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00:01:29 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:59 *** Szandor [~user@host-83-146-15-110.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 00:03:48 <TheJosh> Hey' 00:05:39 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7DDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 00:24:27 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp91-76-144-9.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:31 <TheJosh> If anyone is interested, my Patch is now in flyspray 00:41:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9665 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 3 dirs): -Documentation: Doxygen corrections,errors, corrections of corrections... 01:00:24 <TheJosh> ?? 01:05:20 <TheJosh> CIA-2 ?? 01:05:56 <Digitalfox[Home]> Something like a bot that shows svn changelog 01:06:50 <TheJosh> bung! my svn is already old... 01:06:55 <TheJosh> and that was 2 hours ago 01:10:01 <TheJosh> meh im off 01:10:08 <TheJosh> gee I hope my patch gets approval 01:10:56 <TheJosh> when it does ill start another one, i have a cool idea for one: raised railways 01:11:14 <TheJosh> like those monorails they have in some contries that are above the roads 01:11:20 <TheJosh> anyway im off 01:11:23 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-105-163-46.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 01:16:37 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:39 <HMage> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/738 02:08:57 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.9.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:38 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-185-141.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 02:31:22 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75542.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:50 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54b775d9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:05:16 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 04:08:25 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 04:15:42 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb7912.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:29:43 *** KUDr_ [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 04:32:55 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:33:09 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:48:41 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb7912.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 05:09:43 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.122.148.172] has joined #openttd 05:09:48 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.122.148.172] has quit [] 05:33:34 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:44:22 *** Ammller [~Ammler@84.226.108.255] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:48:36 *** KUDr|wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 05:48:55 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:31:30 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387E928.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:34:40 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:38:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-122.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 06:43:52 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-122.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:22:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9666 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix (r9651): end of data / column flags were reversed 07:40:56 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 07:45:11 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [] 08:12:49 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F879.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:16:35 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57a0f8ed.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:18:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:30:35 *** TPK [~jeff@c211-28-166-154.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:31:20 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-122.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:31:26 *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing 08:41:10 *** Ammler [~Ammler@84.226.108.255] has joined #openttd 08:47:20 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 08:54:35 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@213-35-169-161-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 08:57:42 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-105-163-46.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:57:50 <TheJosh> Hey 08:59:23 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.9.203] has joined #openttd 09:02:15 <TheJosh> Hey who should I talk to to try and get a patch included into the nightly trunk? 09:02:59 <Triffid_Hunter> TheJosh: I'd find the bugtracker and submit your patch 09:02:59 <ln-> No one. 09:03:39 <Sacro|Laptop> i have a strange feeling of deja vu 09:03:43 <ln-> It won't get included. Just enjoy it yourself. 09:03:53 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb6bc2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:04:04 <peter1138> ln-, please kindly shut the fuck up 09:04:26 <ln-> peter1138: Sorry for being realistic. 09:04:46 <TheJosh> Sacro: What time is it there? i thought i would try again 09:05:06 <TheJosh> everyone was asleep last time... 09:05:31 <Sacro|Laptop> its 10:10 here 09:06:21 <TheJosh> when are the most devels on? 09:06:43 <TheJosh> or should i just wait a while? 09:06:56 <Celestar> what patch are we talking about? 09:07:04 <Sacro|Laptop> :o zomg a Celestar 09:07:15 <TheJosh> the cities patch http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31528 09:07:54 <TheJosh> makes some of the towns larger when you generate a new game. you can choose how many 'cities' you want, and how much larger they should be 09:08:03 <Celestar> TheJosh: contact Maedhros, he's doing some work on cities, city sizes and city growth at the moment. 09:08:29 <Celestar> he's not online atm but he might be later 09:08:33 * Celestar goes back to work 09:08:51 <ln-> that patch wouldn't even pass the standard pseudo-Tron filter. 09:08:55 <TheJosh> is he already making a cities patch 09:09:04 <TheJosh> pseudo-Tron? 09:09:07 <Celestar> TheJosh: dunno how much he has done 09:09:37 <TheJosh> In-: Thankyou for your encouragement 09:09:44 <ln-> indenting with spaces, etc. 09:10:16 <ln-> TheJosh: don't take it personally. and if things turn out to be easier than i predicted, you can be happy then. 09:10:57 <TheJosh> anyway, i have to have tea now 09:11:01 <TheJosh> i will be back 09:20:07 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:20:35 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 09:25:11 <TheJosh> back 09:26:51 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:05 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-233-235.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:44:12 <Maedhros> morning 09:44:15 <TheJosh> hey 09:50:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b823cb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:50:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:52:27 <Maedhros> hmm, bug 738 is interesting 09:52:52 <Maedhros> it happens because IsVehicleOnBridge only checks at the height of the bridge 09:53:08 <Maedhros> and EnsureNoVehicleOnGround only checks the ground level 09:53:30 <Maedhros> but while a vehicle is on a sloping bridgehead it's not on the ground or at the height of the bridge :) 09:55:21 <peter1138> heh 09:55:34 <peter1138> is that one of the ones belugas changed? :) 09:59:15 <Maedhros> yeah 09:59:19 <Maedhros> so it's in -RC3 too ;) 09:59:57 <peter1138> uh oh 10:02:47 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has joined #openttd 10:03:23 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 10:03:34 <TheJosh> hi 10:05:10 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [] 10:09:25 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B823CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:49 <Smoky555> hi all 10:18:30 <TrueBrain> hi TheJosh and Smoky555 10:19:44 <Smoky555> i'm crazy, what's wrong? i get 9653 from svn, compile it in MS VS2005 without errors, make 2 folders with it, from first folder i run dedicated server, from another one i run client to connect to localhost and get an error "desync error" :( 10:21:17 <peter1138> uh, cool? 10:23:24 <Smoky555> server and client running without any newgrf files :( 10:26:35 *** DNazarov [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 10:27:50 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:09 <DNazarov> 0.5.1-RC3 - works without errors 10:29:56 <peter1138> there's at least one known bug :/ 10:30:00 *** DNazarov is now known as Smoky555 10:31:40 <Smoky555> and .... ? 10:33:55 <Maedhros> bug 738 applies to -RC3 as well as trunk :( 10:41:31 <HMage> Smoky555: disable autorenew for server and client, as well as in running game via "patch autorenew 0" in dedicated server console. 10:41:35 <HMage> it's a well known bug 10:42:16 <peter1138> that shouldn't cause desyncs 10:42:36 <HMage> I had those 8 hours ago on r9640 10:42:59 <HMage> after disabling autorenew it didn't desync. 10:43:11 <HMage> tho it's probably not the cause. the server was restarted too. 10:44:39 <HMage> Smoky555: can you please provide the config file and steps you do to reproduce that desync? 10:45:39 <Smoky555> "atorenew false" - in both configs. config files are default, generating with first run 10:46:05 <HMage> does it happen on nightly builds built from the same revision? 10:46:39 <HMage> try placing nightly builds into those 2 folders 10:50:51 *** Morphy- [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has joined #openttd 10:50:51 <Smoky555> nightly builds (precompiled win32) works fine ... 10:51:09 * HMage fires up msvc2005. 10:51:14 <HMage> What revision you're trying to build? 10:51:21 <Smoky555> 9653 10:53:24 <HMage> hold on 10:55:25 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:03 <peter1138> gaaaa 11:01:09 <peter1138> my computer's on a go slow :( 11:01:13 <peter1138> at least putty is full-speed ahead 11:01:17 <Celestar> peter1138: didn't you want to buy a new one? 11:04:03 *** Morphy- is now known as Morphy 11:04:04 <Celestar> @openttd 738 11:04:36 *** Osai is now known as Osai^away 11:05:02 <peter1138> Celestar: this is my work pc 11:05:09 <peter1138> } catch (System.Threading.ThreadAbortException) { 11:05:09 <peter1138> throw; 11:05:10 <peter1138> } 11:05:13 <peter1138> why did i do that? 11:05:25 <peter1138> hmm, i guess i had other code there at one point... 11:11:52 <HMage> Smoky555: sorry for the delay. Does the desync happen on a new game or on a saved game? I've just built from scratch via msvc2005 and started dedicated, no desyncs. 11:15:40 <Smoky555> HMage : 9655 works fine. you can take my src-pack (trunk9653 with same patches) from http://open.ttdrussia.net/download/src_trunk_9653_rp.zip 11:16:31 <peter1138> ... 11:19:57 <HMage> Smoky555: you have a daylength patch there applied. Did you try compiling without daylength patch? 11:20:35 <peter1138> ah, so it's patched 9653? :p 11:20:52 <HMage> there's also signal autocomplete patch. Try building without any patches, just clean trunk r9653 11:21:46 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:51 <HMage> most likely the daylength patch is the cause. Since I don't remember that that patch was updated less than a few months ago. 11:23:30 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 11:24:02 <peter1138> # HEATWAVE 11:24:43 <HMage> btw, peter1138, how about extending name_array to hold more than 30 bytes of data per line? 11:24:55 <HMage> err, 32* 11:25:21 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:46 <peter1138> _name_array needs to go :) 11:25:54 <HMage> away you mean? :) 11:26:01 <peter1138> yes 11:26:20 <HMage> how about a temporary fix, because it's unbearable to have only 13 letters for russian per sign. 11:26:32 <HMage> some words won't even fit 11:27:47 <HMage> like, "??????????????" 11:27:50 <Smoky555> HMage : i have this patch, peter1138 is a author ... 11:28:34 <HMage> Smoky555: try removing all patches, just clean trunk r9653. Build from that and see if you have any desyncs. 11:28:59 <HMage> peter1138: daylength is your patch? 11:29:14 <peter1138> no 11:29:50 <Smoky555> peter1138 : yes :) 11:30:23 <HMage> Unfortunately I have to go, I'll be back at around 16:00 GMT. 11:31:13 <HMage> Smoky555: daylength patch was written by Sacro. 11:31:41 <HMage> Smoky555: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=20006 11:32:07 <Smoky555> grrr.... i speak about long russian names, not daylength 11:34:03 <peter1138> heh 11:36:11 <HMage> Smoky555: Ah. anyway, that code you sent me compiles and desyncs. Revert into clean trunk and see if you have any desyncs. 11:36:20 * HMage goes away 11:36:38 *** HMage is now known as HMage`afk 11:42:57 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:48:51 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 12:05:22 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:08:05 *** Ammler [~Ammler@84.226.108.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:21 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:51 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 12:15:28 <Sacro|Laptop> oh noes, a lolman 12:17:00 <lolman> lies :o 12:20:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 12:21:54 <Sacro|Laptop> :o an Ammler 12:22:05 <Ammler> ? 12:22:55 <lolman> Woah never realised Beryl was running so well :o 12:32:15 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E928.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:55 <TheJosh> :) 12:40:38 <roboman> (: 12:42:52 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-23.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 12:59:46 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-23.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:05 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-23.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:04:00 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-133-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:36 <Belugas> Maedhros, peter1138: about 738, i did not ported my fix in 0.5, so it must be something else 13:07:50 <peter1138> someone else did, i think 13:07:57 <Belugas> ha... could be 13:09:44 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-178-118.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:59 <peter1138> r9584 | truelight | 2007-04-10 10:57:35 +0100 (Tue, 10 Apr 2007) | 5 lines 13:09:59 <peter1138> [0.5] -Backport frmo trunk (r9542, r9565, r9573): 13:09:59 <peter1138> - Fix: when checking for no vehicle on ground-tiles, don't take into account vehicles that are in the air (r9542) 13:10:09 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:10:18 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-23.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:25 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F879.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:42 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F879.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:15 <Belugas> well... 13:12:26 <Belugas> another bug on my list then :( 13:12:44 <ln-> TheJosh: success? 13:12:45 <Belugas> i'm getting worse then bjarni :S 13:13:06 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-23.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:13:46 <Belugas> shit! 13:14:06 <Belugas> i forgot my SD card at home :( 13:14:18 <Belugas> no work to be done today 13:14:20 * Belugas cires 13:14:24 <Belugas> cries... 13:14:28 <Belugas> time for COFFEE!! 13:14:35 <peter1138> get putty? 13:15:34 <Belugas> too much to learn in a simgle day :P 13:15:45 <Belugas> i should instead concentrate on work@work... 13:15:57 <Belugas> not been really productive lately ^_^ 13:19:38 <peter1138> feh! 13:28:23 <TheJosh> ln-: There may be success, I am talking with Maedhros...a commit is on the horison 13:31:52 <TheJosh> i think he has done more work on this then me though... 13:35:09 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 13:35:40 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 13:36:01 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [] 13:40:35 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:41:08 <Belugas> when the patch is good, when it adds something usefull, generally, there is an interest. 13:41:40 <Belugas> when it's a fantazy not taking into account the rest of the game, don't expect it to be in 13:42:20 <TheJosh> yeah 13:43:03 <Belugas> for those who are frantically looking for patch suggestions, may i suggest to look at this ? http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/logs/docs.nightly.error.log 13:43:30 <Belugas> those are undocumented stuff, or stuff that is not doxygen compliant 13:43:48 <Belugas> lots of work that is (almost) garanteed to be commit! 13:44:19 <TheJosh> patches that simply document existing features, etc? 13:45:16 <Belugas> yup 13:45:26 *** waxman [~cfluegel@static.88-198-83-123.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:46 <Belugas> i've been working on clearing the list for a while 13:45:53 <TheJosh> i have an idea for my next patch, what is your opinion. I call it 'Raised monorails' (although I will try to code generic) 13:45:56 <Belugas> but there is so much stuff to put in... 13:46:20 <TheJosh> basically monorails (or other rail types) that can go above roads, etc, for use in cities 13:48:30 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:48:46 <Belugas> would be tricky, i think... it will basically be like bridges 13:49:06 <TheJosh> I dont quite know how to do them yet... 13:49:14 <TheJosh> or if it would work 13:52:21 *** waxman [~cfluegel@static.88-198-83-123.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openttd 13:53:03 <Belugas> the idea is not bad in itself. just that technically, it would be hard to implement. not to mention the fact that you will have in fact 2 monorails : ground and aerial ones 13:53:06 <Belugas> if i may say so 13:53:29 <Belugas> would involves map changes, new graphics,etc... 13:53:39 <Belugas> but go ahaed. who knows :) 13:53:42 <Sacro|Laptop> hwo do you do a backtrace from a segfault? 13:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> use a debug build, and run that from gdb 13:55:03 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm, a debug build 13:55:06 <Sacro|Laptop> how to create that... 13:56:04 <TheJosh> Belugas: I was going to make it just the same rail, but with a flag that tells it to draw a bit higher or something... 13:56:11 <TheJosh> still working that bit out 13:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> TheJosh: you'll also need ramps and stuff 13:56:46 <Belugas> so it will look like floating?? 13:56:54 <Belugas> you'd need poles, at least 13:56:59 <TheJosh> yeah that as well 13:57:03 <TheJosh> and ramps 13:57:17 <peter1138> bridges 13:57:26 <peter1138> basically like locomotion :P 13:57:32 <Belugas> indeed, that's waht i've said 13:57:56 <Belugas> well.. not the locomotion part but... 13:57:59 <Sacro|Laptop> peter1138: i have a memory location, in SDL.lib 14:02:06 <TheJosh> do not worry Belugas, i will probably give up on raised monorails sometime soon anyway. 14:02:34 <TheJosh> i just thought it would be a cool idea, especially in large, hard-to-get-station-into cities 14:03:16 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 14:03:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 14:03:30 <Belugas> i don't deny the coolness of the idea 14:03:46 <Belugas> just that the realisation would be... hard 14:03:48 <Belugas> to say the least 14:03:56 <TheJosh> yes, i agree 14:04:21 <TheJosh> just then i was playing with gui, and its annoying and messy, even to do somehting simple like add a single button 14:11:21 <TheJosh> so Belugas, what do you work on the most? 14:11:50 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CF53.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:11:53 <Belugas> newindustries, doxygen stuff, making bugs... 14:12:00 <Belugas> and work@work too! 14:12:11 <TheJosh> cool 14:13:01 <TheJosh> im good at that last one. 14:16:00 <TheJosh> is the openttd devel team looking for someone to reopen MiniIN? 14:16:16 <TheJosh> perhaps with a slightly different structure? 14:17:16 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-01.Student.hig.se] has joined #openttd 14:17:22 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:18:40 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E928.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:23 <Belugas> TheJosh : no, not really. 14:20:13 <TheJosh> it wasnt working? 14:21:43 <Belugas> (most) users did not care of maintiaining their own patch, instable, confusing regular users as been a lab test for devs (which was never be the case), etc etc... 14:21:56 <Belugas> really hard to debug, 14:22:05 <Belugas> and... no 14:23:05 <hylje> ottd totally needs a functionality plugin system :P 14:23:10 <TheJosh> so where did all those patches we loved go? 14:23:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> hylje: you mean like newgrf? :p 14:23:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9667 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): 14:23:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Feature: Add the concept of cities. A (configurable) proportion of towns can 14:23:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: start off larger, and will grow twice as quickly as other towns. They can also 14:23:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: be placed specifically in the scenario editor. Thanks to TheJosh for the 14:23:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: initial patch and the idea. 14:23:46 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause3: newgrf for code 14:23:54 <TheJosh> like i really really liked in MiniIN the advanced ordering 14:24:01 <rane_> why is it that you cannot change currency to euro during the game? 14:24:04 <rane_> i find it wird 14:24:05 <rane_> +e 14:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> miniin had some nice patches, but it was impossible to keep them up to date 14:25:50 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.9.203] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:25:58 <TheJosh> I will have to find some of my favourites, and bring them up or something 14:26:02 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 14:26:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:26:55 <Belugas> rane_, it is possible to, if you write a grf file to change it yourself. otherwise, there is already a conversion system going on. 14:27:04 <Belugas> it just follows the rules.... 14:27:12 <Belugas> look in currency.cpp 14:27:15 <Belugas> or something... 14:27:41 <Belugas> TheJosh, i can't tell you about the faith of those miniIN patches 14:28:43 <TheJosh> the faith of a patch? huh? 14:29:15 <peter1138> yeah, christian, muslim, catholic... 14:29:25 * blathijs ventures Belugas meant fate, not faith :-) 14:29:36 <Belugas> oups... 14:29:39 <Belugas> yup 14:29:51 <Belugas> thanks for translating my mind :D 14:30:33 <TheJosh> there were a few patches that made re-downloading the entire thing, everytime you want to play on the net worthwile 14:32:08 <TheJosh> oh well 14:32:58 <TheJosh> anyway, my patch (not really, better said my idea) is done, and Im off to bed. Thansk again maedhros for all your work, its pure brilliance! 14:33:20 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-105-163-46.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ahoy] 14:39:23 <peter1138> a happy customer 14:40:47 <Maedhros> indeed :) 14:42:50 <Belugas> NEXT! 14:43:36 <peter1138> i need guinea pigs to test this cb36 patch 14:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> what is a cb36? 14:44:06 * Maedhros raises a hand 14:44:19 <peter1138> callback 36, used to modify some properties on the fly 14:44:24 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/callback36d.diff 14:44:43 <Maedhros> what can i use it with? ukrs? 14:44:49 <peter1138> (missing bit is either saving or reloading cached var on game load) 14:44:51 <peter1138> av8 14:45:04 <peter1138> ukrs uses it too, but i don't remember any visible effect, heh 14:45:22 <peter1138> in av8 it affects speeds 14:45:38 <Maedhros> ooh, nice 14:47:01 <Ailure> hmm 14:47:07 <Ailure> I wonder where I should post a bug report next time 14:47:08 <Ailure> :) 14:47:26 <Ailure> Probably the locomotion forums 14:47:28 <Ailure> they look nice 14:47:31 <peter1138> yes, that'll do 14:48:22 <Ailure> I wish I knew what went through me xD 14:48:35 <Ailure> I used the flyspray tracker before, but instead I thought "durrr let's harass the GRF author" 14:48:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> i vote for alcohol :) 14:49:06 <valhallasw> I vote for asperin 14:49:17 <hylje> shrooms 14:49:26 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-23.feld.cvut.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:50:17 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 14:50:18 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause3: i'll whatever ale is on... 14:50:46 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 14:50:46 <Kittysune> !logs 14:51:08 <Kittysune> I blame caffeine 14:51:08 <Kittysune> ;P 14:52:18 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Kittysune))] 14:52:21 *** Kittysune is now known as Ailure 14:52:23 <Ailure> stupid network 14:52:30 <hylje> :o 14:52:33 <peter1138> oh, it's you 14:52:48 <Ailure> How are you gentlemen! 14:52:51 <peter1138> so does anyone else want a go at the planespeed option? 14:53:30 <Ailure> the current nightlies have the equilant of planespeed 4x on ttdpatch currently? 14:53:36 <Ailure> At least that's the impression I got. 14:53:37 <peter1138> not really 14:53:39 <Ailure> hmm 14:53:46 <peter1138> they're four times faster 14:54:02 <peter1138> but it's done differently to how ttdpatch does it 14:54:08 <Ailure> ah 14:54:22 <hylje> ie. our planes go at 1:1 speed by default? ;p 14:54:24 <Ailure> thing is that I managed to get ride of my TTD binaries with TTDpatch and all when I moved to my new computer 14:54:29 <Ailure> So I can't really check 14:54:55 <Ailure> (ironically I somehow managed to transfer the TTO backup I had) 14:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, looks like i do not even have av8... 14:55:56 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 14:56:56 <Ailure> hmm 14:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> how do i set up a central newgrf directory that is used by all openttd versions i have? 14:58:37 <Maedhros> symlinks 14:58:40 <hylje> symlinks! 14:59:09 <Ailure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link 14:59:24 <Ailure> If you happen to be a windows user :p 14:59:35 <Ailure> Not many who knows that it's possible on NTFS 14:59:36 <Ailure> but it is 14:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am not... and i do 15:00:03 <Ailure> heh 15:00:18 <Ailure> but I suspect symlink is there to live up to some NIX standard or something 15:00:23 <Ailure> and it's not implented very well or somethng 15:00:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> but wasn't the newgrf system supposed to do that without symlinking? 15:00:53 <Maedhros> peter1138: heh, the planes in the intro screen are barely moving at all with your patch 15:01:10 <Ailure> [newgrf] 15:01:10 <Ailure> L:\Program\openTTD\OTTD-win32-nightly_build\data\pb_viaduct.grf 15:01:10 <Ailure> L:\Program\openTTD\OTTD-win32-nightly_build\data\pb_av8w.grf 15:01:10 <Ailure> L:\Program\openTTD\OTTD-win32-nightly_build\data\basic_platformsw.grf 15:01:16 <peter1138> indeed 15:01:16 <Ailure> well 15:01:23 <peter1138> because it doesn't update the cached values on load 15:01:25 <Ailure> you can just write the full file path now 15:01:29 <Maedhros> ah, i see 15:01:42 <peter1138> Ailure: but the gui doesn't let you do that 15:01:59 <Ailure> Is it really that hard to like 15:02:02 <Ailure> do it on one GUI 15:02:03 <peter1138> (cos the gui was written to understand a single data/...) 15:02:05 <Ailure> then copy it over for the rest? 15:02:18 <peter1138> no 15:02:44 <peter1138> you're better off using symlinks 15:02:44 <Ailure> reminds me I should clean up my data folders now 15:02:50 <Ailure> heh 15:02:52 <Ailure> well 15:02:57 <peter1138> because it won't find them for network games either 15:03:05 <peter1138> or even any games. hmm. 15:03:14 <Ailure> I have five diffrent openTTD folders xD 15:03:24 <Ailure> each one with almost same GRF's, but copied over the folders 15:03:32 <Ailure> hmm 15:03:42 <Ailure> thing is that windows can be confused with some NTFS features 15:04:05 <Ailure> saw a hilarious screenshot 15:04:11 <peter1138> well, at some point in the future i think you may be able to specify a single directory to use 15:04:17 <Ailure> where it reported something like 1 TB used of 30 GB 15:04:18 <peter1138> which'll do what you want 15:04:23 <Ailure> it was just a file being linked over and over again 15:04:34 <peter1138> heh 15:04:36 <Ailure> well that does make sense though 15:05:12 <Ailure> and the custom GRF's get's hard to differ from 'core' ones 15:05:22 <Ailure> ...unless oTTD also looks for newGRFS in subfolders 15:05:35 <hylje> :o 15:06:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> it always looked into subfolders 15:07:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> i always had them in data/newgrf 15:07:31 <hylje> does ottd break if i symlink into /? 15:07:39 <hylje> or to ../ ? 15:07:53 <Ailure> hmm 15:07:55 <Ailure> I see then 15:07:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have no idea :) 15:08:03 <Rubidium> hylje: yes 15:08:08 <Rubidium> once it is out of memory 15:08:09 <Ailure> guess that's a excuse to clean my newGRF files 15:08:10 <Ailure> and sort them 15:08:23 <hylje> i suppose 15:08:33 <hylje> it's not a given to check for recursion 15:13:01 *** Ammler [~Ammler@84.226.108.255] has joined #openttd 15:13:13 <DaleStan> Is there even any portable way to check a whether a FS recurses? 15:16:00 <ln-> what's a(n) FS? 15:16:40 <hylje> file system 15:16:53 <ln-> are you sure? 15:16:57 <hylje> rather 15:17:07 <hylje> considering the context 15:17:25 <ln-> context = the irc channel for a computer strategy game 15:17:46 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:54 <hylje> at the moment context involves recursion on symlinking to a parent directory 15:17:56 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [] 15:18:30 <Maedhros> ln-: that's more the location of the discussion than the context 15:24:00 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 15:24:03 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:25:55 <eJoJ> Hmmm, I can't start my ottd, it's output is "Error: Cannot open file 'data/srgw.grf'" what could be wrong? 15:26:29 <Maedhros> wrong file permissions? 15:28:00 <eJoJ> Same error with root 15:28:05 <peter1138> clear out the [newgrf] section in the config, probably 15:28:51 <eJoJ> nothing stated under [newgrf] in the config 15:29:28 <peter1138> hmm, newgrf-static? clutching at straws... 15:30:21 <eJoJ> static is also blank 15:31:25 <Belugas> <s>rgw.grf? 15:32:43 <eJoJ> srssgw.grf 15:49:16 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:26 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-179-68.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:49:42 <Digitalfox> Hi :) 15:50:22 <Digitalfox> Hello peter1138 15:50:51 <Digitalfox> Are you thinking of supporting "action 5, feature 0x12: aqueducs. " ? 15:50:55 <peter1138> no 15:51:17 <Digitalfox> no ? :\ 15:51:29 <Digitalfox> You don't like this feature? 15:51:41 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:46 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-233-235.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:17 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-01.Student.hig.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 16:07:58 *** Osai^away is now known as Osai 16:22:33 <Belugas> i am bored 16:22:42 <Belugas> to the point of boredom 16:22:51 <Digitalfox> hi belugas :) 16:22:55 <Prof_Frink> Do something then. 16:22:55 <Digitalfox> bored? 16:22:59 <Digitalfox> Play open 16:23:00 <Belugas> hello DaleStan 16:23:06 <Belugas> shit... 16:23:12 <Belugas> hello Digitalfox 16:23:16 <Digitalfox> lol ;) 16:23:17 <Belugas> sorry DaleStan 16:23:31 <Digitalfox> No work today? 16:23:47 <Belugas> Prof_Frink, i cant do any ottd stuff. Forgot my sd card at home :( 16:23:54 <Belugas> it has everything for ottd on it 16:24:18 <Digitalfox> oh no... One mora day for newindustries :( 16:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> i take it your work work is very boring? 16:24:33 <Belugas> yup. 16:25:01 <Belugas> i have to schematize and analyse in full detail how the sku entry goes in our point of sales app. 16:25:03 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: This is why you should do all development in vim in a screen session on a remote server 16:25:04 <Belugas> really boring 16:25:20 <Belugas> maybe... 16:25:33 <Belugas> too much stuff to learn on a single day :P 16:26:03 <Prof_Frink> Vim is easy. :wq 16:26:17 <Belugas> plus, i'm working on WinXP. Means habits to change 16:26:21 <Prof_Frink> Screen is easy. 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18:04:12 <dihedral> i give you ideas and you code - or were you thinking of something else? :-P 18:04:29 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489d2b9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> improve what? usability? complexity? pathfinder optimisation? 18:04:46 <dihedral> cpu load 18:04:53 <ln-> mobility on land? 18:04:53 <Wolf01> i have the ideas, i can code, i can't do it without knowledge 18:05:00 <Wolf01> maybe 18:05:07 <Wolf01> (hovercrafts) 18:05:18 <dihedral> what kind of 'knowledge' 18:05:23 <dihedral> are you looking for 18:05:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> you might want to start with the water bridges 18:05:54 <Wolf01> something more difficult than a "for" or "if" statement 18:06:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't like the idea of hovercrafts 18:06:18 <peter1138> hovercraft! 18:06:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> stupid language 18:06:47 *** BatchFile [~tleuser@ppp-58.9.161.41.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: ¡ÒÃÍÍ¡ä»] 18:13:08 <dihedral> i am familiar with coding, just not c 18:15:34 <dihedral> my packet just fell off the network stack 18:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am familiar with theory, just not with coding 18:16:29 <dihedral> feed us with some ideas Wolf01 18:16:53 <Wolf01> the first is "one ship per tile" 18:17:13 <Rubidium> that's going to be very nasty in canals/locks 18:17:19 <Wolf01> the second is "realistic locks" 18:17:30 <Wolf01> the third "better pathfinding" 18:17:46 <hylje> pathfinding that works at all 18:17:49 <dihedral> what you thinking off for "realistic locks" 18:17:59 <hylje> slow turning? 18:18:06 <Wolf01> maybe 18:18:25 <Wolf01> avoid 90 degrees turns sure 18:18:27 <dihedral> looking at the size of a ship and that of a cannal: no turning? 18:18:35 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 18:20:25 <Wolf01> Rubidium, if you plan to build a single tile narrow canal for double ways ship traffic you are wrong... you should think canals like track tiles, i think you don't use a single track for double way traffic and without signals 18:20:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9670 /trunk/src/ (station_map.cpp tunnel_map.cpp unmovable_map.h void_map.h): -Documentation: add documentation to some the _map files. 18:20:38 * Wolf01 should have dinner 18:20:40 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:20:53 <dihedral> hehehe 18:20:58 <dihedral> Rubidium: quite true 18:21:41 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> Wolf01|AWAY: but you have no way of forcing directions on water tile, like you can on track tiles with signals 18:21:54 <hylje> yet 18:21:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> so you can end up with 4 ships 18:22:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> -> <- 18:22:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> -> <- 18:22:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> blocking each other 18:22:10 <hylje> canals might need signals 18:23:13 <dihedral> yes 18:23:38 <dihedral> how about a tool to draw a water route 18:23:53 <dihedral> which would work like rail tracks, just not visible to other players 18:23:56 <hylje> and make water routes like railroad 18:23:58 <hylje> brilliant 18:24:37 <Rubidium> Wolf01|AWAY: well, in the NL they do run trains on single track without signals... 18:26:03 <Rubidium> (something with maintainance some 4 weeks ago went horribly wrong and the signalling still doesn't work on that piece of track) 18:28:35 <Rubidium> (oh, I shouldn't forget to tell that the maintainance was planned to take 2 days) 18:29:48 <dihedral> btw guys, had a little odd situation today on one of the game servers 18:30:05 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 18:30:20 <dihedral> one town 18:30:25 <dihedral> 2 facktories 18:30:29 <dihedral> with the exact same name 18:30:41 <dihedral> 2 players delivering to one factory each 18:30:54 <dihedral> but only one factory was showing the iron and the goods 18:31:07 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-207-67.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:31:12 <dihedral> sorry - the steal 18:31:15 <dihedral> and the goods 18:32:48 <Wolf01> [20:24:04] <hylje> and make water routes like railroad 18:32:48 <Wolf01> i was thinking about using buoys and draw a thick line to show where the ship will travel, not the exact path, but neither the bird fly path 18:33:41 <hylje> :o 18:33:54 <Wolf01> locks should have signals, maybe you can place signals on them like on the tracks 18:34:21 <Wolf01> and if you use 2 tiles wide canals you don't have problems with ships 18:34:57 <Wolf01> i offten use 2 locks and 2 buoys to tell which lock a ship should take 18:35:03 <hylje> :o 18:35:22 <Wolf01> and the most important thing: rename buoys!!!!! 18:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> Wolf01: like i already said, you have no means to prevent 2 ships from driving next to each other 18:35:37 <hylje> sea signals 18:35:42 <hylje> buoys 18:35:56 <Wolf01> yes, but if you have enough room it is not a big problem 18:35:56 <dihedral> afk 18:36:40 <Wolf01> is like when some newbies try to use 4 trains with a single track line with only double ways signals 18:36:53 <Wolf01> they will get stuck 18:37:10 <Wolf01> you have to transpose this think to ships 18:37:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9671 /trunk/src/ (9 files): -Codechange: Implement NewGRF callback 36, which allows changing of various properties which were previously static. Vehicle max speed and train power/te/running costs are adjustable. 18:37:54 <hylje> while you're at it, do the same for road vehicles 18:38:07 <hylje> one-way roads plz 18:38:37 <Wolf01> yes, this was another point i wanted to improve 18:39:04 <Wolf01> but when i asked for help i got no response and so i left 18:39:17 *** HMage`afk is now known as HMage 18:39:20 <hylje> but do the boats first 18:39:30 <hylje> boats are way more useless than RVs 18:39:50 <peter1138> i had a patch somewhere to implement multistop for ships 18:39:54 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.126.78.172] has quit [] 18:40:41 <hylje> i think the most elegant way to do waterways is to have buoy-connected straight paths, also diagonal 18:40:57 <hylje> the buoys could be double-way or one-way as signals are 18:42:25 <Wolf01> Frostregen once did more docks per station when i was working with him at the distant join patch, but we never tried if it really worked 18:55:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> how about this: place buoys in between tiles, and reserve two paths between them, one on the right and one on the left 18:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> this would also mean, ships will not go "over" the buoys anymore, but actually pass them 18:58:13 <peter1138> has to be turn on and offable, heh 18:58:13 <hylje> ships would become ridiculously small then 18:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> hylje: what? there was no change in ships in there... 18:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> ships would still be 1 tile wide 18:59:06 <hylje> ah 18:59:07 <hylje> in between 18:59:22 <hylje> that could work 18:59:55 <hylje> if you mean the buoys would mark waterways much like railroad 19:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i read the intention of Wolf01 as follows: buoys mark the end points of waterway segments, and the paths inbetween are fixed (automatically) as a more or less straight line 19:01:41 <hylje> yes 19:01:50 <hylje> i'd not make it too intelligent 19:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> ship pathfinding would then reduce to buoy hopping 19:01:58 <hylje> and make it just mark straight lines 19:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, "straight" is not a very good concept in tile based space 19:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> you could say something like "max. 2 45° turns" 19:05:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> max. 1 should be easier 19:05:21 <hylje> perhaps 19:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> but that might cause problems on canals/rivers with a lot of corners 19:06:13 <hylje> people could be expected to put down more buoys there 19:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, but people putting buoys on every 2nd tile could kinda defeat the purpose of simplifying things 19:07:18 <hylje> thats their choice 19:07:24 <Wolf01> docks might be handled like tracks with all track segments in one tile 19:07:28 <Wolf01> *canals 19:07:42 <Wolf01> s/docks/canals 19:07:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> Wolf01: i believe renaming buoys is just a matter of correctly handling buoy owners 19:14:13 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 19:14:15 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-185-141.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:14:26 <Wolf01> hello MeusH 19:14:27 <MeusH> heyahello 19:14:49 <MeusH> hey Wolf01, have you made some new patches? :) 19:15:21 <Wolf01> i'm crying here and poking some people to get an help for my next work :) 19:15:51 <MeusH> what kind of work? 19:16:04 <Wolf01> i'm planning to improve a bit the ships 19:16:09 <MeusH> wow, that's great 19:16:17 <MeusH> do you have some more details somewherre? 19:16:41 <Wolf01> you can read the logs, all i've thought is all here :D 19:16:42 <MeusH> well, you could help me a bit - to describe newest features. could you? 19:17:15 <Wolf01> i'll try :) 19:18:26 <MeusH> seems there are new types of towns, called Cities 19:18:29 <MeusH> is that right? 19:18:46 <MeusH> for example here: 19:18:47 <MeusH> Proportion of towns that will become cities 19:19:02 <MeusH> what the difference between cities and towns? 19:19:09 <hylje> cities grow faster 19:19:14 <Wolf01> yep 19:20:55 <MeusH> thanks 19:21:05 <MeusH> brb 19:22:47 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498D545.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:02 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B8243C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:37:00 <Wolf01> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/New_Ships i got the idea to improve the ships from here :P 19:37:17 <Wolf01> and i was thinking some others improvements 19:38:08 <Wolf01> i think the reserved path in front of a ship is not difficult to code, but i think also that it will use more cpu 19:39:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b823cb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:16 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B823CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:35 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 19:41:27 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:41:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8243C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:41:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:43:46 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:22 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:30 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:54:00 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B8243C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: It's like, wah.] 20:01:10 <MeusH> Wolf01, regarding towns and cities: does "Town growth speed:" mean that towns do grow, and cities do not (or their growth is not under control)? 20:01:54 <Wolf01> both should grow 20:02:03 <Wolf01> but cities more quickly 20:04:21 <MeusH> hmm 20:04:28 <MeusH> well, I don't really get it :( 20:04:56 <MeusH> the patch allows player to change groth rate of cities/town/villages/whatever you call it, right? 20:05:01 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 20:05:01 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:05:25 <MeusH> and the other thing is adding a "city" that has different parameters than "town"? 20:07:48 <hylje> some grf maker should make a ship with a rowing excavator 20:08:11 <hylje> (ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9GOJt5mRIg) 20:13:16 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:13:28 <MeusH> haha that owns :D 20:14:17 <hylje> do it! :D 20:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> MeusH: "cities" always grow twice as fast as "towns" 20:15:53 <MeusH> aha, thank you :) 20:30:17 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:14 <MeusH> are cities going to be somehow marked to be distinguished from casual towns, soon? 20:32:51 <eJoJ> Is it no ways to seperate them ingame now? 20:33:42 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@213-35-169-161-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [] 20:33:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:33:55 <MeusH> dobry wieczór Sacro :) 20:35:03 <Sacro> MeusH: eh? 20:35:15 <MeusH> good evening dude :) 20:37:07 <Sacro> evening MeusH 20:50:56 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-11-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:54:29 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-230-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 20:54:50 *** Ammler [~Ammler@84.226.108.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:30 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB6BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:30 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:41 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 21:02:16 <Belugas> bye bye 21:02:41 <Digitalfox[Home]> bye 21:07:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:59 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 21:15:57 <Sacro> ZOMG 21:16:00 <Sacro> USER PATCH MERGING? 21:16:08 <peter1138> lies 21:18:15 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:33 <MeusH> bye 21:20:09 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 21:22:23 <eJoJ> Why does the fast speed option run at variable speed? 21:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> fast forward goes as fast as your CPU can handle 21:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> if there is more to calculate, it is going slower 21:25:38 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:47 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:08 <ln-> does it even do a sched_yield() ever? 21:26:58 <Wolf01> night 21:27:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:27:18 <eJoJ> Eddi|zuHause3 is it a command to make a dedicated server go in fast mode? 21:27:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i do not think it is possible in multiplayer 21:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> because it is impossible to synchronise 21:36:26 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CF53.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:39:18 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498D545.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:44:14 <peter1138> not so 21:44:29 <peter1138> the server provides the 'clock' in multiplayer mode 21:46:22 <peter1138> somehow :p 21:53:14 <peter1138> i can't see how now 21:53:18 <peter1138> ne'r mind 22:00:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:27 <Rubidium> it's just that every client has to run (much) faster than the server, otherwise they will never catch up when joining 22:09:21 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9672 /trunk/src/ (62 files in 9 dirs): -Cleanup: lots of coding style fixes around operands. 22:25:31 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:56 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-185-141.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 22:30:05 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8243C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [icebears... take care of them!] 22:33:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8243C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:33:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:41:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9673 /trunk/src/ (21 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: remove spaces before tabs and replace non-indenting tabs with spaces. 22:42:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:56:05 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:15 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 23:06:39 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:11:34 <Sacro> oh noes 23:26:14 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:01 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 23:43:06 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:52:49 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:50 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]