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00:00:17 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 00:00:44 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 00:00:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> bah, i hate when kwin crashes 00:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> the windows are all out of place afterwards 00:01:53 <Lakie> Hehe, I prefer the bikes in PGR4 00:02:19 <Lakie> If a map had corners, I could beat cars (although with lots of straights it became a pain). 00:02:53 <Sacro> yeah 00:03:02 <Sacro> and i just lost the game D: damn lolman 00:03:15 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-188-118.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is entirely your own fault :p 00:04:13 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.75.100] has joined #openttd 00:06:11 <Lakie> Hehe 00:06:50 * Lakie found that trying to get the beat hard using a controller only achievement is near damn impossible once you get to 3 & 7sw 00:07:29 <Sacro> yeah 00:07:30 <Sacro> hehe 00:07:35 <Sacro> the tesla roadster is quite nice 00:09:34 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzzzzzzz] 00:10:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a feeling the conversation is slightly off topic 00:11:14 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:11:16 <Lakie> Heh, Easy is very simple now too, can't believe I struggled with it before. -_- 00:11:20 <Lakie> Yeah, sorry, Eddi. 00:13:01 <Sacro> sorry Eddi 00:13:27 <Sacro> i'm exiled from #tycoon, but #sacro is available! 00:21:49 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:21:49 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:07 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-250-12-157.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:02 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78.107.165.205] has quit 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ding 04:04:02 <De_Ghosty> what's half tile slope? 04:30:31 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Ngith all.] 04:49:28 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-5716.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Oh noes] 04:56:18 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-188-118.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 04:57:31 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-5716.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 04:59:41 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-188-118.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 05:11:59 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:13:14 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-5716.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:15:51 *** Shana [XeroChat@ppp129.39-205-205.netc.net] has joined #openttd 05:18:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F327E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 05:28:16 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 05:30:54 *** Shana 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[~Ammler@adsl-84-226-15-144.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:34:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12783 /trunk/src/oldloader.cpp: -Codechange: do not statically allocate the 'temporary map3 array' in the oldloader. 08:35:02 <Wolf01> I'm working on a new idea: http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/ottd_grfguirestyle.png should I go ahead or is better I trash it? 08:41:21 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-107-243-224.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:41:47 <Ammler> Wolf01: what happens if you add a GRF, doe it change the view to GRFList? 08:43:26 <Alberth> Would it be possible to make it a tree-like display with dir/file structure? (I normally don't use GRF files, but that seems like a logical direction to go) 08:43:27 <Wolf01> You will be able to select multiple grfs and add them with one click, the grf list will be updated like it is now, it will be only hidden 08:45:44 <Wolf01> and the dividers will be part of the gui instead of external grfs 08:47:55 <Ammler> just liked to ask that, 08:48:34 <Ammler> how will you know, in which category a GRF belongs? 08:48:52 <Wolf01> you move it by hand 08:49:06 <Wolf01> like the vehicle groups 08:50:24 <Ammler> they don't fit the coop pack :-) 08:50:50 <Wolf01> why? 08:50:57 <peter1138> hee, wasting file slots and memory just for dividers? heh 08:50:59 <Ammler> because of special orders 08:51:13 <Ammler> you can't put all GRFs together like that 08:51:37 <Wolf01> I can't follow you 08:51:56 <Ammler> like newcargo from Michael Blunck needs to be loaded at last 08:52:04 <Ammler> but ECS needs to be before houses 08:52:28 <Ammler> so 2 Newindustries in different parts of the List :-) 08:53:48 <Wolf01> I don't see the problem, you can always put a vehicle grf in industries divider, but since most grfs can be placed into categories, like stations or scenery you can group them 08:54:30 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-107-243-224.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 08:54:55 <Ammler> Wolf01: make them optional :-) 08:56:00 <Ammler> and you would also need to save them (in save and cfg) 08:57:00 <Wolf01> they are intended as optional... you can place all the grfs under the "ungrouped" divider and leave others empty 08:57:49 <peter1138> and then there's things like canset that also has cargos and industries... 08:58:20 <Alberth> so first compute a dependency graph :) 08:58:21 <Wolf01> but I think I won't do anything, too much complicated 08:58:41 <Gekz> damn server desyncs 08:58:44 <Ammler> thats bad GRF coding stlye anyway 08:58:48 <Gekz> what causes desyncs on a server that was stable for 10 years 08:58:52 <Gekz> and is now unstable 08:58:55 <Gekz> 10 ttd years 08:58:56 <Gekz> >_> 08:59:00 <peter1138> bugs 08:59:07 <Gekz> such as 08:59:30 <peter1138> bugs that haven't been found yte 08:59:35 <Gekz> lol 08:59:47 <Gekz> I dont like where this is going 08:59:48 * Gekz runs 08:59:51 <Ammler> Can't relly understand, why OzTransLtd mix all his GRFs 09:00:34 <Gekz> because he's Oztraylian 09:00:39 <Ammler> is the Limit for different NewGRFs in TTDP much lower? 09:01:52 <Ammler> (same with roadset, has also trams in it) 09:05:45 <Ammler> Gekz: nightly server? 09:06:32 <Ammler> I can't remember last desyncs at coop ps 09:06:52 *** perkrith [~irc@30.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 09:06:56 <Ammler> oh, it was with the prospecitng industries) :-) 09:09:50 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 09:11:29 *** What25895 [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:13:49 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-242-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:16 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:32 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9EC85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:58 <Roest> morning 09:25:42 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:07 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:38:51 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:38:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:42:07 *** rebry_ [~irc@30.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 09:42:07 *** perkrith [~irc@30.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:26 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:46:38 *** ralph_ [~ralph@p54B9E1B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80F9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:48:40 *** Roest is now known as Guest720 09:48:40 *** ralph_ is now known as Roest 09:49:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8402B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:49:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:50:14 *** rebry_ [~irc@30.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:44 *** welshdragonmob [~mark@212.183.134.67] has joined #openttd 09:52:21 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:53:18 *** welshdragonmob [~mark@212.183.134.67] has left #openttd [] 09:53:39 *** Guest720 [~ralph@p54B9EC85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:53:59 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 09:54:13 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499DD62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:55:20 *** perkrith [~irc@30.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 10:03:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-15-144.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:57 *** ralph_ [~ralph@p54B9D5D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:40 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:10:13 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9E1B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12784 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp openttd.h saveload.cpp saveload.h): -Codechange: handle the asynchronious save 'handlers' in saveload.cpp instead of openttd.cpp. 10:20:16 *** Yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:28:47 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-15-144.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:32:10 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:43 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:14 <dih> http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/071219.html 10:53:58 <Yorick> heh 10:54:10 <dih> http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/080115.html 10:54:20 <dih> hey there Yorick 10:54:42 <Yorick> now we only need <ln> English only! 10:55:10 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78890.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 10:56:34 <ralph_> dih: lol 10:56:37 <dih> what i said was in english 10:56:46 <dih> ralph_ ^^ 10:57:18 *** ralph_ is now known as Roest 10:57:38 <Yorick> even nicknames should be english 10:57:58 <ln> Yorick: yes, i've demanded that already, with little luck. 10:58:18 <Roest> lol 10:58:37 <dih> ln is not even a word 10:58:44 <dih> how you wanna make that english then? 10:58:48 <dih> :-P 10:59:04 <dih> el-en 10:59:12 <dih> just need to prefix that with an H 10:59:14 <dih> Helen 10:59:19 <dih> haha 10:59:21 <Yorick> lol 10:59:26 <SmatZ> :-D 10:59:42 <Sacro> dih: nor is your name 10:59:47 <dih> dihedral 10:59:51 <Yorick> dihedral is english! 11:00:00 <dih> lo-ho-ho-ser 11:00:17 <dih> :-P 11:00:22 <Yorick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihedral <-- he's even on wikipedia! 11:00:35 <Rubidium> dih: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ln <- the dictionary knows it though 11:00:37 <Sacro> at least my name is in Latin, which pwns 11:01:15 <Yorick> but not english! 11:01:26 <dih> ? 11:01:38 <Yorick> Sacro == latin, != english 11:01:47 <Sacro> Yorick: pfft 11:01:52 <Sacro> english > latin 11:01:53 *** Yorick is now known as polyhedral 11:02:04 * dih slaps polyhedral 11:02:08 <ln> i have access to Oxford English Dictionary. gimme ops and i'll kick everyone whose nick cannot be found in there! 11:02:22 <dih> i might register that nick also and set a security flag 11:02:22 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:29 *** polyhedral is now known as yorick 11:02:32 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:02:40 <yorick> :p 11:02:56 <dih> ln - sinse when do names have to be found in a dictionary? 11:03:04 *** Roest is now known as tetrahydral 11:03:16 <dih> it'd 'hedral' you nit-whit 11:03:23 <tetrahydral> lol 11:03:25 <Sacro> /nick Sucre 11:03:31 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:40 <dih> try anhedral :-) 11:03:40 <ln> dih: since 19th April 2008 13:02 CET 11:03:47 *** tetrahydral is now known as Roest 11:03:56 *** yorick is now known as tetrahedral 11:03:58 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:04:04 *** tetrahedral is now known as yorick 11:04:21 <dih> i should register all ...hedral's 11:04:35 *** yorick is now known as octohedral 11:04:36 <Rubidium> mine's in at least Afrikaans, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, French, German, Bahasa Indonesian, Latin, Norwegian and Swedish ;) 11:04:44 *** octohedral is now known as yorick 11:05:02 <yorick> I'm dutch and don't know what that means... 11:05:02 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:31 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:05:39 <Rubidium> yorick: then you shouldn't have flunked chemistry and failed to watch Brainiac 11:05:57 <yorick> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Rubidium_amp.jpg <-- ah, a recent picture of rubidium 11:06:36 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:06:36 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:00 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 11:07:53 * dih is waiting to see yorick kicked :-P 11:07:53 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:58 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:09:04 * dih tosses a coin to yorick 11:09:05 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:15 <dih> [13:05] <TrueBrain> yorick: get a life 11:09:15 <dih> [13:06] * yorick can't; too expensive 11:09:37 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:09:38 * yorick has quit (Kicked (himself)) 11:09:59 <dih> a kick does not result in quit you nit-whit 11:10:20 <Rubidium> really? 11:10:22 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:35 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:10:41 <Rubidium> dih: maybe 'we' should show how a real kick looks 11:11:10 <dih> i have a odd feeling about that 11:11:13 <dih> but go ahead 11:11:29 *** dih was kicked from #openttd by Rubidium [<for educational purposes only>] 11:11:29 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:11:56 <dih> thanks 11:11:56 <yorick> :P 11:11:58 <dih> i needed that 11:12:58 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:12:58 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:26 <dih> svippery: get a connection :-P 11:14:11 <svippery> :( I thought I had, dih. 11:14:17 <dih> hehe 11:14:20 <svippery> I was just out on a holiday. 11:14:25 <dih> ah 11:14:25 <svippery> And when I came back, it was awful. 11:14:26 <dih> i know 11:14:29 <dih> how that is 11:14:44 <dih> every time i come back from a holiday my connection drops constantly too 11:14:46 <svippery> I hope it settles soon. 11:14:56 <dih> :-P 11:15:13 <yorick> everytime I go on a holiday my connection is also unusable :-( 11:15:19 <svippery> :o 11:15:22 <svippery> I smell conspiracy! 11:15:24 <dih> yorick: you have to copy me? 11:15:36 <yorick> no, because you come back, and I go 11:17:00 <Roest> stop stealing your neighbours wireless 11:17:06 <svippery> >:O Hey! 11:17:10 <svippery> This is my connection. 11:17:12 <svippery> I running on wired. 11:17:17 <svippery> I blame my filthy ISP. 11:17:37 <svippery> I demand to get the service I don't pay for! 11:18:40 <Ammler> @op dih 11:18:45 <dih> complaints go to #moocows 11:18:49 <dih> lol Ammler 11:19:01 <Ammler> doesn't work, sorry :-) 11:19:06 <dih> lololol 11:19:45 <dih> perhaps Rubidium can help you Ammler :-D 11:20:03 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:23:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:27:06 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:27:06 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28:38 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:28:38 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:30 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:38:30 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:34 <Mwa> ): 11:42:50 <Mwa> The trams aren't working in the North American Roads NewGRF 11:43:12 <Ammler> Mwa: they should :-) 11:43:23 <Ammler> at least in my testings 11:43:26 <Mwa> I know they should. 11:43:36 <Mwa> That's why I'm upset that they don't 11:44:01 <Roest> north americans hate trams 11:44:05 <Mwa> oh wait 11:44:07 <Mwa> it does now 11:44:08 <Mwa> nevermind 11:44:13 <Mwa> ?_? 11:44:46 <dih> lol 11:45:13 <Mwa> Note to self, start in 1921 not 1920 11:47:07 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-15-144.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:49:51 <Ammller> accidentially pushed shutdown :-) 11:50:01 <Rubidium> haha 11:50:19 <Rubidium> that's why they made it so complex to shut down your computer in Vista 11:51:18 <Ammller> well, it wasn't that accidentially, the laptop liked to sleep because the akku is empty 11:51:24 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-15-144.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:36 <Ammller> so I pluged in power an liked to wake it up 11:52:19 <peter1138> Rubidium: what, pressing the button is too hard? 11:52:52 <Rubidium> oh, right... that overrides everything ;) 11:53:12 <Rubidium> it's just that mine gets overriden, i.e. it won't shutdown when I press it 11:53:22 <Rubidium> unless I press it for more than 4 seconds 11:53:39 <Rubidium> just to keep people from doing 'funny' things when you're working on it 11:54:26 <Ammller> hmm, 4 sec isn't a "clean" shutdown here, the pc is off immediatly then 11:54:56 <Ammller> thats a "bios" feature 11:55:13 <Rubidium> clean shutdowns are overrated 11:55:36 <Ammller> :-) 11:56:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> shutdowns are overrated 11:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> i practically never have "clean" shutdowns 11:56:54 <Rubidium> when you press the shutdown button on my computer it happily starts flushing to disk and it parks the drive after ~3 seconds if the button is still pressed 11:59:45 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:59:45 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:20 <Alberth> I just refactored a piece of FOR_ALL_WINDOWS code out from two station_gui code (see http://paste.openttd.org/2817). The original functions are now just 1 line. Should these functions be left as is, refactored to an inline function, or completely eliminated? (and a similar case in vehicle_gui.cpp, see http://paste.openttd.org/2818) 12:01:04 *** KCMatt [~Admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:01:41 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7A138.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:01:55 <Rubidium> I'd leave it as done in the patch 12:01:59 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD5D290.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:53 <Alberth> ok, tnx 12:07:43 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78890.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:02 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:09:14 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8402B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83742.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:11:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:12:35 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A12E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:14:21 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-250-13-153.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:18 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7A138.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:16 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:33 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B34E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:29:38 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A12E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:07 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D32.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:34:38 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B34E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:10 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-250-13-153.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:39 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78938.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:50:09 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-250-13-153.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:38 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D32.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:10 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E87.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:56:43 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78938.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:13 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 13:02:07 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:02:54 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B60E5C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:03:34 *** KCMatt [~Admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 13:04:42 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12786 /trunk/src/ (functions.h strings.cpp): -Change: remove more function from functions.h. 13:05:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12787 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Documentation: add/fix documentation of some functions. Patch by Alberth. 13:05:47 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:06:32 *** thgerg2 [~Administr@dsl51B78889.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:07:48 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12788 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: unduplicate some vehicle GUI code. Patch by Alberth. 13:08:13 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E87.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:30 <Alberth> patch still too big? 13:09:20 <Rubidium> too much unrelated changes 13:09:46 <Rubidium> and you should be happy that I'm a little bored at the moment 13:10:30 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has left #openttd [Closing Window] 13:10:36 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 13:10:53 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:10:59 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B60E5C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:59 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 13:11:05 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B388.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:11:05 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has left #openttd [] 13:11:13 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 13:13:51 <Alberth> thanks. I'll try to do better 13:14:34 *** thgerg2 [~Administr@dsl51B78889.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:32 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12789 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Codechange: rename AssignWindowViewport to InitializeWindowViewport because the viewport is now part of the window struct. Patch by Alberth. 13:21:07 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:21:58 *** HMage [U2FsdGVkX1@vixen.shadowpanther.ru] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:22:00 *** HMage [U2FsdGVkX1@vixen.shadowpanther.ru] has joined #openttd 13:22:26 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B788BB.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:28:08 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B388.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12790 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_func.h window_gui.h): -Codechange: code style fixes. Patch by Alberth. 13:29:33 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.209.220] has joined #openttd 13:29:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.189.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:36 <Roest> sounds bad 13:30:29 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E05.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:31:29 <Alberth> It is, I submitted 1 patch, and Rubidium makes 4 of them. I should have done that instead. 13:31:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83742.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 13:31:57 <Alberth> s/them/commits of the patch/ 13:32:32 <hylje> small changes all the way 13:33:13 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:33:59 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B788BB.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:32 <Roest> now that your patch is in, go rewrite paxdest 13:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> i may have a paxdest updated to r12697 13:35:16 <Roest> nah i don't want that paxdest, i want a new one that's multiplayer safe 13:35:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> then go ahead ;) 13:35:33 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:35:49 <Roest> don't have time, i already wasted two weeks i should've been working on my thesis 13:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> sounds familiar ;) 13:36:29 <Roest> doing small things and update and merge some patches is ok, but a big thing like paxdest would kill me 13:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i don't have sound anymore... 13:36:46 <Roest> switch you speakers on 13:37:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> correction: i have sound in everything except openttd 13:37:12 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7A13F.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:40:30 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:40:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> ah, volume appears to be 0 13:42:38 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E05.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:30 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D3B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:47:43 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7A13F.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:51 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:53:40 <Roest> my first javateacher said, if a function is longer than a screen page, make a new one 13:56:14 *** planetmaker_ [~chatzilla@Fcd25.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 13:56:31 *** planetmaker_ [~chatzilla@Fcd25.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [] 13:57:50 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:88e0:53a:250:2cff:fe07:ff2c] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:58:09 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcfa7.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> besides of the variable definition of a "screen page", that is not the worst coding style definition 14:03:15 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcd25.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 14:04:00 <ln> and definitely not that teacher's own invention. 14:08:58 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 14:10:10 <Roest> damn station_cmd.cpp changed a lot, i just wanted to put the middlestop patch in it, but that function looks completely different now 14:12:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> i should update that, i presume 14:13:10 <Roest> is it your work? 14:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 14:13:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> it was not really intended for public use, though 14:13:40 <Roest> cool, i got it from the gonozal thread, didnt see an original post 14:13:51 <Roest> i liked it 14:13:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> because i did not make one ;) 14:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, is there a readme or something for ECS grf parameters? 14:14:42 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7891C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:14:46 <Roest> if you find one, let me know 14:15:21 <Roest> especially a switch "no disappearing of serviced industries" would be nice 14:17:13 *** thgerg2 [~Administr@dsl51B78947.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:17:19 <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause3: at the wiki 14:17:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammller: did not find one 14:17:47 <Ammller> well, ttdpatch wiki :-) 14:19:33 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D3B.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, of course ... 14:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> but could you point me to it? 14:22:29 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:22:43 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7891C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:04 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B347.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:27:58 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcd25.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:23 *** thgerg2 [~Administr@dsl51B78947.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:27 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcfc1.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:44 <Roest> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36536 lol that post from stunt_monkey is hillarious 14:34:30 <ben_goodger> quite 14:35:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 14:35:18 *** Arie^ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )] 14:35:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:11 <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause3: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF_Table_(Trunk)#Industries_.2F_Cargos 14:38:07 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:46:56 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:47:23 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:57:04 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:59:30 <Roest> Maedhros: lol 14:59:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> Roest: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/middle_stop4.diff <- it's actually a little cleaner now, that the non-stop handling is factored out 15:00:22 <Roest> i guess this isnt halle/saale 15:00:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> why shouldn't it be? 15:01:01 <Roest> it is? 15:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> actually, it is Halle (Saale) 15:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's wrong with / 15:01:33 <Roest> cool, i'm in leipzig 15:01:43 <ln> the unicorn of halle. 15:10:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:10:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:11:19 <Roest> it's coming along nicely, already contains 10 patches 15:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> you don't happen to have a current daylength patch? 15:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> mine is from 11039... that won't work :p 15:13:34 <Roest> i have 12550 with that extra option fromt hat other guy, now working in 12784 15:13:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> link? 15:13:53 <Roest> sec 15:14:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> mine still wants to patch date.h :p 15:14:43 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bjarni * r12791 /trunk/src/ (autoreplace_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_func.h): 15:14:43 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: [autoreplace] Added a flag parameter (listens for DC_EXEC and DC_QUERY_COST) and included more info when returning CommandCost 15:14:43 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: This allowed cleaning up the code in MaybeReplaceVehicle() 15:16:01 <Roest> http://stinfwww.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~mai03gex/openttd/4_daylength_r12784.patch 15:18:46 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:56 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 15:26:28 <Mirrakor> what's wrong with the daylenght? 15:27:00 <Roest> it's too short, i'd need like 30 hours instead of 24 15:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> Mirrakor: some people want to spend more time at the same railway stage, to make better use of the engines before the next model comes out 15:27:40 <Bjarni> more like 38 15:27:53 <Bjarni> wait 15:27:57 <Bjarni> why not go all the way 15:27:58 <Bjarni> 42 hours 15:28:25 <Bjarni> then we would be able to solve some issues 15:33:34 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:35:15 *** sickie88 is now known as SickieAway 15:35:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:34 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9D5D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:22 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:52:49 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:53:31 <Alberth> SmatZ: do you have problems with the name WindowListItem or the fact it is not a std::list<Window*>::iterator STL class? 15:53:57 <SmatZ> Alberth: I don't see the point of your patch 15:54:08 <SmatZ> eg. what it is good for 15:55:30 <Alberth> remove statically allocated _z_windows array, allow unlimited windows, as in FS#925. In objectifying Windowing code, it is a small side step. 15:57:31 <SmatZ> well, there were patches allowing custom number of windows without all this STL thingies 15:58:07 <SmatZ> and with Window *const* being Window*const*, not WindowListItem_const 15:59:16 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause3: others like the game to last for days 15:59:37 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause3: me and my friend simply like watching our busses and trains drive around and the money going up :P 16:01:18 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... the planespeed setting is kinda reversed... you have to click on [<] to increase it 16:05:20 <glx> because it is 1/x 16:06:27 <Alberth> I don't see why you'd want to have a dynamically allocated array with Window* (and tomorrow BaseWindow*) if a list<> does it all for you. It also provides a universal interface and functions that are easier to understand than pointer derenferencing and memmove-ing blocks of pointers. 16:07:02 <Alberth> s/derenf/deref/ 16:10:22 *** boyinblue0|bandits [~Admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:13:05 <SmatZ> sure they are better understandable for a Java programmer 16:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh, this is going to be a flamewar 16:13:48 * Eddi|zuHause3 gets popcorn 16:14:01 * teeg fires up the BBQ and fetches cola 16:16:30 <Alberth> I *NEVER* programmed Java!! :) 16:17:04 <KingJ> I only got as far as displaying a line of text on the screen :P 16:17:32 *** boyinblue0|bandits [~Admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 16:17:46 <Alberth> (and no, it is not going to be a flamewar, if devs don't want it, ok. We have too many windows anyway ;) 16:18:21 <SmatZ> Alberth: I am not "devs" :) I just don't see any point in making everything OO 16:21:38 <Noldo> STL is not OO 16:22:02 <Alberth> try changing the Widget system without introducing some OO, and without everything falling on top of you :) I do however agree with you that you should not blindly throw in OO as THE solution. 16:24:47 <SmatZ> Noldo: no, STL is even worse, causing there are tens of useless functions placed everywhere in the code 16:24:58 <SmatZ> just because of a little change in the template parameter 16:25:13 <SmatZ> like Window* is not the same as int* or const char* 16:25:23 <SmatZ> growing the code and increasing compilation time 16:26:06 <Gekz> making Gekz angry 16:26:13 <Gekz> more compile time = less sexy time 16:26:18 <Noldo> maybe, but not OO 16:26:34 <Gekz> I say we do a full revolution 16:26:37 <Gekz> rewrite it all in asm 16:27:09 <Alberth> Gekz: That's already done 16:27:27 <Gekz> Alberth: what, all of OpenTTD rewritten in asm/ 16:27:32 <SmatZ> Noldo: enough OO for me 16:27:37 <Alberth> It comes with your GRF files on CD :) 16:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> hey, anyone ever watched the title game for a while? 16:27:42 <Gekz> thats not OpenTTD 16:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> the trains going from the depot to the suspension bridge 16:28:00 <Noldo> being a feature of C++ doesn't make it OO 16:28:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> they often go to the back of the one way signal instead of waiting at the red signal 16:28:21 <SmatZ> compile OTTD with "-S" -> you get fully compilable ASM code 16:28:54 <teeg> in VS or gcc? 16:29:09 <SmatZ> Noldo: I don't understand you again, what do you miss there? 16:29:17 <SmatZ> teeg: in gcc 16:33:59 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:41 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:38:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C159.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:05 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:31 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7A136.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:04:48 <Mwa> The american train set doesn't have any wheat transport cars! ): 17:06:48 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B347.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:52 <Maedhros> isn't that transported in refitted boxcars? 17:07:21 <Mwa> I thought it would be, but the boxcar doesn't seem to be refitable to it 17:07:40 <Mwa> Just goods paper and food. 17:11:38 <Mwa> It says in the readme that it can do grain, however. 17:11:57 <dih> if wheat was = grain 17:12:03 <dih> it would say grain not wheat 17:12:20 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549730E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:31 <Mwa> Well aparently grain != Wheat. 17:14:33 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78926.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:16:38 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B7A136.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:13 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1C4.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> weird, i get a floating point exception... 17:34:37 <Maedhros> in openttd? very weird... 17:34:41 <Maedhros> divide by 0, maybe? 17:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> most likely, but each of the patches alone worked... 17:38:19 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 17:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i might have missed a reject on merging 17:42:52 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 17:47:37 <ln> where do i add code for a tram station sign? 17:48:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> station_gui.cpp? 17:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> wherever the other station sign code is? 17:48:27 <ln> yeah, where is it? 17:48:45 <peter1138> it's in strings.cpp ;) 17:48:45 <ln> i don't immediately see it in station_gui.cpp 17:49:08 <peter1138> StationGetSpecialString() 17:49:20 <ln> so it seems 17:49:56 <ln> peter1138: omg, it's using hex literals rather than the enums for checking the station types? 17:51:35 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1C4.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> clean it up ;) 17:52:48 <ln> i don't think i have been granted commit access to svn. 17:53:25 <ln> but ok, i'll make a patch. 17:55:26 <Roujin> others who don't have svn access are also doing cleanup patches 17:55:34 <Roujin> see recent commits 17:56:08 <ln> what was the max line length according to coding style? 17:56:43 <Roujin> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Coding_style 17:57:18 <Roujin> but i don't think it says anything about max line length 17:57:50 <peter1138> ha ha! 17:58:02 * peter1138 solves his vibration issue by placing a harddrive on his pc 17:59:23 <Sacro> Roujin: should be at least 1 18:00:22 <ln> peter1138: Patch for bug [FS#ln]: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/cleanup-use-enum-for-station-types.diff 18:12:49 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:13:14 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:13:20 *** SUSaiyan [~SUSaiyan@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 18:13:27 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:17:19 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1C4.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:26:06 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:30:09 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 18:31:56 *** Madassasin [Madassasin@79.117.157.64] has joined #openttd 18:32:04 <Madassasin> hello everyone 18:32:19 <dih> you will not get me 18:32:23 * dih killes himself 18:33:02 * Sacro wanders off with a dead body 18:33:19 <Roujin> dih seems to dislike your nickname change :P 18:33:23 <peter1138> that's incriminating 18:33:37 <dih> lol Sacro 18:33:39 <dih> :-) 18:33:45 <Madassasin> what is DirectMusic required for? 18:33:45 <dih> i knew it 18:33:49 <dih> you fancied me all the time 18:33:52 <Madassasin> I suppose playing the MIDI files 18:33:58 <dih> and now that i am dead you think you can do with me what you like 18:34:00 <Sacro> dih: no, only now you're dead 18:34:16 <Sacro> i don't think you're in any position to stop me 18:34:23 <dih> lol 18:34:34 <dih> you are strange man ^^ 18:35:07 <Roujin> hmm 18:35:13 <Roujin> i knew i forgot something 18:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, something is weird... an industry i have is building up a pile of raw materials even though i don't deliver anything 18:36:02 <Roujin> i added a patch switch, with all changes to settings*.cpp, english.txt and so on, but forgot to implement what it switches oO 18:38:40 <ln> next question, how do i add a sprite? 18:39:00 <yorick> how to decompress openttd saves? 18:39:26 <dih> not? 18:39:43 <dih> edit your cfg to say savegameformat=none 18:39:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln: something like check out /extras/<openttdgrfsomething> 18:39:53 <dih> or something along those lines 18:40:20 <yorick> got it, thank you 18:41:15 <ln> all i need is a veeery small sprite. 18:42:16 <Ammller> did you change non-stoping another time? :-) 18:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> "svn: Unbekannter Hostname »svn.openttd.org«" <- now it has completely failed me 18:44:22 <glx> Eddi|zuHause3: normal 18:44:32 <glx> server's moving 18:44:52 <Ammller> it stopps now also with TTDP non-stopp handling 18:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammller: "TTDP non-stop handling" now only sets the default value 18:45:47 <Ammller> you need to set "Go non-stop to" 18:46:12 <glx> yes you have way more options now 18:46:23 <Ammller> but default shouldn't change 18:46:36 <Ammller> else you will have problems with old saves 18:46:48 * dih nods 18:46:57 <glx> conversion done on load 18:47:01 <glx> so no prblems 18:47:05 <dih> lol 18:47:09 <Ammller> ok :-) 18:47:29 <Ammller> so on load all go to will be changed to got to non-stop? 18:47:59 <Ammller> if TTDP handling is on? 18:48:12 <glx> depending on saved patch setting yes 18:48:40 <Ammller> can't that be default 18:48:54 <peter1138> huh? 18:48:57 <Ammller> and you have to change for "go to AND stop" 18:49:56 <Ammller> usual need is "goto non-stop", who needs the other way? 18:50:07 <Sacro> http://www.b3ta.com/links/An_Engineers_Guide_to_Cats 18:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> old 18:50:38 <peter1138> `you're not making much sense, Ammller 18:50:47 <Ammller> :-) 18:51:17 <Ammller> we used to take stations sometimes as penalties 18:51:27 <Ammller> to reroute trains 18:51:37 <peter1138> so? 18:52:08 <Ammller> peter1138: tell me, did someone use TTDPatch non-stop off? 18:52:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 18:52:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> <- 18:52:22 <peter1138> i never have ttdpatch non-stop enabled 18:52:24 <Ammller> and what is advantage? 18:52:26 <dih> LOL eddi 18:52:39 <ln> does it have to be named TTDPatchsomething? 18:52:39 <peter1138> well, it makes non-stop handling work correctly 18:52:54 <peter1138> ln, it should be 'fucked up non-stop', i agree 18:52:55 <Ammller> :-) 18:53:20 <peter1138> the advantage is, i can put the start and end stations on the order for a local line 18:53:26 <peter1138> and it will stop at the stations in between 18:53:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> it should be called "orders are non-stop by default" 18:53:43 <Sacro> peter1138: like IRL :P 18:53:45 <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause3: not anymore 18:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> and also affect newly given orders 18:54:00 <Ammller> now its only for loading as I see 18:54:03 <peter1138> Sacro: er, not quite ;) 18:54:55 <ln> anyway, as i've suggested a hundred years ago already, the "fucked up non-stop" should be settable on and off for individual trains. 18:55:04 <SUSaiyan> is there a good way to use multiple displays in OTTD? 18:55:21 <Ammller> so it needs to be changed to "orders are changed to non-stop if you load a old save" 18:55:23 <peter1138> ln, it is settable on/off per *order* now 18:55:58 <ln> peter1138: you know the Local/Express setting in Locomotion? 18:56:13 <Ammller> now, we need to change every single train 18:56:25 <Ammller> well, every single route :-) 18:56:56 <peter1138> ln, yes... ours is more flexible ;) 18:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammller: no, it is not only on loading, if the setting is on, new orders automatically get "non-stop" 18:57:11 <Ammller> I try 18:57:23 <Ammller> then somone made it wrong at current ps... 18:57:46 <dih> ^^ 18:58:12 <Ammller> ah, that setting is now server independend 18:58:14 *** Madassasin [Madassasin@79.117.157.64] has quit [] 18:58:29 <Ammller> omg 18:59:50 <ln> is there some set of small sprites that are part of OpenTTD and not loaded from the commercial data files nor from 3rd party newgrfs? 19:00:09 <peter1138> yes 19:00:14 <peter1138> 19:31 Eddi|zuHause3> ln: something like check out /extras/<openttdgrfsomething> 19:00:23 <peter1138> bit vague, i admit ;) 19:00:49 <peter1138> extra/ottd_grf 19:01:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i tried to find out, but svn failed ;) 19:02:08 <ln> thanks 19:02:11 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bjarni * r12794 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp: -Doc: added missing doxygen comment in autoreplace_cmd.cpp 19:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... "daylength affects industry production" does not seem to affect industry grf callbacks 19:05:35 <Sacro> daylength? 19:08:40 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:13:41 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-181-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:51 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:17:31 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:19:22 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-106-034.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:51 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 19:20:11 <Roujin> is the one nicknamed Gedemon in the forums here? 19:20:17 <ln> so once i have checked out that ottd_grf, and dloaded grfcodec, how do i add a new sprite? 19:20:27 <ln> should i add it to one of the .pcxes or what? 19:20:36 <Celestar> yeah, and encode the nfo file 19:20:57 <Ammller> ln: there is a Makefile in that svn fodler too, which should make the grf, iirc 19:21:04 <ln> Ammller: i noticed. 19:21:10 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:21:14 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:14 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82C9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:21:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:21:27 <ln> but so hmm, should i be editing the .nfos by hand? 19:21:48 <Ammller> if you only change sprites, you don't need to edit nfo 19:21:55 <ln> but i want to add a new one. 19:21:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> he wants to add a sprite 19:22:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> you just need to add a line to the nfo 19:22:08 <Ammller> oh 19:22:11 <Celestar> you have to add the sprite to the nfo 19:22:23 <ln> roger 19:22:26 <Ammller> why not make a own grf like others do? 19:22:39 <Ammller> like copy&paste or traffic 19:22:45 <Ammller> trafficlights 19:23:11 <peter1138> because that'll never get into trunk ;p 19:23:44 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:23:52 <Ammller> trafficlights? that bad? 19:23:54 <Roujin> i'd like to see a patch that does that properly, to learn from it myself 19:24:03 *** SickieAway is now known as sickie88 19:24:40 <Roujin> actually i looked at copy&paste and adapted how it loads its sprites, because i did not know how to do it better 19:24:41 <peter1138> Ammller, i mean the method of adding grfs 19:24:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.fahrtipps.de/img/symbole/strassenbahn.gif <- this is what a tram icon should look like 19:25:05 <Ammller> peter1138: buts its better for distributing the patch? 19:25:10 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause3: at 8 pixels high? (or whatever it is) 19:25:17 <Ammller> else you would need also to distribute the openttd.grf 19:25:24 <peter1138> Ammller: distributing a new openttd*.grf isn't so hard 19:25:45 <Ammller> how to combine different patches then? 19:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can scale it pretty well 19:26:11 <Ammller> like c&p and trafficlights :P 19:26:50 <Roujin> ammler: i've made the switch you asked for in my thread by the way.. 19:26:54 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 19:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammller: patch the grf source and encode it ;) 19:27:35 <Roujin> now I'm making a pathfinder penalty setting like someone else requested 19:27:35 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 19:28:16 <Roujin> i'm now thinking about if I should make it additionally to the crossing penalty, or instead 19:28:29 <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause3: I would say, if a patch is accepted for trunk, you have very fast converted a usual grf to openttdw.grf 19:29:54 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:28 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:30:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:30:29 <Ammller> hmm, would it be that hard to include grfcodec to openttd client? 19:30:40 <ln> -1 sprites/tramtracks.pcx 82 776 09 39 64 -31 -8 19:30:51 <ln> 82 776 are the coordinates, what about those other numbers? 19:31:04 <Ammller> offsets 19:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammller: grfcodec does not support all platforms 19:31:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> (especially big endian) 19:31:37 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:38 <Ammller> ln: // Format: spritenum pcxfile xpos ypos compression ysize xsize xrel yrel 19:32:59 <Ammller> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NFOFoundations 19:33:30 <DaleStan> Big endian should work properly now. 19:35:09 <peter1138> and 64bit yet? 19:36:09 <DaleStan> I have neither BE nor 64-bit processors on which to test. 19:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=RealSprites 19:38:51 <peter1138> you should try to use the (u)intX_t types instead of char/short/long 19:39:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82C9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:01 <peter1138> or leave char/short as is and use int instead of long 19:41:20 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 19:41:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83988.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:41:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:43:29 <ln> if we assume i have successfully encoded the grfs, how do i refer to such a sprite from the code? 19:43:33 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:45:22 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-242-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:31 <peter1138> in your case, that's wrong 19:45:37 <peter1138> oh... 19:45:47 <peter1138> hmm, no, you need to allocate it as a character 19:45:50 <peter1138> so 19:46:01 <peter1138> chose the best place for it to go (good luck) 19:46:39 <peter1138> actually you should be able to load it as a unicode character, and set the appriopriate SCC_ value to it 19:47:18 <ln> SCC_ value added, but not sure what the value should be. 19:48:24 <peter1138> tbh, any that's unused 19:49:41 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:01 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B60EB1.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:50:27 <peter1138> is there a unicode symbol for tram? hehe 19:50:27 <ln> ok, and where is this allocation as character done? 19:50:50 <ln> unfortunately not 19:52:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> you need to look for the place where the other glyphs are referenced 19:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> src/table/control_codes.h: SCC_TRAIN = SCC_SPRITE_START + 0xB4, <- like there 19:54:53 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78926.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:08 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcfc1.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: bye!] 19:56:53 <Wolf01> 'night 19:57:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host3-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:00:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:25 <ln> now i have a tramstop with the icon of a bus and a question mark. 20:00:32 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.105.74] has joined #openttd 20:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> then you did not use the right sprite number 20:01:27 <ln> probably not then. 20:04:26 *** Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@s15236362.onlinehome-server.info] has joined #openttd 20:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you inserted it at the end of openttd.grf, search for this line in table/sprites.h 20:05:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> SPR_NEWGRFS_BASE = SPR_EMPTY_BOUNDING_BOX + EMPTY_BOUNDING_BOX_SPRITE_COUNT, 20:06:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> and insert your sprite before this line 20:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> and then increase SPR_NEWGRFS_BASE accordingly 20:09:07 <peter1138> no need when using action 12 20:10:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, ok, that seems more sensible ;) 20:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> so insert a http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action12 line before your real sprite line 20:13:46 <ln> actually now it seems it's not yet in the openttdw.grf even though i ran make. 20:14:19 <hylje> are the grfs created upon compile? 20:14:33 <Rubidium> did you update openttdgui.nfo correctly? 20:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, the grfs are precompiled 20:14:48 <Rubidium> hylje: if you're in the ottd_grfs 'branch' 20:15:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> well "are" is not the right word 20:15:42 <ln> Rubidium: actually i placed the sign in in tramtracks.pcx, and yes i updated the respective .nfo, but who knows if it was correct. 20:16:10 <ln> but yeah, openttdgui could be a better place. 20:16:37 <peter1138> yeah, and do it as an action 12, then you don't have to worry about sprite ids 20:17:52 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 20:18:48 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 20:18:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can decode the grf after you encoded it, to look if the sprite really got into the grf 20:19:16 <ooo4tom> i have a question to the Linux/Windows Dual booters 20:19:45 <ooo4tom> what do you prefer to play OpenTTD in, Windows or Linux ? 20:20:02 <sickie88> why such a question? 20:20:16 <sickie88> you should know for yourself 20:20:32 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-16-45.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:20:43 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:47 <ooo4tom> i just want to know people opinions 20:21:52 <sickie88> I play it under GNU, through wine (because I play those patchpacks of which binaries are aviable only for the linux kernel) 20:21:59 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-15-144.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:17 <Rubidium> how lame can you be... 20:22:21 <sickie88> I very rarely go in windows, only for some games that wine don't like them 20:22:22 <Rubidium> not compiling your own version 20:22:33 <sickie88> hehe it takes too long to compile 20:22:38 <sickie88> why should I? 20:22:54 <sickie88> I have a very old comp and compiling takes a lot of time, few hours 20:22:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> people get more and more weird... 20:22:59 <ooo4tom> lol i agree, its quicker to download, the complie 20:23:07 <Rubidium> very old meaning? 20:23:15 <sickie88> and under wine it works just as good as in wins 20:23:19 <Rubidium> my 600 MHz laptop does it in 3 minutes 20:23:57 <sickie88> than why my 550 MHz takes that much time, I wonder 20:23:58 <peter1138> my 1250 MHz desktop did it in 8 minutes... 20:24:20 <sickie88> but than again, if under wine works just as good for me, why am I lame? 20:24:41 * Rubidium doesn't trust binaries of 'unknown' origin 20:24:58 <Rubidium> peter1138: better IPC ;) 20:25:32 <sickie88> I don't understand programming languages, so I shouldn't trust the sourcecode of pathcpacks too. 20:25:38 <hylje> inter-planetary connections 20:25:47 <peter1138> haha 20:25:55 <peter1138> damn right you shouldn't trust their source code 20:26:06 <hylje> (you shouldnt trust ours either?) 20:26:23 <sickie88> but I don't realy care 20:27:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:27:55 <Bjarni> * Rubidium doesn't trust binaries of 'unknown' origin <-- p2p is an origin :P 20:27:56 <sickie88> I am a lameo, after all (or is it afterall?) :) 20:28:38 <ooo4tom> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37206 20:29:13 <Bjarni> answers 20:29:21 <peter1138> stupid poll :) 20:29:35 <Bjarni> it should contain all platforms the game supports 20:29:41 <Bjarni> err 20:29:43 <peter1138> Bjarni, read the subject ;) 20:29:56 <Bjarni> where did the stupid part of "stupid answers" go? 20:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have a dual boot setup 20:31:14 <ooo4tom> oh :( 20:31:18 <Bjarni> I guess it should really only apply to people having dualboot 20:31:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i only ever boot into windows, when i am on a LAN ;) 20:31:35 <Bjarni> but AFAIK the game itself should really be the same 20:31:41 <ooo4tom> thats not a bad idea, i once did have a triple system :s 20:31:55 <Bjarni> I have dualboot as well 20:32:25 <Bjarni> due to the fact that MS gave XP for free to students and I once in a while has to use windows only software 20:32:31 <stillunk1own> I have more than one kernel, does that count :-) 20:33:26 <sickie88> it shouldn't count. A different kernel for the same distribution is not an OS per se 20:33:34 <Bjarni> my windows got an interesting selection of software and setup... I mean it has some software I use for making electronics and stuff but it lacks normal stuff like IRC and email 20:33:38 <peter1138> http://www.journaldumac.com/images/-2008/02/acer.jpg 20:34:00 <Bjarni> lol 20:34:51 <stillunk1own> sickie88: It was a joke. 20:34:57 <peter1138> probably a photoshop ;) 20:35:00 <ooo4tom> email, and IRC, Bjarni, i dont understand :s 20:35:56 <Bjarni> ooo4tom: it's simple... I need to do a specific task then I reboot into windows, solves the task and then reboots back into OSX 20:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> doesn't look very "natural" 20:36:28 <Bjarni> so usually I don't need stuff like that in windows 20:36:36 <Bjarni> my windows install even lacks OTTD 20:36:56 <Bjarni> on purpose as I don't want to stay in there for too long 20:37:16 <stillunk1own> I find the thought of dual booting annoying, so i don't. 20:38:07 <ooo4tom> oh, so youu don't have such APPS in Windows by choice, and the ones that come with windows, you don't use 20:38:10 <ooo4tom> i got you now lol 20:39:23 <ln> 1) i copy-paste my new sprite to sprites/openttdgui.pcx 2) i edit the .nfo, 3) i run make, 4) my sprite disappears from sprites/openttdgui.pcx! why? 20:39:54 <peter1138> split 20:40:07 <peter1138> do it in split 20:40:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-136-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:42:58 <Zuu> Anyone who know a XML -> Array pharser for PHP, given that I don't use atributes and nodes either contain data or sub-nodes? 20:43:05 <Zuu> (that is good) 20:43:21 <hylje> there are a couple included in the ginormous namespace of php 20:43:32 <ln> now it survived, thanks to peter. 20:43:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C159.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:56 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-250-13-153.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54758.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:16:21 <Ammlller> @seen phil 21:16:21 <DorpsGek> Ammlller: I have not seen phil. 21:16:22 *** ooo4tom_ [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 21:16:55 <Ammlller> @seen phil* 21:16:55 <DorpsGek> Ammlller: phil* could be Philipp (3 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 51 minutes, and 22 seconds ago) or Phil_ (1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 54 minutes, and 20 seconds ago) 21:17:13 *** Pug [~pug@iamgod.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:17:37 <Pug> hiya, anyone that knows how to install linux server package? 21:17:42 <Pug> having trouble with it :-/ 21:18:14 <Ammlller> Pug: do you like to compile it self? 21:18:53 <Pug> thats the first isseu 21:18:58 <Pug> i dont know how to compile it 21:19:06 <Pug> ive read the wiki, still no cleu 21:19:59 <Pug> ive downloaded a package, but im not sure if its the package that i need -,- 21:20:24 <Pug> http://www.openttd.org/nightly.php <-- downloaded it from here 21:20:42 <Pug> linux-i686 (bz2 - gz) 21:20:47 <Pug> server. 21:22:00 <Rubidium> tar -xf <filename> 21:22:59 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:16 <ooo4tom_> i just download the precomplied versions, and add the needed GRFs 21:23:58 <Pug> then i cant mod it roght 21:23:59 <Pug> right 21:24:15 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12795 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#1938]: vehicles could break down during loading and keep loading. The intention of the break down code is not to break down when having zero speed, therefor break downs now do not happen when loading. 21:24:21 <Ammlller> if you mean with mod NewGRFs, you can :-) 21:24:44 <ooo4tom_> if you want to add patches you need to complie with the patches 21:25:02 <Pug> but how, where to compile it 21:25:10 <Pug> do i need to download a compiler or? 21:25:12 <ooo4tom_> i personally find it easier in Windows, with Build OTTD to complie with patches 21:25:22 <ooo4tom_> on Linux no 21:25:26 <Pug> yes, but i got 2 dedi servers on linux 21:25:44 <Pug> im running other games on it, that are quite populair ^_^ 21:25:54 <Pug> and i want to start a tdd on it for fun 21:26:22 <Pug> but the package doesnt contain any cfg files or what so ever to set ports server name etc. 21:26:28 <Pug> so its confusing me 21:26:33 <Ammlller> http://www.openttd.org/dev.php <-- at the bottom are some packages which are needed before 21:26:48 <Rubidium> Pug: start it once, then it'll generate it 21:26:57 <Rubidium> in ~/.openttd/ thoguh 21:27:11 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 21:27:26 <Pug> thoguh? 21:27:44 <Pug> oh, though 21:28:13 <Pug> so, whats the standard port 21:28:22 <Ammlller> @openttd ports 21:28:22 <DorpsGek> Ammlller: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 21:29:16 <Pug> blah it wont even start 21:29:18 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:21 <Pug> screen -dmS ./opentdd 21:29:24 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 21:29:27 <Pug> screen -dmS <name> ./opentdd 21:29:32 <Ammlller> try openttd 21:29:37 <Patrick`_> mmm screen 21:29:54 *** What25895 [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:58 <Ammlller> maybe tabcompletation would help... ;-) 21:30:08 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499DD62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 21:30:35 <Ammlller> screen is nice for ottd server, we use that too. 21:30:46 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-188-118.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 21:31:26 <Pug> i dont think i have downloaded the correct server package 21:32:02 <Ammlller> there aren't many 21:32:13 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-188-118.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 21:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> did you copy the original data files? 21:32:39 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:33:06 <Pug> huh, what where? 21:33:21 <Noldo> data 21:33:26 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:33:43 <Pug> yes, i know what data is.. 21:33:51 <Noldo> directory named data 21:34:01 <Ammlller> he meant in ~/.openttd/data 21:34:34 <Ammlller> original GRFs are needed there... 21:34:35 <Pug> so, the client data files have to be copied into the server data? 21:34:53 <Ammlller> only the 5 files as mentioned in readme 21:35:35 <Ammlller> trg* and sample.cat (6 then) 21:35:53 <Pug> aahm yeah ive got them there 21:36:18 <Ammlller> what msg do you get at after start? 21:36:43 <Pug> nothing 21:36:47 <Pug> nothing at all 21:37:26 <Ammlller> maybe you need to start in dedicated mode 21:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> try ./openttd -D 21:37:32 <Ammlller> ./openttd -D 21:37:49 <Ammlller> you might have installed the client version :-) 21:37:58 <Pug> nah, its the Dedicated Server 21:38:01 <Pug> what ive downloaden 21:38:04 <Pug> doanloaded 21:38:14 <Ammlller> start with -D anyway 21:38:29 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:38:51 <Pug> aint there some kind of log thats made when u startup the server? 21:39:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> you cann add -d<number> and it'll tell you more about what it is doing 21:39:35 <Pug> ok, and wheres number for? 21:39:44 <Pug> what number, and how do you know what number you have to type 21:39:50 <Ammlller> debug level 21:39:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> the debug-level, the higher the number the more it talks 21:39:56 <Ammlller> start with 3 21:39:58 <Pug> root@h1378641:/opentdd# ./opentdd -D 21:39:58 <Pug> -bash: ./opentdd: No such file or directory 21:40:15 <Ammlller> openttd 21:40:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> again with the t/d mismatch 21:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> Two T and a D 21:40:38 <Ammlller> type opTAB 21:40:55 <Pug> i dont get it at all.. 21:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> TTD, not TDD 21:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> you don't happen to be dyslexic? 21:41:43 <perkrith> W ma 21:41:45 <perkrith> :p 21:41:45 <Pug> well, sorry for the type? 21:41:47 <perkrith> *i am 21:41:58 <perkrith> nick rebry 21:42:01 *** perkrith is now known as rebry 21:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> Pug: so, what does it do? 21:42:32 <Pug> its running now 21:42:42 <Pug> dbg: [net] [core] starting network... 21:42:42 <Pug> dbg: [net] [core] network online, multiplayer available 21:42:42 <Pug> dbg: [net] Detected broadcast addresses: 21:42:42 <Pug> dbg: [net] 0) 127.0.0.1 21:42:42 <Pug> dbg: [net] 1) 85.214.37.128 21:42:44 <Pug> Segmentation fault 21:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> hehe ;) 21:43:02 <Pug> but not as it should run i guess lol 21:43:16 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 21:43:48 <Ammlller> is there a special reason, you like to use nightly? 21:44:10 <Ammlller> 0.6.0 is quite new 21:44:23 <Pug> well, thats the only server version i could find 21:44:47 <glx> Pug: what rev are you using? 21:45:28 <Pug> OTTD-dedicated-linux-i686-nightly-r12792 21:46:15 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:46:36 <glx> ok happens for me too in windows 21:46:49 <glx> use the previous nightly for now 21:46:56 <Ammlller> or the stable 21:47:15 <Pug> where to find the server download page for normal server :-/ 21:47:17 <Ammlller> its in most popular software repos included 21:47:20 <Rubidium> oh... lol ;) happened with null too ;) 21:47:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> Pug: you can use the client as server, too 21:47:39 <Ammlller> Pug: do you use debian? 21:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> just start with -D 21:47:45 <Pug> ubuntu 21:47:55 <Pug> hm, ill check the client version 21:47:56 <Ammlller> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/openttd/openttd-0.6.0-1-i386.deb 21:48:02 <glx> Pug: you can use gui builds as dedicated 21:48:18 <Pug> ill delete everything, and start over again with the package from Ammlller 21:48:23 <dih> Ammlller: offereing a stable to someone who is after nightly?? 21:48:46 <Ammlller> no, he didn't find stable server versions 21:48:51 <Pug> i dont even know what nightly is 21:48:57 <dih> gnah 21:49:02 <Pug> it was the only server package i could find :P 21:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> wahh... map generation is taking forever... 21:49:16 <peter1138> the normal build will run as a server.. 21:49:59 <Zuu> Pug: You can touch openttd.cfg in the same directory as the binary if you don't want to have it in ~/.openttd/ --- but I guss I'm too late :p 21:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> creating map now for 15 minutes 21:50:19 <Fingon> 2048 x 2048 with Very High towns ? 21:50:20 <Pug> theres no opentdd.cfg -,- 21:50:29 <Pug> well, never mind this aint gonna work ill just let it go 21:50:44 <Pug> im not good at linux cmd's 21:50:46 <Ammlller> the cfg wasn't the issue for your seg fault 21:50:52 <Pug> so ill never get it to work -,- 21:50:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> Fingon: yes, but it's past towns already, it's currently struggling with very low (ECS) industries 21:50:58 <glx> look in ~/.openttd 21:51:12 <glx> after first run you should find a openttd.cfg there 21:51:15 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12796 /trunk/src/video/dedicated_v.cpp: -Fix: the dedicated blitter did segfault too, like the null blitter did. 21:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> 2267/2560 21:51:37 <dih> Pug: if you give up that early you are right - you will never manage it, nor will you ever get used to linux with that attitude 21:51:50 <Pug> well, its that 4 people are saying diffrent things 21:51:52 <Pug> so im losing it 21:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> Pug: "touch openttd.cfg" will create an empty file in the current directory 21:52:02 <dih> then get a grip 21:52:03 <Pug> its confusing me 21:52:07 <dih> you wanna get this to work? 21:52:09 <Ammlller> :-) 21:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> Pug: but it's not necessary 21:52:21 <Pug> ofcourse i want it, but i got adhd so im losing my temper rofl 21:52:23 <dih> then sit down and try everything 21:52:26 <Fingon> pull yourself together man! 21:52:28 <Fingon> :D 21:52:38 <dih> and dont give up 21:52:41 <Pug> oooh i want to crack my laptop screen so badly right now :D 21:52:47 <dih> and dont blame others for you losing your temper 21:52:59 <Pug> [23:51] <Pug> ofcourse i want it, but i got adhd so im losing my temper rofl <-- 21:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> yay, 2271 21:53:04 <Pug> whats that about blaming others? 21:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> by this speed, it's gonna take another half hour 21:53:22 <dih> [23:51] <Pug> well, its that 4 people are saying diffrent things 21:53:22 <dih> [23:51] <Pug> so im losing it 21:53:24 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549730E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:41 <Pug> yes, losing it as in dont know what to do 21:53:49 <Fingon> Eddi|zuHause3: guess it tries to space them equally apart - the towns have a serious slowdown near the end too because of that 21:54:00 <Pug> got 5 packages on my desktop now ^_^ 21:54:12 <dih> you wanna install a .deb? 21:54:18 <dih> or do you not care? 21:54:20 <Fingon> extract them all and try one by one :p 21:54:23 <Pug> thought it was for debian 21:54:49 <dih> for debian based os'es 21:54:50 <glx> better get the source and compile "./configure && make" is not hard 21:55:06 <dih> that is exactly where i was wanting to head to 21:55:16 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 21:55:32 <dih> the command you want is svn 21:55:34 <Pug> maybe its not hard, but it is when you type ./configure and it says -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory 21:55:37 <dih> if that is not installed 21:55:41 <dih> apt-get install svn 21:55:47 <dih> or apt-get install subversion 21:55:49 <Ammlller> omg 21:56:09 <Zuu> Pug: You must cd to the directory where you have unpacked openttd before you run ./configure 21:56:16 <dih> ./configure is part of the source tree 21:56:26 <Zuu> ./configure means that it will run the file configure in the current directory. 21:56:50 <Zuu> you can type "pwd" to get where in the file system you are currently. 21:57:25 <Pug> bleh this aint gonna work at all :-/ 21:57:43 <dih> well - if that is your attitude - i dont feel like helping either 21:57:56 <Pug> .. 21:58:02 <dih> that's your own silly fault 21:58:13 <Pug> so, what did i do to make you upset like that? 21:58:15 <Zuu> Pug: Take a sandwitch and get back to it 10 minutes later. 21:58:17 <Pug> didnt take much :-/ 21:58:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> i can understand him... 21:58:41 <dih> or wait 5 years until you are a wee bit more mature :-D 21:59:06 <Pug> what does not understanding linux cmd's do with being mature? 21:59:27 <dih> it's the lack of effort you want to put into it 21:59:32 <dih> the speed you give up at 21:59:43 <dih> the lack of faith you have in yourself 21:59:45 <Pug> i dont give up, only thing im saying is i cannot get it to work 21:59:58 <dih> then try doing what we say 22:00:05 <Zuu> Pug: The path to understanding linux is not short. You have to spend some time to learn how the filesystem works and how to use bash etc. 22:00:06 <Pug> i am 22:00:09 <Tefad> Pug: lessen your ignorance, do things slowly. it's not a race. 22:00:15 <Ammlller> why not just use distro builds? 22:00:24 <Rubidium> Ammlller: requires X 22:00:30 <Pug> i know basic linux, ive set up other games on linux 22:00:31 <ooo4tom_> wise words from Tefad 22:00:42 <Rubidium> Ammlller: requires running Debian Unstable 22:00:45 <dih> Pug: then that is good - we can work with that 22:00:50 <Rubidium> Ammlller: requires him configuring to use contrib 22:00:59 <Pug> its just that otdd works diffrent than other server packages 22:01:13 <dih> which is why you are here 22:01:17 <dih> which is a good thing 22:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> ./configure && make 22:01:21 <dih> so 22:01:25 <dih> install subversion 22:01:29 <Rubidium> better start at the complete beginning 22:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is like how exactly every other linux program works 22:01:36 <Pug> and im not some 14 year old that wants a server up and running in 5 minutes, or else go flame others for not helping 22:01:47 <Pug> i just type my expresions here ;) 22:01:53 <dih> currently i am not convinced of that 22:01:56 <Rubidium> come on, just stop the bitching around 22:01:57 <dih> :-) 22:02:07 <Rubidium> Pug: you know the different between being root and not being root? 22:02:20 <Pug> yes i know, but im always logged in on root 22:02:27 <Pug> but i can make a new user for ottd 22:02:41 <Ammlller> your server game runs all as root? 22:02:47 <glx> safer to do start dediceated servers as root 22:02:50 <Pug> no, there not 22:02:50 <dih> [00:02] <Pug> yes i know, but im always logged in on root <--- very bad 22:03:01 <dih> glx: you are nasty 22:03:02 <glx> s/do/not 22:03:06 <glx> typo ;) 22:03:07 <dih> oh 22:03:09 <Rubidium> Pug: what version of OpenTTD do you want to run? 22:03:15 <dih> LOL 22:03:15 <Pug> 0.6.0 22:03:17 <Pug> if posible 22:03:17 <Rubidium> Pug: are you afraid of compiling it yourself? 22:03:30 <Pug> Rubidium, no im not its just that i dont know how to compile 22:03:38 <Rubidium> okay, you use Debian, right? 22:03:39 <dih> we are trying to tell you 22:03:51 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:88e0:53a:250:2cff:fe07:ff2c] has joined #openttd 22:03:52 <Pug> but i prefer that one person helps me at the time, and its not that im not thankfull, cuz i am that many people are willing to help me 22:03:58 <Pug> but its confusing me allot 22:04:38 <Pug> lets start over: 22:04:40 <Rubidium> just ignore the others ;) 22:04:41 *** boyinblue0 [~Admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:04:46 <dih> hehe 22:04:49 <Pug> i want to run an ottd server on linux ubuntu 22:04:56 <Rubidium> okay 22:05:07 <Pug> now, i need the correct server package to start with 22:05:16 <Rubidium> you first need to make sure some required applications/tools are installed for compilation of OpenTTD 22:05:27 <Rubidium> this because there is no dedicated server packages for 0.6.0 22:05:42 <Rubidium> you do this by typing the following line (by me) as root 22:05:57 <Rubidium> apt-get install subversion g++ zlib1g-dev 22:06:14 <Pug> ok, worked 22:06:20 <dih> make? gcc? 22:06:53 <Rubidium> dih: maybe, but lets see that later 22:07:02 <Rubidium> Pug: it's done downloading and installing? 22:07:21 <Pug> it already the latest version it said :) 22:07:24 <SpComb> build-essential 22:07:27 <Rubidium> okay 22:08:09 <Ammlller> SpComb: you should also do what Rubidium tells 22:08:22 <Ammlller> 0.6.0 is missing at myottd.net :-P 22:08:23 <Rubidium> is it okay when we put openttd and such in <homedir>/openttd ? 22:08:43 <Pug> yes, i did that to so that would be good :) 22:08:55 <Rubidium> okay, now make sure you are in <homedir>/openttd 22:09:09 <Rubidium> then type: svn export svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.6.0 22:09:24 <Rubidium> this should show you a long list of files that are being downloaded 22:09:30 <dih> where <homedir> != /root :-P 22:09:38 <Pug> type it when in openttd folder? 22:09:47 <Rubidium> yes 22:09:47 <Pug> ah yes 22:09:53 <Pug> sorry, didnt see first line 22:09:57 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.105.74] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:58 <SpComb> Ammller: I added it last night 22:10:16 <Ammlller> ah, nice 22:10:18 <dih> SpComb: how about a remote console? 22:10:34 <Ammlller> dih: rcon works 22:10:37 <Pug> -bash: svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.6.0: No such file or directory 22:10:38 <Pug> hm 22:10:45 <SpComb> dih: and what does that mean? 22:10:46 <dih> i.e. a port one could connect to with say a client that forwards the entire console (in and out) 22:10:58 <SpComb> yes 22:11:01 <Rubidium> Pug: you didn't type the "svn export" in front of that 22:11:16 <Pug> root@h1378641:/opentdd# svn export svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.6.0 22:11:16 <Pug> -bash: svn: command not found 22:11:24 <dih> apt-get install svn 22:11:36 <peter1138> apt-get install openttd :o 22:11:39 <Pug> root@h1378641:/opentdd# apt-get install svn 22:11:39 <Pug> Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar 22:11:39 <Pug> Boom van vereisten wordt opgebouwd... Klaar 22:11:39 <Pug> E: Kon pakket svn niet vinden 22:11:45 <dih> ok 22:11:46 <Pug> E: Could not find package 22:11:47 <Rubidium> dih: svn doesn't exist as package 22:11:49 <svippy> :s Strange. 22:11:56 <dih> then do apt-cache pkgnames subversion 22:11:57 <Noldo> subversion 22:12:06 <svippy> I cannot find the svn checkout URL from the website. 22:12:07 <svippy> ;-; 22:12:08 <Pug> subversion-helper-scripts 22:12:08 <Pug> subversion 22:12:08 <Pug> subversion-tools 22:12:20 <dih> subversion and subversion-tools 22:12:38 <Rubidium> subversion contains svn 22:12:49 <Rubidium> so that would mean the subversion package isn't installed 22:13:01 <Rubidium> so "apt-get install subversion" is not executed 22:13:31 <Pug> litle spam now, 12 lines or so 22:13:33 <Pug> Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar 22:13:33 <Pug> Boom van vereisten wordt opgebouwd... Klaar 22:13:33 <Pug> U wilt waarschijnlijk 'apt-get -f install' uitvoeren om volgende op te lossen: 22:13:33 <Pug> De volgende pakketten hebben niet-voldane vereisten: 22:13:33 <Pug> libmysqlclient15-dev: Vereisten: libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.21-3ubuntu1) maar het zal niet geïnstalleerd worden 22:13:34 <Pug> subversion: Vereisten: libapr0 (>= 2.0.55) maar het zal niet geïnstalleerd worden 22:13:34 <Pug> Vereisten: libsvn0 (>= 1.3.0) maar het zal niet geïnstalleerd worden 22:13:36 <Pug> Vereisten: libsvn0 (= 1.3.1-3ubuntu1) maar het zal niet geïnstalleerd worden 22:13:36 <Pug> Vereisten: patch maar het zal niet geïnstalleerd worden 22:13:38 <Pug> E: Er zijn niet-voldane vereisten. U kunt best 'apt-get -f install' uitvoeren zonder pakketten op te geven, (of u kunt zelf een oplossing specificeren). 22:13:46 <Pug> bleh, its in dutch sorry for that ill translate 22:13:55 <dih> it sais 22:13:57 * SpComb is typing this on an XO laptop 22:14:00 <dih> apt-get -f install :-) 22:14:06 <Rubidium> apt-get install libapr0 libsvn0 subversion 22:14:22 <Pug> i cannot uninstall libmysqlclient 22:14:28 <Pug> its my mysql database for samp server :x 22:14:34 <SpComb> the keyboard on this thing is weird 22:14:34 <Rubidium> do not do what dih said because that will still leave a broken svn tool 22:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> i wouldn't recommend -f unless you really know what you are doing 22:14:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> not on any command 22:14:56 <Rubidium> Pug: type: "apt-get install libapr0 libsvn0 subversion" (without quotes) 22:15:06 <SpComb> normal ten-finger typing fails badly, you need to do two/four-finger pecking 22:15:13 <Rubidium> that should install subversion unless it thinks of more dependencies it needs 22:15:14 <Pug> same kind of error Rubidium 22:15:33 <dih> Eddi: hehe 22:15:54 <Rubidium> Pug: can you PM me the error message? 22:16:02 <Pug> sure 22:16:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> SpComb: when i type on a keyboard that i am not used to, i often get like "WTF?!?" because the keys are not where they are supposed to be 22:16:39 <SpComb> the xo is really weird in thatregard 22:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't understand this word "Vereisten" 22:17:30 <dih> Rubidium: that last message looks like an earlier update of the mysql client is causing issues 22:17:43 <SpComb> the keys are so small and close to eachother, and the keys on the right are special symbols 22:18:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> from the context i'd say something like "requirement" 22:18:58 <Fingon> idd Eddi|zuHause3 22:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i don't understand it, it troubles me... 22:19:34 <Fingon> "Er zijn niet-voldane vereisten" = some requirements were not met 22:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> usually there is a close german equivalent, but i can't find it 22:19:47 <dih> looks pretty familiar :-D 22:20:15 <Noldo> dependency? 22:20:29 <Noldo> this is why only english error messages are any good 22:20:46 <dih> yes... where is ln :-P 22:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> but "dependency" is "AbhÀngigkeit", it looks nothing close to "Vereisten" 22:21:07 *** Pug [~pug@iamgod.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 22:21:17 <Ammlller> EXPORT LANG=C 22:21:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> LC_ALL=C 22:21:43 <Fingon> guess the dutch translation is just bad 22:21:47 <Fingon> happens a lot 22:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's not about the translation, i cannot judge that ;) 22:22:31 <dih> Eddi: http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/030917.html 22:22:44 <dih> or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/041202.html 22:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> dih: have i mentioned that they are not funny? 22:23:39 <dih> they are.... 22:23:43 <dih> they are awsome 22:24:51 *** TB [~css@81.171.98.98] has joined #openttd 22:24:56 <TB> WHAT?! tt-forums isn't working! 22:25:01 <TB> who is responsible for that?! 22:25:09 <Sacro> TB: *points at orudge* 22:25:09 <dih> hey hey there TB 22:25:15 <TB> really, outrageous 22:25:19 <Sacro> oh he is 22:25:24 <Sacro> he did post a warning 22:25:28 <TB> orudge: what did you do? 22:25:30 <TB> insane! 22:25:31 <dih> Eddi|zuHause3: how about this one http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/030502.html 22:25:35 <Sacro> 23:05 <@orudge> Forums going down for maintenance 22:25:42 <TB> but it is just 22:25 here! 22:25:50 *** ooo4tom_ [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:25:54 <Sacro> TB: then they'll go down in 30 misn 22:26:02 <TB> bvut I can't reach it NOW! 22:26:03 <TB> I need it 22:26:05 <TB> my life depends on it! 22:26:10 <Sacro> TB: pfft 22:26:20 <Sacro> orudge: i think TB left his insulin in the forums 22:26:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> dih: nope... 22:26:32 <dih> gnah 22:26:37 <dih> you lack a sense of humor 22:26:39 <TB> I did 22:26:40 <TB> it sucks 22:26:54 <Sacro> insulin that sucks? 22:26:58 <Sacro> was it made my microsoft? 22:27:06 <dih> ^^ 22:27:18 <TB> YES! 22:27:20 <TB> I HATE YOU SACRO! 22:27:23 <TB> yes, it works again 22:27:26 <TB> now my life continues 22:27:27 <TB> bye! 22:27:29 *** TB [~css@81.171.98.98] has left #openttd [] 22:27:45 <orudge> Forums are back 22:27:54 <Sacro> orudge: he's gone to get it 22:29:16 <orudge> he's gone to get what, precisely? 22:29:25 <Sacro> orudge: i think he left his insulin on the forums or something 22:29:31 <Sacro> he seemed to be panicing 22:30:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C159.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:14 <orudge> hmm 22:30:18 <orudge> server going down again 22:30:21 <orudge> seems there may be a hardware issue 22:30:45 <dih> nasty 22:31:14 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1C4.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:33:22 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 22:33:27 <ooo4tom> quick one !! 22:33:35 <ooo4tom> has the forums, gone down ? 22:33:44 <orudge> yes 22:33:47 <orudge> for maintenance 22:33:50 <orudge> as was advertised in the News forum ;) 22:33:56 <dih> for all the sweeds: http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/030210.html 22:34:36 <ooo4tom> oh, lol dont visted them forum, Orudge thanks for the input :D 22:34:53 <Sacro> orudge: are you sure? 22:34:53 <orudge> the category is entitled "Read These First" :P 22:34:57 <Sacro> i didn't read that post 22:35:00 * Sacro goes to look for it 22:35:05 <orudge> I have the link 22:35:09 <orudge> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&p=683473#p683473 22:35:09 <orudge> :P 22:35:24 * Sacro waits... 22:35:45 <ooo4tom> not loading :( oh wait, forums are down lol 22:36:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36:56 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:08 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:34 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 22:41:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 22:41:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 22:45:11 <orudge> Forums are back 22:45:14 <orudge> if anyone notices any problems, let me know 22:50:00 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:50:04 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:50:36 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 22:52:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bjarni * r12797 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: [autoreplace] moved wagon removal to a function of it's own 22:56:11 *** boyinblue0 [~Admin@5ac85a9c.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 22:56:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: ITS 22:58:01 <Rubidium> Sacro: its 22:59:38 <Sacro> Rubidium: pfft 22:59:42 <Sacro> god >< 22:59:51 <Sacro> this programming book has some major errors 23:01:13 <Rubidium> a Microsoft book, ain't it? 23:02:23 <Sacro> well, C# and XNA 23:02:46 <Sacro> it already told me that if you use 80% of the width and 80% of the height on screen you get 80% of the area 23:02:58 <Sacro> which is kinda... not true 23:03:13 <Rubidium> Microsoft books are notorious for containing loads and loads of errors 23:03:27 <Rubidium> because the enormous pressure to release the book quickly 23:03:38 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-188-118.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:03:42 <glx> even msdn contains errors ;) 23:03:50 <Rubidium> and make then in enormous amounts to keep it cheap 23:03:54 <glx> or hidden features 23:03:55 <Sacro> also pow(x, y) Returns xy. 23:03:59 <Sacro> which i doubt 23:04:56 <Rubidium> as a result of that there will be only one 'version' of the book because a revised would mean they have to trash they stock of the book 23:05:35 <Sacro> yup 23:06:28 <Rubidium> and when the stock is sold, they release a new version of the language and the book gets written from scratch again 23:06:40 <Rubidium> (rinse'n'repeat) 23:07:17 <glx> yes they are good for that :) 23:07:20 <stillunk1own> So you avoid MS books like a plague? 23:07:44 <glx> why buy MS books when you can get all useful info from msdn? 23:08:21 <Sacro> and thepiratebay 23:08:22 <Rubidium> wrong.., 23:08:35 <Rubidium> why buy MS books when you can get the same errors from msdn ;) 23:09:06 <glx> well at least there are more chances for an "update" in msdn :P 23:11:24 <Bjarni> oh crap 23:11:29 <Sacro> Bjarni: ? 23:11:46 <Bjarni> I put a great effort into improving autoreplace and what happens..... 23:11:48 <Bjarni> people ignore it 23:11:49 <Rubidium> his chances in the wagon removal code got wiped out when he synced 23:12:04 <Rubidium> *changes* 23:12:25 <Bjarni> except for Sacro who points out one single wrong char in a quickly written commit message 23:12:49 <Rubidium> Bjarni: people keep ignoring my commits too 23:13:02 *** lolEee [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:08 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:08 <Sacro> haha :P 23:13:11 * Sacro pops lolEee 23:13:29 <Rubidium> what flavour? 23:13:51 <Bjarni> now if you all act like you should then I might continue and I might even tell what I have working on my HD 23:14:39 <Sacro> Bjarni: 3 girls 1 cup? 23:14:44 <Bjarni> we need to go back to the days where people in this channel got excited when they saw CIA messages 23:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: if it comforts you, i was like "oh great, but i am really too busy right now to answer" 23:14:53 <Sacro> Bjarni: me too 23:14:58 <Sacro> i'm watching Pokémon on youtube 23:15:05 <glx> Sacro: bad idea 23:15:12 <Rubidium> while having a lolEee in his mouth 23:15:25 <lolEee> hah 23:15:29 <Bjarni> yeah watching Pokémon is always a bad idea 23:15:57 * bowman is appropriately excited about whatever it was :) 23:16:02 <glx> I meant his previous question 23:16:47 <Sacro> glx: haha 23:17:13 <glx> unless you want to get a ban 23:17:22 <Sacro> nope :p 23:19:21 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12798 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Feature: Add some support for NewGRF station animation. (Thanks to mart3p for samples and fixes) 23:19:31 <Rubidium> boring ;) 23:19:38 <peter1138> tedious 23:19:40 <glx> not criptic enough 23:19:54 <peter1138> and "some support" is my disclaimer for "it may or may not work right" 23:20:28 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 23:20:29 <peter1138> cryptic schmyptic 23:21:12 <peter1138> bah, i need jack and pulseaudio to get along 23:22:20 <Sacro> peter1138: do they not? 23:22:23 <Sacro> why do you need jack? 23:23:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... the "daylength affects X" settings are reversed 23:23:50 <Belugas> #Neil And Jack And Me 23:23:58 <peter1138> Sacro: real time audio stuff 23:24:03 <Belugas> #absolute lovers absolute lovers.. 23:24:07 <Sacro> peter1138: ooh 23:24:54 <peter1138> jack is too complicated for basic desktop sound 23:25:37 <Sacro> yeah 23:29:35 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has joined #openttd 23:34:51 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12799 /trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp: -Fix (r12798): Empty for-loop warnings from gcc 4.3+ 23:35:26 <Ammlller> oh 23:35:44 <Ammlller> worth to compile current trunk :-) 23:35:53 <peter1138> no 23:35:55 <peter1138> it's bed time 23:36:01 <Ammlller> :-) 23:36:16 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:35 <ooo4tom> soft lol 23:44:32 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.101.181] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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