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00:00:13 <voodoo070> patience young skywalker 00:00:14 <voodoo070> :) 00:02:43 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-190-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:02:51 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 00:03:00 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 00:03:55 <Sacro> voodoo070: buh? 00:04:19 <Sacro> but i wanna pwn some stormtroopers :( 00:08:00 * tokai hates star wars 00:08:44 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-129-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:52 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:09:56 *** coronel [andreabl@login1.powertech.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:44 *** coronel [andreabl@login1.powertech.no] has joined #openttd 00:16:51 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:18:18 <MeusH> goodnight 00:18:54 *** kovan [~k@87.235.70.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18:56 *** asdfas [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 00:19:16 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 00:20:56 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8435 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Regression (r7759?): Readd aircraft.h to the project files which were added in r6644 but miracuously disappeared sometime afterwards 00:28:32 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7AB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:45 <caladan> Made a sample tutorial for railbuilding 00:30:12 <caladan> I used making screenshots with each tick and then compressed it into xvid 00:30:14 <caladan> http://home.elka.pw.edu.pl/~bbielaws/files/test.avi 00:31:15 * Bjarni decides to learn how to build railroads 00:31:39 <caladan> it's really shor, just to show it can be done 00:31:53 <caladan> encoding and uploading takes some time, you see 00:32:34 <Bjarni> 2 minutes 00:32:49 <caladan> hmm? 00:33:05 <Bjarni> the problem is that the browser didn't like it, so now I need to download it and open it with a real movie player 00:33:13 <caladan> huh 00:33:24 <caladan> normal xvid :/ 00:33:25 <Bjarni> browser fucked up 00:33:36 <caladan> and the server is apache i guess 00:34:03 <Bjarni> it started playing just fine, but when it was done, the playback stopped and I could not start it again o_O 00:34:10 <caladan> :/ 00:34:34 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-148.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:34:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-148.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:35:33 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-103-214.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:45 <Bjarni> not your fault 00:35:58 <Bjarni> anyway, I'm not sure zooming in and out is a good idea 00:36:09 <caladan> ok 00:36:18 <Bjarni> and the build and sell the wrong wagons could confuse people more than it benefits 00:36:32 <caladan> it's just for you, to check what to change and so on 00:36:37 <Bjarni> and generally, the major issue for people are signals, not the rails themselves 00:36:48 <caladan> now it's 31fps 00:37:03 <caladan> volume can be reduced if i make oit 16fps or something 00:37:20 <caladan> i mean size of file 00:37:28 <Bjarni> I know 00:37:41 <Bjarni> it's mute, so volume makes no sense to mess with ;) 00:38:58 *** Taz [~taz@5571fd21.ftth.concepts.nl] has joined #openttd 00:39:16 <caladan> i guess i'll make a patch to enable hmm, that screenshoting 00:39:23 *** asdfas is now known as Ailure 00:39:31 <Taz> hey all 00:39:36 <caladan> now i just added another switch to the command line 00:41:39 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:46 *** Taz [~taz@5571fd21.ftth.concepts.nl] has quit [] 00:43:00 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x573558c0.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 00:49:03 <caladan> it seems that 16fps look quite good too 00:49:32 <caladan> gn 00:49:48 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes, the signals are fugly 00:52:14 <Sacro> :D A BUG 00:52:20 <Sacro> IN 0.5.0-RC4 00:52:21 <Sacro> :D 00:53:54 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 00:56:35 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 01:02:30 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:57 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:19:00 *** Naksu_ [naksu@youzen.ext.b2.fi] has joined #openttd 01:19:09 *** kdr_ [materi@h-85-24-203-79.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 01:19:16 *** caladan_ [~caladan@161-be2-18.acn.waw.pl] has joined #openttd 01:19:41 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> neutron.oftc.net quits: roboman, Tino|Home, nfc, Noldo, Naksu, caladan, waxman, kdr 01:19:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: nfc, Noldo 01:24:49 *** waxman [cfluegel@dedi.luli.de] has joined #openttd 01:32:52 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FB72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:08 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D4DF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:36:19 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:39:41 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0EB24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:56 <Bjarni> Sacro: you know, you can be banned for yelling "BUG" and then not tell what it's about 01:59:56 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:04 <Sacro> Bjarni: i know :p 02:00:46 <Sacro> i want to see if you can fix it wihtout me saying what the bug is 02:00:54 * Bjarni pseudo bans Sacro 02:01:11 * Sacro pseudo hugs Bjarni 02:01:18 <Bjarni> err 02:01:57 <Bjarni> I can't fix a bug that I don't know about 02:02:32 <Sacro> well thats no good 02:05:13 <Bjarni> actually the bad person here is you because you just failed to post the mandatory bug report 02:05:27 <Sacro> i did report it 02:05:35 <Bjarni> where? 02:05:42 <Sacro> [00:52] <<Sacro>> :D A BUG 02:05:47 <Sacro> just then 02:05:51 * Bjarni slaps Sacro 02:06:04 <Bjarni> you are the worst bug report writer that I have ever seen 02:06:18 <glx> a kick would be good too :D 02:07:14 <Bjarni> Sacro: you got 15 sec to give a better bug report 02:07:34 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [times up] 02:08:00 <Bjarni> that should teach hiim 02:08:02 <Bjarni> -i 02:08:15 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 02:08:16 <Sacro> Limitation disturbs me very sprites. Goes it throw out limitation? 02:08:30 <Bjarni> not in 0.5.0 02:09:47 <Sacro> there is a newgrf clash between Born_Acorn's buffers facing south and east, when maglev is selected, and the Zeppelin on Pikkas AV8 02:10:06 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:10:29 <Bjarni> and what do you want me to do about that? 02:10:41 <Bjarni> it's clearly an issue with those two grf files 02:10:51 <Sacro> well im trying to get a ttdp person to see if it is 02:10:54 <Sacro> or if it isnt 02:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause> limitation disturbs me very bandwidth... 02:23:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but i 02:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid if i ask t-offline if they can up the bandwidth, they're gonna tell me it should not have been working at all 02:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there have been precidence cases of that 02:29:08 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76F9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:35:03 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@89.98.191.129] has joined #openttd 02:38:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B761A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> limitation disturbs me very online time... 02:50:55 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:27:59 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:27:59 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:58 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D4DF.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:53:54 *** dp_ [~dp@p54B2E461.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:58:28 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:00:56 *** dp [~dp@p54B2E986.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:01:26 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:05:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D4DF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:11:48 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@89.98.191.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:26:14 *** roboman is now known as roboboy 05:08:18 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:29:20 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:46:00 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3D99E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:51:51 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F356.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:17:28 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:51 *** Jor [~Jorsis@200.93.151.15] has joined #openttd 06:27:55 <Jor> startkeylogger 06:27:57 <Jor> DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 06:27:57 *** Someone [~Someone@cc75806-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:57 *** Blowfish [~TeeBee@195.204.107.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:57 <Jor> keylogger 06:28:09 *** Jor [~Jorsis@200.93.151.15] has left #openttd [Leaving] 06:28:20 *** Blowfish [~TeeBee@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 06:41:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf? 06:51:37 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 06:52:53 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:49 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:02:52 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-160-224.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:03:34 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-148.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ThePizzaKing_))] 07:03:43 *** ThePizzaKing_ is now known as ThePizzaKing 07:17:02 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 07:27:09 <ln-> -17.5 °C 07:33:02 <Triffid_Hunter> Eddi|zuHause2: broken dcc nat helper in some routers, that line causes instant disconnect 07:33:28 <Sacro_> hehehehe 07:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> Triffid_Hunter: yeah, that i know 07:33:38 <Sacro_> makes for a fun quit message... 07:33:43 * Sacro_ gets g-lined on freenode 07:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> i just wondered why a kiddie would join exactly here and try that 07:34:30 <Triffid_Hunter> same reason they do it at all I suppose 07:35:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> let's just say that wasn't exactly what i was expecting to see when i checked for new messages :p 07:42:21 <ln-> i've dropped five screen+irssi users from a channel simply with one character: - (the unicode 'en dash') 07:43:31 <ln-> which was an attempt to find out why it happens to some but not all, and not even again for the same ones. the common factor was screen being running on Solaris. 07:44:20 <hylje> :o 07:46:52 <Triffid_Hunter> lol 07:51:21 <caladan_> huh, five users were using solaris, strange :D 07:51:21 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51:46 *** caladan_ is now known as caladan 07:53:10 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 08:08:41 <MiHaMiX> gm 08:17:07 <ln-> caladan: what's strange about solaris? 08:20:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 08:21:24 *** MiHaMiX changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.0-RC4 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs) 08:21:33 <MiHaMiX> All services are up and running again 08:21:51 <MiHaMiX> wiki software has been upgraded 08:22:11 <MiHaMiX> </administrative-notices> 08:27:35 <caladan> ln-: it sometimes acts strange, has strange compiliers and so on 08:33:58 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 08:34:10 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:34:37 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 08:35:20 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:44:26 <blathijs> Darkvater: I think I did something with freetype, though I might have forgotten to include it in my building changeroots 08:49:03 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3D99E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 08:53:26 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489DE68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:55 <ln-> oh no, tron has quit. 08:59:53 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:04 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3D99E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:11 *** aj_ [~aj@212.241.231.3] has joined #openttd 09:12:51 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:12:59 <Tron> svn: Can't close file '/home/openttd/svn/db/transactions/8435-1.txn/node.0.0': No space left on device 09:13:03 <Tron> NOT good 09:14:48 <blathijs> Tron: I've told TL 09:15:05 *** ajmiles [~aj@212.241.231.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:18 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:18:48 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:28 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:22:17 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 09:22:22 <MeusH> ello 09:22:44 <aj_> blathijs, am i right in understanding the underlying implementation of the road/rail networks is 2D in openttd? 09:23:07 *** aj_ is now known as ajmiles 09:24:13 <MeusH> !stats 09:24:15 <_42_> MeusH: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 09:24:16 <MeusH> !log 09:24:18 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 09:24:18 <MeusH> !logs 09:24:39 <Ailure> 9th most active nick 09:24:40 <Ailure> wohoo 09:24:43 <Ailure> e-penis wave 09:25:21 <MeusH> D: 09:25:31 <Ailure> Bjarni is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 36 times. 09:25:32 <Ailure> For example, like this: 09:25:32 <Ailure> * Bjarni slaps Ailure 09:25:32 <Ailure> Darkvater can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 21 times. 09:25:33 <Ailure> lol 09:26:12 <Ailure> lol 09:26:22 <Ailure> and the most referenced nick is "i" 09:26:31 <Ailure> I love how references can get skewed by someone changing nick as a joke 09:27:05 <MeusH> Bjarni! 09:27:17 <Ailure> Ailure talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 174 times! 09:27:17 <Ailure> Another lonely one was Darkvater, who managed to hit 133 times. 09:27:20 <Ailure> D: 09:27:24 <MeusH> Bjarni spoke a total of 166663 words! 09:27:26 <MeusH> evil devil! 09:27:29 <Ailure> yeah 09:27:44 *** MeusH is now known as there 09:27:47 <there> lol 09:27:51 <there> there 09:27:54 <there> ! stats 09:27:56 <there> !stats 09:27:57 <_42_> there: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 09:28:00 *** there is now known as MeusH 09:28:20 <Ailure> it needs to get refreshed first 09:28:26 <Ailure> gonna be intresting when it does 09:30:57 <MeusH> brb 09:31:09 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH|afk 09:34:19 <Darkvater> morning 09:34:21 <Darkvater> peter1138: ping? 09:36:20 <Tron> ajmiles: the map is 2D with shortcuts (i.e. tunnels and bridges) 09:36:23 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37:46 *** ufoun-- [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:41:55 <ajmiles> Tron, is the network essentially a graph, nodes and paths? 09:43:23 <Tron> well, conceptually it is a non-planar (due to the shortcuts) (di - if you use unidirectional signals -)graph 09:43:36 <Tron> but there is no explicit represantation as a graph 09:43:56 <Tron> you have the big map array _m, which holds the tiles 09:44:24 <Tron> and some tiles are interpreted as traversable for road and rail vehicles 09:45:31 <ajmiles> would the representation support multiple nodes on a single tile, ie, raised road/rail junctions or underground nodes? 09:45:55 <ajmiles> because as i see it in openttd you can't ever have a corner above/below any other corner/junction, which is what lets you make it 2D? 09:45:59 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 09:46:41 <Tron> the map is 2D, period 09:46:49 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D736.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:40 <ajmiles> right, and is that what led to issues with tunnels crossing over one another (iirc) ? 09:48:00 <Tron> pardon? 09:48:14 <ajmiles> was there not some bug with tunnels crossing over another? 09:48:18 <ajmiles> at one point... 09:49:16 <Tron> there were multiple bugs, but they are caused by another anomaly 09:49:28 <Tron> you can ask a tile which tracks it has 09:49:57 <Tron> and a tunnel answers "you can go from SW to NE" (of course the answer depends on the direction of the tunnel) 09:49:59 <Tron> which is BS 09:50:32 <Tron> if you enter a tunnel tile from SW you don't end up on the tile to the NE of it 09:51:02 <Tron> and you cannot enter the tunnel tile from the NE at all (the answer has no direction, it just states the existence of a connection) 09:51:36 <ln-> are there plans in foreseeable future to allow building tracks underground? (i.e. really tracks that can change direction and can have signals, not just teleports like now) 09:51:37 <Tron> this leads to problems if the information isn't handled with a special case 09:52:30 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D736.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:52:30 <ajmiles> ln-, that's what i'm trying to take into account when writing my road/rail network code, and i think i'm going to write it as a 3D network to at least allow for that (and tunnels/bridges) 09:52:42 <Tron> imo the better approach would be to change the answer for tunnels tiles (as well as bridges, road/rail depots and bus/truck stops) to "there is no way to enter the tile from one side and leave at another" 09:53:18 <Tron> special casing is needed anyway, but this way the answer is conservative and it should reduce the number of special cases 09:53:38 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D736.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:43 <nairan> =) 09:54:06 <Tron> well, if you design your map 3D - voxels - you have no problem for bridges and tunnels at all 09:54:21 <nairan> from mirc 6.12 -> 6.21 09:54:44 <ajmiles> allowing bridges to cross over each other would be fairly straightforward too 09:54:55 <ajmiles> assuming it was thought to be "realistic" 09:55:07 <Tron> this is no technical problem either now 09:55:19 <Tron> it just looks bad 09:55:28 <ajmiles> in a sprite based environment you mean? 09:55:28 <Tron> remember: one height level is 8 (!) pixels 09:55:40 <Tron> now check how high your average bridge graphics is 09:55:52 <Tron> tallest ones are 48 pixels 09:55:55 <ajmiles> heh 09:55:58 <Tron> i.e. 6 height levels 09:57:01 <Tron> you just need to change a few lines to allow (perpendicular) crossing bridges 09:57:28 <ajmiles> same goes for bridges that run in the same direction on the same tiles? 09:57:36 <Tron> which reminds me that somebody is still acting like a diva 09:57:44 <Tron> this is not possible 09:57:56 <Tron> there is one bit for "X bridge above" and one for "Y bridge above" 09:58:04 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:58:42 <Tron> when it comes to drawing bridges the end of the bridge(s) above get searched to get the necessary information to draw them 09:58:52 <Tron> this means height and bridge type 09:59:59 <Tron> well, technically you could have multiple bridges above each other (just like tunnels, but the other way round, i.e. a higher bridge is longer instead of a higher tunnel ist shorter) 10:00:06 <Tron> but drawing them would get really messy 10:00:39 <Tron> because you don't know when to stop searching for bridge ends, which means in the extreme case you search till you hit the end of the map 10:00:58 <Tron> actually you have to search both bridge ends to be able to draw a bridge tile 10:01:01 <Tron> breakfast 10:01:09 <ajmiles> heh 10:01:19 <ajmiles> beat you to that one :) 10:03:27 *** MeusH|afk is now known as MeusH 10:06:07 <peter1138> wibble 10:08:57 <Tron> re 10:09:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8436 /trunk/src/ (6 files): 10:09:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 10:09:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: When linking the terraform toolbar to the build toolbars place them side by side instead of on top of each other 10:09:56 *** pecisk [~pecisk@91.123.69.54] has joined #openttd 10:11:34 <imaginner> yaaaay 10:11:58 <imaginner> I finally managed to compile OTTD with MSVC 2005 10:17:48 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:29 <guru3> anyone here ever heard of Armagetron? 10:19:49 <Ailure> hmm 10:20:14 <peter1138> yyeah 10:20:25 <guru3> how did you first hear about it? 10:20:48 <peter1138> no idea 10:21:00 <guru3> would you say it's fair to delete it off of wikipedia? 10:21:06 <guru3> cause someone has put it up for deletion :/ 10:21:09 <Triffid_Hunter> guru3: I play armagetronad sometimes 10:21:35 <Triffid_Hunter> or is that something different? 10:21:45 <guru3> same thing 10:22:54 <SpComb> "You get points for core dumping an opponent (make him hit your trail)" <--- is this from some early version of such a game that segfaulted if you hit a trail? 10:23:26 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:23:42 <guru3> not exactly 10:23:50 <guru3> core dumping is the tron term for killing someone 10:24:34 <caladan> it's all about that old Tron movie :D 10:24:48 <peter1138> no 10:24:48 <SpComb> it would have been more fun if there was some bug in the game that caused that 10:24:53 <caladan> you should watch it to know what it's all about 10:24:59 <peter1138> it's all about one tiny part of tron 10:25:58 <caladan> screenshots generated in png format have how many colours? 10:26:00 <caladan> 768?? 10:26:18 <peter1138> depends what generated them 10:26:23 *** Maedhros [~jc@smtp.gentoo.org] has joined #openttd 10:26:25 <caladan> openttd :D 10:26:29 <peter1138> well, 256 then 10:26:35 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76F9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76F9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:50 <caladan> hmm, ok, then my tools screw something up ;] 10:27:11 <peter1138> there are no 9.5 bit displays, as far as i know... 10:27:16 <guru3> lol 10:27:46 <caladan> it can all be packed so thet franctions arent impossible 10:27:49 <Maedhros> morning 10:28:47 *** ufoun-- [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: ufoun--] 10:29:01 <SpComb> ufoun---- 10:36:10 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@89.98.191.129] has joined #openttd 10:48:39 <caladan> it seems that xvid is better for tutorials than flash... 11:23:56 *** Blowfish [~TeeBee@195.204.107.4] has quit [Quit: brb] 11:31:20 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 11:33:55 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-224.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:34:07 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-224.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:36:39 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:39:04 <peter1138> Tron: hmm, that linked terraform toolbar change gives strangeness when opening 11:39:55 <Tron> ? 11:41:21 <peter1138> ah, it changes the parent's position without marking the screen dirty 11:41:26 <peter1138> (or window) 11:41:44 <peter1138> then it gets redrawn when the white border is done 11:47:06 <izhirahider> In the "Detailed Performance Rating" window, what exactly "Min. Profit" means? I.e, what can I do specifically to increase it? Everything else is high except this entry... 11:50:39 <Ailure> It looks for the vehicle with the minium profit 11:50:44 <Ailure> and see how high it is 11:50:51 <Ailure> it needs to be above a certain amount 11:51:04 <Ailure> but yeah, that's probably the most flawed part of the perfomance rating calculation 11:52:59 <caladan> what fps for tutorial would be ok? 11:53:33 <izhirahider> ah, ok, so reduce the vehicles with less profit, thanks 11:55:55 <Ailure> caladan 11:55:58 <Ailure> 15 might work well 11:56:12 <Ailure> anything lower than that might be annoying to look at 11:57:23 <caladan> hmm, ok, ill make it 16 11:57:34 <caladan> now im fighting with the size of file... 11:57:46 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@89.98.137.93] has joined #openttd 11:58:31 <caladan> now res is 640x494, and thats more than standard movie, should that be reduced too? 11:59:50 <Ailure> should be about the same as the standard resolution of openTTD 12:00:02 <Ailure> you might have recorded it with titlebar, which is kinda unecessary thing to have :p 12:00:05 <caladan> of, you see, then it gets really big 12:00:19 <Ailure> making it any smaller would make stuff hard to see 12:00:23 <caladan> it;s just with full toolbar 12:00:40 <caladan> at width, and aspect ratio is more-less kept 12:01:13 <Ailure> personally I think going any smaller than 640x480 would make it hard to make out stuff 12:02:32 <caladan> yep, i agree 12:02:47 <caladan> now im doing third encoding of almost 7min video 12:02:50 <caladan> at 16fps 12:02:55 <caladan> thou size is like 80MBs :/ 12:03:48 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@89.98.191.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:48 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 12:04:54 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:11:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C546.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:34 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 12:14:46 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [] 12:19:18 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 12:20:36 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 12:22:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host97-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:23:01 <Wolf01> ello 12:23:12 <peter1138> who's afraid 12:26:24 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 12:30:04 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Koncim... www.hrada.info] 12:30:10 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 12:32:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> <caladan> now res is 640x494, and thats more than standard movie, should that be reduced too? <- what do you mean more? PAL (standard TV resolution in most of europe) is 768x576 12:33:48 <peter1138> never mind that it doesn't have a resolution 12:33:49 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:02 <ln-> interlaced 12:34:02 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:02 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [] 12:35:08 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 12:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> peter1138: ? 12:35:20 <peter1138> pal is 576 visible lines 12:35:31 <peter1138> across is irrelevent 12:35:46 <peter1138> digital sources tend to be 720 pixels 12:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, yes, but if you assume square pixels, this would result in 768 12:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> i've also seen digital sources with 480 pixels 12:39:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it all gets streched to 4:3 ratio 12:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> in rarer cases to 16:9 12:41:48 <ln-> what's the preferred method for outputting _interlaced_ picture from PC to TV nowadays? that is, e.g. PAL-sized MPEG2 material. 12:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> (in that case it would be 1024x576) 12:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: i have never tried that 12:45:12 <ln-> e.g. the good old H+/DXR3 DVD decoder card has excellent s-video output, but those are only available through ebay and the like. 12:46:54 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:33 <ln-> and i suppose tv-outs of regular display adapters are not capable of interlaced picture and/or picture with the correct resolution. (without any scaling) 12:47:35 <peter1138> just make an interlaced modeline for X :) 12:47:50 <ln-> well yeah, someone suggested that.. yet to be tested. 12:47:55 <peter1138> it works 12:49:00 <Born_Acorn> MiHaMiX: it looks like we lost the upload feature during the update! D: 12:49:16 <peter1138> during the WAR 12:50:00 <Born_Acorn> Of 3532? 12:50:10 <peter1138> yes, that one 12:52:44 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 12:56:54 <MiHaMiX> Born_Acorn: err... yeah, really 12:57:19 <MiHaMiX> Born_Acorn: i'll fix it after lunch, or is it really that urgent? 12:57:43 <Born_Acorn> Not reallu 12:57:47 <Born_Acorn> Just letting you know 12:57:57 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:59:21 <MiHaMiX> Born_Acorn: ok, enabled :) 12:59:25 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:27 <MiHaMiX> Born_Acorn: it's enabled again 12:59:30 <MiHaMiX> bbl, lunch :) 13:06:13 <Born_Acorn> woo 13:07:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8437 /trunk/src/network/ (core/udp.h network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: move often duplicated (in MSU) define to the udp header. 13:08:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8438 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/ (masterserver/udp.cpp updater/udp.cpp): [MSU] -Codechange: remove duplication of define (see r8437) 13:09:21 <roboboy> gnight 13:09:33 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176102070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:11:13 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@89.98.137.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8439 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/ (masterserver/udp.cpp shared/mysql.cpp): [MSU] -Codechange: be more consequent with respect to where variables are declared. 13:18:51 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 13:19:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8440 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/masterserver/udp.cpp: [MSU] -Fix: memory leak when receiving an unregister request when a registration (for the same game server) is still pending. 13:20:02 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-163.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:21:36 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:21:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 13:22:20 <peter1138> b b b bjarni 13:22:42 <Bjarni> p p p peter1138 13:22:59 <Bjarni> just the guy I was looking for 13:23:04 <Bjarni> sort of 13:24:00 <Bjarni> eventually autoreplace will need to consider certain "limitations" of newgrf, like not adding all kinds of wagons to ICE 13:24:00 <Magus_X> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFt9Dp2nGYk rofl 13:24:06 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 13:24:23 <Bjarni> but... I have no idea how to do that :( 13:24:35 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:26:08 <peter1138> pretty crap 13:26:49 <Bjarni> I hope you replied that to Magus_X and not me 13:26:54 <peter1138> yes 13:26:58 <Magus_X> lol 13:27:01 <Magus_X> ^^ 13:27:19 <Bjarni> well 13:27:41 <Bjarni> how do you figure out if certain vehicles can be put together? 13:27:49 <peter1138> by trying, heh 13:27:53 <Bjarni> before you build them 13:27:57 <peter1138> we could check the grf's autoreplace set up 13:28:19 <Bjarni> I don't want to do that 13:28:24 <peter1138> but that would probably limit it too much 13:28:25 <SpComb> do it in a try { } catch block! 13:28:41 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x57355abe.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:29:57 <Bjarni> hmm 13:30:30 <Bjarni> can I build vehicles in try {} catch and then if it fails (like they are build, but can't be joined), it will undo the actions? 13:30:59 <SpComb> no, you leave the game in an inconsistent state and blame the user 13:31:23 <peter1138> you need BEGIN and COMMIT / ROLLBACK 13:31:37 <peter1138> let's store the game state in sql 13:31:42 <SpComb> re-implement OpenTTD using sqlite for state? 13:31:57 <SpComb> and then replace the network protocol with sql queries 13:31:59 <Bjarni> I think this is getting out of scope of my current patch 13:32:04 <Bjarni> it looks somewhat big 13:32:30 <peter1138> Bjarni: problem is the grf can reject adding a wagon depending on what else is attached to the train 13:32:46 <Bjarni> hmm 13:32:47 <SpComb> I think my blame-the-user one is relatively simple to implement 13:33:08 <peter1138> and a problem with dbsetxl is it doesn't use the rejection system, but relies on the user obeying the restrictions 13:33:14 <peter1138> (with the STOP and MORE wagons) 13:33:24 <peter1138> of course, autoreplace doesn't see them, heh 13:33:31 <peter1138> == boom crashed game 13:34:39 <Wolf01> is possible to add the transparency patch to trunk? i'm annoyed to keep it updated without any change 13:34:57 <Bjarni> I think I will just finish my GUI changes and then figure out some of that test, then commit thing 13:36:59 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Koncim... www.hrada.info] 13:37:08 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 13:39:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:42:40 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83E70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84A8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:44:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:45:39 <Magus_X> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bPMwAHdJCg&mode=related&search= LMAO 13:45:55 <XeryusTC> does anyone know what the id of sprite 407 in trghr.grf is in (O)TTD(P) 13:47:50 <XeryusTC> ? 13:49:08 <Rubidium> is it really used in OTTD? 13:51:09 <peter1138> yes 13:51:21 <XeryusTC> it's a desert sprite 13:51:33 <Rubidium> though probably something like "number of sprites in trg1r.grf + number of sprites in trgir.grf + 407" 13:51:48 <peter1138> no, it's indexed 13:51:59 <peter1138> so... good luck :) 13:52:35 <XeryusTC> isn't there something like an x offset for every file? 13:58:17 <peter1138> heh, 0x40D 14:01:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8441 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Add: some missing (doxygen) comments 14:03:17 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 14:03:49 <XeryusTC> peter1138: is that the offset or the id? 14:03:57 <peter1138> id 14:04:04 <XeryusTC> ok 14:04:06 <XeryusTC> ty :) 14:04:21 <peter1138> might be wrong though ;p 14:05:41 <XeryusTC> it is wrong :P 14:05:50 <XeryusTC> it is some empty sprite :( 14:06:33 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h209229.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:08 <caladan> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ICtz8thli64 14:11:15 <caladan> http://youtube.com/watch?v=C6YTxSDjxvk 14:11:28 <caladan> unfortunatelly it has awful quality 14:11:51 * XeryusTC will take Rubidiums approach 14:11:51 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:08 <caladan> so is someone wants to check that in full res i made it it's here: http://home.elka.pw.edu.pl/~bbielaws/openttd/nopre.avi 14:14:14 <caladan> and here: http://home.elka.pw.edu.pl/~bbielaws/openttd/pre.avi 14:14:18 <caladan> 600kB and 2MB 14:16:28 <MiHaMiX> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ3AcPEPbH0 <-- this simply rocks 14:23:54 <caladan> huh, nice :-) Most of job is mechanic side of all that 14:26:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:30:02 <izhirahider> caladan, nice videos 14:30:20 <MeusH> caladan, you should consider adding visible text messages 14:30:25 <caladan> those in avi are far better 14:30:31 <MeusH> like big "there are no presignals. this is bad" 14:30:55 <caladan> No problem, just few minutes with imagemagick :LD 14:31:05 <MeusH> and some zoom at the junction 14:31:09 <caladan> did you check youtube or those avis? 14:31:15 <MeusH> youtube 14:31:18 <caladan> check avis 14:31:20 <MeusH> so that I can clearly see what signals are these 14:31:44 <izhirahider> caladan, what did you use to record? xvidcap? 14:31:47 <caladan> youtube suxx - they changed to lower res 14:31:57 <caladan> nope, changed openttd to dump screenshots 14:32:03 <caladan> and then used transcode 14:32:25 <caladan> no i just press ctrl+r to start and stop "recording" :D 14:32:35 <caladan> and then just choose frames and run one script 14:34:36 <caladan> izhirahider: xvidcap can do no more than 5fps with my machine, so i had to do it a little around 14:35:16 *** pecisk [~pecisk@91.123.69.54] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 14:39:34 <izhirahider> I see 14:41:45 <izhirahider> caladan, you made a patch? 14:42:36 <caladan> not yet 14:42:46 <caladan> gonna clean it up a little if anyone needs that 14:45:03 <caladan> izhirahider: did you check avi? 14:49:47 <izhirahider> yes 14:58:57 *** pecisk [~pecisk@91.123.69.54] has joined #openttd 15:03:28 <imaginner> what is the best way to deploy a tcl\tk app on Windows? How to pack it up so that wish interpreter and libs come with the download? 15:07:30 *** ceji [~ceji@238.74.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 15:15:11 <caladan> izhirahider: would you like to have that patch? 15:15:41 <McHawk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwh1MWg1LLA 15:22:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 15:34:05 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 15:34:15 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@h157006.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:35:51 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:18 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h209229.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:19 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 15:42:27 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:17 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC56F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:01 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 15:46:05 <Gorre> morning. 15:46:24 <Wolf01> evening 15:46:47 <bubersson> midday 15:47:39 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc74.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 15:48:20 <XeryusTC> pecisk, Rubidium, eis_os made a solution for my problem: http://www.bytetransfer.de/projects/ttdpatch/docs/spriteidmapping.php :) 15:48:54 <peter1138> http://bash.org/?721016 15:49:16 <peter1138> ... 15:49:21 <peter1138> it gives 1037 15:49:24 <peter1138> which is what i said 15:51:08 <caladan> hmm, is there any wrapper for time() in openttd? 15:51:53 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc74.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:53:09 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:00:03 <caladan> Diff to enable serial screenshots for maing tutorial videos 16:00:11 <caladan> Against newest scn ver 16:00:12 <caladan> http://salo.ath.cx/files/openttd/openttd_serial_screenshot.diff 16:01:17 <izhirahider> caladan, thanks 16:01:36 <MeusH> caladan, what's _tutorial_mode? 16:02:11 <caladan> variable showing in which state game is 16:02:32 <caladan> 2 means mode enabled, 3 means recording 16:02:44 <MeusH> what does enabled mean? 16:02:47 <MeusH> and what's 1? 16:02:53 <caladan> 1 is nothing :D 16:02:58 <caladan> it works on bits 16:03:08 <caladan> if you run openttd -T 16:03:24 <caladan> it enables taking that serial screenshots 16:03:38 <MeusH> aha :) clever 16:03:38 <caladan> then in game ctrl+r to start/stop recording 16:03:56 <caladan> you see, start stop code is just _tutorial_mode ^= 1 :D 16:05:00 <caladan> beware, it generates *many* files 16:06:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:06:10 <MeusH> can one set the fps amount? 16:06:13 <caladan> 1 frame in 640x480 mode is 80kB, then 1s is 1.2MB (16fps) 16:06:17 <caladan> nope 16:06:22 <caladan> but that can be easily changed 16:06:25 <caladan> 16/33 16:06:57 <caladan> don't think it's really needed 16:08:09 <caladan> and now encoding script 16:08:21 <caladan> http://salo.ath.cx/files/openttd/encode 16:08:28 <caladan> just setup proper paths 16:09:47 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has left #openttd [] 16:10:13 <peter1138> if you were being really clever, you'd just save the dirty blocks 16:11:10 <caladan> hmm, i dont know how it really works inside 16:11:20 <caladan> and i guess that encoding takes care of that anyway 16:11:37 <caladan> i compress it with more than one pass 16:18:40 <XeryusTC> keyframes! 16:19:37 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 16:19:43 <caladan> well, i guess that's how xvid works 16:19:57 <caladan> 350 frames are compressed to 600kB 16:21:56 <MeusH> do you know how can I add ranges in OpenOffice Calc? 16:21:58 <MeusH> =COUNTIF((K7:L20)(K22:K24);"n/a") 16:22:02 <MeusH> this doesn't work 16:22:14 <MeusH> there are two ranges, K7:L20 and K22:K24 16:22:17 <MeusH> how to add them? 16:22:33 <MeusH> I just totally forgot :/ 16:23:11 <caladan> SUM 16:23:20 *** pecisk [~pecisk@91.123.69.54] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 16:25:07 <MeusH> thanks caladan 16:29:04 *** imaginner [~imaginner@aclf61.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 16:29:25 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x57355abe.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 16:30:34 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 16:39:15 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0DEFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:39 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:46:00 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FB72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:42 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 16:50:28 <Wolf01> good work caladan, excellent to track bugs and to learn something, but i still prefer TTDX ingame tutorial, where you see how to build things and then you can play wit it 16:51:28 <caladan> hmm, i could do that, and really that was already made 16:51:36 <caladan> at forums there's a post about it 16:51:55 <caladan> so if needed that can be integrated into OTTD 16:52:44 <caladan> i wanted to do something like that, just event catching and writing and then "emulating" events from file 16:54:32 <Wolf01> this may be usefull for Brianetta's server, to make short scenes (10-30 seconds) from various localities :D 16:55:31 <caladan> you can set lower framerate, now it is 16fps 16:55:40 <caladan> if you make like 5fps it's quite small 16:55:44 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 16:56:26 <caladan> and i can work to do that event-driven tutorials, but that's far more work than these few hours of experimenting 16:58:51 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@h157006.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:36 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:43 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:10 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 17:10:06 *** ceji [~ceji@238.74.202.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:20 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E0BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:41 *** pecisk [~pecisk@91.123.69.54] has joined #openttd 17:26:36 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0DEFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: egladil * r8442 /branches/32bpp/ (91 files in 6 dirs): [32bpp] -Sync r1000:7181 from trunk. 17:31:27 <egladil_ibook> note too self: when reusing an old commit message, make sure that you replace the right digit 17:36:28 <Sacro> egladil_ibook: thats a big sync 17:37:12 <egladil_ibook> actually, it was only r7100:7181 17:38:51 *** egladil_ibook is now known as egladil 17:40:13 <Digitalfox> egladil: Trying to sync 32bpp to trunk now or just a small sync 17:40:29 <Wolf01> mmmh i need some and signals 17:41:04 <glx> Digitalfox: r7182 is utf8 merge :) 17:42:05 <egladil> yeah 17:42:14 <egladil> and the plan was to at least get that done today :) 17:43:30 *** chu_ [~chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 17:43:30 <chu_> hi 17:43:40 <Tron> moin 17:44:05 <chu_> what do you think of this junction? http://www.tt-forums.net//files/kreuzung_139.png 17:44:43 <hylje> merge before split 17:45:52 <chu_> hylje: -verbose please ;-) 17:46:51 <chu_> i posted an explanation to the junction in the forums: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=546962 17:48:43 <peter1138> hello tron 17:49:04 <Tron> i was here all the time (: 17:49:28 <peter1138> :) 17:49:31 <peter1138> i wasnt ;) 17:49:38 <Tron> learning HPS (Höhere Programmiersprachen, higher programming languages) 17:49:42 <peter1138> just bunged stuff in the oven for dinner 17:50:07 <hylje> chu_: trains join the ring before the ring splits. its a roundabout 17:50:36 <hylje> chu_: also the ring has loooong signalblocks 17:54:49 <chu_> hylje: yes. it's a roundabout 17:54:54 <chu_> is this bad? 17:55:07 <hylje> it chokes way easily 17:55:38 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F0ED3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:55:44 <chu_> i try to avoid congestion with the pre-signal-placement on the ramps to the lower level 18:02:28 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:10:38 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:10:55 *** Maedhros [~jc@smtp.gentoo.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:11:01 *** pecisk [~pecisk@91.123.69.54] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 18:11:23 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:36 <Sacro> hmm, the latest PPC TTD is at R3397 18:23:19 <Sacro> !openttd commit 3397 18:23:21 <_42_> Commit by peter1138 :: r3397 /trunk/newgrf.c (2006-01-13 18:40:39 UTC) 18:23:23 <_42_> - NewGRF fix: Show nfo sprite number instead of current sprite id for warning messages -- this makes this output more useful... 18:23:39 <Sacro> ooh that might be a year old version 18:23:43 <Sacro> and nobody has updated the readme 18:23:57 <peter1138> heh 18:24:28 <Sacro> :o snooker table on bullseye 18:25:40 <Sacro> according to the readme, its done from 0.4.7 18:31:19 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 18:37:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8443 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt danish.txt korean.txt turkish.txt): 18:37:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-01-28 19:36:45 18:37:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 4 fixed by Hadez (4) 18:37:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 1 changed by MiR (1) 18:37:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 3 changed by darkttd (3) 18:37:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: turkish - 4 fixed by jnmbk (4) 18:39:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5243.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8444 /trunk/src/lang/russian.txt: -Fix: [Translations] Fixes from russian translator Quark 19:02:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C546.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:13 *** chu_ [~chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:15:36 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:14 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@p549F0ED3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:18 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F0ED3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 19:26:19 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 19:40:06 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83.65.232.0] has joined #openttd 19:43:50 *** peter_ [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:13 *** peter1138 is now known as petertest 19:44:16 *** peter_ is now known as peter1138 19:44:24 *** peter1138 is now known as peter1138_gone 19:44:29 *** peter1138_gone is now known as peter1138 20:05:06 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:09:17 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@81.168.42.191] has joined #openttd 20:13:19 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 20:15:35 <_Ben_> hi, I gotta quick question if someone wants a bash at answering it.. Can png hieghtmaps use the alpha layer for anything? 20:17:25 <Rubidium> no, the alpha layer is not used at all 20:18:19 <_Ben_> Rubidium: Is that for a particuallar reason, or has it just not been done? 20:21:08 <Rubidium> it has not been done and I wouldn't know why the alpha layer would be used at all 20:22:36 <_Ben_> Rubidium: I asumed it would be helpful for placing water, becuase a black area may just be low lieing, but not water. 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This can solve crashes when a game is loaded with missing GRF's 21:54:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8449 /trunk/src/ (station.cpp station.h station_cmd.cpp): 21:54:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 21:54:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Remove the superfluous attribute RoadStop::prev 21:55:58 * peter1138 ponders taking the card back. 21:56:10 <peter1138> Technically it "shouldn't work" with my laptop anyway... 21:58:43 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:36 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C3EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:11:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8450 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: unify command line option parsing 22:13:30 <Tron> is anybody here compiling OTTD on Cygwin? 22:13:50 <Neonox> yes :) 22:13:55 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-163.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:05 <Tron> nicht du, Held ^^ 22:14:10 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:14:17 <Neonox> :) 22:15:26 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 22:22:21 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-163.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 22:24:31 *** peter1138 is now known as peter1138_gone 22:24:37 *** petertest is now known as peter1138 22:24:41 *** peter1138_gone [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0] 22:33:43 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8451 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/shared/mysql.cpp: [MSU] -Codechange: update 'last_online' when making a server online and set 'created' when making a server online for the first time. 22:37:41 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C3EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [bin wech....] 22:42:43 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176121222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:46:28 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F0ED3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8452 /branches/masterserver_updater/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Add: Doxyfile (for doxygen) and some documentation about the (global) design and the used database structure. 22:53:32 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:02:10 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 23:02:24 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 23:08:12 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C9EF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:12:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C546.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:53 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x57355abe.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 23:15:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D4DF.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:30 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: I'm gone, bye bye :)] 23:18:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: egladil * r8453 /branches/32bpp/ (43 files in 6 dirs): [32bpp] -Sync r7181:7182 from trunk. (utf8) 23:19:28 <Wolf01> yeah, good work egladil :) 23:20:16 <Digitalfox> Nice egladil :) 23:20:20 <egladil> :) 23:21:02 <egladil> it would have been commited hours ago if it wasn't for my working dir screwing itself up and causing colour corruptions 23:21:15 <egladil> which went away when moving to a new dir 23:21:27 <Digitalfox> egladil: Going to try any more sync today? 23:22:00 <egladil> maybe a little, if there are not to many conflicts coming up 23:22:05 <Digitalfox> ok 23:22:12 <Digitalfox> keep the godd work :) 23:22:16 <Digitalfox> good 23:26:48 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D736.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:44 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F428.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:44 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:38:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: egladil * r8454 /branches/32bpp/ (68 files in 7 dirs): [32bpp] -Sync r7182:7200 from trunk. 23:39:16 <egladil> hehe, now he just missed it by five minutes :) 23:40:02 <Wolf01> you synced with the makefile rewrite? 23:40:18 <Wolf01> or was it before? 23:40:27 <Wolf01> (before utf-8) 23:40:27 <egladil> thats later 23:40:35 <egladil> haven't gotten there yet 23:40:50 <Wolf01> i'll wish you a easy sync :) 23:40:53 <egladil> but that is a task for another day as i'm off to bed 23:40:55 <egladil> thanks :) 23:43:11 *** Magus_X [t7DS@201-14-215-99.pltce7005.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:19 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving]