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#openttd 09:34:28 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:34:31 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:36:40 <peter__> hi 10:29:30 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-247-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:02 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:34:02 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:05 *** s3mt3x [~dfddf@p54915F0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:09 <s3mt3x> moin 10:41:36 *** s3mt3x is now known as |s3mt3x| 10:47:18 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-213-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:44 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:24 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:08 <dih> hello 11:00:39 <dih> looked like bigger planes dont slow down when circling over small airfields 11:01:59 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 11:09:02 *** |s3mt3x| [~dfddf@p54915F0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 11:10:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C805.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:13:06 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:13:11 <dih> does the HQ have any influence on any rating (player, station, local authority)? 11:33:43 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:33:43 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:09 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-248-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:37:52 <jp> !help 11:37:57 <dih> ? 11:38:06 <jp> sorry, wrong window :) 11:41:28 <Rubidium> dih: could have, but thats an indirect effect 11:49:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:53:16 <dih> indirect in which way 11:53:42 <dih> Rubidium: what affect 'could' it have, and how? 11:54:18 <Rubidium> more passengers coming to a station probably causing more waiting passengers causing a lower rating 11:54:48 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:17 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 11:55:47 <dih> so it could not affect any other cargo and any other rating? 11:56:38 <Rubidium> indirectly it can (more passenger trains -> more congestion -> more waiting cargo at other stations) 11:57:40 <dih> right - ok 11:58:32 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-248-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Enjoy your meal. 14:08:55 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 14:09:07 <Roujin> i see ^^ 14:09:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A79CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:04 <Roujin> anyone besides me been given a strange red message when autosave happens in the latest revisions? 14:10:30 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:10:48 <Roujin> "Saving still in progress, please wait until it is finished" 14:11:12 <LA[lord]> does it happen only every month start? 14:11:14 <Roujin> something wrong on my pc or is it a bug? 14:11:30 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 14:11:31 <Roujin> yep every month on the autosave.. 14:12:05 <dih> i dont use autosave, would not know :-D 14:12:06 <dih> @OpenTTD youngest 14:12:12 <DorpsGek> dih: latest: r11781 14:12:20 <dih> @OpenTTD thelog 14:12:20 <DorpsGek> dih: r11781 log: -Codechange: variable scope and initialization 14:12:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:12:40 <Roujin> appeared somewhen inbetween the latest 10 revisions 14:12:48 <Roujin> for me that is 14:12:52 <LA[lord]> but if you change the autosave e.g every week, does it happen then too? 14:12:52 <dih> @OpenTTD commit 11781 14:12:55 <DorpsGek> dih: Commit by peter1138 :: r11781 trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp (2008-01-07 22:38:30 UTC) 14:12:56 <DorpsGek> dih: -Codechange: variable scope and initialization 14:13:07 <LA[lord]> for every week or just every month start 14:13:15 <LA[lord]> I might have an idea... 14:13:34 <Roujin> if no one else encounters that its maybe some setting I acidentally broke or something 14:14:00 <Roujin> lord: every week?? there's not such an autosave setting :P 14:14:18 <dih> i dont even think there is a weekly loop 14:14:32 <LA[lord]> some weeks/months devs forced autosave for tracking an ugly bug 14:14:43 <Belugas> yup 14:14:48 <LA[lord]> and this happens monthly 14:14:59 <Belugas> newhouse count been wrong 14:15:01 <LA[lord]> even if you have autosave turned off 14:15:40 <Roujin> eh.. so why does it display an error message for me? because i have autosave on anyways and it tries to autosave two times simultaniously? 14:15:54 <LA[lord]> and maybe it tries to save twice, one for forced autosave and one for normal one 14:15:59 <LA[lord]> at the same time... 14:16:09 <Roujin> oh in fact 14:16:21 <Roujin> turning off autosave lets the error not appear anymore 14:17:23 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-213-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:45 <Roujin> the forced autosave should disable the normal one then or something similar i think ;) 14:18:17 <glx> Roujin: disable autosave for now :) 14:19:52 <Roujin> done ;) just wanted to inform you guys :P 14:20:06 <glx> we know it ;) 14:20:48 <LA[lord]> but have you caught the evil bug? 14:21:02 <Roujin> but i'm wondering why such a debug method is added to trunk... 14:21:19 <dih> if they had - forced autosave would not be in the code anymore 14:21:28 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-179-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:21:43 *** Digitalfox__ [~chatzilla@bl7-179-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:22:13 <Roujin> only reason for that would be that users could help spotting it.. no? 14:22:24 <glx> because we don't have a way to reproduce, we only know what happens, but not how and when, so we check town pop monthly and asserts if internal and recalculated are different else we save it 14:22:30 *** Digitalfox__ [~chatzilla@bl7-179-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 14:23:01 <glx> that way we have savegame and command logs to "replay" it 14:23:02 <dih> what happens then? 14:24:18 <glx> the problem is for some yet unknown reasons, the town population is incorrect (usually less than real pop) 14:24:44 <glx> and we you delete houses you can get "negative" population 14:25:01 <Roujin> uh, speaking of towns and population... could you give me a hint on how passenger and mail generation is handled? 14:25:39 <Roujin> i guess it's the properties "population" and "mail_generation" and if they're > 0, it generates pax/mail.. right? 14:25:50 <Roujin> *properties of HouseSpec 14:26:35 *** _Bastiaan_ [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.138] has joined #openttd 14:29:59 * glx needs to reboot, he gets random windows crashes 14:30:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 14:30:28 <Belugas> Roujin, check on TileLoop_Town, town_cmd.cpp:396 14:33:28 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:35 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:34:51 <Roujin> thanks, one question about that: 14:34:52 <Roujin> if (HasBit(hs->callback_mask, CBM_HOUSE_PRODUCE_CARGO)) { 14:35:12 <Roujin> does this line differentiate between standard and newGrf houses? 14:35:22 <Belugas> not exactly 14:35:30 <glx> the check is done before that 14:35:59 <Belugas> a grf house can have the flag set, but it's not mandatory 14:36:12 <Roujin> and standard ones? 14:36:25 <glx> they don't have any callbacks 14:36:25 <Belugas> standard ones never have th flag set, of course 14:36:38 <Roujin> ok, that's what i kind of guessed ;) 14:37:23 <hylje> having city-like industries came to me the other day 14:37:31 <Belugas> callbacks are code supplied by grf (roughly). so standard houses not being bound by grf, they have no callbacks 14:37:44 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-103-227-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [] 14:37:45 <Belugas> hylje, as you can see, it's already there. 14:37:54 <Belugas> you just have to code them in grf ;) 14:38:00 <hylje> that seems more like industry-like cities 14:38:18 <hylje> ill elaborate 14:38:29 <Belugas> whatever you want :) it all comes down to producing stuff 14:38:51 <hylje> industries would be very small at first (or randomly sized, much like towns) 14:38:51 <Belugas> and accept, of course 14:39:09 <Roujin> but one thing seems strange to me.. the else part that handles all standard houses does the same thing for every house, is that right? 14:39:12 <hylje> good service makes those small industries grow in size and production much like cities do 14:39:45 <Roujin> there's no differentiation between big and small ones, just 1/8 chance every tile_loop? (if i got it right) 14:40:12 <Roujin> oh, now i see it 14:40:16 <Belugas> in this context, we are talking abot a tile-house, Roujin... 14:40:19 <Belugas> not a complete house 14:42:31 <hylje> Belugas: does newgrf support that kind of sprawling industries? 14:43:15 <glx> hylje: that means changing layout after construction 14:43:24 <hylje> i read that as a no :) 14:43:48 <Roujin> okay, one more noobish question (sorry): GB(r, 0, 8) <-- can't find this function or macro 14:44:13 <glx> it's a function, in core/bitmath_func.fpp 14:44:23 <Roujin> thanks, will look it up 14:44:40 <glx> returns bits 0-7 from r 14:44:44 <Belugas> hylje, indeed, it's a no. 14:45:38 <Noldo> how about houses that produce cargo? 14:45:40 <Belugas> as to if it can be made, i guess so, but ... i doubt it is really worth it 14:45:47 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-32-105.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 14:45:49 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A79CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 14:45:57 <Roujin> first is input, second offset, third length? 14:46:00 <Belugas> Noldo, it aleardy can, just loo at the sources 14:46:00 <hylje> it'd be a different kind of city 14:46:16 <hylje> instead of passengers producing e.g. coal 14:46:19 <glx> Roujin: read the comment in header file ;) 14:46:38 * hylje adds that to his to-do-list, under heading "someday" 14:46:43 <Noldo> :) 14:48:27 <Roujin> i'm impressed by the bitmagic in ottd every time xD 14:54:56 <Roujin> can a newgrf house have 256 production callbacks? O_O 14:55:25 <Roujin> that's enourmous xD 14:55:58 <Roujin> well thanks for all your kind help, I've learned a lot again :) 14:56:16 <glx> <Roujin> can a newgrf house have 256 production callbacks? O_O <-- why not :) 14:56:57 <peter__> hmmz 14:59:39 <hylje> that's just gonna run out any minute 15:04:31 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-059-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04:54 *** murray__ is now known as murray 15:07:15 *** LA[lord]_ [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:10:08 <Roujin> *b++ = cargo; 15:11:14 <Roujin> i hope this gives address b the value cargo first and then increase the pointer by one... 15:11:22 <Roujin> if not i screwed something up now ^^ 15:11:46 <pv2b> Roujin: it does. 15:12:10 <pv2b> if by "increase the pointer by one" you mean "increase the pointer by one tiems the size of the data type pointed to by said pointer 15:12:14 <pv2b> " 15:12:43 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:58 *** LA[lord]_ is now known as LA[lord] 15:14:14 <Roujin> yes, that was an abbreviation :P 15:14:39 <ludde> pv2b: the pointer is incremented by one, the underlying cpu register is incremented by sizeof(*pointer) 15:15:31 <pv2b> ludde: uint32 *p = (uint32 *) 0x100; printf("%p\n", p+1); gives an output of 0x104. 15:16:21 <pv2b> it all depends on the definition you have of "increments by one" :-) 15:18:36 <ludde> ++ increments by one 15:18:41 <ludde> += 1 increments by one 15:19:19 <ludde> in my opinion 15:19:23 <pv2b> by one "what" though? :-) 15:19:29 <ludde> exactly! 15:19:38 <ludde> :p 15:19:48 <ludde> by one element 15:20:00 <pv2b> mm. so "b" is incremented by one. 15:20:07 <pv2b> but not "the pointer" ;-) 15:20:14 <ludde> b is the pointer 15:20:21 <ludde> it points to an element 15:20:24 <pv2b> no, b is a variable containing the pointer :-) 15:20:55 <pv2b> it's all semantics anyway 15:22:14 <glx> 1 === sizeof(element) 15:22:30 <ludde> p in 'void *p' is a pointer, as much as i in 'int i' is an integer 15:26:37 <Roujin> okay, sorry for breaking off a discussion :P i have to go now, see you later :) 15:26:42 *** Roujin [Roujin@c003.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [] 15:27:43 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:43 <UnderBuilder> I'm melting 15:32:06 *** Lord [Roman@77-56-104-11.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 15:33:37 <Lord> hey glx, are you still familiar with the town name generation code? 15:33:37 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:57 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 15:34:02 <glx> a little (I wrote action F support) 15:34:34 <Lord> good, I could use some info for a project I'm doing. 15:34:56 <Lord> Am I right that name parts are more likely to be used the longer they are? 15:35:59 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:26 <glx> I don't understand :/ 15:37:14 <Lord> :-) I'm sorry, I'll try again. The longer the name parts, the more likely they are to found in a town name, right? 15:37:18 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:29 <Lord> to _be_ found 15:37:58 <frosch123> I doubt that, how do you come to such a conclusion? 15:38:08 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 15:38:53 <TrueBrain> GENERAL NOTICE: openttd.org will be unavailable for the next 15 minutes 15:38:57 <TrueBrain> (and all his related services) 15:40:13 *** TB [~truelight@145.118.72.134] has joined #openttd 15:40:43 <Lord> I might have to say that I'm referring to 0.1.4, because I need to know the original TTD behaviour 15:40:51 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:51 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:51 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:18 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-75-231.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:26 *** TB is now known as TrueBrain 15:42:18 <glx> Lord: you mean array size? 15:43:01 <Lord> the name part arrays are onedimensional, meaning that the are just in sequence. MakeEnglishCityName (like others) then more or less randomly jumps into this sequence and thakes the one parts it hit. 15:43:25 <glx> the part is chosen randomly 15:44:21 <Lord> well it looks like in openttd 0.1.4 not the actual part, but the array "position" (offset) is chose at random, which makes longer parts more likely to be chosen 15:44:59 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-103-227-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 15:45:02 <glx> paste the line 15:45:07 <Draakon> hello 15:45:26 <Draakon> can anyone explain how can i remove Placment Limitations in ECS Vectors? 15:45:39 <Lord> e.g.: AppendPart(&buf, GETNUM(4, NUM_ENGLISH_2), english_2); 15:45:49 <glx> Draakon: you can't unless you modify the grf 15:46:21 <Lord> (line 134 in namegen.c of openttd-0.1.4) 15:46:28 <glx> Lord: a lot of thing changed since this version ;) 15:46:35 <Draakon> glx: what should i edit there? 15:46:48 <Lord> I know... :-) 15:46:54 <glx> Draakon: callbacks 15:47:10 <Draakon> glx: what callback? 15:47:58 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 15:48:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 15:48:03 <glx> callback 2F I think 15:48:29 <Draakon> oeh 15:48:46 * Draakon doesn't know nothing about GRF Coding 15:48:59 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD is back online. Have a nice day! 15:49:02 *** TrueBrain [~truelight@145.118.72.134] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 15:49:28 <Draakon> it has been here for 1h 15:49:31 <Lord> anyhow, do you know where I can find the american town name parts (other than by hexediting the exe) which were available in original TTD? They seem to have gotten kicked out in OpenTTD 15:49:45 <Draakon> or more 15:50:26 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 15:51:47 <dih> Draakon: openttd is on a vps, and i think TB knows a little more about that vps than you :-) 15:52:42 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:57 <Lord> glx: do you know Jango's email address? 15:59:03 <glx> no 15:59:24 <Lord> he's not registred on the forums, is he? 16:00:02 <glx> dunno 16:00:32 <Lord> ok, thanks for your help anyways, cya 16:00:55 *** Lord [Roman@77-56-104-11.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 16:02:15 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-248-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:02:40 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-103-227-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: bye] 16:05:21 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-75-231.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: XD webcam arrived] 16:06:15 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 16:06:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C805.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11782 /trunk/src/oldloader.cpp: -Codechange: e->type was used before being properly initialized (it relied on previous runs) but there is no need to invalidate window data during game load as the windows in question cannot be open. 16:09:27 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41644.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:09:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:10:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 16:10:33 <dih> hello Bjarni 16:12:25 <LA[lord]> oh not again...:D 16:14:08 <dih> :-( 16:19:14 <LA[lord]> good bye.. I think I'll be back in few hours 16:19:48 * LA[lord] left 16:19:51 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 16:20:45 *** peterbrett [~peter@79-172.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 16:21:53 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4B20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:28 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-167-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:39 *** BDS-Klaus [~Miranda@p54AB339C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:32:45 <BDS-Klaus> hi all 16:33:02 <BDS-Klaus> i need help for config my linux server 16:33:14 <Noldo> I'm updating FS#1114, If you have comments about it now would be a good time to share them 16:34:00 <BDS-Klaus> i want to have max. 2 companies and per company max 2 players 16:34:32 <BDS-Klaus> what do i have to change in config or set 16:34:58 <glx> you can specify max_players (a player is a company) 16:35:19 <BDS-Klaus> k 16:37:03 <glx> but you can't limit the number of clients in one company, only the total client amount 16:38:29 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 16:39:14 *** Hannibal [~j.poledni@p54AB6DB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:17 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 16:40:05 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 16:41:10 <BDS-Klaus> kk 16:41:11 <BDS-Klaus> thx 16:41:15 <BDS-Klaus> for help 16:41:27 <BDS-Klaus> all ok... thanks for your help 16:43:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C805.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:22 *** peterbrett [~peter@79-172.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:30 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 16:48:33 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 16:50:49 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has joined #openttd 16:51:13 *** Hannibal [~j.poledni@p54AB6DB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:57:13 *** BDS-Klaus [~Miranda@p54AB339C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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17:58:56 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 17:59:08 *** jp473 [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-240-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:33 <glx> dih: well you probably know how this user can be ;) 17:59:57 <peter__> rehi 18:00:26 <dih> glx: sure do :-) 18:00:41 <dih> so you also know about this :-D 18:00:47 <dih> wow - word spreads fast 18:00:50 <Belugas> yup 18:00:51 <peter__> hmmwut? 18:01:15 <Belugas> peter__, talking about Sirkoz regarding http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1476 18:01:29 <peter__> ah 18:01:29 <dih> i read it, dont get either point :-D 18:02:02 <Belugas> Sirkoz likes to use big phrases that mean little, most of the time 18:02:17 <dih> well yes - i know that much :-) 18:02:52 <dih> but he is trying to point out something, is he not - i dont know exactly what he is pointing out 18:03:06 <Belugas> yes, in a way 18:03:12 <peter__> i think he's saying that he can do the operation with the patch off 18:03:15 <peter__> but not with the patch on 18:03:28 <peter__> and that is inverse to the perceived logic of the option 18:04:23 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:23 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-144-30.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:24 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-144-30.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:04:32 <peter__> however, the logic of that line does not do what he states 18:04:47 <peter__> or does it? 18:04:50 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-248-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:52 <peter__> hmm, true if they're too close i guess... 18:05:54 <peter__> no it's not 18:06:15 <peter__> oh i don't know :p 18:07:53 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:25 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-144-30.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:21 <Bjarni> oops I killed pv2b 18:09:27 <peter__> oh well 18:09:32 <Bjarni> looks like that PM was pretty harmful 18:09:32 <peter__> who's next? 18:09:36 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-146-180.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:10:27 <Bjarni> hmm 18:10:31 <Bjarni> how about dih? 18:10:52 <Belugas> what I read out of that line is that primary industries are not allowed when same_industry_close optin is set. 18:10:53 <Bjarni> he always acted suspicious anyway 18:11:21 <Belugas> when that patch is not set, it is the regyual scheme that goes on 18:11:23 <dih> thanks for that 18:11:30 <Bjarni> :P 18:11:33 <peter__> Belugas, not quite right 18:11:42 <Belugas> no... indeed... 18:11:45 <peter__> that line means if it's set, then a primary industry can be anywhere 18:11:51 <dih> Bjarni: i'll take that as a 'sign' of appreciation 18:12:12 <dih> or is it supposed to mean that peter__? 18:12:20 <peter__> so that line is not a problem at all. he's highlighted the wrong part. 18:12:29 <murray> quick question: do you get all of the production from a mine/similar even if you cover just one square? 18:12:33 <Belugas> peter__, can't be... return true 18:12:43 <Belugas> unless the code and th function name is misleading... 18:12:45 * Belugas checks 18:13:09 <peter__> Belugas, it is 18:13:17 <peter__> Belugas, see the error ones, they return false 18:13:41 <Belugas> hum... true... 18:13:59 <peter__> basically in that function, setting the patch option cannot make it not do what it would do without the option 18:14:11 <peter__> (careful of negatives there, heh) 18:14:36 *** pv2b_ [~pvz@c213-89-144-30.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:16:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11783 /trunk/src/engine.cpp: -Codechange: compare engine type with its type property, not by its index 18:17:49 *** peterbrett [~peter@143-191.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 18:17:53 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-146-180.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:56 *** _Bastiaan_ [~Bastiaan@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:21:50 *** MiHaMeK [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 18:22:49 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-211-73.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:23:33 <Belugas> hoo..... NOW i understand! 18:23:44 <peter__> hmm? 18:23:53 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:54 <peter__> the function or sirkoz? 18:24:22 <dih> LOL 18:25:26 <dih> Belugas: care to enlighten us? 18:26:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11784 /trunk/src/ (engine.cpp engine.h misc.cpp newgrf.cpp oldloader.cpp): -Codechange: set up initial engine data in one place 18:27:36 *** LA[lord] [~LAlord]@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:32:20 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:33:40 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-211-73.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:33:43 *** Roujin [~Manuel300@mnch-4d04e476.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:59 <Roujin> good evening 18:36:47 <Bjarni> hi 18:42:19 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-179-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:45:02 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@193.10.185.3] has joined #openttd 18:47:23 <LA[lord]> you are boring guys... no words in 10 minutes already... 18:47:37 * LA[lord] goes off to do some more interesting stuff 18:47:44 <Belugas> the function indeed :D 18:47:51 <dih> lol 18:48:01 <dih> and? what did you find out Belugas? 18:48:07 <Belugas> Sirkoz just jumped on a conclusion 18:48:12 <Belugas> and not even cared to try 18:50:14 <dih> heh 18:50:22 <dih> yes - i know that of some people 18:50:57 *** peterbrett [~peter@143-191.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:00 <Belugas> and i've got rerouted to a search that was not the subject of the initial problem.... 18:52:05 <Belugas> that is typical of me too ;) 18:52:33 <peter__> heh 18:53:12 <pavel1269> peter__: what about our game? :P 18:53:30 <dih> peter and pavel play a game? 18:53:39 * dih just does not want to know about this 18:53:40 <pavel1269> why? 18:54:25 <dih> j/k 18:56:57 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:57:14 <Belugas> and in fact, the same_industry_close patch really means, as peter__ mentionned, that primary industries can be built close to each other 18:57:27 <Belugas> the type been the GENERAL type of industries 18:58:00 <Belugas> not the spcific type of indu, like... a coal mine, or a water tower 19:00:05 <dih> but could it be that in the game it's acting differently 19:00:22 <dih> i could not imagin him making a statement based on code he read 19:00:32 <dih> but on something he noticed in a game 19:01:31 <peter__> yes... which means he picked the wrong bit of code to bully, heh 19:01:40 <dih> :-P 19:01:49 <glx> as often ;) 19:02:04 <dih> but none the less found something that is not supposed to act like that? 19:05:33 <Belugas> i more than anythng ele suspect indspec->conflicting[0] 19:05:48 <Belugas> water tower is conflicting with water supply 19:06:24 <Belugas> but with the same_industry_close, the same conflict is not tested while putting water supply o map 19:07:20 <Belugas> therefor... 19:07:43 <Belugas> the behaviour is fine, but the wording and name of var is far from been right :S 19:08:50 <dih> did not get that sorry 19:11:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:14:50 <Belugas> next test is for conflicts. water tower conflicts with water supply (se build_industry.h). it is refused 19:15:34 <Belugas> so the same_industry_close (because of the CT_INVALID) does not affect secondary industries (the water tower) 19:15:52 <Belugas> therefore, it does not get out of the function on first test. 19:15:55 <Belugas> see? simple... 19:16:40 <Belugas> the name of the patch option is wrong. It should be primary_industry_close, or something like that 19:16:51 <Belugas> as well as the labeling on the settings option 19:17:11 <Belugas> am i making more sens? 19:17:40 <dih> yes 19:17:44 <dih> thank you Belugas :-) 19:19:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:22:41 *** Tino|Home is now known as TinoM 19:23:45 <Belugas> so... now... time to do some house cleaning... 19:30:25 * Belugas mogwaies 19:38:30 <Wolf01> 'night 19:38:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host43-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:40:53 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:42:32 <peter__> Belugas, no 19:42:39 <peter__> Belugas, the patch option is used further on too 19:42:52 <peter__> so it's not just for primary industries 19:43:10 <dih> ? 19:43:17 <dih> you wanna explain? :-) 19:44:21 <peter__> no :) 19:44:58 <dih> lol 19:45:04 <dih> c'mon, dont be a spoil sport 19:48:26 <Sacro> rawr 19:48:34 <Belugas> well... 19:48:37 <Belugas> yeah... 19:48:39 <Belugas> but... 19:48:43 <Belugas> arghh... 19:48:46 <Belugas> COMMENTS!!!! 19:50:51 * dih is clueless 19:51:02 <dih> don't hesitate to enlighten me :-) 19:51:49 <LA[lord]> hmm... I won't hesitate to say good night instead..so: Good night 19:52:18 *** LA[lord] [~LAlord]@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:58:58 * Bjarni logs dih's statement 19:59:51 <Bjarni> well... at least you aren't alex_fili 20:00:08 <Rubidium> Bjarni: are you sure of that? 20:00:41 <Bjarni> he managed to produce a diff 20:00:46 <Bjarni> and it's not insane 20:01:28 <Bjarni> Alex didn't even understand what header files for libraries are used for and presumed that just ignoring them when installing a lib didn't matter 20:03:32 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 20:05:00 <Bjarni> http://qdb.us/56571 <-- found him 20:05:27 <dih> what are you logging Bjarni? 20:05:32 <dih> which statement do you mean 20:05:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:05:38 <dih> and are you taking it out of context :-P 20:05:39 <Bjarni> [20:50:51] * dih is clueless 20:05:39 <Bjarni> [20:51:02] <dih> don't hesitate to enlighten me :-) 20:05:50 <dih> yes - you answered my last question :-D 20:06:00 <Bjarni> context? 20:06:10 <Bjarni> you really are demanding 20:06:14 <dih> lol 20:06:54 <Bjarni> and now you laugh at yourself... you really are clueless 20:07:17 <Bjarni> but at least you are trustworthy 20:07:19 <dih> put it into connection with SirkoZ, peter__ and Belugas (last conversation) 20:07:26 <dih> thanks for that 20:07:37 <dih> trustworty in the sense that i will always laugh at myself i take it :-P 20:07:39 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm here, worship me 20:07:49 <Bjarni> hey that's my line 20:07:58 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 20:08:03 <Bjarni> you are following a false developer 20:08:08 <dih> lol 20:08:08 <ludde> i'm here, worship me 20:08:13 <dih> rofl 20:08:21 <Bjarni> :D 20:08:35 <Bjarni> can't argue with that 20:09:09 <Belugas> we all do, Lord Ludde ;) 20:09:20 <dih> i'll not argue with the "i'm here" part :-) 20:09:43 <Rubidium> Bjarni: I think we should call him His Excellency Lord ludde 20:09:58 <Bjarni> not a bad idea 20:10:05 <Belugas> trye, Lord is reserved to Darkvater ^_^ 20:10:15 <dih> create an alias in DorpsGek 20:10:17 <dih> @lude 20:10:28 <Bjarni> @lude??? 20:10:39 <dih> to return the full His Excellency Lord ludde 20:10:56 <Gonozal_VIII> @lube 20:11:14 <dih> that's just nasty 20:11:15 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: are you making fun of the lord??? 20:11:29 <Gonozal_VIII> no, i'm making fun of dih 20:11:33 <Bjarni> you will end up in Robot Hell for that 20:12:11 <dih> kick him :-P 20:12:17 <Gonozal_VIII> where i have to follow black lines and avoid boxes until eternity? 20:12:43 <Bjarni> hey I'm not evil enough to send anybody to Robot Hell 20:12:44 <dih> until eternity <--- makes a bunch of sense 20:12:53 <dih> may i may i? 20:12:57 <Bjarni> except AlexFili because that wouldn't be evil to do 20:13:23 <Bjarni> dih: yes... you can go to the bathroom if you have to 20:13:33 <Gonozal_VIII> hf kicking me :P i have to reboot anyways 20:13:34 <dih> LOL 20:13:40 <Bjarni> if you are late then YOU clean up 20:13:40 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B523A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:14:05 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 20:16:05 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 20:17:22 <Gonozal_VIII> 2 more windows security updates installed... i feel so protected now... 20:17:31 <Bjarni> ... 20:17:44 <Bjarni> 5 new backdoors opened 20:18:01 <Bjarni> specially the one you got from www.windowsupdate.com is a nasty one 20:19:02 <Bjarni> ãããŒãããã <--- hehe... couldn't really remember this one... oh the irony (means amnesia) 20:19:28 <Gonozal_VIII> japanese again? 20:19:33 <Bjarni> yeah 20:19:43 <ludde> what does ãããŒãããã mean? 20:19:52 <Bjarni> ludde: amnesia 20:19:57 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 20:20:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7C82A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:06 <ludde> just amnesia? nothing else? 20:20:09 <ludde> it's so long 20:20:44 <Bjarni> å¥å¿ç <-- you can also write it like this but then you have to be Japanese to read it 20:21:22 <Bjarni> the "long" word is phonic letters explaining how to pronounce it 20:21:23 <Gonozal_VIII> DonaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitÀn is also very long but only means "guy with ship" ^^ 20:21:56 <Bjarni> it's pronounced "Kenboushou"... not that long to say 20:22:44 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: it means a bit more than that... it tells that it's a steamer on Donau... and it's not a guy but the captain 20:22:52 <ludde> Gonozal_VIII: it means a bit more than that :p 20:23:19 <Bjarni> and even more than that 20:23:35 <Bjarni> ludde: nice to see that you know German too :) 20:23:44 <ludde> :) 20:23:56 <Bjarni> better than Gonozal_VIII it seems 20:24:01 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 20:24:03 <Bjarni> I mean... he misread it xD 20:24:25 <Gonozal_VIII> nice thing with german is that you can extend it endlessly and it's still a valid word 20:24:55 <Bjarni> try making a valid word with at least 100 chars then 20:25:07 <Gonozal_VIII> DonaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitÀnstellvertretersmÃŒtzenfederkielanspitzgerÀtemanufakturinhaber 20:25:08 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 20:25:32 <Bjarni> ... 20:25:41 <Bjarni> make it readable too :P 20:26:03 <Gonozal_VIII> readable? that's how you write it^^ 20:26:59 <Gonozal_VIII> you have to start at the back 20:27:09 <Bjarni> nasty 20:27:09 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:49 <Gonozal_VIII> the words get more important the closer you get to the end 20:28:41 <Gonozal_VIII> probably because most people have already forgotten the first part when they reach the end 20:29:05 <Bjarni> basically it's a clothing shop owner who sells to captains of steams ferries on Donau only.... I don't think that's a business I want to invest in :P 20:29:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe not clothing shop, it's worse ;-) 20:30:14 <dih> hehehe 20:30:18 <dih> funny one 20:32:31 <Gonozal_VIII> owner of a factory that produces tools to sharpen the keel of feathers to put on the hat of the first officer of a steam ship on the danube 20:32:36 <Gonozal_VIII> or something like that^^ 20:33:59 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 20:34:17 <Gonozal_VIII> and there are no rules to how many word you can attach there, you can create valid words of any length 20:34:19 <Bjarni> so... can you make a valid word of that length that actually makes sense to use? 20:35:11 <Bjarni> "Sporvognsskinneskidtskraber" <--- this is the official name of a tool in Danish 20:35:52 <Bjarni> I don't think you can get valid words longer than that 20:37:17 <Gonozal_VIII> valid words as long as you want... actually used words is "DonaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitÀn" the longest i know 20:38:50 <Noldo> Suikuturbiinimoottorilentokoneapumekaanikkoaliupseerioppilas 20:39:00 <Noldo> that's the longest one in Finnish 20:39:04 <hylje> Gonozal_VIII: that's a triple F 20:39:13 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that's a triple f 20:39:17 <Gonozal_VIII> we have those 20:39:21 <Gonozal_VIII> and triple s 20:39:39 <Bjarni> is that a à with an extra curve? 20:39:41 <Gonozal_VIII> and triple e.. 20:39:54 <Gonozal_VIII> à is not the same as ss 20:40:03 <Bjarni> it's not? 20:40:12 * Bjarni requests his school money back 20:40:16 <Gonozal_VIII> à is sz :-) 20:40:50 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:53 <Bjarni> is that an Austrian thing or ? 20:41:16 <Bjarni> I mean it could be dialect 20:41:40 <Gonozal_VIII> no... when you want to write à but don't have the right letters (like in crosswords where only a-z is valid) you use sz for à 20:41:56 <Bjarni> hmm 20:42:01 <Bjarni> interesting 20:42:11 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: you really need to fix your encoding 20:42:18 <Bjarni> so Spaà and Spass isn't the same 20:42:27 <Bjarni> glx: it decodes perfectly here 20:42:45 <glx> I see nice squares (but japanese was ok) 20:42:50 <Gonozal_VIII> you would pronounce the a longer in spaà 20:42:57 <Bjarni> glx: à 20:43:13 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@193.10.185.3] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 20:43:16 <glx> Bjarni: yeah I understood what was the squares ;) 20:43:30 <Bjarni> so you can see my encoding.... 20:43:35 <glx> yes 20:43:45 <Bjarni> and from my point of view Gonozal_VIII is using the same encoding for this char 20:43:48 <Bjarni> weird 20:43:51 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 20:44:20 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: you are doing a great job at convincing me to forget all the German I learned :P 20:44:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 20:44:36 <Bjarni> but I*m not falling for your trick 20:44:44 <glx> my client is set to utf8 only, maybe yours use both, Bjarni 20:44:46 <Bjarni> I can still understand you guys when you try to trick me 20:45:12 <Gonozal_VIII> trick you? 20:45:27 <Bjarni> yeah 20:45:42 <Gonozal_VIII> whenwhat? 20:45:54 <Bjarni> it wasn't long ago that a bunch of German speaking guys went to Denmark and tried to take over 20:46:03 <Bjarni> it worked for a few years though 20:46:30 <Gonozal_VIII> they didn't use à 20:46:45 <Bjarni> no... they used machine guns 20:46:46 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has joined #openttd 20:46:52 <Gonozal_VIII> ss 20:47:24 <Gonozal_VIII> machine guns are extremely powerful in civ 4 20:47:43 <Bjarni> actually the German soldiers in Denmark had this interesting problem. When speaking to a local they never understood German. When speaking with each other while a local could hear them then the local could understand German 20:48:28 <Bjarni> German soldiers were informed of this before entering Denmark 20:49:03 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-191-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:43 <Bjarni> btw there is one thing I'm wondering about. Germany took over Denmark and France. In both places a resistance movement turned up and worked until Germany lost (so kind of similar)... however in France all nazi stuff is banned and they even tried to ban an auction in USA selling German stuff from the war 20:51:03 <Bjarni> In Denmark that's not illegal and we even have a Nazi party.... and noone really cares 20:51:20 <Bjarni> they get like 70 votes during each election and then what? :) 20:51:39 <Gonozal_VIII> banning stuff usually makes it more interesting 20:51:53 <Bjarni> as long as they aren't violent or committing any other crimes they should be free to go 20:52:34 <Bjarni> and yes some people watch them to report every little incident to the police so they can't break the law undetected 20:53:56 <Bjarni> some Jewish politicians once said about them that it's better to have them in the open so we know that they only get 70 votes... then we know that it's only a few people... banning would make us lose the count 20:53:58 *** Stoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:14 *** Stoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has joined #openttd 20:54:45 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:12 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 20:55:22 <Gonozal_VIII> banning a party in a democracy is a bad idea anyways 20:55:54 <Bjarni> we can do that with our constitution if their method or goal is to hurt or kill other people 20:56:10 <pavel1269> gn 20:56:12 <Bjarni> so if they talk about killing all Jews or whatever then it's a whole different story 20:56:23 <Bjarni> needless to say, they don't ;) 20:56:23 <Gonozal_VIII> sure 20:56:29 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 20:57:15 <Bjarni> in fact the risk to Jews appears to be greater from the Muslims 20:58:19 <Bjarni> I mean they said on the news that Jews are now hiding the fact that they are Jews in public because organised attacks started o_O 20:58:30 <Bjarni> in our little peaceful country.... wicked 21:01:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-210-255.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01:48 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:02 <Bjarni> it's still ok to say something 21:03:24 <Belugas> warchnotf 21:11:07 <Belugas> can anyone try a google search for me? anyting.... just to see if it works the same as in here 21:12:39 <dih> ? 21:13:35 <dih> Your search - warchnotf - did not match any documents. 21:13:41 <dih> Did you mean: warchant 21:13:43 <dih> :-D 21:14:07 <Gonozal_VIII> Es wurden keine mit Ihrer Suchanfrage - warchnotf - ÃŒbereinstimmenden Dokumente gefunden. 21:14:10 <Belugas> so.. it worked correctly... 21:14:12 <Belugas> ok, tahks 21:14:17 <Belugas> it's on our side, once more 21:14:26 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 21:15:45 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html 21:16:42 <Bjarni> I think he is getting commercials only 21:17:07 <Bjarni> and stores selling warchnotf (whatever that might be) 21:17:19 <Gonozal_VIII> what who where? 21:17:43 <Bjarni> icecream icecleam guy Brazil 21:17:52 <Bjarni> *icecream guy 21:25:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm first in google for gonozalviii :-) 21:25:07 <Gonozal_VIII> and 2nd 21:25:42 <Gonozal_VIII> and soon the only hit for warchnotf 21:27:16 <dih> is it intentional that one can bridge 'owned' land? 21:28:30 <Gonozal_VIII> why not? you own the land, not the air above it^^ 21:29:10 <dih> and what if you own the land to buld a station there? 21:29:21 <dih> but cannot anymore because it's bridged 21:29:31 <Gonozal_VIII> bad luck then ;-) 21:29:46 <dih> besids, if you own land you would deff not have your neightbour bridge it :-) 21:29:47 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has joined #openttd 21:30:12 <Gonozal_VIII> allow stations under bridges 21:30:35 <peter__> yeah, where did my patch for that go, i wonder... 21:31:09 <dih> so you have a patch to allow bridging stations? 21:31:15 <peter__> ... 21:31:17 <dih> perhaps depots and small town buildings? 21:31:38 <dih> :-P 21:32:33 <peter__> hmm 21:32:39 <peter__> you can also buy land under a bridge... 21:34:39 <Gonozal_VIII> a special bridge that acts as a station :-) 21:34:56 <dih> yes - but that is something else peter__ 21:35:06 <dih> buying underneath the bridge, the bridge was there first 21:35:15 <peter__> yeah 21:35:16 <peter__> but 21:35:37 <Gonozal_VIII> butt! 21:35:59 <dih> you're a butt Gonozal? 21:36:12 <Gonozal_VIII> i have one 21:36:23 *** Stoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:23 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 21:36:30 <dih> a big fat ugly one 21:36:49 <Gonozal_VIII> those are most comfy to sit on 21:37:31 <dih> but not to be sat on with :-P 21:37:35 <dih> anyhow 21:37:37 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 21:37:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82B15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:44 <dih> peter__ was making a point and has not completed it 21:38:06 <Gonozal_VIII> there's such a thing as a halfpoint? 21:38:26 <Roujin> i'm off, cu 21:38:29 *** Roujin [~Manuel300@mnch-4d04e476.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 21:38:35 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:12 <dih> there was halftile :-P 21:39:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B811E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:39:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:41:17 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 21:41:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:08 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 21:42:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 21:44:29 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:59 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:49:53 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 21:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> <dih> so you have a patch to allow bridging stations? <- you certainly did not stick around here long enough to learn that peter__ practically has a patch for everything, just he tends to lock them away where noone can find them 21:53:01 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe one day he'll commit 50 big new features at once into trunk without a warning 21:53:37 <peter__> as "-Codechange: codestyle" 21:58:07 <ln-> "Codechange: removed extra newlines" 21:58:24 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 21:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly is tgcc.grf? 21:58:51 <dih> a file 21:58:59 <Gonozal_VIII> "Codechange: removed all newlines and spaces everywhere" 21:59:24 <Gonozal_VIII> a grf file 21:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause> that directory used to be a lot more crowded... 21:59:42 <Gonozal_VIII> indeed 21:59:46 <peter__> :o 21:59:49 <peter__> quick, ignore those files 22:00:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i threw out all those unused grf files yesterday 22:01:01 <peter__> tgcc is "town growth challenge cargos" 22:01:22 <Eddi|zuHause> aha. 22:01:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm town growth challenge 22:02:00 <peter__> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Peter1138/Towngrowth_Challenge 22:02:12 <peter__> i did the cargos but nothing else 22:02:51 <Gonozal_VIII> sounds a bit like anno0815^^ 22:02:54 <peter__> idea was to make it mostly newgrf 22:03:04 <peter__> instead of korenn's hardcoded fork 22:03:52 <Gonozal_VIII> those growing rules could be nice in trunk too 22:04:07 <peter__> quite 22:04:11 <peter__> all optional of course 22:04:37 <Eddi|zuHause> such gameplay refinements all scream "difficulty option" to me 22:05:58 <peter__> some of his choices are odd 22:06:07 <Gonozal_VIII> 4 times faster with power... isn't that a bit too much? 22:06:07 <peter__> like making refittable wagons able to carry any cargo type... 22:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> easy games have very little gameplay diversification, and you can optionally enable more complex simulations for higher difficulty levels (e.g. passenger destinations, complex signalling (with crashes if done wrong), ...) 22:06:31 <peter__> Gonozal_VIII, depends how slow you make it without ;) 22:06:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:15 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the category steps are odd... 22:07:35 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 22:07:41 <Eddi|zuHause> they should be some kind of exponential 22:08:15 <Gonozal_VIII> i think they are ok 22:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Once at or over 15500 inhabitants, it can no longer grow. <- and that is totally weird 22:09:03 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:20 <Belugas> bye 22:12:58 <Gonozal_VIII> allow all vehicles that are refittable to refit to all cargo types <-- i think he means support for the cargo types in use 22:14:11 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55D75.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:12 <peter__> either way that's all controllable by newgrf 22:14:16 <peter__> which is nice 22:17:20 * peter__ idly uploads http://fuzzle.org/o/enginepool20080108h.diff 22:17:25 <peter__> "just in case" 22:17:46 <Prof_Frink> peter__! newwhateveritisyouredoing! 22:18:22 <peter__> YES 22:18:25 <peter__> that's what i'm doing 22:18:31 <peter__> (see engines3.png, heh) 22:18:46 <peter__> which is oldish and has already been seen here 22:19:38 <Gonozal_VIII> is that a tank :S 22:19:59 <peter__> hmm> 22:20:01 <peter__> ? 22:20:02 <Gonozal_VIII> ge steeplecab looks like a tank 22:20:26 <peter__> heh 22:20:52 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-211-73.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 22:21:35 <peter__> i need an old ttd game, though 22:21:53 <Gonozal_VIII> why? 22:22:00 <peter__> to test 22:24:36 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 22:28:01 <Prof_Frink> peter__: holy moly 22:28:34 <Prof_Frink> That's a fair bit of choice 22:29:01 <Digitalfox> peter__: Where can i find engines3.png ? 22:29:39 <Prof_Frink> http://fuzzle.org/o/engines3.png 22:30:18 <Digitalfox> thanks Prof_Frink :) 22:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause> dbg: [misc] German Townnames are buggy (-1895311447) <-- ??? 22:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/TRP04.SV1 <- this looks like a very old TTD(P?) game of mine 22:33:28 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-32-105.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:34:44 <peter__> thanks 22:37:59 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:38:02 <peter__> yeah, that works :D 22:40:03 <Eddi|zuHause> something is weird... water below bridges is converted to canals 22:43:16 *** edocronian [~a@79-66-92-242.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:45:09 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:45:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> man, seeing this half-evolved building style is weird... 22:47:47 <peter__> the old "did i really used to do that?" trick? 22:47:56 *** Zothar [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-202-109.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 22:48:13 <Gonozal_VIII> you mean weird like that? http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2012.%20Mai%201939.png 22:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> not even close ;) 22:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> stuff like 90° turns 22:50:48 *** Cai [~chatzilla@124.149.50.35] has joined #openttd 22:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (which was most of the times a workaround, since turning in stations was ... unreliable 22:50:58 <Gonozal_VIII> wooden bridges with catenary look really strange 22:51:08 <Cai> with? 22:51:35 <Gonozal_VIII> wires 22:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, wooden bridges are what disturbs me the most, but no other ones were available 22:52:26 <Eddi|zuHause> meanwhile that is a suspension bridge, but they are much too small 22:52:33 <Gonozal_VIII> that's what the brick viaduct is for 22:52:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but it is not compatible with newbridges/combroads 22:53:02 <Gonozal_VIII> make it compatible 22:53:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i did 22:53:15 *** jp473 [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-240-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jp473] 22:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i don't like the red colour 22:53:41 <Gonozal_VIII> change it.. 22:53:43 <Cai> I like red 22:53:44 <Cai> ^^ 22:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i like blue ;) 22:53:59 <Gonozal_VIII> blue bricks? 22:54:03 <Cai> :O how did u get emoticon! 22:54:05 <Gonozal_VIII> you should play brickland^^ 22:54:07 <Cai> xD 22:54:22 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't mean i want to have a bridge in that colour 22:55:04 <Cai> lol 22:55:12 *** Cai [~chatzilla@124.149.50.35] has left #openttd [User is away.] 22:55:23 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 22:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.goeltzschtalbruecke.de/ <- this is what a brick viaduct should look like 22:57:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C805.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:19 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 22:58:54 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Elstertalbruecke_bei_jocketa_um_1900.jpg <- or this (same track, a few km away) 22:59:31 <Gonozal_VIII> nice 23:00:27 <Gonozal_VIII> shouldn't be too hard to tweak the colour to be less reddish 23:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause> these are the largest and the second largest brickstone viaduct in the world, respectively 23:01:13 <Gonozal_VIII> brickstone? 23:01:16 <Gonozal_VIII> pudelhund? 23:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever 23:02:24 <Prof_Frink> One word. Ribblehead. 23:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, "Ziegelstein" is a perfectly valid word, imho 23:03:24 <Gonozal_VIII> ziegelstein is, brickstone isn't ;-) 23:03:59 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has joined #openttd 23:04:25 <Gonozal_VIII> bridgestone is... 23:05:09 <Prof_Frink> a tyre. 23:05:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i know 23:05:58 <peter__> nini 23:06:10 <Gonozal_VIII> ni! 23:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. they recently decided to electrify the track over these two bridges 23:06:51 <Gonozal_VIII> but those are not wooden bridges 23:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it's on the main line {Leipzig, Dresden} - Reichenbach - Plauen - Hof - NÃŒrnberg 23:07:28 <Gonozal_VIII> ok... they are... replacing the string doesn't work 23:08:33 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:GöltzschtalbrÃŒcke_GröÃenvergleich_mit_Auto.jpg <- when looking at that picture, my thought was: "where the fuck is the car?" 23:09:47 *** peter__ [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: peter__] 23:10:57 <Gonozal_VIII> seems like the lower part is stone, not bricks 23:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Ziegelmauerwerk 52%, Werksteinmauerwerk 36%, Bruchsteinmauerwerk 12% 23:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Baukosten ca. 2,2 Millionen Taler (6,6 Millionen Goldmark) 23:12:37 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 23:15:11 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:18 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 23:15:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 23:15:20 <Gonozal_VIII> night 23:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so early? 23:15:50 <Gonozal_VIII> have to wake up at 7 :-/ 23:16:37 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Elstertalbruecke.jpg <- another brick viaduct (this time a road bridge) 23:16:43 *** Zothar [~Zothar@ppp-70-242-202-109.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 23:17:14 <Eddi|zuHause> or rather stone bridge 23:17:17 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 23:17:20 <Gonozal_VIII> not bricks 23:17:54 <Gonozal_VIII> looks like a lot of work 23:17:58 <Eddi|zuHause> building of this bridge started in 1937 (as part of the Autobahn project) 23:18:04 <Eddi|zuHause> was halted in 1940 23:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and continued after 1990 23:18:50 <Bjarni> well... Australia just finished the railroad to Darwin. It took 84 years to complete without breaks 23:19:17 <Bjarni> sometimes stuff can't be build overnight 23:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it was close to The Border, there was no use to finish a bridge leading "nowhere" 23:20:03 <Bjarni> build time and lifetime tend to go hand in hand so you shouldn't cause too much at slow build times 23:20:53 <dih> i met a person who was given a binary compiled to be '0.6.1-alpha' :-D 23:21:13 <Bjarni> hehe... sounds like the "Japanese bridge" in Kanchatka. The Russians used Japanese POW to build a railroad bridge during WW2 and since it wasn't finished at the end of the war they never finished it 23:21:37 <Bjarni> the thing is... there is NOTHING on either side of the river and the closest railroad is more than 1000 km away 23:21:45 <Bjarni> it's really in the middle of nowhere 23:21:55 <Bjarni> and very far away even by Russian standards 23:22:17 <Bjarni> dih: huh? 23:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause> well, after 1990, there was suddenly "somewhere" to go 23:22:22 <Bjarni> we never made an alpha 23:22:37 <dih> nope 23:22:45 <dih> someone compiled it with --revision= 23:22:54 <dih> and who knows what else is in there 23:23:05 <dih> you never made an 0.6.1 either 23:23:25 <dih> and now that poor sod is sitting in #openttdcoop and wants to join the server :-D 23:23:34 <Bjarni> LOL 23:23:43 <Bjarni> I wouldn't trust that binary at all 23:23:53 <Gonozal_VIII> i said night! 23:23:58 <Gonozal_VIII> and now i go 23:24:05 <Bjarni> so soon? 23:24:11 <Gonozal_VIII> ... 23:24:30 <Bjarni> there is at least 5 hours until you realise that you are going to skip sleeping tonight 23:25:03 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:25:16 <Eddi|zuHause> man, there are no pictures of the unfinished bridge to find anywhere... 23:25:27 <Bjarni> heh 23:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it was a so common picture when i grew up... 23:25:45 *** NamedNubcake [~chatzilla@124.149.50.35] has joined #openttd 23:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> people made sightseeing tours just to see "the unfinished bridge" 23:26:10 <Bjarni> now you sound like my mom. Talking about the stuff she never took pictures of because it was common and now it's gone 23:26:21 <dih> lol 23:26:39 <NamedNubcake> so know i found the grfs, do i put them in nightly? 23:27:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:31 <NamedNubcake> Hey it works now 23:27:38 <NamedNubcake> now for coop grfs 23:28:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:28:26 <Ammler> NamedNubcake: don't ask about coop grfs here, join #openttdcoop 23:28:34 <Bjarni> yeah I coded a self correcting code. It's meant to deal with missing file issues on it's own... after a few attempts it can fix itself 23:28:42 <NamedNubcake> but they just said for me to join this irc channel 23:28:51 <Ammler> :), I know 23:29:06 <NamedNubcake> wth??! 23:29:30 <dih> you were failing to get openttd to run, so i sent you here 23:29:30 *** Pikita [~qwertypop@89.241.232.231] has joined #openttd 23:29:38 <Ammler> Bjarni: next step is a self creating code 23:29:46 <Pikita> Ammler 23:29:54 <Pikita> I thought you were going to sleep 23:29:55 <Bjarni> already working on that... it's a bit more tricky though 23:30:23 <dih> why do screens not have an airbag 23:30:29 <Bjarni> I don't like the speed of the code it generates... almost like java code 23:30:46 <Ammler> Pikita: I am slow on doing things :) 23:30:56 <dih> if something nasty happens (is done by a user) trigger the airbag :-D 23:30:58 <Bjarni> huh 23:31:01 <Pikita> lol 23:31:10 <Bjarni> Ammler: I don't remember telling my self coding code to code you..... 23:31:17 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 23:31:29 <dih> lol 23:31:36 <dih> it did it by itself 23:31:37 <Ammler> :P 23:31:44 <dih> ahhh 23:31:56 <dih> Ammler is a creation of Bjarni's self coding code 23:32:07 <Bjarni> beta software.... go figure 23:32:13 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:55 <Ammler> hmm, if its beta like openttd, then I am happy 23:33:18 <Ammler> but don't program me like a stable windows 23:33:39 <Bjarni> you are more like a first version of autoreplace 23:33:46 <Ammler> autsch 23:33:48 <Bjarni> crashes whenever networking is used 23:34:03 <dih> hehehe 23:34:29 <dih> did autoreplace gain strength when appearing with multiple numbers of l's ? 23:35:44 <Bjarni> first version of autoreplace could try to replace a train after it left the depot if the game lagged too much 23:36:08 <dih> LOL 23:36:08 <dih> that is awsome 23:36:30 <Bjarni> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08010804pretec48gb.asp <-- interesting... my plan about making a zero noise computer is getting closer and closer 23:36:53 <Rubidium> zero noise? that's never going to happen 23:37:09 <Prof_Frink> My libretto's close to zero noise 23:37:18 <Rubidium> close, but not zero noise 23:37:37 <Bjarni> well... with no moving parts at all 23:38:00 <Bjarni> I know the PSU and stuff can still generate a bit of noise but nothing compared to HD engines and fans 23:39:55 <Rubidium> a computer with no moving parts will still make a noise (only not hearable) 23:40:09 <Rubidium> the amount of dBs is just too low 23:42:25 <Bjarni> yeah 23:42:33 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:42:53 <Bjarni> my point is that the stress level in the blood increases if exposed to constant noise of 15 dB or more 23:43:08 <Bjarni> so it's advised to keep all noise below that level 23:43:25 <Bjarni> it should be possible to make a max 10 dB computer 23:44:30 <Rubidium> I guess mine is very close to that 23:45:11 <ben_goodger> is it possible to tell how loud a system is without resorting to painfully expensive equipment? 23:45:20 <ben_goodger> also, is 10dB not the sound of a watch tick? 23:45:29 <Bjarni> could be tricky 23:45:31 <NamedNubcake> 10 db? 23:45:56 <Bjarni> I would borrow it as I know where I can borrow not only noise level but also noise direction detection hardware 23:46:04 <NamedNubcake> Just use a micro phone INSIDE and record for 1 minute then use a sound editing program to measure it 23:46:39 <NamedNubcake> I know my computer pumps out 21.35 Db average 23:46:47 <NamedNubcake> On full load :P 23:50:54 <ben_goodger> my system never drops below a load of 1.4, so I have no idea if it gets quieter :D 23:51:01 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 23:51:07 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has joined #openttd 23:55:04 <Sacro> NamedNubcake: dB 23:55:17 <NamedNubcake> sorry 23:55:35 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:56:36 <Bjarni> Sacro: actually you didn't really tell us where you moved except that your window is facing south and that you are moving away from the Chinese girl 23:56:45 <Bjarni> so... where do you move TO? :) 23:57:03 <Rubidium> from Hull to Hell? 23:57:12 <Sacro> Bjarni: hu52az 23:57:15 <ben_goodger> not far to go... 23:57:21 <Bjarni> Rubidium: I thought it was the same thing 23:57:33 <Bjarni> two names started by a typo 23:57:55 <Bjarni> or somebody mishearing the name 23:58:03 *** Stoffe [~mirc@89.233.243.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:03 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 23:58:44 <Sacro> we're on the road, to hull! 23:58:54 <Bjarni> you live on the road? 23:59:05 <Rubidium> in a cardboard box 23:59:11 <Bjarni> with a window? 23:59:24 <Sacro> haha :p 23:59:40 <Rubidium> ofcourse... but without glass 23:59:42 <Bjarni> sophisticated homeless guy