterstrike players are rampant.
21:40:43  <Born_Acorn> (do not touch them)
21:40:43  <Bjarni> the next guy to not tell me where it really is will be kicked
21:41:21  <Born_Acorn> What about not not telling you? Like #tycoon is not not on (22:39:04) <Born_Acorn> }EuMircea{, you suck.
21:41:21  <Born_Acorn> (22:39:07) <Born_Acorn> End of.
21:41:21  <Born_Acorn> (22:39:12) <}EuMircea{> ?
21:41:26  <Born_Acorn> argh.
21:41:29  <Bjarni> dammit Sacro. You didn't tell me, so now I got to kick you
21:41:30  <Bjarni> >_<
21:41:31  <Born_Acorn>
21:41:51  <Born_Acorn> All the cool people are there.
21:42:22  <Born_Acorn> Like peter 1138 and Truel ight, and sometimes Cele star and Dark vater!
21:42:34  <Born_Acorn> (spaces added to remove annoying highlights)
21:42:46  <peter1138> born acorn's there too, but he's not cool
21:42:54  <Born_Acorn> Yeah.
21:42:58  <Born_Acorn> He is a real jerk.
21:43:03  <peter1138> she's janet
21:43:17  <anboni> is there a maximum width of an openttd window?
21:43:26  <Bjarni> yes
21:43:30  <Prof_Frink> anboni: how wide's your screen?
21:43:32  <peter1138> 12"
21:43:32  <Bjarni> 2048 or something like that
21:43:38  <Bjarni> pixels, that is
21:44:14  <anboni> my screen is 1280, but i was trying to wrap openttd around the four sides of my desktop cube.. then it suddenly started giving me just black :)
21:44:18  <XeryusTC> quakenet is not for cool people, quakenet is for nerds, cool people go to real life
21:44:44  <peter1138> anboni: there's a single define you can change, if you really need to ;)
21:44:45  <Bjarni> lol, [23:41] 	<Born_Acorn> <-- I clicked on that link and IRC opened the web browser... and the browser is still working on figuring out what kind of server it is talking to
21:44:53  <peter1138> but
21:44:59  <peter1138> night night
21:45:11  <Bjarni> night peter1138
21:45:20  <anboni> peter1138: thanks, i'll check it out:)
21:45:23  <XeryusTC> rofl
21:45:28  <XeryusTC> sites with frames are cool
21:45:43  <XeryusTC> i have 2 menu frames next to each other now :)
21:46:59  <XeryusTC> and now it starts screwing around :(
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21:49:42  <Bjarni> [23:47] 	<Born_Acorn>
21:49:43  <Bjarni> [23:47] 	<Born_Acorn>	patchman!
21:49:43  <Bjarni> [23:47] 	<Born_Acorn>	wow!
21:49:43  <Bjarni> [23:47] 	<Born_Acorn>	He is just like I imagined!
21:50:51  <SpComb> 00:48:24 <+Born_Acorn>
21:50:51  <SpComb> 00:48:26 <+Born_Acorn> wow!
21:50:51  <SpComb> 00:48:33 <+Born_Acorn> Its Bjarni!
21:51:12  <Bjarni> dammit, now he said the same thing here
21:51:24  <Bjarni> haha
21:51:39  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn left to avoid being kicked for that one :DDDD
21:51:40  <XeryusTC> is that suppose to be funny or something?
21:52:03  <Bjarni> it's telling how Born_Acorn is
21:52:14  <Bjarni> and the mental level of #tycoon
21:52:20  <XeryusTC> that is not an answer to my question :P
21:53:20  <Bjarni> it's Born_Acorn
21:53:27  <Bjarni> what do you expect?
21:53:34  * XeryusTC goes into dos mode
21:53:39  <SpComb> nuts
21:53:46  <XeryusTC> is that suppose to be funny or something? (Y/N)
21:54:16  <SpComb> D
21:54:17  <Bjarni> control-alt-delete
21:54:28  <Bjarni> stupid DOS :p
21:54:37  <Bjarni> asking weird questions
21:55:14  <XeryusTC> is that suppose to be funny or something? (Y/N)
21:55:32  <XeryusTC> or i'll ask it in windows mode
21:55:33  <glx> Bjarni: press reset button is more efficient than ctrl-alt-del with dos :)
21:55:38  <Bjarni> I think XeryusTC needs a reinstall
21:55:47  <Bjarni> it started to boot in a weird way
21:55:48  <XeryusTC> is that suppose to be funny or something? [retry] [ignore] [abort] :P
21:55:53  <Bjarni> typical MS OS
21:56:21  <XeryusTC> omfg, its almost midnight already
21:56:39  <Bjarni> glx: how should I know. I went from Amiga 500 to MacOS 7.1
21:56:50  <Bjarni> I never used DOS much
21:56:57  <Bjarni> never as a primary OS
21:57:16  <glx> I use it for some old games
21:57:19  <Bjarni> which gave some problems regarding TT(D) :(
21:57:53  <Bjarni> now I use DosBox and that's actually more stable than windows of that era
21:58:23  <glx> dosbox is not a friend of my CPU
21:58:29  <Bjarni> heh
21:58:42  <Bjarni> I find it a bit hard to config at times
22:01:36  <glx> I'm sure it's easier to config dosbox than to setup sound in dos
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22:06:11  <Bjarni> I did try it in real DOS as well
22:06:15  <Bjarni> I know what you mean
22:10:43  <XeryusTC> wow, my timing is perfectly, i put off my headphone to listen to the radio and they start playing Queen - It's Some Kind Of Magic :D
22:11:11  <XeryusTC> -ly
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22:23:15  <Bjarni> the issue with setup of DosBox is the speed setup. You have to manually adjust it according to your CPU and the game in question
22:23:24  <Bjarni> sometimes it's really tricky to get to work right
22:23:48  <glx> yeah some games assume you have a 66Mhz
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22:28:29  <Bjarni> and some games assumes a different CPU type
22:28:58  <XeryusTC> :D
22:29:08  <Bjarni> and some games don't care as long as you give them enough CPU time, they will use the sleep command to stay at the correct speed
22:29:59  <Bjarni> well, in OTTD, it IS a plane station
22:30:07  <Bjarni> he played too much OTTD
22:30:18  <Bjarni> that even got on
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22:30:26  <Bjarni> too much OpenTTD syndrome
22:31:10  * XeryusTC starts a clinic to solve those kinds of problems
22:31:18  <XeryusTC> 30.000 euro for one session >:)
22:31:44  <XeryusTC> 150k for 2 weeks there :P
22:32:27  <Bjarni> great, then you need to keep up with the changes in OpenTTD. We can give you those info for 5.000 euro/day
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22:33:14  <XeryusTC> or i'll just stay here so i can see the svn logs ;)
22:33:37  <Bjarni> now those prices are obscene.... you can rent real life trains for prices like that
22:35:12  <XeryusTC> the family of ottd addicts dont know that ;)
22:36:08  <glx> <-- about which project?
22:36:35  <XeryusTC> some get a life project joke :P
22:36:39  <Bjarni> his project to get a life
22:37:15  <XeryusTC> it has been stopped
22:37:24  <XeryusTC> i hate blogs and i dont kept up with it
22:37:29  <Bjarni> if you wants your own private train, then you should have bought it when the railroads switched from steam to electric/diesel
22:37:46  <Bjarni> some of them more or less gave their steam locomotives away
22:38:03  <glx> or destroyed them :(
22:38:09  <Bjarni> <glx> <-- about which project?
22:38:10  <Bjarni> [00:36] 	<Bjarni>	his project to get a life
22:38:10  <Bjarni> [00:37] 	<XeryusTC>	it has been stopped
22:38:17  <XeryusTC> or just put it on a side track
22:38:29  <XeryusTC> so someone buys it now for 10million :P
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22:40:32  <Bjarni> I once heard about a (ok, crappy and maybe even unable to drive) switching steam engine, that was sold for.. well converted to modern currency, I guess around 1000 euro. The contract stated that the trade was void if the engine ever was used as a commercial engine or resold or crapped or anything like that
22:40:41  <Bjarni> now that is the time to get your own private train
22:41:12  <XeryusTC> rofl
22:41:17  <XeryusTC> rails were run by stoners in those days :P
22:41:30  <Bjarni> yeah
22:42:31  <Bjarni> btw those "if ever resold, sell back to the original owner for the original price" contracts are still valid, but what would a modern railroad use a weak and worn out steam switcher to today?
22:42:38  <Bjarni> they might get it ;)
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22:43:46  <Bjarni> too bad they sell their worn out rolling stock at higher prices today
22:44:11  <Bjarni> I do know a place where a worn out DMU stands today because it was sold to a private person
22:44:23  <Bjarni> but it will never drive again
22:44:36  <Bjarni> way too worn out and now it even lost track connection
22:46:49  <XeryusTC> aw :(
22:47:28  <Bjarni> it was either that or scrapped
22:47:31  <XeryusTC> maybe the person could be convinsed to put some money in restoring it
22:47:39  <Bjarni> he did
22:47:52  <Bjarni> but not into a functional state
22:48:08  <Bjarni> only into a ... what to call it....
22:48:17  <Bjarni> now it's kind of part of his model train shop
22:49:17  <Bjarni> he casts his own HO trains of Danish models and sells them with different stuff on the wheels and different engines, so they fit different track systems and both DC and AC
22:49:28  <Bjarni> so it's a very special shop
22:49:37  <Bjarni> I wonder if I should go there
22:50:32  <Bjarni> <patchbot>	SVN commit: r361 by lakie <--- 361 o_O
22:51:06  <XeryusTC> heh
22:51:19  <XeryusTC> my own game is only at r210ish :P
22:51:27  <XeryusTC> svn is only running for a few weeks though ;)
22:52:27  <XeryusTC> im off to bed
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22:52:33  <Bjarni> well, we are 4661 revisions ahead of the patch
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22:52:42  <Bjarni> let's try to make that 5000
22:52:48  <Xeryus|sleep> heh
22:52:53  <Xeryus|sleep> you could use our strategy
22:53:00  <Bjarni> which is ?
22:53:06  <Xeryus|sleep> things like "forgot to add some files in my latest commit"
22:53:23  <Xeryus|sleep> or adding a feature in about 3 revisions
22:53:36  <Bjarni> oh, I did that once
22:54:00  <Bjarni> I think I used 4 commits or something like that to change native EOL and stuff like that
22:54:30  <Bjarni> I was asked to do so, but I had never done that before
22:55:14  <Bjarni> and then was the time when I accidentally added a : too many and it broke on windows only, so I didn't notice
22:55:17  <Xeryus|sleep> it took me 5 commits to make a server report to the masterserver successfully
22:55:55  <Bjarni> wait a minute
22:55:56  * Xeryus|sleep <-- now
22:56:01  <Bjarni> what SVN server do you commit to?
22:56:19  <Xeryus|sleep>
22:56:27  <Xeryus|sleep> full of bugs though :P
22:56:31  <Xeryus|sleep> mostly in my commits :P
22:56:51  <Xeryus|sleep> we'll resume this conversation tomorow ok?
22:56:56  <Bjarni> ok
22:56:57  <Xeryus|sleep> i really must get some sleep
22:57:03  <Bjarni> then again maybe not
22:57:06  * Bjarni shoots Xeryus|sleep
22:57:11  <Bjarni> rest in peace
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23:00:15  <ems> hi
23:00:29  <ems> is there a quick way of clearing a crashed train?
23:00:35  <SimonRC> no
23:01:26  <ems> how long till they get removed?
23:02:10  <[Shaman]> A while
23:02:39  <ems> how many months?
23:02:54  <[Shaman]> 'a while'
23:03:11  <[Shaman]> it'd depend on the month
23:03:14  <[Shaman]> so just stick to a while
23:03:43  <glx> anyway it's better to prevent crashing trains
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23:16:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> you can have great crashing fun with using the PBS patch ;)
23:17:34  <glx> that's why I don't use it :)
23:18:16  <KUDr> now somebody can take yapf and make new pbs
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23:19:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> "somebody" ;)
23:19:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> iirc, you were the one volunteering ;)
23:20:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> and because you didn't get anywhere, you created yapf
23:20:42  <KUDr> yes, but now i am bit tired
23:20:53  <KUDr> and next few weeks very busy
23:21:12  <KUDr> we have big visit at work (US boss)
23:23:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> celestar wanted to look into the new signalling idea, right?
23:24:12  <KUDr> yes, it is the next big task
23:24:15  <Bjarni> now that you got a visit from the big guy, you want to create the illusion that you actually do stuff at work?
23:24:42  <KUDr> 1) we have lot of meetings
23:24:58  <KUDr> 2) he is very often looking at my monitor
23:25:12  <Bjarni> 1: inefficient
23:25:18  <KUDr> so it is not easy to do something reasonable (like ottd)
23:25:22  <Bjarni> 2: stop having porn on it
23:25:34  <KUDr> porn?
23:25:39  <KUDr> i am too old for that
23:26:01  <KUDr> inefficient - yes, but boss likes them
23:26:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> 2) show hime some fancy seti@home screensaver ;)
23:26:12  <KUDr> hehe
23:26:32  <Bjarni> well, some people newer outgrow porn watching
23:26:37  <Bjarni> like bosses
23:26:55  <Eddi|zuHause2> and give him some technobabble about whatever you are supposed to work with, explaining the screensaver
23:26:55  <KUDr> when looking at ottd sources, he asked me: "what signal? and on what track?"
23:29:41  <KUDr> ok guys, good night
23:30:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> right back at ya
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23:51:58  * SimonRC wonders why KUDr was working on OTTD at work.
23:56:07  <Bjarni> don't torture yourself
23:56:15  <Bjarni> some things aren't meant to be understood
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