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00:02:44 <Sacro> im hungry, but im scared im gonna blow up the kitchen 00:18:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 00:24:48 *** jez [pinball@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 00:31:48 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F1E98.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: YOU! 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09:17:24 <peter1138> yes 09:19:41 <Celestar> peter1138: pm 09:23:52 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:25 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 09:39:43 <Darkvater> peter1138: ping & pm 09:39:47 <Darkvater> Celestar: ping 09:40:17 <Celestar> Darkvater: :) 09:42:41 <Darkvater> ok everyone! 09:42:50 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:42:50 <Darkvater> gimme 15 to wake up 09:43:14 * Celestar gives Darkvater a one and a five 09:43:54 <peter1138> 15 seconds? :D 09:43:59 <Born_Acorn> 20! 09:44:09 <Darkvater> that includes you Tron as well :) 09:44:58 * peter1138 splits up the grf stuff 09:45:25 <peter1138> into 1) saveload 2) network protocol 3) udp 09:45:38 * peter1138 also works on work stuff 09:46:00 * Celestar feels sick and decides to go home soon 09:46:24 <Born_Acorn> :( 09:51:48 * peter1138 ponders feeling sick too 09:53:47 <Celestar> temperature feels like 37.5 - 38 09:58:53 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:35 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.17] has joined #openttd 10:07:59 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 10:07:59 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 10:08:06 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 10:08:10 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 10:13:45 <SpComb> one two three 10:13:49 <SpComb> is CIA redundant? 10:13:57 *** Trenskow [~outlet@194.239.215.143] has joined #openttd 10:14:26 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7033 /branches/utf8/table/unicode.h: [utf8] Update comments explaining what the default unicode map is for 10:22:21 <Darkvater> the beast is awake 10:22:24 *** Trenskow [~outlet@194.239.215.143] has left #openttd [http://iThought.dk/ ] 10:22:55 <peter1138> which? 10:22:59 <Darkvater> < this one 10:23:02 <peter1138> ohh 10:26:09 <Darkvater> yep 10:28:16 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: Think "The Impossible Planet" and "The Satan Pit" 10:28:25 <Prof_Frink> He is awake. 10:39:53 <peter1138> ouch 10:40:09 <peter1138> we're up to 6025 sprites loaded before starting newgrf 10:40:32 <peter1138> our custom stuff adds 1129 sprites 10:40:39 <Darkvater> 1K???? 10:40:54 <Darkvater> that *is* a lot 10:41:24 <peter1138> yeah, but 10:41:31 <peter1138> 486 of them is nsignalsw 10:42:19 <Prof_Frink> why do you need nsignals when you don't have pbs? 10:42:25 <peter1138> quite 10:42:49 <peter1138> next biggest is the 2cc maps with 256 10:42:53 <Darkvater> it's about time the sprite limit got upped :) 10:42:56 <peter1138> yeah 10:43:28 * peter1138 wonders how to make that one optional 10:43:33 <peter1138> (well, easy, load it the newgrf way) 10:43:35 <peter1138> hmm 10:44:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:44:02 <Darkvater> how hard is it to only load 2cc when a newgrf file requires it? 10:44:12 <Darkvater> or 2cc needs loaded BEFORE the grf in question? 10:44:28 <peter1138> well 10:44:35 <peter1138> it could work, but the sprite base needs to be dynamic 10:44:44 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Should be a moot question. Once we have new, original graphics, won't they be 2cc? 10:44:56 <peter1138> no, they'll be 32bpp :D 10:45:17 <Brianetta> One would hope, sure. 10:50:41 <peter1138> with ShowInfoF(), should i prefix the error message? 10:53:02 <Darkvater> nah 10:54:31 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7034 /branches/utf8/fontcache.c: [utf8] -Codechange: If freetype fails or a freetype font can't be used, show as an error instead of hiding it a debug message. 11:06:23 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C3C4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:06:23 <roboboy> gnight 11:06:47 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 11:08:08 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C3C4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:17 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:18:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 11:18:41 <peter1138> lolling at the miniin saveload suggestion 11:18:54 <peter1138> "make it save trunk compatible games" 11:21:09 <Darkvater> hehe 11:29:33 <Brianetta> Could be a click-hold option 11:29:46 <Brianetta> Save compatible game... openttd 11:29:48 <Brianetta> Save compatible game... patch 11:29:58 *** rob2 [~rob2@spc1-pete5-0-0-cust751.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:30:02 <Brianetta> just strips out anything those games will cough and die on 11:30:57 <Darkvater> dream on :) 11:31:12 * Brianetta shrugs 11:31:19 <Brianetta> It's not like I play Patch or Mini 11:33:09 <peter1138> me neither 11:33:28 <Darkvater> you cannot simply just strip things out, you will have to do tons of conversions as well to get it working 11:42:58 *** rob2 [~rob2@spc1-pete5-0-0-cust751.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:43:51 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: /quit] 11:43:53 <peter1138> hmm 11:44:11 <peter1138> Darkvater: as you wrote airports... can you think of ways to fix the international airport? 11:44:26 <peter1138> there's a lot of "needless" waiting going on 11:44:45 <peter1138> i've never seen all terminals full, but often there's a queue at the end of the runway 11:48:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:05 <Darkvater> international or intercontinental? 11:51:36 <peter1138> errrr 11:51:39 <peter1138> intercontinental 11:51:48 <peter1138> just testing you're awake 11:53:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:53:30 <Darkvater> I am not touching the intercontinental 11:53:45 <Brianetta> It wants to be touched 11:53:52 <Darkvater> richk failed to produce any kind of graph on how the states works, what blocks there are, etc. 11:54:09 <Darkvater> by the time I figure that out, we're at least 2 weeks away 11:54:43 <peter1138> hmm 11:54:48 <Darkvater> eg, something like this: http://darkvater.openttd.org/airports/International.png, http://darkvater.openttd.org/airports/International_state_machine.png 11:55:00 <Darkvater> even after repeated requests for it while he was still coding it 11:55:18 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.openttd.org/airports/International_block.png 11:55:38 <peter1138> i'm assuming he used something similar for creating them 11:55:38 <Darkvater> without this, it's 90% figuring out what it actually does 11:55:39 <peter1138> or... 11:55:42 <peter1138> maybe not... 11:58:33 *** Stormcape [~storm@d64-180-147-192.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:02 *** lws|ZzZz is now known as lws|Insomnia 12:10:41 *** CaptObvious [~CaptObvio@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:16:16 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7035 /branches/utf8/string.c: [utf8] -Codechange: when decoding a utf8 stream, don't check the first character again if there was already a match. 12:22:33 <Born_Acorn> Darkvater, delivereth a smacking to upside his head. 12:22:44 <Born_Acorn> Then demand state machne schematics! 12:23:16 <Darkvater> hmm 12:23:45 <Darkvater> peter1138: in r7035, why did you move IsUtf8Part() checks to seperate lines? 12:24:15 <Darkvater> oh heh, get it 12:33:17 <peter1138> yeah, that's why ;) 12:33:42 <peter1138> hmm, inlinestring doesn't terminate 12:33:47 <peter1138> so i can't use strecat with it .hmm. 12:34:06 <peter1138> also: what's the differences between endof() and lastof()? 12:34:20 *** Twinsen__ [user@86.124.4.122] has joined #openttd 12:34:27 <peter1138> i'm guess lastof is -1 12:34:30 <peter1138> +ing 12:34:30 <peter1138> hmm 12:35:00 <Darkvater> endof = returns address off last, lastof = last usable element 12:35:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:36:10 <peter1138> rightoh 12:36:47 <peter1138> i guess that it all gets optimised to one value anyway 12:37:28 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/acceptlist.diff (or something) 12:37:41 <peter1138> could add a last to inlinestring 12:38:02 <peter1138> we'll end up slowing the whole thing by checking dimensions all the time 12:38:44 <Darkvater> if (b >= endof(_userstring) - 5 - 1) break < doesn't this already check? 12:39:08 <peter1138> yes, that does 12:39:17 <peter1138> but elsewhere... 12:39:28 <peter1138> it's probably not necessary 12:39:28 <Born_Acorn> Hmm. The intercontinental could do with less planes waiting inded. 12:39:35 <Darkvater> however, this is not related to utf8 :) 12:39:37 <peter1138> 3 bytes won't hurt a thing ;) 12:39:49 <peter1138> Darkvater: correct. it removes those "nasty" changes in utf8 though :) 12:40:22 <peter1138> and frankly b[-2] deserves to die 12:41:08 <Darkvater> seconded 12:41:43 <peter1138> actually there'd be less lines if first = false was unconditional 12:41:53 <peter1138> then the else part could be an if () .. on one line 12:42:49 <Sacro> thats disturbing... 12:43:06 <peter1138> hmm? 12:43:11 <Sacro> if i want midis to play, i have to start up audacious and set it playing 12:43:24 <Sacro> otherwise OpenTTD just grabs the output but wont use it 12:44:29 <peter1138> "grabs the output" ? 12:45:06 <Sacro> yeah... if i start Audacious with OpenTTD running, then it complains that it cant use ALSA because something else is already using it 12:45:19 <peter1138> right? 12:45:49 <peter1138> whereas if you start audacious first, it grabs the output and openttd can't use it 12:45:52 <peter1138> or not? 12:46:16 <Sacro> nope, audacious opens plays fine, and then OpenTTD can join in and play the midis 12:46:31 <peter1138> what are you using for playing the midis? 12:46:38 <peter1138> the default is timidity 12:46:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:48 <SpComb> :o 12:46:51 <Sacro> im using timidity 12:47:12 <SpComb> Purno visits #openttd ! 12:47:24 <Purno> yes? 12:47:53 <Sacro> peter1138: ive tried with -m extmidi, it just thinks a bit and gives up, just scrolls through all the songs 12:48:44 <peter1138> o_O 12:48:48 <peter1138> -m extmidi is default... 12:48:57 <peter1138> (on unix) 12:49:08 <Sacro> yes, i thought so... that'd be why nothing else changes 12:49:34 <peter1138> so timidity can't open the sound device when openttd opens it 12:49:40 <peter1138> but it can when audacious opens it 12:49:43 <Sacro> yeah... unless something else has 12:49:45 <peter1138> sounds like crapy drivers to me 12:49:55 <Sacro> lol... could be 12:50:20 <Sacro> does it just pass it to the timidity binary, or will it look for an alsa daemon? 12:50:27 <peter1138> well it sounds like it's locking based on the audio frequency 12:50:35 <peter1138> it justs runs timidity directly 12:50:47 <peter1138> infact, it just runs the command listed under extmidi in the config 12:51:11 <Sacro> hmm... strange 12:53:45 <peter1138> you could try with -s sdl:hz=44100 or something 12:54:26 <Sacro> hmm... 12:55:38 *** Tron_ [915Phf7d@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 13:00:40 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:07 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:15:15 <peter1138> hmm 13:15:39 <Prof_Frink> hmm? 13:18:44 <Darkvater> Prof_Frink: pay up! 13:18:57 <Prof_Frink> hrmm? 13:19:06 <Darkvater> hmm is copyrighted by peter1138 13:19:45 * Prof_Frink dons eyepatch and grabs cutlass 13:20:04 <peter1138> it's like ttdpatch 13:20:07 <peter1138> but for eyes 13:25:05 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:26:24 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6636.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:25 *** Sacro is now known as Sacro|College 13:27:58 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:27 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-123.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 13:52:20 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C3C4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:54:21 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:54:31 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 13:58:47 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:59:13 <Belugas> hello 14:01:00 <Darkvater> hiya Belugas 14:01:32 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:38 <Darkvater> Belugas: do you know if Rubidium is still active? 14:01:51 <Belugas> from time to time, he is in the USA right now 14:01:53 <Belugas> in a trip 14:02:01 <Belugas> which will end in... 14:02:07 <Belugas> 4 days 14:02:13 <Belugas> IIRC 14:02:37 <Belugas> good day Darkvater 14:05:23 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:08:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C3C4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:10:00 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C3C4.versanet.de] has quit [] 14:11:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C3C4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:12:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C3C4.versanet.de] has quit [] 14:35:53 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 14:43:42 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:46:41 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 14:47:22 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:42 * Brianetta tunes a slide rule 14:50:55 *** xyz [ss@bas2-montreal02-1096684082.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 14:51:00 <xyz> hi 14:51:41 <xyz> how can i check if a rail wagon can be re-feted to a specific cargo type? 14:52:01 <xyz> whitout the use of DoCommand 14:52:08 <peter1138> CanRefitTo() 14:52:14 <xyz> ok 14:52:16 <xyz> thx 14:54:29 *** xyz [ss@bas2-montreal02-1096684082.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 14:58:20 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:03:20 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:15 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:14 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:10:34 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:15:02 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.64.29] has joined #openttd 15:15:10 *** Celestar_ is now known as Celestar|bed 15:15:13 <Celestar|bed> hiho 15:15:21 <Darkvater> in bed? pfft 15:16:01 <Celestar|bed> well my girlfriend stuffed me here 15:16:21 <Tron_> i wouldn't complain then 15:16:28 <Tron_> *cough* 15:16:29 <Celestar|bed> I don't, Darkvater does :P 15:16:52 <Belugas> you know his gf, Tron_? 15:16:53 <Belugas> hehehe 15:17:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 15:17:15 <Celestar|bed> hm ... 15:17:21 <Celestar|bed> I have a "movie flat rate" now :P 15:17:22 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F22B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:17:39 <Celestar|bed> the question is, what to do with it :P 15:17:55 <peter1138> ignore it 15:18:47 <Tron_> your gf ordered into the bed 15:18:53 <Tron_> and all you can think about is movies? 15:19:04 <Darkvater> and chatting on IRC? 15:19:08 <Celestar|bed> well, she isn't here 15:19:08 <Tron_> you're *definatly* doing something *very* wrong 15:19:09 * Darkvater shakes head 15:19:43 <Celestar|bed> she's out trying to buy some food 15:20:39 * peter1138 sighs 15:21:04 <Celestar|bed> this is a weird flatrate, all movies cost 2.99 EUR :P 15:21:11 <peter1138> got to create a demo site with demo data 15:21:19 <peter1138> i hate this shit 15:22:18 <Celestar|bed> lol these movies are supposed to be DRM protected 15:22:22 <Celestar|bed> lets see what kaffeine does with it :P 15:22:23 <Tron_> oh, food games, naughty (:< 15:22:37 <Belugas> random data, peter1138 :) 15:22:42 * Celestar|bed throws some strawberries at Tron_ 15:22:57 <peter1138> it's annoying 15:22:59 <Darkvater> ipsum lorum 15:23:01 <peter1138> there's a live system 15:23:06 <Tron_> strawberries, uhu, you know what strawberries stand for? 15:23:06 <peter1138> that it needs to mimic 15:23:27 <Tron_> Darkvater: it's lorem ipsum! 15:23:37 <SpComb> peter1138: sounds fairly standard 15:23:49 <SpComb> it's called work and you get paid for it? 15:23:57 <Celestar|bed> Tron_: I'm not into food games that much :P 15:24:27 <peter1138> i can't easily make a copy of the live system because it contains a custom daemon, databases and strict encryption/key holding stuff 15:24:48 <Celestar|bed> ok this kind of sucks 15:24:49 <Tron_> Celestar|bed: let's just say you're a naughty boy 15:25:14 <peter1138> so i could make a mockup with the site talking directly to a database, but that'll be loads of work :/ 15:25:18 <peter1138> and it's not paid for 15:25:25 <peter1138> cos it's only a demo 15:25:31 <Celestar|bed> Tron_: I know that, I dun need strawberries for that :P 15:25:34 <SpComb> so you don't get paid for it? :/ 15:25:37 <peter1138> (if the customer wants it, they get to use the live system anyway...) 15:25:58 <peter1138> i get paid by my employer, yeah 15:26:04 <peter1138> but they won't get paid for it 15:26:18 <Celestar|bed> this 16MBit connection is kinda slow 15:26:25 <Celestar|bed> dunno how much, but NOT 16MBit 15:26:33 * peter1138 ponders saving and editing html pages instead 15:26:52 <SpComb> peter1138: uuh... wait a sec, I'm sure I could find something from thedailywtf that could help you 15:27:01 * SpComb recalls something similar 15:27:11 <Celestar|bed> ok 15:27:22 <SpComb> it was about converting a website from one language to another (server side) 15:27:27 <Celestar|bed> movie flat means you get crap movied for free, and you pay 3.99 for proper movies 15:27:40 <SpComb> what they did was visit the web site and save each page using "Save as complete web page" 15:27:50 <SpComb> so each page had it's own .html and then a dir with all the .css and images 15:27:53 <peter1138> o_O 15:28:01 <SpComb> and then they went in and replaced all the data in the source code with code 15:28:05 <SpComb> yeah, it was pretty cool 15:28:16 <SpComb> and then the punchline was how they had someone in to change a css rule 15:28:22 <peter1138> oh dear 15:28:24 <Celestar|bed> ok I need to pay 3.99 to get a DRM-protected, only-on-IE6-working movie ..... *cough*mule*cough* 15:28:37 <hylje> classic wtf 15:28:40 <SpComb> but I'm too lazy to go find it 15:28:41 <peter1138> movies work in internet browsers? 15:28:43 <peter1138> hmm 15:28:47 <peter1138> i probably read it, heh 15:29:03 <Celestar|bed> peter1138: they appear only to download on IE. seems that I needa fool the server 15:29:24 <SpComb> use... wget 15:29:29 <SpComb> maybe the server will crash 15:29:58 <Celestar|bed> lol 15:30:01 <Celestar|bed> possible 15:30:06 <Celestar|bed> but I need some kind of link to wget 15:30:16 <SpComb> is it some giant js thing? 15:30:27 <Celestar|bed> js? 15:30:30 <SpComb> javascript 15:30:50 <peter1138> if (browser == IE) { download(); } else if (browser == Firefox) { dontdownload(); } else { die(); // WON'T HAPPEN } 15:32:49 <Celestar|bed> hrhr 15:33:06 <Prof_Frink> Celestar|bed: UASwitcher extension? 15:33:19 <Celestar|bed> wtf is UASwitcher? 15:33:30 <SpComb> UA = user agent 15:33:39 <Prof_Frink> Tell the server you're IE 15:33:43 <Prof_Frink> Or Opera 15:33:48 <Prof_Frink> Or a tree frog 15:33:56 <Celestar|bed> I will 15:34:06 <SpComb> hmm meatballs 15:34:09 <Celestar|bed> because konqueror has a nice button "Identify as IE6.0 on Windows XP" 15:34:33 <Celestar|bed> but first I need to find something that is worth downloading in the first place 15:34:47 <SpComb> search for "south park" 15:35:08 <Prof_Frink> Bah, it's no fun unless you identify as IE 8.0 alpha 15:35:23 <Prof_Frink> Just to confuse peoples logs 15:35:35 <Darkvater> my fucking god why is this fucking fuck flyspray so fucking slow 15:35:35 <Darkvater> my fucking god why is this fucking fuck flyspray so fucking slowjezus 15:35:40 <Celestar|bed> Prof_Frink: that might possibly cause a time-space anomaly in redmond 15:36:14 <Darkvater> why did this get sent twice? 15:36:27 <Celestar|bed> because you sent it twice? :) 15:36:34 <Darkvater> I did not 15:36:40 <Prof_Frink> Darkvater: tapped 'up'? 15:36:47 <Darkvater> I did not 15:36:48 <Celestar|bed> weird movies there are 15:37:16 <Prof_Frink> Darkvater: tapped 'up' without noticing? 15:37:17 <SpComb> click on the X.... no, not *that* x 15:37:28 <Darkvater> I did not 15:37:36 <Prof_Frink> How do you know? 15:38:04 <Tron_> Darkvater: LANGUAGE please! It's consensual sexual intercourse! 15:38:22 <Prof_Frink> tapped 'up', then had an attack of amnesia, and forgot you'd just tapped 'up'? 15:38:26 <Celestar|bed> "fuck yourself skinny" .... great movie title 15:38:53 *** xyz [ss@bas2-montreal02-1096684082.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 15:38:57 * Celestar|bed bangs head and resumes his plan to blow up the planet 15:39:19 * Prof_Frink hands Celestar|bed a bike pump 15:39:24 <Celestar|bed> lol 15:39:32 <xyz> how can i find out if a rail engine supports only passenger wagons? 15:39:46 <Prof_Frink> Now, where's the valve on theis thing? 15:39:55 <Prof_Frink> xyz: the manual? 15:40:10 <xyz> sorcecode function 15:41:09 <Prof_Frink> doesRailEngineSupportOnlyPassengerWagons() ? 15:41:14 <Celestar|bed> lol 15:41:18 <xyz> com on 15:41:24 <Celestar|bed> sounds like a typical function name 15:41:33 <Celestar|bed> xyz: good question, I'm not sure it is displayed in the interface at all 15:41:43 <Darkvater> xyz: it's somewhere inside the depot gui, and depends on newgrf callbacks 15:42:16 <Celestar|bed> Darkvater: the question is, is it displayed anywhere? 15:42:20 <Darkvater> hmm I can't fullscreen in my working copy... 15:42:24 <Darkvater> no it's not 15:42:29 <Darkvater> I think 15:42:39 <Celestar|bed> Darkvater: that is a problem imho 15:44:03 <xyz> well i cant test if the engine supports that when the AI attaches the wagons 15:44:18 <Celestar|bed> oh you mean in the code? 15:44:30 <xyz> but that means that the train is already both 15:44:32 <xyz> yeah 15:44:53 <Celestar|bed> ok fooling the server that I'm running IE6 causes an error 35009 in the server :P 15:45:40 * Celestar|bed ponders cause another 1500 errors of type 35009 15:46:25 <Prof_Frink> error 35009: Exploit failed. 15:46:38 <Darkvater> xyz: check train_cmd.c:1110 15:46:57 <Darkvater> uint16 callback = GetVehicleCallbackParent(CBID_TRAIN_ALLOW_WAGON_ATTACH, 0, 0, dst_head->engine_type, src, dst_head); 15:48:17 <xyz> ok 15:48:50 <peter1138> hmm, yeah, i need to fix that, though it wouldn't affect the ai 15:49:12 <Celestar|bed> why am I readin "WAGON_ATTACK" all the time 15:49:26 <Tron_> ATTACK OF THE KILLER WAGONS 15:49:52 <Celestar|bed> ERROR 35009 15:49:56 <Celestar|bed> cannot download movie 15:50:11 <Celestar|bed> the world sucks 15:50:17 <Celestar|bed> newton was wrong 15:51:43 <SpComb> http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/portalHelp2/html/errus.htm 15:52:30 <peter1138> ... 15:53:04 <SpComb> it's enterprisey, they probably use oracle 15:53:33 <SpComb> "To save software licensing costs, we will purchase a oracle license for the live server, and install MySQL 3.1 on the dev servers" 15:54:15 <Celestar|bed> "An unexpected exception occurred. The error message may provide further details." 15:54:28 <SpComb> after all, oracle is just a glorified version of MySQL 3.1! 15:54:36 <Tron_> the only option next to Oracle is PostgreSQL 15:54:42 <Tron_> at least if you use embedded SQL 15:54:45 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:55:06 <Tron_> i once ported an app using Embedded SQL for Oracle to Postgres 15:55:12 <Hagbarddenstore> Hey... I have a rather strange problem... The aircrafts IS VERY suicidal.... 15:55:14 <Tron_> it was just some minor changes 15:55:34 <Celestar|bed> hm? 15:55:37 <Celestar|bed> what's wrong with aircraft? 15:55:55 <Darkvater> they fly? 15:55:58 <Hagbarddenstore> Celestar|bed: They can't stay alive more than like 5 minutes... Then they chrasch. 15:56:13 <SpComb> nobody got my joke :( 15:56:18 <Celestar|bed> who increased the already-too-high crash rate_ 15:56:41 <Hagbarddenstore> Using Miniin... 15:56:50 <SpComb> C_TOWN_TERRORIST_BIRTH_RATE 55 15:56:52 <Celestar|bed> oh 15:58:00 *** xyz [ss@bas2-montreal02-1096684082.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 16:01:12 <Tron_> !seen alltaken 16:01:13 <_42_> Tron_, Alltaken (~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 4 days 1 hour 42 minutes ago (29.10. 14:19) stating "Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]" after spending 16 minutes there. 16:01:53 <Hagbarddenstore> !seen god 16:01:55 <_42_> Hagbarddenstore, god? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember god. 16:02:16 <Hagbarddenstore> !seen girls 16:02:17 <_42_> Hagbarddenstore, I don't remember seeing girls. 16:02:23 <Hagbarddenstore> Haha... :D 16:02:27 *** DarkSSH [~tfarago@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:02:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 16:02:36 <DarkSSH> yaay, connection died again... 16:04:13 <Celestar|bed> bbl 16:04:17 *** Celestar|bed [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.64.29] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:05:07 <peter1138> postgresql++ 16:05:14 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-155-85.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 16:05:55 <peter1138> Hagbarddenstore: what airport ? 16:06:12 <Hagbarddenstore> peter1138: The smallest and Kelling K6. 16:06:53 <Hagbarddenstore> It's cause of the small airport and the large plain right? 16:07:15 <peter1138> well there you go 16:07:15 <peter1138> yes 16:11:50 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:07 <DarkSSH> hmm, wireless's acting up :( 16:17:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 16:18:23 *** Dribbel [~martijn@ipd50a782f.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:35 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 16:21:09 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:57 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.243] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:12 <Hagbarddenstore> OMG! Why aren't there a coal wagon in Miniin ?!?!?! 16:26:19 <Hagbarddenstore> Maglev Coal wagon that is. 16:26:48 <Prof_Frink> Hagbarddenstore: with what set art thou playing? 16:26:49 <LSky`> who needs coal in 2020 :D 16:27:14 <Hagbarddenstore> Prof_Frink: Dunno... A friend of mine gave me this version... 16:27:28 <Prof_Frink> What trains can you use? 16:27:41 <Prof_Frink> TransRapid 09? 16:28:30 <Hagbarddenstore> Taurus, Gemini, Gemini, Gemini, GMD GF10C, GMD GF6C, 4-4-4 Jubilee Steam 16:28:38 <Hagbarddenstore> On Maglev... :| 16:28:49 <Prof_Frink> Sounds like UKRS 16:29:08 <Hagbarddenstore> Yeah... That can be it... 16:29:22 <Hagbarddenstore> UK renewal kit or something like that I think. 16:29:24 <Prof_Frink> Hagbarddenstore: Then the answer is: 'cause Pikka said so. 16:29:34 <Hagbarddenstore> Idiot. 16:29:39 <Prof_Frink> Hagbarddenstore: Almost, Set instead of Kit 16:29:44 <Hagbarddenstore> Ah kk... 16:29:46 <Prof_Frink> Hagbarddenstore: No, realism 16:30:07 <Prof_Frink> Who would really transport coal on a maglev? 16:30:12 <Hagbarddenstore> Where's the realism in Maglev year 1928 ? 16:30:48 <Prof_Frink> Hagbarddenstore: That's called a bug in openttd/miniin's newgrf 16:31:08 <Hagbarddenstore> Naahh... I'll just play the nightly usual one instead. 16:31:40 <Prof_Frink> If you want it to work as intended, play TTDPatch. 16:32:17 <peter1138> coal powered maglev :D 16:32:19 <Hagbarddenstore> TTDPatch? 16:32:34 <Hagbarddenstore> Uhm... I just have the files needed to play OpenTTD... 16:32:42 <Hagbarddenstore> I don't have the TT game. 16:32:53 <peter1138> Prof_Frink: ukrs in openttd works fine 16:33:05 <peter1138> so there must be some fudging around going on 16:33:31 <Prof_Frink> Probably. 16:33:44 <peter1138> that doesn't sound like ukrs anyway 16:33:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:35:30 *** Dribbel [~martijn@ipd50a782f.speed.planet.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:36:00 <peter1138> (no GMD anything, nor a 4-4-4 16:36:01 <peter1138> ) 16:37:17 <LSky`> peter1138 , how is it that the sprite limit is so hard to change? 16:37:17 <Prof_Frink> OK, it's some kind of mishmash, which would explain why it's so screwy. 16:41:31 <DarkSSH> peter1138: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/65 < this has been fixed, right/ 16:41:33 <DarkSSH> ? 16:41:49 <DarkSSH> just tried reproducing but didn't happen; or I did something wrong 16:41:53 <peter1138> dunno 16:41:59 <peter1138> i've never experienced it 16:42:08 <DarkSSH> k, closing it 16:42:27 <peter1138> no 16:42:35 <peter1138> maybe bobingabout can reproduce it for us 16:42:35 <DarkSSH> no as in don't close? 16:42:48 <DarkSSH> closing + message 16:42:50 <DarkSSH> ok, just message 16:43:22 <peter1138> LSky`: it just is :) 16:43:32 <LSky`> it just is . 16:44:54 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:04 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:45 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:44 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 16:54:52 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 16:58:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:08 *** Mr_rayman_2006 [~Mr_rayman@212.183.136.194] has joined #openttd 17:00:33 *** Mr_rayman_2006 [~Mr_rayman@212.183.136.194] has left #openttd [] 17:03:55 *** Sacro|College is now known as Sacro 17:05:31 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 17:05:52 *** DiMarcello [~chatzilla@ip54570021.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 17:05:59 <peter1138> hmm 17:06:10 <peter1138> should i add minimum players to the server info command? 17:06:30 <hylje> x/y players (z required) 17:07:32 <peter1138> currently we have clients, companies and spectators 17:07:46 <peter1138> but a player (in my context) is a client that is not a spectator 17:07:57 <peter1138> hmm 17:07:58 <hylje> spectators cant unpause the game 17:08:03 <peter1138> quite 17:11:37 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:36 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:19:18 <Frostregen> a server description would be nice. so you don't have to squeeze all info in the server name 17:20:00 <peter1138> well i was talking about a console command, heh 17:20:12 <Frostregen> i know, but i could not help it ;) 17:20:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 17:23:50 *** jez [postit@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:23:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host13-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:24:29 <Wolf01> yo-yo 17:24:56 <Frostregen> because currently there is no way to tell a possible client what newgrfs you use, besides an url in the servername 17:26:05 <Frostregen> hi wolf 17:27:38 <Wolf01> now google and tt sites works 17:28:30 <Wolf01> was a problem in Milan... something happened and packets couldn't pass from interbusiness to another network 17:29:54 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:30:10 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:32:55 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:02 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-133-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:35:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:33 *** egladil [~egladil@193.11.242.23] has joined #openttd 17:35:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 17:40:56 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7036 /branches/MiniIN/town_cmd.c: [MiniIN] -Fix: town growth did not check whether tiles were off the map, which created 'random' assertion (mart3p). 17:41:34 <CIA-1> glx * r7037 /branches/utf8/openttd_vs80.vcproj: [utf8] -Fix: add fontcache.c in VS80 project file 17:43:11 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.64.29] has joined #openttd 17:43:20 <Celestar_> DarkSSH: Darkvater ping 17:43:33 <Sacro> Celestar! 17:43:33 <DarkSSH> Celestar_: bb in 2 hours 17:43:57 <Celestar_> ok 17:44:07 <Celestar_> just wanted to know what needs fixing 17:48:01 <peter1138> damn it 17:48:21 <peter1138> there must be some way to avoid these (const char**) casts... 17:49:20 <Celestar_> hm? 17:50:21 <peter1138> const char *foo 17:50:40 <peter1138> you pass a char* to that and it works 17:50:47 <peter1138> const char **foo 17:50:55 <peter1138> you pass a char** to that and it complains 17:51:24 <Celestar_> what compiler? 17:53:19 <peter1138> gcc 17:53:27 <Celestar_> version? 17:53:40 <peter1138> 4.1.2 17:53:54 <peter1138> the error is technically correct, for reasons i can't remember 17:54:05 <Celestar_> hm can you set up a little test program so that I can try it? 17:54:11 <Celestar_> may Tron knows a reason 17:54:15 <Celestar_> I don't have the spec here 17:54:15 <peter1138> it's not a const/non-const warning, it's a pointer type mismatch 17:54:15 <CaptObvious> is there any documentation anywhere saying how to run OpenTTD as a windows service? 17:54:30 <Celestar_> CaptObvious: I do not think that we have such a feature? 17:54:35 <glx> CaptObvious: you can't 17:54:43 <peter1138> cos (const char *) is a different pointer type to (char *) 17:54:53 <CaptObvious> glx: I'm sure there must be a way 17:54:53 <peter1138> i bet you can 17:55:04 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7038 /branches/MiniIN/train_cmd.c: [MiniIN] -Fix: start/stop-all was not working for trains and AI players couldn't start their trains (mart3p). 17:55:14 <Celestar_> CaptObvious: maybe you want to code such a feature :) 17:55:15 <peter1138> just need something that'll execute any program, with the right args 17:56:19 <CaptObvious> Celestar_: I would if I even knew what language openttd is written in 17:56:35 <peter1138> C 17:56:37 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7039 /branches/MiniIN/road_map.c: [MiniIN] -Fix: towns did not grow beyond a drive-through road stop (mart3p). 17:56:40 <peter1138> there, you will now 17:56:41 <Celestar_> CaptObvious: C mostly :) 17:56:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 17:56:54 <Celestar_> YaPF is C++ 17:57:14 <CaptObvious> http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=197 17:58:45 <peter1138> funky yellow mouse pointer 17:59:22 <glx> so no need to modify openttd :) 18:01:59 <Celestar_> hmmmm 18:02:12 <Celestar_> ESA wants to build a manned spacecraft 18:02:50 <glx> hermes resurection? 18:02:58 <Celestar_> dunno 18:03:09 <Celestar_> do specific plans yet 18:03:20 <Celestar_> no* 18:05:07 <Celestar_> hopefully it happens 18:05:17 <Celestar_> but I don't see it yet 18:06:09 <Wolf01> lag from peter: NaN 18:09:42 * Sacro considers a patch to allow ttdpatch style configs 18:10:00 <BobingAbout> that'd be brilliant 18:10:16 <Sacro> BobingAbout: what make was that hard drive you lent me? 18:10:27 <BobingAbout> samsung 18:10:35 <Sacro> damn, :( you remembered 18:10:45 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7040 /branches/MiniIN/ (25 files in 5 dirs): [MiniIN] -Sync with trunk r7005:r7032. 18:10:53 <BobingAbout> 4Gb ATA66 18:11:04 <Sacro> i have a fujistu one here... 18:11:09 <Sacro> that might be an 8 actually 18:11:16 <Sacro> Rubidium: wooyay! 18:11:20 <BobingAbout> i gave you 1 of those at 4Gb 18:11:25 <BobingAbout> its only ATA33 18:11:31 <Sacro> ah, that'll be it then 18:11:48 <BobingAbout> i think it was fujitsu 18:12:19 *** valhallasw is now known as valhallasw`verygone 18:15:01 <Wolf01> peter fled 18:15:24 <peter1138> !seen bjarni 18:15:26 <_42_> peter1138, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 2 days 17 hours 59 minutes ago (31.10. 00:16) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 6 hours 18 minutes there. 18:15:29 <peter1138> hmm 18:16:00 <Celestar_> hm? 18:16:15 <peter1138> but in build vehicle window 18:16:17 <peter1138> err 18:16:18 <peter1138> *bug 18:16:19 <Celestar_> did he screw summing? 18:16:24 <peter1138> probably ;) 18:16:32 <peter1138> if you're scrolled to the bottom of the list 18:17:17 <peter1138> ... and make the window bigger by a row, the scroll stuff is messed up so it leaves a blank line at the bottom, until the next redraw 18:17:25 <Celestar_> uh huh 18:17:30 <Celestar_> so it misses a redraw? 18:19:19 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:20:14 *** Tron_ [915Phf7d@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20:58 <peter1138> or gets the scroll stuff wrong 18:21:04 <Celestar_> so peter1138 any luck with the char** problem?? 18:24:14 <ln-> Celestar_: is this photo faked or not? http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/m/PICT5149.JPG 18:24:14 <CaptObvious> is there a command line switch to make OpenTTD output to a log file when running as a dedicated server in windows? 18:24:24 <Celestar_> ln-: checking 18:24:25 <Sacro> CaptObvious: > 18:24:32 <CaptObvious> in windows? 18:24:36 <Sacro> afaik yeah 18:24:45 <Celestar_> ln-: no it is not 18:24:55 <Celestar_> it really happened 18:25:07 <Celestar_> you can even see the pilot ejecting 18:25:12 <Sacro> yeah... thats not fake 18:25:52 <Celestar_> hm 18:26:00 <Celestar_> I have a dead pixel on my lappie 18:26:12 <Celestar_> back in 5 18:26:15 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.64.29] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:26:28 <CaptObvious> > doesn't work 18:26:46 <DaleStan> What commandline did you use? 18:26:46 <glx> CaptObvious: convert it to console mode (using convert.exe which can be found in autopilot thread on forum) then you can use > 18:27:21 <Sacro> glx: good point, thanks 18:30:25 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.64.29] has joined #openttd 18:30:37 <Celestar_> back 18:30:40 <Celestar_> hmmm 18:30:52 <Celestar_> kaffeine doesn't like having the DVD ripped out while playback 18:31:19 <Sacro> Celestar: no...probably not 18:31:33 <Celestar_> I mean it never really recovers until a reboot :o 18:31:43 <Sacro> ooh, thats bad 18:32:12 <Noldo> hmm, I made a recursive bash script 18:32:26 <CaptObvious> glx: done 18:32:30 <CaptObvious> so I should be executing: 18:32:34 <CaptObvious> C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\OpenTTD.exe -D > C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\OpenTTD.log 18:32:35 <CaptObvious> right? 18:32:49 <Sacro> CaptObvious: sounds good 18:32:51 <glx> use quotes 18:32:52 <Celestar_> something like that yeah 18:33:03 <Celestar_> you will need quotes methinks as well 18:33:03 <CaptObvious> doesn't create a log on the desktop 18:33:03 <glx> because of spaces 18:33:05 <CaptObvious> ah, quotes 18:33:31 <CaptObvious> "C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\OpenTTD.exe" -D > "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\OpenTTD.log" 18:33:40 <glx> better yes 18:34:03 <CaptObvious> still no log on desktop 18:34:26 <Sacro> hmm 18:34:49 <CaptObvious> I tried running that command from a shortcut rather than as a service 18:34:49 <DaleStan> more "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\OpenTTD.log" 18:35:02 <Celestar_> try logging to C:\ directly and wee if you get anything? 18:35:03 <CaptObvious> and it brings up the openttd command line parameters window 18:35:10 <CaptObvious> there is no "more" in windows is there? 18:35:19 <CaptObvious> ooo, there is 18:35:21 <CaptObvious> that's handy 18:35:30 <CaptObvious> Celestar: it's not launching the program 18:35:34 <CaptObvious> it gives me the help dialog 18:35:41 <CaptObvious> with a list of all of the switches 18:35:47 <Sacro> heh 18:35:49 <DaleStan> I wish there were a less, but you can't have everything. (or at least not with windows) 18:35:54 <Sacro> CaptObvious: -D -g? 18:35:55 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-133-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client] 18:36:09 <CaptObvious> just -D on its own works, but doesn't log 18:36:13 <Sacro> damn i crave french toast again 18:36:16 <CaptObvious> it's having issues with the > 18:36:30 <DaleStan> Do you get output without the redirection? 18:36:49 <CaptObvious> yes 18:37:06 <Celestar_> possibly the redirection is wrongo ? 18:37:29 <CaptObvious> "C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\OpenTTD.exe" -D > "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\OpenTTD.log" 18:40:58 <glx> use >log 2>&1 18:41:13 <Sacro> glx: i dont think xp has bash redirection 18:41:20 <glx> it has 18:41:25 <Sacro> orly? 18:41:28 <glx> at least in cmd 18:41:44 <Sacro> i went to sort a pc yesterday, it had admin rights on the user 18:41:55 <Sacro> but cmd didnt work... and neither did ping :\ 18:42:08 <Sacro> i think it needs a big repair 18:42:29 <Celestar_> Sacro: "reinstallation" is the right thing to do 18:42:52 <Sacro> it looked like it was running Corporate... pre sp2 18:43:00 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 18:43:12 <Sacro> i think it was a "my boyfriend installed it all for me" job 18:43:18 <Celestar_> this MicroCrap is begging to get rediculous 18:43:25 <Sacro> though she said it came with mcaffee... so hmm, might have been 2000 oem 18:43:49 <Sacro> ooh, can i download 2000 oem from MSDNAA i wonder... 18:44:30 <CaptObvious> glx - do I need to change any of that? 18:44:46 <CaptObvious> like where do I add the location of the logfile? 18:47:10 <glx> hmm when I add the output redirection in the shortcut openttd doesn't start 18:47:20 <CaptObvious> I know 18:47:27 <CaptObvious> it gives you the help dialog right? 18:47:33 <glx> nothing 18:47:37 <glx> it just fails 18:47:43 <CaptObvious> mine gives me the help dialog 18:48:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:36 <Celestar_> something is wrongo 18:48:40 <Celestar_> but I can't check it 18:48:48 <Celestar_> it works fine for me in both bash and tcsh apparently 18:48:56 <CaptObvious> aha, it works 18:49:00 <CaptObvious> I had an extra space in there 18:50:16 <CaptObvious> hmm 18:50:20 <CaptObvious> it works from cmd 18:50:23 <CaptObvious> but not from a shortcut 18:52:25 <glx> put the command line in a .bat :) 18:52:40 <Celestar_> hehe 18:52:44 <CaptObvious> yeah, I put it in a .cmd 18:52:52 <CaptObvious> hmm 18:52:57 <CaptObvious> now it creates the log but it's empty 18:54:07 <glx> using ">log 2>&1" ? 18:54:07 <CaptObvious> no 18:54:15 <CaptObvious> use that instead of ">"? 18:54:48 <glx> 2>&1 in complement :) 18:55:35 <CaptObvious> ? 18:55:53 <glx> "C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\OpenTTD.exe" -D > "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\OpenTTD.log" 2>&1 18:56:14 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:22 *** `Ka^Studio [~ss@birrell29.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:56:29 <`Ka^Studio> whey 18:56:32 *** `Ka^Studio is now known as `Ka 18:56:49 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.17] has joined #openttd 18:57:10 <CaptObvious> hmm 18:57:16 <CaptObvious> weird 18:57:34 <CaptObvious> it gives 18:57:42 *** xyz [ss@bas2-montreal02-1096684082.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 18:57:45 <CaptObvious> The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. 18:58:18 <glx> what is using it? 18:58:36 <CaptObvious> nothing 18:58:44 <xyz> is the "CanRefitTo" function working differently with the road vehicle than with the railroad ones? 18:59:10 <CaptObvious> okay that's damn weird 18:59:14 <CaptObvious> the line in the .cmd is: 18:59:25 <`Ka> anyone got a server they dont mind me joining? 18:59:25 <CaptObvious> OpenTTD.exe -D > "C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\OpenTTD.log" 2>&1 18:59:29 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7041 /branches/utf8/string.c: [utf8] -Codechange: In str_validate() avoid memory allocation and reencoding of the string. Now we just decode as we go along and copy the already encoded chracters. 18:59:37 <CaptObvious> but the line it actually executes is: 19:00:07 <CaptObvious> C:\Program Files\OpenTTD>OpenTTD.exe -D 1>"C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\OpenTTD.log" 2>&1 19:00:29 <CaptObvious> where'd that "1" come from? 19:01:16 <glx> 1> is the same as > 19:01:38 <glx> 1> is stdout, 2> is stderr 19:01:56 <CaptObvious> but yeah, it says it's in use by another process 19:02:01 <CaptObvious> when in actual fact, it doesn't exist 19:03:14 <glx> are you sure there are no process reading OpenTTD.log 19:03:19 <CaptObvious> I'm 100% sure 19:03:33 <CaptObvious> the only things open are services.msc and cmd 19:03:42 <CaptObvious> and the openttd service is stopped 19:04:00 <glx> check in task manager 19:04:17 <Tron> peter1138: 19:04:19 <Tron> void f(const char** a, const char* b) { *a = b; } 19:04:20 <Tron> void g(char** x, const char* y) 19:04:20 <Tron> { 19:04:20 <Tron> *x = y; // obviously not ok 19:04:20 <Tron> f(x, y); // excercise for the reader 19:04:20 <Tron> } 19:05:15 <CaptObvious> got it working 19:05:30 <CaptObvious> just put the log file in the OpenTTD folder and put a shortcut on the desktop 19:05:37 <CaptObvious> now to see if it works via service 19:06:29 <CaptObvious> it does, but 19:06:29 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:31 <CaptObvious> now I'm getting: 19:07:03 <CaptObvious> ah 19:07:10 <CaptObvious> there was another instance running and it went rogue 19:07:34 <CaptObvious> killed it and now it works perfectly :) 19:07:45 <Celestar_> Tron: ? 19:07:57 <Tron> [18:54:12] <Celestar_> may Tron knows a reason 19:08:07 <peter1138> char ** -> const char ** 19:08:12 <peter1138> ah well 19:08:13 <Celestar_> yeah 19:08:20 *** Twinsen__ [user@86.124.4.122] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 19:08:21 <Celestar_> got that part :) 19:08:47 <CaptObvious> hmm 19:08:50 <Tron> f() itself is obviously perfectly legal 19:08:58 <CaptObvious> when I stop the service it doesn't stop the OpenTTD server 19:09:18 <Tron> while *x = y; is an error, because you would assign a const char* to a char* 19:09:22 <CaptObvious> weird - but the main reason I have it as a service is just in case I need to reboot the server, so it's not a problem 19:09:43 *** xyz [ss@bas2-montreal02-1096684082.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 19:09:49 <Tron> but passing x as first parameter to f() would turn exactly this into a legal operation 19:09:56 <Tron> therefore the call cannot be legal 19:09:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 19:10:02 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.17] has joined #openttd 19:10:04 <glx> CaptObvious: to have it restarting on server boot? 19:10:14 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.148.17] has joined #openttd 19:10:32 <peter1138> Tron: we're turning a char ** to a const char **, which it doesn't like because the pointers are a different type 19:10:42 <CaptObvious> glx: yes 19:10:49 <CaptObvious> without having to have a user logged in 19:11:12 <CaptObvious> I don't always have a console user logged in 19:11:17 <Tron> peter1138: i just explained why it doesn't like it 19:12:15 <peter1138> oh 19:12:32 <Tron> a const char** 19:12:46 <Tron> is a pointer to a pointer to a const char 19:13:04 <Tron> therefore you can store the address of a pointer to const char in it 19:13:15 <peter1138> yes 19:13:24 <Tron> if you could legally turn a char** to a const char** 19:13:47 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:47 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.148.17] has quit [] 19:14:03 <Tron> then you could store the address of pointer to const char in a pointer variable to pointer to a non-const char 19:14:40 <Tron> if you now derefernce the pointer to a pointer to a non-const char you get a pointer to a non-const char 19:15:01 <Tron> and this way you would have removed the const from the original pointer to a const char 19:15:19 <Tron> const char* a; 19:15:23 <CaptObvious> okay, my server's up and running now :) 19:15:30 <Tron> const char** b = &a; // legal 19:15:39 <CaptObvious> when the game ends, like when it reaches the end date, will it just restart automatically? 19:15:47 <Tron> char** c = b; // assume this was legal 19:16:00 <Tron> char* d = *c; // legal 19:16:07 <Tron> d[0] = 'X'; 19:16:50 <Tron> now you just overwrote the char where a is pointing at 19:17:56 <CaptObvious> I'd love to be able to write a web interface for the server - so you can send console messages and read logs and statuses from a web page 19:18:09 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:29 <CaptObvious> but I lack the patience and the time 19:18:42 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:12 <Tron> still unclear? 19:20:45 <Celestar_> this DVD collection is cool 19:24:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:27:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-207-1.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:28:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:42 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-252-95.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:29:58 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 19:32:28 <peter1138> no 19:33:32 <Tron> good 19:35:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:11 <CaptObvious> can an external application make calls to the server to get information on the game in progress? 19:42:33 <Sacro> yes 19:42:41 <CaptObvious> or would I have to packet sniff it and emulate a spectating client? :P 19:43:04 <Sacro> ooh, now thats a clever idea 19:43:22 <Sacro> though you could just get openttd to output to a nice xml like format 19:43:30 <Celestar_> CaptObvious: what do you want to do? 19:43:37 <CaptObvious> I emulated a game client for half life 2 19:43:48 <CaptObvious> to give information about the current game out into an IRC channel 19:43:57 <CaptObvious> frags/players on server/current map etc 19:44:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host13-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 19:44:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host13-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:44:16 <CaptObvious> Celestar: fetch detailed game information and put it on a web frontend 19:44:30 <CaptObvious> I'm going to apply that patch to my server that makes games take ages 19:44:37 <Sacro> :D 19:44:41 <Sacro> DAYLENGTH PATCH :D 19:44:44 <Celestar_> CaptObvious: code such a thing :) 19:44:52 <CaptObvious> I can't code in the client 19:44:55 <CaptObvious> but I can do the web end 19:45:04 * Wolf01 is really stupid 19:45:05 <CaptObvious> so if I can get info from the server easily, that's fine 19:45:13 <Sacro> Wolf01: and italian? we know :p 19:45:17 <CaptObvious> if not, I'm gonna have to start packet sniffing 19:45:54 <CaptObvious> there is an advantage to being able to pretend it's a spectator 19:45:57 <Celestar_> CaptObvious: there is no need to packet-sniff 19:46:04 <CaptObvious> the web app could then send rcon commands 19:46:12 <Celestar_> in an Open source object 19:46:24 <CaptObvious> Celestar: how many more times? I don't know the language. 19:46:28 <CaptObvious> I can't read the code 19:46:41 <Celestar_> learn it :) 19:46:49 <CaptObvious> it'd be easier for me to packet sniff than try and work it out from the source 19:47:03 <CaptObvious> I can't imagine the protocol would be very hard 19:47:27 <Celestar_> it isn't, and it is well documented on the wiki afaik 19:48:18 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 19:49:05 <Celestar_> but I am not sure what kind of information you want to extract from it 19:49:13 <Celestar_> it only sends commands basically 19:49:45 <Sacro> i think its only a diff... unless you request the full game 19:49:50 <Sacro> and you'd have to keep track 19:49:57 <Celestar_> the in-game console might give you more information, CaptObvious 19:53:08 <CaptObvious> brb in windows 19:53:39 *** CaptObvious [~CaptObvio@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting!] 19:56:43 <DarkSSH> Celestar_: I'm almost finished with going through flyspray and then I'll present a list of todo's and conditionals 19:57:07 <Celestar_> ok 19:57:48 <Born_Acorn> You are going through all of flyspray? :o 20:00:31 *** CaptObvious [~matt@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:02:16 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:02:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:02:29 <DarkSSH> Born_Acorn: yes 20:02:35 <Sacro> :o Bjarni 20:02:35 <DarkSSH> well, the bug report parts 20:02:35 <Born_Acorn> :O 20:02:36 <peter1138> hmm 20:03:45 <Bjarni> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=28164 <-- what to say to this guy.... having a mac, that's unable to handle dmg files is like having windows, that's unable to handle zip files 20:03:55 *** egladil [~egladil@193.11.242.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:06:32 <ln-> Bjarni: like having windows 2000? 20:07:10 <Bjarni> all freeware/shareware tend to be distributed in dmg files, so why should we change that for this guy? 20:07:27 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3E436.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:38 <Bjarni> also he appears to be inpatient, not leaving me time to do real life stuff :/ 20:08:28 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:08:33 <ln-> indeed, .zip does not seem to be the Mac way of distributing software. 20:09:01 <Bjarni> Apple themselves use dmg files since they should work for everybody 20:09:17 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FF2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:14 <ln-> this guy should find at least one other system where the dmg fails to mount... before that, it's not worth changing distribution methods because something doesn't work for one user in the world because of his broken system. 20:13:01 <CaptObvious> yeah, his system is broken 20:13:08 <CaptObvious> and he should really upgrade 20:13:11 <CaptObvious> 10.2? 20:13:36 <Sacro> there isnt a 10.2 is there? 20:13:47 <CaptObvious> yes 20:14:05 <CaptObvious> there was a 10.0, a 10.1, a 10.2, a 10.3, 10.4 is current and 10.5 is being released early next year 20:14:25 <CaptObvious> I think it's on 10.4.9 at the moment 20:14:29 <CaptObvious> but don't quote me on that 20:14:39 <Sacro> i have 10.4.7 here, and the 10.4.8 amd update 20:16:56 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7042 /branches/utf8/misc_gui.c: 20:16:56 <CIA-1> [utf8] -Codechange: avoid temporarily allocating memory to decode and recode 20:16:56 <CIA-1> strings when deleting a character from textbuffer. We now skip the appropriate 20:16:56 <CIA-1> number of characters in the utf8 string, decode only the character that's being 20:16:56 <CIA-1> deleted and then move the rest of the already encoded data. Handling backspace 20:16:57 <CIA-1> is now handled in DelChar() too, as it saves on another decode loop. 20:17:00 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 20:17:01 <peter1138> essay 20:17:23 <Celestar_> hr hr 20:17:43 <Bjarni> o_O 20:17:52 * Bjarni just spotted a ghost 20:18:31 <Bjarni> <CaptObvious> I think it's on 10.4.9 at the moment <-- actually, it's 10.4.8 20:19:36 <ln-> bjarni, have you tried ctrl+scrollwheel? 20:19:38 <Bjarni> 10.2.8 is rather old and I saw Apple's own numbers for how many people still use it. I think it was less than 5% of all mac users 20:19:57 <Bjarni> ln-: no, my scrollwheel broke the other day :( 20:20:21 <ln-> sad, you need to take it to a vet. 20:20:28 <Bjarni> it's still under warranty though, so I just have to find time to show up in the shop to get a replacement/get it fixed for free 20:20:48 <Bjarni> I can scroll down, but not up o_O 20:21:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:39 <Bjarni> I always thought it was a sensor connected to a counter and that it could count both ways, not one counter for each way 20:21:48 <Celestar_> lol 20:21:50 <CaptObvious> I just spent ages hunting round my room for my visual studio DVD 20:21:53 <CaptObvious> guess where it was? 20:22:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 20:22:12 <Bjarni> in the drive? 20:22:14 <smeding> on your desk? 20:22:16 <CaptObvious> on my desk. 20:22:20 * smeding wins 20:22:31 * CaptObvious gives smeding a cookie 20:22:35 <smeding> :o 20:22:37 <smeding> e-cookie! 20:22:50 <smeding> a lot better than e-coli :> 20:23:02 <Bjarni> smeding: you were not supposed to hijack CaptObvious' webcam 20:23:05 <Bjarni> that's cheating 20:23:12 <smeding> :o 20:23:14 <smeding> i guessed 20:23:20 <smeding> because everything is always on my desk when i need it 20:23:22 <Bjarni> <smeding> a lot better than e-coli :> <-- ROFL 20:23:26 <smeding> well, one of the two 20:23:52 <smeding> soldering iron? electronics desk. computer? computer desk. multimeter? electronics desk. 20:23:55 <Bjarni> but it would have been even funnier if it was in the drive 20:23:55 <smeding> etc. 20:24:35 <Bjarni> you know, people actually go look for disks/CDs, that's in their drives o_O 20:25:27 * Bjarni imagines that CaptObvious's desk is covered with piles of... unidentified stuff 20:26:26 <Sacro> hmm 20:26:35 <CaptObvious> I can hear when there's a disc in the drive 20:26:38 <CaptObvious> it's a slot-load 20:26:46 <Sacro> i have laptop + speakers, phone, ubuntu disc, spindle, mp3 player, and various bits of uni stuff 20:28:25 <Bjarni> <smeding> [...] computer? computer desk <-- I really hope that you can find your computer all the time, specially if it is a desktop :D 20:28:36 <Bjarni> otherwise you can try to ping it 20:28:45 * Bjarni just got an idea 20:29:23 <Bjarni> if you lose a computer, you can just remotely log into it, turn the volume up to max and make it play a certain audio file continuously 20:29:52 <CIA-1> maedhros * r7043 /branches/newhouses/newgrf_house.c: [NewHouses] -Fix: Both ground sprites and building sprites are allowed to be empty, so if they are, don't attempt to draw them. 20:31:27 <Sacro> Bjarni: like that guy who lost his pc, he could ping it... and access it... just not find it 20:32:10 <Bjarni> yeah 20:32:15 <Bjarni> he should have done that 20:32:45 <Bjarni> and then complain that his neighbour starts to play loud music :P 20:36:41 <Celestar_> hm 20:37:04 <smeding> hm 20:37:07 <Celestar_> DarkSSH: you gonna compile a list of what needs to be done, and place it somewhere accessible 20:37:13 <smeding> jinx! 20:37:27 <smeding> also, i'm bored and lonely and in need of money 20:37:35 <smeding> but the latter is usual 20:37:53 <Bjarni> needing money and being jinxed is not a good combo :P 20:37:59 <smeding> the other two as well, but less :/ 20:38:11 <smeding> Bjarni: hmm? 20:41:12 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 20:43:07 <DarkSSH> Celestar_: yes; almost done...doing patches section now 20:47:52 <CaptObvious> woah 20:48:01 <CaptObvious> šA major fault just occured in the gameš 20:50:27 <Sacro> "Windows had to be shut down"? 20:54:15 <CaptObvious> no 20:54:19 <CaptObvious> it was an openttd error 20:54:43 <DarkSSH> ok 20:55:06 <DarkSSH> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/openttd/0.5.0_todo.txt 20:55:12 <DarkSSH> Celestar_: ^ 20:58:49 <CaptObvious> wow, that protocol isn't as easy to understand as I thought it'd be 20:59:33 <Bjarni> - [Build vehicle GUI] remove filters [FS367] <-- I'm still not sure they should be removed. I would actually prefer them to be moved to the top and changed to "planes/helicopters" for aircraft and "engines/wagons" for railroads. The latter will make the code somewhat simpler 20:59:48 <Born_Acorn> - [365] Blimp Stuck at airport (NewGRF or airport?) <-- Any plane travelling under 80mph on an airport gets stuck. 21:00:00 <Born_Acorn> even the originals, if you can make them. 21:00:05 <peter1138> which airport? heh 21:00:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:31 <Bjarni> alternatively, I could make the window larger, kind of like the autoreplace window, so there is a scrollbar for engines and one for wagons 21:00:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 21:00:47 <Born_Acorn> They solved it in TTDPatch by stopping air vehicles going beneath 80 at all 21:02:53 <peter1138> i've got a better patch :D 21:03:02 <Born_Acorn> peter1138 has a better patch 21:03:06 <DarkSSH> glx: you forgot fontcache.h for VS2005 21:03:11 <Born_Acorn> My sources are reliable. 21:05:33 <CaptObvious> it'd be nice if you could send raw data to a server, providing arguments like "COMPANY1_CURRENTBALANCE" and it'd return "21578142" if company one's bank balance is ,578,142 21:05:58 <CaptObvious> so open a TCP connection to port 3980 and send that and it returns the data and disconnects 21:06:19 <CaptObvious> if y'all get what I mean 21:06:35 <Bjarni> I don't 21:07:23 <CaptObvious> does anybody get what I mean? if so, can they translate it into programmer-talk? 21:07:49 * DarkSSH gets it :) 21:08:02 <DarkSSH> but it's not so hard to use the current framework 21:08:17 <CaptObvious> there's a current framework for fetching info like that remotely? 21:08:39 <DarkSSH> of course 21:08:40 <Celestar_> I think not that there is such a framework 21:09:05 <glx> CaptObvious: how do you think network-connection window is filled ? 21:09:07 <DarkSSH> DEF_SERVER_SEND_COMMAND(PACKET_SERVER_COMPANY_INFO) 21:09:15 <Celestar_> ah :) 21:09:43 <DarkSSH> or 21:09:45 <DarkSSH> DEF_SERVER_SEND_COMMAND_PARAM(PACKET_SERVER_CLIENT_INFO) 21:09:49 <DarkSSH> but that gets client information 21:09:53 <CaptObvious> hmm 21:10:00 <CaptObvious> and that's used how? 21:11:21 <Celestar_> hm you could emulate that command 21:11:32 <CaptObvious> I'd probably need to packet-sniff it being done 21:11:36 <DarkSSH> http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/masterserver/udp.cpp 21:11:52 <CaptObvious> I don't know C 21:12:32 <DarkSSH> http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/website/includes/openttd.inc.php?format=txt 21:12:47 <DarkSSH> anything else? 21:13:04 <CaptObvious> PHP I can semi-read 21:13:06 <CaptObvious> ty :) 21:14:31 <hylje> libopenttd :p 21:14:33 <DarkSSH> you basically set up connection, send UDP data and wait for reply 21:14:44 <CaptObvious> yeah, is there a list of the arguments you can send? 21:15:12 <DarkSSH> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Network_Protocol 21:15:46 <CaptObvious> perfect, thanks 21:15:55 <DarkSSH> < shower 21:16:21 <Celestar_> < sleep 21:16:22 <Celestar_> bbl 21:16:24 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.64.29] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:16:27 <DarkSSH> how dare you 21:16:31 * DarkSSH slaps Celestar 21:16:33 <DarkSSH> bitch 21:19:40 <Born_Acorn> Sleep is for the weak 21:19:43 <Born_Acorn> (and the tired) 21:20:12 <CIA-1> glx * r7044 /branches/utf8/openttd_vs80.vcproj: [utf8] -Fix: add missing .h in VS80 project file 21:21:14 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 21:25:52 <CIA-1> glx * r7045 /branches/MiniIN/ai/default/default.c: [MiniIN] [Additional Orders] -Fix: AI didn't set order.percentefill to 100% when setting its order to full load (mart3p) 21:32:34 <ln-> do i want a widescreen or regular TFT? 21:32:36 <ln-> screen 21:34:29 <ln-> "Today, Microsoft entered into a deal with Novell to distribute SuSe Linux, a version of the Linux software. Under the arrangement, both companies will promote the ability of computers to run Windows OS and SuSe Linux." 21:35:15 <DarkSSH> it's not April first yet 21:35:18 <peter1138> *sigh* 21:35:22 <peter1138> damn you dv 21:35:26 <peter1138> i'm still at work 21:35:30 <peter1138> working on these utf8 changes 21:35:31 <peter1138> :/ 21:36:04 * DarkSSH hereby says all utf8 problems are solved 21:36:08 <DarkSSH> you can go to sleep :) 21:36:10 <peter1138> lies 21:38:07 <DarkSSH> hehe, mr thinks he can fix the num_sprites problem 21:38:09 <DarkSSH> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=513928#513928 21:38:44 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2EA9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:38:58 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-244.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:39:26 <peter1138> lol 21:39:28 <peter1138> "uncompile" 21:39:41 <glx> and it's not the same problem :) 21:41:56 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:42:11 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:43:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:43:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:43:59 <Brianetta> http://craphound.com/images/pacmancharthumor.jpg 21:44:17 <hylje> :> 21:45:42 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2E609.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:57 <Sacro> Brianetta: hehe 21:48:17 <Brianetta> It's funny 21:48:22 <Sacro> that it is 21:48:33 <smeding> it's funny the first few times. :> 21:48:34 <smeding> also, hi. 21:55:05 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.64.29] has joined #openttd 21:55:11 <Celestar_> hmpf 21:55:24 <Celestar_> how do I teach a fucking windows XP Notebook to connect to a WPA2 encrypted WLAN? 21:55:33 <DarkSSH> cheat! 21:55:36 <DarkSSH> you're sleeping 21:55:44 <DarkSSH> Celestar_: you need to install a patch 21:55:45 <DarkSSH> hang on 21:55:48 <Celestar_> no I'm not 21:55:54 <Celestar_> I need to install a PATCH?! 21:56:15 <Celestar_> by M$? 21:56:45 <DarkSSH> yes 21:56:49 <DarkSSH> gaaay 21:56:51 <Celestar_> uh huh :S 21:56:58 <DarkSSH> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/WindowsXP-KB893357-v2-x86-ENU.exe 21:56:58 <Celestar_> is it me or is M$ getting crappier all the time? 21:57:12 <Celestar_> great but I cannot move that onto my windows partition at the moment 21:57:15 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:57:19 <Celestar_> will get back to you tomorrow 21:57:29 <DarkSSH> 22:13 < Celestar_> < sleep 21:57:29 <DarkSSH> 22:13 < Celestar_> bbl 21:57:29 <DarkSSH> 22:13 -!- Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.64.29] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:57:43 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:57:56 <Belugas_Gone> bye boyz 21:57:58 <Celestar_> I'm not tired somehow 21:58:03 <DarkSSH> :) 21:58:10 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:59:17 * Celestar_ wonders if anyone will run Vista in the first place 22:00:05 <CaptObvious> I will 22:00:13 <Celestar_> I will for sure not 22:00:17 <Celestar_> Nazi OS 22:00:28 <CaptObvious> I ran it for a while already 22:00:32 <Celestar_> neither will I run any WGA crap 22:00:35 <CaptObvious> but ditched it because of no opengl support yet 22:00:45 <Celestar_> or DRM crap 22:00:56 <DarkSSH> cool it Celestar_ :) 22:01:07 * DarkSSH recommends Celestar_ to buy a vista and then ritually burn it 22:01:28 <Celestar_> waste of a good match 22:01:42 <ln-> there's an alternative now; a linux distribution distributed by Microsoft. 22:01:56 <Celestar_> ? 22:02:30 <ln-> 23:34 < ln-> "Today, Microsoft entered into a deal with Novell to distribute SuSe Linux, a version of the Linux software. Under the arrangement, both companies will promote the ability of computers to run Windows OS and SuSe Linux." 22:02:50 <ln-> (see e.g. slashdot) 22:02:52 <Celestar_> "a version of the linux software" ... uh huh 22:04:34 <Celestar_> I wonder what that should help 22:04:58 *** CaptObvious [~matt@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 22:05:09 <Sacro> heh... that timing amuses me 22:05:30 <Celestar_> ? 22:06:01 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-155-85.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 22:09:17 <DarkSSH> gaaah 22:09:26 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:09:30 <DarkSSH> 2cc window crashes with airplane tab for some reason... 22:09:42 <DarkSSH> oh wait...that's my local modifications :O 22:10:49 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:31 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:05 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 22:19:01 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:31 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6636.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:16 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FFDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:05 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-252-95.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: good night] 22:36:58 *** DiMarcello [~chatzilla@ip54570021.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 22:37:18 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:39:34 <Wolf01> gn 22:39:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host13-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:56:07 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 22:58:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:27 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:13:27 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.64.29] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:29:44 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-173-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:27 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.243] has joined #openttd 23:51:17 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7046 /trunk/order_gui.c: 23:51:17 <CIA-1> -Fix [FS#311]: 'Goto' button in orders window got depressed along with all other 23:51:17 <CIA-1> buttons when an existing order was modified (GrimRC) 23:58:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß]