Log for #openttd on 2nd February 2007:
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00:00:02  <caladan> Eddi|zuHause: it's like basic, then to be specialist and then some practice...
00:00:38  <Bjarni> basically you need to know them when you need it, not to look them up when you see them, because then you are out of time
00:00:39  <Eddi|zuHause> i think the specialisation is included there, and "practice" has been abolished, i think
00:00:56  <caladan> not in poland...
00:01:23  <Bjarni> <@meiso> ftp: 80921107 bytes received in 87.26Seconds 927.40Kbytes/sec.
00:01:24  <Bjarni> <@meiso> man this modem turbo booster really helps
00:01:28  <caladan> there's time when you neet to work at hospital when you still learn, thou you can do injections and all that easy stuff
00:01:31  <Bjarni> now that's a nice booster :D
00:01:35  <Bjarni> give me that one
00:01:40  <Eddi|zuHause> well, they probably do the same job in the first few years as before, but they get payed more
00:01:59  <caladan> i wouldn't like to be a doctor :D
00:02:06  <caladan> engineer is right for me :D
00:02:48  <Eddi|zuHause> but you have to serve as a medical practicioner for some time before you are allowed to do things on your own
00:03:45  <Bjarni> <caladan>	engineer is right for me :D <-- so when you make a huge mistake, you will not kill one person
00:03:58  <Bjarni> you will kill everybody in the aircraft instead
00:04:06  <Bjarni> nice plan
00:04:12  <caladan> :P
00:04:23  <Eddi|zuHause> not to mention the people on the ground that the aircraft crashes on
00:04:38  <caladan> im not going to design any kind of vehicle :P
00:04:45  <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of that episode of 'Ghost Whisperer'
00:05:04  <Bjarni> a guy got killed a few months ago because an engineer screwed up when calculating how to support a bridge while it was under repair
00:05:35  <Bjarni> caladan: then what are you going to do?
00:05:52  <caladan> electroacoustics :D
00:05:56  <Eddi|zuHause> are there records of "most people killed from a calculation error"?
00:06:00  <caladan> DSP
00:06:07  <caladan> audio
00:06:54  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause>	are there records of "most people killed from a calculation error"? <-- I don't know, but I do know of the car ferry, that was 5 cm too narrow in the ends to take on cars
00:07:08  <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p
00:07:12  <Bjarni> that ended up being some really expensive 5 cm
00:10:06  <Bjarni> ohh, here is another good one. An engineer designed an electric circuit and figured that he needed a capacitor. After searching for a while, he found one that was big enough for the task and ordered it (for a fortune). When it showed up, it was so big that the freight guys moved the package on some wheels and it was too heavy to lift and there was no way that he could make it fit in his allowed space for the circuit
00:10:13  <Bjarni> or the sockets on his print
00:11:16  <Bjarni> this resulted in a complete redesign of the entire circuit to avoid using such a big capacitor and then it came on display for "telling people to think twice before ordering something really expensive"
00:11:26  <Bjarni> nobody ever figured out anything it could be used for
00:11:37  <caladan> that capacitor?
00:11:41  <Bjarni> yeah
00:11:52  <Bjarni> it was like 50 cm in each direction
00:12:02  <Bjarni> some power grid capacitor or something
00:12:04  <caladan> that's normal size for industrial ones
00:12:19  <caladan> you know complex numbers?
00:12:21  <Bjarni> but the print should be no more than 20x30 cm or something
00:12:44  <Bjarni> <caladan>	you know complex numbers? <-- I'm an engineer... what do you think :P
00:12:47  <Eddi|zuHause> hypercomplex numbers are funny ;)
00:13:13  <Eddi|zuHause> (but i have yet to see an actual usage of those)
00:13:14  <caladan> Bjarni: so you problably know about passive and active power
00:13:55  <Bjarni> you mean the power factor thing?
00:14:00  <caladan> hmmmm, could be
00:14:13  <caladan> if you got current and voltage that are complex
00:14:25  <caladan> then it can be, that power is complex too
00:14:26  <Bjarni> when current and voltage goes out of phase
00:14:27  <caladan> P=U*I
00:14:45  <caladan> and power erally used is that real part of power
00:14:48  <caladan> Re(P)
00:14:56  <Bjarni> yeah, that's power factor
00:15:15  <caladan> so if you have somewhere many inductors, like engines and so on
00:15:24  <Eddi|zuHause> and what's your point?
00:15:30  <Bjarni> the power factor is the amount of watts you need to produce to use one, so having a power factor of 1 is ideal. 1,5 is bad
00:15:35  <caladan> then you do a series capacitor to make imaginary part of power be equal zero
00:15:56  <Bjarni> I know you can use coils and capacitors to decrease the power factor
00:16:10  <Bjarni> forcing the current to go back into phase with the voltage
00:16:13  <caladan> so that's why some really big capacitors are really needed
00:16:19  <caladan> yep, that's right
00:16:42  <Brianetta> Revision 25 of autopilot committed.
00:16:42  <Eddi|zuHause> <caladan> then you do a series capacitor to make imaginary part of power be equal zero <- they use entire power stations for balancing the phase
00:16:49  <Brianetta> I now have a prototype GUI.
00:17:06  <Bjarni> I know that, but for a company that's not working with anything for the power grid, a capacitor of that size is damn big
00:17:28  <caladan> Eddi|zuHause: how is this possible? all powerstations work with the same phase
00:17:39  <caladan> all in whole europe
00:17:48  <Bjarni> not true
00:17:48  <Eddi|zuHause> i mean the phase difference
00:18:07  <Bjarni> Eastern and Western Denmark use different phases
00:18:09  <Eddi|zuHause> what you discribe with the imaginary component here
00:18:19  <Eddi|zuHause> can be described as a phase offset
00:18:27  <caladan> yep
00:18:31  <Eddi|zuHause> a+bi = r*e(i phi)
00:18:41  <Bjarni> Eastern Denmark use the same phase as the hydro plants in Norway and Sweden while Western Denmark use the same phase as Germany
00:18:47  <Eddi|zuHause> you want to get phi=0
00:19:22  <Eddi|zuHause> which means i was talking about the same thing as you, just using another representation
00:20:00  <caladan> yeah, i know, but i cant imagine how is it posible that one powerstation has shifted phase
00:20:08  <Bjarni> it can be said much simpler. Whenever you use something that will make the current go ahead of behind the voltage, then you want to add a device to pull it the same degree in the other direction to even it out
00:20:13  <Eddi|zuHause> no...
00:20:36  <caladan> so that balancing should be done where it is caused, in industries
00:20:42  <Eddi|zuHause> every resistor has phi=0, every inductor has phi=90° and every capacitor has phi=-90°
00:20:59  <Eddi|zuHause> so if you have more inductors than capacitors on the network
00:21:03  <caladan> every *ideal* element
00:21:09  <caladan> i know, really :P
00:21:16  <Eddi|zuHause> you get a phase offset != 0
00:21:33  <caladan> not true, it depends on omega and values of C and L
00:21:39  <Eddi|zuHause> and you have to use additional inductors/capacitors in the powerstation to balance these out
00:22:08  <Bjarni> those "light poles" are really nasty when it comes to power factor since they got a 80-90° (or was it negative) shift. By law, you have to compensate for this if you got several at the same location
00:22:15  <Eddi|zuHause> i am of course talking about their capacity/inductivity, not about their number
00:22:15  <caladan> in poland those balancing capacitors and inductors are in industries
00:22:19  <Eddi|zuHause> and i am talking abstract
00:22:44  <Bjarni> you can make balancing capacitors/coils of all sizes
00:22:52  <Eddi|zuHause> well, big industries tend to have their own isolated power network
00:23:04  <Bjarni> have you ever seen a PSU for a computer with power factor 1?
00:23:27  <caladan> Power Supply Unit?
00:23:32  <Bjarni> yes
00:23:37  <Bjarni> the transformer in a computer
00:23:46  <Bjarni> it shifts the phase somewhat
00:23:50  <caladan> There are not many transformers nowadays
00:23:58  <caladan> it's matter of something else
00:24:18  <caladan> now it's all switching step-down
00:25:02  <Bjarni> the PSU in all computers are made out of coils and capacitors. Unless you think about balancing them, they can end up being somewhat power hungry due to the power factor
00:25:23  <Bjarni> so some people decided to produce balanced PSUs
00:25:43  <Eddi|zuHause> computers rarely have inductive elements
00:26:02  <caladan> that's not that easy
00:26:03  <Eddi|zuHause> while every parallel signals form capacitive elements
00:26:09  <Bjarni> I would get one if I really depended on a computer to run on either a generator or UPS
00:26:33  <Eddi|zuHause> so you have a pretty large offset into the capacitive phase
00:26:45  <caladan> now as it is all switching power supply, you got a lot of hi freq noise and then you need coil in there...
00:26:53  <Eddi|zuHause> you have to balance this out with inductors in the PSU
00:26:53  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause>	computers rarely have inductive elements <-- not the computer itself, it's the transformer. The 240V AC -> 3,3/5/12 V DC converter
00:27:14  <caladan> transformers are now not used
00:27:17  <caladan> *really*
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00:27:42  <Eddi|zuHause> every PSU i have seen from the inside had transformers
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00:27:55  <caladan> but it isnt main transformer
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00:29:52  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know much more about electronics than to identify how a transformer looks like
00:30:12  <Bjarni> generally switch mode transformers are used. This is actually a bad thing because the power grid prefers to get even load on the whole cycle, not just a bit on the raising flank
00:30:19  <Eddi|zuHause> (i mean practical electronics)
00:31:24  <caladan> true
00:31:38  <caladan> in domitories of my facultry voltage isnt even sine wave :D
00:32:00  <caladan> it's more like square as all PCs tend to get current when voltage reaches top :D
00:32:08  <caladan> so that sine is really deformed :D
00:32:29  <Bjarni> I never put a scope to the power outlet
00:32:38  <Bjarni> I put one on my broken PSU though
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00:33:14  <Bjarni> the DC output was a triangle signal with a peak of half the voltage the DC should provide
00:33:22  <Bjarni> so yes, it was broken
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00:34:02  <Bjarni> it has a broken capacity somewhere around the purple wire... the question is which one
00:34:25  <Eddi|zuHause> just rip them all out :p
00:34:31  <Bjarni> too expensive
00:34:37  <caladan> why not to measure em?
00:35:01  <Bjarni> I plan to do that some day
00:35:06  <caladan> :D
00:35:17  <caladan> ok time to go to sleep :D
00:35:25  <Bjarni> but I will need to take them out to do that as several of them are connected to the same wires
00:35:26  <Brianetta> glx: Check out the latest ap commit.  It's very basic atm; let me know if it works for you.
00:35:29  <caladan> nice time chating with you, but it's damn late
00:35:41  <caladan> gn
00:35:44  <glx> Brianetta: what should I see if it works ?
00:35:52  <Bjarni> so when I measure capacity, which one gives me the capacity and which one is short circuited
00:35:59  <Brianetta> Yeah.  You'll need a new key in your config
00:36:15  <Brianetta> use_gui = [yes|no|on|off|1|0]
00:36:23  <Bjarni> actually since at least one of them is short circuited, I can't detect any capacity right now
00:36:39  <Brianetta> It might break without that.
00:36:49  <Brianetta> I don't do very good handling of missing values in the config
00:37:05  <Bjarni> so it could be a question of removing one, testing it and then test if the rest will increase in capacity
00:37:47  <Eddi|zuHause> i can't imagine measuring a capacitor while it is not isolated from the rest of the system
00:39:01  <Bjarni> yeah, that's the problem
00:39:11  <Bjarni> and since there are so many of them...
00:39:51  <Bjarni> but the "treasure hunt" is to find the broken one
00:40:12  <Bjarni> I know where the wire goes into the print, but I can't see all the wires in the print
00:40:36  <Bjarni> making it near impossible to estimate which capacitor that's connected to what
00:40:42  <glx> Brianetta: it broke my openttd.cfg when exiting
00:40:47  <Bjarni> making it kind of a guessing game
00:41:13  <Eddi|zuHause> but if one of the capacitors is short-cuted, you might get more results by measuring resistance
00:41:23  <Brianetta> broke it?
00:41:33  <Brianetta> what did?
00:41:45  <glx> not fully write it
00:41:50  <Brianetta> It doesn't writeit
00:41:57  <Brianetta> It only ever reads it
00:42:24  <Brianetta> Did OpenTTD exit OK?
00:42:51  <Bjarni> 	<Eddi|zuHause>	but if one of the capacitors is short-cuted, you might get more results by measuring resistance <-- that's also an option I will consider
00:42:53  <glx> seems so
00:43:15  <Bjarni> the problem is that all the options I have here all takes time and... well, I only got 24 hours a day
00:43:21  <Bjarni> and I need to sleep and code as well
00:43:29  <Bjarni> not to mention do serious work
00:43:35  <Brianetta> The only way I can imagine autopilot causing config file corruptionis if it exited, taking OpenTTD with it, while OpenTTD was writing to the file
00:43:51  <Bjarni> the sleeping part sounds nice right now
00:43:52  <Bjarni> goodnight
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00:44:28  <glx> Brianetta: you forgot to svn add a file :)
00:44:36  <Brianetta> which file?
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00:44:41  <glx> F:\openttd>tclsh autopilot.tcl
00:44:41  <glx> couldn't read file "autopilot-gui.tcl": no such file or directory
00:44:50  <Brianetta> sure?
00:44:53  <Brianetta> it's in 26
00:45:08  <glx> I was using 25 :)
00:45:28  <Brianetta> ah
00:45:48  <Brianetta> Yeah, you won't get myuch of a GUI without that file
00:46:01  <glx> gui started
00:46:38  <Brianetta> The company list should populate
00:46:45  <Brianetta> but only as often as recount_frequency
00:46:54  <Brianetta> or if you click the recount button
00:47:10  <Brianetta> and the colours are taken *directly* from the game
00:47:33  <Brianetta> You can chat, see the company colours, and quit the server
00:47:38  <Brianetta> and, er, that's it, for now
00:47:44  <Brianetta> It's a proof of concept
00:48:14  <glx> works
00:48:33  <glx> I tried mysql module today
00:48:41  <Brianetta> Any joy?
00:48:48  <Brianetta> I know it's a badly documented pig
00:49:03  <glx> needed to install mysqltcl but it works
00:49:25  <Brianetta> Two servers other than those I administerare using that
00:49:33  <glx> it doesn't log too much things
00:49:37  <Brianetta> It just logs chat
00:49:49  <Brianetta> but the "settings" table is deliberately open-ended
00:50:02  <Brianetta> and if you have extra ideas, feel free to send me a patch file
00:50:51  <glx> hmm the only "chat" it logged was join, left, save, and shutdown
00:51:02  <Brianetta> ah
00:51:06  <Brianetta> you had irc turned off
00:51:09  <Brianetta> and there was a bug
00:51:15  <glx> exact no irc
00:51:24  <Brianetta> I spotted it when no chat appeared in the GUI
00:51:32  <Brianetta> It worked fine with IRC enabled
00:51:48  <Brianetta> Anyway, your MySQL should log all chat now, with 26
00:57:29  <glx> yes it's ok now
00:58:04  <glx> what will be the use of 'user' table ?
00:59:06  <Brianetta> It's to eventually provide user logins
00:59:14  <Brianetta> so players auth through IRC or witha web site
00:59:20  <Brianetta> and can then joina company
00:59:34  <Brianetta> The design is messy (literally)
00:59:40  <Brianetta> Pencil scribbles everywhere
00:59:44  <Brianetta> and no code yet
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02:06:59  <peter1138> Rubidium?
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02:31:45  <lolman> Ello :)
02:32:12  <glx> hey you're not dead :)
02:32:27  <lolman> Nope, been far too busy
02:34:40  <lolman> Bored, and busy at the same tim
02:34:41  <lolman> e
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02:41:57  <Sacro> :o OH NOES
02:42:15  <lolman> :D
02:42:19  <Sacro> your on late
02:42:26  <lolman> Yeah
02:42:29  <lolman> Can't sleep
02:42:36  <Sacro> ahh
02:42:50  <lolman> I changed distro lol
02:43:08  <lolman> But you won't like which one I changed to
02:43:42  <Sacro> oh daer...
02:43:47  <lolman> daer? :P
02:43:50  <Sacro> which one?
02:43:52  <Sacro> its 2:34
02:43:53  <lolman> OpenSUSE
02:43:54  <Sacro> err...
02:43:55  <Sacro> 2:43
02:44:05  <Sacro> yeah, im not a SuSe fan
02:44:56  <lolman> I like it lol
02:45:04  <Sacro> each to their own
02:45:09  <Sacro> im still running Arch, XP and Vista
02:45:21  <lolman> My dad's buying me Vista :P
02:45:25  <Sacro> heh
02:45:29  <Sacro> i got it for free!
02:45:34  <lolman> So am I, really :P
02:45:35  <Sacro> you dont want vista yet anyway
02:45:43  <glx> Sacro: msdnaa ?
02:46:06  <Sacro> glx: yup
02:46:21  <glx> my brother will get it for free too
02:46:30  <Sacro> quite possibly
02:47:04  <glx> he just need to retrieve his login and pasword :)
02:47:15  <Sacro> ahhh
02:48:01  <lolman> I just need to wait for my dad to move some money around ;-)
02:48:04  <Sacro> heh...
02:48:07  <Sacro> i need to move some money
02:48:15  <Sacro> dunno what to get though
02:48:17  <lolman> I need to get some :P
02:48:23  <Sacro> got new pc, got g25, got rFactor
02:48:38  <lolman> First 2 things, YAY :P
02:48:56  <Sacro> hehe
02:49:03  <Sacro> well i have LFS cracked
02:49:07  <Sacro> but not up to U
02:49:09  * lolman slaps Sacro
02:49:14  <Sacro> heh
02:49:19  <Sacro> you should speak to Bjarni
02:49:23  <lolman> You're 2 patches behind ;-)
02:49:28  <Sacro> i got him to translate the crack instructions :D
02:49:53  <glx> and it wasn't his native language :)
02:49:56  <lolman> It's at V now :P
02:50:11  <Sacro> yeah i know
02:50:13  <Sacro> i have it
02:50:18  <Sacro> just not a full copy
02:50:23  <lolman> Oh and the master server moved IPs too :P
02:50:48  <Sacro> lol
02:51:23  <Sacro> "Ok, if you REALLY want the crack, go to , its the most active and best LFS forum and they'll give you the crack"
02:51:52  <lolman> Idiots :P
02:52:08  <lolman> I'm a personal friend of one of the moderators ;-)
02:52:17  <Sacro> oooh found a V crack
02:52:21  * Sacro sniggers
02:52:23  <Sacro> that sounds dirty
02:52:24  * lolman slaps
02:52:43  <lolman> So does sniggering at a patch V crack
02:53:05  <Sacro> hehe
02:53:10  <Sacro> hmm, 3am, i should go to bed
02:53:18  <lolman> Yes you should
02:54:40  * Sacro unzips LFS_S2_ALPHA-U
02:55:24  * lolman sniggers at his legal copy of S2 Aplha V
02:55:26  <lolman> Alpha*
02:55:42  * lolman also sniggers at the £12 in his LFS account ready for S3
02:56:38  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8526 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: add stubs for unsupported newgrf station properties
02:57:02  <Sacro> late ngiht commit there
03:00:38  <peter1138> looks pretty
03:00:51  <peter1138> LFS that is
03:01:04  <peter1138> i was wondering why you'd need to crack Linux From Scratch, though...
03:01:17  <Sacro> there we go... got V working
03:01:25  <Sacro> peter1138: Linux froms Scratch is ace
03:01:36  <peter1138> Required computer specifications:
03:01:36  <peter1138> 1 GHz CPU, 128 MB memory, 3D graphics card
03:01:37  <peter1138> hmm
03:01:41  <Sacro> ?
03:01:58  <lolman> Live For Speed min specs
03:02:00  <peter1138> doesn't need windows, apparently
03:02:19  <lolman> Well it can run (rather badly) in WINE
03:02:39  <Sacro> night all
03:02:45  <lolman> Night Sacro
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03:06:41  <peter1138> bleh
03:06:49  <peter1138> so really i need a new pc, with windows...
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03:27:04  <peter1138> hmm
03:27:15  <peter1138> st->train_tile isn't necessarily MP_STATION :/
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06:43:03  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8527 /trunk/src/lang/ (18 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
06:43:03  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-02-02 07:41:47
06:43:03  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 6 fixed, 363 changed by fukumori (369)
06:43:03  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 6 fixed by groupsky (6)
06:43:03  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 6 fixed by arnaullv (6)
06:43:04  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 54 fixed, 3 changed by tperic (57)
06:43:06  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 6 fixed by Hadez (6)
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07:16:13  <peter1138> yay, fixed :D
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07:25:24  <Smoovious> what'd'ja fix?
07:25:30  <peter1138> i didn't
07:25:38  <peter1138> i meant slovenian, heh
07:25:43  <Tron> partially
07:25:45  <Smoovious> ok... that makes perfect sense. :P
07:25:48  <Tron> the case reappeared
07:26:10  <Tron> but the only string.3sk is gone
07:26:18  <peter1138> o_O
07:29:12  <Tron> also the unnecessary cases in czech are still there
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07:48:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8528 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp station_map.cpp station_map.h water_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Rename IsBuoy_() to IsBuoy() now that the naming conflict no longer exists.
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08:10:41  <ln-> how to split (s-1)/(s^2+4s+13) into partial fractions?
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08:13:51  <blathijs> ln-: s/(s^2+4s+13) - 1/(s^2+4s+13) is obvious, but that's probably not what you meant :-)
08:14:47  <blathijs> ln-: but the bottom part isn't factorizable I think, so you I thnk you'll end up in the complex plane
08:14:53  <blathijs> but, I'm off. Good luck!
08:15:30  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8529 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/shared/mysql.cpp: [MSU] -Fix: removed a field from the database, but not from the query.
08:17:23  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8530 /branches/masterserver_updater/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: make use of the new functions of packet.
08:23:51  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8531 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp:
08:23:51  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix
08:23:51  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove unnecessary pointer mumbo-jumbo from FindRoadStopSpot()
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08:53:11  <Wolf01> morning
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09:01:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: if you want to stay in the real numbers, you will have to live with the quadratic term
09:01:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> (so that would be the partial fraction of itself)
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09:06:08  <ln-> it may also be that partial fractions are not required in this case. the goal is to calculate the inverse laplace transform of that function.
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12:04:35  <Darkvater> top
12:04:36  <Darkvater> s
12:04:36  <Darkvater> 1
12:04:39  <Darkvater> ek
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12:06:11  <Sacro> ?
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13:15:00  <Neonox> Tron : Ping
13:34:28  <Brianetta> <Sacro> turned out i had my helmet in a bush
13:34:40  <Sacro> XD
13:34:40  <Brianetta> I think I'll leave that utterly without context.
13:34:58  <Sacro> Brianetta: its not as funny when Bjarni isnt here
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13:57:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8532 /masterserver/udp.cpp: [MasterServer] -Fix: accidentally sent an unescaped string into a SQL query.
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14:20:34  <Wolf01> ello
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14:32:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8533 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix: segmentation fault when the toolbar gets removed and you have selected one of the items in a submenu of the toolbar.
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15:05:10  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8534 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Feature/Codechange: Provide aircraft with vertical separation depending on their altitude and velocity
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15:14:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r8535 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp:
15:14:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: Allow lumbermill to cut trees only when they are full grown.
15:14:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: This does not affect output of the mill, but make the visual aspect of it more accurate.
15:14:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Prior of this, the mill produced cargo of the same amount even if the trees are on their first stages of growth.
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15:36:34  <Wolf01> r8534 ?_? slow planes travel at low altitude and fast planes at high altitude?
15:37:02  <Brianetta> Woo
15:37:17  <Brianetta> Now my autopilot GUI only scrolls its main log window down if it's already at the bottom
15:37:47  <Wolf01> good :D
15:37:51  <setrodox> a gui for autopilot? :o
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16:12:18  <Brianetta> Yes
16:12:21  <Brianetta> a gui
16:12:27  <Brianetta> as in a pointy-clicky-colourful thing
16:12:39  <Brianetta> Needless to say, it's not for screen users
16:12:55  <Brianetta> but for those who run their dedicated servers on machines with a desktop
16:13:19  <Brianetta> It's also highly unfinised
16:15:58  <voodoo070> lol
16:16:04  <voodoo070> sounds pretty useless to me ? :P
16:16:19  <voodoo070> tho it might get less experienced ppl to run it
16:16:34  <voodoo070> dunno if thats good
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16:20:02  <Brianetta> Useless?
16:20:12  <Brianetta> It'll allow complete administration of the server once it's done
16:20:34  <Brianetta> Or, setting up of a server in a screen session, and then killing the GUI
16:20:43  <Brianetta> The GUI is killable
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16:27:43  <Tefad> is it just a general UI problem or is the cumulative button clicking a little touchy?
16:27:53  <Tefad> eg year setting
16:28:12  <Tefad> i click once and it thinks i'm holding it down
16:40:13  <Brianetta> Girl
16:40:17  <Brianetta> Bom bom bom bom
16:40:21  <Brianetta> You'll be a woman soon
16:41:45  <caladan> :>
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16:51:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8536 /trunk/src/ (roadveh_cmd.cpp station.cpp station.h): -Fix (FS#577): Road Vehicles now can obtain a slot even if the station is very spread out
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17:32:49  <SpComb> Logs:
17:32:49  <Bjarni> !logs
17:33:03  <Wolf01> evening
17:33:13  <Bjarni> this is a classic example of how an IRC client can fuck up
17:34:42  <blathijs> Bjarni: Sure it isn't a user problem? :-p
17:41:13  <Brianetta> <Sacro> turned out i had my helmet in a bush
17:41:24  <Brianetta> Bjarni: Sacro said that's be funnier if you were around
17:41:29  <Brianetta> Don't know why
17:41:40  <Bjarni> hmm
17:42:09  <Bjarni> <Brianetta>	Don't know why <-- we can say that about every single sentence from Sacro, so there is nothing new
17:42:27  <Sacro> :o
17:42:29  <Brianetta> His helmet was in a bush, though
17:42:40  <Brianetta> That's where he ended up after a little event
17:42:43  <Bjarni> I'm not surprised
17:42:47  <Bjarni> it's Sacro
17:42:53  <Sacro> indeed it is
17:42:58  * Brianetta prods the silly Sacro
17:43:04  <Sacro> Brianetta: owei
17:43:23  <Brianetta> Next time you break your bike, don't ride it home
17:43:25  <Bjarni> Sacro: so what mentally unstable girl did you fuck this time?
17:43:46  <Sacro> Bjarni: i didnt... i had a slight... off road excursion
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17:44:18  <Brianetta> and then he picked himself up, limped to his broken bike, and rode it home with dodgy steering and a knackered engine
17:44:32  <Brianetta> half an hour later he was on IRC
17:44:36  <Sacro> the engine is fine now
17:44:38  * Brianetta shakes his head
17:44:42  <Brianetta> You're bananas
17:44:46  <Sacro> i think it was just a tad upset at being upside down
17:44:57  <Bjarni> his engine controller isn't ok though
17:46:09  <Bjarni> Sacro: how did this happen? Were you stoned or high?
17:46:15  <Bjarni> or just your usual self?
17:46:32  <Bjarni> not that anybody can tell the difference
17:46:49  <Brianetta> and people said I was unsympathetic earlier
17:46:52  <Bjarni> hey btw, this happened in Hull, right?
17:46:56  <Sacro> Bjarni: neither... i was just on my way home
17:47:10  <Sacro> Bjarni: no, i was outside city limits
17:47:52  <Bjarni> Sacro: I got a tip for you: when you are outside Hull, don't act like you are in Hull. It's not considered sane to do that anywhere else
17:48:40  <peter1138> i have a tip for bjarni
17:48:59  <Bjarni> also when you are outside Hull, the chance of finding horny Hull girls in the bushes aren't that great
17:49:19  <Bjarni> peter1138: point well taken
17:49:38  <Bjarni> but I'm trying to speak Hullish to make Sacro understand me
17:49:45  <Bjarni> so I can't use proper English
17:49:52  <peter1138> actually, you're sounding like a cock
17:49:58  <Bjarni> even better
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17:50:37  <Bjarni> he managed to get himself onto IRC. He is not deadly injured
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17:56:48  <Bjarni> Sacro: are you still alive?
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18:11:21  <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, playing san andreas
18:12:35  <Bjarni> see
18:12:40  <Bjarni> I didn't kill him :)
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18:48:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8537 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files):
18:48:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-02-02 19:45:42
18:48:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 33 changed by fukumori (33)
18:48:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 2 fixed by MiR (2)
18:48:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: esperanto - 6 fixed, 1 changed by LaPingvino (7)
18:48:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 4 changed by sidew (4)
18:49:38  <Tron> MiHaMiX?
18:50:53  <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, I've read your comments, and will made the errors fixed
18:51:13  <MiHaMiX> Tron: but i'm not a translator, i'm just coordinate them
18:51:26  <Tron> i just wanted to see any reaction
18:52:41  <MiHaMiX> Tron: ok, sorry, I was way too busy to react upon anything
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18:52:50  <MiHaMiX> Tron: just arrived home, etc..
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19:07:28  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8538 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp:
19:07:28  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix
19:07:28  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: GetRoadStopByTile() cannot return NULL. Remove therefore unnecessary check
19:09:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8539 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp:
19:09:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix
19:09:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: static
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19:54:07  <peter1138> pom te pom
19:54:16  <peter1138> just whacked an athlon xp 2000+ in
19:54:24  <peter1138> seems to be running at 1250 MHz
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19:54:47  <peter1138> 800->1250 o_O
19:55:18  <peter1138> hmm, it is 12.5 multiplier, so that's right
19:55:31  <peter1138> unclocking, woo
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19:55:42  <peter1138> if i save the bios settings it won't boot :/
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19:59:45  <acerbus> hi
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20:00:46  <acerbus> could anyone say how am I supposed to install the nightlies?
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20:01:18  <Born_Acorn> Sergej_Strikes again
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20:02:50  <caladan> acerbus: download, unpack, ./configure, make, copy data
20:02:54  <scia> russians never stop...
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20:03:20  <acerbus> oh, ok
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20:04:26  <acerbus> umm, what does this ./configure mean?
20:04:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> ./configure and make only apply if you compile from the source
20:05:09  <acerbus> oh, ok
20:05:53  <acerbus> do I just copy the data from the build into an empty folder, or am I supposed to copy it over something?
20:06:18  <acerbus> cos I tried all sorts of ways, and I get some missing files errors for some reason
20:06:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> you need to copy the original game files into the data directory
20:06:31  <caladan> and did you get files from original TTD?
20:06:34  <acerbus> oh, ok
20:07:57  <acerbus> uhh, I copied the files that were missing, but the error still appears
20:08:37  <caladan> can you paste it here?
20:08:55  <acerbus> k
20:09:11  <acerbus> your is missing or corrupted
20:09:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> that is also a file from the original game
20:09:39  <caladan> check if you got that file in your dir
20:09:48  <acerbus> nsignal.grf, 2ccmap.grf, airports.grf, and all sorts
20:09:59  <acerbus> but they are all in my data folder
20:10:00  <caladan> these are new files
20:10:10  <caladan> you need files from original TTD game
20:10:24  <acerbus> I tried that already, but it didn't work either
20:10:37  <caladan> then you probably made something wrong...
20:10:54  <acerbus> I actually didn't have this problem until somthing like r8200 or something
20:11:05  <Digitalfox> My problem with Sergej is that his work doesn't have quality and is based in a work not finished ( the brach 32bpp ).. So he should wait for 32bpp to be merged.. This is just my opinion :)
20:11:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> acerbus: do you have a working installation of 0.4.8 or 0.5.0-RC4?
20:11:36  <acerbus> yes, I tried with both 0.4.8 and 0.5.0 RC4
20:11:49  <caladan> and do these work?
20:11:57  <acerbus> yes
20:12:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> then just copy all files from the nightly into there
20:12:09  <glx> acerbus: win9X/ME ?
20:12:15  <acerbus> i did that, still gives me the same error
20:12:18  <acerbus> xp
20:12:37  <acerbus> it also tells me that I have an invalid version of language packs
20:13:10  <Eddi|zuHause2> check if the files from the archive are actually copied to the right dir
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20:14:15  <acerbus> well, they seem to
20:15:31  <acerbus> maybe there's something wrong with my system
20:16:45  <KeeperOfTheSoul> are you compiling with Visual Studio?
20:17:25  <acerbus> nope, I just download the builds off the nightlies page
20:17:41  <KeeperOfTheSoul> oh right, nm then, i know nothing
20:18:09  <acerbus> hmm, r7726 seems to work perfectly, though
20:18:54  <KeeperOfTheSoul> how does the nightlies work? are they automated or does someone have to compile them?
20:19:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> acerbus: can you exactly isolate when it does not work anymore?
20:19:26  <acerbus> i'll try
20:21:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8540 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix[YAPF]: Assert when buoy is placed on NE or NW map edge (Dan)
20:23:51  <acerbus> well, r8122 is still working, but r8148 and the newer ones aren't
20:26:23  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8541 /branches/newhouses/ (144 files in 14 dirs): [NewHouses] -Sync with trunk r8359:8540.
20:27:31  <KeeperOfTheSoul> couldn't be any thing to do with a language file failing to compile?
20:28:02  <glx> KeeperOfTheSoul: no, if the language is not compiled it's just not included
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20:31:38  <KeeperOfTheSoul> i thought that would be the case, is that the same for visual studio, or do you have to remove them from the project?
20:34:26  <Rubidium> acerbus: have you tried to remove the lang directory and replace it with the data from a recent nightly?
20:35:45  <acerbus> i'll try
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20:38:38  <acerbus> well, using the language dir of the new nightlies seemed to do nothing more than change the language to something slavic for some reason
20:39:50  <Rubidium> which nightly are you using?
20:40:18  <acerbus> r8122 with the language dir from r8462
20:40:42  <Rubidium> that shouldn't work
20:41:00  <glx> acerbus: you need to use languages from the same version
20:41:26  <XeryusTC> <- there is twice the same topic here
20:41:35  <acerbus> yea, I was just experimenting
20:47:47  * Born_Acorn asplodes it
20:48:16  <Born_Acorn> boom
20:55:42  <Sacro> whoo, got my phone back from the ditch
20:57:12  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8542 /trunk/src/network/network_gamelist.cpp: -Codechange (Fix?): tweak the gamelist requery timeout so more servers are found for slow network connections.
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21:04:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8543 /trunk/src/network/ (5 files): -Codechange: make a real difference between querying the server via UDP and TCP.
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21:33:04  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8544 /trunk/src/network/ (network.h network_gamelist.cpp network_gamelist.h): -Codechange: move game list related function/struct declarations to network_gamelist.h
21:33:30  <KeeperOfTheSoul> wow, VS proper as opposed to express outputs to the correct directory :)
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21:41:59  <peter1138> woo, beryl :D
21:42:55  <caladan> hmm? what card you gave got?
21:43:02  <peter1138> geforce4 ti4200
21:43:45  <caladan> hmmm, geforce... gonna take geforce next time, ati suxx :/
21:44:09  * peter1138 disables wobbly windows
21:44:22  <caladan> ok, dont do that!@
21:44:25  <caladan> that's fun!
21:44:46  <peter1138> hmm?
21:45:29  <caladan> whose wobbly windows:D
21:45:59  <caladan> *those
21:46:02  <Sacro> peter1138: you can see wobblies through your window?
21:46:11  <peter1138> it's annoying
21:49:40  <peter1138> hmm, nice zoom
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21:55:36  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8545 /branches/newhouses/src/newgrf_house.cpp: [NewHouses] -Codechange: make comments about callback result reflect the code.
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22:17:57  <peter1138> hmm
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22:49:22  <Brianetta> hmm?
22:49:56  * Brianetta wonders if there's room for expansion in his autopilot's data structures
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22:54:06  <caladan> vista vs. rest of the world:
22:54:34  <peter1138> old
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22:56:53  <Bjarni> still ok
22:57:04  <Bjarni> I haven't seen it before
22:57:42  <Bjarni> however I saw MS on TV telling that it's a good thing that vista is available in so many versions because then the user can always pick the right one
22:57:59  <Bjarni> pick the right one... based on what? :)
22:58:25  <Rubidium> Bjarni: the right Vista, ain't that OSX?
22:58:51  <Sacro> that guy looks like owen
23:00:44  <Bjarni> OSX ain't vista
23:00:58  <caladan> rotflmao
23:00:59  <caladan> :D
23:01:02  <Bjarni> OSX actually have a nice OS behind the eyecandy
23:01:10  <caladan> yeah, based on Unix :D
23:01:23  <caladan> gcc, make, grep, ssh, screen, all you really need :D
23:01:44  <Bjarni> yeah
23:02:04  <Bjarni> I can use it to connect to the Solaris servers at uni
23:02:25  <Bjarni> windows needs extra software to do that and it will still not be the same quality
23:03:10  <Bjarni> I don't get vista... all I heard about it is that it's a slowdown and eyecandy thingy
23:03:34  <Bjarni> and some software (like OpenTTD?) will not work correctly in it
23:03:38  <Bjarni> then why use it?
23:03:50  <voodoo070> itll come with new computers
23:03:54  <voodoo070> thats basically it?
23:04:05  <voodoo070> thats why itll be a succes anyway in 2 years
23:04:18  <Bjarni> I know
23:04:34  <Bjarni> but why buy it now for the hardware people already have?
23:04:43  <voodoo070> its a waste
23:04:55  <voodoo070> vista offers no great new features afaik
23:05:05  <Bjarni> why buy windows at all, but that's another issue
23:05:21  <voodoo070> cause school/work use proprietary formats..
23:05:28  <voodoo070> and windows only apps
23:05:51  <caladan> it depends, my university uses mostly pdf and we get more and more of OO
23:05:53  <Bjarni> vista was supposed to add some nice stuff, but due to the delays, they decided to remove the cool stuff in order not to delay it even more
23:06:23  <Bjarni> I don't think I will need any windows software at all this semester
23:06:40  <caladan> i need some: microwave office:/
23:06:44  <caladan> but it runs under wine :D
23:06:51  <Bjarni> only gcc, g++ and so on
23:07:09  <Bjarni> and then Matlab, but they installed the Solaris version
23:08:06  <caladan> yep, and i use it mostly as advanced calculator really
23:08:09  <caladan> thru ssh :D
23:08:23  <Rubidium> likes Microsoft's solution for the remote exploitability of Speech Recognition :) a) turn of the speakers, b) turn of speech recognition
23:09:46  <caladan> wh, that's weird, they could calculate some things, like function of autocorelation, see the delay and subtract signal :>
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23:13:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> that's like echo elemination, and the feedback-mechanism for that interferes with DRM
23:13:53  <caladan> ;]
23:17:03  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8546 /trunk/src/network/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: add a seperate (wrapper) functions to send/receive booleans.
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23:19:16  <peter1138> hmm
23:19:18  <peter1138> beryl is pretty
23:19:26  <peter1138> but doesn't really provide any extra functionality...
23:21:20  <caladan> true, it's just to show that linux *can*
23:27:24  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:28:27  <Sacro> peter1138: some of it is functional...
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23:43:31  <Brianetta> peter1138: It does provide one important feature
23:43:41  <Bjarni> more cash for MS?
23:43:50  <Brianetta> Remotely connected X clients don't have to redraw when covered then exposed
23:44:03  <peter1138> ..
23:44:03  <Brianetta> It's why I had Compiz
23:44:12  <peter1138> that's not really a feature of beryl
23:44:22  <Brianetta> Oh, and the Exposé clone was handy once I got used to using it
23:44:47  <Brianetta> peter1138: It's a feature of every compositing WM, of which there are currently two that work.
23:44:54  <Brianetta> Compiz and Beryl.
23:45:24  <peter1138> xfwm4 handles it
23:45:31  <peter1138> ancient windowmakers handle it...
23:45:42  <peter1138> (using 'save unders')
23:45:46  <Brianetta> They can use the z buffer?
23:45:51  <Brianetta> save under, not the same
23:46:02  <Brianetta> drag an opaque window over another, you get redraw hell
23:46:14  <Brianetta> If the client is remote, it's painful
23:46:33  <Brianetta> When I regularly used xchat over ssh, I founf Compiz to be a godsend
23:46:43  <Bjarni> most users do use remote logins to make this feature really needed everywhere :P
23:46:47  <Brianetta> Now I have irssi and screen configured, I am back to a regular wm
23:46:52  <peter1138> no, save unders are used to stop that...
23:47:41  <peter1138> anyway
23:47:44  <Brianetta> Anyway, there's definitely additional functionality
23:47:45  <peter1138> night night
23:47:49  <Brianetta> zooming in
23:47:56  <Brianetta> and exposé,a s I said
23:47:59  <Brianetta> night
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