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00:00:10 <Bjarni> haah 00:00:10 <Bjarni> *haha 00:00:29 <Eddi|zuHause> (making that country about 2 meters wide ;)) 00:01:11 <Bjarni> there is a railroad not far from here. It's about 25 km long and it's actually 3 different railroads, that have been merged into one 00:01:27 <Bjarni> that gives the term "short line" a new meaning 00:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't find that picture in the net :( 00:04:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B75658.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:05:03 <Sacro> ooh, Purchase Window Refit Info patch 00:05:33 <glx> yeah seems nice 00:05:34 <Bjarni> once you mention that you will find a certain pic on the net to show to some people, you can be sure that it's gone :P 00:05:36 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 00:08:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen it on the net... 00:08:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it was in a history book or something 00:09:56 <Bjarni> there could be some issues in joining so many countries 00:10:37 <Bjarni> the most stable countries are those with one culture only... if there are more, there is a risk of bad stuff happening 00:11:27 <Bjarni> think of virtually any war in the 20th century. One of the first things that happens is to get rid of "them" in the country 00:11:51 <Bjarni> think of Yugoslavia 00:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> oh.. the history of the creation of the german reich in 1871 is really genious ;) 00:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause> (see Bismarck) 00:12:48 <Bjarni> those people lived together when Tito was in command. Once he died, they started to kill each other 00:13:10 <Bjarni> yeah 00:13:54 <Bjarni> Bismarck built railroads, which in turn gave a great boost both to the military and to the economy, making Prussia a really strong nation 00:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause> he had to trick austria into a war, to get rid of everything belonging to austria, but not the german federation (hungria, lots of stuff in yugoslavia) 00:15:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (as austria would hardly have given up those countries ;)) 00:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause> he did that by claiming holstein (or something... in the north of germany... far from austria, but somehow belonging to it) 00:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause> then he tricked france into a war by claiming rights on the spanish throne 00:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (because france was against germany merging) 00:17:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and then he had to convince bavaria that prussia will not dominate the country 00:18:01 <Sacro> hmm 00:18:15 <Eddi|zuHause> (parts of the special rights bavaria recieved back then are still valid) 00:20:03 <Eddi|zuHause> all that within around 3 years, i believe 00:23:23 <glx> hey a train without orders can make money 00:23:28 *** Magus_X [i=Magus_X@201.41.13.199] has joined #openttd 00:23:35 <Magus_X> hello all 00:23:50 <Magus_X> ( Using UPLINK internal client LOL ) 00:27:23 <Sacro> Magus_X: as in the Introversion game? 00:27:32 <Bjarni> night 00:27:33 <Magus_X> yes 00:27:35 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a41660.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:27:48 <Sacro> nice :) im an alpha tester for Defcon 00:27:53 <Magus_X> :D 00:28:02 <Magus_X> Defcon? 00:28:21 <Sacro> their latest game 00:28:21 <CIA-14> Darkvater * r5286 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 00:28:21 <CIA-14> - Clean up VS2005 project files by making them identical to the VS2003 project 00:28:21 <CIA-14> file. Mainly put object files into a subdirectory of the project directory 00:28:21 <CIA-14> instead of a level higher which makes absolutely no sense. Also add some 00:28:21 <CIA-14> ignores, remove obsolete VS6 project files. 00:28:44 <Magus_X> hm... 00:28:50 <Magus_X> running passowrk breaker right now 00:29:02 <Sacro> lol 00:29:44 <Magus_X> what defcon is about? 00:29:51 <Magus_X> damn bad english 00:30:09 <Sacro> you ever seen Wargames? 00:30:47 <Magus_X> oh 00:30:48 <Magus_X> lol 00:30:58 <Sacro> its Global Thermonuclear War 00:31:02 <Magus_X> cool 00:31:15 <Magus_X> like... Total Annihilation? 00:32:09 <Sacro> yup 00:33:24 <Magus_X> cool 00:34:36 <Sacro> hmm, is there a nice easy wya to share my hard drives on my laptop and desktop to each other 00:34:46 * Sacro investigates NFS 00:35:15 <Magus_X> lol! 00:36:09 *** Magus_X [i=Magus_X@201.41.13.199] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:36:42 *** Magus_X [i=t7DS@201.41.13.199] has joined #openttd 00:36:55 <Magus_X> oh 00:36:58 <Magus_X> i got caught 00:36:59 <Magus_X> LOL 00:38:06 <Sacro> ? 00:38:20 <lws1984> meh? 00:38:37 <Magus_X> me 00:38:44 <Magus_X> then game closed ^^ 00:39:03 <Sacro> hehe 00:39:07 <Sacro> bedtime i think 00:39:11 <lws1984> gnight 00:39:15 <Magus_X> gnight 00:39:51 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@83.100.229.245] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 00:41:18 <Magus_X> http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2990/speculations5fw.jpg my bet for this WC 00:48:44 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 01:06:52 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit ["I'm gone, bye bye :)"] 01:09:18 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 01:18:47 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #openttd 01:51:30 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:51:39 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 01:59:08 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Quit"] 02:02:44 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:03:20 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 02:07:14 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a81-197-103-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 02:27:32 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:01:03 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 03:20:54 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 03:27:15 *** Ammler [n=irc@169.122.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:27:37 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37D9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:12:08 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 05:18:50 <Tobin> Gah, Google Earth now has high res images for my area and Google Maps has road data but neither has both. 05:19:11 * Tobin wonders what other free services he can complain about 05:19:52 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:35:39 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37D9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:41:23 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 05:48:43 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 06:01:46 *** fusee [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #openttd 06:18:46 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:18:47 *** fusee is now known as fusey 06:32:23 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 06:37:55 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 06:47:41 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 06:49:36 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:04:56 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 07:05:43 *** TinoM [n=Tino@83.135.197.0] has joined #openttd 07:18:06 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:19:33 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 07:21:48 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 07:28:49 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 07:37:00 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca243.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:37:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 07:41:50 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 07:41:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 07:42:34 <guru3> 6/t 07:42:42 <eleusis> ! 07:42:46 <guru3> typo 07:42:50 <guru3> meant to type just /t 07:43:32 <eleusis> :) 07:43:48 <eleusis> 6 <- remnant from '/win 6'? 07:44:07 <peter1138> morning 07:44:13 <eleusis> afternoon 07:44:27 <guru3> not quite sure how that 6 got there 07:44:30 <guru3> and good morning peter1138 07:44:42 <eleusis> :) 07:44:51 <guru3> svn hates me :( 07:45:14 <peter1138> aww 07:45:17 <eleusis> i hate svn 07:45:26 <guru3> i can't even get my own project's source anymore 07:45:28 <eleusis> >:D 07:45:41 <DarkSSH> KUDr: it might be possible that openttd doesn't compile for you now becuase i removed the additional include/library paths 07:45:45 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 07:45:46 <Darkvater> morning 07:45:52 *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater 07:45:52 <guru3> good morning 07:46:41 <guru3> i wonder how developers are supposed to commit to sf.net svn... 07:47:23 <eleusis> um 07:47:27 <eleusis> sourceforge has svn now? 07:47:32 <guru3> yeah 07:47:35 <eleusis> :O 07:47:41 <eleusis> since when? 07:47:48 <Darkvater> since some time 07:47:59 <eleusis> hmm 07:48:03 <Darkvater> guru3: I imagine if you are in the dev-group of the SF project you are allowed to commit 07:48:07 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:48:19 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 07:48:54 <guru3> woo look at that it worked 07:48:54 <guru3> now 07:48:59 <guru3> to get it to store my username... 07:51:43 <guru3> oh my 07:51:52 <guru3> it's memorized my userinfo already 07:52:09 <eleusis> :) 07:52:17 <eleusis> what are you working on, guru3? 07:52:44 <guru3> armagetron advanced 07:53:02 <eleusis> hmm 07:53:15 <eleusis> a tron clone! 07:53:24 <guru3> in 3D! 07:53:34 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 07:53:36 <guru3> well actually 07:53:41 <guru3> it's a 3D rendering of 2D 07:53:46 <guru3> we're still working on the 3D bit 07:54:37 <eleusis> so it's just a light cycle game? 07:54:49 <guru3> it's not 'just' a light cycle game 07:54:53 <eleusis> tron 2.0 had those.. 07:54:56 <eleusis> ok.. :) 07:54:56 <guru3> it's much, much more than your average light cycle game 07:58:30 <peter1138> so it's light cycle with pretty graphics? 07:58:58 <Darkvater> hehe 07:59:05 <eleusis> flashing light cycles? ;) 07:59:09 <guru3> :( 07:59:13 <Darkvater> average light cycle simulation 07:59:13 <eleusis> :D 07:59:27 <guru3> it's to your regular tron simulator 07:59:31 <eleusis> maybe it has other light things 07:59:36 <eleusis> light planes! 07:59:43 <guru3> what openttd is to like the first tycoon game 07:59:45 <eleusis> build walls in 3D 08:01:14 <eleusis> hmm 08:01:22 <eleusis> how do cities grow in openttd? 08:02:24 <guru3> With new Miragrow City Edition! 08:02:32 <guru3> Just one drop and cities spring up before your very eyes! 08:02:46 <[Shaman]> eleusis: by transporting passengers, mail and goods to that city 08:02:47 <guru3> Now yours for just 5 easy payments of .95! 08:03:22 <eleusis> awesome 08:04:02 <eleusis> guru3 :) 08:04:23 <eleusis> guru3: is there a special offer for those paying with credit card? :P 08:04:51 <guru3> nope 08:04:54 <guru3> cash only 08:05:00 <eleusis> :) 08:07:51 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:09:19 *** orudge [n=orudge@host81-157-18-207.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:19:22 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:22:04 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 08:22:16 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:25:47 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:26:33 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:32:37 <Hagbard_Ub> SCOOLS OUT! 08:32:48 <eleusis> party! 08:33:32 <Darkvater> what is a scools? 08:34:46 <peter1138> presumably a bad spelling of 'skoolz' 08:35:28 <MiHaMiX> :DD 08:36:09 <eleusis> or "school's" 08:36:34 <peter1138> ahh... skool daez 08:36:39 <peter1138> o_O daze 08:36:43 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8229A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:36:44 <Darkvater> 5k001 w3T? 08:36:51 <peter1138> http://www.spectrum.lovely.net/Skooldaze.html 08:36:51 <peter1138> :D 08:37:03 <Noldo> classic 08:38:30 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:38:31 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 08:51:38 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 08:53:47 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 09:00:27 *** hagbard_ [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:00:30 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:07:24 *** hagbard_ is now known as Hagbard_Ub 09:11:04 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:23:12 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.166.154] has joined #openttd 09:29:27 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:30:05 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 09:30:28 <MeusH> hi 09:30:41 <MeusH> a friend of mine asked about error with STR_0131_TOO_MANY_NAMES_DEFINED 09:30:53 <MeusH> seems he can't name more towns 09:31:02 <MeusH> because of limitations of name array 09:31:16 <MeusH> however, is there any way to skip it somehow? 09:35:22 <Naksu> skip the error? 09:35:41 <Naksu> if it was a non-fatal one i would assume the game wouldnt stop :) 09:37:22 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:37:33 <peter1138> skipping the error would be very silly 09:37:51 <[Shaman]> it's not an error for nothing, Naksu. 09:38:05 <[Shaman]> it's meant to be 'alarming'.. not 'ignored' :P 09:42:23 <ln-> MeusH: can you tell me what the hell does "you aren't even allowed at him you punk" mean? looks like english words in a row, but doesn't seem to mean anything. 09:43:18 <Noldo> MeusH: find the constant that defines the size of the array from the code and recompile 09:43:27 <peter1138> constant. lol. 09:43:58 <Noldo> or the upperlimit 09:44:57 <peter1138> upperlimit. lol. 09:45:48 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4474.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 09:46:19 <Noldo> foo 09:47:28 <peter1138> hmm, actually it's easy 09:47:38 <peter1138> just it's old code with bitmasks 'n stuff 09:47:38 * peter1138 updates 09:48:50 <Noldo> bimasks <3 09:57:17 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:58:20 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 10:10:19 <MeusH> But a savegame done on tweaked OpenTTD (with changed constant) won't work on unchanged OpenTTD, will it? 10:13:04 <MeusH> brb 10:13:05 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 10:13:38 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.166.154] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 10:15:58 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 10:21:42 *** CrazyGoogle [n=schamane@p5498D0F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:29:10 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a81-197-103-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:29:42 <Ihmemies> uhh 10:30:01 <Ihmemies> do I have to aim to 75% ratings with passenger transport too? or is it ok if I have "too many" trains? 10:30:21 <hylje> of course its ok 10:30:26 <hylje> as long as your network can take it 10:30:55 <Ihmemies> great :F 10:31:15 <Ihmemies> sigh 10:31:29 <Ihmemies> should have probably made 4-lane maglev :F 10:32:02 <Ihmemies> i didn't realize that they are _that_ fast.. it's first time I built maglevs in ottd 10:32:25 <hylje> :D 10:33:09 <peter1138> did you copypaste them? :p 10:33:26 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:33:56 *** joed [n=James@58.165.0.82] has joined #openttd 10:34:34 <Ihmemies> yeah 10:34:43 <Ihmemies> looked from the forums some nice designs! 10:35:07 <peter1138> do you know how signalling works? 10:35:14 <peter1138> or do you just copy&paste that? 10:35:43 <Ihmemies> uh, partly, priorities I just c&p :P 10:36:45 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-195-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:36:51 <Ihmemies> anyways, passenger trains seem to earn loads of money 10:37:04 <Ihmemies> 500K/year from one small 3-square train 10:37:55 <Sacro> morning all 10:39:31 <peter1138> standard engines i suppose? 10:39:37 <peter1138> ukrs is much harder :) 10:39:43 <Sacro> ukrs is brilliant 10:40:01 <peter1138> the development version is even better :D 10:40:19 <Noldo> how free is ukrs? 10:41:00 <Sacro> Noldo: about as free as OpenTTD 10:41:10 <Ihmemies> ukrs, aaargh 10:41:14 <Ihmemies> realism sucks! 10:41:48 <Ihmemies> i especially hate those slow and small cargo containers :F 10:43:05 <Sacro> ol 10:43:31 <Ihmemies> signaling electrical rails is also difficult because those grey poles interfere with light graphics :/ 10:44:12 <Sacro> yup 10:44:20 <Sacro> i dont like OpenTTD light signals, they're too short 10:44:36 <peter1138> use a replacement? :D 10:45:02 <Sacro> peter1138: are there any nice uk signals? 10:45:08 * Sacro checks grfcrawler 10:45:24 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:49 <Sacro> apparently not 10:46:21 <peter1138> hmm 10:46:25 <peter1138> not everything is on there 10:46:36 <peter1138> i know of us and dutch signal sets 10:46:39 <peter1138> but not uj 10:46:40 <peter1138> er 10:46:40 <peter1138> uk 10:47:11 <peter1138> pb_uksignals ;) 10:47:32 <Sacro> is there a pb_uksignals? 10:47:35 <peter1138> no 10:48:05 <Sacro> :( 10:50:20 <Noldo> I didn't find any license infromation from UKRS site 10:50:52 <Ihmemies> sigh 10:51:08 <Sacro> Noldo: its free :) 10:51:08 <Ihmemies> seems i'm too used to having "enough" money 10:51:42 <Ihmemies> I tried to make one 4x4 square station.. had 200k money, 100k after making the station and a few squares of rail :D 10:52:09 <Sacro> ? 10:54:26 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B37D9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:01 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 10:57:17 <peter1138> well, ukrs's graphics are based on the originals quite heavily 10:57:25 <peter1138> otoh, the new version has redrawn everything 10:58:15 <Sacro> ooh nice 11:08:27 <hylje> when maglev is invented 11:10:09 <Ihmemies> 2xxx :D 11:10:22 <Ihmemies> (altough it's unrealistic! omg!) 11:11:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that was supposed to be a questioon? 11:16:32 <hylje> upgrading network is tricky 11:18:58 <Ihmemies> upgrading network is pain in the ass 11:19:03 <Ihmemies> that's why I don't upgrade :P 11:19:19 <hylje> hf with obsolete trains in around 2020? 11:19:35 <Ihmemies> pfft, asiastars go nearly 270km/h 11:20:32 <hylje> monorail'll go faster 11:21:50 <Ihmemies> but it takes days to replace all the trains you've built when you finally get it 11:22:08 <hylje> perhaps 11:25:39 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 11:30:37 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have that kind of problem with the DBSetXL :) 11:31:34 <Ihmemies> can I have the same in english, please? :D 11:32:04 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 11:33:39 <Ihmemies> wtf is that dblggkkf? 11:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause> that is the name of the grf... 11:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.ttdpatch.net/newgrf.html 11:35:33 <Bjarni> Ihmemies: it's named DB Set XL, but without spaces. It's really not that complex (DB is the German railroad) 11:35:45 <Ihmemies> "Es ist der erste vollständige regionale Fahrzeugsatz für Transport Tycoon (deLuxe) der unter TTDPatch funktioniert. Der Fahrzeugsatz ist fürŽs normale Klima vorgesehen und enthält die wichtigsten DB (Deutsche Bundesbahn, Die Bahn) Fahrzeuge sowie eine Reihe älterer Fahrzeuge der (Vorkriegs-) Reichsbahn (DRG)." 11:35:47 <Ihmemies> yeah, i see 11:36:00 <Bjarni> XL because it's an enchanted version of the DBSet 11:36:02 <Ihmemies> i finally managed to google it 11:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause> there is an englis readme, too ;) 11:36:17 <Eddi|zuHause> *english 11:36:31 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:36:37 <Prof_Frink> It's a donotreadme 11:36:42 <Bjarni> are you sure it's not spelled englisch? 11:36:48 <hylje> IgnoreMe 11:36:51 <hylje> :-D 11:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause> not in english ;) 11:36:56 <Ihmemies> but en readme has same stuff as de, so it doesn't matter 11:37:22 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: I seriously saw Deutsch or Englisch in a commercial product o_O 11:37:37 <Bjarni> <hylje> IgnoreMe <-- we always do that 11:38:00 <Ihmemies> what does that dbset do when you want to move from rail to ml? 11:38:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it has only one maglev train (transrapid) that can only carry passengers, mail, goods and valuables 11:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so it is absolutely no use upgrading a network ;) 11:39:16 <Ihmemies> .... 11:39:21 <Ihmemies> piece of junk, then :) 11:39:23 <Ihmemies> like ukrs set 11:39:28 <Prof_Frink> Depends how you have your network set up 11:39:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but it has electric rails from 1920 11:39:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and lots of graphical eyecandy ;) 11:40:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and of course wagonspeedlimit 11:43:27 <Ihmemies> ... 11:43:33 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:43:46 <Ihmemies> but it's all about speed.. what fun there is if fast trains are removed? :( 11:44:08 <peter1138> hylje: in english when asking a question, is comes before the item... i.e. "when is maglev invented?" 11:44:19 <Bjarni> the eyecandy: http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/wagon_overwrite.png 11:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> more importantly, questions need to be ended by a question mark 11:44:58 <Bjarni> yeah 11:45:07 <Sacro> Bjarni: interesting res... 11:45:12 <Ihmemies> do you play ottd with communicator or what? :D 11:45:41 <hylje> i'd like to 11:45:42 <hylje> :D 11:45:49 <Bjarni> Sacro: I took a screenshot and cut this out of it for people like Eddi|zuHause with really lousy connections :P 11:46:00 <Ihmemies> ... 11:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 11:51:22 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 11:55:13 <peter1138> Bjarni: it's override, not overwrite 11:58:18 <Sacro> but overwrite is similar 12:02:42 <Sacro> ERROR: Error found on page <- damn useful router 12:02:50 <hylje> :> 12:03:25 * peter1138 pats this little pda with a 640x480 display 12:03:34 <peter1138> not yet got ottd on it though 12:03:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75B9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:04:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75B9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:05:00 <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if i can have an OTTD server on my router 12:06:28 <hylje> why not 12:07:49 <Sacro> dunn 12:08:37 <Sacro> hmm, i appear to be able to ssh into it 12:09:11 <Bjarni> ahh you mean ON your router, not though it 12:09:19 <Bjarni> hmm 12:09:22 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes 12:09:26 <Bjarni> I think you will lack CPU power 12:09:32 <Bjarni> and maybe memory 12:10:06 <Bjarni> but I like the idea of having routers run such software :) 12:10:26 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@81.183.137.17] has joined #openttd 12:10:27 <Sacro> doesnt have any space to install it 12:10:44 <Sacro> well ideally, it'd be an OTTD and LAMP server 12:10:50 <hylje> run it off nfs 12:11:02 <Bjarni> some routers runs linux and you can hook up an USB HD to it 12:11:04 <peter1138> you need a server to control a lamp? 12:11:13 <Bjarni> yeah 12:11:24 <Sacro> peter1138: beats getting up in the dark 12:11:32 <Bjarni> if he ever leaves home and forgot to turn off the light, he can do it though the internet 12:12:10 <hylje> in the ipv6 days you can assign unique IPs for every lamp 12:12:27 <hylje> and make them flash when someone pings them 12:12:38 <Bjarni> why would you want to do that? 12:12:46 <Noldo> Bjarni: because you can! 12:12:51 <Darkvater> peter1138: sidetracked once again? :p 12:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yesterday, it was _really_ dark for 2 minutes ;) 12:13:01 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:13:07 <peter1138> Darkvater: hmm? 12:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause> (i need a UPS) 12:13:24 <Darkvater> pda now instead of utf8/newgrf :) 12:13:42 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> yesterday, it was _really_ dark for 2 minutes ;) <-- it can't get really dark here at this time of the year :D 12:13:55 <Bjarni> I mean I can see where the sun is even at midnight 12:14:06 <peter1138> Darkvater: nah 12:14:11 <Eddi|zuHause> well... apart from occasional lightnings 12:14:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the entire environment was absolutely dark 12:17:34 <Prof_Frink> Silly northerner 12:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> well... i'm a few degrees south of bjarni ;) 12:19:21 <Bjarni> Jumbo Frame Support <-- wtf is that??? (in a router) 12:19:35 <Bjarni> Jumbo sized package support? 12:19:55 <hylje> jumbo packets 12:19:56 <hylje> ye 12:20:05 <vondel> more than 1500bytes in a packet 12:20:16 <vondel> a lot more 12:21:42 <Bjarni> why would I want that? 12:21:58 <Bjarni> the internet would only allow around 1500 bytes in each package anyway 12:22:05 <hylje> local networki 12:22:06 <hylje> ng 12:22:22 <hylje> i guess that makes for more throughput and less overhead 12:22:29 <vondel> on some routes on internet jumbo packets are allowed 12:22:51 <vondel> afaik there exists mechanisms in ipv6 to determine the minimum possible packetsize on a link 12:22:59 <Hackykid> hmm, is there one/ 12:23:00 <Hackykid> ? 12:23:21 <Hackykid> wont packets that are too large be split into multiple smaller ones? 12:23:28 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 12:23:30 <Hackykid> hmm, but thats only with tcp i think 12:23:44 <Bjarni> Hackykid: for IPv4 yes, for IPv6 no 12:23:49 <Bjarni> hmm 12:23:55 <vondel> yes, that's why you need to measure the max size that goes through unfragmented 12:23:55 <Bjarni> I wonder what I just said ok to 12:24:19 <Bjarni> there was a popup with ok (and some text I didn't read) that appeared as I pressed enter when sending the last line 12:24:27 <Bjarni> it went away right away 12:24:59 <vondel> bash.org shows it could prob have been worse 12:25:28 <vondel> people cybering to their granny coming online on exactly the wrong moment 12:26:20 <Bjarni> ahh, acrobat reader found an update, which I just finished downloading 12:26:20 <hylje> :D 12:26:39 <Bjarni> yeah 12:27:53 <Bjarni> hehe, now it's done updating and it just reopened the pdf, that I was already finished reading 12:28:20 <Bjarni> Apple MacOS X 10.1 / Apple MacOS X 10.2 / Apple MacOS X 10.3 <-- if you use OSX 10.4 with this router, you are out of luck? 12:28:22 <Bjarni> :P 12:28:30 <hylje> yes 12:28:30 <Bjarni> I guess they need to update their docs 12:29:10 <Bjarni> I find it hard to believe that the OS list is that limited. You just set up the router as gateway (or DHCP) and you are good to go 12:29:20 <Bjarni> it's not like it's really that much OS depending 12:29:52 <Bjarni> they should have written "ethernet and web browser to access setup" 12:29:56 <Bjarni> I think 12:31:01 <Sacro> my router wont let me change the wireless settings with anyhting other than IE :( 12:31:16 <Sacro> i tried Firefox, Epiphany, Konqueror 12:31:19 <hylje> :< 12:31:30 <Sacro> might have to try Opera, Lynx, Links 12:31:37 <Sacro> hmm, ssh... 12:31:49 <Bjarni> MacOS X 10.1 - 1.2 GHz - RAM 256 MB <-- what did they smoke??? 12:32:00 <Bjarni> I bet it works even with 1 GHz CPU 12:32:09 <Bjarni> or even less than that 12:32:18 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181072009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:33:18 <hylje> *recommended* is not necessarily *minimum* 12:33:38 <Bjarni> still, it sounds silly 12:34:44 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: firefox with UASwitcher? 12:35:06 <Bjarni> oh, that reminds me of a guy, who had the minimum for an ISDN connection (there was no recommended) and he wanted his money back because it turned out that he should transfer the internet data though his 56k modem port 12:35:33 <Bjarni> he claimed that the ISP should have told him that since they was told what hardware he had 12:36:11 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 12:40:15 *** panda_77 [n=panda@83.168.96.133] has joined #openttd 12:40:21 <panda_77> hi all 12:40:31 <panda_77> i need help 12:41:17 <panda_77> my problem is "too many defined names" 12:41:27 <panda_77> is there any way to cheat it ? 12:42:50 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:43:11 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: might have to try that next 12:43:31 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:43:36 <Sacro> panda_77: nope, sorry 12:44:12 <panda_77> and in the near future maybe ? 12:44:24 <tokai> Bjarni: are u here? 12:44:34 <Bjarni> no 12:44:43 <Bjarni> you are in Germany. I'm not 12:44:45 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:44:52 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["KABLAMO!"] 12:45:00 <tokai> Bjarni: do you know by any chance how to add dynlibs to a application bundle properly, so it works on users system even he doesnt has the dynlibs installed normaly? 12:45:02 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 12:45:33 <Bjarni> well, I know one way to solve that 12:45:55 <peter1138> static link, and forever use an obsolete version 12:46:05 <Bjarni> add the dynlib inside the bundle and then use (inset name of app here) to set the path to it 12:46:23 <Bjarni> I forgot the name of that app though 12:46:32 <Darkvater> panda_77: perhaps 12:46:33 <tokai> ah:) 12:46:34 <Bjarni> it's usually way easier to use static linking 12:46:44 <peter1138> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$foo ;) 12:46:45 <tokai> how to do this? :) 12:47:06 <Darkvater> import libraries :) 12:47:35 <peter1138> people should just install the damned shared libraries 12:47:44 <peter1138> i guess os x users are just lazy 12:47:44 <tokai> well.. i have no clue about xcode etc., trying to hghelp someone else who has problems with his app not finding libpng/ and libjpeg :) 12:48:08 <peter1138> (on average </get out clause>) 12:48:41 <Bjarni> tokai: the name of that app is install_name_tool 12:49:00 <tokai> k, thx. hope that will help. 12:49:01 <Darkvater> so people are you ready for a RC this weekend? 12:49:07 <Darkvater> where's celestar anyways? 12:49:17 <Bjarni> LDFLAGS += -headerpad_max_install_names <-- that line is needed as well 12:49:55 <tokai> Bjarni: thx. again. :) 12:49:56 <Bjarni> it will reserve room in the binary to use the max length path, otherwise you risk overwriting important data if your new path is longer than the old one 12:50:45 *** joed [n=James@58.165.0.82] has quit ["Client exiting"] 12:50:47 <tokai> ic 12:50:52 <peter1138> that sounds like *such* a hack 12:51:00 <Bjarni> <peter1138> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$foo ;) <-- something like that is possible on OSX as well, but I never got it to work. I'm not really sure I tried much though 12:51:05 <peter1138> whatever happened to dynamic linking... 12:51:31 *** orudge [n=orudge@81.157.18.207] has joined #openttd 12:51:32 <Bjarni> peter1138: it's regarding placing a lib file in a location that is not in the lib search path 12:51:40 <Bjarni> like inside the bundle in question 12:51:50 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at<