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00:06:10 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:06:25 *** ZeromusMougl [~ZeromusMo@ppp-71-129-180-65.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #openttd 00:06:35 <ZeromusMougl> hey all :D 00:06:40 <ZeromusMougl> I am trying to figure this game out D: 00:06:49 <ZeromusMougl> is there ANYTHING that is like a start-from-beginning newbie guide? 00:07:16 <ZeromusMougl> I am having problems like "how the hell do I get the trains to pick up maize" and things like that but there seems to be no basic beginner's info :( 00:07:26 <Brianetta> ZeromusMougl: There's us, and there's the Wiki 00:07:35 <ZeromusMougl> The wiki is too advanced D: 00:07:44 <ZeromusMougl> I've been reading a ton of it 00:07:54 <Brianetta> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Newbies 00:08:12 <Brianetta> If there's something specific, ask us 00:08:14 <Born_Acorn> Most of the Wiki assumes the player as played TTD already. 00:08:35 <ZeromusMougl> yeah, the "newbies" stuff just tells me how to install that. I got that part down ^^; 00:09:21 <Brianetta> For example, to pick up maize, the station has to be near the maize producing industry. 00:09:31 <Born_Acorn> (The Farm!) 00:09:37 <Brianetta> Once built, a train must have wagons which can hold maize, and then must stop there. 00:09:58 <Brianetta> Depending on game settings, the first stop might yield nothing. 00:10:02 <Brianetta> The second, should. 00:10:22 <ZeromusMougl> yeah see i have that set up but no maize is appearing at the station. The station is RIGHT next to the farmhouse 00:10:36 <Brianetta> Has a train been there? 00:10:46 <Brianetta> And if one has, did it have maize wagons? 00:10:54 <ZeromusMougl> Yes. It's sitting there "Loading/Unloading" now :( 00:11:08 <Born_Acorn> Have you tried Full Load? 00:11:25 <Born_Acorn> Maize wagons behind the train? 00:11:36 <ZeromusMougl> Let me triple check that they're Maize wagons 00:11:44 <Brianetta> Click the station. Check its ratings. If it doesn't have a rating listed fo rmaize, it's not going to get any. 00:11:54 <Born_Acorn> Click the train info, then capacities to make sue 00:12:19 <Brianetta> It does seem rather complex once one comes to explain it 00:12:27 <Born_Acorn> (Train info being the piece of paper in the bottom right of the Train window. 00:12:28 <Born_Acorn> ) 00:12:51 <Born_Acorn> Brianetta, a lot of newbies people don't realise trains are built in 00:12:55 <Born_Acorn> depots 00:12:57 <Born_Acorn> even. 00:12:58 <ZeromusMougl> hmm, I guess "Food Wagon" doesn't pick up Maize? 00:13:05 <ZeromusMougl> yeah it took me a while to figure out the depot thing, heh 00:13:06 <Brianetta> No 00:13:08 <Born_Acorn> No, that's for food. :p 00:13:11 <Brianetta> Food wagons take processed food 00:13:14 <ZeromusMougl> but maize IS food haha 00:13:16 <ZeromusMougl> alright 00:13:19 <ZeromusMougl> that makes sense then! 00:13:31 <Born_Acorn> Maize goes to the Food Processing Plant where it becomes food. :p 00:13:52 <Brianetta> There's no guess-work with cargos. They each have names, rather than classes. 00:14:01 <Serriaromeo> for a total noob, temperate is probbaly easier, the cargos are simpler 00:14:02 <ZeromusMougl> Now, I don't see "Maize Wagon" on the list D: 00:14:05 <Brianetta> Thus, maize != food, and rubber != goods 00:14:15 <Brianetta> Hopper? 00:14:41 <Brianetta> First off, are you using any custom add-ins? 00:15:06 <ZeromusMougl> naw just the vanilla, non-nightly openttd 00:15:11 <ZeromusMougl> I tried making it a grain hopper 00:15:17 <Born_Acorn> They call it a Grain Hopper 00:15:21 <Serriaromeo> boxcar, hit the 2 boxes in teh train window while it's in the depot and select maize 00:15:22 <Born_Acorn> Even though it's for Maize. 00:15:27 <ZeromusMougl> I might have to BRB though thanks for the help :D 00:16:01 <ZeromusMougl> Yay it's transporting! OK so I'm FINALLY starting to get the hang of this, heh 00:16:09 <ZeromusMougl> thanks for your help i'll come chill a bit later :) 00:24:12 *** ZeromusMougl [~ZeromusMo@ppp-71-129-180-65.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:00 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:30:27 <Serriaromeo> what would be the best way to check to see if a player has any signs in a game? for_all_signs(start); if owner ==playerid ....? 00:31:00 <jez> Brianetta: I'm interested that you said you took those MIDI samples you sent me from the DOS version of the game 00:31:11 <Serriaromeo> nvm, for_all_signs wouldnt work like that 00:31:24 <jez> Brianetta: if so, your MIDI extraction software apparently made the same mistakes as that used to extract it for the Windows TTD version 00:31:31 <Brianetta> jez: That was the first version I had 00:31:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-200-112.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:31:56 <Brianetta> Didn't get the Windows one until a couple of years ago 00:32:00 <jez> yeah 00:32:06 <jez> but the melody in easy driver is incorrect 00:32:16 <jez> the 3 minute silence in that other one is still there 00:32:24 <jez> so independently, your conversion software has made the same mistakes 00:32:26 <jez> curious 00:32:42 <jez> obviously the TTD DOS binary does something to clean up its compressed MIDIs 00:32:52 <jez> so ripping the output via dosbox results in a correct MIDI 00:33:55 <glx> if only I know what compression algorithm it used 00:33:57 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:58 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 00:34:07 <jez> by tomorrow evening I'll have all the GMs ripped correctly 00:34:15 <jez> i can replace the horrible Windows TTD ones 00:35:05 <jez> going to bed for now though :-) 00:35:17 <MeusH> goodnight 00:35:38 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 00:36:28 *** jez [shield@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 00:37:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 00:37:48 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 00:45:23 *** ZeromusMougl [~ZeromusMo@ip68-5-67-122.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:35 *** ZeromusMougl is now known as ZeromusFood 00:48:17 *** ZeromusMougl [~ZeromusMo@ip68-5-67-122.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:48:17 *** ZeromusFood [~ZeromusMo@ip68-5-67-122.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:43 *** fusee [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:58 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:58 *** fusee is now known as fusey 01:04:42 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Switching Computers.] 01:23:21 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:23 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:04:49 <ZeromusMougl> Is this still working? 02:04:52 <ZeromusMougl> oh yay 02:05:19 <ZeromusMougl> ok question, the wiki wasn't clear on this: Chris Sawyer released the source code to the game? Because of the enthusiasts...? 02:05:40 <ln-> Chris Sawyer never released any source. 02:06:30 <ZeromusMougl> So it was all reverse engineered? 02:07:01 <ln-> Yes and no. 02:07:27 <ZeromusMougl> Explain? :) 02:07:53 <ln-> Significant parts were reverse-engineered, but probably not *all*. 02:12:18 <ZeromusMougl> Ah well by "all" I meant "what was changed". Interesting. Pretty impressive, then! 02:14:08 <ZeromusMougl> ok gameplay question: as a general rule should I be building maximum length trains or should I be worrying about things like what the output of the place is, length of route, etc? 02:15:16 <ZeromusMougl> the place = whatever I'm hauling from 02:15:36 <ln-> i'm not an expert, but i'd say pay more attention to the rating of the source station, i.e. try to make sure there is always at least one train being loaded. 02:16:13 <ZeromusMougl> I like JUST started. So far I have built two trains with two routs which have two stations each to pull cargo from one to the other ^^; 02:16:21 <ZeromusMougl> I'm pretty noob at this :0 02:16:22 <ZeromusMougl> :) 02:16:47 <ZeromusMougl> Dizamn, tho. This Maize stuff makes some pretty intense cash :o 02:16:55 <ln-> having two trains per route should help you achieve what i described above. 02:17:14 <ZeromusMougl> should the routes be a loop, or should I have like a switching area halfway, or...? 02:19:51 <ln-> build one or two sections with two rails in parallel somewhere along the route. (and appropriate signals) 02:20:48 <ln-> loops... hmm, well that could work with cities and passenger routes. 02:23:13 <ZeromusMougl> yay I'm turning a profit! Made 19k last year 8) 02:31:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B765DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:33:11 <ZeromusMougl> ok this is strange 02:33:29 <ZeromusMougl> I made a new route, new train, and gave it orders and now it's just sitting in the station when I tell it to go 02:34:11 <ZeromusMougl> would there be a problem using the same station for dropoff for two routes/ 02:34:12 <ZeromusMougl> ? 02:36:36 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 02:37:00 <ZeromusMougl> RAGE 02:37:12 <ZeromusMougl> I still don't get this game :cry: 02:37:26 <ZeromusMougl> apparently building a new station fixed that last problem 02:37:42 <ZeromusMougl> but now the train is doing that stupid thing where it sits at the destination indefinately "loading/unloading" 02:37:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75EB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:59 <ZeromusMougl> and the subsidy I was trying to get JUST wore off :cry: 02:38:31 <ln-> it's all very logical. 02:38:43 <ZeromusMougl> ok I think I got load/unload mixed up again, grr 02:38:50 <ZeromusMougl> I don't like how it does the orders backwards :( 02:39:44 <ln-> just wait until you go for a walk outside and notice yourself thinking about red and green numbers rising from the ground. 02:40:01 <ZeromusMougl> haha 02:40:04 <ln-> normally you don't need to set neither load or unload. 02:40:09 <ZeromusMougl> I've played a lot of Roller Coaster Tycoon 02:40:33 <ZeromusMougl> and mostly I enjoyed making my parks giant cash rakes 02:40:43 <ZeromusMougl> so naturally, once I found out about this, it had high appeal :) 02:47:22 <ZeromusMougl> ok this one is hopefully easy: I want to go from a fruit plantation to a food factory, do I need to build near the plantation, or the farmhouse? 02:57:08 *** Bob_Slob [~none@71-214-22-95.omah.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 02:57:28 <Bob_Slob> can anyone help me out w/ a dedicated server? 02:59:10 <ZeromusMougl> what kind? 03:00:08 <Bob_Slob> just an issue with my server.. 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(been keeping track of it for a year or so now) 08:33:59 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F646.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:55 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:35:57 <MeusH> goodnbye 08:36:00 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 08:38:40 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 08:39:36 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0D399.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:42:13 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 08:46:21 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DC07.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:53:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D6EF.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:21 *** Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:57:09 *** Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:25 <kevsthabest> not a very lively bunch up at this time.. 09:05:42 *** kevsthabest [kevsthabes@CPE0010a4aa4b92-CM0011ae924ae4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 09:09:48 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 09:09:48 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:10:09 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D1AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:11:18 <Darkvater> phew he is gone, we can chat now ;p 09:17:07 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2DFF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:19 <peter1138> our town growth needs adjusting 09:21:23 <peter1138> it's too explosive currently 09:24:46 <Darkvater> he lots of things needs adjustment(s) 09:26:04 <peter1138> well yes 09:26:11 <peter1138> like bjarni's guis ;p 09:26:29 <peter1138> (well, the code behind them) 09:29:49 <Darkvater> !seen bjarni 09:29:51 <_42_> Darkvater, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 21 hours 35 minutes ago (15.10. 11:53) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 1 hour 48 minutes there. 09:33:41 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:33:52 <peter1138> hmm 09:34:11 <peter1138> DrawStringMultiLine would be more useful if it returned the number of lines (or pixel rows) that were drawn 09:35:31 <Darkvater> what does it return now? 09:36:29 <peter1138> void 09:36:42 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0D399.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:43:12 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:48:20 <Darkvater> you would need to refactor that function pretty heavily 09:48:37 <Darkvater> frmatlinebrakes or whatever it is is at fault :) 09:53:58 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 09:54:12 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:27 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-213.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 10:05:36 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:09 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:06:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:09:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:11:05 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 10:15:06 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:35 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6788 /trunk/ (functions.h misc.c order_cmd.c vehicle.c): - Codechange: Add and use a function to test if a string ID is a custom name. 11:02:40 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 11:02:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:25:58 *** dariius_ [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 11:25:58 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:15 *** jez [virtua@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:26 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-148-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:34 <jez> Is it possible to get desert or arctic towns to grow at all? If so, how? 11:32:11 <peter1138> supply with food 11:32:15 <peter1138> and water for desert 11:32:39 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-141-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:03 <jez> tried that 11:33:10 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:14 <jez> supplying with water makes no difference, and not all desert towns have water towers anyway 11:34:07 <Tron_> you need water _and_ food for towns in the desert 11:34:16 <jez> mmm, i think i've tried that too 11:34:23 <jez> i had water, food and a passenger service to one town 11:34:26 <jez> it stayed the same size 11:35:05 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:08 <Brianetta> You still need more stations, like any town 11:36:20 <Brianetta> The population don't get horny unless there's a transport infrastructure 11:37:06 <jez> it didnt move at all 11:37:11 <jez> there was absolutely no population change 11:37:17 <jez> there should've been some 11:37:36 <peter1138> well, it's possible it's broken... 11:37:56 <Brianetta> Do you need water and food every month, or just every year~? 11:38:10 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:17 <jez> can you fund a water tower as a new industry? 11:38:26 <jez> otherwise there'll be some desert towns you can never grow 11:38:27 <Brianetta> I've had trouble growing desert towns, to be honest 11:38:35 <Brianetta> You can fund a water tower, yes 11:38:44 <Brianetta> although it's *really* picky about where you can place one 11:39:00 <Brianetta> I still haven't figured out why you can put them in some places but not others. 11:39:51 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:05 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 11:40:27 *** Rens2Doom is now known as Rens2Sea 11:41:08 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-158-15.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 11:42:34 <Darkvater> blathijs: mempools, time soon I hope..current half-job is not really acceptable 11:42:52 <peter1138> what's up with mempools? 11:42:59 <peter1138> (do they not work? heh) 11:43:05 <Darkvater> peter1138: you are much too kind :) What happened to the other sorters? :P 11:43:18 <peter1138> hmm? 11:43:29 <peter1138> name sorters? 11:43:40 <Darkvater> Brianetta: you can only place watertowers on top of houses 11:44:04 <peter1138> which is silly 11:44:09 <Darkvater> peter1138: town-sorter, station-sorter, they all use the global var :) 11:44:19 <peter1138> oh, yes 11:44:20 <peter1138> , ok 11:44:23 <peter1138> i'll sort them out too 11:44:23 <Brianetta> on top of houses? 11:44:27 <Darkvater> peter1138: truelight started reworking them, but quit halfway through and it's pretty messy now 11:44:30 <Darkvater> Brianetta: yes 11:44:36 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:38 <peter1138> truelight's always quitting ;) 11:44:38 <Brianetta> Darkvater: That's so daft I'd never have found it. Thanks! 11:44:56 <Darkvater> yeah I couldn't figureit out either so I had to look at the code :) 11:45:30 <jez> Brianetta: on top of houses was the first thing i thought of... 11:45:38 <jez> :-) 11:45:43 <peter1138> hmm, signnamesorter 11:45:47 <peter1138> that doesn't cache 11:45:56 <Brianetta> jez: That's mental. Nothing else can be built on houses... or so I believed... 11:45:56 <peter1138> oh, yes it does 11:45:58 <peter1138> sorry 11:46:20 <Darkvater> afaik all sorters were copied from the town-name sorter 11:46:36 <Brianetta> Sounds like an if statement has its logic backwards. 11:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> that kinda screams for abstraction and templating, doesn't it? 11:46:51 <CIA-1> miham * r6790 /trunk/lang/ (catalan.txt danish.txt italian.txt): 11:46:51 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-16 13:46:16 11:46:51 <CIA-1> catalan - 3 changed by arnaullv (3) 11:46:51 <CIA-1> danish - 6 fixed, 61 changed by ThomasA (67) 11:46:51 <CIA-1> italian - 5 fixed by sidew (5) 11:47:02 <Brianetta> One that was meant to stop you building on houses instead enforces it.... 11:48:22 <Darkvater> Brianetta: even TTD had that, so we're only following suite 11:48:25 <Darkvater> suite? 11:48:30 <Brianetta> suit 11:48:54 <Brianetta> Darkvater: I accuse it of bugdom. 11:49:07 <peter1138> me too 11:50:18 <jez> Brianetta: also i just managed to build one on top of an office block in TTD DOS 11:50:57 <jez> Also, if anyone hasn't tested my patch v3, please do so 11:50:58 <jez> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=498075 11:51:17 <Darkvater> face? 11:51:20 <jez> yup 11:51:33 <Darkvater> I'll pass, sorry jez 11:53:31 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Perhaps you should post a poll to the OpenTTD forum 11:53:45 <Brianetta> Get the opinion of the unwashed masses 11:53:51 <Darkvater> no I was just curious what die-hard TTD(P)-ers thought 11:54:00 <Brianetta> Oh 11:54:06 <Brianetta> Ask them on their forum (: 11:56:21 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:37 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 11:56:38 <peter1138> clearly they don't care 11:56:57 <jez> does anyone else think the new depot icons are unintuative and look rather ugly/out of place? 11:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez: you got an alternative? 11:57:36 <jez> yeah, remove them :-P 11:57:42 <peter1138> blank buttons? 11:57:53 <jez> no buttons 11:58:00 <peter1138> hm 11:58:02 <Darkvater> which icons are those? 11:58:11 <peter1138> so how do you remove things? 11:58:27 <jez> the ones that were added for selling a carriage, train, and replacing or selling all trains in a depot 11:58:40 <jez> you also have 2 push buttons and two drag targets, but all 4 look the same 11:59:12 <Darkvater> only autoreplace is ugly imho 11:59:49 <peter1138> and we've got more images to choose from there 12:00:37 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:56 <Darkvater> if only bjarni wuld show up his danish-ass 12:01:48 <jez> why do you need bjarni? 12:02:33 <Darkvater> to sync 12:02:38 <jez> eh? 12:04:43 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-130-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:04:50 <jez> Vista will be worth paying money for 12:04:55 <jez> look at the feature list: 12:04:58 <jez> - no Monad 12:05:01 <jez> - no WinFS 12:05:03 <jez> - more DRM 12:05:11 <jez> - more extensive artificial restrictions! 12:05:51 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:05 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 12:06:32 *** Frostregen40 [~sucks@dslb-084-058-121-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:54 <Brianetta> I saw Vista for the first time on Saturday, at our Linux Install Day. The irony. 12:07:01 *** Frostregen40 is now known as Frostregen__ 12:07:02 <Brianetta> Now we have a copy of RC1 at work. 12:07:20 <Brianetta> It looks pretty, but it acts like XP, only slower. 12:07:45 <jez> I just hope the small-penised can manage to resist getting Vista to prove how manly and good at leadership they are 12:10:41 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-141-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:55 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 12:14:06 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-130-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:10 <Darkvater> Brianetta: it's VISTA !!! 12:19:22 <Darkvater> dammit I needa buy it even if it were just the name 12:19:59 <peter1138> the problem with using vs2005 as a code editor 12:20:08 <peter1138> is you can't press ESC and then use / to search 12:20:13 <jez> i preferred longhorn 12:20:21 <jez> if you have a shorthorn, you can buy a longhorn 12:20:43 <Darkvater> peter1138: hehe 12:20:55 <Brianetta> It's Vista 12:20:57 <Brianetta> It's a pile 12:24:25 <jez> of? 12:24:28 <jez> gold? 12:34:26 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-158-15.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:16 <Naksu> jez: no 12:40:24 <Naksu> of pure awesomeness 12:42:35 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:43:32 <jez> Gawd 12:43:38 <jez> the interface sure is getting cluttered 12:43:41 <peter1138> hmm? 12:43:58 <peter1138> of vista? 12:44:01 <jez> the depots and new vehicles interface is incredibly cluttered 12:44:07 <jez> buttons and crap all over the place 12:44:10 <jez> most unnecessary 12:44:20 <jez> i mean do you REALLY need a 'vehicles', 'wagons', 'both' selector? 12:44:50 <peter1138> you don't have to update from 0.4.8 12:45:02 <jez> that's a non-answer 12:46:16 <Darkvater> I already mentioned this to bjarni and he is thinking about a new design 12:46:24 <jez> what kind of new design 12:46:27 <Darkvater> because indeed it looks really bad 12:46:40 <Darkvater> for the window and selectors if needed 12:47:29 <jez> and perhaps for the drag target widgets 12:47:34 <jez> because at the moment they look like push buttons 12:48:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 12:50:58 <Darkvater> what is the suggestion? 12:51:38 <jez> A flat button with a dotted red border? i dunno 12:52:07 <peter1138> *sigh* 12:54:20 <peter1138> attempting to get vs2003 to open a web project that was copied across from somewhere else 12:54:23 <peter1138> PITA 12:54:49 <peter1138> ah, 5th time lucky 12:55:10 <Darkvater> jez: cause you know, bitching is always very easy :) 12:55:35 <jez> yes, and persuading someone to commit something to trunk is very difficult :-) 12:56:18 <Darkvater> :) 12:57:31 <jez> !seen truelight 12:57:31 <_42_> jez, truelight is on #openttd.tgp right now. 13:01:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:08:42 <jez> i have a question 13:08:53 <jez> when a train's in a depot, its 'go to depot' button becomes a 'clone train' button 13:09:04 <jez> the tooltip says something like 'ctrl-click to share orders' 13:09:22 <jez> what does that mean? even when i don't ctrl-click, the cloned train has the same orders 13:09:39 <hylje> yes 13:09:50 <glx> without ctrl the order are copied 13:09:57 <hylje> shared orders mean that several trains use the same orders 13:10:03 <hylje> even if you modify it 13:10:22 <jez> hmm 13:10:29 <jez> is there a way to use 'shared orders' after cloning the train? 13:10:34 <jez> to assign shared orders to a train? 13:10:37 <hylje> yes 13:10:44 <hylje> empty the order list 13:10:52 <glx> goto then ctrl click on a train 13:10:54 <hylje> control-click on another vehicle 13:10:56 <jez> ah 13:11:03 <hylje> yes 13:11:11 <jez> but there's no obvious indicator that the orders are shared when looking at the orders 13:11:15 <jez> maybe they could be coloured 13:11:26 <glx> the last line says it 13:11:54 <jez> i see 13:11:57 <jez> still a bit too easy to miss 13:14:29 <Brianetta> The last line says it, and the train button at the bottom shows you with which other trains the order is shared 13:14:40 <Brianetta> at least, if you use the nightlies 13:15:02 <jez> yes 13:15:03 <jez> i see that 13:15:12 <jez> well 13:15:16 <jez> 'the same schedule' 13:15:21 <jez> might be unshared, identical orders 13:15:25 <Brianetta> No 13:15:34 <Brianetta> Shared only 13:15:47 <Brianetta> unsahred, identical orders are separate lists 13:16:47 <jez> hmm 13:16:53 <jez> i vote for a change of that tooltip then 13:17:09 <jez> Show all vehicles that have a shared schedule 13:19:25 <peter1138> hmm 13:19:32 <peter1138> running this game with the files over SMB sucks 13:19:45 <peter1138> at least, i assume that's the reason 13:19:56 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:06 <jez> peter1138: could you check in that language change? 13:21:04 <jez> STR_VEH_WITH_SHARED_ORDERS_LIST_TIP :{BLACK}Show all vehicles that have a shared schedule 13:22:39 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:25:21 <jez> Belugas: could you check in that language change? :-) 13:30:14 <Brianetta> jez: That's still misleading 13:30:36 <jez> not really 13:30:37 <Brianetta> It doesn't show all vehicles that have a shared schedule, only those vehicles which share this specific schedule. 13:30:45 <jez> ok then 13:30:52 <jez> STR_VEH_WITH_SHARED_ORDERS_LIST_TIP :{BLACK}Show all vehicles that share this schedule 13:31:04 <Brianetta> That's much better 13:38:20 <MiHaMiX> jez: what are you translating? 13:38:47 <peter1138> bjarni to english, i think 13:38:54 <MiHaMiX> :DD 13:39:10 <peter1138> dunno how long that string's been there 13:41:36 <jez> peter1138: yeah, it could do with the update 13:41:37 <jez> check it in? 13:42:57 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2DoomBuilder 13:45:19 <jez> what in the name of god 13:45:23 <jez> there's a blimp flying over the map 13:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> where do you get a blimp from? 13:47:57 <jez> i just zoomed out 13:48:03 <jez> there's a grey blimp randomly flying over 13:48:03 <jez> heh 13:48:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean the zepellin from the disaster? 13:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's not a blimp ;) 13:49:23 <jez> www.game-point.net/misc/blimp.png 13:49:36 <jez> havent seen that before 13:51:08 <Naksu> it's probably from a grf 13:51:37 <peter1138> no, it's just one of the disasters 13:52:51 <jez> i didn't get a disaster occuring 13:53:03 <peter1138> do you have an airport? 13:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's still a zeppelin (i think that's the spelling), not a blimp 13:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> a blimp is only a balloon shaped as a zeppelin 13:54:57 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> while a real zeppelin has a solid structure, supporting its shape 13:55:34 <jez> yeah, but blimp sounds more funny 13:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> i could call you idiot, it sounds funny also 13:57:56 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:10 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 13:58:23 <peter1138> so how does a zepellin go up & down? 13:58:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> a zeppelin has engines, like a plane, only you can turn them into different directions 13:59:12 <Born_Acorn> bleh. 13:59:14 <hylje> afaik zeppelins used air to influence their weight 13:59:25 <Born_Acorn> The cheat window doesn't work on my laptop 13:59:37 <Born_Acorn> I can't test all of AV8! 13:59:57 *** Cybertinus [~cybertinu@213.84.255.40] has joined #openttd 14:00:00 <Cybertinus> hello 14:00:16 <glx> Born_Acorn: ctrl-alt-win-C fails too? 14:00:25 <Cybertinus> I need a little advice about making a railroad station more efficient 14:00:39 <Born_Acorn> Ooh. That works 14:01:46 <Cybertinus> I have a 9-track rail-way station. It has 2 entrances and 2 exits. I already have long exits, so the trains doesn't block everything when they are trying to leave 14:01:48 <Born_Acorn> thanks! 14:02:07 <Cybertinus> but there can only leave 1 train, at a moment. But I have 2 exits 14:02:28 <Cybertinus> is there a way so there can leave 2 trains at the same time? 14:02:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> sounds like the common "i need PBS" problem ;) 14:03:48 <Cybertinus> I don't know the common "I need PBS" problem :) 14:05:01 <jez> <hylje> afaik zeppelins used air to influence their weight 14:05:08 <jez> ^ IOW, like a hot air balloon 14:10:05 <Belugas> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin#Principal_characteristics 14:10:08 <Belugas> not air 14:10:10 <Belugas> hydrogen 14:10:45 <jez> ah yes 14:10:48 <jez> hence the explosion 14:11:21 <hylje> Belugas: mainly hydrogen, with air to make the thing heavier 14:11:22 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:14:25 <peter1138> pump more air in or output? 14:14:27 <peter1138> -put 14:14:52 <Belugas> i think it worked like a sub 14:15:07 <Belugas> chasing heavy elements (air) by using hydrogen 14:15:12 <jez> could one of you fix that string? 14:16:17 <Belugas> and let the hydrogen escape, thus letting air in, for getting heavier 14:16:20 <Belugas> or so i think 14:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> err.. air's not gonna make a zeppelin heavier.. and if you mix the hydrogen (or more modern: helium) with air, you're not gonna get the air out again 14:21:23 <jez> what's wrong with you people? why wont you check in a simple fix? 14:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> because you did not provide a diff and post it at flyspray? 14:22:07 <jez> why would i? it's one damn string 14:22:21 <Belugas> work@work is a damn thing 14:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> because that's how it works? 14:22:31 <jez> no it isnt 14:22:37 <jez> not every patch is posted at flyspray 14:23:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, but if you do it, they have one less reason to reject it ;) 14:25:56 <Born_Acorn> hydrogen doesn't explode, it burns! 14:26:09 <glx> same effect :) 14:26:26 <jez> you are aware that an explosion is an extremely fast combustion? 14:26:51 <Born_Acorn> buurrrns! 14:27:46 <Born_Acorn> fiiiiiirre! 14:29:38 <peter1138> ok 14:29:44 <peter1138> who's got Born_Acorn's pills? 14:30:12 <Born_Acorn> Skiddles has been taking them! 14:30:21 <Born_Acorn> Skiiiiiiidles! 14:35:24 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:32 *** jez [virtua@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 14:43:22 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> europa.oftc.net quits: _42_ 14:45:43 *** Netsplit over, joins: _42_ 14:51:44 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:48 *** Cybertinus [~cybertinu@213.84.255.40] has quit [Quit: bye] 15:06:59 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-3-14.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:07:29 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:09:02 <ln-> http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b368/heikki100/pesuohje.jpg 15:20:06 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7181.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:40 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:53 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-203-72.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 15:44:29 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:02:32 *** Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:02 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:42 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 16:11:00 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:11:57 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:05 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 16:13:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 16:16:26 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:20 *** Rens2DoomBuilder is now known as Rens2Eat 16:22:33 *** Zavior_ [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:23:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host18-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:23:52 <Wolf01> hi 16:25:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:28:26 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:05 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:55:27 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27952 16:55:36 <Born_Acorn> The forum has half a million posts. :o 16:56:18 <SpComb> we must sacrifice 500,000 goats to appease the gods 17:04:12 * Jhs still hasn't registered at the forums 17:08:54 <Born_Acorn> boo! hiss! boo! <generic disagreement sounds> 17:10:11 <Jhs> ...but now I have :) 17:12:34 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:49 *** Tron_ [VNlrDKlU@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17:42 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 17:18:42 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 17:20:26 <DirtYiCE> hi everybody 17:22:07 *** Rens2Eat is now known as Rens2Sea 17:24:13 <Born_Acorn> Yay! Woo! yay! <generic applauding sounds> 17:32:32 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:37:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:39:13 <Sionide> is there a list somewhere on the wiki which lists the new features in a better way than the changelog.txt does? 17:39:43 <Sionide> because the changelog.txt also includes all the tiny little bug fixes... all i'm interested in is the interesting and cool patches which are being added for better gameplay...? 17:40:10 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:40:55 <Sionide> well ok there's a lot in the changelog but a definitive list could also explain some of the patches and what they do too 17:41:09 <Sionide> in a bit more detail.. 17:41:22 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 17:41:43 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:36 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:43:17 <Sionide> also the changelog.txt on the svn server only covers major releases by the look of things, or am i looking in the wrong place? :s 17:52:36 <Born_Acorn> It covers every single tiny change to the SVN. 17:55:51 *** jez [centario@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:56:56 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:08:43 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-3-14.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:09:25 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:46 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:12 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 18:10:44 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:02 <jez> is there a function i can use to output debug messages live in a Release compile of openTTD? 18:14:33 <blathijs> Nope, there really not in there 18:15:35 <Sacro> blathijs: not even if you look reeeeeeeeeally hard? 18:16:38 <hylje> nope, unless you can hack the build to debug on the fly 18:16:52 <jez> what about debugging in debug mode? 18:17:20 <jez> sorry, by debug messages, i just mean my own personal outputs 18:17:27 <jez> not some compiler debug stuff or anything 18:17:39 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: g2g] 18:18:51 <Tron> debug.h, is the filename in any way misleading? 18:19:30 <jez> no, but i dont really understand what's in there 18:19:55 <Darkvater> uch, I got a cold :( 18:20:13 <Darkvater> jez: DEBUG(<level-name>, <level) (printf-format); 18:22:16 * Belugas sends a hot to Darkvater 18:23:10 * Born_Acorn sends Darkvater a cure for the common cold 18:23:17 <Born_Acorn> Oh. Wait, they aren't in stock yet. 18:24:49 <jez> hmm 18:25:01 <jez> i need a way to output a message in the release version. i think it's behaving differently to the debug version 18:25:08 <Darkvater> aaah Born_Acorn ;) 18:25:31 <Darkvater> jez: use DEBUG() 18:26:11 <Darkvater> jez: you can start the release version with -d to get a debug console or open the ingame console and type 'developer 2' to output debugging messages into the game's console 18:26:48 <jez> hum 18:29:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-20-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:29:23 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 18:29:59 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:24 * Darkvater is off to training :) 18:31:48 <Belugas> enjoy :) 18:32:54 <Darkvater> I'll probably drool all over the ice ;p 18:33:04 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/] 18:33:08 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 18:33:54 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:34:52 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:52 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 19:01:59 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:39 <Sacro> lws1984! 19:03:08 <lws1984> Sacro! 19:04:21 * Wolf01 19:04:36 <lws1984> 19:04:38 <lws1984> ? 19:04:50 <Sacro> Wolf01! 19:05:06 <Wolf01> Sacro! 19:17:04 *** Belugas [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 19:17:40 <CIA-1> KUDr * r6791 /trunk/yapf/yapf_rail.cpp: -Fix: [YAPF] YapfFindNearestRailDepotTwoWay() did not work for train inside tunnel. 19:18:08 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040505]] 19:20:28 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0D399.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:22 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 19:24:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 19:25:32 <KUDr> XeryusTC: soory, i forgot to give you credit 19:26:19 * XeryusTC advocates a dummy commit 19:26:29 <hylje> KUDR * r6792 /trunk/yapf/yapf_rail.cpp: -Fixed credit (thanks XeryusTC) 19:26:45 <KUDr> heh 19:27:01 <KUDr> hylje: thanks for the fix 19:27:07 <XeryusTC> btw, i just came from work when you said it :P 19:27:08 <hylje> ha 19:27:16 <KUDr> good 19:29:45 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-147-54.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:30:00 <jez> strange. 19:32:24 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:33:47 <jez> Does the code do some kind of checking of the GM music files, like CRC code or filesize? 19:34:30 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 19:35:10 <jez> no, forget that 19:35:30 <jez> it seems the debug build is going (correctly) up to song number 22 before skipping to 1, but release is only going up to 21 19:36:38 <hylje> ha 19:36:41 <hylje> you got a nice bug 19:37:21 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:39 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:43:43 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:45:55 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:46:38 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:18 <jez> how do i scroll up and down the debug window? 19:50:31 *** PandaMojo__ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:51:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:53:53 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:52 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:54 *** PandaMojo__ is now known as PandaMojo 19:55:45 <XeryusTC> jez: you mean the console? 19:56:40 <jez> never mind, found out 20:00:10 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:03:41 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:13 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 483 seconds] 20:18:28 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:26 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:37:28 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:14 <jez> I've a bugfix for the jazz jukebox code 20:57:09 <Wolf01> 'night all 20:57:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host18-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:00:27 <peter1138> jez: you've fixed the dodgy midis? 21:02:37 <jez> i've done that by ripping them from dosbox 21:02:41 <jez> but this particular fix is another one 21:02:57 <jez> it wasn't adding song 22 (hard drivin') to the playlist 21:03:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:53 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:06:01 <Belugas_Gone> jez, have you found out why? Was there really a difference between debug and release? 21:07:41 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:07:42 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7181.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:01 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7181.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:42 <jez> im not sure why it worked in debug 21:09:03 <jez> it was incorrectly testing an array with the index of the song number instead of index-1 21:09:22 <jez> when it tested for song 22 it tried to test array[22] of a 22 index array 21:13:41 <Belugas_Gone> nice... 21:13:44 <Belugas_Gone> diff? 21:13:51 <jez> i have one 21:13:54 <jez> where should i put it 21:14:00 <Belugas_Gone> just in case i wold be the culprit :S 21:14:03 <Belugas_Gone> DCC? 21:14:12 <Belugas_Gone> why am i gone? 21:15:28 <Belugas_Gone> ho.yeah i should be gone indeed 21:15:37 <Belugas_Gone> received 21:15:52 <Belugas_Gone> and indeed, it does like my work 21:16:11 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:17:15 <Belugas_Gone> thanks, looks like you'll may finally have some of your work commited ;) 21:18:08 <jez> ha ha. 21:19:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:19:58 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20:30 <Belugas_Gone> and now i'm really done 21:20:32 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:55 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 21:22:08 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 21:22:17 <MeusH> hello 21:22:23 <jez> hi 21:23:03 <Brianetta> helol 21:24:51 <Bjarni> to all English speaking people: 21:24:52 <Bjarni> -STR_VEH_WITH_SHARED_ORDERS_LIST_TIP :{BLACK}Show all vehicles which have the same schedule 21:24:52 <Bjarni> +STR_VEH_WITH_SHARED_ORDERS_LIST_TIP :{BLACK}Show all vehicles that share this schedule 21:25:00 <Bjarni> is this change correct? 21:26:18 <jez> i speak very good English. 21:27:01 <Bjarni> actually I was thinking of other English speaking people, like Brianetta ;) 21:27:11 <Bjarni> or peter1138 21:27:21 <jez> brianetta huh 21:27:26 <Brianetta> Yes, that's a correct change 21:27:32 <Brianetta> as jez proposed earlier 21:27:46 <Bjarni> good 21:27:50 <jez> [14:31] <jez> STR_VEH_WITH_SHARED_ORDERS_LIST_TIP :{BLACK}Show all vehicles that share this schedule 21:27:50 <jez> [14:31] <Brianetta> That's much better 21:27:54 <jez> lol 21:27:55 <jez> too late 21:27:59 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 21:28:07 <Bjarni> I didn't see that as I was offline at the time 21:28:11 <Brianetta> (: 21:28:17 <jez> yep we noticed 21:30:22 *** CIA-1 was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [CIA-1] 21:30:22 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 21:30:36 * Bjarni kick CIA-1 21:30:38 <peter1138> bah 21:30:41 * Bjarni kicks CIA-1 21:30:41 <CIA-1> ow 21:30:50 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DC07.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:30:51 * peter1138 ponders 'being ill' tomorrow 21:31:14 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:15 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: are you feel sick, or just wants to work all day on OpenTTD? :D 21:31:22 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: both 21:31:32 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:31:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:31:41 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: :D 21:31:44 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6792 /trunk/lang/english.txt: 21:31:44 <CIA-1> -Cleanup: improved the English used in STR_VEH_WITH_SHARED_ORDERS_LIST_TIP (jez) 21:31:44 <CIA-1> The meaning should remain the same and there is no need to retranslate this string 21:31:45 <MeusH> Bjarni is doing strange things :S 21:31:45 <Bjarni> hmm 21:32:02 <Bjarni> I lost the connection 21:32:09 <jez> heh cool 21:32:17 <jez> i wondered what all that incoming traffic was 21:32:26 <jez> well 21:32:30 <jez> incoming/outgoing 21:32:34 <jez> worried i was a spam zombie 21:32:45 <Bjarni> noticed right away as I accidentally wrote "/kick CIA-1" instead of "/me kicks CIA-1" and nothing happened 21:32:46 <jez> thanks to Wireshark, now i know it's virtually all Skype 21:32:52 <jez> apparently i'm acting as a useful proxy 21:33:13 <jez> Bjarni: habit. 21:33:29 <peter1138> Bjarni: good job you don't auto-op, eh? 21:33:51 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:27 <jez> Sygate tells me what ports various programs are listening/connected on (a graphical netstat), Wireshark tells me about traffic to/from those ports 21:34:53 <peter1138> netstat & tcpdump, whew 21:35:02 <jez> shame there isn't a program that can tie those together. i want a list of rach process's network connection usage by % 21:35:23 <jez> no, it's better than netstat 21:35:30 <jez> netstat can't tie a process to an open port 21:35:34 <Bjarni> <peter1138> Bjarni: good job you don't auto-op, eh? <-- yeah, we should protect the feelings of CIA-1 21:35:35 <Bjarni> oh wait 21:35:37 <Bjarni> :P 21:35:45 <jez> it just says 'these are open'. if something suspicious is open, you dont necessarily know what opened it 21:36:06 <peter1138> Active Internet connections (w/o servers) 21:36:06 <peter1138> Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name 21:36:09 <peter1138> tcp 0 0 192.168.1.4:51552 195.112.37.102:22 ESTABLISHED5480/ssh 21:36:10 <jez> oh actually it can, just doesnt by default 21:36:12 <peter1138> tcp 1 0 192.168.1.4:33378 62.216.251.200:80 CLOSE_WAIT 5132/mpdscribble 21:36:15 <Bjarni> anyway I wrote a longer commit message than the diff o_O 21:36:15 <peter1138> oh yeah 21:36:18 <peter1138> it can't... 21:36:41 <peter1138> actually i wanted -l, but oh well 21:36:42 <jez> still it doesnt tie that to network utilization, unfortunately 21:37:09 <peter1138> if you run it quickly enough you can see the send & recv queue ;) 21:37:26 <jez> i'd like to be able to see what process(s) are rumbling on causing constant traffic 21:37:32 <jez> it's a pain with Wireshark, getting each packet 21:37:42 <jez> unless it's really obvious (like with skype_ 21:37:43 * peter1138 hmms at string A01F and A021 21:38:52 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:39:32 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 21:48:00 *** SchoolLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:09 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:02 * Brianetta is planning 21:50:08 * Born_Acorn plans more 21:51:06 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0D399.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:55:21 * peter1138 plans sleep 22:05:52 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:06:05 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:50 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 22:07:59 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E7E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:39 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by glx|away))] 22:11:46 *** glx|away is now known as glx 22:18:57 <Darkvater> Bjarni: ! 22:19:24 <Bjarni> Darkvater: ! 22:19:33 <Darkvater> Bjarni: autoreplace icon! 22:19:47 <jez> this damn cheese is so nice 22:19:51 <jez> why does it have to be so bad for me 22:21:38 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:45 <Brianetta> Dutch Catenary rocks 22:57:48 <Brianetta> You can actually see it 23:03:11 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:06 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:13:55 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-213.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:20:51 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:20:56 <jez> Overhead lines ... are known variously as ... Catenary (somewhat inaccurately). 23:21:04 <Sacro> Bjarni: the dutch are strange... 23:21:44 <jez> whilst overhead lines might look 'nice' in real life, i think they look terrible in TT 23:22:08 <jez> the train/track sprites are too small to adequately illustrate them and they just look cramped and get in the way 23:22:14 <Sacro> it needs some nice newgrf'y goodness 23:27:08 <Born_Acorn> http://www.isoma.net/games/goggles.html 23:27:09 <Born_Acorn> wee 23:27:11 <Born_Acorn> oops 23:29:47 <jez> stuck on 'preloading maps' 23:29:47 <jez> :-( 23:30:25 <MeusH> yeah, I know this one - it's great 23:30:40 <MeusH> jez, reload 23:33:31 <MeusH> jez, the whole perspective thing in TT is a big mistake 23:33:48 <MeusH> with ships having size of two haouses = a stadium 23:34:17 <Sacro> 32bpp will be great 23:34:59 <Sionide> wow 23:35:05 <Sionide> miniIN is awesome... 23:35:15 <Sionide> bus stops on the side of the road :D 23:35:19 <Sacro> Sionide: yes 23:36:00 <Sionide> subsiduries patch as well... hmmmm 23:36:01 *** wjarok [~billy@c-69-243-92-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:51 <Sionide> just wow 23:40:29 <MeusH> bye 23:40:34 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 23:43:56 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:44:39 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7181.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:48 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:51:25 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:06 *** jez [centario@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 23:55:12 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-203-72.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 23:55:40 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:06 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd