Log for #openttd on 8th August 2006:
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00:00:44  <JohnUK89> 8mb ram :-/
00:01:17  <magus_x> LOL
00:01:25  <magus_x> your swap will be the diskette
00:01:26  <magus_x> lol
00:01:33  <JohnUK89> Lol
00:03:13  <mikk36> weeeee
00:03:16  <mikk36> i've got mail :D
00:03:17  <mikk36> at last
00:03:22  <mikk36> 1 hour delay:/
00:03:27  <JohnUK89> Lol
00:04:32  <magus_x> lol
00:04:56  <CIA-5> belugas * r5808 /branches/XTDwidget/ (24 files in 3 dirs): [XTDwidget] Synch with trunk up to 5806
00:05:00  <JohnUK89> Argh compiling OTTD on that lappy would take an age :s
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00:05:46  <magus_x> lol
00:06:05  <JohnUK89> Hell...would gcc fit? :P
00:06:18  <magus_x> brb
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00:12:24  <JohnUK89_sleep> Back in 7 hours or so :p
00:12:56  <mikk36> gl
00:13:00  <mikk36> and hf :)
00:14:05  <Sacro> whilst sleeping?
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00:18:28  <mikk36> yah:P
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02:22:51  <luckzi> so after 20 lols within 30 minutes, 19 of those by 2 people, this place died a painful death
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07:05:33  <roboman> when does the city airport come out
07:10:39  <peter1138> 1955 i think
07:11:28  <Gonozal_VIII> you could start a single player game and cheat the time to find out
07:11:55  <roboman> ok thanx
07:12:09  <roboman> i new it was the 1950's era
07:12:36  <CIA-5> tron * r5809 /trunk/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: Turn the tests for valid bridge ramp slopes into something comprehensible
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07:19:33  <Gonozal_VIII> would be cool to build an airport tile by tile making it more efficient or simply bigger including crashs when you make serious mistakes in the layout
07:25:59  <Zavior> Yes it would, but the devs probably would think otherwise :)
07:27:17  <peter1138> _avail_aircraft is a pretty silly global variable to save
07:27:36  <Burgundavia> better to have each part of the airport as a section
07:27:45  <Burgundavia> IE: one runway, not each tile of the runway
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07:28:02  <Gonozal_VIII> good point
07:28:16  <Gonozal_VIII> long runway & short runway
07:28:20  <Burgundavia> yep
07:28:47  <Burgundavia> also be able to extend an existing runway
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07:30:56  <Gonozal_VIII> i don't have any idea of programming but i think it should be possible the same way as the newstations for trains + some changes in plane pathfinding
07:31:38  <Burgundavia> likely
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08:12:43  <peter1138> as there isn't a plane pathfinder, you'd have to write one first, heh
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08:40:22  <Gonozal_VIII> no plane pathfinder? how do planes decide which runway they should take or which of those white square thingies?
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08:43:00  <peter1138> it's an FSM
08:43:20  <Gonozal_VIII> fsm?
08:43:36  <peter1138> flying spaghetti monster
08:43:50  <Gonozal_VIII> :S
08:44:14  <Bjarni> I see that this channel is acting completely normal
08:44:20  <Bjarni> talking about spaghetti programming :P
08:44:31  <peter1138> Bjarni: yeah, we're talking about your bits of code
08:44:47  <hylje> :o
08:45:08  <hylje> anyway we need custom airports
08:45:23  <hylje> no matter how expensive or so
08:45:35  <Tefad> haha
08:45:48  <Tefad> i wonder how many gotos are in ottd
08:46:03  <hylje> hmm
08:46:08  <Tefad> HOLY CRAP
08:46:34  <hylje> pretty many
08:47:09  <hylje> i found 446 lines where goto is invoked
08:47:11  <Tefad> i'd say 150 approx.
08:47:15  <Tefad> or that
08:47:31  <Tefad> ah.. i'm not searching all
08:47:43  <hylje> grep -r goto trunk | wc -l
08:49:18  <Bjarni> I see that Tefad made a mistake. Instead of trying to understand the code, he makes random searches to find out if it's bad or not and now he will not continue because his mind tells him it's too hard
08:49:30  <Bjarni> while it's actually not harder than just 5 minutes ago
08:49:41  <hylje> i'd implement one-way roads and then look at customised airports, one-ways are a good hack for taxiways.
08:50:06  <Rubidium> hylje: and that includes lang files, binary objects, svn stuff... it's rather about 200 real gotos
08:50:25  <hylje> lang files have gotos?
08:51:25  <Rubidium> STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_GOTODEPOT                                    :{LTBLUE}Allow goto depot orders: {ORANGE}{STRING1}
08:52:01  <hylje> oh sure
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08:59:45  <MiHaMiX> Rubidium: where?
09:01:26  <hylje> what the
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09:16:23  <Bjarni> hmm
09:16:52  <Bjarni> did Brianetta try to clean his touchscreen or something?
09:17:37  <Zavior> Apparently he is doing something violent to his firewall
09:18:03  <Bjarni> you mean he tried to put water on his firewall to put it out?
09:18:24  <Bjarni> you know, fire is just a name, not what it actually does
09:18:28  <Bjarni> it's not ON fire :p
09:18:33  <MiHaMiX> lol
09:18:37  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: go back to sleep :P
09:18:56  <Triffid_Hunter> it's named after the part of a car between your feet and the engine.. ;)
09:19:03  <Brianetta> X over SSH is flaky today
09:19:18  <Triffid_Hunter> Brianetta: screen + irssi ;)
09:19:31  <Brianetta> Triffid_Hunter: And append to new log files?  No way
09:19:39  <Brianetta> Besides, irssi is a pile
09:19:41  <Brianetta> ircII is better
09:19:50  <Bjarni> <MiHaMiX>	Bjarni: go back to sleep :P <-- I don't think that's a wise ides
09:19:55  <Bjarni> you see, I'm at work :p
09:19:56  <Triffid_Hunter> kvirc is king, but gui so no help here
09:20:04  <Brianetta> Neither have the kind of multi-channel support I'm enjoying now
09:20:15  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: in my opinion, ircII is a pile.. ;-)
09:20:19  <Brianetta> I'm on 7 networks
09:20:24  <Brianetta> 5 channels on this net alone
09:20:38  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: irsii supports multiple networks on the same time
09:20:41  <Brianetta> No console client I know is designed to make that sort of connection easy
09:20:45  <Triffid_Hunter> kvirc has a tree thingy for that
09:20:55  <Triffid_Hunter> not cli though :/
09:20:57  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: i'm used to have at least 14 subwindows in irssi
09:21:16  <Brianetta> MiHaMiX: With colour coded tabs for events, chat, chat-with-your-name-in?
09:21:26  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: exactly :)
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09:23:42  <MiHaMiX> ahh, this coffee was life-saving
09:23:52  <peter1138> hmm. tea.
09:24:41  <MiHaMiX> peter1138: we don't have devices for creating tee at workplace
09:25:04  <peter1138> hot water + tea bag = tea
09:25:21  <MiHaMiX> really? we have only tea bags :)
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09:25:48  <MiHaMiX> peter1138: we used to drink the tea with sugar and lemon :)
09:25:57  <peter1138> irssi gets a bit annoying when you have 20+ windows open
09:26:02  <MiHaMiX> peter1138: and we don't have lemon here :)
09:26:04  <peter1138> it runs out of shortcuts :(
09:26:11  <Rubidium> 10:59 <@MiHaMiX> Rubidium: where? <- if this is about the lang files; I was just stating that there where phrases containing 'goto' in the source lang files (english.txt for example), just to show that 'grep -r goto trunk' isn't the correct way to determine the number of goto's in some piece of code
09:26:22  <hylje> peter1138: bind more
09:26:30  <MiHaMiX> peter1138: yes, and you need to go to the appropriate subwindow step-by-step
09:26:30  <hylje> peter1138: i have up to 34 atm
09:26:51  <peter1138> hylje: i tend to work on the principle that if i have that many i'm doing too much
09:26:55  <MiHaMiX> peter1138: <ESC> + <left>, <ESC> + <right>
09:27:03  <peter1138> MiHaMiX: yes
09:27:14  <MiHaMiX> Rubidium: :DDD
09:28:23  <hylje> grepping fuck is somewhat amusing as well
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09:44:02  <SpComb> Logs:
09:44:02  <Bjarni> !logs
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09:45:22  <JohnUK89> Somehow i think my irc client sucks :) stupid mobiles lol
09:45:40  <hylje> irssi owns
09:45:43  <hylje> with mobile stuff
09:46:05  <JohnUK89> Cant get linux on me phone ;-)
09:46:15  <hylje> but you can get ssh
09:47:00  <JohnUK89> Only connection method at the moment is me phone :-/
09:48:41  <JohnUK89> I normally use bluetooth to shift the connection from phone to pc, but me pc isnt on atm
09:50:16  <Brianetta> irssi has no userlist
09:50:35  <Brianetta> no channel tabs, either
09:50:39  <JohnUK89> Neither does my loss :p
09:50:51  <SpComb> Brianetta: indeed, good thing at that
09:50:55  <tank_> Brianetta: there is a plugin for userlist, if you need one
09:51:05  <hylje> the userlist plugin is a hack
09:51:07  <Brianetta> i want a read-only userlist at all times
09:51:12  <tank_> Brianetta: and what for would you need tabs? you see every activity listed
09:51:17  <SpComb> I loaded the userlist once, but I removed it again
09:51:18  <SpComb> useless
09:51:20  <Brianetta> even in ircII I have a window which keeops track of users
09:51:35  <SpComb> I
09:51:36  <Brianetta> Lack of channel tabs is another killer
09:51:44  <hylje> tabs?
09:51:45  <SpComb> 've never felt the need for auserlist
09:52:02  <SpComb> Brianetta: you know your window numbers by heart... at least that's how I do it
09:52:06  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: you have lots of bad information :)
09:52:17  <Brianetta> SpComb: Switching *to* a tab isn't the issue
09:52:27  <peter1138> irssi has channel tabs
09:52:37  <peter1138> ok, so a tab is a single number...
09:52:40  <Brianetta> I want the client to inform me, discretely, when things are said in non-active channels
09:52:44  <peter1138> and doesn't state the channel name...
09:52:56  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: it does inform me..
09:52:57  <Brianetta> and I want it to inform me of whether my name was mentioned
09:53:02  <hylje> it does?
09:53:04  <hylje> by default?
09:53:08  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: too.
09:53:09  <peter1138> it does all that :)
09:53:15  <peter1138> however, preaching sucks
09:53:15  <hylje> peter1138: it can be configured to state that, but imho it takes way too much sace
09:53:19  <hylje> space*
09:53:22  <Brianetta> If it does all that out o fthe box, I'l try it again
09:53:33  <SpComb> Brianetta: then try it again
09:53:39  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: i can give you a really simple irssi config
09:53:39  <SpComb> it has a "Act:" thingie at the bottom
09:53:39  <Brianetta> If I have to configure it to do that, it's still years behind every GUI client.
09:53:53  <SpComb> with colour-coded numbers of windows with activity in them
09:53:53  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: it'll join your favourite networks and channels
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09:54:08  <hylje> Brianetta: sensible defaults, good configuration
09:54:08  <SpComb>  [12:54:05] [SpComb(+ei)] [10:#openttd(+cnt)] [Act: 4,8,9,21]
09:54:21  <MiHaMiX> SpComb: it can be configured to show the channel name, though
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09:54:38  <MiHaMiX> but.. hey.. shall we move this discussion to #irssi ?
09:54:39  <MiHaMiX> :)
09:54:49  * SpComb knows that 4 = #tycoon, 8 = #php, 9 = #mysql, 21 = #eetteri
09:55:09  <Brianetta> Howcome these channel numbers don't appear in screenshots?
09:55:12  <MiHaMiX> SpComb: yes, I'm having fix channel nunbers, too
09:55:15  <MiHaMiX> numbers
09:55:33  <hylje>  /layout save
09:55:36  <SpComb> Brianetta: example of a screenshot? Dunno, perhaps they were only in a single channel when taken
09:55:52  <Brianetta>
09:56:04  <hylje> Brianetta: channel numbers show only if there is activity or highlight
09:56:17  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: mention my name now, I'm switched to another window, I'll create a screenie for you
09:56:27  <Brianetta> MiHaMiX
09:56:47  <SpComb> Brianetta: second to last line on all those 3 screenshots there
09:57:09  <SpComb> well, third-to-last on the c0ders one
09:57:17  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: ok. screen saved
09:57:20  <Brianetta> I see it
09:57:35  <MiHaMiX>
09:57:54  <hylje> why an image when a text file would be enough
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09:58:07  <SpComb> hylje: colours
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09:58:27  <peter1138> SpComb: ANSI screenshots!
09:58:45  <peter1138> ah... The Draw... what a great program
09:59:42  <MiHaMiX> hylje: it shows the same way on each platform, while ansi text files may show different way
10:00:00  <hylje> what if the said platform has no image capability ?
10:00:21  <MiHaMiX> hylje: well, then that user has bad time :D
10:00:22  <SpComb> then said platforms smells for end use
10:02:05  <Brianetta> ...but is perfect for irssi
10:02:32  <Brianetta> irssi has an interface that I find about as attractive as emacs
10:02:42  <hylje> ha
10:02:44  <Brianetta> so I shalln't be using it
10:03:56  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: you are full of prejudice toward irssi.. but we forgive it.. :)
10:03:59  <JohnUK89> Thats a change of mood from "if it has tabs and can notify me when people talk ill try it again" :p
10:04:15  <Brianetta> JohnUK89: Tabs.  Not a row of integers.
10:04:26  <Brianetta> Since I JUST TRIED it
10:04:29  <JohnUK89> Same difference :p
10:04:37  <Brianetta> You're talking out of your bottom
10:05:09  <Brianetta> I'd rather use CGI:IRC on my web site
10:05:18  <JohnUK89> Maybe, just pointing something out :)
10:05:30  <SpComb> integers and channels, what's the difference, one just takes up more screen space :)
10:05:39  <Brianetta> but it has some info in it
10:05:44  <Brianetta> like, the name o fthe channel
10:05:53  <Brianetta> and since my GUI clint can ue small text
10:05:56  <Brianetta> er?
10:06:06  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: like I said, there's a plugin to show channel names as well..
10:06:07  <Brianetta> and since my GUI client can use small text,
10:06:14  <Brianetta> it's no extra space
10:06:31  <Brianetta> MiHaMiX: I'm sure, with enough plugins, you could make it in to ircII
10:07:11  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: ok, we don't want to convince you, we allow you to use GUI client, and we also allow you to disconnect and reconnect arbitrary number of times :)
10:07:13  <Brianetta> assuming you can write a decent Tcl interpreter in Perl...
10:07:35  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: tcl is evil. I know, since I'm a skilled tcl programmer as well
10:07:52  <Brianetta> MiHaMiX: That's nothing to do with the client, but the SSH connection underneath it.  If I was having continuing problems (it seems I'm not) then I'd configer a BNC
10:07:53  <SpComb> since you use numbers to change windows, you refrence windows with numbers, it may take a bit of getting used to, but works very well
10:08:17  * SpComb can just say that he has used irssi heavily for the past year, with ~default configs
10:08:18  <Brianetta> Tcl isn't evil
10:08:33  <SpComb> only setting I feel the need to change is use_status_window
10:08:38  <Brianetta> It's a language designed to operate on strings
10:08:44  <Brianetta> Kind of ideal for irc
10:08:44  <SpComb> that annoys me a bit both ways
10:08:52  <MiHaMiX> ok, it starts to resemble a discussion about personal preferences and personal belief.. let's end it
10:09:01  <SpComb> cats > dogs
10:09:44  <Brianetta> My gripe with irssi is mainly to do with its interface.  Of course that's about preferences.
10:10:04  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: perl is designed for strings. tcl is designed for platform interoperability, and though the base of tcl are strings, the use of string operations are not so comfortable
10:10:18  <Brianetta> Not so comfortable?
10:10:23  <Brianetta> Don't understand
10:10:36  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: [string length var]
10:10:39  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: and so on
10:10:50  <Brianetta> That's Tcl.  It's a PN language, same as Lisp
10:10:55  <Brianetta> I actually prefer it
10:11:11  <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: ok, no problem :) rewrite OpenTTD to Tcl/Tk :)
10:11:14  <Brianetta> and yes, I am used to Perl, PHP, C, Java and all the other "regular" notation languages
10:11:31  <Brianetta> MiHaMiX: I am doing so, slowly.  With autopilot.
10:11:41  <Brianetta> Well, no Tk yet
10:12:04  <Brianetta> Anyway, I posited that Tcl was ideal for IRC, not gaming
10:16:47  <Trenskow> who's in charge of minin branch?
10:17:03  <Bjarni> richK67
10:17:30  <Trenskow> ok.. he just said he would put in my patch, but nothings happened
10:17:39  <hylje> what patch
10:17:40  <Bjarni> :p
10:17:52  <Bjarni> yeah, what patch (that would have been my next line)
10:18:00  <hylje> i win
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10:18:10  <Bjarni> I win
10:18:18  <hylje> o no
10:18:21  <Trenskow> the network filter patch i did a cpl month ago
10:18:25  <Bjarni> ahh
10:18:26  <JohnUK89> Lol
10:18:45  <Trenskow> Bjarni, i thought about another thing
10:19:02  <Bjarni> actually I missed that patch a few days ago and started to wonder what happened to it
10:19:03  <Trenskow> it really annoys me, when i go full screen in os x, that i do not have access to other apps
10:19:21  <Bjarni> ...
10:19:29  <Trenskow> yo see it's needed
10:19:36  <Trenskow> well... i was wondering if..
10:19:46  <Trenskow> when you pull you mouse to the buttom, the dock appears
10:19:57  <Trenskow> and also the menuline on mouse at op
10:19:58  <Trenskow> top
10:20:03  <Bjarni> that's pretty hard to do, if not impossible
10:20:20  <Trenskow> Bjarni, nothings impossible, and your a obj-c shark ! :D
10:20:22  <Bjarni> if you really need that, then play in window mode and make the window fill the screen
10:20:40  <Bjarni> <Trenskow>	Bjarni, nothings impossible, and your a obj-c shark ! :D <-- LOL
10:20:47  <Bjarni> actually I don't know obj-c :p
10:20:54  <Trenskow> :)
10:20:59  <SpComb> 13:18:00 < hylje> i win
10:20:59  <SpComb> 13:18:10 -!- mode/#openttd [-v hylje] by Bjarni
10:21:03  <Trenskow> yes that also what i'm doing for now
10:21:16  <SpComb> doesn't one love how irc synch channel modes per chars in /whois and /names ?
10:21:20  <Bjarni> well, I started to try to learn it, but then I ran out of time before getting anything to work
10:21:20  <Trenskow> it's just that i'm on a 12" 1024x768, which is not a lot when playing ttd :)
10:21:46  <Trenskow> me to. is actually reading the apple's objective-c book at night at the time
10:21:55  <Bjarni> well, it's better than 640x480
10:22:00  <Trenskow> but i just hate the concept of messaging objects
10:22:06  <Trenskow> altought it has some benifits
10:22:36  * JohnUK89 Legs it to get food, bbs :p
10:23:32  <Bjarni> my next goal regarding development in some mac related way is to figure out how to get a new version of Xcode. According to the media, Apple released one yesterday, yet it's not on their download page
10:23:49  <Bjarni> also it's interesting to see the version number. Some claims 2.4 while others claim 3.0
10:23:53  <Bjarni> XD
10:24:12  <hylje> i hear it being xcode3
10:24:30  <hylje> and its only for the wwdc devs for now
10:24:31  <Trenskow> Bjarni, i watched the keynode yesterday, and i understood it as being availible at the time of os x leopard
10:24:41  <Trenskow> xcode 3 that is
10:25:01  <Bjarni> I guess xcode 3 will be released with Leopard and we will get 2.4 now
10:25:05  <Trenskow> and they announced garbage collection in obj-c
10:25:19  <Bjarni> obj-c already got a garbage collector
10:25:33  <Trenskow> huh ?
10:25:47  <Trenskow> isn't it just some reference count thingy ?
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10:26:02  <Trenskow> i wan't .net type of garbage collection
10:26:04  <Bjarni> I learned that when I tried to clean up my code in xcode 2.1 or 2.2
10:26:34  <Bjarni> I failed to free the memory and then I started looking at the obj-c docs online
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10:27:24  <Bjarni> and they claim that obj-c got a garbage collector
10:27:41  <Bjarni> also I didn't leak memory, so I guess it's true :)
10:27:46  <Trenskow> hmm
10:27:57  <Trenskow> what's the wwdc garbage collection fuzz all about then ?
10:28:05  <Bjarni> I don't know
10:28:09  <Bjarni> a more efficient one?
10:28:20  <Trenskow> maybe
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10:28:37  <Trenskow> i can only find 2.3 on
10:28:45  <Bjarni> me too
10:28:46  <Bjarni> dammit keynote video
10:28:51  <Bjarni> CONNECT!!!
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10:29:08  <Bjarni> I think too many people are trying to connect right now :p
10:29:36  <Trenskow> Bjarni, good luck with the keynode video
10:29:37  <Bjarni> we all want to see the same video... they should have released it in high resolution and made a torrent out of it
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10:29:46  <Trenskow> for me it was like only keyframes :D
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10:30:15  <Bjarni> maybe I will have to wait until they release a real video, not this streaming thing
10:31:32  <Bjarni> let's see this in the good way. Imagine getting video of events like this 10 years ago... back then we had to wait until magazines were printed and distributed and we was not even upset because it had to be that way :p
10:31:58  <Trenskow> Bjarni, hehe yes
10:35:40  <Trenskow> Bjarni, where should i post that patch ?
10:36:04  <Bjarni>
10:36:05  <Trenskow> i posted it on the forum, that obviously didn't have any effect
10:36:11  <Bjarni> as a patch, not a bug ;)
10:36:19  <Trenskow> ok
10:36:20  <Trenskow> super
10:36:37  <Trenskow> patch to be proofread or patch (request for comment) ?
10:36:55  <Bjarni> I take that it needs proofreading
10:37:01  <Bjarni> bbl lunch
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10:53:16  <Trenskow> Bjarni,
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11:08:01  <Bjarni> Trenskow: well, it looks like you found something to suit your needs. Now you can experiment to see if you can manage to get something to work the way you want
11:08:18  <Trenskow> Bjarni, i'm on the case already :)
11:09:22  <Bjarni> good
11:09:54  <Bjarni> I guess it's easier for you to experiment to get it to do as you want, instead of me experimenting until I get something I think is what you want ;)
11:10:07  <Bjarni> personally I think it's good the way it is
11:12:26  <peter1138> yay for old computer adverts
11:12:51  <peter1138> "The Electron is a 64K microcomputer which has 32K of RAM, combined with another 32K ROM. This simply means that it has more power than most people ever need from a home computer."
11:12:56  <peter1138> hehe
11:15:29  <Bjarni> I was once told by a computer guy (he wrote in computer magazines and so on) that if I would get the right computer model, then it would not really be outdated so I bought a 266 MHz CPU instead of a 233 MHz one
11:15:46  <Bjarni> didn't really made a big difference expect for the price :(
11:16:04  <Bjarni> now I know better
11:16:34  <Bjarni> generally I disagrees with most stuff in the magazines, but that's due to a lot of them being crap :p
11:17:41  <Bjarni> bbl
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11:23:15  <Brianetta> I learnt to program on an Electron
11:23:37  <Brianetta> Half the RAM of a BBC Micro
11:23:50  <Brianetta> How could anybody pretend it was so powerful?
11:27:49  <peter1138> ...
11:27:59  <peter1138> same amount of RAM
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11:34:46  <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: hi
11:34:56  <DarkSSH> 'ello
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12:30:58  <CIA-5> tron * r5810 /trunk/landscape.c: Shuffle some constants for clarity and remove a case which cannot occur in DrawFoundation()
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13:06:18  <grzywacz> hi
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13:34:29  <CIA-5> rubidium * r5811 /branches/TGP/genworld_gui.c: [TGP] -Change: use the normal pointer cursor when abort is clicked, so you can better see whether you click ok/cancel on the confirmation dialog.
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14:31:54  <Zavior> I wish I could pin train's detail window to be always visible :P
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14:33:55  <Brianetta> rain ):
14:39:55  <Bjarni> Zavior: you mean it lacks the pin button or ?
14:40:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> he means a "always on top" button
14:42:04  <Zavior> Yes
14:42:25  <Zavior> Always on top option would be nice there, too
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14:48:11  <Bjarni> oh great
14:48:14  <Bjarni> Tobin is here
14:48:25  * Tobin waves
14:48:27  <Bjarni> the same as "time to go to bed"
14:48:30  <Tobin> I just got home from work.
14:48:44  <Tobin> Bjarni: That's when I get up in the morning isn't it?
14:48:44  <Bjarni> o_O
14:48:55  <Tobin> It's 0:49 here.
14:48:57  <Bjarni> what odd hours do you work?
14:49:23  <Tobin> Heh, I work in a bottle shop. Mostly I work from around 4pm to 12:230am.
14:50:01  <Bjarni> wtf is a bottle shop? a booze store?
14:50:03  <Tobin> bottle shop = liquor store.
14:50:18  <Tobin> Yup, I sell booze.
14:50:23  <Bjarni> you sell liquor until midnight?
14:50:27  <Tobin> Yes.
14:50:33  <Tobin> Every night of the week.
14:50:38  <Bjarni> that's illegal here
14:50:53  <Bjarni> for all I know, you work in an illegal store :p
14:51:28  <Tobin> Almost every day of the year too. We have to close at 11pm on new years and christmas eves.
14:51:29  <Tobin>
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14:52:41  <Bjarni> but also have a large range of spirits and wine <-- so you got native customers as well to buy spirits?
14:52:43  <Bjarni> :p
14:52:57  <peter1138> ...
14:52:58  <Tobin> ?
14:54:13  <Bjarni> spirit... isn't that kind of like souls?
14:54:19  <Bjarni> as well a alcohol
14:55:14  <Tobin> Yes, it means both but I'm still not sure what you're getting at.
14:55:57  <Bjarni> hehe, about us "Please note 1 hour later on public holidays." <-- is that opening, closing or both... I presume just opening, but it doesn't say. You risk getting customers at 12:45 with that message :p
14:56:33  <Tobin> I have no idea.
14:56:54  <Tobin> I haven't worked a public holiday yet but I'd imagine it's opening.
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15:42:07  <kbrooks> Free4All server is back up!
15:42:59  <hylje> :O
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16:14:20  <Guest56> Production last month: 15585 crates of goods <-- nice^^
16:14:55  <hylje> :o
16:15:13  <hylje> that happens when you play coop
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16:18:23  <Guest56> all oil wells on the 512² map connected to the same refinery
16:18:56  <hylje> :D
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16:19:45  <Guest56> 122 trains bring the oil and 253 planes carry the goods away
16:20:02  <Guest56> i like it :-)
16:20:50  <hylje> planes?
16:20:52  <hylje> zomg
16:21:57  <Guest56> an-225 with 500 goods capacity
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16:27:58  <JohnUK89> *sigh* finally got this box back up...stoopid bluetooth lol
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17:10:50  <Wolf01> yo
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17:19:38  <hylje> anyone have recent MiniIN binaries available
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17:25:58  <hylje> okay. so how should i obtain said binaries
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17:26:24  <hylje> i want to play some MiniIN coop with people, and that requires a windows binary.
17:27:17  <kbrooks> hylje:
17:27:23  <kbrooks> scroll down
17:27:26  <hylje> oh nice
17:27:40  <hylje> ty
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17:31:37  <kbrooks> np
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17:54:42  <hylje> so MiniIN still has this nasty desync bug when someone has a train
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17:56:29  <Wolf01> different grfs?
18:03:59  <hylje> should not be since it did work earlier
18:09:09  <hylje> oh brianetta might have changed his grf zip ;)
18:10:22  <Brianetta> When did I?
18:10:29  <Brianetta> If the password changed, the grfs changed
18:10:34  <Brianetta> otherwise, it didn't
18:11:00  <Sacro_> dont change the password :(
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18:11:16  <Bjarni> guys, I just learned that I'm in yet another quote
18:11:18  <Bjarni>
18:11:23  <Bjarni> this time without Sacro
18:11:56  <Sacro> :o you mean im in?>
18:12:31  * Sacro greps the site
18:14:19  <kbrooks> whats "grep"? j/k
18:15:01  <Kjetil> It searches for words in a text
18:15:12  <kbrooks> notice "j/k"
18:15:13  <Bjarni> kbrooks: are you trying to get on that page as well?
18:15:20  <Kjetil> ah
18:15:29  <Wolf01>
18:15:30  <Wolf01> when is this bug been fixed?
18:15:39  <Kjetil> *hangs himself with a toothpick*
18:15:47  <Bjarni> Wolf01: ages ago
18:15:53  <Wolf01> i know
18:15:56  <Bjarni> pre 0.4.0, I think
18:16:04  <Wolf01> but i need to fix it for stations also
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18:16:21  <Bjarni> it might even have been in the old svn server
18:16:31  <kbrooks> old svn server?
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18:16:37  <Bjarni> yeah
18:16:39  <Bjarni> the old
18:16:40  <publunch> miaow
18:16:40  <Bjarni> one
18:17:05  <Bjarni> the one, that broke after a hacker attack and was lost, so we started a new one from revision 1
18:17:13  <Bjarni> no backup :(
18:17:28  <Sacro> grr, brb
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18:17:56  <Bjarni> I think it was near 2000 revisions, that was lost, so we used a checkout to make the new one
18:18:03  <kbrooks> i think subsidiaries will  definitely reduce the hassle :P
18:18:07  <Bjarni> check the log for revision 1
18:18:53  <hylje> Wolf01: what that bug did?
18:19:20  <Bjarni> hylje: depots worked like a normal rail when detecting signal blocks
18:19:23  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: 1987, iirc
18:19:26  <Wolf01> with my adjacent stations patch, an opponent train can go in my station
18:19:28  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: r1987
18:20:02  <Bjarni> so you could block an AI by adding tracks like in the screenshot
18:20:09  <Bjarni> the train will block itself and never leave
18:20:18  <Bjarni> same block on both sides of the signals
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18:21:01  <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: 1987 is near 2000 ;)
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18:22:23  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: yes, i didn't tell that it is far from that.. I just recalled the revision number
18:22:37  <Bjarni> nice memory
18:22:43  <kbrooks> why is <underlying infrastructure (road, rail, etc)> sharing good?
18:22:58  <kbrooks> in miniIN, i mean
18:23:08  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: i cannot guarantee that I'm right, however, I remember r1987 for being the last revision on the old svn server
18:23:13  <Bjarni> and I think you are right. I remember something like I was left with something ending with 6 and it was one revision from the head revision
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18:23:28  <Wolf01> yes like that, but also trains can't enter stations ->
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18:23:49  <kbrooks> why is <underlying infrastructure (road, rail, etc)> sharing good?
18:24:22  <Bjarni> Wolf01: nice screenshot :D
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18:24:29  <kbrooks> (miniIN) and why tax opponent vehicles using a station? doesnt seem to make sense
18:24:35  <Wolf01> and if a train is already in the station, it can go over my station
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19:13:04  <kbrooks> question.
19:13:28  <MiHaMiX> answer.
19:13:40  <Sacro> conclusion
19:13:43  <kbrooks> what does "wagon removal" in a typical  replace vehicles dialog do?
19:13:57  <Sacro> makes sure that when you refit a train, it isnt longer
19:14:05  <kbrooks> why?
19:14:36  <Sacro> because you can go from 20x 5/8 length, to 20 x 8/8 length
19:14:51  <Sacro> giving you  a 20x3 (60) extra length
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19:22:12  <Bjarni> kbrooks: it ensures that autoreplace will not make your train longer. Say you got a normal engine and 5 wagons (3 tiles in total) and you autoreplace the engine into a dualheaded one, then you will have 7 units (4 tiles). Wagon removal will then remove wagons until it's the original tile length (in this case one wagon so the train is 3 tiles long again)
19:22:26  <Bjarni> this will avoid  problems with station lengths
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19:27:49  <Sacro> i wonder where RichK is
19:27:59  <Bjarni> well
19:28:07  <Bjarni> I know where he isn't
19:28:11  <Bjarni> that's a start
19:28:19  <Bjarni> he is not on Mars
19:28:25  <Neonox> :)
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19:28:52  <Bjarni> also, he is not in this channel either
19:29:18  <Bjarni> see, we are already cutting down the number of possible locations
19:29:49  <Bjarni> ahh, found him
19:29:52  <Bjarni> he is in UK
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19:31:16  <Sacro> Bjarni: your wierd
19:31:55  <Bjarni> look whose talking
19:32:12  <Bjarni> *who is
19:32:24  <Sacro> who is == whose
19:32:39  <Bjarni> yeah
19:32:41  <JohnUK89> who is <> whose
19:32:46  <JohnUK89> who is == who's :P
19:32:55  <Bjarni> see, I rest my case
19:33:13  <Bjarni> I'm better than Sacro at Sacro's native language :D
19:33:21  <JohnUK89> lol
19:33:41  * Sacro kicks the english language
19:33:57  <Bjarni> well, you don't write it, that's for sure :p
19:34:01  <JohnUK89> English sucks, it's a stupid language
19:34:07  <Bjarni> no
19:34:13  <lws1984> English Rocks!
19:34:19  <lws1984> but not American "English"
19:34:19  <Bjarni> now this is weird
19:34:33  <Sacro> im gonna learn dutch
19:34:46  <Bjarni> oh, that will really go well :p
19:34:55  <JohnUK89> I want to learn Esperanto :P
19:35:06  <Bjarni> now that's just plain silly
19:35:11  <JohnUK89> Lol
19:35:31  <Bjarni> almost as silly as learning Dutch
19:35:46  <JohnUK89> Maybe...but if I do maybe I could translate OpenTTD onto it ;-)
19:35:51  <JohnUK89> into*
19:35:54  <Sacro> could be worse, could BE dutch ;)
19:36:01  <Naksu> someone needs to translate ottd into klingon
19:36:07  <Sacro> phwoar
19:36:11  <lws1984> hey, the dutch are cool, they make good beer!
19:36:12  <Born_Acorn> American English is another phrase for Engrish!
19:36:27  <Bjarni> Naksu: is it you, who already said that like 3 or 4 times already?
19:36:27  <lws1984> but Engrish is funnier than American English
19:36:40  <Bjarni> it could also be other people... I didn't really notice
19:36:46  <lws1984> Naksu: maybe you shold, do you speak Klingon?
19:36:48  <JohnUK89> We came up with English first, the Americans changed it to suit them :-p
19:36:50  <Sacro> i hate american english
19:37:05  <Sacro> oh, and WTF is "International English", im gonna e-mail Adobe and ask them....
19:37:07  <lws1984> American English is teh suxxors
19:37:07  <Bjarni> Sacro: then why do you use grammar like them?
19:37:23  <Bjarni> Sacro: tell me the result... I wondered about that as well
19:37:29  <JohnUK89> Sacro, Aussie English I would have thought
19:37:33  <Born_Acorn> Colourisation!
19:37:39  <Bjarni> I think it's simplified English for non-English people
19:38:02  <JohnUK89> Well that sucks, why can't they localise it properly? :)
19:38:11  <Bjarni> kind of like kids books. They remove the hard words
19:38:43  <Sacro> i mean surely theres only 1 english...and thats from ENGLAND
19:38:54  <lws1984> rather.
19:38:58  <Sacro> and its coloUr
19:39:05  <lws1984> and organiSe
19:39:25  <lws1984> i never did well in school, my family had me trained on real English spelling
19:39:36  <JohnUK89> and chips, not fries :P
19:39:37  <Bjarni> Engrish: {BLACK}Total cargo capacity of this train: -> {BLACK}train cargo capacity of cargo:
19:39:49  <Bjarni> now that would actually be funny to make a full translation like that XD
19:40:09  <JohnUK89> Bjarni, rather you than me :-D
19:40:11  <Sacro> Bjarni: ooh yes, and a l33t conversion
19:40:18  <Sacro> Op3nTTD
19:40:32  * Bjarni permbans Sacro
19:40:37  <Sacro> wow, heres a class word "Tierkoerperbeseitigungsgesetz"
19:40:37  <Bjarni> l33t is banned in this channeæ
19:40:39  <JohnUK89> Oi, it's Op3n77D xD
19:40:41  <Bjarni> *channel
19:40:56  <lws1984> 1337 Transport pwns n00b & Co.
19:41:13  <Sacro> JohnUK89: its t3h roxxorz
19:41:22  <JohnUK89> Damn right
19:41:26  <Bjarni> that reminds me of the talk about the MP game nobody could join because it had the map size 1337x1337
19:41:30  <hylje> o rly!
19:41:31  <Bjarni> TrueLight was having fun :)
19:42:06  <Sacro> hylje: ya rly
19:42:13  <hylje> :D
19:42:26  <hylje> that reminds me
19:42:29  * Bjarni sets the channel language back to English
19:42:31  <hylje> i want a orly translation
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19:42:50  <ericg> i think my transfers are broken :|
19:42:51  * JohnUK89 wants to play OTTD online, but is on a GPRS connection with near-on 1000ms pings
19:42:52  * Sacro sets Bjarni to french
19:42:55  <hylje> run a s/.*?/orly/g
19:42:58  <Sacro> ah well, pub, back later
19:43:13  <lws1984> ooh, Swedish Chef OTTD!
19:43:14  <ericg> i have trucks bringing wheat from a farm to a station
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19:43:23  <Bjarni> Sacro: no way I'm doing french for you O_O
19:43:24  <ericg> set to full load then transfer+unload
19:43:25  <JohnUK89> lws1984: Bork Bork!!
19:43:27  <lws1984> Putten ze train in ze depot, bork bork bork!
19:43:35  <ericg> and a train waiting at the station, set to full load
19:43:38  <ericg> what am i doing wrong
19:43:52  <hylje> or
19:44:01  <hylje> an AAAAAAAAA translation?
19:44:05  <hylje> for the l33t among us
19:44:07  <ericg> the trucks pop up Transfer: $money when they hit the depot
19:44:27  <hylje> (! )
19:44:44  <lws1984> AAAA AAAAA AA AAAAA!
19:44:48  <ericg> aa.
19:45:15  <lws1984> AAAA?
19:45:26  <Bjarni> AAA A AAAAAAA
19:45:31  <hylje> AAAA A AAA AAA!
19:45:50  <hylje> AA AAAA AA AAAAAAA?
19:46:01  * Bjarni sets his IRC client to use a new font
19:46:15  <Bjarni> this one is clearly broken. All I see is a lot of A chars
19:46:37  <ericg> AAAAA: AAAAA?
19:46:41  <Bjarni> the next guy to use A will be kicked
19:46:45  <kbrooks> lol Bjarni
19:46:56  <ericg> ok seriously
19:46:58  <kbrooks> kick ericg!!! kick kick kick!
19:46:59  * JohnUK89 stops :P
19:47:01  <ericg> why isn't this wheat transfering
19:47:14  * Bjarni kicks ericg
19:47:20  <Bjarni> he used an "a"
19:47:29  <ericg> it wasn't uppercase
19:47:31  <ericg> :P
19:47:37  <Neonox> :))
19:47:41  <Bjarni> I'm not case sensitive
19:47:54  <hylje> /topic <@Bjarni> the next guy to use A will be kicked
19:47:55  <JohnUK89> Bjarni, Windows user then? :P
19:47:56  <Rubidium> then you should have kicked kbrooks
19:48:02  <SpComb> 22:46:45 < kbrooks> lol Bjarni
19:48:07  <lws1984> i'm windows sensitive!
19:48:14  <Bjarni> people have often complained about that when I edit the Makefile... it works for me and very few else when I mix up the case in paths
19:48:15  <ericg> does miniIN have broken transfers or something?
19:51:07  * JohnUK89 now officially hates nvidia :-\
19:51:39  <hylje> ?
19:51:59  <kbrooks> JohnUK89: who cares?
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19:52:07  <JohnUK89> kbrooks: noone :P
19:52:09  <ericg> nvidia probably doesn't
19:53:11  <JohnUK89> nvidia don't really care about anyone but themselves, and their money, of course
19:53:20  <kbrooks> any tips on getting my rating up?
19:53:31  <kbrooks> from "appalling"
19:53:42  <kbrooks> town rating FYI
19:54:05  <JohnUK89> kbrooks, planting trees tends to help a bit
19:54:13  <JohnUK89> but plant lots :P
19:54:36  <kbrooks> anymore tips?
19:55:36  <lordpaavo> time and bribing, dunno if transferring passengers/mail in that town have any effect
19:56:35  <ericg> speaking of transfers :P
19:56:38  <ericg> what am i doing wrong.
19:56:55  <kbrooks> Now my rating is medicore
20:01:29  <Bjarni> <JohnUK89>	Bjarni, Windows user then? :P <-- are you asking me if I use windows?
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20:02:47  <Bjarni> *	JohnUK89 now officially hates nvidia :-\ <-- me too. ATi always just worked for me and GeForce always had driver issues
20:02:54  <Bjarni> that is my experience
20:03:56  <ericg> nvidia's drivers are awful
20:03:58  <kbrooks> appaling -> medicore -> poor ... right?
20:05:00  <ericg> poor - mediocre i think
20:05:13  <kbrooks> They work for me
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20:05:24  <kbrooks> ericg: i mean UP
20:05:34  <ericg> that's what i mean
20:05:43  <kbrooks> and the lowest rating iss appalling, iirc
20:05:43  <ericg> appalling -> poor -> mediocre
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20:06:40  <MiHaMiX> appalling -> poor -> mediocre -> good -> excellent -> outstanding
20:07:48  <kbrooks> ericg: ok
20:07:50  <hylje> there should be a "AAAAAAAAA" rating at 100€
20:07:52  <hylje> 100%
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20:08:07  <hylje> :<
20:08:15  <ericg> heh
20:08:24  <MiHaMiX> hylje: memento Bjarni
20:08:25  <hylje> and besides, theres 'very poor', 'very med-- good' ratings too
20:08:31  <kbrooks> i'm  "very poor" :-_)
20:08:42  <ericg> very mediocre?
20:09:01  <MiHaMiX> hylje: yes, appalling -> very poor -> poor -> mediocre -> good -> excellent -> outstanding
20:09:14  <hylje> very good after good
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20:09:19  <MiHaMiX> hmm
20:09:22  <MiHaMiX> probably
20:09:28  <ericg> very good, no very mediocre
20:09:32  <ericg> that wouldn't make sense
20:09:35  <hylje> very null
20:09:41  <MiHaMiX> I rarely play with OpenTTD :-(
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20:11:21  <hylje> but what about that AAAAAAAA easter egg
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20:11:43  <MiHaMiX> hylje: -1
20:11:50  <JohnUK89> Stupid GPRS :(
20:11:52  <MiHaMiX> hylje: i'm against it.
20:11:55  <hylje> :<
20:12:16  <kbrooks> whats a easter egg :O
20:12:38  <hylje> what about the English->AAAAAAA translation then?
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20:13:16  <kbrooks> hylje: -1
20:13:26  <kbrooks> AAAAAAAAA is english :P
20:14:31  <Bjarni> <hylje>	there should be a "AAAAAAAAA" rating at 100€ <-- now that's a violation of the no A rule :p
20:14:52  <JohnUK89> Lmao
20:14:56  <Bjarni> oh I see MiHaMiX did a nice job
20:15:02  <Bjarni> but not good enough
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20:15:20  <MiHaMiX> hylje: you can do whatever translations you want, but we reserve the right to decide upon inclusion in the trunk :)
20:15:36  <hylje> :D
20:16:11  <Bjarni> oh wait, it was the name of the language, not the language... what to do now
20:16:39  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: i suggest you to skip this problem
20:16:42  <MiHaMiX> :)
20:17:22  <Bjarni> I can kick a whole lot of random people and then kbrooke will not feel special or left out
20:17:32  <eQualizer> Okay. Build ~2000 blocks long railroad. And a 50 blocks big stations to the each end. And 100 wagons (incl. 10 trains) long train.
20:17:55  <MiHaMiX> lol.... a java_vm process ate 195% CPU at my desktop computer
20:18:03  <hylje> so its multithreaded?
20:18:29  <MiHaMiX> hylje: I'm having an P4 HT processor, and yes, I assume :)
20:18:36  <MiHaMiX> hylje: it was just funny :D
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20:19:41  <eQualizer> hylje: Yes, of course.
20:21:15  <kbrooks> what is a 2  way asignal? :-)
20:21:57  <kbrooks> or....
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20:24:08  <eQualizer> Great. My train can take 2925 passengers and 875 mail bags. :)
20:24:25  <MiHaMiX> eQualizer: and ~60 carriage long?
20:24:37  <eQualizer> MiHaMiX: 100
20:24:41  <MiHaMiX> eQualizer: ...
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20:24:58  <eQualizer> 10 trains, 65 passenger wagons, 25 mail wagons.
20:25:06  <MiHaMiX> eQualizer: I assume the other end of the train is in the destination city
20:25:15  <eQualizer> MiHaMiX: Well... No :D
20:25:18  <MiHaMiX> eQualizer: you meant 10 engines?
20:25:22  <eQualizer> I did a 64x2048 scenario.
20:25:29  <eQualizer> MiHaMiX: Yes, engines.
20:25:43  <MiHaMiX> eQualizer: OMG, the train is longer than the width of the world :D
20:25:47  <eQualizer> And to both ends I build huge city complexs.
20:25:58  <ericg> custom scenario?
20:26:05  <eQualizer> MiHaMiX: Mmm, no...? It's only 50 blocks long.
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20:26:25  <eQualizer> Two wagons are one block.
20:26:26  <hylje> @MiHaMiX> I rarely play with OpenTTD :-(
20:26:29  <hylje> !
20:27:04  <MiHaMiX> eQualizer: hmm, really, sorry
20:27:21  <MiHaMiX> i'm soo sleepy.. and I have to get up early tomorrow...
20:27:27  <MiHaMiX> so.. good night all :)
20:27:39  <eQualizer> MiHaMiX: Oh, and the stations are 50 blocks long.
20:28:10  <MiHaMiX> eQualizer: fu**ing realistic..
20:29:21  <hylje> fuck realism
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20:29:57  <ericg> okay i'm really wanting to know why transfers aren't working
20:29:58  <eQualizer> I did this solely to see how much money I can make by building longest possible train. :D
20:30:03  <ericg> i just did a test
20:30:18  <ericg> i have a coal truck loading at a mine and transfering at a depot
20:30:24  <ericg> and another truck waiting at that depot
20:30:29  <ericg> the transferred 20t of coal never show up
20:30:41  <ericg> but the transferring truck is emptied
20:32:57  <fusey> are you sure the other truck didn't pick it up before you noticed?
20:33:12  <ericg> i'm positive
20:33:15  <ericg> because it never fills up
20:33:16  <fusey> 20t isn't a full load is it
20:33:19  <fusey> oh ok
20:33:22  <ericg> for these crappy early ones it is
20:33:32  <ericg> and i can't get the new rv set working
20:33:51  <fusey> which build you using
20:33:58  <ericg> 5722 miniin
20:34:04  <ericg> latest
20:35:14  <kbrooks> (i use 5722 FYI)
20:35:33  <kbrooks> BRB
20:35:36  <kbrooks> bathroom
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20:38:52  <JohnUK89> brb
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21:11:03  <Gonozal_VIII> transfers don't work because of a bug in economy.c rev 5661
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21:12:26  <ericg> :(
21:12:32  <ericg> thanks
21:13:45  <Gonozal_VIII> i loaded the head svn and replaced the economy.c file with the one from rev 5660 and it works
21:15:32  <ericg> i've got xcode on this box and i suppose i could do that
21:15:35  <ericg> but i don't really want to ;d
21:17:55  <CIA-5> rubidium * r5812 /branches/TGP/ (24 files in 4 dirs): [TGP] -Sync: with trunk up to revision 5811
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22:06:47  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:41:45  <JohnUK89> Ello :)
22:42:08  <Sacro> JohnUK89: good evening
22:42:28  <JohnUK89> Evening Sacro
22:43:04  <JohnUK89> Just spent a good hour and a half trying to get these nvidia drivers working...and the buggers keep locking up as soon as X tries to load
22:44:44  <Sacro> which distro?
22:44:53  <JohnUK89> Ubuntu :-X
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22:45:09  <Sacro> ooh...have you checked their wiki?
22:45:27  <JohnUK89> Yep...followed the instructions to the letter
22:46:22  <JohnUK89> I'll install Fedora Core 5 tomorrow...bound to have more luck with that lol
22:47:06  <Sacro> well my 2 main distros are Arch for me, CentOS for servers, and Ubuntu for n00bs
22:47:16  <Sacro> hmm, thats 3 :)
22:47:36  <JohnUK89> Lol
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22:47:42  * JohnUK89 is a total Linux n00b
22:47:55  <Sacro> well then i'd recommend Ubuntu
22:48:03  <hylje> gentoo for ricers
22:48:04  <Sacro> or maybe *shudders* suse or mandriva
22:48:16  <Sacro> gentoo users should be shot
22:48:23  <hylje> i think at least 50% of linux people i know use gentoo.
22:48:43  <JohnUK89> Lol, I've used a couple of RPM based distros before, I'll try FC5
22:48:55  <Sacro> hylje: you know 1 who does and 1 who doesnt :)
22:48:57  <JohnUK89> Got the install CDs with me here :)
22:49:09  <hylje> Sacro: more than that
22:49:11  <Sacro> wait for FC6, it looks quite tasty
22:49:26  <JohnUK89> Sacro: any idea of a release date?
22:49:32  <hylje> Sacro: i met a couple of linuxers in the assembly demoparty this year
22:49:35  <lordpaavo> gentoo \o/
22:50:03  <Sacro> JohnUK89: they where up to RC2 last i saw, check distrowatch
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22:50:50  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I'll have to wait till September to get money at the moment...none coming in till September either
22:51:03  <JohnUK89> And me internet connection is complete pants
22:51:17  <Sacro> errr...linux is FREE
22:51:31  <JohnUK89> Sacro, I was gonna order some
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22:51:46  <JohnUK89> RH dont use shipit ;-)
22:51:47  <Sacro> seeing as your in the UK, i could be nice enough to download and mail you a distro
22:51:49  <lordpaavo>
22:52:11  <Sacro> lordpaavo: pmsl
22:52:16  <JohnUK89> Ooh lol that an offer? :P
22:52:38  <Sacro> JohnUK89: yeah, what do you want, ive got a fair few ISOs laying around
22:53:19  <JohnUK89> Sacro, anything that is reasonably easy to get me nvidia drivers working on, and that supports SATA out of the box lol
22:53:37  <BurningFeetMan> Good morning
22:53:39  <JohnUK89> I hate having to use an old IDE drive
22:53:49  <Sacro> well i use Arch, but then the installer requires knowledge of configuring linux from the console with either vim or nano
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22:54:06  <JohnUK89> Sacro: not a chance for me then lol
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22:55:17  <Sacro> well i would still recommend Ubuntu 6.06
22:55:29  <JohnUK89> I'm only using 5.10 at the moment lol
22:56:05  <Sacro> well nip out to your local WHSmith and get yourself a copy of this months Linux Format
22:56:14  <JohnUK89> Sacro: No money :P
22:56:26  <JohnUK89> I'll order a coupla CDs from ShipIt
22:56:31  <Sacro> shame, it has Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu on the CD
22:56:51  <JohnUK89> Damn :(
22:56:51  <Sacro> ShipIt takes ages ive heard
22:56:56  <JohnUK89> Yeah it does
22:56:57  <JohnUK89> Lol
22:57:01  <Sacro> what speed net u got?
22:57:02  <JohnUK89> Bout a month last time
22:57:07  <JohnUK89> Erm...dialup
22:57:28  <Sacro> ack
22:57:37  <JohnUK89> Told you it was useless lol
22:57:43  <Sacro> well it'll only cost me the price of a stamp and an envelope and a blank cd to mail you it
22:58:40  <JohnUK89> And it supports SATA OOTB?
22:58:55  <Sacro> not sure
22:59:03  <JohnUK89> I'll have a look lol
22:59:08  <BurningFeetMan> Anyone download the AOL search database that they released into the wild recently? Pretty hairy stuff :S
22:59:19  <Sacro> BurningFeetMan: i got it
23:00:06  <Sacro> JohnUK89: it does appear to
23:00:20  <JohnUK89> Sacro, ooh nice one :)
23:00:26  <BurningFeetMan> Sacro, funniest search term thus far "Hairy Bear Small Penis"
23:00:59  <hylje> what the fuck
23:03:14  <BurningFeetMan> hylje, you've heard about this AOL thing right?
23:03:32  <hylje> no
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23:04:28  <BurningFeetMan> They released 2 gig of users search queries :D
23:04:36  <BurningFeetMan> and the website they clicked on
23:04:46  <Sacro> yep
23:05:08  <Sacro> JohnUK89: well i have the Ubuntu live cd, and the alternate install cd
23:05:25  <Sacro> i could also download the DVD
23:06:00  * Sacro has just realised what ootb means...
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23:12:43  <JohnUK89> Bah, stinkin dialup
23:13:44  <Sacro> JohnUK89: welcome back :)
23:13:50  <Sacro> adsl is dirt cheap now isnt it?
23:13:52  <JohnUK89> Sacro: Cheers :)
23:14:04  <JohnUK89> Sacro: can't get it...too far from exchange :(
23:14:15  <Sacro> really?
23:14:20  <JohnUK89> Yeah
23:14:22  <Sacro> my mate used to be, so he got satellite net
23:14:39  <JohnUK89> Can't afford £1500 for the setup costs lol
23:15:00  <Sacro> ouch
23:15:05  <Eddi|zuHause> <Sacro> wow, heres a class word "Tierkoerperbeseitigungsgesetz" <- what's wrong with the word?
23:15:15  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: its impressivly long
23:15:21  <Sacro> and ive forgotten quite what it means
23:15:41  <Eddi|zuHause> that is a perfectly fine law-german word ;)
23:15:56  <Sacro> my mate was saying the other day how germans have long stupid words
23:15:57  <Eddi|zuHause> german is full of that stuff ;)
23:16:05  <Sacro> i replied that its cos they lack space bars
23:16:22  <Sacro> which in many ways is quite useful
23:16:28  <Eddi|zuHause> the best one is "Heizölrückstoßabdämpfung"
23:16:44  <Eddi|zuHause> which is special, because it contains each letter only once
23:16:53  <Sacro> wow, whats it mean?
23:16:57  <Eddi|zuHause> and is the longest such word ;)
23:17:05  <Eddi|zuHause> it does not actually mean anything
23:17:10  <Sacro> d'oh :(
23:17:20  <Eddi|zuHause> it's an artificial word
23:17:27  <JohnUK89> Lol
23:18:49  <Brianetta> What's the point in having a revision control system like subversion if all the development tasks get separate branches?  Surely all the work saved is returned in spades when branches have to be merged, not just with the trunk, but with every other branch.
23:19:20  <Eddi|zuHause> Heizöl <- heating oil, Rückstoß <- backfire, Abdämpfung <- damping(?)
23:20:25  <Sacro> wow, this music is amazing
23:20:36  <JohnUK89> Sacro: what music is it?
23:20:39  <Sacro> its like being stoned...but cheaper
23:20:47  <Sacro> JohnUK89: The Classical Chillout Album
23:21:01  <JohnUK89> Not my style, that lol
23:21:21  <Sacro> whilst looking at Windows Vista
23:22:21  <JohnUK89> Lol got a dvd of beta 2 somewhere...not installing it though
23:22:24  <Eddi|zuHause> Classical Chillout? that better not contain Wagner or Beethoven ;)
23:23:02  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: no, dont think it does
23:23:25  <Eddi|zuHause> those are not exactly known as the chilling type ;)
23:23:36  <Sacro> JohnUK89: me neither...but it wont be before long that i need to
23:23:44  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: i think Beethoven is good
23:23:58  <Sacro> and so is Wagner, despite his "outlook" on life
23:24:03  <Eddi|zuHause> nobody denied htat
23:24:23  <Eddi|zuHause> it just would not fit on a "chill" cd
23:24:36  <Sacro> true
23:24:44  <Sacro> though i quite fancy playing Ride of the Valkyries
23:25:20  <Sacro> grr, does ExtremeTech have some kind of fetish with next and back buttons
23:29:11  <JohnUK89> Lol
23:29:32  <JohnUK89> Hmm I appear to be lagging badly
23:30:55  <Sacro> 1.89 second ping...
23:31:00  <JohnUK89> ewww
23:31:47  <JohnUK89> thats a nasty ping, even by my standards :-X
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23:32:22  <JohnUK89> Now every bugger starts pinging me :P
23:32:44  <Sacro> hehe :)
23:33:00  <JohnUK89> stop making my connection! :P
23:33:03  <JohnUK89> maxing*
23:33:57  <Eddi|zuHause> bugger... i need to be registered to ping :p
23:34:05  <JohnUK89> lol
23:34:25  <Eddi|zuHause> did i once mention that i fucking hate java?
23:34:42  <JohnUK89> sunno lol not exactly an IRC regular
23:34:45  <JohnUK89> dunno*
23:35:12  <Sacro> some people live on irc...
23:35:30  <Eddi|zuHause> i also need to be registered to send ping replies, apparently ;)
23:35:33  <JohnUK89> Yeah my brother used to...sad bugger he was
23:35:57  <JohnUK89> well he was until i discovered IRC :P
23:36:58  <Sacro> heh
23:37:14  <JohnUK89> Cant see meself LIVING on here though
23:37:23  * Brianetta pulls the plug on his nightly and thinks about going to bed
23:37:57  <Sacro> :o PULLS THE PLUG
23:38:12  <Eddi|zuHause> that'd be fun ;)
23:38:12  <Sacro> Brianetta: why oh why
23:38:38  <Sacro> Brianetta: how about a MiniIN server?
23:38:45  <Brianetta> Why?
23:39:09  <Brianetta> Virtually none of the MiniIN features are going to be included in the trunk
23:39:15  <Sacro> because its cooler than trunk
23:39:24  <Sacro> yeah, i know, hence i dont play trunk anymore
23:39:53  <JohnUK89> That reminds me...need to apt-get sdl_devel lol
23:40:00  <Brianetta> I might try MiniIN when it stops pretending to be some sort of bleeding edge development version of OpenTTD
23:40:25  <Sacro> it does come off as that kinda thing
23:40:38  <Brianetta> It's a separate piece of software, but is being kept up to date with trunk
23:41:16  <Brianetta> So no, I'm not going to be beta-testing that
23:41:39  <Brianetta> I might run a stable server
23:41:52  <Brianetta> perhaps once 5.0 is out
23:42:34  <Brianetta> anyway, it's bed time
23:42:37  <Sacro> yeah, i dont want to play without elrails, and all the newgrf stuff missing
23:42:40  <Sacro> night mate
23:42:40  <Brianetta> night all
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23:43:29  <JohnUK89> argh i hate my net connection :(
23:44:24  <JohnUK89> Anyone want a lodger? O:-)
23:45:15  <Sacro> JohnUK89: hehe, where abouts do you live?
23:45:32  <JohnUK89> Between Leeds and York
23:46:02  <JohnUK89> And by between, I mean right next to the road that joins em :P
23:47:13  <Sacro> ooh, the a64
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23:47:23  <JohnUK89> Yep
23:47:27  <Sacro> i live in beverley
23:47:57  <JohnUK89> <lives just where the A1 and A64 cross lol
23:48:21  <Sacro> hmm, im sure ive been there
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23:48:32  <Sacro> its a huuuuuuuge junction
23:48:42  <JohnUK89> Nah, just a roundabout :P
23:49:15  <Sacro> hmm, i dont know if ive been there since it was built
23:49:34  <Sacro> ah, i must have been when en route to ripon
23:49:41  <JohnUK89> Lol it used to be a crossroads...just one went over the top of the other
23:49:56  <Sacro> yeah, i remember that
23:50:17  <JohnUK89> Now there's a road to Aberford coming off it, as well a a sliproad to my place
23:51:08  <Sacro> yeah
23:51:38  <JohnUK89> A full sliproad for 5 or 6
23:51:48  <Sacro> sweet
23:51:54  <Sacro> well here they are building a new bypass
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23:52:09  <Sacro> but currently they have this massive wide road, that goes to 2 estates
23:52:14  <JohnUK89> Aah yeah?
23:52:23  <Sacro> and then just ends with 5 concrete bollards, and a cycle path
23:52:33  <JohnUK89> Lol
23:53:43  <JohnUK89> Well...when I said it was a full goes down to a single
23:53:53  <JohnUK89> pothole-filled thing it is
23:54:57  <Sacro> fun
23:55:12  <JohnUK89> Yeah, especially since I have no car lol
23:56:25  <Sacro> even more fun
23:56:32  <JohnUK89> Hehe
23:56:48  <JohnUK89> I love my pushbike :P
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23:57:07  <Sacro> i just bought one, but its got a broken valve :(
23:57:28  <JohnUK89> Damn :(
23:58:09  <Sacro> yeah, have to take it back to halfords and get it replaced
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23:58:23  <JohnUK89> Hate Halfords lol
23:58:34  <Sacro> hmm, me too, but it was cheap, from 190 down to 120
23:58:43  <JohnUK89> Aah
23:58:51  * JohnUK89 just got a cheap one
23:59:00  <JohnUK89> As long as it gets me from A to B I'm happy
23:59:06  <Sacro> yeah, well this is full suspension, and front disc brake
23:59:13  <JohnUK89> Aah
23:59:17  <JohnUK89> No fancy stuff here :P
23:59:22  <Sacro> its just to get me around beverley, and anywhere else i need to go
23:59:33  <JohnUK89> Yeah
23:59:44  <Sacro> like if i get a job in Hull/York/somewhere, i can ride to/from the train

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