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05:47:23 <roboboy> what makes you say that 05:47:25 <CIA-2> miham * r6445 /trunk/lang/catalan.txt: 05:47:25 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-13 07:46:55 05:47:25 <CIA-2> catalan - 57 changed by arnaullv (57) 05:47:50 <PandaMojo> roboboy: "PandaMojo seems to be sad at the moment: 6.5% lines contained sad faces. :(" - from the !logs 05:50:00 *** Guest56 [Gono@N787P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 05:51:55 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 05:55:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N863P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:58:20 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 05:58:37 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:02:52 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:03:38 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 06:03:43 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07:07 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:36:27 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-38.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 06:45:19 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:16:29 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:19:48 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D419.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:23:20 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:25:45 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CD3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:26:45 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2DC52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:27:22 *** scia_ is now known as scia 07:28:29 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:55:38 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:56:29 <Darkvater> morning 07:57:10 <peter1138> hi 07:58:11 <Darkvater> I read ADSL is working? I'm surprised 07:58:21 <Darkvater> albeit pleasantly :) 07:59:09 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has left #openttd [] 07:59:09 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 07:59:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 07:59:12 <peter1138> heh 08:01:17 <peter1138> i updated the 2cc stuff again last night 08:02:30 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03:41 <Darkvater> many conflicts? 08:04:11 <peter1138> no 08:04:51 <Darkvater> good :) 08:05:22 <peter1138> 22KB though :/ 08:06:16 <peter1138> though i suppose it does add quite a lot... saveload, gui, a bit of actual logic... 08:06:31 <Tron_> <Darkvater> I read ADSL is working? I'm surprised <--- it's just pretending and waiting to die horribly in a critical moment 08:06:34 <Darkvater> well you don't get something for nothing 08:06:39 <Darkvater> peter1138: how big is utf? 08:10:19 <peter1138> Tron_: nooo! 08:10:31 <peter1138> Darkvater: unknown, heh 08:11:05 <mikk36> peter1138, what shitty isp is it that u're blaming ? 08:11:16 <Darkvater> BT ;p 08:11:56 <mikk36> + 08:12:15 *** scia_ is now known as scia 08:16:08 <mikk36> ? 08:16:54 <peter1138> what? 08:17:21 <mikk36> "BT" 08:18:33 <peter1138> what about them? 08:21:59 <mikk36> this is the full name ? 08:27:47 <peter1138> ... 08:27:47 <peter1138> yes 08:28:26 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:28:47 <Darkvater> mikk36: ? 08:29:05 <mikk36> ah nothing :) 08:29:36 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 08:36:11 <Darkvater> BT is British Telecom 08:36:52 <mikk36> ok then :) 08:38:50 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-145-18.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:40:51 <peter1138> well, except they renamed to BT 08:41:16 <mikk36> and i'm correct if they're the biggest there ? 08:41:26 <mikk36> if i say that they're the biggest there* 08:43:02 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43:46 <Darkvater> peter1138: you're saying there's only the abbreviation? Nothing else? 08:43:59 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:26 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 08:46:18 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-184-101.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:48:38 <peter1138> officially they are "British Telecommunications Plc" but "BT" is their trading name 08:49:27 <Sacro> heh, wish we could get them here 08:49:52 <peter1138> mikk36: Tthey are a near monopoly on ADSL connections, but not ADSL ISPs. Then there are cable providers... 08:50:12 <Sacro> just not in and around Hull 08:50:13 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 08:50:13 <Sacro> !logs 08:54:27 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:57:33 <Darkvater> same as in Holland 08:57:38 * Darkvater very much dislikes KPN 08:58:06 <Darkvater> so he just picked cable, from the monopolist there :' 08:58:25 <Sacro> KC have been in this area for over 100 years 08:58:39 <Sacro> and when the telephone system got nationalised, they refused to sell out 09:01:00 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:07:36 <peter1138> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/5338184.stm < very near where i used to live o_O 09:08:49 <Sacro> there was a stabbing in Hull on new years eve 2000, and me an some mates where about 100 yards away getting some chips from a takeaway. didnt even notice it 09:14:00 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-197-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:10 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3FACF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:16 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:28:41 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FC0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:19 *** tormentum [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:30:28 <tormentum> evening all 09:30:33 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [] 09:30:36 *** tormentum is now known as Torm 09:35:08 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 09:37:03 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:38 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:48:22 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:42 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 09:53:53 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 09:57:47 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 09:58:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:00:29 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:46 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:06:47 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:35 <peter1138> tum te tum 10:13:24 <Darkvater> yeah, it is silent today 10:16:00 * Sacro watches the tumbleweed go past 10:16:48 <peter1138> so, http://fuzzle.org/o/2cc20060913.diff 10:17:01 <peter1138> more comments / improvements required 10:17:55 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:17:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:19:27 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-38.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 10:22:54 <Darkvater> valuables are passanger wagons? never knew 10:24:24 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-213-249-184-101.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:25:36 <Darkvater> what's the widget magic in case9,10,11,12? 10:25:46 <Sacro_> guessing ill timeout soon 10:27:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-184-101.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:25 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 10:28:35 <Darkvater> peter1138: ^ 10:35:37 <Maedhros> peter1138: i guess the first screen is used for selecting generic liveries, but wouldn't it be better to use the manager icon than the station icon? 10:36:58 <Darkvater> anyone got a pic of the gui? 10:38:24 <Sacro> bah, i need VNC access to an XP machine 10:38:44 <Sacro> seeing as the dell site doesnt work under ff or ie6 on linux 10:39:05 <Maedhros> Darkvater: http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/2cc_gui.png 10:39:15 * Maedhros has got to stop abusing his gentoo dev-space... 10:40:03 <Darkvater> aah, what does the station do? 10:40:20 <Darkvater> or that would be 'company colour'? 10:41:19 <Darkvater> <lunc, brb 10:46:40 *** Thad [~wha@ip-80-226-8-90.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:10 <Thad> hi 10:49:08 <Maedhros> peter1138: a couple more comments - when changing the standard colour, would it be possible to change the defaults of everything else to that colour 10:49:24 <Maedhros> and, how about specifying the livery should be used when your first change part of it? 10:51:24 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:38 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: email, telling them they are teh suck 10:51:54 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: yes 10:54:47 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:00:09 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p50819BCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:00:12 <AsterixMG> hi @all 11:00:48 *** jez [shiny@88-96-28-22.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:01:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77234.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:50 <Thad> are there any known issues with using mac on a windows multiplayer game 11:17:23 <Sacro> Thad: probably... care to expand? 11:18:06 <Thad> well when i atempt to join a game thats hosted on a windows box 11:18:13 <Sacro> OpenTTD im guessing :p 11:18:15 <Thad> after it loads and works for afew moments 11:18:17 <Thad> yes sorry 11:18:28 <Thad> i get a network sync error 11:18:48 *** Ammler [~Ammler@182-94.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:18:51 <Thad> only seams to happen after the other people/preson lays some track road etc 11:19:08 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CD3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@182-94.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:19 <Sacro> Thad: strange, is there any differences with grfs? 11:20:55 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:40 <Thad> we have the same grfs 11:23:49 <Thad> we even tried a stock install 11:24:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:24:22 <Darkvater> Thad: what version are you using? 11:24:31 <Thad> 0.4.8 11:25:06 <Darkvater> hmm... there shouldn't be endian issues, at least not unless something's buggy ;p 11:25:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:25:52 <Thad> thats why i came here to ask 11:26:18 <Darkvater> :) 11:26:57 <Darkvater> cannot test anything with you at work here, but does OSX<>OSX work? 11:27:08 <Thad> yes 11:27:23 <Thad> but i can do osx<>win 11:27:58 <Darkvater> does it also desync irrelevant of the server? 11:28:06 <Darkvater> eg WIN<>OSX and OSX<>WIN? 11:28:39 <Thad> yes 11:28:56 <Thad> they get the sync error when im hosting but i get it when im hosting 11:29:14 <Darkvater> does map-size matter? 11:29:36 <Darkvater> can you pinpoint a certain action that causes it? Eg building 1 piece of road and nothing else? 11:31:29 <Thad> bulid a piece of road 11:31:35 <Thad> or track 11:31:51 <Darkvater> only 1 piece? 11:31:53 <Thad> but if they lay a station it works untill they atach track 11:31:54 <Thad> yeah 11:32:17 <Darkvater> just one piece of road/track and both players doing nothing else and the MP-game desyncs? 11:33:04 <Darkvater> how soon? Does the game also desync if you do nothing, just let it run? 11:34:16 <jez> Can anyone tell me what it means when you get a 'red light' at the right side of the news summary bar? 11:34:26 *** Tron [Bo3Vl2Ld@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 11:34:53 <Darkvater> jez: news item you're ignored 11:35:03 <Darkvater> eg not popped up or not scrolled at the bottom 11:35:11 <Darkvater> it is explained in the wiki 11:35:45 <jez> ah 11:35:50 <Thad> it just runs fine 11:35:56 <Thad> if i do nothing 11:36:24 <Thad> or nothing is done i shuld say 11:37:00 <Darkvater> Thad: lots of things are done if you do nothing :). But that means that the savegame has been transferred intact 11:37:23 <peter1138> Maedhros: re manager/station, yes, i meant it to be the manager, but picked the wrong sprite :) 11:37:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CBFD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:12 <Thad> could it be some way related to net connection 11:38:17 * roboboy folds out from the cupboard 11:38:18 <Thad> or is that not apossably 11:38:22 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 11:38:35 <Thad> i mean im in a hotel right now and its not working but it didnt work at home eather 11:38:52 <robobed> gnight 11:39:04 <Darkvater> well if it works OSX-OSX with your friend it's definitely not a net problem 11:39:18 <Darkvater> Thad: did you try 0.4.7? 11:39:33 <Thad> same issue 11:39:43 <Darkvater> 0.4.6? 11:39:47 <peter1138> Maedhros: ah, that sprite is called SPR_COMPANY_LIST o_O 11:40:03 <Thad> havent gotten that far bad 11:40:05 <Darkvater> I think something is wrong on your end though cause it works for other people 11:40:08 <Thad> err back 11:41:11 <peter1138> Maedhros: changing it to SPR_COMPANY_GENERAL should give the manager icon. hmm. 11:42:05 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:12 *** Empero [empero@b-222-156.cable.kpy.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:47:02 <Maedhros> ah, that's better :) 11:48:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:52:36 <Thad> ok 11:52:44 *** stefanbeton [stefan@86.105.52.57] has joined #openttd 11:52:47 <Thad> any ideas what could be wrong on my end 11:52:50 <stefanbeton> hi guys 11:53:01 <peter1138> woo, opterons have arrived :D 11:53:05 <Darkvater> no 11:53:13 <stefanbeton> how convert raileay? 11:53:18 <Darkvater> hi man of concrete 11:53:35 <stefanbeton> i do't know to convert railway 11:53:42 <Darkvater> how go read wiki? 11:53:49 <stefanbeton> i am in the year 2007 11:54:24 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: http://wiki.openttd.org and then search for 'convert' 11:54:39 <stefanbeton> i want to convert in monorail 11:55:12 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: http://wiki.openttd.org and then search for 'convert' 11:55:37 <Darkvater> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Railway_Construction << also good 11:56:42 <stefanbeton> i try ... but give me the mesage "can't convert railtype here" 11:57:12 <stefanbeton> i destroi all my trains 11:57:19 <stefanbeton> :(( 11:57:34 <stefanbeton> for nothing 11:57:41 <Darkvater> do you have monorail toolbar window open, clicked the 'convert' tool and dragged/clicked on normal/electric rail? 11:58:02 <stefanbeton> yes 11:58:16 <Darkvater> do you have a picture of me? 11:58:18 <Darkvater> eek 11:58:19 <Darkvater> for me 11:58:30 <stefanbeton> yes 11:59:51 <Darkvater> can you show me this picture? 12:00:08 <stefanbeton> how? 12:00:42 <Darkvater> website 12:00:53 <stefanbeton> forum? 12:01:02 <Darkvater> http://imageshack.us/ << for example 12:04:17 <stefanbeton> i put the screenshot there 12:04:18 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:32 <Born_Acorn> Give us the link! 12:05:13 <Darkvater> thank you Born_Acorn 12:06:04 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: after you have uploaded the picture you get a link. Copy and paste that in here 12:06:12 <stefanbeton> is here >>> http://imageshack.us/ 12:06:20 * Born_Acorn slaps forehead 12:06:21 <Darkvater> O_+ 12:06:28 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: do you have the picture open in IE? 12:06:38 <AsterixMG> how goes copy and paste? :P 12:06:43 <Born_Acorn> We need a link to the exact image, not to the site! 12:07:07 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: you will see a link in the address bar of IE. copy that here 12:07:13 <stefanbeton> aaaa 12:07:13 <stefanbeton> ok 12:07:13 <stefanbeton> sorry 12:08:34 <stefanbeton> [URL=http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fetestitransport16thsep2008cu6.png][IMG]http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2472/fetestitransport16thsep2008cu6.th.png[/IMG][/URL] 12:08:39 <stefanbeton> this? 12:08:55 <Noldo> wtf is that shit? 12:08:57 <Born_Acorn> This is IRC, we need no BBCode. :p 12:09:00 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-15-185.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 12:09:09 <Darkvater> http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2472/fetestitransport16thsep2008cu6.th.png << just this :) 12:09:09 <stefanbeton> offf 12:09:16 <AsterixMG> thats not the monorail-toolbar 12:09:25 <Darkvater> crap 12:09:28 <Darkvater> thumbnail ;p 12:09:34 <stefanbeton> <a href="http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fetestitransport16thsep2008cu6.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2472/fetestitransport16thsep2008cu6.th.png" border="0" alt="Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us" /></a> 12:09:46 <peter1138> mmm 12:09:48 <Born_Acorn> HTML doesn't work ether. 12:09:50 <AsterixMG> no wonder it doesn't work, if you try to replace the track by the same tracktype, stefanbeton 12:09:52 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: that is not the monorail toolbar 12:09:52 <Born_Acorn> Just the link. 12:09:54 <Noldo> Darkvater: th was easy enough to remove 12:10:03 <Noldo> stefanbeton: stop it, please 12:10:14 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: click on the rail-button on top BUT hold the mouse button pressed down 12:10:31 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: a dropdown box will appear with available railtypes. choose monorail from that 12:10:34 <Darkvater> now you can convert 12:10:43 <Born_Acorn> It looks like there are trains in that depot too. 12:10:49 <Born_Acorn> You can't convert trains. 12:10:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:55 <Born_Acorn> (Automatically) 12:10:56 <stefanbeton> ok 12:11:02 <stefanbeton> thank you 12:11:06 <stefanbeton> i try now 12:11:10 <Darkvater> good thing I asked for a picture, this could've taken hours 12:12:06 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:12:46 <Darkvater> can someone update the wiki to say somewhere that you can keep the mouse button pressed to get a dropdown list? 12:13:12 <stefanbeton> :(( 12:13:23 <stefanbeton> don't work 12:13:25 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 12:13:25 <Torm> !logs 12:13:38 <AsterixMG> Darkvater, yesterday you said i should put the saving of the statistics in the stationstruct, instead of making a separate loop. 12:14:01 <AsterixMG> Darkvater, but how do i save a struct within a struct without using a separate loop? 12:14:02 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: either way. but it's good how you did it 12:14:46 <Torm> stefanbeton: did you get the sound effects working dude? 12:14:51 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: what are you trying to convert? 12:15:10 <Darkvater> oh wait, you're converting the depot 12:15:28 <Darkvater> you cannot convert the depot with trains inside... 12:15:29 <Darkvater> right? 12:15:34 <stefanbeton> ufff - thank you 12:15:38 * Darkvater honestly doesn't know anymore 12:15:38 <stefanbeton> it works 12:15:44 <stefanbeton> :) 12:15:48 <stefanbeton> yupiii 12:15:55 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: what works and what did you do? 12:16:00 <stefanbeton> thanks guys 12:16:18 <stefanbeton> i press the button much longer 12:16:27 <pumpkin> Darkvater: nope, depots have to be emptied before converting. 12:16:42 <Darkvater> then i was right :) 12:16:54 <stefanbeton> i destroied all my trains 12:16:56 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: see :). Now try this same method with the other buttons on the menubar 12:17:10 <Darkvater> stefanbeton: and you will see a whole world of new possibilities open up to you 12:17:10 <stefanbeton> ok 12:17:21 <stefanbeton> waw 12:17:27 <stefanbeton> best game ever 12:17:31 <Darkvater> :) 12:17:37 <stefanbeton> :) 12:17:47 <stefanbeton> i go back to play 12:17:52 <stefanbeton> thanks 12:18:29 <Darkvater> np 12:24:05 <Brianetta> Did his sound ever get fixed? 12:24:31 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:30 <peter1138> hmm 12:28:44 <peter1138> 10 fans in one machine is... quite noisy 12:31:03 <mikk36> depends 12:31:07 <Eddi|zuHause> put it in the other room ;) 12:31:18 <mikk36> u don't have to run all 10 on full power 12:31:53 <pumpkin> peter1138: Mac have shitloads of fan. Most run very, very quiet, since all fans are running very, very slowly. 12:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i have like 5 fans 12:32:15 <peter1138> these are running at about 4500rpm 12:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> where one is not working 12:32:24 <peter1138> oh, there're 11 fans, one runs at 2800rpm though 12:32:48 <Darkvater> :O they're running 45000rpm combined 12:32:51 <Darkvater> sweet ^^ 12:32:52 <peter1138> this has 4 fans in the middle of the case, 2 at the back, the cpu fan of course, and 1 for each of the 3 PSUs 12:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause> my graphic card fan is not working 12:33:52 <peter1138> and the harddrives are still 35-40 deg C 12:34:29 <peter1138> mind you, it is building the raid 6 at the moment 12:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't seem to get the ATI drivers to work with X.Org 7.1 12:35:47 <Torm> random question: why does rev.c contain separate version information for MorphOS? 12:35:51 <pumpkin> Eddi|zuHause: do you just need 2D or do you want 3D ? 12:36:00 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: it's probably due to driver incompatibilities with your non-working fan 12:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it all worked with X.Org 6.9 12:36:39 <Eddi|zuHause> except the fan ;) 12:36:44 <Brianetta> Something I learnt about fans in computers: Brushless fans are quite and more reliable. The magnets turn, driven by fixed coils. The torque is provided by three-phase AC electricity, which is produced by a small solid state inverter. That transister you can see under the fan's hub is a three-phase inverter. 12:37:35 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:37:47 <pumpkin> The thing i learned about them: do not trust them. So thanks to voltage and frequency modding my laptop does not need a fan anymorre. 12:38:13 <Darkvater> Brianetta: wow you learned quite a lot compared to me. All I learned was to buy Papst fans cause they're silent 12:38:29 <Brianetta> Darkvater: I have a wikipedia habit. ): 12:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> pumpkin: as soon as i use 3D, the graphic card overheats anyway ;) (if i don't use an external fan) 12:38:45 <Sacro> Brianetta: theres a fine line between habit and fetish :p 12:38:58 <Darkvater> his has just crossed it 12:39:01 <Brianetta> ! 12:39:16 <mikk36> Brianetta, QUIET 12:39:20 <mikk36> not quite 12:39:42 * Sacro *hides* 12:39:56 * Born_Acorn *cloaks* 12:40:23 <Darkvater> isn't it: to learn, learned, learnt? 12:40:27 <pumpkin> Eddi|zuHause: 11 fans and it overheats ? what is it, a radeon X1000000 ? 12:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have 11 fans, that was peter 12:40:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i said my fan is broken 12:41:02 <Sacro> Darkvater: could well be 12:41:17 <Sacro> pumpkin: its a 747 :| 12:42:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and it is a radeon 9700 12:42:44 <pumpkin> Eddi|zuHause: use the open-s radeon driver. It will give you working 2D, but no 3D. 12:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i do that currently, but it causes lots of graphic glitches 12:43:22 <Eddi|zuHause> flickering screen when a lot of things change 12:43:51 <peter1138> hmm 12:43:52 <pumpkin> Eddi|zuHause: sound like itŽs under/over clocked or the VRAM is too hot. 12:43:52 <mikk36> Darkvater, it's learn, learnt, learnt and learn, learned, learned 12:44:17 <Darkvater> mikk36: meh? so which one is it? 12:44:23 <mikk36> both ;) 12:44:25 <peter1138> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=325&objectid=10400645 12:44:32 <Darkvater> he, that sucks 12:44:39 <mikk36> http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/irregular-verbs/ 12:44:42 <mikk36> hf 12:44:56 <mikk36> simple google search :D 12:45:09 <Sacro> at least we only have the 1 word for "the" 12:45:24 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 12:45:31 <Darkvater> peter1138: I thought someone was going to switch off the electric grid for a few days to get a baby-bang in 9 months 12:46:38 <pumpkin> Darkvater: days ? 12:46:55 <Darkvater> Dr Cox dismissed worries that by adventuring into the unknown and creating tiny black holes, the machine could even destroy the planet. 12:46:59 <Darkvater> "The probability is at the level of 10 to the minus 40," he said. 12:47:03 <Darkvater> *phew(, that's reassuring 12:47:34 <Darkvater> pumpkin: to give'em every opportunity and reach the masses 12:48:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CBFD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:50:17 <pumpkin> "They estimate the possibility of accidentally destroying the planet as extremely low.". Now i know why you ever find aliens. At some point every "inteligent" race will destroy itself by creating blacks holes ... 12:51:26 <Darkvater> *never ^ 12:51:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:45 <Eddi|zuHause> first it is: "the possibility is extremely low", next time it is "we have always done it this way", until something actually happens, because the prerequisites changed 12:53:52 <Sacro> i really want yorkshire pudding right now :( 12:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause> have a swedish drink :p 12:54:56 <Sacro> ? 12:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a term from the 30 years war 12:56:04 <Sacro> oh, ok 12:56:21 <Born_Acorn> newsounds! 12:56:29 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176109031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:56:32 <Darkvater> Born_Acorn on a stick! 12:56:42 <Born_Acorn> :O 12:56:54 <Brianetta> Black holes are clearly easier to make than FTL transport 12:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it means you take a funnel, and a basket of liquid manure, and put it down someone's throat 12:57:33 <Eddi|zuHause> it is said to be done by swedish hordes during the 30 years war 12:58:14 <Sacro> ew 12:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwedentrunk 13:01:40 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:01:46 <peter1138> moo 13:02:08 <Belugas> indeed 13:05:03 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:04 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N787P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:45 <glx> Brianetta: I can do svn+ssh with putty :) 13:13:52 <Brianetta> Cool. 13:14:02 <Sacro> glx: putty is cool 13:14:08 <Sacro> im just using the wonders of screen 13:14:13 <Brianetta> I'll need your OpenSSH compatible public key 13:14:30 <Brianetta> You can get it by loading your key into PuTTYGen and copying it from the field of that name 13:14:36 <Brianetta> It's just a string of text 13:16:35 <glx> is it ok if I paste it here? 13:16:40 <Brianetta> yes 13:16:44 <glx> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABJQAAAIBy48zSifCted2cnhG1RvJTwmYpUFX2T6IET+z/PcZBliFc4PO+tGUH6kFKoYRVlHdQV5WB7xwh6NiZof57oXeCEoDta5gB3rffZLLIaIjcYSI2wVtfMfbGs442MjclCqA0KmyJuOpeUU6DQt46D4xpBL+/dseiUh1fHiM0aiaWZw== rsa-key-20060913 13:16:55 * Sacro wonders if its worth yoinking 13:17:05 <jez> I'm a bit confused by the sprite drawing code, like DrawSprite() 13:17:12 <jez> anyone care to explain how it works, with palettes? 13:17:40 <Sacro> jez: what are you up to? it seems quite suspicious 13:17:45 <Brianetta> Sacro: Not unless you plan to grant glx access to some of your own systems 13:18:07 <jez> Sacro: lol, suspicious? 13:18:13 <Brianetta> glx: svn co svn+ssh://svn@ppcis.org/autopilot 13:18:37 <Sacro> Brianetta: hmm, not really, theres only my domain, and my work stuff that i use ssh for accessing 13:19:40 <glx> Brianetta: I need to configure a session in putty 13:19:42 <Brianetta> Unfortunately, there's no way to give anonymous access 13:19:47 <Brianetta> not with ssh 13:20:09 <Brianetta> glx: You probably do. That's the svn URL you need, though 13:20:10 *** izhirahi1er is now known as izhirahider 13:20:16 <Sacro> http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/772/772702/img_3889673.html i spy a signalling bug 13:20:24 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:20:41 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:43 <Sacro> and a sexy 125 13:20:57 <Sacro> class 43 even (i think) 13:21:18 <Brianetta> HST 13:21:37 <Sacro> im reckoning that the signal above it should be red 13:21:41 <Brianetta> and yes, that signal should be red 13:22:25 <Sacro> but still, its gonna be an amazing sim when it comes out 13:22:35 <Brianetta> Only if it's amazingly Linux aware 13:22:48 <Sacro> i doubt it 13:22:54 <Brianetta> I doubt I'll run it 13:23:09 <Brianetta> Apparently Trainz is in development for Linux 13:23:11 <Sacro> im thinking of getting X2 for linux 13:23:14 <pumpkin> i doubt my gfx willrun that ... 13:23:14 <Brianetta> although I'm not holding my breath 13:23:15 <Sacro> yeah, i heard that 13:23:32 <Sacro> i dont like Trainz much though 13:24:22 <Sacro> i want a nice Train Simulation, and a nice Driving simulation, and a nice Flight simulation and then i'll be happy 13:24:24 <Sacro> and fail uni 13:24:40 <Brianetta> Midtown Madness! 13:24:50 <Sacro> ooh yes, that was fun 13:24:51 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:25:30 <Sacro> mmm, multiplayer Rail Simming will be nice 13:26:07 <glx> Brianetta: can't create tunnel :( 13:26:36 * Sacro hands glx a spade 13:26:37 <Brianetta> What are you trying? 13:26:50 <jez> who could help explain to me how sprite drawing works in OpenTTD? 13:26:56 <Sacro> theres an Oxford - Paddington line :| 13:27:00 <Sacro> jez: whoever wrote it 13:27:18 <Brianetta> Sacro: There were more than that once 13:27:24 <glx> Brianetta: svn co svn+ssh://svn@ppcis.org/autopilot autopilot 13:27:39 <Brianetta> OK 13:27:42 <Sacro> Brianetta: true 13:27:55 <Sacro> is paddington the WCML terminus, or is that Euston 13:28:00 <Brianetta> How did you configure it to use PuTTY? 13:28:01 <Sacro> or even St Pancreas 13:28:03 <glx> Brianetta: my fault (wrong SVN_SSH :) ) 13:28:06 <jez> sigh 13:28:09 <Brianetta> Sacro: Paddington 13:28:38 <jez> hasnt anyone had experience of this? 13:28:39 <Sacro> Brianetta: ah, cool 13:29:42 <Sacro> jez: peter1138 might have 13:30:01 <Sacro> ooh, Intercity Swallow Livery, now thats nice 13:30:48 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 13:31:39 <Brianetta> Oh wait, no, it's Euston 13:31:44 <Brianetta> I was thinking of the Bristol line 13:31:57 <Sacro> isnt Oxford to the north though 13:32:01 <Brianetta> which isn't the WCML, even though it's the only one that nears the west coast 13:32:09 <jez> i dont understand all this shifting, << PALETTE_SPRITE_START 13:32:09 <Sacro> hmm 13:32:19 <jez> something to do with palette remapping but i cant see documentation on the details 13:32:46 <Brianetta> jez: Nobody here knows what you're on about 13:33:48 <Sacro> ooh, FGW let the sound engineers onboard 13:33:55 <Sacro> so its gonna sound sweeeeet 13:35:18 <Brianetta> How do you know? 13:35:33 <Brianetta> Have you heard the sound from within a train cab before? 13:35:42 <Sacro> well...err... its better than sitting on the train, or on the platform recording 13:35:46 <Sacro> no i havent 13:36:58 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.theguild2.com/index.php?lang=de&rid=1463 <- that's the game i'm waiting for right now 13:37:59 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-15-185.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:07 <Sacro> im not into RPGs 13:38:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not... it's an economy simulation 13:39:38 <Sacro> oh right 13:40:19 <glx> Brianetta: now connection works (no errors) but nothing happens 13:40:49 <XeryusTC> Medieval life simulation with overwhelming 3D graphics Unique blend of RPG, strategy and business simulation <- both :P 13:41:07 <Brianetta> Sep 13 13:42:29 sarah sshd[24524]: fatal: Timeout before authentication for 82.245.blah 13:41:19 <glx> that's me :) 13:41:35 <Brianetta> So you're specifying your private key properly? 13:41:51 <glx> I think so 13:45:34 <Brianetta> Bloody hell 13:45:53 <Brianetta> Putty's SVN trunk is hosted at tartarus.org 13:46:00 <Brianetta> That's a friend of mine from boarding school 13:47:01 <Brianetta> http://discussion.dreamhost.com/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=forum_troubleshooting&Number=54121&page=1&view=expanded&sb=3&o=7&part= 13:47:05 <Brianetta> Is that what you followed? 13:47:45 <Brianetta> I particularly like step 4 13:49:59 <Brianetta> I guess glx uses nick notification in IRC 13:50:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:50:17 <glx> hmm? 13:50:27 <glx> you mean highlight? 13:50:30 <Brianetta> yeah (: 13:50:57 <Brianetta> So, you have your PuTTY session all set up 13:51:45 <Brianetta> and you told svn that ssh was really plink 13:52:05 <Brianetta> all correct so far? 13:52:18 <glx> yes 13:52:32 <Brianetta> What happens if you just try to connect with PuTTY alone? 13:53:05 <Brianetta> You *should* see rubbish like this: 13:53:05 <Brianetta> ( success ( 1 2 ( ANONYMOUS EXTERNAL ) ( edit-pipeline ) ) ) 13:53:24 <glx> yes :) 13:53:42 <Brianetta> Excellent, PuTTY is correctly configured, and the subversion server was spawned for you. 13:53:53 <Brianetta> Now, next suspect is plink 13:54:07 <Brianetta> [tunnels] 13:54:07 <Brianetta> ssh = $SVN_SSH plink 13:54:12 <Brianetta> Is that in your config? 13:54:32 <glx> now it works (putty needed to store your server key :) ) 13:54:36 <Brianetta> aha 13:54:40 <Brianetta> good, that's it 13:55:21 <Brianetta> Don;t worry about multiple motds 13:55:49 <glx> svn co done :) 13:55:54 <Brianetta> Excellent. 13:56:28 <Brianetta> You can't commit yet 13:57:14 <Brianetta> But, you can make svn diffs 13:57:28 <glx> that should be enough :) 13:57:37 <Brianetta> for now (: 13:57:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:17 <Darkvater> jez: what don't you understand about sprites? 14:01:13 <peter1138> well, they can be a bit mysterious to those not in the know 14:01:27 <Darkvater> who says they aren't? 14:01:29 <Darkvater> :) 14:02:04 <Darkvater> hmm, I've selected a whole sheet in excel and pressed CTRL+C 14:02:07 <Darkvater> stupid thing to do :( 14:02:23 <Darkvater> pc's been mostly unresponsive for a minute now 14:02:27 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:37 <hylje> hahah 14:04:47 <hylje> its probably swapping itself to oblivion 14:05:34 <Darkvater> yeah 14:05:55 <Darkvater> it's just like when I debug my VBA macro, then dare to put ActiveSheet in the watch window and open it up 14:05:58 <Darkvater> [+] 14:06:07 <Darkvater> it goes insane for at least 10 minutes 14:06:20 <Sacro> VBA is fun 14:06:50 <Sacro> i upset my tutor by learning in a few days more than he'd learnt ina few years 14:07:06 <Sacro> he had no idea you could make subroutines 14:07:52 <Sacro> had to have 2 buttons, A and B, and then button C which did A+B, he cloned A and B source to make C, i told C to do A followed by B 14:08:07 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:08:10 <Darkvater> damn, 47 seconds to bring up the taskmanager 14:08:29 <Sacro> ouch 14:08:31 <hylje> hah 14:09:35 <grimrc> ooo 14:10:30 <Darkvater> o_O 14:10:39 <Darkvater> excel is using 426MB 14:10:57 <grimrc> heh 14:10:59 * Darkvater thinks he should kill it 14:11:17 <grimrc> did you load a dodgy sheet? 14:11:18 <peter1138> 2007 beta? 14:11:42 <Darkvater> ah, blissfully silence :) 14:11:49 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: broadband! 14:11:52 <Darkvater> no 2000 and a near-emtpy sheet 14:12:27 <peter1138> yes, it's 8meg 14:12:46 <Darkvater> what's the speed? 14:13:05 <Prof_Frink> either 512k or 1Mb 14:13:12 <Prof_Frink> depending on who was lying 14:13:18 <Darkvater> 512K is 4mbit 14:13:39 <Sacro> Darkvater: Mbit surely? 14:13:46 <Darkvater> I get about 560KB/s at home, cable 4mbit 14:13:52 <Darkvater> M 14:13:59 <Sacro> theres no such thing as a millibit 14:14:16 <Prof_Frink> sure there is 14:14:17 * Darkvater slaps Sacro around with a humid millibit 14:14:27 <Prof_Frink> one bit every 1000s 14:14:33 <Prof_Frink> == 1mb/s 14:14:42 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: ooh, didnt think of that 14:14:55 <Sacro> but it'd take aaaaaaaaaaaaages to get any data 14:15:01 <grimrc> still true there's no such thing as a milibit though 14:15:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 14:15:52 <Darkvater> hmm 14:15:56 <Darkvater> don't do this: 14:15:57 <grimrc> or milli 14:15:58 <Darkvater> shit 14:16:20 <Sacro> Darkvater: ? 14:16:25 <Darkvater> lost my paste ;p 14:16:42 <Sacro> all that effort its took 14:17:11 <Darkvater> okay, if you wanna upset excel: 14:17:18 <Darkvater> ActiveSheet.Copy before:=Worksheets(1) 14:17:18 <Darkvater> ActiveSheet.Name = "New - " & Format(Date, "mmmm dd yyyy") 14:17:18 <Darkvater> Cells.Select 14:17:18 <Darkvater> Selection.Value = Selection.Value 14:17:19 <Darkvater> Selection.Clear 14:17:33 <Darkvater> don't do lines 3&4 ever 14:17:34 <Darkvater> :s 14:17:49 <hylje> heh 14:18:06 * Darkvater goes find a better way 14:18:10 <Sacro> i dont mind 3, but 4 doesnt do anything does it? 14:18:30 <Darkvater> it copies the cells back 'by value' 14:18:52 <Darkvater> at least it should if excel wasn't so fucking retarded to die when you do this to the whole sheet 14:19:07 *** stefanbeton [stefan@86.105.52.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:31 <Sacro> heh 14:19:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean it should replace all formulas by their values? 14:19:43 <Sacro> its vaguely less retarded than OOo macros 14:19:50 <grimrc> changing formulae to values? 14:19:58 <grimrc> damn too slow 14:20:00 <Darkvater> ya 14:20:05 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:20:27 <grimrc> isn't there a better way? 14:20:48 * Darkvater is looking for it...found the paste function but had to close all windows cause excel hogged the whole machine 14:21:11 <grimrc> not that I know one 14:28:34 <jez> Anyone know if it's possible to change the text on an OpenTTD widget using a builtin function, or do i have to manually draw the text on top of the widget? 14:30:38 <Darkvater> there we go 14:30:39 <Darkvater> ActiveSheet.Copy before:=Worksheets(1) 14:30:39 <Darkvater> ActiveSheet.Name = "New - " & Format(Date, "mmmm dd yyyy") 14:30:39 <Darkvater> Cells.Copy 14:30:39 <Darkvater> Cells.PasteSpecial Paste:=xlPasteValues 14:31:07 <Darkvater> jez: before a call to DrawWindowWidgets() you can change the widget text. 14:31:12 <Sacro> hmm, how to pause mpg123 14:31:23 <Brianetta> Sacro: Ctrl+Z 14:31:26 <Belugas> jez, you can change the stringid used on paint event... 14:31:32 <Darkvater> jez: for example to change the window title, which is almost always widget 1, do: w->widgets[0].data = STR_JEZ_STRING 14:31:34 <Sacro> Brianetta: thanks 14:31:45 <Sacro> and when its in screen... 14:31:53 <Brianetta> the same 14:31:59 <Darkvater> jez: if you want it changed permanently I highly recommend to change it in WE_CREATE 14:32:02 <Brianetta> continue with fg 14:32:04 <Sacro> ah, i was pressing q 14:32:13 <jez> hmm, but is there a way for me to put custom text on there rather than a string id; eg. a number? 14:32:29 <Darkvater> Belugas: preferrably not we_paint 14:32:32 <Sacro> that is a string 14:32:37 <Darkvater> jez: yes DoDrawString() 14:32:48 <jez> that's what i was saying before, manually drawing the string 14:32:49 <Darkvater> but not on a widget that already has a string 14:32:53 <jez> not really doing it 'officially' 14:33:00 <jez> there's no 'official' way to do it 14:33:32 <glx> Brianetta: first diff http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/autopilot/say_game_delay.diff <-- motd is screwed without that for me (very slow cpu) 14:33:54 <jez> Darkvater: if i manually draw the text, it won't move when you click the button. 14:33:58 <Darkvater> jez: DoDrawString is the official way to add something totally custom 14:34:45 <Darkvater> jez: yeah 14:34:51 <jez> would i need to check the button's click_state and draw the text 1px down/left if it was true? 14:34:54 <Brianetta> screwed how? 14:35:03 <glx> the lines are mixed 14:35:20 <glx> or I get only 1 line, or ... 14:35:41 <Darkvater> jez: that would solve it, yes 14:36:36 <glx> Brianetta: the problem is the newline comes before the previous is fully drawn 14:40:24 <Brianetta> hmm 14:40:32 <Brianetta> sleeps in event based programs are very bad 14:40:37 <Brianetta> because they stop the event loop 14:41:05 <Brianetta> and that funtion doesn't just print the motd 14:41:16 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC595D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:41:23 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/autopilot/screwed_motd.png <-- that's what I get 14:41:38 <Brianetta> it could conceivably make the autopiot miss game events (join, quit, etc) if there was a busy IRC channel 14:42:37 <Brianetta> OK, a better fix would be to concatenate the three motd variables then send them once 14:46:19 <glx> indeed the bug is in OpenTTD (global var in multithread :) ) 14:46:45 * Brianetta waits for pastebin 14:47:07 <Brianetta> It's in openttd? hmm, not good 14:47:29 <glx> and only for windows I think 14:49:19 <Brianetta> http://pastebin.ca/168980 14:49:30 <Brianetta> Does that help at all? 14:54:13 <Brianetta> What's the spec of your server? 14:54:39 <glx> extra characters after close-brace 14:54:39 <glx> while compiling 14:54:39 <glx> "say_game "[string map \"NAME {[lr..... 14:54:45 <Brianetta> hmmm 14:56:06 <CIA-2> miham * r6446 /trunk/lang/ (slovak.txt swedish.txt): 14:56:06 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-13 16:54:09 14:56:06 <CIA-2> slovak - 2 fixed, 1 changed by lengyel (3) 14:56:06 <CIA-2> swedish - 50 fixed by daishan (50) 14:56:07 <Brianetta> some extra [ and ] need escaping 14:56:20 <Brianetta> I can't see it helping, if it's an openttd problem 14:56:48 *** Xeryus|slaap [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:57:10 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:18 *** Xeryus|slaap is now known as XeryusTC 15:06:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77E37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 15:09:31 <ln-> startkeylogger 15:09:39 <Kjetil> older than the internets ! 15:11:22 <Sacro> ahh, the lag 15:12:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-184-101.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:59 <hylje> windwood 15:31:44 <jez> hmm 15:32:10 <jez> how can I get a widget's current left, right, top and bottom values? 15:37:19 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-184-101.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:37:26 <Belugas> w->widgets[x].left/right/top/bottom 15:38:38 <hylje> can you by any chance tweak where new windows spawn 15:38:49 <hylje> i dont want them spawn to far away from my mouse 15:41:12 <jez> Belugas: cheers 15:41:57 <jez> Belugas: hmm, i dont see a widgets property in the Window struct 15:42:01 <jez> did you mean widget? 15:46:08 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:46:13 <grimrc> 'Process 5455 detached' - any idea how I can get strace to follow a detached process? 15:48:18 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 15:48:49 <Belugas> jez.. yes, sorry 15:49:15 <grimrc> oh actually it is working; it detaches when it quits for some reason 15:49:48 <CIA-2> glx * r6447 /trunk/lang/swedish.txt: -Fix r6446: Readd the accidentally removed translations 15:49:49 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:30 *** Quaggy [~chatzilla@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust217.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:52:17 <Born_Acorn> ln-, startkeylogger was patched a long whiles ago. :p 15:52:47 <Born_Acorn> Me and orudge went to Dalnet's most popular channel and said it. 15:52:52 <Born_Acorn> Funny stuff. 15:52:59 <hylje> but dcc 0 0 0 is not easily patchable 15:53:38 <ln-> Born_Acorn: it doesn't mean people have patched their own installations. 15:54:06 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:54:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> what good is a virus protection that you do not update in months? 15:54:18 <Born_Acorn> Since the problem was caused by a Virus program, it got updated all the time automatically. 15:54:28 <peter1138> hmm 15:54:38 <Born_Acorn> So they wouldn't be on the internet if it wasn't patched. 15:54:41 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: honestly, people do not think that logically. 15:54:42 <peter1138> i am using a monitor with the word "Windows" burned into it, right in the middle 15:55:12 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:34 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:55:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:55:46 * Quaggy has not updated his norton virus definitions for 1year+ 15:55:57 *** Quaggy is now known as LilDood 15:55:59 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: see above. 15:56:17 * glx can say LilDood could remove his antivirus then (same effect) 15:56:21 * Eddi|zuHause2 sends all kinds of viruses towards LilDood 15:56:37 * LilDood runs to get er whats it called... 15:56:46 <LilDood> Avast! thats its 15:56:55 <Born_Acorn> (16:55:45) * Quaggy has not updated his norton virus definitions for 1year+ 15:57:03 <Born_Acorn> It's like suicide online! 15:57:03 <glx> avg free works well too 15:57:16 <LilDood> Indeedly 15:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i always used avg 15:57:27 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: well, only if you use windows :p 15:58:44 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CD3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> hmz... i fixed my dsl connection, but broke smbfs :p 16:00:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is never gonna end ;) 16:00:15 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:18 <hylje> user error. 16:00:19 <hylje> : 16:00:20 <hylje> P 16:00:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> :p 16:02:44 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-15-185.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 16:03:20 * LilDood fires up Avast! err... Yar! 16:04:36 *** Thad [~wha@ip-80-226-8-90.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:07 *** LilDood [~chatzilla@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust217.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N865P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:07:10 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:47 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:08:17 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:28 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CD3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:50 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:27:30 <Wolf01> hi 16:29:19 <CIA-2> glx * r6448 /trunk/lang/slovak.txt: -Fix r6446: Remove the accidentaly added empty strings 16:42:03 *** jonty_comp [Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:48:26 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:49:25 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:21 <Wolf01> boys, what about a ottd-sandbox where you are able to build anything by your hand without money (no economy system, just a railroad model) -> http://www.msichicago.org/scrapbook/scrapbook_exhibits/railroad/railroad_overall.jpg 16:55:55 <pumpkin> Wolf01: => http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Cheat ? 16:56:48 <Wolf01> you still can't build cities 16:57:44 *** Tron_ [nIBty6M9@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 16:57:56 <pumpkin> hmm... 16:58:06 *** Tron [Bo3Vl2Ld@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:07 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:41 <Wolf01> i already started to code a gui like the newstation one, but i need to be able to place stations which aren't stations, only a placemark for an eyecandy thing 17:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> this does not make any sense... 17:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> why not just place buildings? 17:02:00 <Wolf01> is what i tried to do 17:02:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> look what is done in the scenario editor, when expanding towns, or when towns grow in general 17:08:50 <Wolf01> i can't understand well the c language, as long as i need to copy and adapt something for my use (like the gui code) or code some conditions and calculations i'm able to do this, but pointers, structures and so on are like japanese for me 17:10:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> then maybe you should properly learn a programming language first 17:10:33 <Wolf01> what i need is a guy which knows well the c language and the ottd code which work with me (like frostregen with the adjacent stations patch) 17:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> needn't be C 17:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> any higher language would do 17:11:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, C is probably the worst language to learn for a beginner 17:11:22 <Wolf01> i know java and basic, not well but i can code complex things with them 17:11:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> the language does not matter, the concepts matter 17:12:15 <pumpkin> Eddi|zuHause2: java does not have C-style-pointers or mem-managment. 17:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know ;) 17:13:18 <PandaMojo> I don't know, C++ has more gotchyas, even if it DOES have more features... :P 17:13:36 <hylje> python! 17:13:39 <jez> Perl 17:13:42 <PandaMojo> Ruby! 17:13:50 <jez> VBscript 17:13:54 <Wolf01> eddi, i know that any language is suitable to code something, but if i find something like this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/g0pNzv13.html 17:13:54 <Wolf01> for me this is an alien language 17:14:22 <Wolf01> and this is c 17:14:29 <PandaMojo> lol 17:14:37 <PandaMojo> Death star! 17:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, those are fun ;) 17:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> there was that guy who asked how to code a christmas tree... and he actually got an answer :p 17:17:46 <Sacro> perl camels :D 17:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: but i don't think any ottd code looks like that ;) 17:19:14 <Sacro> it should 17:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, it should be steam engines and the like ;) 17:21:28 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-15-185.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:42 <Wolf01> ah, also i know a little the assembler, but a little, very little, i only made a supercar light panel and a memtest with a Z80 practice board :P 17:22:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> Z80... that sounds... ancient :p 17:22:55 <Wolf01> PIC is better 17:23:13 <Wolf01> i can code it in picbasic 17:23:21 <Sacro> nooooooo, picasm ftw 17:23:28 <Sacro> movlw, movwf 17:23:49 <PandaMojo> But obfuscated C code is so last century. Give me a jumble of C++ template + boost preprocessor metaprogramming any day :P 17:24:09 <hylje> metaprogramming 17:24:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have yet to see a obfuscated pascal program ;) 17:25:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> [is that even english?] 17:26:11 <PandaMojo> File iteration makes it all painfully readable though 17:27:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-142-2.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 17:28:32 <grimrc> Wolf01: it doesn't take that long to read through one of the many good C tutorials 17:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> let's make an obfuscated brainfuck contest ;) 17:29:11 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:46 <hylje> obfuscated... brainfuck? 17:30:11 <jez> who the hell wrote DrawPlayerFace() ? 17:30:14 <jez> i need to talk to them. 17:31:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> you want to fix the Extremly High Priority Showstopping Earring Bug? ;) 17:31:41 <Sacro> Earring? 17:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> the people have only one earring ;) 17:32:12 <grimrc> only one is drawn 17:32:28 <grimrc> so the TTD woman look even more lesbian that usually 17:32:35 <Belugas> jez, might give it a try using svn blame ;) 17:32:39 <grimrc> s/that/than/ 17:32:44 <Sacro> Belugas: my thoughts too 17:32:51 <Belugas> heheh 17:33:10 <jez> i cant get my head around that weird code 17:33:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> chances are, it falls back to revision 1 17:33:19 <jez> if ((((((face >> 7) ^ face) >> 7) ^ face) & 0x8080000) == 0x8000000) 17:33:27 <jez> that tests ethnicity, but i dont know how :-) 17:33:35 <PandaMojo> Oh god, the magic numbers 17:33:47 <glx> hehe nice arithmetic :) 17:34:33 <Belugas> yeah :) 17:34:45 <Belugas> which line, jez? 17:35:20 <jez> truelight it looks like 17:35:26 <glx> rev 1? 17:35:28 <jez> line 56 17:35:40 <jez> yeah, but rev1 was an import of the old rev 975 17:35:55 <glx> so you won't know who wrote that 17:36:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is very probable that nobody touched that in the last 2 years 17:36:21 <Sacro> probably an original 17:36:25 <Wolf01> the other thing is that is difficult to code a big program like ottd with the notepad++ (at least it has syntax colouring) 17:36:37 <jez> yeah, but how did they know what to write? 17:36:46 <Sacro> decompiler 17:36:49 <jez> were they basing this on some structure from the original TTD or did they make their own structure? 17:37:07 <Sacro> that looks like it was ripped straight from asm 17:37:08 <jez> seems they could make their own structure as they were starting from scratch, couldnt they? 17:37:14 <jez> it has comments 17:37:25 <Sacro> well who wrote the comments :p 17:37:37 <glx> comments could help to understand :) 17:37:37 <jez> has stuff like 'flag' which isnt a ripped variable 17:37:39 <jez> it's named properly 17:37:48 <jez> no not particularly useful comments 17:38:12 <jez> belugas, tron, celestar 17:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> afaik they took the assembler code, and reverse engineered that by hand 17:38:31 <Sacro> they? 17:38:42 <jez> belugas, tron, celestar, truelight 17:38:44 <Sacro> i think you mean "he" 17:38:55 <jez> they have contributed to the most recent revisions 17:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> they = whoever was responsible ;) 17:38:59 <glx> ludde did it 17:39:03 <Sacro> glx: yup 17:39:05 <jez> Belugas: you there? 17:39:09 <Sacro> i reckon that could be a ludde original 17:40:59 <glx> btw DrawPlayerFace() needs a full rewrite I think 17:41:56 <jez> i could do it if i understood the format of the .face variable 17:42:17 <glx> look the caller to see what is in the var 17:42:18 <jez> it's a uint32 with several smaller numbers packed into it 17:42:30 <jez> 'look the caller'? 17:42:51 <jez> the caller is the face dialog, which just randomly sets stuff 17:43:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, at first i would look at which of those if()s touch which bits 17:43:37 <Belugas> DrawPlayerFace is there as it is even before actual rev 1, by the way... 17:43:47 <Belugas> Yes, jez, i'm now there... 17:43:56 <Belugas> was searching on some dark achives vault ;) 17:44:49 <jez> Belugas: you're the only person who's here who might know something about that code 17:44:50 <jez> do you? :-) 17:44:52 <Belugas> jez, you forgot to call peter1138, glx, Rubidium, blathijs_, Darkvater... 17:45:08 <Sacro> Belugas: you trying to awake them all? 17:45:14 <jez> they dont seem to have contributed to the latest revision 17:45:21 <Belugas> no, i don't know a cent about it :) why would I ? 17:45:29 <Sacro> nobody mentioned BJARNI yet 17:45:37 <jez> you named sprites instead of magic numbers 17:45:43 <Belugas> yeah Sacro : Let's summon all devs :) 17:45:51 <jez> Belugas: i dont understand this SPRITE_PALETTE stuff 17:45:53 <jez> could you explain? 17:45:59 <Sacro> *coughs* /CTCP ping #openttd 17:46:08 <Belugas> jez, looking for certain pattern is not knowing the ins and outs of the overall system ;) 17:46:27 <Belugas> i don't have the time, jez, work@wok .. 17:46:34 <jez> huh?? 17:46:49 <Sacro> i think Belugas is supposed to be working 17:47:11 <jez> /* FIXME: real code uses -2 in zoomlevel 1 */ 17:47:15 <jez> such a useful comment 17:47:34 <glx> it should be for the one who wrote it 17:47:44 <jez> write-only code :-) 17:49:02 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-161.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 17:49:51 <glx> did you read the diff in http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24939 ? 17:50:05 <glx> to jez :) 17:50:48 <jez> yes 17:50:51 <jez> im working on it now 17:51:00 <jez> understanding the face code would help enormously 17:51:17 <glx> I think it should help to understand the content of face var 17:51:32 <jez> which means understanding the face code 17:52:21 <Belugas> once, that code was in a file called facedraw.c 17:52:30 <Belugas> if ever it might be usefull ;) 17:52:37 <jez> how'd you know? 17:53:09 <Belugas> i have sources prior of current svn 1 ;) 17:53:33 <Sacro> Belugas: :o 17:53:41 <jez> did whoever put that code in actually understand it 17:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> btw. why does it not start with revision 0? 17:53:52 <Sacro> Belugas: what rev? i think i have an old 295 somewher 17:54:04 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: because the first svn import would set it to 1 17:54:09 *** jonty_comp [Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:13 <Sacro> r0 would be pre-data 17:54:23 <Belugas> Sacro, i think we have the same sources 17:54:42 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 17:55:28 <Belugas> too bad /* $Id$ */ was not used back then 17:57:13 <grimrc> what is that stuff? 17:57:38 <Sacro> doxygen tags i think 17:58:17 <glx> no svn tags 17:58:34 <glx> hmm svn keywords indeed 17:58:35 <Sacro> oh yeah *slaps forehead* 18:03:48 <Prof_Frink> Bahahaha 18:03:58 <Sacro> ? 18:04:06 <Sacro> </Prof_Frink> 18:04:07 <Prof_Frink> It's a long time since my computer started thrashing at 7PM 18:04:25 <Prof_Frink> openttd nightly buildage 18:05:10 <Sacro> cronjob? 18:11:07 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:11:58 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 18:28:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-184-101.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:19 *** Tron_ [nIBty6M9@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:37:42 *** zcram [~zcram@88-196-155-96-wifi.est.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 18:44:47 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:01 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 19:01:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:03:19 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=491912#491912 19:03:22 <Born_Acorn> Oooooooooooh 19:05:05 <hylje> for great justice 19:05:13 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:02 * peter1138 looks 19:10:42 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CBFD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:12:15 <SpComb> not bad for a first post :o 19:12:35 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:12:53 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:15:28 *** zcram [~zcram@88-196-155-96-wifi.est.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.] 19:16:28 <Born_Acorn> Indeed 19:19:29 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CD3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:25 *** eper [eperdeme@eper.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:13 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 19:21:16 <jez> [18:31] <Eddi|zuHause2> you want to fix the Extremly High Priority Showstopping Earring Bug? ;) 19:21:19 <jez> [18:32] <Eddi|zuHause2> the people have only one earring ;) 19:21:21 <jez> [18:32] <grimrc> only one is drawn 19:21:21 <jez> [18:32] <grimrc> so the TTD woman look even more lesbian that usually 19:21:32 <jez> erm, i'm looking at TTD dos now... only 1 earring is drawn 19:21:37 <jez> when does it mirror the earring? 19:26:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> you'd probably need to draw new sprites for the other ear ;) 19:26:35 <jez> erm, yeah but im saying, why 'should' the game mirror the earring? 19:26:44 <jez> because it doesn't in the DOS TTD 19:29:58 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 19:37:08 *** pumpkin [~ram@ip-83-99-20-161.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:41:34 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 19:56:28 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: "So much for disabling the 'Waaaaaah reboot waaaaaaah' pestering mechanism after security updates - BRB"] 19:58:27 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-161-158.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 19:58:38 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:30 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:04:03 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-209-70.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:04:42 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-38.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:13:44 *** Turski_ [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:14:15 *** Turski_ [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:15:23 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 20:15:38 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:15:42 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:45 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-161-158.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 20:22:53 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CD3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:10 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 20:31:08 <jez> Is TTD still limited to 32 widgets per window? 20:32:11 <Sacro> jez: probably, nobody has altered TTD 20:32:43 <glx> jez: yes but someone is working on it 20:32:45 <Bjarni> OpenTTD is still limited to 32 since the branch is not done yet 20:33:07 <Bjarni> glx: not on TTD. There is work in progress on OpenTTD, not TTD :P 20:34:07 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:34:09 <Sacro> whoo, another pedant 20:34:25 <glx> no just Bjarni ;) 20:34:56 <jez> Bjarni: you know much about the 'face drawing' code? 20:35:06 <Bjarni> well 20:35:17 <Bjarni> I know !much about the face drawing code 20:35:29 <jez> how much is that? 20:35:46 <Bjarni> that's much inverted.... 20:35:50 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:35:51 <Bjarni> I never looked at the code 20:35:51 <jez> yeah yeah 20:35:54 <jez> hmm 20:36:08 <Belugas_Gone> bye 20:36:58 *** Carib [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-75-105.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:37:15 *** Carib [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-75-105.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #openttd [] 20:37:25 <Sacro> KUDr_wrk: just to let you know, Kuju Rail Simulator is using LUA for their signalling system scripts 20:37:49 <Bjarni> Kuju Rail Simulator? 20:37:52 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes 20:37:58 <Sacro> looks amazing 20:37:58 <KUDr> thanks for the info (was my idea too) 20:38:07 <KUDr> for prototyping only 20:38:17 <Sacro> KUDr: yes, it does seem like it could take off as a scripting language 20:38:35 <KUDr> lua is very simple to embed 20:38:41 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: yes <-- now that's a lame reply... I can see what you typed, so it's not a spelling contest :P 20:38:47 <KUDr> i have it already integrated with MiniIN 20:38:50 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:38:55 <Bjarni> I meant more like: what is Kuju Rail Simulator? 20:39:12 <Sacro> Bjarni: http://www.railsimulator.com/en/index.htm 20:39:38 <Sacro> it was going to be MSTS 2, but there was a fallout, so they restarted, got with EA and are doing an amazing simulation 20:39:44 *** e1ko_AfK is now known as e1ko 20:40:35 <Bjarni> ahh 20:40:37 <Bjarni> nice 20:40:49 <Bjarni> maybe this time it will actually be a nice one 20:40:54 <Bjarni> not like MS TS 20:41:27 <Bjarni> hehe, look at wallpaper 3. It's an old station, a steam train and a digital clock on the platform :P 20:41:51 <hylje> historical trains 20:41:52 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 20:41:53 <Sacro> yeah, but its a black 5 20:42:24 <jez> hmm, i'm trying to increase the size of a window 20:42:25 <Bjarni> a black 5? 20:42:49 <jez> i've changed the size in its WindowDesc struct, but it's not painting the background of the expanded window 20:42:53 <jez> what else do i need to do? 20:43:20 <Sacro> Bjarni: http://www.freefoto.com/preview.jsp?id=24-12-1 20:43:21 <glx> expand widgets too 20:43:22 <Bjarni> draw widgets in the new area 20:44:16 <Bjarni> <Sacro> it was going to be MSTS 2, but there was a fallout <-- they nuked the coders??? 20:44:28 <hylje> yes 20:44:30 <hylje> evil microsoft 20:44:52 <glx> they needed coders for vista :) 20:45:07 <Bjarni> why? 20:45:16 <Bjarni> isn't it bad enough already? 20:45:32 <jez> is there a widget for, like 'general background'? 20:45:33 <hylje> vista didnt have a train simulator game bundled 20:46:05 <glx> jez: you can use a WWT_PANEL 20:46:06 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, MS thought that train sims wherent as popular as flight sims, so ditched their plans 20:46:15 <Sacro> and told them they couldnt use their old source 20:46:39 <jez> hmm 20:46:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 20:46:46 <jez> looks like some windows are using WWT_IMGBTN for a general background 20:47:33 <glx> WWT_PANEL = WWT_IMGBTN 20:47:47 <Bjarni> Rail Simulator is one of a very exclusive range of Windows Vista launch titles, fully supported by 20:47:47 <Bjarni> Microsoft! Rail Simulator will make use of many of the new usability and graphics features of Vista further enhancing the user experience. <--- so to try it, we have to buy an OS we don't want? 20:47:49 <Bjarni> that sucks 20:47:53 <Sacro> mmm, shunting signals in OpenTTD 20:48:22 <Sacro> Bjarni: where are you reading that? 20:48:42 <hylje> is the rail simulator just driving trains around or management 20:48:46 <Bjarni> http://www.kuju.com/news/leipzigannounce050906.htm 20:49:11 <Sacro> :o oh noes, after what they did 20:49:22 <Sacro> hylje: not sure, im hoping its got management 20:51:13 * Bjarni wonders about sueing kuju if they make it vista only 20:51:32 <Bjarni> I mean, if you can sue a homepage for not being friendly enough for blind people... 20:52:01 <Sacro> can i sue Zonealarm, you need a mouse to do their installer 20:52:27 <Bjarni> that's different 20:53:22 <jez> I think i'm going to rejig this face drawing code a bit 20:53:25 <jez> it's horrible at the moment 20:53:34 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: You can bust down peoples doors and have them arrested if they use Lynx 20:53:37 <Bjarni> by demanding vista, they are supporting the creating and maintaining a monopole, which is illegal and they want me to spend money because they support one OS only 20:53:41 <jez> Bjarni: will you commit this face patch if it's good enough quality? 20:54:04 <hylje> sue ms for *selling* an *OS* 20:54:05 <Bjarni> jez: did you write it? 20:54:16 <Bjarni> hylje: now that's an idea :) 20:54:18 <glx> jez: first make a patch for face drawing rewrite :) 20:54:35 <Bjarni> also they got money to pay when they lose :) 20:55:09 * Bjarni slaps Sacro 20:55:10 <jez> Bjarni: do you mean have i written it already? 20:55:41 <Bjarni> getting me all excited and then it's vista only.... I'm not going to buy vista to play a single game 20:55:50 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p50819BCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 20:55:51 <Sacro> Bjarni: :p 20:55:55 <Bjarni> then again, MS might give it to me for free 20:56:00 <Sacro> i never knew it was vista only until you pointed it out 20:56:04 <Bjarni> I mean, they gave me XP for free 20:56:06 <Sacro> Bjarni: if ms wont, bittorrent will 20:56:24 <Bjarni> seriously, MS gave me XP for free 20:56:25 <pv2b> Bjarni: move to sweden after the pirate party gets into the swedish parliament :-) 20:56:28 <Sacro> Bjarni: how? 20:57:07 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 20:57:26 <Bjarni> student at a technical university.. I guess they wanted me to learn about their products before I end up in companies and recommend what software the company should buy. 20:58:21 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: and now you've used it, you can make an informed decision: "Hell no!" 20:58:30 <Bjarni> so I got XP, but lacked hardware to install it on when I got it... usually it's the other way around :) 20:58:33 <pv2b> or steal a laptop? then you'll have a legal oem copy of vista... 20:58:37 <Sacro> Bjarni: well Hull Uni has ties with MS and Nintendo, so i might get a copy 20:58:49 <Sacro> i could also do an XBOX and Wii port :P 20:59:22 <Bjarni> well, to get it, I had to take a special course. Didn't know that before I took it anyway 20:59:36 <Bjarni> coding hardware/software interfaces 21:00:00 <Sacro> well tbh, ill just run linux until they give me a student copy of Visual C# 21:00:16 <Sacro> and ill say "but this needs windows :( and me (being a poor student) cant afford it" 21:00:43 <Bjarni> oh, I think they gave me the full visual studio package... I think 21:00:57 *** e1ko is now known as afko 21:01:00 <Bjarni> maybe I got it somewhere 21:01:15 *** afko is now known as e1ko 21:01:29 <Bjarni> but using gcc and Xcode will not make you start coding on windows instead XD 21:01:30 <Sacro> Bjarni: probably student edition 21:01:34 <Bjarni> no 21:01:40 <Bjarni> they gave us the full versions 21:02:17 <Bjarni> Windows XP pro, full version of all the other apps they offered, not some student stuff 21:02:22 * Sacro 's jaw DROPS http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?p=670175 21:02:26 <Bjarni> oh, I also got Virtual PC 21:02:47 <glx> so you can run the others on a mac :) 21:02:51 <Bjarni> I don't think I used it though 21:03:14 <Bjarni> <glx> so you can run the others on a mac :) <-- no, the windows one.... I don't know why I would want to use it, but I got it 21:03:20 <Bjarni> it was free :) 21:03:35 <jez> Bjarni: i was asking, is the principle of a face patch alright? where you can customize the face better? 21:03:44 <jez> it will still use existing GRF sprites 21:04:30 <Bjarni> hmm 21:04:39 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:04:45 * Bjarni never cared much for the face thing 21:05:05 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 21:05:24 <Bjarni> but I guess it's ok to add such a feature 21:06:09 <Sacro> hmm, i reckon i need to learn about DB trains and signalling 21:06:09 <jez> yeah 21:06:14 <jez> so it would be ok to commit 21:06:21 <Bjarni> if it works... 21:06:31 <Bjarni> Sacro: well, it can't be that tricky 21:06:44 <Bjarni> I mean, the Germans can figure it out, so it can't be that hard 21:06:45 <glx> if the style is ok... 21:07:01 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:17 <Sacro> Bjarni: true... 21:07:18 <Bjarni> jez: use the coding style and try to find whatever bugs it might contain and so on 21:07:24 <jez> ok 21:07:54 <glx> jez: and if you can cleanup the drawing code, it will be better :) 21:07:55 <Bjarni> Sacro: also, I don't think it would be harder for me to learn the German system than say the English or American ones 21:08:21 * Bjarni is limited to know only one system well 21:08:37 <Bjarni> and nobody makes official stuff using that one :( 21:08:49 <Sacro> Bjarni: english is very hard 21:09:09 <Bjarni> Sacro: for you, all of them are very hard :P 21:09:12 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:09:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:09:21 <Sacro> Bjarni: stop picking on me 21:09:38 <Bjarni> actually all of them are very hard until you get the system 21:10:23 <Bjarni> don't try to memorise the signals and don't try to understand them signal by signal. You should try to understand the idea of the signals, then learning each signal will be a whole lot easier 21:11:10 <Bjarni> like red is stop on all of them.. Understand those standards and understand the ideas of blocks, then the rest should follow 21:12:21 <Bjarni> the problem is that I have never seen a webpage where the systems are described, only signal by signal and you have to memorise all of them... not good :P 21:12:47 <Sacro> red = stop 21:12:50 <Sacro> green = go :D 21:13:49 <Bjarni> see 21:13:59 <Bjarni> now you are catching up 21:14:28 <Sacro> :o class 55 21:14:58 *** Guest56 [Gono@N785P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:15:18 <Bjarni> what about it? 21:15:27 <Bjarni> it's a diesel alright 21:15:32 <Sacro> in rail simulator 21:15:39 <Sacro> yes, the best diesel going 21:15:44 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-145-18.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:52 <Bjarni> got two engines 21:16:02 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-197-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 21:16:29 <Bjarni> with a tendency to having fire in the exhaust pipes 21:16:41 <Bjarni> URL to that engine? 21:17:44 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_55 21:18:40 <Bjarni> bah 21:18:46 <Bjarni> I meant in the simulator :P 21:19:04 <Sacro> none yet, its only in FAQ 21:19:20 <Sacro> so, Black 5, HST, some DB 101, and a Deltic 21:19:25 <Bjarni> Well the good news....and I'm sure its not a secret ( Railnews 11)...but our own Chris Baily has joined Kuju as their railway content advisor. 21:19:25 <Bjarni> So hopefully no glaring errors in the future. 21:19:37 <Bjarni> where is the faq? 21:19:41 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N865P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:26 <Sacro> http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?t=49914&sid=1f0c6196b141c771328a3450a28857b9 21:20:33 <Bjarni> [23:16] <Bjarni> with a tendency to having fire in the exhaust pipes 21:20:33 <Bjarni> [23:16] <Bjarni> URL to that engine? <-- did you read that line as "oh, I don't know that engine. Can you tell me what it looks like?" or something? 21:20:43 *** sayno [~sayno@ppp-168-253-11-117.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:21 <Sacro> Bjarni: well you asked for a URL to that engine, and thats what you go :p 21:23:18 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 21:23:21 <Bjarni> still, it's not banned to think about your own actions ;) 21:26:30 *** fusee [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:31 <Bjarni> The Deltics continued in top link service until the introduction of the HST's in 1978. The class finished their days working off York depot in early 1982 <-- AFAIK there are still some in commercial use, but they work more or less as backup for other engines or something like that 21:26:38 <Bjarni> they don't drive everyday 21:27:07 <ln-> what a smart bug report: http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&id=320 21:28:29 <peter1138> heh 21:28:41 <Sacro> Bjarni: i dont think they are used now 21:28:43 * peter1138 checks out bugs.openttd.org for similar stupidities 21:29:32 <Sacro> thats a daily wtf i reckon 21:29:47 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:47 *** fusee is now known as fusey 21:30:03 <SpComb> nah 21:30:08 <SpComb> sidebar wtf 21:30:37 <Sacro> aye, thats more likely 21:30:45 <Darkvater> Bjarni: does openttd MP work for you accross endianness? 21:30:52 <Darkvater> Bjarni: 0.4.8/0.4.7 and the like? 21:31:07 <Bjarni> Darkvater: well, the last time I checked, it worked 21:31:13 <Darkvater> can you check again? 21:31:24 <Bjarni> do you think we got a problem? 21:31:33 <Bjarni> it would help to know what I should be looking for 21:31:35 <Darkvater> thingie... Thad or something... was here today saying he got disconnects even after building a single piece of road 21:31:42 <Sacro> nah, WE havent, tis only you silly mac uses :p 21:31:45 <Bjarni> ok 21:31:47 <Sacro> *users 21:32:08 <Bjarni> 0.4.8 or trunk? 21:32:29 <Sacro> 0.4.8 21:32:59 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:33:43 <glx> Darkvater: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/win32dedicated.diff <-- this fix a thread concurrency bug (input buffer could be overwritten before used) 21:35:56 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:35:56 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:21 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:36:57 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B367DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 21:37:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> "DB 101"... is that supposed to be a german engine? 21:37:59 <glx> the name make me think that 21:37:59 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, but the engines are called "BR ###" 21:38:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> (BR standing for "Baureihe") 21:39:09 <glx> I only know some french BB, CC, X and Z 21:39:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> BR 101 is an electric engine 21:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.br-101.de/ 21:40:46 *** sayno [~sayno@ppp-168-253-11-117.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:41:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> BR xx denotes steam, BR 1xx electric, and BR 2xx diesel engines 21:42:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> 4xx is electric railcars and EMUs (i don't think there is a german equivalent to the term EMU) 21:42:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> 6xx are diesel railcars and DMUs 21:42:45 <mikk36> and what is EMU ? 21:43:01 <glx> electric multiple unit 21:43:11 <mikk36> and that is ? 21:43:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> 7xx/8xx are wagons for those railcars 21:43:28 <Bjarni> Darkvater: no desyncs so far in 0.4.8 21:43:35 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: its a BR 101 21:43:46 <Sacro> but when i hear "BR" i think "British Rail" 21:43:54 <mikk36> u need to have low cpu usage and no network lag spikes to have no desyncs :) 21:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> the BR 401 is the ICE 1, for example 21:44:12 <mikk36> i had spikes when cpu usage was roughly 50-60% and torrents were running 21:44:13 <mikk36> on server 21:44:15 <mikk36> with 10Mbps net 21:44:22 <mikk36> with 2.66Ghz P4 21:44:36 <mikk36> low-latency net 21:44:42 <eper> my server seems to handle the openttd quiet well 21:44:58 <eper> duel 4200 on a 10Mbit plugged direct in to an isp's core network 21:45:08 <mikk36> basicly same here about the net 21:45:14 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: i dont think they are used now <-- well, I know people and one of them went to England and saw a lot of railroad stuff. One of the things he saw was a depot with Deltics in it and they were able to drive if needed 21:45:24 <mikk36> directly connected to the main süstem of our country 21:45:27 <mikk36> system* 21:45:35 <eper> funky 21:45:40 <Sacro> Bjarni: Brianetta is more knowledgeable than me 21:45:42 <mikk36> <1ms to every main ISP 21:45:48 <peter1138> we don't have railroad stuff 21:45:56 <eper> in your own country? 21:45:59 <peter1138> we have railway stuff 21:46:07 <mikk36> why funky ? 21:46:11 <peter1138> silly american words 21:46:14 <mikk36> it's the center where every ISSP meets :) 21:46:17 <mikk36> ISP 21:46:40 <eper> so your country has a single point of failure? 21:46:45 <eQualizer> CCCP 21:46:46 <mikk36> no, not that 21:46:48 <peter1138> on a hub, hehe 21:46:53 <mikk36> it has other routes if needed 21:47:01 <Bjarni> Darkvater: what to do now... it's like I can't make it desync at all... it just works 21:47:03 <mikk36> but that is the most powerful 21:47:06 <eper> aye its similar to the telehouse in london 21:47:41 <mikk36> :) 21:47:51 <mikk36> owned by linxtelecom here 21:47:57 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B367DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:07 <mikk36> from who i'm also renting my server hosting 21:48:09 <Sacro> mikk36: estonia isnt it? 21:48:12 <mikk36> yes 21:48:27 <Sacro> hmm, nice 21:49:05 <mikk36> got a job now.. paying the bills should be a bit easier now :) 21:49:42 <mikk36> i'm a web-programmer/system admin :P 21:49:54 <mikk36> in a small firm 21:50:23 <mikk36> with 20h/week schedule 21:50:31 <eper> i'm a nobody :/ i just play with fortigates :/ 21:50:46 <Darkvater> Bjarni: you're playing against a windows host, right? 21:50:49 <mikk36> at least i can continue to study in itcollege :P 21:51:14 <Sacro> i wonder how hard it is to drive a train... 21:51:20 <mikk36> in real life ? 21:51:23 <mikk36> try trainz 21:51:28 <Sacro> no, RL 21:51:39 <eper> microsoft train sim is as good as real life 21:51:46 <Sacro> GNER will be getting in in an hour 21:51:49 <mikk36> i prefer trainz 21:51:49 <eper> or seems to be as complex, could not get it to move for an hour or so 21:52:00 <mikk36> from auran 21:52:06 <Sacro> eper: MSTS and trainz are both crap compared to the new Kuju one 21:52:15 <mikk36> ??? 21:52:20 * Sacro sighs 21:52:29 <Sacro> www.railsimulator.com 21:52:41 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: you're playing against a windows host, right? <-- actually it's a PPC OSX client connecting to an i386 OSX host 21:52:54 <Bjarni> but it should produce the same result if it's an endian issue 21:53:08 <Darkvater> then I guess it's a false alarm 21:53:09 <Sacro> Bjarni: his problem was windows <-> PPC OSX 21:53:57 <mikk36> Sacro, looks nice :) 21:54:07 <mikk36> but right now i still prefer trainz 21:54:11 <Bjarni> Sacro: so? The endianess is the same 21:54:48 <Sacro> Bjarni: true, but other things arent 21:54:58 <mikk36> ok, off to bed.. to laptop :) 21:56:01 <Bjarni> also if 0.4.8 had a serious issue, I think we would know it by now 21:56:15 <mikk36> still gotta think what time i want to wake up tomorrow 21:56:15 * Sacro can crash 0.4.8 21:56:23 <mikk36> schoolweek is already over :) 21:56:36 <Sacro> mikk36: if your on linux, give us shell access and leave your speakers on :p 21:56:47 <mikk36> not on linux 21:57:02 <mikk36> winXP on main, WinVista on lap 21:57:23 <mikk36> sry guys, no gentoo any more for nw 21:57:24 <mikk36> now* 21:58:08 <eper> hmm this xen box has gentoo/debian/ubuntu/netbsd/win2k3 21:58:33 <Sacro> i was just thinking about my new pc 21:58:56 <Sacro> thinking Arch/XP32/Vista64/10.4.7 21:59:04 <Sacro> and wondernig about what else id want 22:00:36 <mikk36> lol 22:00:52 <mikk36> hmm... 10.4.7 ? some further-developed tiger ? 22:01:17 <Sacro> mikk36: ? 22:01:25 <Sacro> isnt 10.4.7 tiger? 22:01:40 <mikk36> that's what i'm asking :D 22:01:56 <mikk36> cause tiger was released as 10.4 22:02:07 <mikk36> even tried it out with pearpc 22:02:14 * Prof_Frink wants OSX 10.7:fluffykitten 22:02:30 <mikk36> slow.... very slow... but hell, it still booted up :D 22:02:42 <Sacro> ahh, i got the x86 version 22:02:54 *** xptek_ [xptek@xptek.eu] has joined #openttd 22:04:15 <mikk36> original 10.4 was way before intel-based mac's came 22:04:47 *** xptek [xptek@xptek.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:58 <Sacro> yeah 22:06:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:06:58 <Sacro> ooh, tis Mr Brianetta 22:07:11 <Brianetta> briefly 22:07:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.hfkern.de/Vorbild/E426_032-9.JPG <- does anyone see the catenary on this picture? 22:07:14 <Brianetta> I'm knackered 22:07:16 <mikk36> could someone please make me a good realtek 8180L and synaptics touchpad driver for WinVista ? 22:07:17 <mikk36> :D 22:07:29 <Sacro> Brianetta: Kuju Rail Sim will have Class 55s :D 22:07:42 <Brianetta> but no Linux support 22:08:06 <Brianetta> Honestly, it's like telling me that the price of coffee just fell... in Poland 22:08:21 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: no, and I can't see pantograph either 22:08:47 <Sacro> Brianetta: it might be worse... might be Vista only 22:08:49 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:37 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC595D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:16 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: I'm so great!] 22:10:23 * Brianetta shrugs 22:10:27 <mikk36> ? 22:10:28 <Brianetta> That's no worse 22:11:11 <mikk36> ? @ Sacro 22:11:22 <Sacro> hmm, my new pc is going to cost 1400 :( 22:11:30 <Sacro> mikk36: ? 22:11:34 <Brianetta> Ouch. How much for the OS? 22:11:46 <Sacro> Brianetta: i aint paying for an OS 22:11:59 <Brianetta> You have a non-OEM license for one? 22:12:01 <Sacro> though ill probably need windows for uni 22:12:21 <Brianetta> Windows is a rip-off. There's better for less. 22:12:27 <Sacro> like what? 22:12:46 <Brianetta> FreeBSD 22:12:52 <eper> ah good old bsd 22:12:53 <Brianetta> All the Linux based distros 22:12:54 <Sacro> yes, but i cant run visual C# in that 22:13:02 <Brianetta> Why would you want to run that? 22:13:16 <mikk36> u mean C#.NET ? 22:13:21 <Sacro> mikk36: yes 22:13:27 <mikk36> u can in linux :) 22:13:28 <Sacro> Brianetta: because thats what ill get taught 22:13:32 <mikk36> mono project 22:13:37 <Brianetta> You're going to university to read C#? 22:13:52 <Sacro> hmm, apparently, the hull uni computer society is on quakenet 22:14:03 <Sacro> Brianetta: im pretty sure thats what they teach 22:14:09 <eper> aye hull is 22:14:17 <Brianetta> Sacro: If it's a decent uni, they teach you the underlying principles. 22:14:21 <Brianetta> The tool shouldn't matter. 22:14:26 <Brianetta> What's the course? 22:14:41 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Hah, lufbra compsoc has its own IRC 22:14:57 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: are you at loughborough? 22:15:04 <Brianetta> Prof_Frink: www.netgoth.org.uk has its own IRC - it's nothing to brag about (: 22:15:13 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: was. 22:15:14 <Sacro> Brianetta: computer science, maybe with game programming 22:15:24 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: it was more the fact it was on quakenet 22:15:49 <Brianetta> Sacro: Computing Science is applicable to all platforms. If you're obliged to use one proprietary tool, seriously consider better establishments. 22:16:20 <Sacro> Brianetta: true, but i cant afford to go elsewhere, i have no a-levels 22:16:48 <Brianetta> In my software engineering course, the university made us use Apple Macintosh, Unix, RISC-OS and Windows platforms, by turns 22:16:54 <Brianetta> I had no A-Levels 22:17:02 <Brianetta> In fact, I *still* have no A-Levels 22:17:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... can i somehow make a bash-script single-step? 22:17:10 <Brianetta> and I managed to drop out of the degree, too... 22:17:12 <Sacro> Brianetta: well, i think hull uni have windows, linux, macs, as well as X-Box and GameCube devkits 22:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> so i get to know what it is doing? 22:17:26 <Brianetta> So, it shouldn't matter what platform your own machine is. 22:17:28 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: meaning? 22:17:31 <Sacro> Brianetta: thats true 22:17:39 <Sacro> ill probably run linux mainly, as i do now 22:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> meaning it shows each command going to be executed 22:17:52 <Brianetta> Eddi|zuHause2: bash -x script 22:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> and waiting for my input to do so 22:18:01 <Brianetta> doesn't step, but it *is* very versbose 22:18:58 *** eper [eperdeme@eper.net] has quit [] 22:19:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... let's see 22:21:54 <Bjarni> goodnight 22:22:05 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:24:46 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CD3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't understand this... i let the ATI installer generate this package: fglrx_7_1_0_SUSE102-8.28.8-1.i386.rpm, then i install it with rpm, it runs all kinds of stuff compiling a kernel module, and says it is successfull, but when i restart, the x server says the module "fglrx" does not exist... 22:26:47 <Sacro> ATI + linux = fsckage 22:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> it worked with X.Org 6.9 and SuSE 10.1 22:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> it also worked after i updated the kernel (but not X.Org) 22:28:08 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 22:28:27 <Sacro> 6.9 didnt have AIGLX 22:29:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> what do you mean? 22:34:26 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B367DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 22:34:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 22:35:56 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: what distro are you using? 22:36:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, originally suse 10.1, but i updated some things from the SL-OSS-factory 22:36:44 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CD3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> (so basically SuSE 10.2) 22:38:17 <Sacro> hmm 22:38:24 <Sacro> i dont like SuSE personally :( 22:39:29 *** Rutjes [~m_gmrutje@kabel223136.mobiel.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 22:39:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> that does not help me install the module ;) 22:40:17 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: true, tried their forums 22:40:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> i tried googling 22:41:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> it gives all kinds of results, but none seem to match my problem 22:42:09 <Sacro> hmm 22:46:38 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:47:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually my problem is not so much that the script doesn't work, but that i have no real knowledge about modules, so i cannot manually put it where it belongs 22:49:09 <Sacro> should go in /usr/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ 22:49:43 <Sacro> no, /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ 22:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... there is a /lib/modules/2.6.18-rc6-2-default/extra/fglrx.ko 22:58:33 <Sacro> try "modprobe fglrx" 22:59:45 *** Rutjes [~m_gmrutje@kabel223136.mobiel.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:13 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: C-x C-c] 23:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> that says nothing 23:00:29 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 23:00:43 <Sacro> thats good :p 23:00:47 <Sacro> its linux 23:00:51 <Sacro> try and start X 23:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> can i start an X next to the one i am currently running? 23:02:25 <Sacro> ooh, err... yes, but i cant remember the flag 23:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> that would be helpful ;) 23:03:39 <Sacro> or maybe not it seems :( 23:08:31 *** Mistified [laptop@84.234.138.106] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:12:31 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:12:49 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:30 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77E37.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:22:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that did not seem to help... 23:22:43 <Sacro> wb 23:22:48 <Sacro> hmm :( 23:25:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the X server exits with the message (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) 23:25:20 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:25:20 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-145-18.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 23:25:25 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause> might that be a X module, and not a kernel module? 23:26:31 <ln-> sell the ATI and buy an NVidia... 23:27:19 <Sacro> ln-: its the best way 23:27:27 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: hmm, maybe 23:27:34 <Sacro> have you checked your xorg.conf 23:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well... i have just run "aticonfig --initial" 23:30:24 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 23:35:17 <grimrc> Eddi|zuHause: what card do you have? do you have to use the proprietary driver? 23:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the standard driver causes graphic glitches 23:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and they make me crazy 23:35:52 <Sacro> im guessing i dont want an ATI card in my new pc 23:35:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so yes, i need the proprietary driver ;) 23:36:02 <grimrc> oh - that's bad; have you messed with AGP stuff etc.? 23:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i don't think so 23:36:31 *** coronel [andreabl@login1.powertech.no] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:36:41 <grimrc> Sacro: a new one, probably not; an old one, probably yes (open source driver that stays current) 23:36:46 *** coronel [andreabl@login1.powertech.no] has joined #openttd 23:37:06 <Sacro> x1900GTO ? 23:37:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i just updated X.Org (plus a hundred other programs), and installed the new ATI driver rpm 23:37:33 <grimrc> Eddi|zuHause: I meant debugging the open source one, when you used it 23:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no 23:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not done anything to it 23:38:51 <grimrc> my 9000 mostly works; changing modes can sometimes lockup the display - it might be RadeonFB though 23:40:05 <Sacro> they "updated" the spec from a 7900GT to an x1900GTO (which is an unheard of "apparent" replacement for the 7600) and i wasnt happy 23:40:14 <Sacro> so i asked if they could do me one under hte old spec 23:40:58 <grimrc> Sacro: what PC you buying? 23:41:06 <Sacro> http://www.cube247.co.uk/acatalog/ProximaST4.html 23:41:22 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:49 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-142-2.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43:02 <grimrc> says ?1'200 inc. VAT 23:43:48 <Sacro> hmm, does it? 23:44:02 <Sacro> iso-8859-1 23:44:03 <grimrc> computers just get cheaper and cheaper; still, that's faster than what I need 23:44:31 <grimrc> I dunno about the character set heh 23:44:57 <grimrc> did the pound sign (?) show up badly or something? 23:45:18 <Sacro> Price: £1,198.99 (Including: VAT at 17.5%) 23:45:32 <Sacro> pound sign is £ 23:45:37 <grimrc> same? 23:45:41 <Sacro> not ? AND DEFINATLY NOT # DAMN AMERICANS 23:45:59 <grimrc> here is yours: ? and here is mine: ? 23:46:08 <Sacro> grimrc: are you not in a UTF-8 irc client? 23:46:15 <ln-> "definatly"? 23:46:22 <Sacro> ln-: yes 23:46:34 <Sacro> definatly 23:46:38 <Sacro> thats right isnt it? 23:46:42 <ln-> does it have something to do with "definitely"? 23:46:46 <grimrc> I'm seeing pound signs all round; I'm using xchat 2.6.6, but it does say my character set is 'ANSI_X3.4-1968' 23:46:56 <Sacro> ln-: yes, its more efficient 23:47:07 <Sacro> it should be UTF-8 23:47:07 <ln-> Sacro: ok, how much memory? 23:47:18 <Sacro> ln-: errm... 8 bit * 2 23:47:22 <ln-> k 23:47:26 <Sacro> 16 bits, plus overheads for tcp/ip 23:47:51 <Sacro> 65 people in the channel, thats .. 23:48:01 *** sayno [~sayno@ppp-168-253-11-117.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 23:48:04 <Sacro> !calc 16*65 23:48:06 <_42_> Sacro: 1040; 23:48:15 <Sacro> ln-: ive saved 1k :p 23:48:45 <grimrc> I don't see a charset option; I must have compiled xchat wrongly (Gentoo) 23:49:09 <grimrc> what about # (hash) and ? (pound sign)? 23:49:40 <Sacro> CTRL+S (server list), OFTC, Edit, Charset 23:50:08 <Sacro> but i have UTF-8 throught linux 23:50:19 <Sacro> grimrc: # is fine 23:50:30 <ln-> pound sign is question mark 23:51:03 <grimrc> oh cheers Sacro; mine's on 'System default', so something else is broken 23:51:19 <Sacro> grimrc: just change it to UTF-8 23:51:26 <Eddi|zuHause> all your pound signs are showing as question marks here 23:52:12 <ln-> rEURa££¥? 23:52:31 <Sacro> ? is futile 23:53:15 <Sacro> hmm, i seem to have lost firefox 23:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.studentshirts.de/index/0xab 23:53:44 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: when i find me a browser. 23:53:46 <Sacro> Ah there it is 23:53:48 <ln-> nah, i'll go sleep now... everybody stop talking until further notice! 23:53:57 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-141-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:54:08 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: :o, they do UK delivery? 23:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> firefox sucks, use IE ;) 23:54:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea 23:54:45 <ln-> i once attempted to run IE on Solaris, but it wasn't compatible with the Solaris version or something... 23:54:47 <Sacro> its geeky. and its IN GERMAN :D 23:55:31 <Sacro> hmm, whats "dabie" mena 23:55:33 <Sacro> *mean 23:56:01 <Gonozal_VIII> dabie? nothing 23:56:02 <Sacro> i have ie5, 5.5 and 6 under linux 23:56:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "dabei" means "with" or "included" 23:56:37 <Gonozal_VIII> ah^^ 23:56:49 <Sacro> hmm 23:58:43 <grimrc> haha "Widerstand ist zwecklos" = "resistance is futile"? 23:59:32 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-134-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:38 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but "Widerstand" also means "resitor", hence the picture ;)