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07:45:28  <DarkSSH> OpenTTD has moved to #openttd. Please change your bookmarks as this channel is 'dead'. Sorry for the inconvenience
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07:54:13  <Tron> Attention! This channel has been abandoned, please leave it in an orderly manner and head over to #openttd on OFTC, don't run! This i not a drill!
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08:18:23  <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5872 /trunk/ (Makefile media/openttd.32.bmp sdl.c sdl.h video/sdl_v.c): - Feature: Add an icon to the SDL openttd executable.
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17:25:42  <Brianetta> My IRC client has a server dialogue, and not a mention o f a bookmark anywhere in it.
17:25:55  <Brianetta> Autoconnect, yes.  Bookmark, no.
17:26:31  <SpComb> boo
17:26:34  <Brianetta> If we're going to use browser terminology, it would better be describes as a home page.
17:26:48  <SpComb> well, now the logs should point at the right place
17:26:52  <SpComb> damm you for moving!
17:26:53  <Bjarni> my IRC app created a bookmark for me because I went there so often or something. I never made it myself :)
17:26:55  <Wolf01> bookmarks on irc client?
17:27:08  <Bjarni> clever app
17:27:11  <Brianetta> Wolf01: I know, it's a bit Mac Classic
17:27:32  <Wolf01> i have "favourites" in mIRC
17:27:36  <Brianetta> ew
17:27:47  <Bjarni> if I know the address to a server and a channel and use it often enough, then it figures out that I don't want to remember it and remembers it for me :p
17:27:52  <SpComb> hmm, do I need to tweak my irc stats or can I drop those as well?
17:27:53  <Brianetta> I have a huge list of servers, some of which have "autoconnect" ticked
17:28:17  <Bjarni> that would be considered bookmarks in this case
17:28:29  <Brianetta> It;s more like home pages
17:28:34  <Bjarni> SpComb: well....
17:28:35  <Bjarni> !logs
17:28:41  <Bjarni> !stats
17:28:41  <DorpsGek>
17:28:43  <SpComb> oops
17:28:46  <Brianetta> I never select a bookmark, as I might in a browser
17:28:48  * SpComb tweaks a bit more
17:28:58  <Brianetta> It's not possible to add a current connection to the server list, either
17:29:04  <Brianetta> You type the stuf fin yourself
17:29:14  <Brianetta> Hardly a bookmark
17:29:21  <SpComb> someone want to !logs again?
17:29:24  <Brianetta> It's an utterly different paradigm
17:29:26  <SpComb> Logs:
17:29:26  <lws1984> !logs
17:29:28  <SpComb> Logs:
17:29:28  <Brianetta> !logs
17:29:40  <lws1984> *ahem* SPAM *ahem*
17:29:40  <SpComb> hmm, TLs stats smell
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17:29:54  <SpComb> Logs:
17:29:54  <Brianetta> !logs
17:31:01  <Bjarni> if everybody says !logs all the time, the we can flood SpComb out
17:31:06  <SpComb> :(
17:31:14  <SpComb> 'tis true, I don't have flood protection on it
17:31:15  <Bjarni> he will generate way more traffic than we do if we join in on it
17:31:22  <SpComb> but that would be mean
17:31:32  <Bjarni> you are right...
17:31:37  <Bjarni> LET'S DO IT
17:31:39  <Bjarni> :p
17:32:18  <Bjarni> well on freenode just mentioning flooding would flood you
17:32:21  <SpComb> <-- "During this 170-day reporting period, a total of 621 different nicks were represented on #openttd.
17:32:51  <Bjarni> it manage to flood me out 3 times yesterday while I was doing other stuff (completely idle on IRC)
17:32:54  <Bjarni> that sucks
17:32:56  <SpComb> my stats have 170 days of logs to offer... I can add a !stats trigger if one wants me to
17:33:00  <SpComb> well, TL's has 2 days
17:33:43  <SpComb> in any case, it's acessible from the stats link on the logs page
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17:41:07  <mikk36> what happened to old freenode chan ?
17:41:13  <mikk36> why did it die ?
17:41:16  <lws1984> it was become evil
17:41:20  <SpComb> fleenode is evil!
17:41:23  <SpComb> *fleanode
17:41:33  <mikk36> ?
17:42:02  <ln-> mikk36: freenode sucks
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17:42:14  <mikk36> how ? :)
17:42:39  <lws1984> lilo.
17:42:43  <lws1984> that's all you need to know.
17:42:48  <ln-> mikk36: see
17:43:01  <mikk36> i know that site
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18:02:23  <Wolf01> i feel the missing of CIA :'(
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18:03:14  <JohnUK89> Wolf01: don't you mean miss the feeling of?
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18:03:40  <Sutherland> hello
18:04:07  <SpComb> Logs:
18:04:07  <Trenskow> !logs
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18:05:22  <OwenS> Aah, it's good to be back..
18:05:46  <Sutherland> is this an channel for openttd as in open transport tycoon deluxe
18:05:58  <lws1984> indeed
18:06:06  <Sutherland> COOL :D
18:06:17  <Sutherland> i love that game :D
18:06:19  <OwenS> Although it's officially OpenTTD, since Open Transport Tycoon Delux would be trademark infringement
18:06:23  <OwenS> This is THE channel for it
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18:06:52  <Sutherland> so its inhere all of u psychos railroad builders are?
18:07:21  <OwenS> And the devs
18:07:29  <Sutherland> devs?
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18:07:34  <OwenS> Developers
18:07:41  <Sutherland> cool :D
18:07:58  <Wolf01> and twisted guys as sacro
18:08:05  <Bjarni> yeah
18:08:15  <Bjarni> we keep Sacro as an example of what not to do
18:08:15  <Sutherland> wow i already love this channel :D
18:08:16  <lws1984> and clumsy loonies like yours truly!
18:08:28  <Wolf01> he is the jolly joker
18:08:37  <JohnUK89> And complete nutters like Bjarni ;-)
18:08:45  <XeryusTC> Bjarni: what are you then? something we shouldn't have at all?
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18:09:11  <Sutherland> HAHA :D
18:09:14  <OwenS> Rofl
18:09:15  <Bjarni> XeryusTC: I'm already mentioned
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18:09:23  <JohnUK89> point proven :-D
18:09:41  <XeryusTC> Bjarni: he was just a bit quicker :(
18:09:55  <Bjarni> no, not that
18:09:58  <Bjarni> :p
18:10:03  <Bjarni> <OwenS>	And the devs
18:10:23  <OwenS> It's NOT fun completely dismantlinf your PC, removing the heatsink, turning over the motherboard, carefuly poking out AMD's mounting bracket, then having to mess on with getting it working again :P
18:10:25  <XeryusTC> :o you're a dev too?
18:10:34  <OwenS> JUST because the damn fan on the stock heatsink broke! POS!
18:10:41  * Bjarni slaps XeryusTC
18:11:10  * XeryusTC cries
18:11:20  <XeryusTC> i was only kiddin' :'((((((((((
18:11:23  * lws1984 pats XeryusTC on teh back
18:11:34  * XeryusTC huggles lws1984
18:11:38  <Bjarni> XeryusTC: well, I made a release binary as early as 0.1.4
18:11:39  <Bjarni> and I had to port the game first
18:11:59  <peter1138> anyone can do that
18:12:08  <XeryusTC> rofl
18:12:21  <Bjarni> peter1138: sure, now that I showed them how to do it :p
18:12:32  <peter1138> :D
18:12:42  * peter1138 mutters
18:12:43  <XeryusTC> Bjarni: i ported it to my own w2k pc! :P
18:12:47  <peter1138> first my adsl died
18:13:05  <peter1138> pthen my telephone line is completely out of action
18:13:19  <OwenS> Nothing that can have happened is worse than having the heatsink on your CPU die...
18:13:19  <Bjarni> peter1138: oh I tried that as well
18:13:29  <peter1138> so i'm using someone's unsecured wifi via a pda
18:13:33  <Bjarni> then I plugged in the computer again and the phone started working again
18:13:47  <OwenS> peter1138: Oh, possibly
18:13:57  <XeryusTC> OwenS: how can a heatsink die, it is just a piece of metal that doesn't move or anything
18:14:03  <OwenS> The fan on it...
18:14:11  <Sutherland> what irc network are this channel on?
18:14:12  <Bjarni> disconnecting the DSL/phone filter cut off the phone that was not even routed though the filter
18:14:17  <peter1138> the keyboard of which has no escape, nor pgup/down
18:14:48  <JohnUK89> Sutherland: OFTC
18:14:48  <Bjarni> <XeryusTC>	Bjarni: i ported it to my own w2k pc! :P <-- well, I took a code hardcoded to little endian and ported it to a big endian system
18:14:51  <Wolf01> OwenS, news about the nand patch?
18:14:57  <peter1138> Bjarni: bt say it'll be fixed on the 17th
18:14:58  <orudge> Aargh, stupid highlight
18:15:06  <orudge> I told it to highlight "owen", but it decides to highlight "OwenS" too
18:15:09  <XeryusTC> Bjarni: you already told me that once
18:15:11  <orudge> Can't OwenS change his name? I was here first! ;p
18:15:12  <Wolf01> lol
18:15:12  <peter1138> i move out on the 18th...
18:15:14  <Bjarni> peter1138: ok, then it's not a filter issue
18:15:18  <Bjarni> peter1138: LOL
18:15:33  <XeryusTC> peter1138: rofl
18:15:48  <Bjarni> <Sutherland>	what irc network are this channel on? <-- I hate to ask you this, but.... how did you connect if you don't know that? :p
18:16:09  <OwenS> orudge: Even worse, I'm Owen on TT-Forums :P
18:16:53  <Sutherland> hehe i connectet via an java irc to get on an other channel the i saw that there was a channel named and the i just joined that one
18:16:53  <orudge> Ah, is THAT you?
18:16:55  * peter1138 ponders hand applying svn revisions
18:16:57  <orudge> :p
18:17:09  <Bjarni> orudge: now we know who to ban
18:17:13  <orudge> ;>
18:17:36  <OwenS> :(
18:17:46  <Bjarni> he is even an American
18:17:51  <OwenS> I am not!
18:17:55  <XeryusTC> he's english
18:17:56  <Sutherland> so.. what is the orc network?
18:18:00  <OwenS>
18:18:10  <OwenS> Iv'e only received one PM for you yet, and I forwarded you it :P
18:18:10  <Sutherland> okay thx :D
18:18:14  <Bjarni> whois says Waltham, MA, USA
18:18:21  <XeryusTC> <- OwenS is english :)
18:18:22  <Bjarni> but that might be the irc server
18:18:51  <OwenS> O.o
18:18:58  <OwenS> What IP
18:18:59  <OwenS> ?
18:19:23  <Bjarni>  /whois OwenS
18:19:27  <Bjarni> bbl dinner
18:19:33  <orudge> /meis OwenR
18:19:44  <OwenS> lol
18:19:57  <OwenS> <- Should be a UK IP :s
18:20:09  <Wolf01> i read owner XD
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18:20:33  <WolfAngel> U GUYS ROCK!!!
18:20:36  <WolfAngel> ^^
18:20:40  <orudge> Almost the same as my IP and everything
18:20:51  <orudge> well, not really
18:21:06  <Wolf01> how many wolfs more?
18:21:11  <WolfAngel> well...
18:21:16  <Patrick`> eighty-something is the UK isp block, as I recall
18:21:21  <WolfAngel> I'm just looking out for 'em
18:21:21  <orudge> Indeed
18:21:25  <Patrick`> check the iana or whoever it is that looks after them
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18:21:32  <Sutherland> hehe wolfangel is one of my friends :D a cool guy :D
18:21:35  <Patrick`> my last one was an 84
18:21:40  <WolfAngel> ^^ sure am
18:21:41  <Patrick`> my current is a 12-something
18:21:46  <orudge> My IP is usually Owen Rudge says:
18:21:47  <orudge> I'm OK, busy just now as is usual though
18:21:49  <orudge> whoops
18:21:53  <Patrick`> hah
18:22:04  <orudge> my IP is usually 138.251.* as that's the St Andrews uni block
18:22:08  <Sacro> someone called?
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18:22:28  <Sacro> [19:09] <Wolf01> and twisted guys as sacro <- i aint twisted :(
18:22:36  <Sacro> [19:10] <Bjarni> we keep Sacro as an example of what not to do <- :o
18:22:47  <OwenS> Haha :P
18:22:48  <JohnUK89> mine is 149.254.* (T-Mobile proxy) :P
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18:22:59  <Sacro> :D janet and john
18:23:50  <Sutherland> hmm why are everyone so mean against the sacro guy?
18:23:54  <Sutherland> or girl?..
18:23:57  <OwenS> My (http) proxy is and yet sits without any physical proximity to me
18:24:03  <OwenS> I think it was jokey :P
18:24:04  <Patrick`> calm down romeo, it'a a he
18:24:14  <Sutherland> hehe :D
18:24:14  * Sacro blushes
18:24:18  <JohnUK89> OwenS: strange lol
18:24:20  <Sutherland> :P
18:24:23  <Patrick`> yeah, for some reason a lot of people have the 127 block
18:24:33  <OwenS> Haha
18:24:37  <OwenS> JohnUK89: Fear the power of teh VPN! :P
18:24:50  <JohnUK89> OwenS: ahaaaa! :)
18:24:51  <Patrick`> OwenS: that's the big big private address space
18:24:59  <Patrick`> like, da huuuuuudge one
18:25:44  <OwenS> The PC i'm VPNing too has no network attached either (Except teh Internet :P)
18:26:10  <JohnUK89> OwenS: lol
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18:27:59  <SutherlandDK> yeah im in :D
18:28:07  <Sutherland> hey my self
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18:28:28  <WolfAngel> Back!
18:28:33  <WolfAngel> in my own client ^^
18:28:43  <SutherlandDK> me to ;D
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18:30:30  <OwenS> Aah, it's MUCH nicer not to be walking on a floor covered in dustbunies
18:30:43  <WolfAngel> why? ^^...
18:30:53  <SutherlandDK> what is dustbunies?
18:30:54  <OwenS> Dustbunnies itch
18:30:58  <OwenS> Big balls of dust
18:31:04  <SutherlandDK> hehe
18:31:07  <OwenS> Which, in this case, all came out of my PC case...
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18:31:14  <WolfAngel> ^^
18:31:21  <Sutherland> im disconnecting
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18:31:38  <SutherlandDK> oh no i diconnectet :D
18:32:23  <OwenS> Bloody hell
18:32:36  <OwenS> No wonder my old heatsink didn't cool any more!
18:32:41  <Patrick`> it fell off?
18:32:46  <OwenS> No
18:32:50  <OwenS> It's stuffed with dust!
18:32:58  <johans_> any ides how to not clog the mainline (2x2-maglev) when the rail climbs on 1 tile? it slows dpwn all traffic :(
18:33:04  <WolfAngel> wow... Wolfensteijn ... sounds kinda you know...? familiar...
18:35:10  <SutherlandDK> (CPU2) AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ @ 2200MHz ( 939Dual-SATA2 mainboard) (RAM) 2GB, 951.92MB free (HDDs) 229GB, 30.2GB free
18:35:10  <SutherlandDK> (VGA2) Radeon X1800 GTO Secondary (256MB), 1280x1024x32, 60Hz (OS) Microsoft Windows XP Professional (SP2), 10h 36m 5s uptime, 4d 8h 24m 20s uptime record
18:35:34  <SutherlandDK> damned wrong button sry..
18:35:39  <OwenS> lol
18:35:47  <OwenS> Nice CPU BTW :P
18:35:53  <SutherlandDK> thx :D
18:36:01  <Sacro> SutherlandDK: damn you for that spec
18:36:11  <SutherlandDK> hehe
18:36:15  <Wolfensteijn> WolfAngel> you talking to me, or to another wolf? ;)
18:36:15  <WolfAngel> as in allways
18:36:32  <WolfAngel> keep Sacro as a example on how not to do...
18:36:37  <Sacro> :p
18:36:40  <WolfAngel> donøt damn people
18:36:40  <SutherlandDK> hehe :D
18:36:45  <WolfAngel> don't*
18:36:48  <WolfAngel> ^^
18:37:30  <WolfAngel> yeah Wolfensteijn ... haven't you heard about the game...? spelled a little different
18:37:39  <SutherlandDK> owens what cpu do u got?
18:38:05  <Wolfensteijn> ah, hehe :)
18:38:08  <Sacro> whats with all the wolfs?
18:38:12  <Wolfensteijn> that's indeed where my nick comes from ;)
18:38:19  <Wolfensteijn> popular name?
18:38:51  <Patrick`> Sacro: I could offer an explanation but it would be true and seen as trolling
18:38:57  <WolfAngel> yeah... and nice one to ^^...
18:39:11  <Sacro> Patrick`: nowt wrong with trolling,i do it in a fair few channels
18:39:34  <Patrick`> still, I'd rather not.
18:41:00  <OwenS> SutherlandDK: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ S939
18:41:07  <Patrick`> OwenS: you too, huh?
18:41:10  <Patrick`> sucks, doesn't it
18:41:15  <OwenS> ?
18:41:19  <SutherlandDK> hehe
18:41:20  <Patrick`> "socket 939 will be the future!"
18:41:20  <WolfAngel> ... not 3800+ is the best! ^^...
18:41:24  <WolfAngel> no*
18:41:27  <OwenS> Haha
18:41:27  <Patrick`> 6 months later, "oops, we meant AM2"
18:41:36  <Sacro> havent they planned AM3 already?
18:41:37  <SutherlandDK> lol the 4200+ is better wolfangel :P
18:41:44  <JohnUK89> Sacro: same socket
18:41:47  <Patrick`> I was told it would become as long-lasting and futureproof as the socket A was
18:41:51  <Sacro> SutherlandDK: X2?
18:41:51  <Patrick`> and socket A is a trooper
18:41:52  <SpComb> the AM2 X2 5000+ costs 400 euros!
18:41:55  <JohnUK89> Just an integrated DDR3 controller
18:41:59  <Patrick`> dual cores are socket compatible
18:42:04  <Patrick`> yeah, ddr straight to ddr3
18:42:05  <Patrick`> sucks
18:42:07  <OwenS> DDR 2
18:42:10  <OwenS> AM2 = DDR2
18:42:13  <OwenS> AM3 = DDR3
18:42:20  <Patrick`> no, they are skipping over ddr2 altogether
18:42:22  <OwenS> S939 could probably be considered "AM1"
18:42:22  <Sacro> X2 4200+ running at single core = 3500+
18:42:22  <SpComb> no wait, 300 euros
18:42:24  <JohnUK89> OwenS, I was referring to AM3 ;-)
18:42:25  <Patrick`> unless I ead wrong
18:42:29  <OwenS> Patrick`: No they aren't
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18:42:39  <Patrick`> socket A started with like 600MHz athlons
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18:42:50  <Sacro> oooh, he aint gonna be happy now
18:42:50  <Patrick`> and you can buy 2200+ semprons for it today
18:43:01  <Patrick`> I was TOLD that socket 939 was gonna be like that
18:43:04  <Patrick`> but noOOOoOOoo
18:43:06  <OwenS> <- AM2 = DDR2 see
18:43:14  <JohnUK89> Patrick`: there was an Athlon XP 3200+ for it
18:43:16  <Sacro> yep, AM2s use DDR2
18:43:23  <Patrick`> JohnUK89: nice
18:43:25  * orudge grumbles at OwenS
18:43:29  <Patrick`> at least I'll be able to pick up a cheap >4000+ X2 in a few years
18:43:30  * orudge grumbles at mIRC
18:43:31  <Patrick`> nice little booster
18:43:39  <OwenS> Also: "AMD has announced that Socket AM3 processors will be able to run on Socket AM2 motherboards, but not vice-versa (ie: a Socket AM2 chip cannot run on a Socket AM3 motherboard). This is because AM3 processors will have a new memory controller supporting both DDR2 and DDR3 RAM on them, allowing backwards compatibility with AM2 motherboards, but since AM2 processors lack the new memory controller, they will not work on AM3 mo
18:43:40  <Sacro> rofl
18:43:40  <Patrick`> and PCIe won't go out of fashion quickly
18:43:46  <Patrick`> and my board supports 4G of ram max
18:43:47  <Sacro> that aint the link i meant...
18:43:49  <Patrick`> so I'll be alriught
18:44:01  <Sacro> :P
18:44:19  <WolfAngel> Patrick` 4gb ram for a motherboard is... quite standart I think...
18:44:35  <Patrick`> WolfAngel: no, not really
18:44:41  <Patrick`> that's the 32-bit ceiling
18:44:46  <Patrick`> but I have amd64 :(
18:44:46  <SutherlandDK> i love the AMD X2 because that they are so easy to overclock
18:44:55  <OwenS> And we have Athlon _64s_
18:44:56  <Patrick`> overclocking schmoverclocking
18:44:58  <Patrick`> what's the point
18:45:02  <OwenS> Theoretically much more
18:45:09  <Patrick`> a faster chip will only come out in a week
18:45:34  <Patrick`> I just buy something cheap, pretend I spent the same cheapness on a chip this time last year, and overclocked it
18:45:38  * JohnUK89 hates his Sempron :(
18:45:39  <Patrick`> hey presto, it runs fast and cool
18:45:59  <Patrick`> when I got a k6-3 500, that was actually in my mind a 400 that I'd overclocked
18:46:19  <Patrick`> only not perpetually about to die
18:48:31  <OwenS> <- Probably wanna zoom out though. In the heatsink. Left: Dust, Right: Plucked out
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18:49:17  <SutherlandDK> hehe
18:49:23  <SutherlandDK> wow so much dust
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18:49:55  <OwenS> JUST 2 years of it...
18:50:01  <SutherlandDK> hehe
18:50:08  <OwenS> My room is too dusty :(
18:50:14  <WolfAngel> wow OwenS don't you camera have auto focus? ^^
18:50:23  <SutherlandDK> i understand why it wasn't working
18:50:23  <WolfAngel> your*
18:50:28  <OwenS> My camera sucks :P
18:50:31  <WolfAngel> ^^
18:51:11  <OwenS> My CPU runs cooler now ^^
18:51:15  <OwenS> And quieter ^^
18:52:01  <Sacro> Bjarni: wb
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18:55:46  <OwenS> Hmm, I need a 12v power source
18:56:07  <Sacro> OwenS: yellow line from PSU i think
18:56:17  <OwenS> No, I mean one outside my PC :P
18:56:19  <Sacro> against the black line
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18:56:23  <Sacro> ah
18:56:25  <SpComb> hotwire your psu!
18:56:35  <OwenS> I wanna power up my old heatsink's fan :P
18:56:43  <OwenS> I am NOT running it off my PC PSU!
18:56:50  <SpComb> then run it off a spare psu
18:56:56  <OwenS> What spare PSU?...
18:57:15  <SutherlandDK> another
18:57:18  <SutherlandDK> psu
18:57:29  <OwenS> I'm not using the one which runs my Winboxen either :P
18:57:55  <SutherlandDK> then take the other one
18:58:10  <JohnUK89> use the one which runs no boxen :P
18:58:19  <OwenS> There isn't one! :P
18:58:28  <JohnUK89> I have a spare one <g>
18:58:30  <SpComb> well, find one!
18:58:34  <SutherlandDK> every one got an extra?
18:58:42  * SpComb knows where he could find a couple ten psus
18:59:05  <OwenS> I threw out the old ones when both PCs started needing 550ws.. :P
18:59:21  <SutherlandDK> yeah but u fan only need 12?
18:59:24  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:59:32  <JohnUK89> I have a 250W one somewhere
19:00:03  <JohnUK89> And my p1 has a 150W PSU :P
19:00:11  <OwenS> lol
19:00:31  <OwenS> <- Aaaawww :)
19:00:59  <SutherlandDK> ??..
19:01:04  <OwenS> My cats :P
19:01:13  <SutherlandDK> oh but can only load half of the pic
19:01:20  <OwenS> O.o why?
19:01:44  <WolfAngel> ^^
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19:01:54  <WolfAngel> lol you walk you cats?
19:01:56  <WolfAngel> ^^
19:02:02  <SutherlandDK> dunno maybe using all of my bandwits on an other thing
19:02:05  <OwenS> No, theyre in the back garden
19:02:13  <WolfAngel> LOOOL ^^
19:02:22  <SutherlandDK> american?
19:02:24  <OwenS> Theyre on the leads so they don't run away - We live near a VERY busy road
19:02:26  <OwenS> UK :)
19:02:36  <SutherlandDK> oh oaky :D
19:02:39  <SutherlandDK> okay..
19:02:41  <WolfAngel> yeah ok...
19:02:43  <WolfAngel> ^^
19:03:34  <SpComb> how mean, you keep them on leads :o
19:03:36  <SpComb> poor cats :(
19:03:58  <WolfAngel> not realy?...
19:04:01  <OwenS> Better than them running into an excruciatingly busy road
19:04:02  * SpComb has some pictures of the cat at his uncle's farm, free to roam over the countryside as far as he can go...
19:04:07  <SpComb> *they
19:04:14  <SpComb> although one of his cats did get run over :(
19:04:25  <WolfAngel> ^^
19:04:26  <SpComb> on the 10-cars-per-day road
19:04:44  <OwenS> This is like a 500 per HOUR road
19:04:49  <Sacro> hmm £1200 for my new pc :(
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19:05:29  <SpComb> Sacro: with the prices in the UK that's probably a fair monster...
19:06:04  <Sacro> SpComb: AMD X2 4600+, 2GB DDR2 667, 500GB HDD, 7900 GT, Audigy 4
19:06:20  <Sacro> then ill install windows 98, and TTO and be very happy
19:06:27  <WolfAngel> loool?
19:06:28  <SutherlandDK> lol don't buy geforce :P use ati
19:06:28  <WolfAngel> ^^
19:06:37  <Sacro> SutherlandDK: ill nevar use ATI
19:06:39  <WolfAngel> Go Suther!
19:06:40  <WolfAngel> ^^
19:06:57  <OwenS> ATi's Linux drivers SUCK
19:06:57  <sayno> ati and intel are the fastest
19:06:57  <SutherlandDK> ALWAYS USE ATI
19:06:57  <Sacro> OwenS: yup
19:06:58  <WolfAngel> and once again...
19:06:59  <Sacro> sayno: nope
19:07:02  <Sacro> SutherlandDK: nope
19:07:05  <sayno> OwenS not true!  Im running a x1400 Mobility in linux without a problem
19:07:11  * orudge grumbles
19:07:12  * Sacro engages binary reply mode
19:07:15  <WolfAngel> Sacro is an example on how not to do
19:07:15  <sayno> get quite a bit of fps in ut2k4
19:07:18  <orudge> This is getting very annoying now :(
19:07:21  <OwenS> You have never seen the mess of them on x64 linux...
19:07:24  <Sacro> orudge: whats wrong?
19:07:30  <orudge> mIRC keeps highlighting "OwenS"
19:07:33  <Sacro> ahh, :)
19:07:41  <Sacro> can you not tell it to ignore OwenS ?
19:07:42  <sayno> Sacro: the intel core 2 duo blows away even the fx60, and the ati x1900xtx is insane
19:07:46  <Sacro> or use HydraIRC
19:07:48  <orudge> Not that I can see :(
19:07:48  <OwenS> Set it to highlight "Owen " instead?
19:07:52  <Sacro> sayno: not in games
19:07:54  <SpComb> SutherlandDK: ALWAYS USE NVIDIA!
19:08:00  <orudge> Hmm, "owen " and "owen:" perhaps
19:08:05  <XeryusTC> orudge: you can add OwenS as the first item in your highlight list
19:08:09  <OwenS> NSIST ON nVIDIA
19:08:11  <SutherlandDK> lol
19:08:22  <sayno> yes!  Sacro let me get you some benchmarks to prove it, core 2 is about 33% faster than in equally clocked x2 from amd
19:08:27  <XeryusTC> it will ignore all the other Owen highlights then
19:08:34  <sayno> as for the ati x1900, it will be very easy to prove that is faster
19:08:39  <Sacro> sayno: but how much more does the core 2 duo cost
19:08:42  <orudge> Mmh? Well, I want it to ignore OwenS, and highlight the rest
19:08:45  <Sacro> does it have reliaible 64 bit?
19:08:55  <sayno> no games support 64 bit
19:09:01  <sayno> other than farcry and ut2k4
19:09:03  <OwenS> Yes they do! :O
19:09:14  <sayno> 2 mainstream games do
19:09:14  <JohnUK89> OpenTTD does! :-D
19:09:16  <SutherlandDK> hl2 does support
19:09:16  <sayno> lol
19:09:19  <SutherlandDK> 64 bit
19:09:22  <XeryusTC> orudge: you can add it with default settings, you wont notice that it highlighted it then, except from the special text color on the tab
19:09:26  <sayno> on a 64bit OS sutherland
19:09:30  <Sacro> sayno: i didnt say games, i meant Linux
19:09:30  <SutherlandDK> yeah
19:09:33  <orudge> It's the flashing tab that I tend to notice :)
19:09:34  <SutherlandDK> ofcource
19:09:39  <SutherlandDK> hehe :D
19:09:50  <Sacro> orudge: why not use HydraIRC?
19:10:02  <sayno> Sacro, everything is fast in linux, but like it or not, linux is NOT a good gaming OS
19:10:04  <XeryusTC> orudge: that's a problem then
19:10:12  <sayno> Only native apps run comparable to gaming in windows
19:10:17  <OwenS> sanyo: Only because of the lack of games
19:10:18  * JohnUK89 can't wait till tomorrow :P
19:10:22  <Sacro> sayno: with Cedega, it canbe better than windows by miles
19:10:25  <sayno> Exactly Owen
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19:10:47  <OwenS> Lots of us don't play all too many games anyway
19:10:49  <sayno> Sacro, Ive used Cedega and Wine on my lappy, in both I get about 20-40 fps LESS in HL2 based games than in windows
19:11:00  <orudge> Sacro: Never heard of it, but mIRC does the job nicely for me, except for this little irritant
19:11:05  <orudge> Nobody else is allowed to have my name, anyway ;>
19:11:13  <sayno> i averaged 25-35 fps in cedega, and 60-80 in windows
19:11:35  <Sacro> orudge: you cant copyright the name "Owen"
19:11:47  <OwenS> Trademark you mean ;P
19:11:51  <Sacro> sayno: depends on the distro
19:11:51  <sayno> I love linux, its the OS I use daily, but when I need to play a game, I boot windows (unless its nwn or ut2k4)
19:12:08  <orudge> Sacro: And why can't I? ¬_¬
19:12:20  <Bjarni> [20:22] 	<Sacro>	[19:09] <Wolf01> and twisted guys as sacro <- i aint twisted :(
19:12:20  <Bjarni> [20:22] 	<Sacro>	[19:10] <Bjarni> we keep Sacro as an example of what not to do <- :o
19:12:30  <Bjarni> looks like Sacro was unaware of this role in this channel
19:12:32  <sayno> Sacro do you have a benchmarking utility I could run in linux?  Id like to show you what a core duo can do, core 2 is bounds faster
19:12:46  <Sacro> [19:44] * Bjarni has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) <- *giggles*
19:12:58  <Bjarni> yeah, I blame my ISP
19:13:00  <orudge> Hurrah, the second most bandwidth guzzling free site I host has moved away
19:13:10  <Bjarni> every single connection timed out, IRC and non-IRC ones
19:13:14  * Sacro moves pr0n onto zernebok
19:13:18  <OwenS> lol
19:13:32  <OwenS> Sanyo: Your Core2Duo won't beat my Athlon64 at single threaded stuff :P
19:13:37  <Sacro> sayno: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null
19:14:06  <OwenS> Lots of games are majorly all work in one thread
19:14:09  <sayno> OwenS it will, but I dont have Core 2
19:14:14  <sayno>
19:14:17  <sayno> unbiased reviews
19:14:20  <Bjarni> sayno: remember that core duo chips are only great for multithreaded stuff
19:14:29  <Bjarni> which means not OTTD :p
19:14:30  <sayno> look at the p4 get slaughtered, and look at core 2 destroy the a64 in gaming
19:14:36  * GoneWacko moves zernebok onto Sacro
19:14:39  <sayno> no true Bjarni
19:14:45  <Sacro> sayno: from the reviews im reading, its about a 1fps difference
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19:14:48  <OwenS> Indeed; The 3D game i'm developing has of it's 3 threads 2 sleeping 99% of the time
19:14:53  <Sacro> GoneWacko: :o thats heavy
19:14:58  <sayno> thats like saying that an athlon x2 is only good multithreaded
19:15:01  <Bjarni> ok, the background tasks on one core and the game on the other one, but still
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19:15:13  <Sacro> arrrrrrghh its another mac user
19:15:20  <lws1984> arrrrrrgh indeed
19:15:29  <lws1984> but it also means I have friends in high places
19:15:32  <SutherlandDK> lol not a mac?
19:15:42  <GoneWacko> why not a mac?
19:15:49  <OwenS> $$$
19:15:50  <SutherlandDK> mac sucks
19:15:53  <Bjarni> I didn't say that they aren't good at singlethreaded stuff, just that they aren't as great at them as they are at multithreaded stuff
19:16:01  <lws1984> yay for Macs!
19:16:16  <Bjarni> what's that about the sudden mac talk?
19:16:17  <lws1984> OwenS: they may be expensive, but I'm currently using a 1989 PowerBook
19:16:24  <lws1984> Sacro started it, Bjarni ;)
19:16:29  <OwenS> 1989? They didn't exist back then!
19:16:30  <sayno>
19:16:32  <OwenS> If I had to go for a multi core, i'd go for a Sun UltraSPARC T1 Niagra ^^
19:16:38  <SutherlandDK>
19:16:40  <sayno> ^^ core 2 duo beating a faster clocked fx-60
19:16:45  <Bjarni> the first PowerBook is the pb100 and it's from 1991
19:16:48  * Bjarni had one
19:16:50  <Sacro> lws1984: lies
19:16:57  <lws1984> 1991? hmm.. oh yes, you're right
19:16:59  <lws1984> my memory's bad
19:17:01  <Bjarni> 1989 only offered the mac portable
19:17:03  <OwenS> I wonder how much faster "K10" will be
19:17:03  <lws1984> with dates
19:17:09  <lws1984> no, it's not a mac portable
19:17:26  * lws1984 checks the bottom of his PB100
19:17:28  <lws1984> yeah, 1991
19:17:35  <Sacro> in 1989 not a lot was portable
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19:17:42  <Sacro> i was though]
19:17:43  <sayno> Sacro how long should I wait for that command to finish
19:17:45  <Wolf01> cp -a-b something_right sacro_brain
19:17:47  <OwenS> 8 core w00t (Niagra)
19:17:47  <lws1984> Sacro: in 1989, portable was a relative term
19:17:48  <Bjarni> ...
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19:18:00  <JohnUK89_> Bah
19:18:00  <SutherlandDK> ill have to go guys ill check in here an other time.. now ill just wanna test Whax 3.0
19:18:04  * Sacro posts on
19:18:06  <Wolf01> oh sorry, there is nothing to backup
19:18:07  <Bjarni> why do I have to tell lws1984 when he got his computer?
19:18:17  <OwenS> lol
19:18:18  <lws1984> because I'm on the phone with my girlfriend
19:18:23  <Bjarni> ahh
19:18:28  <lws1984> otherwise I'm an excellent Mac historian
19:18:35  <Bjarni> universal excuse for saying silly stuff on IRC :)
19:18:36  <lws1984> being born in 1976 helps :p
19:18:45  * JohnUK89_ sets Cedega going :P
19:18:47  <lws1984> Bjarni: it's true, I am actually talking to her :p
19:18:55  <Bjarni> sure
19:19:04  <lws1984> gah, i'm getting :p-obsessed
19:19:23  <Patrick`> mmm... p...
19:19:30  <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: try the game in straight wine
19:19:32  <JohnUK89_> pieeeee?
19:19:33  <Bjarni> lws1984 got a p problem
19:19:44  <Wolf01> where's richk? miniIN needs a sync with trunk, i can't live without the extended build on slopes :O
19:19:46  <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: it's improved a lot on direct3d support in the last few weeks
19:19:46  <lws1984> *snicker*
19:19:48  <Patrick`> months
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19:20:14  <JohnUK89_> Patrick`: I'm downloading it as a preperation for if it doesn't work (I'm only installing linux tomorrow)
19:20:32  <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: but ... cedega costs money
19:20:41  <Patrick`> they are also total and utter cocks
19:20:44  <JohnUK89_> Patrick`: :P
19:20:45  <Patrick`> so I endorse piracy.
19:20:57  <Patrick`> seriously, they're just ... cocks
19:21:05  * Bjarni raises Jolly Roger and robs Patrick`
19:21:16  <OwenS> O.o
19:21:18  <Patrick`> all that subscription money goes on schmoozing corporate partners into using them to port games
19:21:19  <Bjarni> you just said you endorse it
19:21:23  * JohnUK89_ can't be described as someone who likes to pay for stuff
19:21:25  <OwenS> "On this day 1961 - Construction of the Berlin Wall, a long barrier separating West Berlin from East Berlin and the surrounding territory of East Germany, began."
19:21:50  <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: a lot of the classics just work in linux
19:22:03  <Patrick`> deus ex, SS2, soldier of fortune 2
19:22:06  <Patrick`> all great games
19:22:11  <Apach> hello all :)
19:22:16  <JohnUK89_> Patrick`: yeah, worth having Cedega here though, just in case
19:22:18  <OwenS> System Shock! :O
19:22:22  <Patrick`> JohnUK89_: aye
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19:22:25  <Apach> enyone knows good sites about ottd ?
19:22:33  <Bjarni> OwenS: so today DDR is celebrating how they got a wall to protect them against random shooting from BRD?
19:22:34  <Patrick`> Apach: the forum
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19:22:40  <Apach> :)
19:22:43  <Apach> only
19:22:45  <Bjarni> Apach: also the wiki
19:22:49  <Patrick`> problem with single instances of cedega is that they break backwards compatibility a LOT
19:23:01  <Patrick`> you'll end up needing to "aquire" 10 or 20 versions
19:23:02  <Apach> is there any strategies ?
19:23:04  <OwenS> Oh very true
19:23:10  <Patrick`> they are also cocks
19:23:18  <JohnUK89> Patrick`: damn
19:23:22  * Sacro whistles nonchalently
19:23:28  <JohnUK89> I'll download WINE too :)
19:23:34  <Patrick`> all they've done since they lifted the entire wine codebase without contributing back is add in copy protection support
19:23:41  <Patrick`> which I guess you wouldn't need anyway
19:23:47  <Patrick`> and specific hacks to make specific games run
19:23:49  <JohnUK89> Nah lol
19:23:54  <Patrick`> like steam and CSS, they keep that working
19:23:55  <Patrick`> and WoW
19:24:02  <Patrick`> but they keep breaking-and-fixing
19:24:06  <Sacro> JohnUK89: thought you only had 56k
19:24:08  <JohnUK89> I just need windows apps to run, and I don't play crap like WoW
19:24:13  <Patrick`> goood, good
19:24:15  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I do :P
19:24:19  <Patrick`> regular ol' apps are fine in wine
19:24:20  <JohnUK89> Well...GPRS
19:24:21  <OwenS> JohnUK89: What apps?
19:24:28  <Patrick`> make sure you have the latest, like 0.9.18 or 0.9.19
19:24:40  <Patrick`> not your distro version, even 2 months is a hundred more fixes
19:24:51  <OwenS> Patrick`: Oh, very true!
19:24:55  <Patrick`> oh, and check for if there are entries for your programs
19:24:55  <JohnUK89> OwenS: I'll take a look at me drive :P
19:25:04  <OwenS> Particularly don't use Debian or Ubuntus!
19:25:15  <Patrick`> well, wine has its own deb repos so it wasn't an issue
19:25:18  <Patrick`> ubuntu was waaay old
19:25:21  <Patrick`> (I'm on dapper)
19:25:29  <JohnUK89> Got a game here called Live For Speed...Windows only...and I PAID for that lol
19:25:30  <OwenS> Fedoras is les bad, but I run WINE source anyway :P
19:25:49  <Patrick`> yeah
19:25:50  <Sacro> JohnUK89: i WANT that game
19:25:54  <Patrick`> I have like 5 games I paid for
19:25:56  <OwenS> O.o I havem't bought any games in about a year
19:25:59  <Patrick`> and about half of them run
19:26:03  <JohnUK89> Sacro: it's fantastic :-D
19:26:15  <OwenS> Locomotion was my last... What a dissappointment!
19:26:26  <Patrick`> halflife 2, X3, beyond good and evil, dungeon keeper 1 which doesn't fucking WORK ON WINE AND ITS LIKE TEN YEARS OLD GRAR
19:26:29  <OwenS> (I don't play any games: None of my software is pirated)
19:26:30  <Patrick`> and MDK2
19:26:39  <OwenS> DK1 is a DOS game!
19:26:40  <OwenS> IIRC
19:26:40  <Patrick`> OwenS: welcome to openttd, the game
19:26:49  <OwenS> Hehe, I played OpenTTD first :P
19:26:49  <Patrick`> OwenS: ... I've owned it since like 1999, I know
19:26:53  <Patrick`> there are win95 and dos ports
19:27:02  <Patrick`> the dos one runs under dosemu and dosbox VERY VERY SLOWLY
19:27:03  <OwenS> Run the DOS version in DOSBox :P
19:27:07  <GoneWacko> last game I bought was Diablo 2, but that was like 3 months ago :p
19:27:07  <OwenS> Oh
19:27:10  <Patrick`> VERY GOD DAMN SLOW
19:27:14  <OwenS> Increase the tickcount or something
19:27:21  <Patrick`> yes I know how to bloody use dosbox
19:27:22  <OwenS> (Whatever TF it's called :P)
19:27:37  <Patrick`> dosbox on the fastest single core today runs as fast as a 486
19:27:41  <Patrick`> which isn't fast enough
19:27:44  <OwenS> DK2 doesn't work either IIRC (And DK2 is MUCH better anyway)
19:27:51  <Patrick`> FTS
19:28:01  <Patrick`> the only thing DK2 had better was dragging areas
19:28:01  <OwenS> FTS?
19:28:05  <Patrick`> fark that shiat
19:28:16  <OwenS> I prefered it :P
19:28:17  <Patrick`> DK1 is like the perfect game apart from 25 clicks to lay a single room
19:28:25  <OwenS> Yeah, thats annoying
19:28:38  <Patrick`> I've seriously considered starting an OSS clone like ottd started
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19:28:41  <Patrick`> JUST to fix that
19:29:11  <OwenS> I can remember the one time on DK2 I killed everyone, left all my imps mining some gemstones and came back in the morning with my cash in the negative :(
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19:29:18  <OwenS> Damn overflow...
19:29:21  <Patrick`> lol integer overflow'd
19:29:29  <Patrick`> (hi everyone, I'm patrick and I'm opinionated and loud)
19:29:37  <Patrick`> you'd never get that in DK1, since gold is worth less.
19:29:39  <hylje> you suck
19:30:21  <OwenS> Patrick`: If your looking for a 3D engine, Ogre and Irrlicht are good :)
19:30:23  <Patrick`> also, imps in DK2 lag. if you deselect a bit of wall for digging, they'll still dig it
19:31:18  <Bjarni> *	Sacro whistles nonchalently <-- good one. I actually missed that one when it happened :D
19:32:43  <Sacro> Bjarni: hehe
19:32:45  <hylje> hah
19:32:54  <Sacro> the other fun command is "ls `yes`
19:32:55  <Sacro> "
19:33:08  <lws1984> hehe
19:33:20  * Sacro wonders who will try it first
19:33:25  <OwenS> lol
19:33:34  <OwenS> I ran that in my head :P
19:33:46  <MeusH> I would, but I think it would be better to google for ls and make linux working
19:33:47  <Patrick`> oops
19:33:51  <Patrick`> it crashes
19:34:12  <Bjarni> well, I tried this one... sort of
19:34:14  <Sacro> Patrick`: what does?
19:34:14  <Bjarni> man yes
19:34:21  <Bjarni> didn't know that command
19:34:31  <Sacro> hehe
19:34:38  <Bjarni> sounds like you can make a lot of fun out of it
19:34:42  <Bjarni> :)
19:34:55  <hylje> yes is quite pointless but i see some uses for that
19:35:04  <Bjarni> $ man no
19:35:04  <Bjarni> No manual entry for no
19:35:11  <Bjarni> so you can't stop it again XD
19:35:20  <Bjarni> except if you know linux, that is
19:35:27  <hylje> ^C
19:35:28  <hylje> :<
19:35:30  <OwenS> killall -s9 bash (Since it's a bash builtin IIRC)
19:35:34  <OwenS> ^C doesn't work
19:35:38  <hylje> it does
19:35:39  <Bjarni> don't tell the n00bs :p
19:35:41  <Sacro> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/snd
19:35:46  <OwenS> Didn't for me :P
19:35:47  <OwenS> ROFL!
19:35:49  <Bjarni> lol
19:35:50  <hylje> Sacro: now thats evil
19:36:01  <Bjarni> Sacro: if I try that one, will you buy me new speakers?
19:36:01  <hylje> OwenS: well it doesnt catch it at once
19:36:11  <Sacro> Bjarni: doesnt kill the speakers
19:36:28  <Bjarni> you send random data to the speakers, right?
19:36:44  <Sacro> yeah, just sounds terrible
19:36:45  <hylje> yep
19:36:52  <Sacro> kinda like a 56k modem gone wrong
19:36:57  <Bjarni> random = not sine shaped
19:36:59  <Triffid_Hunter> it's called white noise
19:37:19  <Bjarni> non sine shaped waves sent to the speakers are potientally dangerous
19:37:37  <OwenS> > /dev/dsp would work more often :P
19:37:39  <Triffid_Hunter> pink noise (white + a -3db per octave filter) is much more pleasant to the ear
19:37:40  <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: surely thats cat /dev/zero > /dev/snd
19:37:44  <Bjarni> you risk moving the menbrane too far out or make too fast shifts in direction of travelling
19:37:46  <Sacro> BROWN NOISE :D
19:37:58  <Patrick`> Bjarni: isn't ALL noise non-sine?
19:38:03  <Bjarni> as a result, you can make mechanical damage in it
19:38:07  <Patrick`> dev/zero would do nothing
19:38:08  <Sacro> i never knew that
19:38:13  <Patrick`> the speakers would just move right in and stop
19:38:24  <Sacro> OH WOW
19:38:26  <Triffid_Hunter> Patrick`: no.. noise can be defined as any unwanted signal -- mains hum is considered noise, yet it's very sinusoidal ;)
19:38:30  <Sacro> yes > /dev/snd
19:39:08  <OwenS> rofl
19:39:20  <MeusH> so dev/urandom contains random data?
19:39:31  <Bjarni> well, since it's random data, you risk making sudden shifts in the movement in the speakers, which can both harm them and downright break them
19:39:36  <Patrick`> MeusH: yeah
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19:39:47  <exe> square waves are most dangerous?
19:39:53  <Patrick`> not /dev/random
19:39:54  <hylje> MeusH: it doesnt contain it, just generates it when read from
19:40:00  <Patrick`> since that's a small pool of genuinely random data
19:40:07  <Patrick`> urandom is just a big stream of pseudorandom
19:40:16  <OwenS> Actually, /dev/urandom exhausts /dev/random first
19:40:28  <MeusH> okay, thanks
19:40:43  <Patrick`> OwenS: that doesn't seem sensible
19:40:53  <Patrick`> the entropy put into making random was carefully gathered
19:41:01  <Patrick`> it wouldn't crap it away on a shred command
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19:41:06  <Patrick`> maybe it pulls seeds from there
19:41:44  * Nizzy manages a slight bow
19:41:54  <hylje> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp
19:42:19  <Nizzy> I doubt that's a good idea (:
19:42:21  <JohnUK89> Is downloading at 6k a second usual for 56k?
19:42:23  <JohnUK89> Lol
19:42:34  <Bjarni> yes
19:42:42  <Bjarni> 56/8 is not a lot
19:42:56  <JohnUK89> I NEVER get that lol...I max at 4 normally :P
19:42:57  <Bjarni> in fact it's 7
19:43:17  <Bjarni> as a theoretical max
19:43:29  <JohnUK89> Yeah
19:43:35  * Sacro goes out
19:43:37  <JohnUK89> I just wasnt expecting to get 6
19:43:39  <JohnUK89> :P
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19:43:49  <JohnUK89> Sacro: cya lol enjoy the rain :P
19:44:02  <Nizzy> Can anyone tell me where to get tables/strings.h? Compiler complains ):
19:44:10  <Bjarni> <JohnUK89>	I NEVER get that lol...I max at 4 normally :P <-- if the modem detected problems connecting, it tried to reduce speed because lower speed is less sensitive to noise, so if you had poor phonelines....
19:44:30  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: well I'm using GPRS at the heh
19:44:47  <Bjarni> disconnecting all phones in the house when connecting with the modem could have helped since some (specially old) phones generate a lot of noise just by being connected
19:45:18  <Bjarni> I know of a place where an old phone got unplugged because it was so noisy that it jammed the ADSL line
19:45:28  <Bjarni> now that's noisy
19:45:33  <JohnUK89> Lol
19:45:39  <OwenS> I'm going to ADSL soon...
19:45:43  <Bjarni> because they don't work on the same frequencies :D
19:46:16  <Bjarni> it was so noisy that it jammed signals way outside it's frequency area
19:46:19  <Zr40> GPRS uses a data channel anyway instead of a voice channel, so the available bandwidth is already optimal
19:46:24  <OwenS> Frequencies repeat themselves anyway...
19:46:26  <Patrick`> microfilters
19:47:00  <OwenS> Would probably not have helped if it was repetition
19:47:00  <JohnUK89> Zr40: yeah, but that doesn't stop noise ;-)
19:47:16  <Zr40> indeed, but because GPRS uses data channels, it's got error correction
19:47:16  <OwenS> A 1mHz signal repeats at 2, 3, 4, etc...
19:47:49  <OwenS> Bjarni: Are we likely to have space to store large ammounts of data when we get the new map array?
19:47:58  <JohnUK89> Zr40: yeah, would still slow it down slightly as it tries to figure out what it's been sent
19:48:26  <Zr40> slightly, yep. which is way better than regular analog 56K ;)
19:48:31  <Bjarni> <OwenS>	Bjarni: Are we likely to have space to store large ammounts of data when we get the new map array? <-- if we like, we can store 10 kb if we like. That's a bad idea on 2048x2048 maps though
19:48:39  <JohnUK89> Indeed :P
19:48:52  <OwenS> It's cause i'd like to make Lua scriptable signals :P
19:49:23  <Bjarni> sounds like a GPMI project
19:49:26  <OwenS> Heh
19:49:39  <OwenS> Another option iv'e been thinking about is storing everything as a 1 entry in the save file and referencing it by tile ID
19:49:39  <JohnUK89> Right I'll brb :)
19:50:11  <Bjarni> I'm not really sure about this
19:50:24  <Bjarni> making a lua script, that needs to store stuff in the savegames?
19:50:47  <OwenS> You press a button or something and you can type in your code to script the signal :P
19:50:47  <Bjarni> can't you just make it recalculate that data on load?
19:51:00  <OwenS> Noo
19:51:04  <Bjarni> there is a function that is called after the savegame is loaded to calculate data, that's not saved
19:51:07  <OwenS> I mean people can script their own signals
19:51:45  <OwenS> Another option would just be to store a .lua file in the game directory :P
19:52:01  <OwenS> And some form of function lookup in game
19:52:10  <JohnUK89> OwenS: if only we could...would make life easier :P
19:52:53  <hylje> OwenS: ive been craving after scriptable signals for a while now
19:52:57  <Patrick`> yeah
19:53:01  <Nizzy> Oh sorry I've had to do something. Has someone answered my question and could repeat it? (:
19:53:04  <Patrick`> so I could finally do binary load-balancers
19:53:06  <hylje> OwenS: so consider your quest worth the while
19:53:18  <Patrick`> problem is that there are so many signals it would make some serious overhead
19:53:22  <OwenS> Patrick`: As in, swap after each train?
19:53:28  <Patrick`> yeah
19:53:43  <Patrick`> perhaps add some user-definable signal types and then calculate the behaviour from scripts one-off
19:53:44  <OwenS> Look at my NAND patch, which this would replace
19:53:46  <Patrick`> then do all the logic
19:54:08  <Patrick`> see, moving anything like that out of C would just destroy performance
19:54:15  <glx> Nizzy: which compiler?
19:54:16  <Patrick`> mm, nand patch
19:54:21  <OwenS> Signals aren't recalculated 30 times per seccond :P
19:54:30  <OwenS> I'd prefer to just shove the Lua engine in there: It's light weight, fast and the language is simple
19:54:31  <Patrick`> no, but the behaviour
19:54:34  <Nizzy> The windows version of GCC with Code::Block
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19:54:45  <hylje> OwenS: shoehorn python into there while you're at it
19:54:56  <OwenS> hylje: Ive never liked Python :P
19:55:00  <Patrick`> if you could script signals in an extensible way then there'd need to be some totally cool and awesome way of the code optimising that
19:55:11  <Patrick`> you don't want to be calling the script every time a train goes near a signal
19:55:28  <OwenS> Patrick`: One possibility is store a lookup of previous values
19:55:35  <OwenS> Like: 3 green, 3 red, result was red
19:55:43  <glx> Nizzy: I don't know how to use this gcc (I'm using mingw+msys), but you need to compile strgen and langfiles to get table/strings.h
19:55:54  <Patrick`> or just incorporate enough different signal types to make a turing-complete layout
19:56:01  <Patrick`> without using trains like the old signal-logic systems
19:56:03  <Nizzy> glx: Oh.. I'll try that (: Thanks
19:56:05  <OwenS> Patrick`: Thats somewhat messy :)
19:56:12  <Patrick`> not really
19:56:32  <Patrick`> you only need a certain small number
19:56:36  <OwenS> Once it's done the lookup the first time you have no more problems :)
19:56:37  <Patrick`> the actual implementation might be bad
19:56:45  <OwenS> No; I mean unused track messy
19:56:54  <Patrick`> it'd be something like verilog
19:57:00  <Patrick`> sounds like a lot of work
19:57:17  <OwenS> Scriptable signals would be relatively easy once the saving is done
19:57:19  <OwenS> Lua's API rocks
19:57:45  <hylje> and scriptable signals are less useful if you can't identify certain signals
19:58:12  <OwenS> Prehaps
19:58:18  <OwenS> Sign it :P
19:58:19  <Patrick`> still, sounds like a lot of overhead
19:58:26  <hylje> better than nothing
19:58:30  <OwenS> Only the first time a specific condition is met
19:58:44  <MeusH> :)
19:58:47  <Patrick`> and how do you know when it's been met subsequent times?
19:58:54  <Patrick`> by monitoring extra information about the signal
19:58:55  <OwenS> Look it up in an array
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20:00:35  <Bjarni> wow, I just found a new feature in google earth. You can make it view stuff from different angles (not just top down) and then it will use the height data to make a 3D landscape. Now mountains looks really cool
20:00:44  <hylje> o rly?
20:00:50  <Bjarni> and likely you all knew this already :p
20:00:52  <OwenS> ya rly :P
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20:01:40  <Patrick`> aye
20:01:56  <MeusH> Bjarni: I like this feature pretty much, but I'd like to see a height factor modifier
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20:02:43  <Bjarni> me too
20:02:53  <Bjarni> it looks a bit flat
20:02:58  <Bjarni> even high mountains
20:03:10  <hylje> so
20:03:18  <hylje> when do you implement ottd on google earth
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20:03:30  <exe> there is a height factor modifier
20:03:39  <MeusH> great, where is it?
20:03:44  <exe> somewhere in options
20:03:52  <Bjarni> wow
20:03:57  <Bjarni> screenshot coming up
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20:05:49  <OwenS> I don't have any idea how I would go about making the saving side of programable signals however :(
20:07:19  <hylje> saving?
20:07:37  <hylje> o yes
20:08:29  <OwenS> I suppose I could format what I wrote out to the file as a bytestream of sorts:
20:09:22  <OwenS> uint32 num
20:09:22  <OwenS> [REPEAT num {
20:09:22  <OwenS>   uint32 cell
20:09:22  <OwenS>   uint16 len
20:09:22  <OwenS>   char[len] code
20:09:24  <OwenS> }]
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20:48:52  <JohnUK89> grr me damn steering wheel's broke :@
20:48:58  <Sacro> aww :(
20:49:03  <Sacro> my pedals are bust
20:49:06  <JohnUK89> stupid £20 peice turd
20:49:10  <JohnUK89> of*
20:49:18  <edeca> Use the autoreplace option? :P
20:49:21  <hylje> :D
20:49:25  <JohnUK89> edeca: I wish :P
20:49:28  <hylje> not enough money?
20:49:50  <JohnUK89> Nope, got none
20:50:23  <JohnUK89> Got like £2 lol
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20:50:43  <edeca> Sheesh.  Back in my day we'd feel lucky if we had two wheels, let alone a whole bike :)
20:51:00  <Patrick`>  and we had to carry the wheels on our back
20:51:05  <JohnUK89> edeca: pc steering wheel ;-)
20:51:11  <Patrick`> uphill both ways in the snow for 26 hours a day
20:51:37  <JohnUK89> I can't play Live or Speed :[
20:51:41  <JohnUK89> For*
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20:56:39  <edeca> Patrick`: You got the snow?  I had to contend with the fires of hell :)
20:59:06  <magus_x> lol
20:59:36  <JohnUK89> I had the hills...and more hills...and MORE hills
20:59:44  <hylje> :o
21:00:18  <JohnUK89> And then I had a mountain...
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21:08:04  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:13:15  <Patrick`> when I were a lad, mountains were steep
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21:13:21  <Patrick`> you were lucky if it were vertical
21:13:27  <Darkvater> yes I was
21:13:44  <Patrick`> usually I had to carry milk tureens up overhanging cliffs just to make enough money to make nothing
21:14:11  <JohnUK89> Hehe
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21:18:53  <Darkvater> there
21:18:57  <Darkvater> that shouldda work
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21:23:36  <Sutherland> hello >D
21:24:17  <Sutherland> ? wow quiet...
21:24:27  * lws1984 turns the radio up
21:24:36  <Sutherland> hehe
21:25:00  * Sacro turns lws1984 on
21:25:15  <ln-> this channel is not about wow
21:25:32  <Sutherland> erhm... okay?
21:25:58  <Sutherland> any of u know anything about Whax?
21:26:01  <magus_x> lol
21:26:07  <magus_x> wow sucks
21:26:13  <magus_x> ttd owns
21:26:13  <magus_x> lol
21:26:20  <hylje> wow ttd owns
21:26:25  <Sutherland> yeah love ttd
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21:26:51  <Sutherland> can i play ttd on whax?
21:26:56  <Sacro> whax?
21:27:00  <Sutherland> whax
21:27:06  <Sacro> whax on, whax off...
21:27:11  <Sutherland> hehe
21:27:19  <Sutherland> google on whax or.... whoppix
21:27:32  <Sacro> just have done
21:27:35  <Sacro> its linux, should be ok
21:27:38  <magus_x> whax, hax, cheater
21:27:44  <magus_x> lol
21:27:49  <Sutherland> whax like wHAX
21:27:58  <Sutherland> but not cheater
21:28:31  <Sutherland> ill never cheat
21:28:43  <magus_x> Whax is a distro?
21:28:52  <Sutherland> yeah
21:28:54  <Sacro> distribution
21:29:10  <magus_x> cool
21:29:19  <magus_x> the name remember me knoppix
21:29:26  <Sutherland> but pretty hard to download if u ask me only found one torrent with it the rest are broken download links
21:29:45  <Sutherland> yeah it is knoppix but with a lot hack tools
21:29:57  <magus_x> LOL
21:30:01  <Sutherland> but i just wanna play ttd
21:30:13  <magus_x> well
21:30:28  <magus_x> download 3d drivers, configure alsa, get x working and you are ok
21:30:45  <Sutherland> x?
21:30:47  <MeusH> bye
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21:30:52  <OwenS> You don't need 3D drivers for OpenTTD
21:30:55  <OwenS> X11
21:30:56  <magus_x> x11
21:31:06  <magus_x> OwenS, : but is always good have them installed
21:31:10  <magus_x> x)
21:31:17  <OwenS> True
21:31:19  <TrueLight> so, it should in fact be:
21:31:22  <TrueLight> install a anti-virus
21:31:24  <TrueLight> install a firewall
21:31:27  <TrueLight> install a ...
21:31:29  <Sutherland> sry im a bit of a newbie to linux i wish that i where very good.. but i aint.. cry cry
21:31:29  <OwenS> On Linux? :P
21:31:31  <TrueLight> install OpenTTD
21:31:32  <TrueLight> and play :p
21:31:36  <magus_x> LOL
21:31:40  <magus_x> Sutherland, : well
21:31:40  <OwenS> There are no Linux viruses...
21:31:43  <TrueLight> even on linux... the first cross-platform viruses are there
21:31:49  <TrueLight> OwenS: sure, nice dreamworld you are living in
21:31:50  <magus_x> Sutherland, : im using linux from a week ago
21:31:52  <OwenS> There were only 2 and they were proof of concept
21:31:57  <magus_x> im liking it alot
21:31:58  <Sutherland> cool
21:32:06  <magus_x> if you are new on linux
21:32:10  <magus_x> i suggests ubuntu
21:32:10  <TrueLight> OwenS: so that indeeds make Linux a virus-less system
21:32:14  <magus_x> :)
21:32:18  <TrueLight> they were just proof of concept....
21:32:25  <TrueLight> t
21:32:25  <OwenS> And didn't have spreaidng code
21:32:37  <Sutherland> i got ubuntu but my VMware will not install it...
21:32:42  <magus_x> Sutherland, : try ubuntu, its a very good and easy distro
21:32:44  <OwenS> They just demonstrated some (now fixed) vunerabilities which allowed a normal user to gain root (IIRC)
21:32:45  <Sacro> OwenS: there is a virus, to show it type 'su -C "rm -fr /"' :)
21:32:49  <magus_x> ah, VMware
21:32:51  <OwenS> :P
21:33:09  <magus_x> i thought you was installing it natively, not on VMWare
21:33:09  <TrueLight> <- no linux viruses....
21:33:27  <TrueLight> so keep on using your linux machine without a virusscanner..... keep on dreaming :)
21:33:49  <magus_x> linux viruses? i never heard about one
21:34:01  <magus_x> ah
21:34:03  <TrueLight> check url, there are like 30 listed :p
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21:34:10  <TrueLight> Lately I have more problems with trojans....
21:34:18  <magus_x> and are 1 for 1000000 windows viruses
21:34:19  <TrueLight> coming in via stupid-written php scripts
21:34:22  <orudge> Aargh, more OwenSes
21:34:25  <orudge> Indeed, they are most annoying
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21:34:31  * orudge is the only Owen in this part of town!
21:34:31  <magus_x> so, antivirus not needed imo
21:34:36  <TrueLight> hehe, orudge knows all about it :)
21:34:50  <Sacro> orudge: the only owen in the village
21:34:54  <TrueLight> magus_x: my advise: scan your files once a week with clamav or something
21:34:57  <TrueLight> never hurts
21:35:01  <TrueLight> makes sure your system stays clean
21:35:08  <TrueLight> viruses _will_ come
21:35:12  <TrueLight> and _will_ be harmful
21:35:28  <TrueLight> don't live in a dreamworld, loss of data aint worth it :)
21:35:44  <OwenS> Well, I never caught one running as an administrator on Windows for 5 years, my chances running as a restricted user on Linux are much lower :P
21:36:11  <TrueLight> pff, my windows servers filter about 1000 virusses a day
21:36:17  <OwenS> lol
21:36:25  <Sutherland> what? u never caught one in 5 yeas on windows damned u must be lucky
21:36:28  <TrueLight> and the restricted WINDOWS users are good for about 20% of that
21:36:34  <glx> my brother got blaster while downloading antivirus and firewall
21:36:39  <TrueLight> most likely the most luckiest person of the world :p
21:36:44  <magus_x> blaster, man i hated it
21:36:47  <OwenS> No, I just know what not to do :P
21:36:53  <Sutherland> lol blaster is to easy
21:36:55  <magus_x> "Your computer needs to be shutdown in 30 seconds"
21:36:57  <OwenS> Using IE to surf is the first thing not to do :P
21:37:02  <TrueLight> OwenS: everyone had problems with blaster
21:37:09  <magus_x> shutdown -a
21:37:10  <OwenS> I did at one point
21:37:12  <magus_x> =o
21:37:14  <NoNick> i got 1 virus in 10y.. and that was just funny to experience the stuff all the online newspapers were talking about at the time :-)
21:37:15  <Sutherland> shutdown a
21:37:18  <TrueLight> magus_x: yeah :p
21:37:21  <Sutherland> cant write minus
21:37:21  <OwenS> AND I was running a up to date AV, thinking of it
21:37:25  <TrueLight> I remember I had PONG :)
21:37:35  <NoNick> on a windows system
21:37:37  <magus_x> PONG
21:37:37  <magus_x> lol
21:37:40  <Sutherland> iloveyou hehe what a virus name
21:37:42  <OwenS> But my ISP cut off everyone which had it so I noticed immediately :P
21:37:47  <TrueLight> OwenS: so you clearly never read the virus description... no AV could help you in that case
21:38:01  <OwenS> Oh yeah. It's a while ;)
21:38:03  <TrueLight> PONG was incredible fun :)
21:38:04  <TrueLight> but okay
21:38:06  <TrueLight> enough blabla
21:38:07  <TrueLight> night all
21:38:09  <TrueLight> I am on a holiday
21:38:11  <OwenS> I think MS hadn't released the patch :P
21:38:11  <TrueLight> back friday :)
21:38:13  <magus_x> what PONG does?
21:38:13  <OwenS> Night TL :)
21:38:18  <magus_x> ( the virus )
21:38:18  <magus_x> lol
21:38:21  <TrueLight> pong started the pong game on your compuer
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21:38:23  <TrueLight> in DOS
21:38:26  <TrueLight> really amuzing :)
21:38:28  <TrueLight> but bye :)
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21:38:38  <magus_x> LOL
21:38:46  <Sutherland> owens do u know anything about whax?
21:38:58  <OwenS> Nope
21:39:00  <OwenS> I run Fedora
21:39:11  <Brianetta> In a deathmatch server, is it wrong for the admin to kick some guy who dared to buy a spot of land in the middle of a station that the admin was redesigning?
21:39:12  <OwenS> And have previously ran CentOS and Debian
21:39:20  <orudge> OwenS: Could I pay you £5 to change your nickname to OweenS or something? ¬_¬
21:39:22  <magus_x> Sutherland, : man, get courage, format your computer and install ubuntu x)
21:39:25  <Sacro> Brianetta: no
21:39:29  <Brianetta> In my defence, I did not exterminate his company (:
21:39:31  <OwenS> orudge: Nope :P
21:39:33  <Sacro> Brianetta: oh, yes, it is wrong
21:39:35  <orudge> :(
21:39:49  <OwenS> Set Owen not to highlight? :P
21:39:56  <magus_x> Sutherland, : but, there are programs to resize partitions
21:39:57  <Sutherland> hehe magus x ill just install it on one of my other pcs
21:40:01  <Sacro> magus_x: noooooooo, not Eughbuntu
21:40:10  <magus_x> Sutherland, : so you could use them to install linux without losing windows
21:40:14  <orudge> OwenS: But then I'll miss people actually wanting me ¬_
21:40:20  <magus_x> Sacro: i use it, im new on linux :|
21:40:27  <Sacro> orudge: oh well :P
21:40:28  <OwenS> orudge: Use a better IRC client :P
21:40:35  <orudge> mIRC is fine otherwies
21:40:38  * orudge grumbles
21:40:38  <orudge> sigh.
21:40:39  <Sutherland> owens do u run fedora core 4 or 5
21:40:42  <OwenS> 5
21:41:14  <Sutherland> there are a lot of bugs in 5 if u dont update
21:41:25  <OwenS> I update :)
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21:41:47  <Sutherland> hehe good idea
21:42:01  <Sutherland> do u play any games on fedora?
21:42:38  <OwenS> OpenTTD :P
21:42:48  <Sutherland> hehe  nay other?
21:42:51  <Sutherland> any
21:42:57  <OwenS> Nah; I (ironically) have an XBox for that :P
21:43:07  <magus_x> ROCK PAPER SCISSORS
21:43:11  <magus_x> LOL
21:43:12  <Sutherland> hehe i hate consoles
21:43:25  <magus_x> Sutherland, : welcome to the club, i hate too
21:43:32  <OwenS> O.o why?
21:43:35  <Sutherland> but i love the xbox
21:43:48  <Sutherland> because u can install linux
21:43:51  <OwenS> I wanna get MechWarrior and use MechInstaller :P
21:43:56  <hylje> :D
21:43:57  <magus_x> lol
21:44:07  <magus_x> you can install linux even in one GBA
21:44:07  <magus_x> lol
21:44:15  <OwenS> or DS :P
21:44:26  <magus_x> or windows in a PSP
21:44:30  <magus_x> =p
21:44:31  <OwenS> Emulated Windows
21:44:36  <hylje> :D
21:44:38  <magus_x> yup
21:44:39  <OwenS> That doesn't count :P
21:44:44  <magus_x> a shit but works
21:44:46  <OwenS> And would suck on a 333mHz processor
21:44:48  <magus_x> LOL
21:44:55  <magus_x> *its a shit but works
21:44:56  <Sutherland> therre is  one console that i like there is an handheld console that runs un linux and got dual processor
21:44:56  <JohnUK89> Bochs on a PSP?
21:45:02  <hylje> windows xp works on a 7MHz proc
21:45:11  <OwenS> Sutherland: GP2X?
21:45:16  <Sutherland> yeaj
21:45:18  <OwenS> hylje: Unusably :)
21:45:19  <Sutherland> yeah
21:45:20  <edeca> hylje: Which 7MHz processor?
21:45:28  <hylje> i dont remember, some germans did it
21:45:31  <JohnUK89> hylje: a downclocked Pentium
21:45:32  <OwenS> I have a 500mHz ARM sitting here
21:46:06  <Sutherland> i think that ill have to go to bed
21:46:14  <Sutherland> im starting at school tommorow
21:46:18  <magus_x> a 8086
21:46:23  <magus_x> lol
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21:46:46  <Sutherland> so cya all lovely channel
21:46:51  <OwenS> You can't run anything* on an 8086
21:46:51  <OwenS> (*Except DOS...)
21:47:06  <Sutherland> all of u get an commandore 64
21:47:19  <Sutherland> or an amiga
21:47:41  <OwenS> amiga was 68k
21:47:53  <edeca> You wont be able to run Windows XP on an 8086.
21:47:57  <Sutherland> yeah then what?
21:48:08  <edeca> Nor much after Windows 1 probably, as they don't support virtual addressing.
21:48:32  <Sutherland> oh i was going cya
21:48:42  <OwenS> Wasn't the 186 the first with Segment addressing? I dunno :P
21:48:50  <OwenS> I don't really care much :P
21:48:56  <edeca> Heh.
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21:49:30  <OwenS> Virtual addressing requires Protected Mode. So it would probably be the 286 which introduced that
21:49:35  <edeca> Yep.
21:49:45  <OwenS> 386 introduced 32-Bit protected mode
21:49:53  <edeca> That was my recollection, then the 386 or 486 introduced something extra
21:49:55  <edeca> That's the one :)
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21:50:24  <OwenS> The only major upgrade since then is 64-Bit Extended Protected Mode :P
21:50:38  <edeca> Except MMX, SSE, SSE2, etc ;)
21:50:44  <OwenS> Theyre not major
21:50:48  <Sacro> 3DNow :D
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21:51:17  <Sutherland> damned cant just leave ya without knowing how to install the ttd in whax
21:51:40  <OwenS> Don't have a clue
21:51:46  <OwenS> And make sure your using OpenTTD :P
21:51:56  <Sutherland> yeah offcourse
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21:52:26  <magus_x> Sutherland,
21:52:26  <Sutherland> ive played since it was only tt transport tycoon heh that  was fun
21:52:33  <Sutherland> yeah magus x
21:52:38  <magus_x> what you are not able to do?
21:52:43  <magus_x> i mean
21:52:53  <Sutherland> where to download for linux>?
21:52:58  <magus_x> you wanna know how to install?
21:53:12  <magus_x> you got the data files?
21:53:16  <magus_x> from original ttd?
21:53:20  <OwenS> ...
21:53:39  <Sutherland> not shure which to download
21:53:42  <Sutherland> the orig i mean
21:53:58  <magus_x> well, u need the data files
21:54:02  <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm normal train running on maglev tracks
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22:11:05  * JohnUK89 has just reunited an old TTDX fan with his first love :P
22:11:13  <lws1984> who?
22:11:17  <Sacro> ooh, my first love was TTO
22:11:27  <JohnUK89> Sacro: same lol
22:11:40  <JohnUK89> lws: one of my mates on AOL
22:12:20  <Sacro> oh, that and girls
22:12:31  <Sacro> i had  a 2 track mind when i was 12
22:12:41  <JohnUK89> LOL
22:13:08  <JohnUK89> I got TTO on a game compilation CD :P
22:13:23  <JohnUK89> Was the first game I installed off it...instantly loved it :-D
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22:19:56  <Sacro> i got it on 4 floppies from a mate ofmy dads
22:20:19  <mikk36> 4 ?
22:20:19  <mikk36> hmm
22:20:35  <Sacro> yeah, probably fitted on less
22:20:42  <mikk36> don't remember exactly but ithink i got it on one :)
22:20:46  <mikk36> TT
22:20:48  <mikk36> not TTD :)
22:21:03  <mikk36> i, mybrother and my father were all addicted to it :)
22:24:40  <JohnUK89> Only me addicted in this house...was the only one that EVER liked tycoon games
22:25:43  <magus_x> someday i will learn TTd to my father
22:25:48  <magus_x> he would love it
22:26:05  <mikk36> magus_x, teach not learn :P
22:26:53  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I remember TTO being on 2 floppies? Just remembered
22:27:40  <mikk36> dunno..
22:27:54  <JohnUK89> Yeah it was
22:27:58  <mikk36> buti remember that the game had a savegame with billions of money :)
22:28:04  <mikk36> with year 1960 or smth
22:28:15  <JohnUK89> Lol
22:28:28  <mikk36> it was fun
22:28:41  <mikk36> but ii had no idea of roro systems :P
22:28:42  <JohnUK89> That ruins it, starting with loads of money
22:28:54  <mikk36> mainly because the AI doesn't know about them either :P
22:29:01  <JohnUK89> mikk36: I still haven't got the hang of networks :P
22:29:07  <mikk36> heh
22:29:14  <mikk36> it's easy actually
22:29:28  <JohnUK89> Well I could be described as being crap lol
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22:29:48  <mikk36> just look a bit at wiki's roro page :)
22:30:19  <JohnUK89> mikk36: I have :P
22:30:22  <JohnUK89> I get roro
22:30:28  <JohnUK89> just not the entire network bit
22:30:32  <mikk36> :P
22:30:39  <mikk36> junctions etc ?
22:30:44  <JohnUK89> Yeah
22:30:46  <mikk36> heh
22:30:51  <mikk36> they're even easier
22:30:57  <JohnUK89> Lol
22:31:19  <mikk36> no really
22:31:41  <JohnUK89> Fancy tutoring me :P
22:33:14  <JohnUK89> In fact
22:33:15  <JohnUK89> !wiki
22:33:20  <JohnUK89> damn bot
22:33:21  <mikk36> the only thing i'm thinking about when creating the junctions is that where do the trains go from that station
22:33:22  <JohnUK89> lol
22:33:29  <mikk36> and where do they come from
22:33:36  <JohnUK89> Yeah
22:33:40  <lws1984> !wiki
22:33:43  <mikk36>
22:36:47  <mikk36> i usually build smth like this
22:36:48  <mikk36>
22:36:58  <mikk36> although i use right-handed traffic
22:37:16  <mikk36> usually well enough suited for my networks
22:37:27  <OwenS> Cloverleafs suck
22:37:51  <mikk36> what's ur suggestion ?
22:37:51  <OwenS> That sit has no good junctions... All the corners are too tight ( = Slow)
22:38:02  <OwenS> Depends on the situation
22:38:14  <mikk36> i usually build custom sized clovers
22:38:24  <mikk36> depending on the situation
22:38:45  <mikk36> sometimes i need very compact and sometimes i can build big and high capacity
22:39:24  <OwenS> I have no plan; I build a good junction which will scale well and which can't jam
22:40:55  <Patrick`> OwenS: that site was invented many many years before realistic acceleration
22:41:16  <Patrick`> the thing to realise about RA is that your junction size depends on how long your trains are
22:41:33  <Patrick`> it's better to go with 8-cars or 4 tiles, so that you can turn 90 degrees with 7 angled tiles
22:41:51  <XeryusTC> Patrick`: false, it depends on what the maximum speed is of your train
22:41:54  <Patrick`> I've done a few but not a proper 4x4
22:41:59  <Patrick`> XeryusTC: er, no
22:42:15  <Patrick`> if I have a 400MPH maglev going into a /-\ it'll still slow to 50mph
22:42:24  <Patrick`> unless that code was changed in the last month or two
22:42:33  <XeryusTC> the curren #openttdcoop game has 7 tile trains, but corners are made out of 7 pieces, although it could do fine with 5 pieces as trains cant go faster then 75 kmh
22:42:50  <XeryusTC> <+Patrick`> the thing to realise about RA is that your junction size depends on how long your trains are <- i was talking about that
22:42:55  <Patrick`> yes, if your actual trains are slow it does not matter if you go 75 down to 55
22:43:06  <XeryusTC> corners dont have to be 14 pieces for 7 tile trains
22:43:15  <Patrick`> no, they can be slightly less
22:43:20  <OwenS> You've started the MS game? :O
22:43:21  <OwenS> When?
22:43:26  * XeryusTC meant 230 kmh btw
22:43:27  <Patrick`> all I know is that it's 7 for 4 tiles and 9 for 5 tiles long
22:43:48  <OwenS> The size of the train is always at least as much as needed
22:43:58  <XeryusTC> it is purely based on the speed of the train
22:44:03  <OwenS> But sometimes you can do with less; Depends, as said; on the max speed you wish to use
22:44:08  <Patrick`> are you sure?
22:44:15  <XeryusTC> yes
22:44:17  <OwenS> Yep
22:44:23  <Patrick`> actually, I don't know what you're saying
22:44:32  <XeryusTC> you don't need a 9 piece corner for a train that goes only 20kmh, it can do with a 90 degree turn
22:44:40  <Patrick`> yes, duuuh
22:44:45  <Patrick`> but what do we do about maglev?
22:44:53  <OwenS> It's (speed) / 8 * (number of corners a train is doing - 1) or something
22:45:10  <Patrick`> almost.
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22:45:29  <Patrick`> if you corner one way and then corner back the same way quickly then that is no slowdown
22:45:40  <Patrick`> but only if the train is only in one of those zigzags.
22:46:12  <XeryusTC> Patrick`: except if it is diagonal->straight->diagonal
22:46:14  <OwenS> Exactly: Look at my formula ;-)
22:46:21  <Patrick`> straight-diagonal-straight
22:46:33  <Patrick`> OwenS: no, if a train is on 2 corners that turn the same way it drops in speed
22:47:03  <OwenS> Yes, >>> number of corners << in the formula above!
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22:48:46  <Patrick`> it depends on which way they turn!
22:48:52  <OwenS> No
22:49:05  <Patrick`> /-\ is slowdown. /-/ is not.
22:49:09  <OwenS> It is
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22:49:13  <OwenS> Watch it
22:49:17  <Patrick`> I KNOW this, I build many networks out of that
22:49:37  <OwenS> And I know this from watching it in #openttdcoop
22:49:39  <XeryusTC> Patrick`: -/- is a slowdown too
22:49:45  <OwenS> Ive optimzied that out of many junctions
22:49:54  <Patrick`> well the code must have changed
22:50:25  <Patrick`> because everything I built and carefully observed does not slow down when that happens
22:50:37  <Patrick`> for example, shimmying one tile to the right to enter the correct platform
22:50:46  <OwenS> They slow down if they are in both of those bends at the same time
22:51:14  <Patrick`> I don't actually have a working install yet, one second
22:51:16  <XeryusTC> OwenS: it doesn't if the number of diagonal pieces is even
22:51:40  <OwenS> Ive seen them go /-/ and slow down :S
22:52:00  <Patrick`> make sure they're not in another turn as well
22:52:20  * XeryusTC made a save
22:52:21  <OwenS> They weren't
22:52:28  <XeryusTC> screenshot*
22:53:08  <XeryusTC>
22:53:37  <Patrick`> XeryusTC: I agree with you
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22:53:44  <Patrick`> I've not had enough /-/ in my network
22:54:03  <OwenS> The bottom left one is the one I was talking about :P
22:54:16  <Patrick`> I honestly don't know about that one.
22:54:20  <Patrick`> that'd just be weird if it was.
22:55:15  <XeryusTC> the bottom one is just not considered the same as the top right one
22:55:48  <XeryusTC> instead it is considered as the top one
22:55:50  <GoneWacko> what the fuck
22:55:54  <mikk36> ?
22:56:32  <GoneWacko> Someone (nacl?) PMed me
22:56:45  <GoneWacko> even though I've not been a visitor of the forums for some months now
22:56:49  <GoneWacko> and he PMed me
22:56:50  <GoneWacko> about
22:57:00  <GoneWacko> OpenTTD station spread, something about problems, reprogramming it, blablabla.
22:57:10  <GoneWacko> And I have no idea why he PMed me, because I have nothing to with it at all :D
22:58:23  <Patrick`> do I need libsdl1.2-dev installed or was that an accidental install?
22:58:32  <Patrick`> never built on linux before (hurry up with the debs)
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22:58:54  <GoneWacko> heck I have nothing to with OpenTTD, let alone a specific part of it
22:59:30  <GoneWacko>
23:00:39  <Patrick`> lolo-stationspready
23:00:44  <Patrick`> hey, why does it get bad anyway?
23:00:50  <Patrick`> does anyone know? always wondered
23:01:07  <mikk36> also, isn't it written already in the game itself that "Warning, largestation spread increases cpu usage" or smth ?
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23:02:38  <JohnUK89> Patrick`: you need the libsdl1.2-dev, yes
23:03:19  <Patrick`> yikes
23:03:22  <Patrick`> it pulls in a lot of deps
23:03:26  <Patrick`> a LOT of deps
23:03:28  <JohnUK89> Yeah lol
23:03:38  <Patrick`> hah
23:03:41  <Patrick`> XeryusTC: you're wrong
23:03:53  <XeryusTC> about what?
23:03:55  <Patrick`> I just checked out the latest svn and built it and both types have no slowdown
23:04:12  <Patrick`> I have a maglev going into a /-/ and still accelerating
23:04:30  <mikk36> server updated to 0.4.8 now :)
23:04:42  <Patrick`> I fail at the internet, realistic acceleration was turned off
23:05:08  <Patrick`> aha, no, I enabled it and it still goes at 640
23:05:45  <mikk36> nice, truelight, thanks for splitting up the games sorting  by "latest stable" and "not latest stable" :)
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23:07:13  <Patrick`> how fast can you guys build ottd, then?
23:07:58  <JohnUK89> Not tried, don't have the dependencies, and I'm on GPRS so I can't exactly get em too quickly :P
23:08:06  <Patrick`> make clean; time make
23:08:24  <Patrick`> yapf is c++ ?
23:08:32  <Gonozal_VIII> it was a slowdown in the first revs with the new physics but then it was changed
23:09:06  <Patrick`> Gonozal_VIII: yeah, years ago though
23:09:20  <Patrick`> 1 minute 32
23:09:31  <mikk36> what cpu ?
23:09:35  <Gonozal_VIII> "years" ^^
23:10:00  <Gonozal_VIII> i think it was somewhere around rev 5670
23:10:29  <Patrick`> my mistake
23:10:32  <XeryusTC> Gonozal_VIII: the /-/ slowdown?
23:10:40  <Patrick`> I pretty much stopped playing around about revision 3300
23:10:54  <Patrick`> so I guess I always had that slowdown but i never had any tracks that caused it
23:10:58  <Gonozal_VIII> yes
23:14:50  <Timmaah> hey guys
23:15:01  <Timmaah> when do you get metropolitian and international airports?
23:16:04  <Gonozal_VIII> not shure... you can check such things by starting a new game and cheating the time up until they appear
23:16:07  <Gonozal_VIII> -h
23:16:29  <Timmaah> ya but im ingame atm..
23:16:30  <Timmaah> network
23:16:38  <Patrick`> make a new game]
23:16:39  <Timmaah> i figured maybe someone here knew
23:16:46  <XeryusTC> Gonozal_VIII: the slowdown is still in r5794
23:16:53  <Patrick`> it might be in the wiki
23:17:18  <Patrick`> I have a copy of 5883 here and it never happens
23:17:28  <Gonozal_VIII> its not present in miniin 5842
23:17:48  <Timmaah> nah not in the wiki :(
23:17:55  <Gonozal_VIII> but in 5663 it is
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23:18:26  <luckzeh> so what's bad about freenode and not about this? :/
23:18:39  <Patrick`> freenode has lilo
23:18:47  <Patrick`> lilo has problems not being hacked
23:19:02  <OwenS> Lilo? Linux Loader?
23:19:07  <Patrick`> and there are some real reasons as well
23:19:17  <XeryusTC> OwenS: the main irc op from freenode
23:19:17  <Patrick`> lilo, the guy who "runs" freenode
23:19:27  <luckzeh> well, you seem to have successfully gotten rid of half the users.
23:19:47  <Patrick`> yeah, the half that set themselves to autojoin and have like 90 channels they idle in
23:20:01  <Patrick`> I think that only 50% dead wood for such a long-running channel is very impressive
23:20:56  <Patrick`> the chat is just as lively
23:21:10  <luckzeh> or maybe they're just not in the mood for being on yet another network
23:22:05  <Patrick`> look, if you're going to whine about it do it in the old channel
23:22:14  <Patrick`> where everyone who cares can read what you have to say
23:22:14  <Kjetil> haha
23:22:20  <luckzeh> .
23:22:23  <Gonozal_VIII> good point^^
23:22:31  <luckzeh> you're amazingly funny.
23:22:43  <Brianetta> lilo is the internets's most successful professional beggar.
23:22:50  <Gonozal_VIII> i don't really care about what network the channel is in
23:22:52  <Sacro> Brianetta: i envy him
23:23:08  <Brianetta> Sacro: Shh.  People might think you admire him, too.
23:23:09  <Patrick`> luckzeh: also, there are practical reasons. freenode kept dropping several of the developers
23:23:18  <Timmaah> :(
23:23:27  <Patrick`> and the no unregistered PMs really got in everyone's way
23:23:44  <Patrick`> I'm not saying it wasn't warranted, it's just that freenode is a big target for bad things to happen
23:24:53  <Sacro> Brianetta: no, i just could really do with the money
23:25:08  <Brianetta> Why not beg for it?
23:25:23  <Brianetta> Then you can sit on your arse and IRC all day.
23:25:41  <Sacro> what do you think i do
23:25:51  <Patrick`> the trick is to get paid for it
23:26:22  <Sacro> yes...
23:26:27  <Sacro> SEND ME MONEY :D
23:26:51  <Brianetta>  <-- Rob "lilo" Levin, full disclosure
23:27:39  <Kjetil> hm. I am on IRC all day long and I don't get any money.. damn you all :P
23:28:31  <Patrick`> lol, that article ruins it by recommending efnet
23:28:38  <Patrick`> it's a pile of shit without services
23:29:04  <Kjetil> who needs services ?
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23:29:25  <Patrick`> my autovoice does :P
23:29:27  <XeryusTC> quakenet only has L, and it isn't a complete pile of shit
23:29:40  <Patrick`> anyway, sleep
23:30:15  <mikk36> XeryusTC, it has also Q
23:30:18  <luckzeh> quakenet isn't all that great
23:30:20  <mikk36> for bigger channels
23:30:21  <luckzeh> and quakenet has like 500 services
23:30:25  <luckzeh> L, Q, S, O..
23:31:21  <mikk36> also,170k usercount is something to notice :)
23:31:25  <Gonozal_VIII> i like gamesorge more than quakenet
23:31:29  <Gonozal_VIII> -o+u
23:31:37  <luckzeh> gamesurge doesn't have any worthwhile chans for me
23:31:42  <luckzeh> I was there for a while, but never said a single word
23:31:49  <mikk36> * There are 78 users and 167488 invisible on 35 servers
23:31:55  <luckzeh> much like what I do in irchighway, but there I at least have power :(
23:31:56  <Gonozal_VIII> had some browsergame channels there
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23:33:35  <luckzeh> let's see
23:33:36  <Nizzy> Hi there again (: Is anyone of the beloved programmers of TTD online?
23:34:29  <luckzeh> gnüg - june 29; quakenet - august 9; freenode - july 21; irchighway - july 24; scoast - august 11
23:34:41  <luckzeh> that's the time I last had to reconnect to a couple of networks
23:35:06  <luckzeh> note that quakenet isn't all that stable, connection-wise, while freenode actually is quite a bit better - not that that made lilo awesome
23:35:23  <luckzeh> it just shows that a lot of quakenet servers, mostly the german and I think uk ones, are anything but good
23:35:24  <Gonozal_VIII> gnüg? :S
23:35:39  <luckzeh>
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23:36:07  <Brianetta> That's an OK server
23:36:13  <Brianetta> The Gnugs do rock
23:36:23  <luckzeh> heh. how come you know them?
23:37:00  <Brianetta> How do you think?
23:37:01  <Sacro> quakenet keeps having netsplits
23:37:09  <Nizzy> As no one is answering, have I done something wrong concerning my communication habits or is noone online?
23:37:09  <Brianetta> They utterly humiliated me at TA once
23:37:20  <Sacro> ARRRRRRRRRRRGHH
23:37:30  <OwenS> Brianetta actually knows what TA is? :O
23:37:37  <Brianetta> OwenS: Well... duh
23:37:39  <XeryusTC> Nizzy: i don't see CS hanging around here...
23:37:40  * Sacro kicks the bits off IE for not supporting transparent PNG support
23:37:40  <Brianetta> who doesn't?
23:37:44  <OwenS> So few people ever heard of the best RTS game ever...
23:37:55  <Brianetta> What, SupCom? (:
23:37:59  <luckzeh> ahh
23:38:07  <luckzeh> that's where I know your nick from, Brianetta
23:38:08  <Brianetta> Born_Acorn is also a TAer
23:38:10  <OwenS> Well, 2nd best (possibly), I haven't played SupCom yet :P
23:38:13  <luckzeh> you turn up a couple million times in my logs from there
23:38:15  <OwenS> I know BA is :P
23:38:16  <fusey> TA was insane
23:38:25  <Sacro> Brianetta gets around a fair bit
23:38:28  <Born_Acorn> wee
23:38:39  <Brianetta> I just hang out where the class is
23:38:41  <Sacro> Born_Acorn doesnt get out enough
23:38:42  <luckzeh> irclogs/2006/gnug/#gnug.03-25.log:22:59:11< Brianetta> I NEED a 110,000V taser cannon.
23:38:46  <Brianetta> like.... the credits of X2 and X3 (:
23:38:53  <Sacro> Brianetta: grrr, damn you!
23:38:54  <Nizzy> XeryusTC: As in Customer Support??
23:38:55  <Brianetta> luckzeh (:
23:39:02  <luckzeh> [01:38:39] [Brianetta] like.... the credits of X2 and X3 (: <- the games?
23:39:14  <Brianetta> Nizzy: No, as in a developer.  luckzeh: Yes.
23:39:22  <luckzeh> arr. why?
23:39:30  <Brianetta> Why what?
23:39:34  <luckzeh> why do you occur there.
23:39:37  <XeryusTC> Nizzy: no, chris sawyer
23:39:38  <Nizzy> Brianetta: Right, thanks. Puzzled me.
23:39:39  <Brianetta> I did some work
23:39:53  <Brianetta> If you want to know what I did, read the credits (:
23:40:00  <luckzeh> not touching that virus.
23:40:05  <Brianetta> Twice in X2, four times in X3
23:40:20  <luckzeh> so no, not touching its credits either.
23:40:27  <OwenS> I would read them if I had them :P
23:40:31  <Brianetta> Hey, X2 wasn;t that bad
23:40:36  <Brianetta> although I do share your opinion of X3
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23:42:03  <luckzeh> well, X2 was fixed at some point, and I for some reason I forgot have a legal serial for it. came with my latest graphics card, I think.
23:42:19  <Brianetta> luckzeh: Just grab the nocd patch form Egosoft
23:42:24  <Brianetta> You don't need the serial any more
23:42:31  <luckzeh> I know, I know :p
23:42:35  <luckzeh> I got that at home
23:42:47  <Brianetta> In fact, same goes for X3 since it's available on D2D
23:42:51  <Brianetta> and therefore there's no CD key
23:43:00  <luckzeh> mh, does D2D-X3 come with starforce?
23:43:08  <Brianetta> Dunno
23:43:14  <Brianetta> I didn't even bother installing it
23:43:25  <Brianetta> I got my complementary copies, and here they sit
23:43:26  <luckzeh> <- it's on the evil-list in any case
23:44:18  <luckzeh> do you plan on doing whatever you did for X2 and 3 for the online one too, if they're actually ever going to make that happen?
23:44:59  <Brianetta> No.
23:45:23  <Brianetta> We haven't even opened the X3 section of Argonopedia yet
23:45:35  <Brianetta>
23:45:49  <Brianetta> Nearlt all the X3 info is int he DB now
23:45:57  <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ i have gono on highlight
23:46:00  <Brianetta> but nobody can be arsed to finish it
23:47:10  <OwenS> Ubisoft have stated theyre not gonna use Starforce on future games ^^
23:47:10  <OwenS> Whether it happens or not is a different matter; But I hope it does
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23:50:48  <luckzeh> seems to be happening for a lot of games
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23:53:30  <OwenS> It's Win XP x64 users pissed off
23:53:49  <luckzeh> is it.
23:54:03  <luckzeh> they should be happy the thing doesn't work for them.
23:54:13  <OwenS> They can't play the games however
23:54:24  <luckzeh> but their computers also don't get infected with that stuff
23:54:32  <OwenS> True
23:54:43  <luckzeh> would you rather have a suicidal computer or a game less?
23:55:35  <OwenS> True;
23:55:40  <OwenS> Ive never had a StarForce game :P
23:56:34  <Corby> OpenTTD needs files from the actual TTD?
23:56:43  <JohnUK89> Corby: yes
23:56:51  <Corby> Oh man.... :-(
23:56:58  <luckzeh> Corby: nothing easier than downloading TTD :/
23:57:24  <JohnUK89> The data files can't be distributed with OpenTTD, they're copyrighted
23:57:36  <Born_Acorn> So other people do it instead.
23:57:36  <Corby> Yeah that makes sense
23:57:37  <Born_Acorn> <-- Forums listing.
23:58:25  <luckzeh> OwenS: I had, and I only noticed that it was starforce sabotaging half of my computer by chance. and, well, after thoroughly cleaning, everything worked fine again. and my current desktop comp hasn't been touched by starforce in any way; I know better now.
23:58:38  <Corby> A-ha... and that was a sticky too... I guess my eyes glossed over it when I was browsing the forums
23:58:47  <OwenS> lol
23:59:11  <Corby> So work is being done though to remove OpenTTD's reliance on TTD files?
23:59:23  <luckzeh> mh
23:59:31  <XeryusTC> Corby: yes
23:59:35  <luckzeh> it doesn't have starforce on steam, most sources claim
23:59:41  <luckzeh> X3, that is
23:59:57  <Corby> when choosing a TTD to download, does it matter if its DOS/Windows whatever?

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