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00:05:27 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:09:13 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-251-116.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 00:10:36 <Smoovious> midi and ogg just aren't comparable as music file types 00:11:06 <Smoovious> midis are just an instruction set for how to play the music... ogg is a recording 00:11:27 <svip> Yes. 00:11:32 <svip> But no one uses midis any more. 00:11:42 <Smoovious> yes they do 00:11:51 <svip> I mean on a serious level. 00:11:56 <Smoovious> so do I 00:12:54 <Sacro> midis ftw 00:13:26 <Smoovious> midis didn't even originate wiith computers, but with electric keyboards 00:14:05 <Smoovious> and personally, I won't buy a sound card without excellent, programmable, midi support 00:16:13 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-233-197.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:20:20 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:20 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:39:40 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:01 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 00:42:43 <MrBrrr> Aye Aye! 00:43:20 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:53 *** Dark_Link^alco is now known as Dark_Link^ 00:49:02 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-69.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:52:01 <svip> :| 00:52:02 <svip> Hm. 00:52:11 <svip> In order to check for which tool is selected. 00:52:23 <svip> I need to make some sort check function. 00:52:34 <svip> But also make it public the functions that _place_proc refers to. 00:52:38 <svip> So I can compare them. 00:52:48 <svip> Unless of course there is another way to check what something points at. 00:56:58 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:59:07 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-251-116.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:04:51 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:07:55 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:12 <Belugas> [19:34] <svip> You can't? Or you _can't_? <--- the music is not our property, but still Atari (or whoever has the rights). So if we convert them to something else, it means we are manipulating original and copyright material. 01:16:27 <Belugas> therefor, cannot touch nor convert the music 01:16:44 <Sacro> not even whistle it on the bus? 01:17:19 <Belugas> but we would welcome all the artists who could donate any piece of good and in-the-style type of musice :) 01:17:37 <Belugas> and yes, why not, recording of Sacro's whistling :) 01:18:04 <Sacro> hehe 01:18:11 <Sacro> i have the tt music on my phone 01:18:20 <Sacro> i have Broomers Rag when i recieve a call 01:18:27 <Sacro> and the TTDX theme for my alarm 01:21:07 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:21:23 <Belugas> not as hooked :D 01:22:25 <Belugas> alhough my cell phone rings with the sound of a steam engine entering a station, with whistle and steeam release :) 01:22:40 <Belugas> plus the tracks clickering 01:27:51 <_Ben_> If people play back the music on instruments, but the sheet music is made from the midi, would that still be copyright to atari? (or whoever..) 01:30:26 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7547E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:04 <Sacro> _Ben_: yes 01:33:12 <_Ben_> hmm, how to artists usually get away with doing covers? 01:33:17 <Sacro> err 01:33:19 <Sacro> Fair use 01:33:25 <Sacro> or they pay royalties 01:34:49 <Belugas> or they make enough modifications that it is almost a different song, such as the lawyers could not prove it is the same. 01:35:04 <Belugas> difference between inspired and copied, i guess :) 01:36:17 <_Ben_> hmm, if you are playing it on an instrument then it can only be inspired, as the original method was manually entered 01:36:45 <_Ben_> what about just switching the key to a perfect 4th of the original. Almost the same, but not a single note in common! 01:37:07 <Belugas> progressin is still the same 01:37:22 <Belugas> transposition is not a new song 01:37:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7784F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37:45 <Belugas> what about getting a keyboard ang get inspired :D 01:37:57 <_Ben_> I have a keyboard 01:38:13 <Belugas> my stuff is only on guitar, and i can't finish a damn song i've composed 01:38:36 <Belugas> you do? nice :) 01:38:58 <Belugas> in that case, we may start to replace the files :D 01:38:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:39:06 <_Ben_> I can play the TT theme song, although I don't have a convincin claranet midi, although my sister plays claranet but I dought I could convince her to play TT music! 01:43:22 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:45:28 <_Ben_> If an artist rights sheet music, its not illegal to sell a recording of that being played is it? Or is that different as you buy that right when paying for the sheet music? 01:45:36 <_Ben_> writes* 01:46:05 <Belugas> i do not know... it may depends on what you wnat to do, i guess 01:46:21 <Belugas> as for the sound of claranet, weel... to bad :) 01:46:34 <Belugas> maybe we need some new music style ;) 01:48:06 <_Ben_> suggestions? 01:49:15 *** lugo [~lugo@pD95822E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:51:39 <Belugas> it has to be hem... 01:51:44 <Belugas> entertaining, 01:52:01 <Belugas> with good rythm, 01:52:06 <Belugas> something joyfull 01:52:16 <_Ben_> christmas carols... 01:52:19 <Belugas> lol 01:56:26 <_Ben_> hmm well structured jazz is kinda that, although that is the original style is it not? 02:26:40 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:36:12 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-58-232.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 02:37:02 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-144-147.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> <_Ben_> hmm, how to artists usually get away with doing covers? <- here is an institution [in germany that's called GEMA] that gathers money from all performing artists and gives it to the writers of the music. there is a similar institution for playing back recordings, which pays to the artists that recorded it 02:44:30 <_Ben_> Do you know how long music holds copyright? 02:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> like anything else, death of the author + 70 years [in europe] 02:45:43 <_Ben_> hmm tricky to get around that one 02:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> means you are free to play mozart or beethoven ;) 02:46:32 <Sacro> so we need to kill CS 02:46:35 <Sacro> and then wait 70 years 02:46:40 <_Ben_> somehow I don't think TT players would see that as a suitable equivilent 02:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> chances are, CS had absolutely nothing to do with the music :p 02:47:16 <Sacro> Simon Broomhall then 02:47:47 <_Ben_> well we could do some scott joplin, as locomotion has 02:51:54 <_Ben_> If the original TT music is recorded from real instruments and distributed, I asume that wouldn't be a crime if it released under a leicence that inshores it remains free, as it's the profiting that would be the crime right? 02:54:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think that is going to work... 02:56:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> the laws (at least in germany) are a little more liberal with music than with software, i.e. you are allowed to make private copys of music and give them to family and close friends (as long as it does not involve circumventing copy protection)... but afaik that does not include non-profit public distribution 02:57:37 <_Ben_> dam the law. Always getting in my way 02:57:54 <MrBrrr> lol 02:57:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> (note that it also does not include "friends" you "meet" over "filesharing programs" :p) 02:59:44 <_Ben_> Although the music is devirved from a copyrighted origin if you were to transfer midi to sheet and then play it on instruments, the actually music you have has required a person/people to add a great deal of there own work to it in order to get the music to the finished state, so I think that is quite unfair that it remains copyrighed to the author of the midi 03:00:07 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-69.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not necessarily the author of the midi, it's the composer of the music, which might or might not be the same person 03:01:26 <_Ben_> In TT I asume it is the same person? 03:01:30 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no idea... but creating a midi from sheet music is usually not a "creative work" in the sense of copyright law... 03:03:09 <_Ben_> yeah, I was refering to the reading and playing of an instrument that is creative 03:06:33 *** jow [~jow@e179202221.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:14:35 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:20:41 *** MrBrrr [~chatzilla@bas3-montreal02-1096683097.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]] 03:23:45 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:37:28 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:38:32 <Smoovious> making a midi from sheet music is an awful way to make a midi file anyways 03:44:41 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-69.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:48:25 *** 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[Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 07:40:23 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387CB40.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:44:40 *** redmonkey [~redmonkey@p54A079D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 07:45:29 *** phiker [~black-sco@U9cae.u.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:45:52 <phiker> hi, is it currently planned to have easier upgrade methods for trains instead of having to replace them all one by one? 07:47:06 *** Lachie [~fake@CPE-58-168-5-81.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:48:49 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:49:28 <Wolf01> hello 08:04:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11030 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp openttd.cpp saveload.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Revert r11016, Fix [FS#1178]: the way to determine whether a station should get goods was not done properly. 08:04:38 <Rubidium> phiker: there's something called autoreplace that does that 08:08:04 <phiker> Rubidium: how can I use that? 08:08:48 <Rubidium> see the wiki 08:09:02 <Rubidium> something like wiki.openttd.org/wiki/Autoreplace (I think) 08:09:39 <Rubidium> actually, http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Autoreplace works better 08:10:07 <phiker> uhm well, I meant upgrading like monorail -> maglev 08:10:35 <Rubidium> then no, I think 08:10:44 <phiker> not even planned? 08:11:22 <Rubidium> we'd first need multitile (read multirailtype) depots for that 08:12:10 <phiker> why not simply let users define what engines should be replaced with other ones in the replace vehicles dialogue, and then replace them when the upgrade tool is applied to a rail depot? 08:12:53 <Rubidium> because one shouldn't have maglev trains in a monorail depot and vice versa 08:13:19 <phiker> when you upgrade it, it becomes a maglev depot 08:13:24 <phiker> and therefore can have maglev trains in it 08:13:34 <Rubidium> yes, but first you have monorail trains in it 08:13:44 <phiker> which were upgraded from monorail trains according to the rules defined in some dialogue 08:13:59 <Rubidium> not if you didn't specify it 08:14:05 <phiker> I want to specify it. 08:14:14 <phiker> Otherwise an error box could be shown. 08:14:15 <Rubidium> yes, but sometimes people don't 08:14:31 <phiker> then it wonÂŽt work, but thatÂŽs not too big a problem 08:14:52 <phiker> ItÂŽs a hundred times easier to specify this and then upgrade your complete railnet instead of replacing 40 trains one by one. 08:14:59 <Rubidium> either do it correctly or don't do it at all 08:15:27 <phiker> well, whatÂŽs wrong with letting the user define what should happen? 08:16:01 <Rubidium> it brings the game in an inconsistent state and people start complaining that it "doesn't" work 08:16:11 <phiker> inconsistent? in what way? 08:16:30 <Rubidium> monorail vehicles on maglev track for example 08:16:55 <phiker> and... how should that happen with this approach? 08:17:10 <Rubidium> depots have track to 08:17:26 <phiker> indeed 08:17:30 <Rubidium> and track types are only checked when they change 08:17:30 <phiker> and... whereÂŽs the problem? 08:17:40 *** Dark_Link^skola [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 08:17:43 <Rubidium> so once a monorail train is on maglev track it will happily run 08:17:57 <phiker> and how should it get there? 08:17:59 <Rubidium> and then people start complaining that monorail runs on maglev and vice versa 08:18:59 <phiker> (perhaps IÂŽm just too stupid, but IÂŽm really trying to understand what youÂŽre saying :-) 08:19:41 <Rubidium> because you have maglev trains in a monorail depot (or vice versa) because you didn't set an autoreplace for all vehicles, trains will run on the wrong track type 08:20:04 <phiker> no 08:20:15 <phiker> if I donÂŽt set an autoreplace, nothing gets done and an error box is shown 08:20:56 <phiker> "You canÂŽt upgrade this depot because you didnÂŽt specify a replacement for train 36." or something like that 08:21:56 <Rubidium> oh... and what when you can't have coal wagons on maglev? (Like with most newgrfs) 08:22:29 <Rubidium> it would require a hell of a lot of code to get it right 08:22:36 <phiker> you canÂŽt have coal wagons on maglev? sorry, I didnÂŽt know that 08:22:50 <phiker> well then, probably the user shouldnÂŽt be upgrading his network if he wants to continue delivering coal... 08:22:54 <Rubidium> as I said: with some newgrfs 08:23:14 <phiker> so he wonÂŽt use this feature and wonÂŽt have problems 08:24:26 <Rubidium> people are stupid and click on everything 08:24:52 <phiker> thatÂŽs true I guess 08:25:23 <phiker> youÂŽre right, showing an error box then is much work 08:25:26 <SmatZ> phiker: you can code a client-side patch to do that work for you 08:25:58 <phiker> SmatZ: of course I could. IÂŽm just wondering why this isnÂŽt included by default. Now I know :-) 08:26:19 <phiker> Though I still think it would be worth it... 08:26:51 <Rubidium> phiker: problem is that there are a gazillion other things that are "worth" it to be included 08:27:11 <phiker> so thereÂŽs simply no time for working on that particular "feature"? 08:27:17 <SmatZ> yes, similiarly I would like an ability to upgrade railtype when a train goes over it... 08:27:21 <Rubidium> and the autoreplace dev has not that much time 08:27:57 <phiker> SmatZ: and why donÂŽt you use the normal replace tool? 08:28:02 <phiker> itÂŽs not too much work, is it? 08:28:46 <phiker> ok then, IÂŽll try making a patch. ItÂŽll sure be crappy. But itÂŽs enough if it works for me. 08:29:34 <SmatZ> phiker: because it cannot be done 08:29:44 <SmatZ> when a train is on the tile, you cannot convert it 08:30:11 <SmatZ> funny 08:30:28 <SmatZ> you can convert depots, when a train is on the tile, but not regular railway 08:30:35 <phiker> wouldnÂŽt it be a bit unrealistic if you could upgrade a train while itÂŽs driving? 08:31:33 <SmatZ> now I was talking about railway->el.railway conversion 08:31:48 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11031 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: reduce the amount of duplication of bit counting functions. Based on patches by skidd13, SmatZ and Belugas. 08:31:49 <phiker> aah 08:32:04 <SmatZ> similiarly, there could be trains that run both on monorail and maglev... 08:32:29 <phiker> although I canÂŽt calculate this, it doesnÂŽt sound like itÂŽs much work? 08:32:30 <SmatZ> I think OTTD can be unrealistic :) 08:32:50 <phiker> but what I thought you meant was _very_ unrealistic ;) 08:32:56 <SmatZ> :-) 08:35:29 <Noldo> Rubidium is on a bug closing spree 08:35:31 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387CB40.versanet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:16 <phiker> isnÂŽt it sufficient to check whether the railway is ugpraded normal->electric and allow it then? 08:36:41 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F187.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:13 <SmatZ> Rubidium: is it intended, that a Railway depot can be upgraded to El.Rail, even when there is a train not stopped in the depot? 08:37:33 <SmatZ> phiker: yes... probably there was some decision form devs not to allow that 08:37:44 <SmatZ> I don't know 08:37:57 <phiker> SmatZ: perhaps. although I donÂŽt know why they should disallow that 08:38:01 <Rubidium> el rail came *after* the convert tool 08:38:10 <Rubidium> says enough I think 08:38:26 <phiker> :D 08:39:48 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:40:06 <phiker> given that someone does that task, would it be included then? 08:41:10 <SmatZ> I will do something about it 08:41:32 <phiker> great 08:41:40 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 08:42:02 <phiker> then IÂŽll try doing something about the normal railway -> maglev thing... 08:43:29 <peter1138> different kettle of fish 08:43:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:43:57 <peter1138> well, all the vehicles have different engine types 08:51:40 <SmatZ> hmmm it needs more work - if an electrified rail can be converted to normal rail 08:51:51 <TrueBrain> GOOD MORNING VIETNAM! 08:51:53 <TrueBrain> wait, wrong date.. 08:51:54 <SmatZ> when an el.train is already on the tile 08:52:11 <SmatZ> rather second world war :-P 08:52:13 <phiker> is this that difficult to check? 08:52:49 <SmatZ> phiker: no... but I am not sure if there is any reason to allow conversion el.rail -> normal rail 08:54:08 <Nickman> hi all 08:54:12 <phiker> SmatZ: iÂŽm not aware of one, but that doesnÂŽt mean that there is none... 08:54:52 <TrueBrain> morning Nickman 08:55:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB40.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:55:30 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:55:52 <SmatZ> a nice bug in current code - buy an el. train, let it go a little bit out of depot (stay on the same tile), then convert the el.rail to normal rail 08:56:09 <SmatZ> mmmm 08:56:17 <SmatZ> strange now it works :D 08:58:19 <peter1138> :D 08:58:42 <Noldo> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1149 anyone :) 09:01:05 <SmatZ> yes ... convert it to normal rail, reverse the train, then convert it back 09:01:12 <SmatZ> to el. rail and it won't start 09:01:21 <SmatZ> you have to reverse it again 09:01:50 <Nickman> whats going on today? :) 09:01:56 <SmatZ> so - the status of the train (hp) is updated only when reversing, not while converting rails under the train 09:02:44 <SmatZ> Nickman: we (I) are (am) now taling about rail -> el. rail ->rail conversion 09:03:10 <Nickman> I saw ;), seems like a bug to me :p 09:03:32 <SmatZ> yes... I will do something about that 09:05:52 <SmatZ> *will try ... 09:06:13 <Nickman> :D 09:08:03 <phiker> does a depot count as MP_RAILWAY, MP_STATION, MP_ROAD or MP_TUNNELBRIDGE? 09:08:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:10:21 <phiker> guess I have to figure that out myself then... 09:10:36 <SmatZ> I would suppose MP_RAILWAY 09:10:55 <SmatZ> but do not trust me, better verify :) 09:11:43 <phiker> SmatZ: youÂŽre right 09:11:46 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:13:09 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11032 /trunk/src/clear_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: unmagicify some table sizes and removal of some unnecessary variables. Patch by frosch. 09:18:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F073.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:50 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:50 <phiker> ah btw rubidium 09:22:04 <phiker> the monorail train wonÂŽt run on a maglev railway because of missing power :D 09:27:43 *** llugo [~lugo@pD9583819.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:52 *** lugo [~lugo@pD95822E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:26 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:57 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:45:45 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:13 <SmatZ> what is the meaning of Train_Multiheaded ? 09:50:21 <SmatZ> and Train_Articulated_Part ? 09:50:25 <SmatZ> I mean 09:50:51 <phiker> SmatZ: perhaps whether the train has multiple engines? 09:51:34 <SmatZ> for TGV, one part is Train_Engine | Train_Front | Train_Multiheaded 09:51:39 <SmatZ> second has only Train_Multiheaded 09:52:03 <SmatZ> eg. what is the difference between Train_Multiheaded and Train_Articulated_Part ? 09:52:21 <SmatZ> I though the second part will have Train_Articulated_Part, but it doesn't :-( 09:54:01 <TrueBrain> articulated parts are part of the first engine and can not be disconnected 09:54:09 <TrueBrain> multiheaded can have N things between the first and last 09:54:34 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: thank you 09:54:35 <TrueBrain> a coal wagon behind a steam engine is articulated 09:54:40 <TrueBrain> a TGV is multiheaded 09:54:48 <TrueBrain> a dictonary lookup would have helped you out too ;) 09:56:16 <SmatZ> I though TGV and similiar trains are Articulated in TTD, so I was confused 09:57:38 <SmatZ> for safe check, whether a vehicle has some power, is 09:57:53 <SmatZ> IsTrainEngine(v) || IsMultiheaded(v) 09:57:55 <SmatZ> enough? 09:58:09 <SmatZ> or should I use 09:58:11 <SmatZ> GetVehicleProperty(u, 0x0B, rvi_u->power) 09:58:11 <SmatZ> ? 09:59:37 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:07:20 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> SmatZ: there are powered wagons (e.g. DBSetXL) 10:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> depending on consist, some passenger or mail wagons have power 10:10:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 10:13:00 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.1 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 10:13:19 <peter1138> check TrainPowerChanged() basically 10:13:39 <peter1138> but remember it is allowed for electric power to be on non-electric rail if it has non-electric power as well 10:16:57 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: peter1138 I will do my best 10:18:18 <peter1138> what are you solving, anyway 10:20:19 <SmatZ> to make better ability of converting rail <-> el.rail 10:20:36 <SmatZ> now, only depots can be converted 10:20:44 <SmatZ> but even when there is a train outside the depot 10:21:09 <SmatZ> I think it would be nice to convert rail <-> el. rail even when there is a train on it 10:21:14 <SmatZ> don't you think so? 10:21:28 <TrueBrain> sjoep sjoep sjoep sjoep 10:21:30 <TrueBrain> sing with me! 10:21:36 <SmatZ> if not, I won't do that patch, and I will only make small changes 10:21:40 <SmatZ> sjoep sjoep sjoep sjoep 10:21:55 <SmatZ> peter1138: ^^^ 10:24:44 <SmatZ> do you want to be possible to convert rail -> monorail on a crossing, when there is a road vehicle on it? 10:28:29 <Alltaken> hi guys 10:28:43 <Alltaken> hows the game going everyone. 10:30:02 *** lugo [~lugo@pD9583819.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:20 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:52 *** llugo [~lugo@pD9583819.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:47 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:50:02 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]] 10:55:50 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:19 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:14:16 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5946.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 11:18:52 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-39-253.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:25 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 11:35:58 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493C557.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:37:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F073.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:14 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:06:01 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:18 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:20:53 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-135-224.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:39 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:32:12 *** Dephenom [~paul@81-178-15-211.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 12:36:46 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 12:42:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB40.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:36 <svip> :O 12:45:10 <nairan> *.* 12:45:44 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 12:46:00 <svip> Pretty eyes. 12:48:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> i kinda associate other things with *.* :p 12:48:51 <svip> :P 12:50:53 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-27-82.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:50:58 <nairan> heh 12:59:13 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-69.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:59:26 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-27-82.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:30 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-27-82.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:08:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C58B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:34 *** karsten [~karsten@cp308423-a.schoo1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:09:38 <karsten> hello 13:09:51 <karsten> I have a question about openttd 13:09:56 <svip> Hello, Dutchie. 13:10:15 <karsten> does anyone know if it is possible to autofill the train orders table? 13:11:06 <svip> Checked the wiki? 13:11:39 <karsten> i can't find anything about it 13:11:54 <svip> Hm. 13:12:05 <svip> I don't think it is possible in the trunk yet. 13:12:36 <karsten> i can only find on the global internet that is is possible to autofill the time's in an timetable with a patch 13:12:51 <svip> Yeah. 13:12:55 <svip> You need a patch. 13:12:59 <svip> I've read about it. 13:13:40 <karsten> but where can i find that patch? i even don't know the name from that patch 13:14:32 <svip> Two seconds... 13:14:58 <svip> Here we go. 13:14:58 <svip> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=33524 13:16:01 <karsten> ok thanks fot that 13:16:05 <karsten> I shall try it 13:25:01 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-135-224.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:27:42 *** phiker [~black-sco@U9cae.u.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:28:26 *** karsten [~karsten@cp308423-a.schoo1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:32:00 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-131-27-82.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:28 *** MrBrrr [~chatzilla@bas3-montreal02-1096689119.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 14:01:34 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:28:03 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:07 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:28:40 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:28:43 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 14:28:51 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:28:57 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 14:36:16 <Wolf01> uh, i just noticed the fundraiser campaign for OTTD.org, remember me to donate 20⬠when i'll get my new card 14:36:30 <svip> :O 14:36:42 <svip> So what is the money for? 14:36:46 <svip> Buy out Chris Sawyer? 14:36:49 <svip> Buying* 14:36:59 <TrueBrain> follow the blue link! :) 14:37:04 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: tnx a lot, and we will ;) 14:37:05 <svip> Blue? 14:37:42 <TrueBrain> links are blue here 14:37:47 <TrueBrain> even if they are in the topic 14:37:48 <Wolf01> the problem is *when* i'll get the new card... i asked for it 2 days ago :P 14:37:49 <svip> :| 14:37:53 <svip> Not really. 14:37:58 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: that sucks 14:38:32 <Wolf01> the links are in yellow for me :D 14:38:38 <svip> :| 14:38:43 <svip> The links are not coloured for me. 14:38:51 <svip> Because I have disabled colours. 14:38:54 <svip> On IRC. 14:39:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80542.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8365B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:41:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:46:38 <thingwath> is revision 11011 just a performance thing? 14:46:54 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 11011 14:46:55 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by rubidium :: r11011 /trunk/src (10 files) (2007-08-30 21:11:12 UTC) 14:46:56 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: -Fix [FS#1129]: GetFirstVehicleInChain did change the game state while being marked const. 14:46:57 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: -Codechange: do not brute force determine the first vehicle in the chain or previous vehicle, but do it by properly accounting the previous and first pointers when updating the next pointer. This gives a performance increase of about 15% when there are a lot of vehicles in the game. 14:47:14 <TrueBrain> I think the commit logs really says it all :) 14:47:42 <thingwath> well... 14:47:50 <thingwath> it breaks my tender locomotives 14:48:03 <svip> Hmmm? 14:48:21 <TrueBrain> indeed: hmmm? :) 14:50:19 <thingwath> http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xbarto11/r11011.gif - ugly :) 14:50:26 <svip> .gif? 14:50:29 <svip> No wonder it is ugly. 14:50:36 <thingwath> :) 14:50:42 <svip> And there is no month called "Led". 14:50:46 <svip> What are you trying to put on us? 14:50:54 <thingwath> in czech, it is :P 14:51:09 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.155.249.150] has joined #openttd 14:51:13 <nairan> what grf ya use? 14:51:24 <thingwath> csdset (tycoonez.com) 14:51:52 <SmatZ> thingwath: how do you mean, "breaks"? 14:51:58 <thingwath> look at the screen 14:52:57 <thingwath> there should be tender, not a second engine :) 14:53:41 <thingwath> (reverting the patch makes it work again...) 14:55:09 <SmatZ> openttd: /mnt/svn/openttd/trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp:165: void TrainConsistChanged(Vehicle*): Assertion `u->First() == v' failed. 14:55:31 <SmatZ> when I try to buy Albatros... 14:56:25 <Noldo> backtrace might help 14:58:31 *** Chris82 [~Chris82@p579E1C08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:03 <Chris82> hi guys :) 14:59:19 <Chris82> haven't been here for a while and now I am overloaded with syncing work with ChrisIN :D 14:59:33 <Chris82> ShowTrainViewWindow() has been removed in r10997 is there a replacement for it? 15:00:04 <svip> @openttd commit 10997 15:00:09 <DorpsGek> svip: Commit by rubidium :: r10997 /trunk/src (13 files) (2007-08-29 20:50:58 UTC) 15:00:10 <DorpsGek> svip: -Codechange: unify the vehicle view window. Patch by PhilSophus. 15:00:37 <svip> They have been "unified", Chris82. 15:00:54 <Chris82> yeah so I guess there is one single function now, but I don't know the name of it 15:01:06 <svip> Tried grepping for it? 15:01:07 <Chris82> the Vehicle Console Commands used it so I just try to update it 15:01:17 <Chris82> I am on Vista ;) no grepping here 15:01:21 <svip> :| 15:01:29 <Noldo> svn.openttd.org will help 15:01:31 <nairan> well chris i hope the mail subsidy will get into trunk so subsidies are complete again =) 15:01:44 <Noldo> check the changeset of that r10997 15:01:49 *** nairan is now known as mcbane 15:01:58 <Chris82> the mail subsidies will also be updated in the next ChrisIN because they have a "bug" 15:02:14 <Chris82> it's possibly that such a small town that doesn't even produce mail offers a mail subsidy :D 15:02:33 <Chris82> *possible 15:02:39 <Chris82> I'll have a look at it Noldo 15:02:46 <mcbane> which one the one of soovious or of wlander 15:03:11 <mcbane> pitty i have no clue of programming.. 15:03:45 <Chris82> well I use the code of wlander to update the current code but I might change additional things 15:04:10 <Chris82> first I need to update the current patches because the unification of vehicles has broken quite a few things 15:04:34 <Chris82> but it also allows me to simplify the way vehicle running costs are calculated for the different daylengths 15:04:52 <thingwath> here is that backtrace http://rafb.net/p/97gqpR58.html 15:07:16 <Chris82> a switch with only a default case is not really useful right? 15:08:03 <blathijs> will probably get optimized out :-) 15:08:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-22-229.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:11:04 <Chris82> http://paste.openttd.org/217 < is this correct? 15:12:35 <Noldo> looks fine 15:12:35 <blathijs> Chris82: Is that old code really correct? Is ShowTrainViewWindow(v); really called always? 15:13:34 <Chris82> that old code is from Vehicle Console Commands and I didn't hear of any bugs so I guess it's correct 15:13:44 <Chris82> I just don't know what this default case is for 15:13:49 <TrueBrain> @p[ 15:13:50 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. 15:13:51 <TrueBrain> @op 15:13:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 15:14:29 *** TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.2 | Fundraiser 2007/2008 Closed (310.12 pounds in less than 24 hours!). Thank you all very much for your support!! 15:14:42 <svip> But you removed the link? 15:14:45 <Chris82> oh hi Truebrain, I read on the homepage that you need money for hosting... do you take free webspace or bandwith as well as a donation? :D 15:14:46 <blathijs> Chris82: The default NOT_REACHED() is not supposed to occur, but a switch must have a default case IIRC 15:14:55 <Chris82> ah ok 15:15:11 <blathijs> Chris82: Depends on the form in which you can offer it 15:15:22 <TrueBrain> Chris82: what blathijs says ;) 15:15:35 <Chris82> well I have a root server with 3 500 GB drives and that space is not even closely used 15:15:45 <Chris82> but it only has 500 GB traffic a month of which I use ~50% 15:16:06 <Chris82> and it runs with Server 2003 not Linux ;) 15:16:43 <TrueBrain> bah, microsoft :p 15:16:45 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 15:17:15 <Noldo> thingwath: was there a bug report about that thing already? 15:17:23 <TrueBrain> But we might want to use some of your webspace + bandwidth for our nightly archive, as it is pretty big :p But with the current amount of donation, we might even have a way to sort that out more easier 15:18:27 <thingwath> Noldo: I can't find any 15:18:50 <Chris82> kk, just let me know when you need some space, just checked and there's 1,1 TB free :D 15:19:04 <mcbane> nice. 15:19:17 <SmatZ> I spend like 40s on "[SRC] Linking openttd" :-x 15:21:39 <Chris82> hmmm on this line "v = v->next;" I get multiple errors I didn't have before 15:21:57 <Chris82> 2>..\src\console_cmds.cpp(1956) : error C2248: 'Vehicle::next' : cannot access private member declared in class 'Vehicle' 15:21:57 <Chris82> 2> d:\openttd\openttd-dev\src\vehicle.h(232) : see declaration of 'Vehicle::next' 15:21:57 <Chris82> 2> d:\openttd\openttd-dev\src\vehicle.h(227) : see declaration of 'Vehicle' 15:22:19 <Chris82> did something change that affects this line? 15:22:30 <Noldo> thingwath: is there a way to reproduce it easily? 15:22:48 <thingwath> Noldo: sure, just buy some tender loco... at least in csdset 15:23:24 <SmatZ> Chris82: use v->Next() 15:23:42 <SmatZ> Noldo: yes 15:23:43 <Chris82> thx 15:23:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:19 <Chris82> hmm I have included vehicle.h in console_cmds.cpp and vehicle.h has a line "virtual bool IsInDepot() const...." but it still says IsInDepot is an undeclared identifier? why? 15:29:31 <Chris82> ahhhh () -.- lol 15:30:00 <Chris82> hmmm shouldn't this work IsInDepot(v) ? 15:30:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB40.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:31:27 <SmatZ> u = new (u) Train(); 15:31:35 <SmatZ> this may be the problem 15:31:40 <Noldo> how? 15:31:49 <SmatZ> if operator_new updates u->first 15:32:50 <Noldo> sure it does, it's the point where the train is contructed 15:33:01 <Smoovious> <Chris82> the mail subsidies will also be updated in the next ChrisIN because they have a "bug" <--- I haven't done anything with that patch, waiting for newindustries to be done, since I suspect it'll change things... just upping the population check should be ok in the meantime 15:33:05 <Noldo> there is a vehicle before that but it isn't a train 15:33:55 <Chris82> ok Smoovious :) 15:35:02 <SmatZ> thingwath: 15:35:23 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/218 does this solve your problem? 15:36:39 <Smoovious> hopefully I'll have time to do a full rewrite of the subsidies patch soon... fortunately, the other guy that made the subsidies-distance patch gave me one less thing to do :) 15:37:09 <Smoovious> tho I was thinking of making it grow as the years went by and faster vehicles came out 15:37:38 <svip> Hm. 15:37:53 <svip> How do I find out which Cargo I am using based on its CargoID? 15:39:02 <Smoovious> depending on where you're looking, the types should be enum'd... look around for an enum with CT_MAIL in the list to find it 15:39:41 <Smoovious> dunno if it is going to stay that way tho with newindustries 15:39:54 <svip> :o 15:39:57 <svip> Yeah. 15:40:10 <svip> My patch probably will need some rewrite when newindustries is imported. 15:40:27 <svip> But are there functions to get it? 15:40:34 <Smoovious> yeah... :) that's why I haven't touched the other patch in a while 15:40:40 <svip> In fact. 15:41:02 <svip> I just need to compare the cargo type accepted by industries, compared to what I am searching for. 15:41:12 <Smoovious> hmm 15:41:33 <Smoovious> sorry, won't be much help... that's beyond what I've dealt with so far 15:47:02 <glx> <Chris82> hmmm shouldn't this work IsInDepot(v) ? <-- v->IsInDepot() 15:47:10 <thingwath> SmatZ: yes, i think 15:50:11 <Chris82> glx: Yep, I used that too now and it compiled fine, I assume it will work in the game also but I need to fix a few other things before I get an .exe 15:52:30 *** Chris82 [~Chris82@p579E1C08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 16:02:09 <Noldo> is there a SetFirst(...) function for trains? 16:06:04 <SmatZ> Noldo: no, use the SetNext() 16:06:05 <Noldo> and the documentation of Vehicle::HasFront is not correct 16:06:25 <Noldo> the how is it set? 16:07:29 <SmatZ> operator_new sets v->first = v , v->SetNext(u) sets u->first = v->first 16:07:52 <Noldo> ok 16:10:21 <SmatZ> hmm FlySpray seems to have some problem 16:10:21 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:30 <SmatZ> http://bugs.openttd.org/user/178 16:10:34 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 16:10:36 <SmatZ> this link doesn't work... 16:10:45 <SmatZ> Notice: Undefined index: is_admin in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/admin.php on line 23 16:11:29 <glx> no error for me but it is empty 16:14:17 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:18:26 <Noldo> are you admin? 16:18:32 *** MarkSlap [~shit@h16n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:45 <glx> no but I have all other attributes 16:22:15 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: that url isn't suppose to work anyway 16:22:47 <TrueBrain> but it is one of those things from FS, that isn't 100% how it should be 16:27:50 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: friet friet friet friet friet! :9] 16:32:38 <Noldo> I wonder if articulated road vehicles are broken too 16:38:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> "fixing one bug introduces two new ones" 16:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> now extrapolate that on a bug-fixing spree :p 16:41:59 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 16:42:52 <DaleStan> That's standard operating procedure: There is always one more bug. 16:43:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, that is less exponential :p 16:45:44 <Noldo> exponential what way? 16:46:44 <Noldo> it's only exponential if the rate of bug fixing is at least lineary related to the amount of bugs 16:47:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB40.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:54 <Noldo> but if the rate of bug fixing is constant the growth of number of open bugs is only linear 16:50:42 <mcbane> well today they were down to 130 but then came the bug/patch submit spree and it went up quite fast again. 16:52:55 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@86.155.249.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]] 16:53:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> Noldo: and the possibility of being exponential is not exponential enough for you? 16:54:29 <Noldo> no 17:01:11 *** chu [~chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:32 *** chu is now known as Guest2433 17:02:14 *** Guest2433 is now known as ChrisH 17:10:11 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-253-138.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:11:27 <ChrisH> hi. is it possible to change attributes of a vehicle in a newgr-set? 17:12:13 <ChrisH> i installed the generic tram set, but the trams are very unreliable 17:12:17 <ChrisH> too much for my taste 17:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> get grfcodec and read the specs? 17:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> or switch off breakdowns 17:24:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:35:33 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:38:04 <ChrisH> ahh. grfcodec was the prog... i just didn't remember its name. thx 17:40:45 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:00 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:08:36 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493C557.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:48 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493D526.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:39 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0C9E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:14 <Noldo> is there openttd related git tutorial somewhere? 18:30:30 <svip> :O 18:30:35 <svip> If you know svn or hg. 18:30:40 <svip> You should be quite suited with git as well. 18:30:46 <mcbane> hmm i constanly get all cargo from wood and my rating is constantly shrinking.. 18:31:03 <svip> Well, mcbane. 18:31:07 <svip> Then go kick their arses. 18:31:38 <mcbane> normally it should stay even or maye grow.. 18:33:18 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 18:33:30 <mcbane> hmm 18:41:57 <mcbane> also still the feat./bug happening that like all mines of coal has one value and are not random. also there is no raising production if ya get a high rate. 18:45:47 <mcbane> ? 18:46:02 <mcbane> worth bugreport? 18:46:54 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Nukes galore!] 18:57:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-58-232.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 19:02:13 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-58-232.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:19 <peter1138> svip: hmm, git/hg are not really like svn at all 19:06:28 <peter1138> well except they're all version control 19:06:41 <svip> True, but I am using hg, and it is quite similar in commands to svn. 19:07:03 * peter1138 is trying to get to grips with hg with ottd 19:41:25 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60E81.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:49:25 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 19:53:29 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A57AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:17 <skidd13> what's the current topic about? 19:56:21 <svip> The fundraisering. 19:56:24 <svip> Check the openttd.org site. 19:56:26 <svip> Front page. 19:56:31 <Prof_Frink> The malware they put in the nightly downloads paid off. 19:57:50 <skidd13> svip: Ah thanks 20:09:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11033 /trunk/src/articulated_vehicles.cpp: -Fix [FS#1184] (r11011): building articulated vehicles failed. 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23:33:47 *** stamgast [~stamgast@s5591f73a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 23:33:53 <svip> :| 23:34:03 <svip> My goodness some people have no patience! 23:35:48 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-253-138.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:36:17 *** stamgast [~stamgast@s5591f73a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:36:26 <stamgast> lol ging iets verkeerd 23:36:47 <Rubidium> what did you say? 23:36:55 <svip> Something in Dutch. 23:37:06 <stamgast> pardon me i said somthing went wrong it loged me out lol 23:37:36 <stamgast> i did not wanted to sound rude 23:38:04 <stamgast> is there a posibility that i can ask some questions without bugging you all ? 23:38:05 <svip> stamgast: ma ei rÀÀgi eesti keelt. 23:38:15 <stamgast> lol 23:38:33 <Rubidium> you already did... 23:38:41 <stamgast> lol 23:39:00 <Rubidium> asking the real "thing" usually better than asking whether you can ask something 23:39:09 <svip> Don't ask to ask, ask. 23:39:19 <svip> Do or do not, there is no try. 23:39:23 <stamgast> yeah i now but i dont want to bug you guys with questions you probely have all the time 23:39:26 <svip> Stop trying to hit me and hit me. 23:39:36 <stamgast> ok here it comes :) 23:39:36 * Wezz6400 hits svip with a broomstick 23:39:49 <svip> You have a broomstick? 23:39:59 <svip> I knew it. 23:40:00 <svip> You didn't. 23:40:08 <Wezz6400> I wouldn't slap you with it if I didn't now wouldn't I? 23:40:21 <svip> You didn't slap me with it. 23:40:22 <Rubidium> @kick svip you wanted to get hit 23:40:22 *** svip was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [you wanted to get hit] 23:40:27 <stamgast> my question is " i got some GRF i want to change some collors in. how can i do this and is there a tool for it ? 23:40:27 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:40:29 <svip> Shesh. 23:40:33 <Rubidium> ;) 23:40:34 * Wezz6400 aait Rubidium 23:40:35 <svip> There is a lot of kicking in this channel. 23:40:41 <Wezz6400> err 23:40:48 <Wezz6400> how would I translate that with the same meaning :X 23:40:57 <svip> You don't? 23:41:02 <Rubidium> kicking is subset of hitting ;) 23:41:43 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 23:41:43 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:44 <Wezz6400> what point is there in having ops if their not bofh's 23:42:01 <svip> That's a stupid question. 23:42:02 <stamgast> put your energy in awnsering my questions beating eatch other is usles violence :) buy GTA instead :P 23:42:20 <svip> I already own all copies of GTA. 23:42:22 <Wezz6400> svip it was rhetoric 23:42:25 <stamgast> haha me to :) 23:42:26 <Rubidium> decode with grfcodec, change with <whatever program understands paletted pcxs> and encode again with grfcodec. For more information take a look at http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs (especially the tutorial part) 23:42:34 <svip> *all* copies, stamgast? 23:42:45 <stamgast> thank you 23:42:47 <Wezz6400> I own a copy of most, but not all 23:43:04 <stamgast> yes i got Gta 1 till the last one and waiting for the new one to come out 23:43:08 <Wezz6400> I don't have the expansion packs for gta1 23:43:17 <svip> Aw. :[ 23:43:21 <svip> They were good. 23:43:38 <Wezz6400> I played the london one a bit, but never really got into it 23:43:44 <Wezz6400> driving on the left got the better of me 23:43:51 <svip> Haha. 23:43:55 <stamgast> i love vice city becouse of the 80's music thats my favorit 23:43:57 <svip> Those crazy Brits. 23:44:09 <svip> Ironic isn't it, stamgast, cause that is my least favourite. 23:44:18 <Wezz6400> I love that one too 23:44:22 <stamgast> haha prob becouase i am old i like it :) 23:44:29 <svip> Yeah everyone does apparently. 23:44:33 <svip> I love GTA2 the most. 23:44:54 <Wezz6400> I love 80's stuff as it is, it's just a tad bit better than gta3 (but not by much) and well, san andreas was a big disappointment really 23:45:20 <stamgast> i think san andereas was also good exept the part that you need FOOd aal the time 23:45:32 <Wezz6400> I don't really like it 23:45:38 <stamgast> i like crashing planes and love the jetpack 23:45:49 <stamgast> but hated the music 23:46:02 <svip> :| 23:46:03 <Wezz6400> I'm not a rap fan for starters, but other than that the story really isn't as good and there were some boring missions too 23:46:13 <svip> Okay... 23:46:15 <stamgast> yeah i agree 23:46:15 <svip> Enough GTA? 23:46:20 <svip> You can't build train networks in TA. 23:46:20 <Wezz6400> technically it's much better, but gameplaywise I prefer vice city 23:46:21 <svip> GTA* 23:46:24 <svip> So what's its use? 23:46:26 <svip> Huh? 23:46:54 <stamgast> anywayz thanks for awnsering my question i will have a look in to it 23:47:44 <stamgast> May the Trains be with ya all. " Bild long and prospper " :P 23:47:51 <svip> Build* 23:47:55 <svip> prosper* 23:47:57 <stamgast> yeah saw it 23:48:24 <stamgast> i am 30 i misstype a lot :P 23:48:50 <svip> And Dutch. 23:48:58 <svip> I am 20. 23:49:03 <svip> So I got you beat. 23:49:08 <stamgast> haha but i only am back in holland sinds one year m8 23:49:18 <Wezz6400> Being Dutch doesn't mean you can't write proper English. 23:49:19 <svip> :| 23:49:25 <svip> True, Wezz6400. 23:49:34 <svip> I know a lot of Dutchies who write perfect English. 23:49:38 <svip> Well, almost perfect. 23:49:44 <svip> When I approach them they start talking Dutch. 23:49:44 <Wezz6400> As most other Dutch people on this channel prove on a daily basis. 23:49:45 <svip> Bastards. 23:49:46 <Wezz6400> :P 23:49:55 <Wezz6400> Oh echt waar? 23:50:02 <stamgast> i lived in ireland for 2 years 2 years germany 1 year england 1 year manhatan, and one year in ontario :) 23:50:15 <Rubidium> where's Sacro when you need him... 23:50:20 <svip> Sorry, Wezz6400: ma ei rÀÀgi eesti keelt. 23:50:26 <Wezz6400> lol 23:50:33 <stamgast> nederlands :) kan ik ook 23:50:41 <Sacro> Rubidium: that's what the government have been puzzling for years 23:51:02 <svip> O_O Hm, stamgast. 23:51:05 <svip> You've been around. 23:51:12 <svip> I've only lived here in Copenhagen. 23:51:34 <stamgast> it should be a world language 23:51:40 <svip> Danish? 23:51:42 <svip> Yes, I agree. 23:51:57 <stamgast> yeah you get that when your working for APPLE as a system manager :) 23:52:01 <stamgast> dutch 23:52:21 <Wezz6400> nah 23:52:26 <svip> Isn't Apple spelt with only the a as a capital letter? 23:52:43 <Rubidium> svip: not always 23:52:46 <Wezz6400> We can't even use it properly ourselves, let alone 6 billion foreigners. 23:52:55 <stamgast> depends on the person who write's it 23:53:00 <svip> Wezz6400 is right, we should start speaking Esperanto. 23:53:16 <stamgast> no whe should speak binary code 23:53:22 <Wezz6400> stamgast too many dumbasses using hun instead of zij or hen 23:53:29 <stamgast> yeah i know 23:53:51 <Wezz6400> I'm not even talking about spelling (though some stuff is just annoying) 23:54:31 <stamgast> i know my english writing is always bin bad. but stil i can manage and a spelling program works fine at work 23:55:12 <stamgast> at least i can work on my dutch now i got 1 year holiday 23:55:38 <stamgast> that sentence sounds wrong lol 23:57:11 <stamgast> anywayz nice talking to you guys, i'm off going to check the info out. talk to ya all . 23:57:14 <stamgast> laterzzzz. 23:57:36 *** stamgast [~stamgast@s5591f73a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:59:34 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493D526.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit []