Log for #openttd on 19th December 2006:
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00:00:06  <mikk36|lap> like in web
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00:00:36  <Bjarni> good idea
00:00:40  <Bjarni> write a feature request
00:01:30  <Bjarni> hehe, just started the game to test this and I went wtf, trains are hitting each other in the main menu, nearly all of them and then I realised that it was due to the really unsafe train control patch I applied
00:01:40  <Bjarni> I was about to wonder what broke
00:02:19  <mikk36|lap> ???
00:02:39  <Bjarni> I had a patch applied, that made the trains pass red signals
00:02:44  <Bjarni> and I forgot :P
00:03:17  <mikk36|lap> lol
00:04:25  <Smoovious> ib
00:04:32  * Bjarni wonders how weird Smoovious will be when he returns
00:04:49  <Bjarni> weird enough to make odd sounds
00:04:55  * Smoovious shakes his head.
00:04:59  <Smoovious> just a cigarette
00:05:33  <Bjarni> so it didn't make you weird?
00:05:37  <Bjarni> only selfish?
00:05:50  <Smoovious> selfish?
00:06:41  <Bjarni> here smoking people tend to violate non-smoking areas and other stuff that bothers people, so it's rumoured that cigarettes contains something that makes people selfish
00:06:56  <Bjarni> either that or it's not random who decides to smoke
00:06:58  <Smoovious> nah, they're just inconsiderate to begin with
00:06:58  <Bjarni> or both
00:08:29  <Bjarni> I mean at the station, it's not possible to be in the waiting room if your health doesn't agree with smoke because they (now that's clever) added glass walls where the wind used to replace the air, so now it's always air with smoke even when nobody is in there
00:08:38  <Bjarni> and it's a no smoking area
00:08:49  <Smoovious> lovely
00:09:46  <Smoovious> there are some locales here in the states that actually made illegal to smoke a cigarette outside...
00:10:30  <Smoovious> like, they're breathing in all of this car exhaused on a daily basis and everything, and they're going off the deep end about a cigarette? outside?!
00:10:42  <Bjarni> but I do wonder what makes me ill in tobacco smoke (seriously ill. If I'm somewhere where people smoke, I end up in bed for days). It's not smoke in general, just tobacco smoke
00:10:46  <Smoovious> some things just keep growing out of control...
00:10:54  <Bjarni> I got no problems with smoke from wood or coal
00:11:10  <Smoovious> well, maybe you have allergies to it... my mom does...
00:11:36  <Bjarni> yet you smoke???
00:11:43  <glx> he goes outside :)
00:11:50  <Bjarni> that's illegal :P
00:11:52  <Smoovious> could be some of the additives too...
00:11:58  <Smoovious> not illegal here
00:12:44  <Smoovious> but even if it was, I'd be willing to make a test case of myself... sitting on my own porch, outside, on my own property, having a cigarette...
00:13:28  <Bjarni> I think it's funny that the tobacco smoke that was actually sold for being purifying once (ok, that was a long time ago) is more dangerous to me than coal smoke, which has been dangerous all the time
00:13:47  * Smoovious nods.
00:14:05  <Smoovious> and something similar with cocaine and other substances too
00:14:25  <Smoovious> unless I'm getting a buzz off of a bottle of Coke, it isn't "the real thing"
00:14:26  <Smoovious> :P
00:14:35  <Bjarni> ok, there was this particular shipment of coal, that was really bad for my throat, but I think it was like that for everybody. High sulfur levels or something
00:14:53  <glx> very irritating
00:16:12  <Bjarni> you know, modern powerplants are designed for a particular type of coal and they get more than one type of coal and analyse it to figure out how to mix the coal dust to make it just right
00:16:31  <Bjarni> in order to get high efficiency
00:16:58  <Bjarni> all of a sudden getting coal with way higher sulfur levels or some other abnormality would really hurt that
00:17:09  <Smoovious> yeah... and so they don't overload the air cleaners too
00:17:56  <Bjarni> also burning sulfur creates acid rain, so unless you pick it up in the chimney, it's bad in more than one way
00:18:00  <Smoovious> used to have to run a train crew out to one of the coal power plants every few weeks... and the old crew back...
00:18:23  <Smoovious> they let me check out the place while I was there... very very dirty...
00:18:51  <Smoovious> its insane how much coal they gotta burn each week to keep it going
00:18:54  <Bjarni> we don't have dirty powerplants even though we mainly use coal
00:19:19  <Bjarni> it's possible (but rare) to make coal powered powerplants clean
00:19:25  <Smoovious> well, I'm thinking more from the coal dust than from the exhaust
00:19:51  <Bjarni> you got a poor system if you got coal dust everywhere
00:20:05  <Smoovious> outside, before the coal even makes it into the plant yet
00:20:39  <Bjarni> you should get big pieces of coal and add them to some sort of machine and not break it into dust before it's inside a closed system
00:21:01  <Smoovious> the plant has been there at least 40 years... it has been modernized, but ya still get a build-up outside a bit where the trains feed it
00:21:14  <Bjarni> the little amount of dust you will get outside this way can be washed away. Coal from mines are so compressed that water can't get into it and you can wash it if you like
00:21:21  <Bjarni> unlike coal you make out of wood
00:22:08  <Smoovious> I don't know the specifics, but it is what I would have expected... at a sawmill, you'd expect to have a lot of wood dust and bits and pieces all over where they load and unload... same with gravel, metal recycling, etc
00:23:22  <Bjarni> well it is possible to beat that problem if you want
00:23:33  <Bjarni> it's not cheap though
00:24:31  <Smoovious> yeah, but it usually isn't worth it... you usually will have a small amount spill over onto the ground, and it isn't worth hunting ever little piece all the time... but after a few decades of that... .. .
00:24:53  <Smoovious> like a small piece of coal bouncing off of something and not making it into the hopper
00:24:54  <Bjarni> you know, when they tried to build steam electric locomotives, most of them died on short circuiting due to getting coal dust everywhere
00:25:07  <Smoovious> doesn't suprise me
00:25:09  <Bjarni> or leaky boilers on top of the electric engines
00:25:15  <Bjarni> most of them got both
00:26:11  <Smoovious> I've only seen 1 steam engine operating up close... when I was a kid, and they were running an exhibition train through our city... was pretty massive...
00:26:54  <Smoovious> I wanna say it was a 2-6-6-2, but I don't really know... at that age, wheelsets weren't that important to me. :)
00:27:04  <Bjarni> steam locomotives in USA got pretty big
00:27:08  <mikk36|lap> hmm
00:27:08  <Smoovious> ya
00:27:11  <mikk36|lap> bug
00:27:33  <mikk36|lap> after building city stations style station
00:27:37  <mikk36|lap> i built some road
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00:27:44  <mikk36|lap> now opened station building again
00:27:55  <mikk36|lap> and i have no building listed under City Stations
00:28:09  <mikk36|lap> using grf's from openttdcoop
00:28:33  <Bjarni> you got enormous and really hungry locomotives and they peaked around WWII where locomotives like big boy used a ton/mile (or was it two miles) and we really lacked all kinds of fuel in Europe, so we got the freight and passengers but not all the fuel needed to move the trains
00:28:41  <mikk36|lap> selecting another style and then back to city stations brought list back
00:29:07  <Bjarni> mikk36|lap: write a bug report
00:29:34  <Bjarni> 2-6-6-2 is pretty big
00:29:43  <Smoovious> we also had a lot more distance to cover too
00:29:51  <Bjarni> the biggest that I have seen in real life is just 4-6-2
00:30:00  <Smoovious> without a lot of cities in between
00:30:33  <Bjarni> you also got mountains. Europe put up catenary in the mountains really early
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00:30:51  <Smoovious> ya
00:31:52  <Bjarni> Sweden beat USA in getting the first electric line (by some months) and ever since USA have tried to reduce that railroad line to a tram and not a real railroad
00:31:53  <Smoovious> ended up having a lot of varied models of steam... and a lot of em ran on wood instead, cuz it was easier to get a hold of... run low on fuel? stop somewhere, and send out a few guys with axes
00:32:18  <Smoovious> USA really needs to do more with their rail, true...
00:32:41  <Smoovious> Amtrak could have done so much more if Congress would just stop trying to choke the life out of it
00:33:12  <Bjarni> that's actually a problem to get enough dry wood. You will get really poor efficiency (and pollute a lot more) if you don't dry your wood say a year or so
00:33:40  <Smoovious> yeah, but at the time, we didn't have a lot of choices available...
00:33:57  <Smoovious> and the EPA wasn't that much of a big deal then. :D
00:34:13  <Bjarni> "In the future, everybody will have a car, so we should close the railroads as they are too expensive and not needed anymore"
00:34:30  <Bjarni> that's the rule on railroad policy in the 60s
00:34:46  <Naksu> what!
00:34:50  <Naksu> usa has trains?
00:34:52  <Bjarni> 2/3 of all railroads here died
00:35:10  <Bjarni> well, not at this specific location, but in the country
00:35:29  <Bjarni> at this specific location, the need was (and is) way too big for closure
00:35:52  <Bjarni> it would be totally unrealistic to close them
00:35:56  <Smoovious> yeah... and the priority is still on trucking... not suprising either, considering the trucking industry's unions are more powerful than the rail industry's
00:36:23  <glx> here we are trying to put trucks on trains
00:36:45  <Smoovious> so with so much more going to trucking, now we have even more pollution problems, and safety with all the trucks on the roads...
00:37:02  <Smoovious> we used to have an intermodal place set up here... that got closed about 20 years ago
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00:37:25  <Smoovious> well, dunno if you'd call it strictly intermodal... the type with trailer-carriers
00:37:29  <Naksu>
00:38:08  <Bjarni> when the news here started to talk about the trucking union in USA and how they boycotted MAERSK, I started to wonder if they are controlled by the mafia. It sounded a lot like the NY incident where the mafia took control of a union and used it to kill all competition so there were really only one choice if you should replace windows and that was to use a company owned by the mafia
00:38:22  <Smoovious> they're going to have to increase commuter rail again, and soon... there's only so much more many of our airports can expand... and forget about trying to open a new one now
00:40:04  <Smoovious> and now with all of the inspections, you gotta get to the airport about 2 hours ahead of your flight if you want to count on making your flight? rediculous... figure in all of that lag time, baggage claim, lines for the counters, weather delays, traffic delays, etc... a trip can sometimes end up being faster on rail
00:40:41  <Bjarni> there are some upset people here because an airport got permission to expand because "no objections from the public showed up" and thousands stood up and said "I objected" and things just went downhill from there
00:40:55  <Bjarni> they are collecting signatures and so on now (at least I think so)
00:41:11  <Smoovious> yep... that kind of politics sounds familiar
00:41:32  <Bjarni> threatening with court since they didn't follow the law and discarded objections
00:41:41  <Smoovious> very familiar
00:42:33  <Smoovious> there was a big deal recently about "eminent domain" here... a city took a bunch of property (high priced property even) away from a bunch of homeowners, and turned around and gave it to a private company "for the public good" which SO isn't what eminent domain is for...
00:42:39  <Bjarni> and the people, who got the permission says "we don't plan to use it to send more or bigger planes, we just want to spend millions to make it possible, not actually use it" (like anybody believe that)
00:43:44  <Smoovious> wow... that ranks right up there with this politician, who made a campaign promise to fight to give everyone an above-average income... (he got elected, btw... which is also scary)
00:44:27  <Bjarni> how can everybody be raised to be higher than average?
00:44:40  <Bjarni> wouldn't that just move the average :P
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00:46:13  <Smoovious> yeah... but the majority of our population are too stupid to realize that
00:47:11  <Bjarni> some years ago we had a guy, who decided to run for (well, you would call it congress) and to make fun of everybody making promises that they can't keep, so he said that he would build a cathedral in the middle of nowhere, everybody would get wind in the right direction when they ride on bicycles and stuff like that
00:47:14  <Bjarni> he got elected
00:47:43  <Bjarni> most likely the most amazed person when that was made public was himself
00:47:58  <Naksu> Bjarni: the sad thing is
00:48:09  <Naksu> people would rather elect someone they know is incompetent than take chances
00:48:23  <Naksu> altho, at least someone like that isnt funding crime :)
00:48:35  <Bjarni> like most politicians, he failed to do as promised, so we still get wind in the wrong direction :(
00:50:06  * Smoovious chuckles.
00:51:16  <Bjarni> well, at least we got a somewhat good government right now
00:51:55  <Smoovious> our state just passed by public referendum, a law to do away with Affirmative Action... so everyone would be considered on their abilities instead of race-based modifiers... and it is being challenged in court as being racist...
00:52:23  <Smoovious> to me, that is kind of a bad message...
00:53:28  <Smoovious> they're basically challenging it, because they believe they aren't equal, and need to be helped... which kind of goes counter to the groups aim of equality... makes no sense, but they just can't see it no matter how much someone points it out
00:53:51  <Smoovious> like, do you really want to succeed because you're black, or do you want to succeed because you know your shit?
00:55:15  <Bjarni> the news made a big deal about a possible future law on the Faeroes Isles about protecting gay people and showed an example about a gay man, who was beaten because he was gay and I just wondered "that's illegal right now. Why would that need a special law to make it more criminal to beat a gay person than a strait person... isn't that kind of discrimination", but now they passed it because some people viewed it as discrimination not
00:55:15  <Bjarni>  to pass it
00:55:48  <Bjarni> but it's not unlikely that it might be recalled after next election
00:56:12  <Smoovious> well, I could see that... here, a hate-crime is considered worse than a similar crime for a different reason
00:56:51  <Bjarni> this is not hate-crime as hate-crime. It's only about gay people
00:57:19  <Smoovious> first time I was ever truly ashamed of our government was when a state constitutional amendment was passed, specifically forbidding same-sex couples from being able to join their households... land of the free, liberty, equality, my ass
00:57:49  <Bjarni> and the people, who wanted to pass it talked about the "lawlessness of the current situation where gay people can be crippled and the law is not against it" (totally wrong)
00:57:50  <Smoovious> here, that would be considered a hate-crime... just adding sexual orientation to the list of what counts as a hate-crime
00:58:20  <Smoovious> the law is against it... it is just the people running the law system don't enforce it and don't give a shit about it
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01:00:43  <Smoovious> personally, I believe that if two people want to join households and become family, it is nobody else's business... it doesn't matter if they are in love with each other, have sex with each other, children, etc... say I had a best friend, and we've been best friends since we were kids, so much so we think of each other as brothers... and we're both straight... what's wrong with joining our households and becoming brothers?
01:00:56  <Bjarni> allowing same sex marriages is a big mistake on it's own. Marriage is about making a stable and good foundation to get children and get them to grow up in stability. According to biology, that's not needed with people of the same sex
01:01:09  <Smoovious> why should our government even be taking a position for and against it? they're supposed to be there for us, not the other way around
01:01:20  <Smoovious> no... marriage is about joining households
01:01:39  <Smoovious> biology doesn't need marriage
01:02:20  <Smoovious> note I'm not saying marriage...
01:02:42  <glx> just something similar about rights
01:02:51  <Smoovious> right
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01:03:22  <Bjarni> also the number of homosexuals have exploded, possibly because now children are bombarded with remarks that they should not be afraid of admitting it and so on and it's actually hard to grow up and developing sexuality
01:03:30  <Smoovious> regardless of the relationship, there should be some avenue to join households, with the rights of family along with it...
01:03:57  <Bjarni> might confuse some of them into stuff they would not have done otherwise
01:04:06  <Smoovious> I don't think homosexuality exploded so much, they're just much more visible now... not as many staying in hiding out of fear...
01:04:41  <Smoovious> nah, a person knows who they're attracted to early on... it isn't something you can convince someone of... either they're attracted to someone or they're not
01:05:07  <Naksu> 03:00 <@Bjarni> allowing same sex marriages is a big mistake on it's own. Marriage is about making a stable and good foundation to get children and get them to grow up in stability. According to biology, that's not needed with people of the same sex
01:05:11  <Naksu> i disagree with that
01:05:14  <Smoovious> what they learn is if they should hide or be themselves
01:05:21  <Naksu> marriage is about nothing
01:05:53  <Smoovious> marriage has more to do with the churches than anything else
01:06:01  <Bjarni> you can actually convince people to believe anything. You can even convince people that they are dying and they can die from that believe because the will to life dies
01:06:39  <Bjarni> Smoovious: when you say joining households, do you mean like living together or some financial thing as well?
01:06:46  <Smoovious> you can't make someone believe they are attracted to someone they aren't, and vice versa... they know who they're attracted to... your dying analogy is flawed
01:07:01  <Smoovious> by joining households, I mean becoming family...
01:07:25  <Bjarni> so joining household is kind of like getting married, right=
01:07:28  <Bjarni> ?
01:07:50  <Bjarni> I wouldn't get like that with my brother, even if we decided to live together
01:07:58  <Smoovious> now if that family means becoming siblings, spouses, parent/child, or whatever relationship they choose, what joining households would mean is that people who weren't family before, are now family, and all of the rights that come with it
01:09:09  <Smoovious> that's fine for you... but because you feel that way, is not a good enough reason to bar other people who feel differently... not in a free society
01:09:30  <Bjarni> becoming family would to me be like getting married, nomatter what else you say
01:09:42  <Smoovious> no it wouldn't
01:10:09  <Smoovious> being married, only has to do with spouses... just like being adopted, only has to do with parent/child relationships
01:10:47  <Smoovious> please don't make me get all geeky and bring in a Star Trek analogy. :D
01:11:03  <Bjarni> hey, that would be cool
01:11:08  <Smoovious> alright
01:11:26  <Bjarni> I wonder what Kirk would say to living together with a man :P
01:11:30  <Smoovious> at one point in Star Trek, Worf joined Martog's household... as family, with all of the rights that came with it...
01:11:47  <Bjarni> I know
01:12:04  <Bjarni> I think of it as adoption as it left his own house
01:12:08  <Smoovious> they loved each other as brothers, and as family... not because they wanted to have hot, steamy, violent sex with each other... and had nothing to do with marriage
01:13:14  * Bjarni fails to see how two klingon males would survive hot steamy sex, but that's another story
01:13:26  <Bjarni> they aren't that gentle :P
01:13:31  <Smoovious> that I would prefer to leave as an exercise of the imagination
01:13:42  <Smoovious> besides... I can't really picture a Klingon who's 'flaming'
01:13:51  <Naksu> aren't they all?
01:13:56  * Smoovious tries picturing Ru Paul as a Klingon
01:14:10  <Sacro__> k'plah
01:14:17  <Naksu> oh cool
01:14:22  <Naksu> generic news!
01:14:33  <Naksu> "muslim alienation risk in europe" @ bbc rss
01:14:41  <Naksu> that's like
01:14:45  <Naksu> "unrest in middle east"
01:15:10  <Bjarni> I saw something about that report. If it's like what the usually say, then it's complete bullshit
01:15:33  <Naksu> bullshit?
01:15:59  <Naksu> i thought it was too obvious :)
01:16:15  <Smoovious> anyways... I have no problem with 3 people wanting to join their households into 1 either... it isn't the government's business to tell people how to live their lives... if what I do, doesn't interfere with the rights of someone else to do what they want to do, what's the problem? the whole argument about only allowing males and females to marry each other, comes from religion... there is no requirement that said male and female h
01:16:25  <Bjarni> I mean at one time they said that Denmark were cruel to non-Danes based on interviews with 20 anonymous people, so it completely lacked any documentation
01:17:34  <Bjarni> like they reported a (non-documented) incident where the police were too hard on somebody... and didn't mention why the police wanted that guy and such info would not be given
01:17:47  <Smoovious> well, maybe if more Muslims would practice active denouncement instead of passive acceptance of the things the radical groups are doing in their name, relations between muslims and non-muslims might be better
01:18:11  <Naksu> Smoovious: you could say the same of any group of people really
01:18:18  <Smoovious> and I do
01:18:48  <Smoovious> but today, it is the muslim community at the top of the hit-list... .. . .. to speak... .. .
01:19:02  <Bjarni> <Naksu>	i thought it was too obvious :) <-- if you read it, it's likely based on nothing and gives conclusion that you are cruel and should be punished
01:19:07  <Naksu> "maybe if non-muslims would practice active denouncemend instead of passive acceptance of the things the racist groups are doing in their name, relations between muslims and non-muslims might be better"
01:19:20  <Bjarni> those EU reports about such issues are worth nothing
01:20:13  <Smoovious> we make no secret that our beef is with the terrorist groups... and not with Muslims in general... but people don't want to hear that...
01:20:38  <Bjarni> this time I think it's about the fact that we are not giving them jobs even though they don't want them and they don't know the local language so communication is impossible
01:20:51  <Bjarni> they really do blame us for that once in a while o_O
01:21:08  <Smoovious> yeah, same thing happens here with blacks...
01:21:52  <Smoovious> of course it can't be because they aren't qualified for the job, and can't write legibly, or communicate professionally... it always has to be because they're black...
01:22:02  <Naksu> actually it's about how they're reverting back to belonging to their <whatever a community of muslims is called> rather than the town or some more general community
01:22:07  <Bjarni> some black people are too stupid to handle a normal job, but the same can be said for some white people
01:22:31  <Smoovious> and the ones you always hear about, fit the stereotype... completely ignoring all of the 'blacks' that work damned hard and made something of themselves, just like anybody from any other ethnic group...
01:22:39  <Bjarni> but it's more likely to be called racist if you talk about a certain black person in such a case
01:22:43  <Smoovious> like they're owed something
01:23:14  <Smoovious> yeah...
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01:24:01  <Smoovious> hate to break it to them, but none of them were slaves... all of them have the same rights and opportunities as everyone else... and if they aren't making it... it is their own damned fault for not doing what they have to do to get what they want
01:24:22  <Smoovious> they made their own choices
01:24:31  <Smoovious> same as I did, and same as anyone else
01:24:42  <Smoovious> I don't owe them a damned thing
01:25:25  <Bjarni> I recall the case where 4 white cops shot a black guy in some bad neighbourhood in NY and the court stated that he was ok because he was acting like he got a gun even though he didn't. Then the media started about a white jury allowed white cops to kill unarmed black people and they totally forgot that not only the 8 white people, but also the 4 black people in the jury agreed that the cops could have done nothing else or they riske
01:25:31  <Bjarni> d getting killed
01:25:34  <Smoovious> (well, I owe George a , but that's only cuz I needed gas money a couple weeks ago... but that's the only 'black' I owe! :P )
01:26:35  <Bjarni> be careful. You owe money to a black guy. You risk all his brothers shows up and beat you for not paying on time :P
01:26:47  <Smoovious> nah, he's a stand-up guy...
01:26:58  <Bjarni> I was joking
01:27:01  <Smoovious> probably the only person I'm still friends with from back in the day
01:27:33  <Smoovious> he doesn't think of himself as a black man... thinks of himself as a man
01:27:54  <Naksu> well, finland doesnt really have a problem with blacks or muslims
01:28:13  <Bjarni> at least not yet
01:28:38  <Naksu> well, i'd say that the ones that are here are not being actively discriminated upon
01:29:08  <Naksu> unlike the roma
01:29:23  <Smoovious> that's a good thing too... our society tho, resists change too much... causes all sorts of problems...
01:29:32  <Naksu> who are mostly not allowed to enter certain establishments
01:29:38  <Smoovious> too few "the world is what you make it" types...
01:29:59  <Bjarni> I remember a complain about racism. A baker needed one (notice ONE) person to sell bread and got 8 people for interviews and he told all 8 of them that they were 8 and only needed one, so they could not be sure to get it. One person didn't get it and then she proclaimed that it was because he was a racist.... then what about the 6 other people, who failed to get the job as well?
01:30:21  <Bjarni> also "lack of positive attitude" might have killed her chances
01:30:44  <Smoovious> yeah
01:31:04  <Naksu> certain establishments being pretty much any place with alcohol serving rights
01:31:09  <Smoovious> I know calling my prospective boss a racist really goes well duringthe interview process... they really like that...
01:31:11  <Naksu> or small shops
01:32:13  <Smoovious> I actually had one femme tell me, when I said she was a racist, "I can't be a racist because I'm black!", as if that explained everything... I countered, "That remark in itself, is racist..." ... she never got it
01:32:44  <Bjarni> well, we got some Roma here and most (not all) keep them to themselves and are nothing but clients for social security and problems (like crime). They try to keep their children away from schools and stuff
01:33:20  <Smoovious> I was hoping I'd follow the reference in context as it kept coming up, but I'm failing at it... what is "Roma" referring to?
01:33:31  <Naksu> Bjarni: same here really. the problem with restaurants is that when they let roma in someone eventually gets stabbed to death
01:33:42  <Naksu> Smoovious: i think you could call them gypsies
01:33:44  <Bjarni> Smoovious: yeah, people think it only goes one way. It's "you think one race is better than the other one", not mentioning white or anything
01:34:16  <Smoovious> ok, thank you, Naksu... I think I remember hearing the Roma term before, now that you mention gypsy types...
01:34:28  * Smoovious nods.
01:34:40  <Bjarni> in their language, Roma means human, so they are the only humans?
01:34:46  <Smoovious> Affirmitave Action, in itself, is institutional endorsed racism
01:35:13  <Naksu> Bjarni: most people are named after whatever they call humans
01:35:24  <Naksu> like the ainu of japan
01:35:42  <Bjarni> btw they originate from India, but they have been on the move for thousands of years. Nobody likes them for some reason and they have been kicked out several times
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01:36:26  <Bjarni> that makes you wonder... why?
01:37:48  <Smoovious> well, seems to me that historically, that made them good scapegoats... and the more they were scapegoated, the more their reputation grew... they probably deserved some of it... every group has people giving them a bad name... but I doubt they deserved all they got
01:38:48  <Naksu> well
01:39:03  <Bjarni> btw they tend to make money on stuff like fortune tellers. They can't actually see anything in your hand, but they can make you look hard at your hand and then they go easy on certain subjects and look for your reaction to each of them and they continue based on that. I have actually seen that happening (I was not the fool to pay for it)
01:39:20  <Naksu> i've never seen that
01:39:31  <Bjarni> since it can be considered and art and they train each other in it, they can become rather good
01:39:34  * Smoovious nods.
01:39:45  <Smoovious> John Edwards did something similar with his Crossing Over show
01:39:55  <Naksu> i've seen an old roma woman stuff coffee packets under her dress tho
01:40:54  <Sacro__> grrr, done me hand in
01:41:39  <Bjarni> In Eastern Europe where most of them are, they really are a problem because they don't know how many they are since they refuse to register, they move around in their wagons and try to live off of the local population where they show up... likely not all of them, but so many that it's a huge problem.
01:42:31  <Naksu> they dont really roam around in finland
01:42:44  <Bjarni> too cold or something
01:43:56  <Smoovious> if they wanna live like that, more power to em... no reason why you should have to plant yourself in one place
01:44:14  <Smoovious> can see the appeal of both
01:45:31  <Bjarni> the problem is not that they move around. The problem is that they aren't productive in any way and live on getting stuff from other people with little or nothing in return
01:47:20  <Bjarni> I mean, if I decide to get a mobile home and drive around because I don't want to be in one place all the time, I can do that just as long as I got somehow that the public can access me, like a mailbox somewhere
01:47:47  * Smoovious grins.
01:48:02  <Bjarni> modern society demands that they can send you tax stuff and so on
01:48:13  <Bjarni> they refuse that
01:48:20  <Smoovious> well, with the amount of annoyances I have on a daily basis, the idea that the public can't access me, sounds real good right about now
01:48:51  <Bjarni> you would not want that for real
01:49:09  <Smoovious> yeah I would... I wouldn't want it permanently... but I'd love it for a couple years
01:49:16  <Bjarni> like if you need to go to the hospital, then you are screwed if you are hiding
01:49:41  <Smoovious> not really... hospitals here still have to treat me, ID or no ID
01:49:58  <Bjarni> I meant non-urgent stuff
01:50:02  <Smoovious> they'd only contact law enforcement if it involved a gun wound or a knife wound
01:50:30  <Smoovious> if it was non-urgent, then I wouldn't need to go to the hospital. :D
01:51:19  <Smoovious> the emergency rooms end up treating a lot of non-emergency stuff all the time ayways... people who don't have regular doctors or health insurance, etc
01:56:16  <Smoovious> welp, I got stuff I gotta stop procrastinating on tonight... catch ya later... enjoyed the conversation...
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06:14:40  <CIA-1> miham * r7509 /trunk/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
06:14:40  <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-12-19 07:13:46
06:14:40  <CIA-1> bulgarian - 5 fixed by kokobongo (5)
06:14:40  <CIA-1> catalan - 1 fixed, 4 changed by arnaullv (5)
06:14:40  <CIA-1> esperanto - 24 fixed by LaPingvino (24)
06:14:41  <CIA-1> estonian - 5 fixed by vermon (5)
06:14:41  <CIA-1> french - 1 fixed by glx (1)
06:16:10  <Nigel> "can I translate the game to English?" :P
06:20:49  <Ailure> lol
06:21:19  <hylje> theres an american translation afaik
06:23:41  <Ailure> I don't even see why it's required though
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06:25:24  <hylje> less humour?
06:28:31  <MiHaMiX> mornin'
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08:36:20  <Celestar> hmpf
08:36:28  <Celestar> can I tell dd to not stop on I/O errors?
08:37:29  <Brianetta> yes
08:38:13  <Brianetta> dd if=foo of=blah conv=noerror
08:41:12  <peter1138> why does all instant messaging software for windows shun the native gui?
08:41:48  <Brianetta> b3c4u5e s|<1nz R teh w4y f0r\/\/4rd
08:41:55  <peter1138> o_O
08:42:10  <Brianetta> Literally, thoughts like that pass through the UI designers' minds.
08:49:04  <Nigel> peter1138, what i find funny is Windows Live Messenger does exactly that
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08:55:08  <peter1138> grrr, fucking mozilla
08:55:28  <peter1138> each tt-forums page popups up the yellow banner telling me i need to install flash player
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09:39:28  <Naksu> btw
09:39:46  <Naksu> what makes opengl horrible to work with compared to direct3d?
09:41:17  <Naksu> seems like a lot of games that are released with both mac and windows versions have d3d for windows and ogl for osx
09:42:06  <peter1138> d3d is supported better under windows, probably
09:48:52  <Aloysha> d3d is only supported under windows?
09:49:22  <peter1138> is it?
09:49:43  <peter1138> i heard vista was dropping opengl, but that was a while ago. i don't know if it actually did drop it.
09:51:23  <Aloysha> well, afaik windows only supports opengl 1.3 or 1.5 or something
09:51:27  <Aloysha> support for 2.0 is not going to happen
09:51:33  <Naksu> er
09:51:40  <Naksu> windows doesnt support anything at all
09:51:48  <Naksu> it's not about windows support
09:51:56  <Naksu> the libraries aren't made by microsoft anyways
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09:52:41  <Aloysha> good point.. or something...
09:52:56  <Aloysha> i thought the way it linked with ogl only allowed it the method calls from the early versions...
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09:54:13  <Celestar> morning peter1138
09:54:52  <Naksu> oh wait
09:54:58  <peter1138> hello celestar
09:54:59  <Naksu> maybe they're talking about the software renderer
09:55:06  <Brianetta> Celestar: Did your dd behave?
09:55:15  <peter1138> Celestar: think we've got enough for a quick 0.6 release? ;)
09:58:53  <Celestar> peter1138: ? :)
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09:59:03  <Celestar> Brianetta: no it didn't, but dd_rescue does
09:59:54  <Brianetta> dd_rescue?
09:59:55  <peter1138> Celestar: bridges and newgrf stuff, hhe
09:59:59  <Celestar> peter1138: yah
10:00:02  <Brianetta> Did you try the noerror conversion?
10:00:15  * peter1138 attempts to find a monitor to buy
10:00:21  <peter1138> one that won't cost the earth
10:00:33  <peter1138> although pc world have a 22" widescreen for £250
10:09:03  <Celestar> hm
10:09:09  <Celestar> dd_rescue is stuck atm :o
10:11:27  <Brianetta> Read error must be blobking it#
10:18:59  <Celestar> ok but it goes on
10:19:02  <Celestar> 240 errors :S
10:26:18  <Brianetta> Are these data important?
10:26:29  <Celestar> only like 10 files
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10:26:42  <Celestar> the once that I created after the last backup on Sunday night.
10:26:53  <Brianetta> eek
10:26:53  <Celestar> creating them takes 4-6 hours, running dd_rescue takes 5 minutes... so
10:26:59  <Celestar> ones*
10:27:17  <Brianetta> I hope your important files aren't the ones producing the errors.
10:27:24  <Celestar> I'll see :P
10:27:24  * Brianetta takes daily backups
10:27:29  <Brianetta> <-- paranoid abou tthis sort of stuff
10:27:31  * Celestar takes nightly backups
10:27:49  <Celestar> well, sunday night, then to work monday morning and the crash on monday noon
10:28:07  <Brianetta> that sucks
10:28:19  <Brianetta> Makes me want RAID
10:28:22  <Celestar> yeah especially since this disk is 2 weeks old
10:28:29  <Celestar> RAID in a laptop is kinda difficult
10:28:31  <Brianetta> double-suck!
10:28:58  <Brianetta> My laptop has nothing important on it
10:29:17  <Celestar> my laptop is kept in sync with my workstation every day.
10:29:24  <Celestar> the workstation having its /home on the fileserver
10:29:30  <Brianetta> A few of my SVN checkouts, (passphrased) copies of keys and some duplication of my regular environment.
10:29:50  <Celestar> which has a 7.5TB RAID6 + hotspare + nightly backups
10:29:57  <Brianetta> Yeah, my laptop gets certain things rsync'd from my server home directory
10:30:06  <Brianetta> but it's rare that anything goes back the other way
10:30:22  * Celestar tries hunting some food
10:30:24  <Brianetta> unless I go away with my laptop
10:30:41  <Celestar> especially nice when you lose data on your trip :S
10:30:44  <Celestar> had that once
10:30:55  <Brianetta> ew
10:31:19  <Brianetta> well, if I pulled, say, four hours' coding, I'd probably copy it to my USB stick straight away
10:31:28  <Brianetta> even in case my laptop was nicked
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10:35:41  <Celestar> ok dd_rescue worked out
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10:35:51  <Celestar> repairing file system
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10:37:51  <Celestar> mounted
10:37:54  <Celestar> all data there :)
10:40:56  <Celestar> gotta love this OS
10:41:14  <Brianetta> indeed
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11:00:42  <Darkvater> morning
11:01:02  <Celestar> heyho
11:01:23  <Celestar> andromeda:/home       3.8T  3.8T  7.1G 100% /nfs/home
11:01:29  * Celestar goes adding 2 disks to the array
11:01:31  <Celestar> bbl
11:02:29  <Darkvater> peter1138: ping
11:02:36  <peter1138> pong
11:02:40  <Biff> doesnt reading and writing from disk suffer quite a bit when you have /home mounted over nfs?
11:02:40  <peter1138> merrily oh high
11:02:52  <Rubidium> Darkvater: what are we going to do about 'bugs' like FS#452?
11:03:00  <peter1138> Biff: no, cos you're reading and writing to nfs, not disk
11:03:11  <Biff> true :P
11:03:33  <peter1138> Rubidium: slap people
11:04:05  <Rubidium> there should at least be some text added to readme.txt I guess
11:04:48  <Nigel> you should rename readme.txt to dontreadme.txt i think more people would read it then
11:04:54  <Darkvater> Rubidium: yes readme
11:04:57  <Nigel> that or rename it to pornsites.txt
11:04:58  <Darkvater> but that guy is talking stupid
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11:05:04  <Darkvater> but the ? and ? (double acute accents) are not (question mark appears instead).
11:05:09  <Darkvater> *never* worked
11:05:12  <Eddi|zuHause3> Nigel: pornsites.exe ;)
11:05:13  <Darkvater> it was o~ and u~
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11:05:41  <Darkvater> peter1138: about ingame changing of newgrf settings. Is it possible to apply them on the fly (eg on the press of the button), or require to save the game and then load?
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11:06:06  <peter1138> Darkvater: the landscape cheat does it
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11:06:13  <peter1138> just reload the spriteses
11:06:39  <peter1138> it might crash of course, heh
11:07:14  <peter1138> Reported Version  0.5
11:07:15  <peter1138> hmm
11:07:23  <peter1138> who's got a time machine?
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11:08:27  <Eddi|zuHause3> is that like "report as Internet Exploer 8 alpha"? ;)
11:08:47  <Darkvater> hmm, it would be better to save/load then
11:09:21  <peter1138> well
11:09:23  <peter1138> not really
11:09:36  <peter1138> if it would crash, it would crash either way
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11:10:13  <peter1138> hmm, might need to run AfterLoadVehicles too
11:10:50  <Darkvater> hmm
11:12:39  <peter1138> hmm, hp 20w, £189
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11:12:57  <peter1138> maybe that wasn't the model
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11:13:50  <peter1138> w20
11:14:10  <peter1138> urgh, looks horrible ;p
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11:21:42  <Darkvater> ok I'll have a look about the newgrf change thingie
11:23:23  <Darkvater> did we have this?
11:23:25  <Darkvater> when a train is stopped at a station, it shows how much is loaded with "Load x%",
11:23:30  <Darkvater> \I don't remember seeing it
11:24:08  <Rubidium> it is in MiniIN
11:24:24  <Darkvater> jao9 jrq433~08rfhjqwe
11:24:24  <Darkvater> fa
11:24:24  <Darkvater> df
11:24:49  <Rubidium> Darkvater's cat wants to participate in the conversation too?
11:25:09  <peter1138> hmm
11:26:01  <blathijs> :-)
11:26:04  <Celestar> evms ROCKS
11:26:05  * Darkvater shoots cat
11:26:21  <Celestar> andromeda:/home       3.8T  3.8T  6.8G 100% /nfs/home
11:28:11  <Eddi|zuHause3> hmm... sorry, i did not realize it was only a miniin feature
11:28:13  <Celestar> andromeda:/home       3.9T  3.8T  105G  98% /nfs/home
11:29:41  <Darkvater> peter1138: << do we want something to do with this?
11:30:54  <Eddi|zuHause3> well, it does something similar if you change the selected station type (automatically selecting the available numbers)
11:31:06  <Eddi|zuHause3> just seems that is a forgotten case
11:32:44  <peter1138> yeah, i'll get around to ti
11:32:44  <peter1138> it
11:32:51  <peter1138> it's not major though
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11:35:50  <Darkvater> allow me to assign it to you ;)
11:37:15  <peter1138> allow me to ignore it
11:37:25  <Darkvater> but most certainly
11:38:25  <Tefad> holy crap on a stick
11:38:32  <Tefad> nearly 4T of space?
11:39:02  <Eddi|zuHause3> no, he has nearly 4T of lack of space ;)
11:39:16  <PandaMojo> That's a lot of porn.
11:39:25  <Tefad> indeed pr0n city.
11:39:40  <Tefad> i thought i had a lot of space with nearly 1T
11:39:47  <Tefad> (over a couple of machines though)
11:40:10  <Eddi|zuHause3> 1T is really nothing...
11:40:13  <Celestar> andromeda:/home       5.5T  3.8T  1.7T  71% /nfs/home
11:40:19  <Celestar> that's better :)
11:40:25  <Tefad> Celestar: what the? LVM or something?
11:40:31  <Celestar> Tefad: EVMS
11:40:53  <Celestar> plug two disks in rack, press two buttons in the evms interface, there you go.
11:41:07  <Eddi|zuHause3> what do you do when you run out of reserve hard disks?
11:41:23  <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause3: I still have 4 unused slots in the rack (i.e. 3TB)
11:41:32  <Tefad> evms sits above md and lvm. i see.
11:41:41  <Celestar> and I can add another array to the SAN \o/
11:41:50  <Tefad> that sounds expensive
11:41:54  <Eddi|zuHause3> and who pays for that?
11:41:56  <Celestar> assuming $BOSS gives me $MONEY
11:41:59  <Tefad> what the hell are you doing? just a hobby or what
11:42:05  <Celestar> Tefad: working ...
11:42:12  * Celestar is at $WORK
11:42:15  <Tefad> ohhh
11:42:17  <Tefad> i see ; )
11:42:21  <Tefad> so notpron.
11:42:27  <Celestar> well .....
11:42:28  <Eddi|zuHause3> right now i am lacking a S-ATA cable
11:42:38  * Celestar dcc's Eddi|zuHause3 a SATA cable
11:42:58  <Tefad> my lug/uug meets at an astronomy building
11:43:01  <Biff> i have plenty of spare sata cables
11:43:06  <Tefad> they have TB upon TB of storage
11:43:13  <Eddi|zuHause3> i bought a 400G drive to replace my failed 40G drive ;)
11:43:18  <Tefad> nrao
11:43:35  <Celestar> the speed at which HDD capacity grows is insane
11:43:42  <Biff> i have only 5x250 in my file server (in raid5 + spare) :/
11:44:00  <Tefad> you've probably seen the VLA on tv or movies
11:46:34  <Eddi|zuHause3> this is impressive... i bought the HDD off ebay yesterday around 5AM, and today around 10AM it is already here
11:46:48  <Tefad> O_o
11:46:55  <Tefad> airmail? local?
11:47:02  <Eddi|zuHause3> that includes the time for money transfer and stuff
11:48:02  <Tefad> on average, i have good luck with ebay
11:48:10  <Eddi|zuHause3> but i think it was within the same bank (so 1 bank day for the transfer) and then overnight shipping (DHL package)
11:48:21  <Tefad> only twice has the wrong item (or wrongly advertized) been sent
11:48:30  <Tefad> oh, i always use paypal
11:49:11  <Eddi|zuHause3> within germany, bank transfer is the usual means of payment
11:49:23  <Tefad> hmm k
11:49:30  <Tefad> with in the US, there's.. too many.
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12:06:16  <peter1138> too many whats?
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12:10:03  <Darkvater> idiots?
12:10:17  <Eddi|zuHause3> now that is for sure ;)
12:13:54  <peter1138> heh
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13:31:47  <CIA-1> rubidium * r7510 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix(r7261): "./configure --help" messages for custom-lang-dir and second-data-dir were wrong.
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14:47:45  <Darkvater> so people I see we're buzzing with activity ;p
14:48:08  * glx kicks CIA-1
14:48:15  <CIA-1> ow
14:51:21  <Celestar> Darkvater: yeah we do
14:51:30  <Celestar> what about branching??
14:51:34  <Celestar> I wanna merge over Xmas
14:51:38  <Celestar> maybe on the 24th heh :P
14:51:51  <Darkvater> I just want to do really one more thing and then we can branch
14:52:11  <Darkvater> which I now solemnly pledge, so have the devil my sole otherwise, I will do today
14:52:26  <hylje> i want to branch
14:55:08  <CIA-1> glx * r7511 /trunk/network_gui.c: -Fix(r7505): Fix network game list selection by enlarging by two pixel and adding a new row to it
14:55:41  <peter1138> do it!
14:55:43  <peter1138> do it now!
14:56:27  <peter1138> hmm
14:56:31  <peter1138>
14:59:51  <Darkvater> what was UTF8 doing there?
15:04:09  <peter1138> temporary info for WT2 while mihamix had latin15 and utf8 langs in the system
15:04:36  <Darkvater> ..
15:04:38  <Darkvater> no comment
15:05:08  <peter1138> :)
15:05:15  <Darkvater> do it!
15:05:17  <Darkvater> do it now!
15:06:33  <Darkvater> hmm if I told vim to :vsplit
15:06:42  <Darkvater> and I resize the term window how do I get the split in the centre?
15:09:47  <peter1138> hmm
15:09:53  <peter1138> you think it's fine?
15:09:58  <peter1138> might upset WT2... i dunno
15:10:06  <peter1138> some don't have .UTF-8 anyway...
15:12:56  <Darkvater> they don't?
15:15:04  <Darkvater> well if they don't the change is moot
15:15:09  <Darkvater> but MiHaMiX: comments ^
15:18:00  <Darkvater> peter1138: CopyGRFConfigList << shouldn't one of them (src) be const?
15:21:19  <Darkvater> he
15:21:54  <Darkvater> peter1138: if I switch the climate right after load manually the newgrf game doesn't crash which it does ingame
15:23:50  <Darkvater> sadly we have found that afterloadgame doesn't work when called ingame
15:23:51  <Darkvater> bleh
15:24:01  <Celestar> ok I'll check what needs to be done with the merge
15:25:11  <peter1138> the _m[].extra stuff needs sorting out
15:25:28  <peter1138> working with the newhouse stuff
15:25:34  <peter1138> assuming newhouses is wanted...
15:26:32  <Darkvater> that's not a 0.5 topic :)
15:30:27  <peter1138> no
15:30:31  <peter1138> neither is merging ;p
15:31:53  <Darkvater> hehe
15:32:29  <Darkvater> donnu what newhouses does but they also have m6 and so on
15:32:45  <glx> m6 replaces extra IIRC
15:32:47  <peter1138> exactly
15:33:51  <Darkvater> hmm something is different between calling afterloadgame automatically after game-load and ingame (when it works)
15:34:07  <Darkvater> it crashes for newgrf station-drawing manually in my simple test-case
15:34:32  <Darkvater> I think some newgrf re-init is missing
15:36:26  <Darkvater> I'll ponder about this at home ;p
15:38:27  <peter1138> well, afterloadgame probably shouldn't be called in game
15:39:07  <peter1138> s/probably/definitely/
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16:09:23  <[gen2]niki> hi everyone
16:09:24  <[gen2]niki> :O
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17:06:54  <[gen2]niki> hi helb
17:07:06  <helb> [gen2]niki: hi
17:07:58  <[gen2]niki> can anyone teach me good railroadbuilding?
17:07:59  <[gen2]niki> o.o
17:08:57  <helb> [gen2]niki: Take a look at :)
17:09:18  <[gen2]niki> cool hehe ;p
17:10:33  <Darkvater> he the landscape cheat needs afterloadvehicles/afterloadstations/updatewaypointcustomgraphics/plus the stuff already there
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17:13:14  <peter1138> it needs to be removed :P
17:13:58  <Darkvater> the cheat?
17:14:05  <peter1138> yeah
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17:14:29  <Darkvater> well the cheat uses about the same things that a newgrf change needs doing ingame
17:14:35  <peter1138> ok
17:15:02  <peter1138> for stations it needs to go through all the stations and remove the custom station reference
17:15:08  <peter1138> on load, it's null
17:15:16  <peter1138> it won't be, mid game
17:15:19  <peter1138> hmm
17:15:31  <peter1138> although maybe it'll get fixed by afterloadstations, i can't remember ;p
17:15:35  <Darkvater> afterloadstations()
17:16:00  <Darkvater> that's why the cheat crashed without it
17:16:16  <peter1138> hmm, yeah, should work :)
17:17:21  <Darkvater> it does; I tested :)
17:17:27  <Darkvater> well it didn't crash
17:17:49  <Darkvater> the question still remains though..update newgrf ingame, or only after save/load
17:17:56  <Darkvater> after save/load is less work obviously ;p
17:22:36  <[gen2]niki> are there plans of a release candidate sooner or later?
17:22:37  <[gen2]niki> o.o
17:22:56  <[gen2]niki> id like to contribute, and if its atleast a gameserver hosted on my rootserver
17:22:58  <Darkvater> NEVER!
17:23:26  <Sacro> Darkvater: dont scare the n00bs
17:23:30  <[gen2]niki> lol
17:23:46  <[gen2]niki> trolls dont scare me anymore :D
17:23:52  <[gen2]niki> everyone was a newbie once
17:23:59  <hylje> ya greetings mon
17:24:06  <hylje> how you be
17:24:09  <Darkvater> WTF
17:24:16  <Darkvater> title: AMD Mobile Athlon XP-M 2600+ - AXMG2600FQQ4C socket 462
17:24:25  <Darkvater> description: Celeron Tualeron 1200Mhz QLS5QS intel
17:24:25  <[gen2]niki> o.o
17:24:32  * Darkvater doesn't trust that
17:24:39  <[gen2]niki> sounds up to date
17:24:43  <Darkvater> [gen2]niki: yes a RC will be soon, really soon
17:25:24  <Sacro> haha, Darkvater the troll
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17:25:38  <Sacro> must admit, its quite accurate
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17:26:59  <Darkvater> hmm, some food
17:27:08  <[gen2]niki> have a good meal :o
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17:28:05  <norbert79> hi
17:28:13  <[gen2]niki> hi
17:28:15  <Wolf01> ello
17:28:33  <[gen2]niki> well if there is a need for servers.. just tell me.. my rootserver is rarely in use x-x
17:29:16  <norbert79> Remember Toimii's server? Desert, some cities/factories, hard level, and hard to start any kind of business
17:29:30  <norbert79> to have such server again, it would be a pleasure
17:29:58  <peter1138> i don't
17:30:13  <norbert79> I think it was back at ver 0.4.7, or 0.4.5
17:30:16  <[gen2]niki> if someone writes me a config file i can do anything
17:31:26  <norbert79> Ok, then I would like to have a soup and a big stake please
17:31:52  <peter1138> STEAK
17:31:53  <peter1138> hm
17:32:00  <norbert79> Steak, right :)
17:32:13  <[gen2]niki> isnt organic food config file = dna?
17:32:31  <Sacro> steak?
17:32:35  <norbert79> It is... You told us, you can do anything
17:32:53  <Sacro> peter1138: he might be vampire hunting after lunch
17:32:57  <[gen2]niki> i ment regarding putting a server up
17:33:05  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Aaaaaaaah! ;-)
17:34:54  <[gen2]niki> well
17:35:04  <[gen2]niki> id need toimiis config file to put something up like that
17:35:14  <[gen2]niki> or something who edits a config file for me ;p like i said
17:35:43  <norbert79> Ok, noted,don't have much time for that now... Anyway thank you in advance
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17:46:45  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Btw: what does gen2 stand for in your name?
17:48:04  <[gen2]niki> gentoo
17:48:06  <[gen2]niki> a clan
17:48:52  <[gen2]niki> we were all former gentoo users
17:48:55  <[gen2]niki> so we took the name ;p
17:49:22  <norbert79> :)
17:49:31  <helb> :))
17:49:36  * Sacro subtly takes out the gentoo user
17:49:39  <norbert79> It could also mean: Generation TWO
17:49:50  <[gen2]niki> thats why we got a rootserveer
17:50:07  <helb> <[gen2]niki> we were all former gentoo users  //Former?
17:50:09  <norbert79> Why former?
17:50:11  <[gen2]niki> but we hardly play games nowadays so i use it for basically anything
17:50:22  <[gen2]niki> iam using ubuntu now ;p
17:50:26  <norbert79> LOL
17:50:26  <helb> heh
17:50:33  <Sacro> oh god, it gets worse
17:50:39  <helb> Gentoo forever. :)
17:50:45  <norbert79> nah, it is a good choice, I like Ubuntu too...
17:50:53  <norbert79> besides
17:50:54  <[gen2]niki> gentoo is for people with too much time
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17:50:59  <norbert79> Indeed
17:51:04  <norbert79> I agree totally
17:51:08  <[gen2]niki> emerge -aud world takes years
17:51:17  <[gen2]niki> except you have like four xenons in your tower
17:51:25  <hylje> xeons
17:51:29  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: You speak from my heart
17:51:41  <hylje> but you dont generally update world
17:51:58  <norbert79> no, but lets just take a KDE update for ex.
17:52:40  <norbert79> it takes also ages...
17:53:06  <norbert79> and KDE gets updated during that time too
17:53:26  <hylje> building c++ takes ages
17:53:34  <hylje> and kde is hueg
17:53:38  <coronel> hueg!
17:53:42  <norbert79> yet faster than gnome :)
17:54:04  <norbert79> Despite I am also using Gnome, I must admit KDE is faster
17:57:20  <hylje> i use e17
17:57:58  <norbert79> hylje: Does E17 do the graphical tricks by software, or does it already support the hw, like Xgl?
17:58:01  <ln-> does there happen to be any freeware/open source train simulators for linux? something similar to ms train simulator.
17:58:14  <hylje> norbert79: its still software, but composition is on the way
17:58:38  <norbert79> hylje: Finally... If they get it composited, I will take a look...
17:58:46  <hylje> it isnt bad uncomposited
17:58:52  <hylje> its the features, ya know
17:59:03  <norbert79> hylje: Yes, still, it takes too much away from memory and CPU
17:59:11  <hylje> ricer
17:59:45  <norbert79> hylje: Why in the hell do we have "expensive" video cards, if the cards are not used?
18:00:01  <hylje> for 3d apps and games
18:00:40  <norbert79> Well, it takes much CPU away from those applications still  if you have to run a Windows-Manager by CPU only
18:00:49  <norbert79> despite the features
18:01:23  <[gen2]niki> iam using beryl, xgl and gnome
18:01:26  <[gen2]niki> wonderfull combination
18:01:30  <[gen2]niki> o.o
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18:01:59  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Yes, because it goes through the graphical card, not via the software
18:02:10  <hylje> beryl/emerald were quite buggy when i last tried them
18:02:18  <hylje> but the nvidia indirect is quite neat
18:02:27  <hylje> (that means no xgl or aiglx, foos)
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18:04:11  <[gen2]niki> i agree
18:04:16  <[gen2]niki> well it works okay now
18:04:22  <[gen2]niki> i only sometimes have problems
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18:04:37  <[gen2]niki> but i miss it every time when i have to log on wintendo for several tasks
18:04:53  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: What language settings do you use?
18:05:16  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: EN-GB? EN-US? Different one?
18:05:30  <[gen2]niki> iam german ;p
18:05:39  <norbert79> Moin moin
18:05:58  <[gen2]niki> tach nobby
18:06:15  <[gen2]niki> ;p like we would say in dortmund
18:06:51  <norbert79> Lets stick to english still, sorry (I don't want to keep the others out of the converstation)  :) Does it have any kind of problems with your keyboard? I mean I had langistic problems
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18:07:10  <norbert79> I am hungarian, and couldn't use sometimes some of the keys
18:07:14  <norbert79> I used Xgl
18:07:37  <[gen2]niki> no it worked fine :O
18:07:40  <norbert79> like öüõáéûú
18:07:48  <norbert79> all the characters? ß, ä ?
18:08:05  <glx> I don't see those chars :)
18:08:12  <[gen2]niki> äöü eééèß
18:08:14  <norbert79> hmm, I just switched to ISO
18:08:19  <norbert79> ok, back to utf
18:08:29  <norbert79> ß ä
18:08:37  <glx> better :)
18:08:40  <norbert79> K
18:09:16  <norbert79> Despite that ß isn't used anymore, did it work?
18:09:17  <[gen2]niki> btw some advertisement:
18:09:23  <[gen2]niki> go play on my [gen2]server
18:09:27  <[gen2]niki> everyone is welcome :D
18:09:48  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Btw: Niki stands for Nikole?
18:10:40  <norbert79> Does it stand for Nikole? (Having a Bad-Grammar-Full-With-Typos-Day)
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18:14:38  <[gen2]niki> no :D
18:14:39  <[gen2]niki> niklas
18:18:51  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Tought it would be better to ask first :)
18:19:33  <[gen2]niki> yes, the short form can be a girls and a boys name
18:19:43  <norbert79> Like Gabi in hungarian :)
18:20:03  <norbert79> Gabriella (woman's name) or Gábor (Man's name)
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18:24:41  <[gen2]niki> guess what happened me today
18:24:48  <[gen2]niki> my washing machine mudwater pump died
18:25:07  <[gen2]niki> :D
18:25:33  <[gen2]niki> the result: the water from the pit went into the beton
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18:27:38  <norbert79> aeeiii
18:28:13  <[gen2]niki> well
18:28:24  <[gen2]niki> it only needed to be cleaned
18:28:27  <[gen2]niki> so its fine now
18:28:33  <[gen2]niki> but hell x-x
18:28:34  <norbert79> What about the smell?
18:28:42  <norbert79> or wasn't it that bad?
18:28:44  <[gen2]niki> like hell.
18:28:47  <norbert79> lol
18:29:05  <norbert79> At last Meister Proper had it job to do
18:29:58  <norbert79> Alpenfresh, with a mix of bad smell... Hmm, smelly :)
18:30:13  <norbert79> A joy for the whole family
18:30:29  <[gen2]niki> lawl
18:30:36  <[gen2]niki> its called like that in hungary too?
18:30:47  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Probably, never used it  :)
18:30:54  <norbert79> [gen2]niki: But the name is the same
18:33:24  <[gen2]niki> fun ;p
18:35:06  <helb> It's called like that in czech too. :)
18:37:04  <[gen2]niki> hehe
18:37:27  <[gen2]niki> hmm love to logistics, trains and transport seems to be common in eastern europe :D
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18:52:45  <norbert79> I tought I live in Central Europe :)
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19:04:38  <Frostregen> hi
19:05:14  <Frostregen> is there some documentation about the newgrf codec?
19:05:53  <Sacro> Frostregen:
19:06:11  <Frostregen> what spriteGroup / spriteSet etc are?
19:06:19  <Sacro> probably
19:06:24  <DaleStan> Read the documentation.
19:06:29  <Frostregen> hmm i found only hints how to use it
19:06:43  <Frostregen> not how it works
19:06:46  <DaleStan> I found everything I needed there.
19:07:17  <Frostregen> i'm trying to add a new "feature"
19:08:22  <DaleStan> Make sure you're starting on the right page; if it's the tutorial you want, . If you want the man pagey docs,
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19:09:04  <Frostregen> thats where i looked
19:09:21  <Frostregen> maybe i need to look longer ;)
19:09:35  <DaleStan> Oh. Are you looking for docs on extending the format?
19:09:43  <Frostregen> yes
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19:11:09  <Frostregen> i'm quite sure i need a new "feature" which will be modified by the newgrfs
19:11:32  <DaleStan> They don't exist, and there's really not much too it.
19:12:13  <Frostregen> :/
19:12:54  <Frostregen> ok, no way around to fully understanding the code ;)
19:13:23  <DaleStan> Take the next feature byte (10), define its properties (start with 08 -- properties 00..07 are reserved), and define a standard action 2 format.
19:14:16  <DaleStan> "define a standard action 2 format" is often "borrow the vehicle format."
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19:14:23  <Frostregen> ok, so action 2 is it
19:14:38  <DaleStan> Optionally, add variational 2 variables and/or bits for random 2.
19:14:52  <Frostregen> its way simpler than vehicle props
19:15:19  <Frostregen> brb, thx
19:15:21  <DaleStan> Action 2 assigns cargoIDs to sprite sets  loaded by an action 1.
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19:15:50  <DaleStan> ^^ Standard action 2.
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19:42:54  <Frostregen> "sprite sets" this is a term i need to know
19:43:01  <Frostregen> as well as spriteGroup
19:43:09  <Frostregen> a bit confusing to me
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19:44:31  <DaleStan> For "sprite set", see Action1. "spriteGroup" sounds like something that came out of OpenTTD's code.
19:46:01  <Frostregen> yup, both are from code
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20:16:33  <Sacro> ;o
20:18:05  <Bjarni> !log
20:18:08  <SpComb> Logs:
20:18:08  <Bjarni> !logs
20:18:19  <DaleStan> "spriteGroup" *MIGHT* be what the wiki calls a cargoID. It also might be all the sprites loaded by an action 1/5/A/11/12
20:23:38  <Darkvater> so, thus...about newgrf changing ingame...
20:23:56  <Frostregen> hmm
20:24:05  <Darkvater> peter1138: should I rename afterloadstations to UpdateAllStationCustomGraphics or rename UpdateAllWaypointCustomGraphics to afterloadwaypoints?
20:28:56  <Darkvater> peter1138: found a small bug in the newgrf gui. newlines 0x0D 0x0A are shown as ?
20:29:45  <Darkvater> 0x0A is
20:31:03  <norbert79> See you guys next time! Good bye!
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20:35:24  <Darkvater> hmm
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20:48:37  <[gen2]niki> iam inviting everyone to play on my server
20:48:56  <[gen2]niki> its [gen2]*********** (the stars stand for: idk!)
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21:05:40  <Darkvater> wb blathijs, Rubidium
21:06:24  <Rubidium> thanks :)
21:06:56  <Darkvater> damn that 800x600 img inline limit for the forums
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21:14:52  <Skas1> hiho, I just wanted to ask, why the profit of transporting goods decreases every time a train delivers goods (now I am just making about 14.000$, some time ago I made about 45.000$ from the same route with the same train)
21:15:04  <Skas1> I am useing the newest nightly-build
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21:25:05  <Darkvater> Skas1: did it take the same amount of time?
21:34:16  <Skas1> I think so, yes
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21:41:59  <Darkvater> think so is not good :)
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21:42:26  <CIA-1> glx * r7512 /branches/MiniIN/ (23 files in 2 dirs): [MiniIN] -Sync with trunk r7496:r7511
21:44:22  <Skasi> well yes, maybe a change of some ms, but I'm sure not enought, that it should have such an impact
21:45:20  <glx> maybe inflation too
21:45:26  <Skasi> does the profit decrease, if a trains gets older?
21:46:16  <Skasi> how does the inflation-system work exactly? ^^
21:47:22  <Darkvater> just makes the numbers go up by a shitload
21:47:41  <glx> and you can have train with negative running costs :)
21:47:46  <PandaMojo> And on occasion overflow.
21:47:48  <PandaMojo> :D
21:48:57  <Darkvater> that's overflow :)
21:49:31  <Skasi> well, the trains made me rich as they started the route and they do not have negative running costs (and if so, why should the profit decrease with time?)
21:49:40  <Skasi> and what is a "shitload"? ^^°
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21:52:44  <Darkvater> exponential
21:55:16  <mikk36> yay
21:55:27  * mikk36 is a new domainname holder :)
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22:02:39  <Wolf01> what do you think about the eyecandy gui?
22:03:31  <ln-> what does it do?
22:03:39  <mikk36> erm
22:03:41  <Wolf01> nothing, is simply a gui
22:03:47  <[gen2]niki> i like it
22:03:53  <ln-> what would it do?
22:03:57  <mikk36> for placing houses and radio towers ?
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22:04:14  <Wolf01> houses, trees, buildings...
22:04:22  <Wolf01> sac's stuff
22:09:11  <[gen2]niki> i think transport tycoon should be edited that you can develop cars and trains too
22:09:15  <[gen2]niki> o.o
22:09:39  <[gen2]niki> like in rollercoaster tycoon where you can develop the new rollercoasters with science
22:10:09  <ln-> for editing transport tycoon see ttdpatch.
22:10:55  <Jango> transport tycoon is about the networks, not designing the vehicles
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22:18:24  <Skasi> hmm.. running costs do increase with inflation, right?
22:19:04  <Darkvater> yes
22:20:15  <Skasi> and does it affect the profit too?
22:20:17  <ln-> what if your country is using communism?
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22:48:12  <Darkvater> Skasi: ye
22:48:13  <Darkvater> s
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22:59:41  <Wolf01> 'night all
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