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00:02:56 *** Szandor [~2@host86-140-143-187.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 00:05:01 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:31 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 00:10:52 *** Sacro_ [Ben@83.100.248.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:13 *** CaptObvious [~CaptObvio@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:11:22 <CaptObvious> http://images.captobvio.us/main.php?g2_itemId=4174 :D 00:20:38 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:59 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498DAE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:47 *** Sacro [~ben@213.249.248.36] has joined #openttd 00:31:55 *** Sacro [~ben@213.249.248.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:14 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 00:54:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:58:18 *** 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01:57:23 <Ailure> I'm a such maniac 01:57:41 * PandaMojo wonders if you can flood your competitors railways in multiplayer 01:57:43 <Ailure> and of course I will make a savegame out of it too 01:57:48 <Ailure> and yes you can 01:57:51 <Ailure> I learned that the bad way 01:57:52 <Ailure> D: 01:57:54 <PandaMojo> lol 01:58:36 <PandaMojo> useful if someone builds a level-0, dist-1 signal line I guess :P 01:59:30 <Ailure> 100 helicopters 01:59:35 <Ailure> circling around a small airport 01:59:39 <Ailure> is actually quite amusing to watch 01:59:42 <Ailure> well 01:59:44 <Ailure> another amusing thing 01:59:54 <Ailure> would be global warming scenario D: 02:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> solution: build sea level canals around your sea level tracks 02:00:05 <Ailure> shame that ocean can't rise 02:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> or purchase the slopes around it 02:02:03 <Ailure> for some reason 02:02:11 <Ailure> four helicopters didn't crash immediatly 02:02:15 <Ailure> and they slowly crash one by one 02:02:21 <Ailure> It's amusing 02:02:24 <Ailure> how the rotors keeps rotating 02:02:28 <Ailure> when helicopters "crash" 02:02:31 <Ailure> since they don't usually crash 02:02:41 <Ailure> and they actually float above water 02:05:01 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.243/St.%20Chindean%20Transport,%2016th%20May%201961.png 02:05:16 <Ailure> the sound of 100 helicopters crashing at once 02:05:18 <Ailure> isn't pleasant xD 02:06:44 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.243/St.%20Chindean%20Transport,%2020th%20Jun%201961.png 02:06:55 <Ailure> and for some reason 02:06:58 <Ailure> four helicopters survives 02:07:28 <Ailure> ah I see how it works 02:07:33 <Ailure> thoose four aren't having a "breakdown" 02:07:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have some twisted mind... 02:07:44 <PandaMojo> lol 02:07:51 <Ailure> so a aircraft needs both to be in a breakdown status and invalid orders 02:08:08 <Ailure> It's amusing seeing them on the ground 02:08:12 <Ailure> with their rotors still spinning 02:09:17 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 02:09:33 <Ailure> I assume that disaster was implented 02:09:40 <Ailure> so aircraft wouldn't get stuck at position 0,0 02:09:41 <lolman> Ello :) 02:09:51 <Ailure> but ironically, if you try to pull of this disasters with other companies around 02:09:52 * lolman is mining on EVE with a friend :P 02:10:11 <Ailure> the aircraft might actually freeze above a competitors station 02:10:14 <Ailure> instead of crashing 02:10:27 <Ailure> which actually looks funny 02:11:17 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.243/Felinian%20Transports,%2012th%20Dec%202061.png 02:11:26 <Ailure> gotta be the funniest bug 02:11:31 <Ailure> it says 154 km/h 02:11:35 <Ailure> but it should be 0 km/h 02:11:38 <Ailure> it's not moving at all 02:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> there was something about aircraft cannot go slower than 80mph 02:12:46 <Ailure> ah well 02:12:51 <Ailure> it's not moving at all here 02:12:59 <Ailure> maybe it thinks it's moving 154 km/h though 02:13:26 <Ailure> I have no idea how station works internally 02:13:36 <Ailure> but I guess it confused the airport that was removed 02:13:39 <Ailure> with that station somehow 02:13:43 <Ailure> and therfore is stuck there 02:13:50 <Ailure> it moves if you give it some other order I belive 02:14:25 <Ailure> heh 02:14:29 <Ailure> it starts moving if I add a heliport 02:20:45 <lolman> !seen sacro 02:20:46 <_42_> lolman, if you can't see sacro here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 02:20:51 <lolman> :o 02:21:36 <Sacro> lolman: your up late 02:21:42 <lolman> Sacro: EVE-Online 02:21:43 <lolman> lol 02:21:47 <Sacro> ahh 02:21:56 <Sacro> i downloaded LFS, rFactor and NetKar Pro 02:21:56 <lolman> I'm mining with a RL frien 02:21:57 <lolman> d 02:22:08 <lolman> Sacro: LFS is teh bestest out of them 02:22:13 <Sacro> hmm... 02:22:17 <Sacro> i still love GTR2 02:22:21 <Sacro> and i got GTL going too 02:22:23 <lolman> lol 02:22:31 <Sacro> mini racing ftw 02:22:45 <lolman> UF1 FTW 02:22:59 <Sacro> i need an lfs unlock code 02:23:28 <lolman> You need to pay "24 if you wanna play online 02:23:41 <lolman> And if you cracked it to play offline I'd personally kill you ;-) 02:23:55 <Sacro> "24? 02:23:57 <lolman> £24* 02:24:01 <Sacro> there is no crack 02:24:45 <lolman> Exactly, that's why I said if YOU cracked it :P 02:31:15 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75879.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:41 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76B97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:24 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 02:42:48 <bulio|> whats the max speed a mineral car can go? 02:42:53 <bulio|> cause my train can go 180km/h, but the mineral vans only go 71KM/h, making the train slow 02:43:11 <CaptObvious> I should probably play some OpenTTD again soon 02:43:15 <CaptObvious> I go through phases 02:43:34 <CaptObvious> I'll play it non-stop for a few days or a week and think about nothing 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has joined #openttd 07:58:24 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 08:06:26 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:42 <peter1138> DaleStan: http://fuzzle.org/o/utf8text.diff look right to you? 08:12:45 *** Neonox [~Neonox@offb-590eb870.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 08:14:54 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 08:15:52 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:17:03 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DACA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:17:47 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28:34 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-087-94-050-217.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:31:54 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 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seconds] 09:11:15 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:27 <DaleStan> peter1138: Looks fine to me. Being me, I might say "str += 2;", since the only valid UTF-8 encoding of U+00DE is 2 bytes, but that might violate the coding conventions. 09:23:31 <DaleStan> (That is, "str += 2;" instead of "str += len;", in case that wasn't clear.) 09:23:53 <peter1138> it was 09:24:01 <peter1138> however 09:24:17 <peter1138> it is against conventions 09:24:47 <peter1138> that code just needs to know it is utf8, not how utf8 is implemented 09:35:24 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 09:56:50 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: newcoastsprites! 09:57:05 * peter1138 kicks CIA-1 09:57:23 <CIA-1> ow 10:00:59 <hylje> this particular cia bot serves also the wine project 10:05:37 <peter1138> is wine busy? 10:13:35 <hylje> kinda 10:21:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:26:32 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:32:48 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:32:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:35:10 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-57-82-249-25-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 10:46:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CC1B.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 10:53:24 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:58:54 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-0969.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:59:29 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 10:59:29 <Born_Acorn> !logs 11:06:54 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6336.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:00 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:32 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:08:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 11:09:49 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:02 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 11:21:27 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:28:38 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 11:43:19 <peter1138> hmm 11:43:22 <peter1138> transparent ottd 11:43:25 <peter1138> how useful 11:45:17 <roboboy> gnight 11:45:22 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 11:48:34 <Nigel> peter1138, heh 11:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you want to watch TV in the background? :p 11:49:30 <Nigel> lol 11:50:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you mute it, and alt+tab out of it, you need some kind of indication when the commercial break is over... 12:00:28 <peter1138> heh 12:04:54 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 12:09:22 *** Nigel [~Nigel@125-238-64-172.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:09:38 *** Nigel [~Nigel@125-238-64-172.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:12:39 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/0000000000]] 12:26:55 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:24 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-0969.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: cya] 12:31:25 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:53 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:47:57 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-234-17.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:59:23 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 13:17:53 *** Sacro [~Ben@213.249.248.36] has joined #openttd 13:22:40 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77B43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:19 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:25:41 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75879.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:20 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:26:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 13:28:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:46:45 <Maedhros> hmm. my gradual loading patch seems to fix bug #251 13:47:02 <Maedhros> i'll see if i can shrink it so it just fixes the bug... 13:48:38 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2AFK 13:50:18 *** webfreakz is now known as webfreakz|aw4y 13:55:42 *** NewSense [lisa@bowzzer.com] has joined #openttd 13:58:01 <Sacro> hi NewSense 13:58:24 <Bjarni> hey Sacro is in luck 13:58:28 <Bjarni> he found NewSense 13:58:36 <Bjarni> which totally beats no sense 13:58:38 <NewSense> hi 13:58:40 <Bjarni> :P 13:58:47 <Sacro> Bjarni: whats that supposed to mean? 13:58:59 <Bjarni> that's my point 13:59:06 <NewSense> oh, this channel is about a game? 13:59:08 <Sacro> i hope the sea levels rise... 13:59:24 <Sacro> NewSense: its more than a game... 13:59:26 <Bjarni> NewSense: that's the idea 13:59:35 <Bjarni> but it's not just any game 13:59:38 <NewSense> ok, have a good day you all! 13:59:42 *** NewSense [lisa@bowzzer.com] has left #openttd [] 13:59:43 <Sacro> theres quite a bit of netherlandian bashing :p 14:00:15 <peter1138> Bjarni, do you always give women that reaction? 14:00:20 <Rubidium> Sacro: huh? 14:00:38 <Bjarni> peter1138: ? 14:00:58 <Bjarni> are you claiming that Sacro is a woman??? 14:01:21 <Bjarni> Sacro is that... thing from Hull claiming to chase women 14:01:24 <Bjarni> hmm 14:01:30 <peter1138> no, newsense 14:01:44 <Bjarni> that would actually not rule out the option of Sacro being a woman based on that description :P 14:01:52 <Maedhros> http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/fix-FS%23251-r7325.diff 14:01:52 <Bjarni> NewSense was a woman? 14:01:59 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah... 14:02:06 <Sacro> well, the username was "lisa" 14:02:06 <Bjarni> >_< 14:02:19 <Bjarni> oh yeah 14:02:26 <Bjarni> skipped reading that 14:02:42 <Bjarni> anyway lisa on IRC means 40 year old fat male 14:03:05 <peter1138> Maedhros: does that fit in with gradual loading? 14:03:26 <Sacro> where did my msn go :s 14:06:00 <Maedhros> peter1138: yeah - it's the part that stops cargo getting unloaded again after being loaded the first time 14:06:14 <peter1138> i want gradual loading :D 14:06:30 <peter1138> (as long as it's disableableableable i guess) 14:07:07 <Maedhros> http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/gradual_loading-r7325.diff - fully disableable :) 14:07:36 <Born_Acorn> What we need now is Maedhros made diagonal road crossings! Yes! :p 14:08:10 <peter1138> Maedhros: in newgrf.c there are some comments to remove :) 14:08:15 <peter1138> like "TODO" 14:08:50 <Maedhros> hehe, oops 14:10:30 <Rubidium> Maedhros: about your last diff, you have to update the starting version of gradual_loading in settings.c 14:10:58 <peter1138> heh, yeah 14:12:32 <peter1138> and then commit : 14:12:53 <peter1138> actually 14:12:55 <peter1138> the LoadStatus enum 14:12:59 <peter1138> does it need values? 14:13:10 <Rubidium> and there is one whitespace issue in newgrf_callbacks 14:13:32 <peter1138> if the value is irrelevent, leave it off 14:14:00 <Maedhros> ok, fixing :) 14:15:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: It must have been an impersonator. puh. tokai impersonators... the universe is going to hell. hahaha.] 14:15:56 *** Sacro [~Ben@213.249.248.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:12 <Maedhros> updated (reload) 14:20:59 <peter1138> very obedient :) 14:21:16 <peter1138> i wonder where jez went 14:21:17 <Born_Acorn> Unlike jez. :p 14:21:18 <peter1138> he was fun 14:21:19 <Born_Acorn> :o 14:21:21 <Rubidium> Maedhros: where does the 30 of line 1471 of economy.c come from? Currently it looks like a magic value. 14:22:20 <Maedhros> Rubidium: it is a magic value - it's the time spent before loading the next chunk of cargo/passengers 14:22:41 <peter1138> it's the number of ticks 14:22:43 <peter1138> 30 being 1 second 14:22:51 <peter1138> (is that how gradual loading works on ttdp?) 14:23:10 <peter1138> hmm, i suppose it must be 14:23:40 <Maedhros> i don't know the actual value ttd uses (and i chose 30 arbitrarily really, just because it seemed to be reasonable) 14:23:46 <Maedhros> *ttdpatch 14:23:57 <peter1138> hmm 14:24:40 <Naksu> you might want to make a #define for that 14:24:54 <peter1138> no 14:25:08 <peter1138> magic defines don't solve anything 14:25:23 <Naksu> sure they do 14:25:24 <Naksu> :) 14:26:04 <peter1138> Maedhros: ttdpatch uses 20 14:26:15 <peter1138> except 14:26:31 <peter1138> and extra 20 tick delay before leaving 14:26:57 <peter1138> oh 14:27:00 <peter1138> actually i lied 14:27:08 <peter1138> i think it uses 5 14:27:13 <peter1138> but i'm not sue 14:27:18 <peter1138> *sure 14:27:24 <peter1138> DaleStan? :) 14:27:54 <Born_Acorn> DaleStan is the man for all TTDPatch enquiries. 14:29:33 <peter1138> movzx ebx, byte [esi+veh.class] 14:29:38 <peter1138> mov al, 5 14:29:46 <peter1138> mul byte [loadwaittime+ebx-0x10] 14:29:58 <peter1138> loadwaittime... hmm. 14:30:06 <peter1138> ebx-0x10... 14:30:32 <Maedhros> var loadwaittime, db 8,4,2,4 14:30:44 <Maedhros> unfortunately, that means nothing to me at all ;) 14:30:53 <peter1138> ahh 14:30:58 <peter1138> per vehicle type 14:31:03 <peter1138> ebx is vehicle train 14:31:05 <peter1138> train is 0x10 14:31:09 <peter1138> so ebx-0x10 14:31:29 <glx> 8 * 5 for train then 14:31:41 <peter1138> which is 40? hmm 14:31:54 <peter1138> i guess i preferred 30 ;) 14:31:59 *** Sacro [~Ben@213.249.248.36] has joined #openttd 14:32:22 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-6-63.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:32:30 <glx> so 40,20,10,20 depending on vehicule type 14:32:38 <peter1138> yeah 14:32:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N705P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:33:11 <peter1138> so then you get 4 magic values ;) 14:34:02 <Maedhros> hmm. do you want to emulate that, or is 30 ok? 14:34:30 <glx> it's not emulation, it's full support :) 14:34:33 <peter1138> it would be better to 14:34:47 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N776P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:35:02 <peter1138> if we don't then sets may become unbalanced 14:35:18 <peter1138> mind you, no set replaces all types of vehicle, heh 14:35:24 <peter1138> pikka's getting close though 14:36:56 <Born_Acorn> heehee 14:37:10 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 14:37:10 <Sacro> !logs 14:38:23 * peter1138 plays alone on his ukrs server 14:38:25 <peter1138> ;( 14:38:53 <Bjarni> take a shower if you want people to join you 14:38:59 <Bjarni> and stop farting all the time 14:39:10 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, UK Roadset? 14:42:06 <peter1138> good point 14:42:32 <peter1138> ou est le set 14:43:17 <glx> peter1138: missing grfs on fuzzle.org :) 14:43:25 <peter1138> yeah, i'll fi 14:43:28 <peter1138> x 14:44:02 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: just add it client side, it doesn't matter on the server ;) 14:49:01 <Bjarni> hehe, looks like nobody joined due to missing grf files :P 14:50:31 <Maedhros> ok, how about this then: http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/gradual_loading-r7325.diff 14:51:21 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-6-63.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 14:52:10 <Sacro> peter1138: which revison? 14:52:32 <glx> 7321 14:54:07 <Rubidium> Maedhros: I would suggest to add one lines of comment to the gradual_loading_wait_time table stating where the values origin is from and I would do the multiplication already in the table, i.e. { 40, 20, 10, 20 } 14:54:54 <Rubidium> the rest looks OK 14:56:01 <peter1138> yeah 14:56:09 <peter1138> also 14:56:26 <peter1138> s/0x10/VEH_Train/ 14:57:42 <Maedhros> ok, done, done and done, and uploaded again 14:57:59 <peter1138> there is where we tell you we don't want it ;) 14:58:04 <peter1138> (except we do) 14:58:53 <Maedhros> hehe, well i want it at least, so i'd keep it just for me :-P 14:59:00 <Maedhros> hmm. actually uploaded, this time 15:01:25 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:45 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:06:46 <peter1138> ool 15:06:47 <peter1138> +c 15:06:51 <peter1138> so, commit? ;p 15:07:36 <Maedhros> sounds good to me :D 15:07:45 <glx> staticize gradual_loading_wait_time 15:07:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:07:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:12:47 <Maedhros> glx: static, or const (or both)? and if static, why? 15:13:56 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:52 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76FA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:21 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77B43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:03 <DarkSSHClone> 'ello 15:52:12 <DarkSSHClone> o_O 15:52:16 *** DarkSSHClone is now known as Darkvater 15:52:19 <Darkvater> 'ello :) 15:52:30 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:52:30 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 15:52:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 15:53:29 <Darkvater> the silent treatment, ey you guys are a nasty bunch 15:53:33 <Darkvater> very well then 15:53:37 <Darkvater> you asked for it 15:53:41 *** mode/#openttd [+m] by Darkvater 15:53:44 <Darkvater> ha! 15:54:25 *** mode/#openttd [-m] by Darkvater 15:56:57 * valhallasw slaps Darkvater 15:57:27 <valhallasw> tin.liacs.nl? tin.. tin... sounds like the shell server 15:58:20 <peter1138> hello mr vater 15:58:32 <Darkvater> ! 15:58:38 <Darkvater> I'm very upset and won't talk to any of you 16:00:41 <valhallasw> hey Darkvater 16:00:51 <valhallasw> you last checked your liacs mail Fri Dec 1 23:18 2006 (CET) 16:00:52 <valhallasw> >:) 16:01:05 <valhallasw> finger is nice. 16:01:16 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:50 <valhallasw> Darkvater: that dragonball list is scary. 16:02:22 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:04:11 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76B57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:57 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:07:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-225-59.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 16:07:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76FA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:20 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has joined #openttd 16:17:25 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-155-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:23:28 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-186-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:35 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 16:31:38 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:01 <Brianetta> Wow 16:35:17 <Brianetta> You can run interactive processes in an irssi window 16:35:22 <hylje> :D 16:35:32 <Brianetta> I think it's time autopilot was made as an irssi script (: 16:37:25 <hylje> perl or python? 16:43:11 <smeding> irssi \o/ 16:46:28 *** Cyorxamp [Cyorxamp@87.113.3.206.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:47:00 <Cyorxamp> Lo folks, is there a FAQ for why people may get slow download rates when loading maps (even when eventually getting in, immediately getting disconnected) 16:49:00 <hylje> lack of bandwidth 16:49:13 <Cyorxamp> bandwidth isn't the issue 16:55:06 <DaleStan> Something else consuming the bandwidth? 16:55:58 <Cyorxamp> I am not accustomed to repeating myself 16:56:42 <DaleStan> Well, I'm almost positive that Open doesn't throttle the outgoing connections. 16:56:47 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7326 /trunk/ (16 files in 3 dirs): -Feature: Add support for gradual (un)loading of vehicles (Maedhros) 16:57:06 <Cyorxamp> Well something is going on 16:57:26 <Cyorxamp> Some days it works fine, I can host and they can connect normally 16:57:57 <Cyorxamp> Other days its utter shit and it takes forever for them to connect and when they do (usually taking like 10mins to do so) they get disconnected 16:58:41 <DaleStan> Does it depend on time of day? weekday vs weekend? 16:58:52 <Cyorxamp> Not really noticed any pattern 16:59:33 <Cyorxamp> uploading/downloading speeds are fine with other things - checked for any limitations with my ISP and there are none - and ran a speed check... all fine 16:59:49 <Cyorxamp> You could try and connect yourself if you like 17:01:29 <Maedhros> woohoo! thanks peter1138, and Rubidium too for you help with it :) 17:15:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 17:15:35 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:48 * Cyorxamp taps on DaleStans forehead 17:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> how do you people judge the chances of an RC1 tomorrow? 17:18:11 <DaleStan> I believe you that there's a problem, but my network troubleshooting skills are basically limited to ping and traceroute. 17:18:38 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: well, could be better 17:19:39 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:20:46 <Sacro> oh noes 17:20:50 <lolman> Oh yes 17:21:35 * lolman declares Windows is good for 2 things 17:21:38 <lolman> EVE and LFS 17:22:09 <Sacro> ahh ive been playing GT Legends and GTR2 17:22:15 <lolman> lol 17:22:18 <lolman> Enjoying them? 17:22:24 <Bjarni> what is EVE and LFS? 17:22:29 <Bjarni> is it any fun? 17:22:42 <Bjarni> it has to be. It's a lolman activity :D 17:22:44 <lolman> EVE is EVE-Online, an MMORPG 17:22:51 <Bjarni> ahhh 17:22:57 <lolman> LFS is Live For Speed, an online racing sim 17:22:58 <Bjarni> something to avoid then 17:23:00 * Sacro points a nuke at netherland 17:23:00 <Bjarni> noted 17:23:30 * Bjarni notes that LFS should be avoided as well 17:23:37 <glx> Sacro: so you missed Bjarni :) 17:23:48 <Sacro> glx: oh yes :) 17:24:08 * lolman points one at Denmark 17:24:40 <Bjarni> well, with Sacro's sense of how the world looks like, he might as well hit Argentina 17:25:04 <lolman> lol 17:26:10 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:26:16 <Bjarni> I would say that was the expected reply 17:27:00 <lolman> Definitely 17:27:04 <Bjarni> also you never asked me why it's something to avoid 17:27:18 <Bjarni> so I leave no questions unanswered :D 17:27:21 <lolman> I don't need to ;-) 17:27:35 <Bjarni> lolman: why is it something to avoid? 17:27:47 <lolman> For me it isn't 17:28:23 <Bjarni> to me they sound like the WoW thing 17:28:45 <lolman> I have no idea how WoW works so I can't compare 17:29:12 <Bjarni> and you get fed up with WoW when you are supposed to work in groups at uni and 2 people from your 3 person group fails to show up because they spent all night playing WoW 17:29:33 <lolman> lol 17:29:38 <lolman> That must suck 17:29:56 <Bjarni> so I have decided only to play games where I can save at all time and return to that state when I get time, so I'm not pressed to continue even when I lack time 17:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> you had better worked together during the night, in WoW instead ;) 17:30:15 <Bjarni> well, I passed that class 17:31:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, if they play WoW, they may as well work there 17:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> and if that's the only place, where you can get 3 people together, why not? 17:35:57 *** Cyorxamp [Cyorxamp@87.113.3.206.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:16 <Bjarni> bbl 17:36:19 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43:35 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:03 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:54:06 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:55:16 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [] 18:21:38 <mikk36> lol 18:21:50 <mikk36> u guys know what they say about drinking and driving ? 18:22:16 <tokai> it keeps you young 18:22:27 <mikk36> http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/dont_drink_and_drive.jpg 18:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> lecker ;) 18:24:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> (roughly translates as: 'tasty' ;p) 18:25:46 <Sacro> mikk36: dont drink and drive, your more likely to spill? 18:26:11 <mikk36> ? 18:28:24 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> hey, can we do something to the graphic errors on (newgrf) level crossings? (objects like houses that are behind the bars are drawn on top of them, making the bar disappear) 18:38:24 <DaleStan> Eddi|zuHause3: Not without a lot of work. Level-crossing tiles are flat 18:38:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, they are flat allright, but a tile BEHIND the flat tile should not be drawn on top of it 18:39:38 <DaleStan> The tile isn't being drawn on top. What's *on* the tile is drawn on top. 18:40:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> that still makes no sense 18:40:51 <DaleStan> As far as TTD is concerned, the gates are painted on the ground, not sticking up into the air. 18:42:13 <DaleStan> In order to fix this, the level crossings would have to be split into three sprites: the tile proper, the front gates, and the rear gates, and the gate sprites would both have to have bounding boxes and all that fun stuff. 18:43:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> i still fail to see the reason, why something, that is clearly in front of something else (the crossing tile before the house tile) is drawn under it 18:43:57 <DaleStan> In front it may be, but it's also below. 18:44:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> imho, in front should be more important than above 18:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> otherwise houses can stick out into tiles in front of them 18:45:07 <DaleStan> And I believe they sometimes do. 18:47:04 <DaleStan> Changing the drawing order could easily wreak havok. I know that TTDPatch's new sprite sorter, as minimal as those changes were, can make or break some station sets. 18:57:23 <Rexxie> theres bound to be some linux peeps in here... how do I make a file with the current date as the filename? I tried "date +%F | touch" but that obviously didn't work :p 18:58:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> touch `date bla` 18:59:26 <Rexxie> merci 18:59:39 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0E11A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:15 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0D276.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:22 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:39:50 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 19:45:04 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:47:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:40 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B825F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:49:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:50:22 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:50:27 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:43 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:51:12 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 19:51:26 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:02:16 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 20:12:31 <peter1138> hello 20:16:11 <hylje> helo 20:21:36 <peter1138> KUDr: ping? 20:21:43 <KUDr> pong 20:22:21 <peter1138> do you know anything about our zooming bug? 20:22:30 <peter1138> i think your input queue (or something) changes introduced it 20:22:49 <peter1138> or more likely just revealed a problem elsewhere 20:23:16 <KUDr> hmm, does it have record in FS? 20:23:20 <peter1138> i think so 20:23:38 <peter1138> but i'm exempt from reporting on there ;p 20:23:53 <KUDr> so describe it please 20:24:02 <KUDr> i know nothing about it 20:24:05 <peter1138> ok 20:24:24 <peter1138> using the mouse wheel to zoom, if you zoom *really quickly* the centre of the zoom is wrong 20:24:39 <peter1138> it uses the top left corner of the viewport instead of the mouse pointer position 20:24:55 <KUDr> aha, it can be related to input queue. true 20:25:05 <peter1138> so if you successively zoom in and out quickly you'll end up at the top left edge of the map 20:25:17 <hylje> :o 20:25:22 <KUDr> i'll try it 20:26:31 <peter1138> i'm guessing before it would've just dropped the second mouse wheel event 20:26:56 <Zavior> When is newpbs coming :o 20:27:09 <hylje> magic pbs! 20:27:13 <KUDr> maybe, but now they should be processed in the same order as they arrive 20:27:16 <peter1138> when someone writes it 20:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> not anytime soon, i'm afraid 20:27:30 <peter1138> KUDr: hence suspecting it just highlights a problem elsewhere 20:27:45 <KUDr> maybe 20:27:52 <KUDr> i really dunno now 20:28:52 * peter1138 now gets 30+ channels instead of 5 20:28:57 <peter1138> tv channels 20:29:00 <peter1138> only problem is 20:29:04 <hylje> :o 20:29:13 <hylje> there's nothing worth watching? 20:29:18 <peter1138> a third of them are shopping channels 20:29:38 <peter1138> and the mpeg compression... urgh 20:30:11 <hylje> guess why they could offer that many channels! 20:30:37 <peter1138> and that's on a 21" tv 20:31:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have around 300 channels... 20:32:11 <Gonozal_VIII> 300? 20:32:14 *** Rens2AFK is now known as Rens2Sea 20:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> the result of the last channel scan has 241 FTA TV channels 20:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> and around the same number of FTA radio channels 20:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> and then the same amount of encrypted channels 20:33:47 <Gonozal_VIII> und wie viele davon sin auch in deutsch oder englisch, so dass mans versteht? 20:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> resulting in 857 entries in my channel list 20:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, there are a lot of localized duplicates, like "WDR Aachen", "WDR Bielefeld", "WDR Dortmund" etc. 20:35:33 <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. 20:35:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> all in all, probably around half of the channels are german 20:36:07 <Gonozal_VIII> wow 20:36:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you can count "JAMBA TV" or "USCHI TV" :p 20:36:55 <Gonozal_VIII> der klingeltonscheiß hat eigenen sender? O_o 20:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, 24/7 ringtone advertisements ;) 20:38:05 <Gonozal_VIII> genau das hat der welt immer gefehlt... 20:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> i watch about 5 channels regularly 20:40:22 *** wvx [~hgh@c-212-031-167-016.cust.thalamus.net] has quit [] 20:41:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B825F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83420.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:44:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:55:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:55:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:03:09 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:03:09 <glx> !logs 21:06:06 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76B57.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:10 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76B57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:10:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B757BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> my net is acting totally weird today 21:13:40 <SpComb> static electricty from plastic rulers, no doubt. Did you happen to have one on your desktop day? 21:13:42 <SpComb> *today 21:14:16 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76B57.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> hehe :p 21:14:31 <Bjarni> either that or my virus works 21:14:49 <Bjarni> err, the test subject should not read previous line :/ 21:15:12 <SpComb> erm, if your virus was worth it's name it should automatically filter lines like that out ^^ 21:15:41 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-087-94-050-217.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:16:21 * Bjarni adds that to the todo list 21:16:59 <Bjarni> but at least I got it hardcoded not to spread to me :D 21:17:20 <Bjarni> and I manage to infect Eddi|zuHause2 though IRC 21:17:28 <hylje> :o 21:17:31 <hylje> btw 21:17:43 <Bjarni> actually it was Eddi|zuHause3 21:18:02 <SpComb> when's openttd 2.1.4 coming out? 21:18:03 <Bjarni> but he is not here anymore :D 21:18:13 <Bjarni> SpComb: not this year 21:18:14 <hylje> feature request: simple way to manage shared orders 21:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> SpComb: right after DNF 1.0 21:18:26 <hylje> maybe a list which allows you to merge and modify them 21:18:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> or hell freezes over 21:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> depending what comes first 21:18:42 <SpComb> no, let the user enter them in as XML 21:18:56 <Bjarni> ok, let's be serious 21:19:02 <Bjarni> hylje is actually serious 21:19:07 <Bjarni> I think 21:19:10 <hylje> rather 21:19:11 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:18 *** Cyorxamp [Cyorxamp@87.113.3.206.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:19:24 <hylje> we had a train management-centric game over at coop 21:19:27 <SpComb> I seriously think my idea is horrible 21:19:36 <hylje> the blind spot which is order management hurted 21:19:43 <Bjarni> SpComb: then we agree on one thing 21:19:50 <SpComb> very seriously 21:19:54 <hylje> srsly 21:20:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem about such a feature is, making it powerful vs. making it usable and newbie-friendly 21:20:04 <SpComb> can I express more ideas that I seriously think are seriously stupid? 21:20:12 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: its primarily an advanced feature 21:20:21 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: so devs can get away with complex usage 21:20:38 <SpComb> xml should be complex enough 21:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, "advanced" really cries for console ;) 21:21:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> either that, or you have to put huge effort in drag-and-drop 21:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> to make it even remotely capable of inputing complex data by mouse 21:22:21 <Bjarni> hylje: let's try something new for a change. Try to write down a few lines on how you imagine it should work... in details, but from a user point of view. Forget about the code. Write down how you would prefer it should be controlled and then we got something to talk about 21:22:34 <hylje> sure 21:22:44 <Bjarni> other than "more advanced shared orders handling". It could mean lots of stuff ;) 21:23:03 <Bjarni> brb 21:23:03 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has joined #openttd 21:24:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i am imagining kind of a "timetable" view, where you have a list of orderlists, then a detailed view of the selected orderlist, and a list of trains, where you can assign a orderlist to a train 21:24:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> or a train to an orderlist 21:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you split up trains from orders, first you have to create an orderlist (independent from trains) 21:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> and when you build a train, you need to assign it to an orderlist 21:26:49 <hylje> a new orderlist is created automagically if you make a train 21:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, that would be bad 21:27:23 <hylje> would be a hassle if you needed to assign one each time you created a train 21:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> the train might have an implicit empty orderlist 21:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> and a button "assign to existing orderlist" and a button "create new orderlist [and assign this train to the list]" 21:28:13 <hylje> yes, and creating order lists the traditional way create a new orderlist" 21:28:58 * SpComb wonders if he wants to start poking around in OpenTTD's source code 21:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you just automatically create a new list on buying the train, you end up with a hundred unused empty orderlists, if you then assign the new train to an old list 21:29:18 <hylje> of course orderlists with no trains get pruned 21:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, that is also a bad thing 21:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> you might e.g. temporarily clear an orderlist of trains 21:29:58 <hylje> not in the way of deleting them all 21:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> then convert your network to monorail 21:30:02 <hylje> but merging identical 21:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> and then assign new monorail trains to the old lists 21:30:34 <Bjarni> back 21:30:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> merging identical would also be bad in this case 21:30:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> because same list != shared list 21:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> orderlists need to be able to be renamed, so you don't end up with "List 459", but with "ICE München-Augsburg" 21:32:37 <Bjarni> right now orders are created when something is added to the orders (like the order window is not empty) and only deleted if the user request it or all vehicles sharing those orders are removed (crashed or sold) 21:33:08 <Bjarni> are you talking about the vehicle group thing? because now they start to overlap 21:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, yeah, orderlists might be a way to group vehicles 21:33:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83420.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> or you might be able to add a vehicle group to an orderlist, and then assign vehicles to the vehicle group 21:34:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> then you might end up with 5 vehiclegroups sharing the same orders etc. 21:36:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84874.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:36:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:37:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> like i said, probably the best way to do this kind of lists would be to drag&drop trains from one window to another 21:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> [where "trains" actually represents all vehicletypes] 21:40:07 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 21:40:15 <Gorre> Everyone, everything hates me. 21:40:17 <Gorre> erm, hello! 21:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> common typo 21:40:40 <Gorre> sure 21:40:53 <hylje> yeah, the keys are like next to each other 21:41:15 <Gorre> oh crap, sure, "the keys are like right next to each other." 21:43:24 <Gorre> Ehm, enough of bash patterns, I finally managed to try some of the new nightlys and figured, that tons of my beloved towns have many "??s" in their names ... :/ 21:45:41 <glx> set fonts in openttd.cfg 21:45:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> language using uncode symbols? 21:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> someone should maybe add those characters to openttd.grf 21:46:54 <Gorre> Gorre.cfg "use search = false" :/ 21:47:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> like the russian glyphs, or some of the turk and czech ones 21:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> either that, or we will get a lot of these bug reports 21:58:57 <Bjarni> goodnight 21:59:00 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:50 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-57-82-249-25-84.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:20:20 <Wolf01> 'night 22:20:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:20:59 <Gorre> amen 22:21:01 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84874.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83739.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:27:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:28:12 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:32:19 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N776P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N785P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:34:54 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:37:05 *** Nigel [~Nigel@125-238-64-172.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:29 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:19 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc3-norw5-0-0-cust354.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:43:45 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:46:43 <bulio|> how can I replace mineral wagon with polybulk? 22:46:50 <bulio|> and have it auto-convert it so it carries coal 22:47:20 <glx> use autoreplace (and I think it refit if it can) 22:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> the autoreplace automatically refits to the same cargo as the original 22:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> and does not replace if the refit is not possible 22:50:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83739.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:45 <bulio|> ok 22:56:47 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 22:58:02 *** Nigel [~Nigel@125-238-63-180.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #openttd 23:00:44 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:02:13 *** Neonox [~Neonox@offb-590eb870.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 23:06:33 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:08:30 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc3-norw5-0-0-cust354.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:02 *** Neonox [~Neonox@offb-590eb870.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:28 <bulio|> is there a way to cnovert all train tracks into electric automatically? 23:13:25 <bulio|> *convert 23:13:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> no. 23:14:10 <bulio|> is there anyhting faster than a polybulk wagon? 23:14:12 <bulio|> for coal 23:16:45 <peter1138> nope 23:17:24 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:20:40 <bulio|> so I can't utilise fast trains then? 23:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, fast trains are only for passengers 23:21:53 <bulio|> ok 23:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> or maybe goods and valuables, but i don't know the set very well 23:22:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DACA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:55 *** robobed is now known as roboboy 23:25:58 <roboboy> hello 23:33:05 <Sacro> bulio|: maglve 23:33:08 <Sacro> *maglev 23:33:23 <Sacro> passengers, mail, goods and valuables can be unlimited 23:36:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-225-59.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:38:21 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:39:15 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:01 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6336.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:59 *** ZBServer [~ZBServer@c-69-243-92-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:15 <bulio|> Sacro: I have to manually replace everything on maglev, right? 23:55:23 <Sacro> bulio|: yeah 23:55:58 <bulio|> ugh 23:56:00 <bulio|> hehe 23:59:15 * Eddi|zuHause2 waits for the moment he realizes that he cannot transport coal by maglev :p