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00:01:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.25] has joined #openttd 00:07:34 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.190.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:35 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.161.203] has joined #openttd 00:11:07 *** Rob [~chatzilla@216.126.126.46] has joined #openttd 00:11:11 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-159-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:11:39 *** Rob is now known as Guest311 00:11:44 *** Guest311 is now known as YukonRob 00:12:08 *** YukonRob [~chatzilla@216.126.126.46] has quit [] 00:15:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:50 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-173-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:50 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:17:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.183.18] has joined #openttd 00:23:24 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.161.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:40 *** Mido [~chatzilla@H152.C192.cci.switchworks.net] has joined #openttd 00:25:53 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.169.129] has joined #openttd 00:28:35 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13217 /trunk/src/ai/default/default.cpp: -Fix: old AI was building small airports in years when they were not available in original game, causing small planes and helis everywhere 00:32:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.183.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.187.143] has joined #openttd 00:33:39 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76EC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:47 <Mido> is it possible to make the AI less....retarded? 00:35:10 <SmatZ> yes 00:35:14 <SmatZ> sure it is possible 00:35:35 <SmatZ> there are bugfixes 00:35:46 <SmatZ> but people keep complaining 00:35:54 <SmatZ> I think the effort is not worth it :-P 00:36:12 <SmatZ> NoAI is the way to go 00:36:29 <murr4y> you openttd developers are my heroes 00:36:31 <Mido> but then theres no competition...no challenge 00:36:39 <murr4y> if it weren't for you i wouldn't be able to play this great game 00:36:45 <SmatZ> thanks murr4y :) 00:36:46 <murr4y> THANK YOU 00:37:12 <murr4y> and you're doing a great job on the ai 00:37:19 <SmatZ> hehe :-) 00:37:20 <murr4y> compare it to the original chris sawyer ai :D 00:37:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1197.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 00:37:40 <Mido> i never played the original 00:37:42 <Mido> heh. 00:37:57 <Mido> i suppose that makes me a bit biases 00:38:00 <Mido> *biased 00:38:07 <Mido> apparently i cant spell either 00:39:17 <Mido> honestly though what the game needs most is more popularity...theres always too few people on multiplayer 00:39:59 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.169.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:04 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77070.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:44 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.174.95] has joined #openttd 00:42:29 <Touqen> I think Chris Sawyer deserves some credit considering the amount of horsepower he was working with. 00:42:37 <Touqen> In assembly... 00:42:57 <SmatZ> I think everybody admires his work 00:43:08 <SmatZ> and he is mentioned in game at several places 00:43:28 <SmatZ> and AI was a bit more effective in TTD 00:43:32 <Mido> well...his latest game isnt exactly all that popular... 00:44:03 <Touqen> Which was that? 00:44:06 <SmatZ> now, human players have all advantages - joining stations, presignals, longer trains, .... 00:44:21 <SmatZ> building on slopes, ... 00:44:41 <SmatZ> so it is harder for old AI to compete 00:45:59 *** Lachie [~whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:22 <SmatZ> also, as Rubidium (I think) mentioned, AI doesn't really like "smoother" terrain generated by TGP 00:46:55 <SmatZ> the game has changed a lot, but AI hasn't ... that much 00:47:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.187.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.161.176] has joined #openttd 00:52:15 <SmatZ> I think RCT series was/is popular :) 00:52:41 <SmatZ> also Locomotion... 00:52:51 <SmatZ> but I like TTD (and TTO ;) the most 00:52:58 <Mido> <Touqen> Which was that? 00:53:04 <Mido> Chris Sawyers Locomotion 00:53:50 <Touqen> Oh. 00:54:07 <Touqen> Locomotion is just akward to use. 00:54:48 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A164.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:49 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.174.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:55 <Mido> Chris should join the OTTD team 00:54:56 <Mido> heh. 00:55:02 <Mido> ah, if only... 00:56:16 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.180.100] has joined #openttd 00:57:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-102-138.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:59:25 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:55 <Frostregen> hi 01:00:30 <SmatZ> hello 01:00:33 <Frostregen> is there an equivalent to openttd.cfg: [win32]fullscreen_bpp = 32/8 under linux? 01:00:49 <Frostregen> or do i have to use the commandline parameter? 01:01:27 <SmatZ> it won't change anything 01:01:44 <SmatZ> it depends on what is SDL running above 01:02:12 <SmatZ> if you have 32bit bpp in X, then you will run openttd rendered for 32bpp display 01:02:13 <Frostregen> ok, so i need to start x with 8/32 bit depth? 01:02:16 <Frostregen> ok 01:02:19 <Frostregen> thx 01:02:21 <SmatZ> I think it won't help 01:02:27 <SmatZ> regarding performance... 01:02:32 <Frostregen> in windows it was a huge difference 01:02:44 <Frostregen> pallette anim versus tile update 01:02:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.161.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:54 <SmatZ> I am not sure if SDL supports hardware palette animation 01:03:03 <SmatZ> you can try though 01:03:32 <Frostregen> i think i saw a line in my xorg.log 01:03:38 <Frostregen> mom 01:04:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.167.92] has joined #openttd 01:04:49 <Frostregen> ok, not ;) 01:04:55 <SmatZ> :) 01:04:57 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 01:05:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 01:10:21 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.180.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:47 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.164.71] has joined #openttd 01:12:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:57 <Frostregen> do you know any 2D benchmark utility for plain x? 01:13:26 <Sacro> hmm 01:13:40 <Frostregen> because i have no idea what to expect from this machine 01:13:40 <Sacro> i only know glxgears 01:13:40 <Sacro> or compiz 01:13:41 <SmatZ> hehe, same here :) 01:13:58 <Sacro> hmm, the cogs don't move 01:14:07 <Sacro> :\ 01:14:08 <Frostregen> lol 01:14:17 <Sacro> but am getting 85-9500 fps 01:14:26 <Frostregen> quite a range 01:14:47 <Sacro> 8500 - 9500 01:14:49 <Sacro> for those pedants 01:14:52 <Frostregen> compiz does look like a 3D desktop? 01:14:57 <Sacro> yes it does 01:15:16 <Frostregen> ah, just misunderstood you 01:15:33 <Frostregen> i don't expect 3D hardware accel to work on this machine 01:15:44 <Sacro> what card? 01:15:46 <Frostregen> so i need a plain 2D bench 01:15:48 <Frostregen> uhm 01:15:56 <Frostregen> unichrome pro igp 01:16:15 <Sacro> ouch 01:16:23 <Sacro> glxgears will bench 01:18:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.167.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:21 <Sacro> ah well, bedtiem 01:18:45 <Frostregen> 760 fps :D 01:18:50 <Frostregen> gn 01:18:50 <SmatZ> there can be sdl benchmark somewhere... 01:18:51 <Sacro> not bad a t all 01:18:53 <SmatZ> night Sacro 01:19:20 <SmatZ> yeah, you test how fast your CPU can render glxgears :) 01:19:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.176.28] has joined #openttd 01:19:43 <Frostregen> is there some way to check if it is using hw accell? 01:20:41 <SmatZ> there is, but I forgot it 01:20:58 <Frostregen> -info 01:21:22 <Frostregen> looks like mesa-gl 01:22:05 <Frostregen> ok, thx so far :) 01:22:15 <Sacro> glxinfo 01:22:20 <Sacro> glxinfo | grep dri 01:22:21 <Sacro> i think 01:22:36 <Sacro> no 01:22:42 <Sacro> glxinfo | grep direct 01:22:58 <Frostregen> it is the third line anyway 01:23:03 <Frostregen> direct rendering: YES 01:23:15 <Sacro> X connection to localhost:11.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). 01:23:19 <Sacro> well that failed 01:23:37 <Frostregen> quite interesting 01:23:54 <Frostregen> everywhere i read about it, they did not get hw accell to work with this board 01:24:23 <Frostregen> still openttd is quite sluggish 01:24:52 <SmatZ> Frostregen: did you disable animation? 01:25:14 <Frostregen> nope, just default 01:25:30 <SmatZ> disabling Full animation helps a lot 01:25:49 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.164.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:55 <Frostregen> it is mostly scrolling which does not feel smooth 01:26:09 <Frostregen> i try it with 8bpp first...mom 01:26:48 <Sacro> argh, tired, sleep 01:26:59 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.164.72] has joined #openttd 01:27:04 <SmatZ> night Sacro 01:27:14 *** glx|away is now known as glx 01:30:06 <Frostregen> ok, disabled full animation makes it smooth 01:30:13 <Frostregen> 8bpp does nothing 01:31:29 <Frostregen> do you think i have to disable full animation with a via c7-d 1,5GHz cpu? 01:31:43 <Frostregen> just for smooth scrolling, on an empty map? 01:31:47 <Belugas> Sacro, i fixed the tabs in http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37669&p=692661#p692661 01:32:00 <Belugas> hope you're happy now :D 01:32:11 <SmatZ> Frostregen: it depends how much water in the map is 01:32:23 <SmatZ> water animation takes most of the time 01:32:37 <Belugas> and i even added the link to download SF for this poor little tb2571989 01:32:38 <SmatZ> I play with animation disabled on a 4600+... 01:32:54 <Frostregen> really?? 01:33:00 <Frostregen> ok... 01:33:05 <SmatZ> Belugas: :-) 01:33:10 <SmatZ> Sacro's gone 01:33:10 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493F143.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 01:33:21 <Belugas> bahh.... 01:33:31 <Belugas> i always play without animation 01:33:47 <Belugas> on my 1.35, evey cpu cycle counts 01:33:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.176.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:51 <glx> else fast forward is not fast 01:33:59 * SmatZ thinks about removing animation from OTTD as no devs uses it :-P 01:34:01 <SmatZ> -s 01:34:06 <Frostregen> lol 01:34:07 <SmatZ> things 01:34:09 <SmatZ> omg 01:34:12 <SmatZ> thinks 01:34:17 * SmatZ <-- shame 01:34:19 <Frostregen> just :x 01:34:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.184.20] has joined #openttd 01:36:47 <Frostregen> hm, openttd uses 50% cpu, X 30, and something unrelated the rest 01:37:03 <Belugas> welcome back, glx :) 01:37:19 <glx> was playing :) 01:37:27 <Belugas> o_O 01:37:31 <glx> not openttd 01:37:37 * Belugas thinks he'll do that, for once... 01:38:01 <Belugas> i have this dvd of myst IV awaiting me since eons... 01:38:21 <glx> hehe 01:38:37 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.164.72] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:39 <SmatZ> :) 01:40:27 <Belugas> just finishing a last round of checking on airport first... 01:40:32 <Belugas> addicted I am 01:40:55 <SmatZ> hehe 01:42:15 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.175.62] has joined #openttd 01:45:35 <Belugas> well... it works fine 01:45:37 <Belugas> so... 01:46:47 <Belugas> damned.. when to think of it, ther's more to add... 01:46:49 <Belugas> gaaaa 01:47:21 <SmatZ> :-P 01:49:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.184.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.191.133] has joined #openttd 01:50:26 <SmatZ> nn 01:50:29 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:52:15 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 01:57:01 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.175.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:28 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-159-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 02:09:02 <Mido> can someone explain entry and exit symbols? 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08:39:33 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37ec0.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 08:42:41 <planetmaker> hehe^^ 08:48:17 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause2: fucking pwned 08:48:18 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-147-120-58.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:48:21 <Gekz> lol 08:48:31 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57C62.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:52:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13218 /branches/noai/ (bin/ai/regression/run.sh src/ai/api/ai_log.cpp): [NoAI] -Add: added a [S/E/P/W/I] in front of DEBUG messages from AILog, to indicate the level of message (the one that goes to the stdout) (request by Mchl) 09:01:14 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11FF4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:12:11 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:39 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:18:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13219 /branches/noai/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AICargo.HasCargoClass(), which allows you to find, say, passenger-based cargo (tnx kuifware for the pointer!) 09:25:42 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46af1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:25:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:32:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:22 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:32:23 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:35:37 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11FF4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 09:40:11 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 09:43:44 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.29] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:46:52 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13220 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: [NoAI] -Fix r13219: it has been a while, but I forgot to commit the regression update ;) 09:52:53 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 09:54:09 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:06 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 10:11:56 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.29] has joined #openttd 10:32:39 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37ec0.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:45:40 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:50:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E64A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:58:13 *** Boyinblue00 [~admin@5ac37e90.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:01:23 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37ec0.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:13 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 11:14:15 *** Boyinblue00 [~admin@5ac37e90.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F19BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:18:21 *** snorre [~snorre@84.53.58.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:00 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a04.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:37:56 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.29] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:39:48 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:40:16 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:41 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 12:06:14 <SmatZ> wow gcc 4.2.4 12:06:25 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:16 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 12:18:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:59 <peter1138> wow? 12:20:06 <hylje> WoW 12:20:13 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:20:15 <hylje> new compilers are so exciting 12:20:17 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-137-201.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:21:05 <peter1138> ahhh 12:21:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:07 <SmatZ> :-) 12:22:25 <SmatZ> openttd has much nicer changelog :) 12:22:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80816.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:23:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:24:18 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:48 <planetmaker> hehe 12:26:31 *** snorre [~snorre@84.53.58.1] has joined #openttd 12:26:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:27:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-137-201.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:38:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:22 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:23 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:44:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 12:46:25 <peter1138> hey 12:46:59 <SmatZ> hello 12:50:11 <Lakie> Afternoon 12:51:52 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 12:52:15 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:55:44 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Appeal_to_authority&oldid=210699360#Examples_of_appeals_to_authority number 7 12:56:34 <hylje> perfectly valid 12:56:57 <SmatZ> :-) 12:57:18 <SmatZ> Itâs On The Internet, It Must Be True! 12:58:52 <planetmaker> loool :) 13:02:07 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:56 <Mchl> I'm sensing a logical problem 13:08:03 <Mchl> should i believe it, or not? 13:09:15 <SmatZ> no 13:14:04 <Mchl> just, because someone on internet told me not to? :P 13:15:09 <SmatZ> [14:57:19] <SmatZ> Itâs On The Internet, It Must Be True! 13:17:27 <Mchl> see? I can neither believe you or not. 13:17:32 <planetmaker> Michl: it's no logical problem... - you just need an additional source and pure logic :) 13:18:04 <Mchl> yep, additional source... varifiable I should add 13:18:28 <planetmaker> ^^ 13:19:11 <SmatZ> ask wikipedia :) 13:19:32 <Mchl> and if you need additional source, ask google :D 13:20:06 <SmatZ> :-) 13:21:37 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04236a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:21:44 <Roujin> cheers 13:22:16 <SmatZ> hello 13:22:31 <Mchl> hello 13:25:05 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-64-23.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:49 <Bjarni> can anybody explain to me why somebody decided to port allegro to OSX for PPC only? 13:27:33 <Bjarni> and updated the port for 10.5 (read: when all new macs are x86 based) 13:30:23 <Roujin> Belugas: are you there? 13:30:30 * Bjarni wonders what will happen if he downloads the newest source tarball and compiles himself 13:31:35 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You will never be the man your mother was!] 13:32:51 * Mchl reads http://alleg.sourceforge.net/latestdocs/en/build/macosx.html 13:34:46 <Bjarni> surprisingly configure sets the CPU to pentium and then compilation fails because pentium is unknown 13:36:50 * Bjarni declares the source screwed 13:40:03 * Bjarni tries the experimental version instead 13:40:35 <Bjarni> but it appears silly if the experimental version works and the stable dies right away 13:42:26 <Bjarni> interesting 13:42:32 <Bjarni> they removed configure 13:42:42 <Bjarni> and the makefile appears to be borked :s 13:43:14 * Bjarni discards allegro 13:43:35 <Bjarni> if it's that hard for them to get it to just compile then I don't trust the code itself :P 13:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... this german dub is... polish... 13:44:34 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-023-072.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:46:05 <Mchl> Eddi: ?? 13:46:26 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-023-072.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:46:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> :p 13:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> what i mean... i have a movie, which is dubbed... but really badly... like one actor speaking all persons 13:47:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@87.224.34.58] has joined #openttd 13:47:48 <Mchl> i see :) 13:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> thus, like a polish dub ;) 13:48:18 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-137-201.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:44 <SmatZ> hehe 13:48:47 <SmatZ> I like this 13:48:51 <SmatZ> it sounds funny 13:48:53 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 13:48:59 <SmatZ> also, that neutral voice 13:49:02 <SmatZ> with no excitement 13:49:23 <Mchl> yup... pretty much like polish dubs :P 13:50:00 <Mchl> though there have been some really well dubbed movies recently 13:50:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, they do actually have a male and a female person in this movie ;) 13:50:24 <Mchl> now that's one level above polish dubs 13:50:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah... but it's still far below any kind of "bad" german dub ;) 13:51:04 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-30-148.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:51:16 <Mchl> well... I remember watching some german dubbed movies whan I was a kid 13:51:47 <Mchl> David Hasselhoff in Knight Rider for example 13:51:59 <Mchl> extremely funny 13:52:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you can't do much wrong when synchronizing KITT :p 13:52:32 <SmatZ> :-) 13:53:23 <Mchl> still... german speaking Hasselhoff... lol... it somehow desn't fit, even if his surname fits... 13:53:43 <Touqen> Don't hassle the hoff! 13:53:51 <Mchl> ;) 13:54:13 <Ammler> K.I.T.T was cool :-) 13:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it does fit if you are 7 years old and have never heard any other language before 13:54:36 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 13:54:38 <Mchl> yeah, probably 13:54:42 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> ... like one actor speaking all persons <-- this is how Danish TV decided on dubbing all Astrid Lindgren TV series >_< 13:54:50 <Bjarni> it sounds so bad 13:55:01 <Mchl> but it is so cheap 13:55:01 <Bjarni> and you can hear Swedish in the background 13:55:21 <Belugas> Roujin, now i am 13:55:21 <Sacro> bork bork bork 13:55:25 <Bjarni> and I'm like "why dub Swedish into Danish when you do it so badly?" 13:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, temperature suddenly dropped by 5 degrees and it's starting to rain 13:56:02 <Roujin> hi there belugas.. you remember the editor lighthouse/desert issue i mentioned yesterday? 13:56:14 <Bjarni> and to make it perfect they selected semi famous people to dub (keeping the price down remember) and they picked people who I don't like 13:56:49 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: do you want to switch weather? Here it's sunny 13:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have the internets, get the original :p 13:56:53 <Bjarni> and we lack water 13:57:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> it was sunny, 30 seconds ago 13:57:14 <Roujin> I made a patch to seperate it into two buttons which are at the same position, and the appropriate one is shown, the other hidden (i think this is the right way to do it..) 13:57:36 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> you have the internets, get the original :p <-- alternatively I just point the TV antenna towards Sweden 13:57:43 <Roujin> but should they keep the same hotkey? 13:57:55 <Bjarni> which is already done 13:57:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> that'd not do any good with a sattelite dish :p 13:58:32 <Belugas> Roujin, not really... yesterday has been buzy as hell. care to refresh my memory? 13:58:43 <Roujin> sure.. 13:58:56 <Bjarni> if I get high enough (like if I cut all trees and is on the roof) then I can see the Swedish transmitter in the horizon. The signal quality of a normal antenna is... good enough for me ;) 13:59:20 <Roujin> editor -> landscaping window has a button that is "overloaded" for tropical climate 13:59:40 <Belugas> strange to read that from Bjarni: "If I get high enough..." 13:59:44 <Roujin> normally it is used for placing lighthouses, in tropic it places desert area 13:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> you could get up a hi... wait... forget i said anything :p 13:59:50 <Bjarni> in fact I have more Swedish than Danish channels and less noise on the Swedish channels 13:59:58 <Bjarni> sounds like I'm in Sweden or something :s 14:00:02 <Belugas> oh... yeah, Roujin, i remember. so? waht about it? 14:00:13 <Bjarni> lol @ Belugas 14:00:27 <Bjarni> not that kind of high :P 14:00:31 <SmatZ> :-D 14:00:42 <Roujin> well, i've split them up in my patch, into seperate widgets, of which one is shown, the other hidden 14:01:02 <Bjarni> getting that kind of high while you are on the roof sounds somewhat unsafe 14:01:39 <Roujin> now i wonder how i should do the hotkeys: up until now, both functions have 'U' as hotkey - which is logical since it's only one button. 14:02:27 <Roujin> should I keep the same hotkey for the both of them, assuming that it will never be possible to have lighthouses and desert in one climate? 14:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a dangerous assumption, if you can easily avoid it 14:03:21 <Roujin> or seperate them to 'U' and 'I', of which one will be defunct in either one of tropic/other climates 14:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean, you don't have to actively prepare everything for multi-climate worlds, but you don't have to actively work against it either 14:03:55 <hylje> Bjarni: is it news that danes are lamers 14:04:04 <Bjarni> o_O 14:04:05 <hylje> there's even a lolland in there 14:04:14 <Bjarni> lol 14:04:15 <Roujin> current hotkeys for that window are 'D' for dynamite, then QWERTYUI for the rest 14:04:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:47 <Bjarni> I have to remember that one :D 14:04:58 <Bjarni> since I know people living there 14:07:27 <Belugas> Roujin, you've created new guis?? 14:08:18 <Roujin> erm, I changed the existing gui a bit 14:08:20 <Belugas> by the way, i am trying to find a decent way, with the new class window system, to have hotkeys and widget numbers linked and automatically chosen whenever available 14:08:34 <Belugas> not sure how, but fiddling with the idea 14:08:44 <Roujin> I changed the one button that up until now is used for both lighthouse and desert, to two buttons 14:08:55 <Roujin> of which one is used for each fuction 14:09:16 <Belugas> Roujin, right now, i cannot "think" nor approve nor read intelligently 14:09:17 <Roujin> they have the same location, and the one not available in the current climate is hidden. 14:09:24 <Roujin> okay :D 14:09:35 <Belugas> but pm me your ideas, i'll try to get the time for them 14:15:47 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 14:16:26 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 14:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> hotkeys in the config file!! 14:18:06 <Belugas> bugger :S 14:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> NewCustomizableHotkeys!! 14:18:22 <Belugas> I HAD THAT IDEA BEFORE YA!! 14:18:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> NOWAI! 14:18:50 <Forked> shit.. 14:18:55 <Bjarni> please 14:18:55 <Forked> caps lock day again :) 14:18:56 <Bjarni> not here 14:18:58 <Rubidium> and Maedhros will have it implemented partly before you 14:19:02 <Bjarni> find a toilet instead 14:19:05 <Forked> but 14:19:07 <Forked> :( 14:19:52 <Bjarni> toilets aren't for buts, but for butts 14:22:27 <peter1138> hmm, i need to set up gutters to fill my waterbutt 14:23:30 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a04.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 14:24:11 <Belugas> go Maedhros go! 14:24:15 <Belugas> water butt? 14:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> different kind of butt :p 14:25:02 * Belugas is too insane for IRC today 14:25:07 * Belugas hides for a while 14:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> probably related to german "bottich", which would make it a tub/barrel kind of thing 14:28:34 <Roujin> in german, "butt" exists as well 14:28:39 <Roujin> but it means a kind of fish 14:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://dict.leo.org/?search=butt <- that is an awfull lot of completely unrelated meanings :p 14:29:10 <Roujin> there's even a book, named "der Butt" :P 14:29:13 <planetmaker> I wonder, was the maximum length of a line for ingame chat shortened? 14:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> a "Butt" is a main character in one of Grimms tales 14:30:21 <Bjarni> a "Butthead" is a main character is some MTV cartoon show 14:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> they did not derive that from the german meaning :p 14:30:53 <Bjarni> are you sure? 14:31:15 <Bjarni> I'm not going to try but I guess if we google for "Butt" then we will see only one meaning 14:31:52 <SmatZ> yeah, googlinf 14:32:08 <SmatZ> googling for images with butt brings expected results 14:33:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:13 <murr4y> like this? http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/18/mythbustedmz3.jpg 14:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> that can never be safe for work :p 14:34:05 <Bjarni> I'm not going to click that one 14:34:16 <murr4y> it's not :D 14:34:23 <SmatZ> :-D 14:34:56 *** [1]Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04236a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:13 <Bjarni> in a perfect world everything on the internet is safe for work 14:35:37 <murr4y> a perfect world cannot have an internet without porn! :O 14:35:39 <planetmaker> hehe. Desire and reality sometimes clash hard 14:36:01 <Bjarni> murr4y: you presume too much 14:36:14 <Bjarni> a perfect world might alter what is defined as safe for work 14:36:29 <Bjarni> but 14:36:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, if you cannot change one end, change the other end :p 14:36:43 <Bjarni> no porn might actually be an interesting way to go 14:36:48 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 14:37:33 <murr4y> :p 14:37:55 <Bjarni> in a perfect world that aren't any talking skulls 14:38:07 <Bjarni> because people don't do drugs 14:38:09 <murr4y> hey 14:38:33 <murr4y> are you insinuating that guybrush was on drugs during monkey island? 14:39:01 <Bjarni> he was on drugs in order to find monkey island in the first place 14:39:13 <Bjarni> he mixed stuff and then he had a blackout 14:39:20 <Bjarni> and there it was... Monkey Island 14:39:34 <Bjarni> sorry 14:39:41 <Bjarni> Monkey Island⢠14:39:47 <murr4y> rofl 14:39:53 <murr4y> but finding me wasn't him dreaming! 14:40:29 <Bjarni> no 14:40:33 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:37 <Bjarni> it were the guys at Lucasarts dreaming 14:40:55 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:41:39 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04236a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:01 *** [1]Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04236a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:49:32 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@p549F19BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:51:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> i remember my brother (who was like 7 or 8 back then) who wanted to have a 3rd part where you run around the theme park (from the end of part 2) :p 14:52:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... 14:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Orginaltitel: Monkey Island 2 - LeChuck's Revenge; Erschienen: 1991; Sprache: deutsch; Altersempfehlung: ab 16 (Fragt nicht wieso, wir wissen es auch nicht)" <- result from google 14:53:43 <murr4y> haha 14:56:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F19BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:28 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:58:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:23 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a04.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:58:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:00:58 <Bjarni> I guess 16 because it contains black magic and voodoo dolls 15:01:10 <Bjarni> and drunken pirates 15:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, part 1 is 12 15:01:54 <Belugas> wow... 15:02:07 <Belugas> Getting high, now, getting drunk! 15:02:09 <Belugas> What a day :D 15:02:22 <murr4y> yeah if i had a 15 year old son, now way if i'd let him play mi2 15:02:31 <Gekz> mi2? 15:02:33 <Gekz> oh 15:02:35 <Gekz> monkey island 15:02:39 <Gekz> stupid question 15:02:48 <murr4y> ;) 15:03:00 <murr4y> s/now/no/ 15:04:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i was like 12 or so ;) 15:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> and it did not hurt me a bit :p 15:04:45 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:02 <murr4y> well we all see how you ended up 15:05:29 <Gekz> lol pwned 15:06:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> it hardly couts as "pwned" if i provoked that exact answer :p 15:06:13 <murr4y> :D 15:07:55 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> and it did not hurt me a bit :p <-- you didn't notice what happened but the rest of us can tell 15:08:26 <Bjarni> now I know why it's 16 while the first one is 12 15:09:04 <Bjarni> ghosts gives a min age of 12 while rotting corpses gives a min age of 16 as they smell worse 15:09:17 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04236a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:19 <Bjarni> doorbell 15:09:24 <Bjarni> brb or bbl 15:09:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> but part 1 did have a rotting corpse 15:10:35 <Roujin> sorry for my sudden disappearance 15:10:49 <Roujin> my wlan decided not to work anymore suddenly 15:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.myvideo.de/watch/996416/Monkey_Island_2_LucasArts_Hotline <- lmao :p 15:11:43 <murr4y> haha i remember that 15:12:11 <murr4y> it's german :/ 15:12:22 <murr4y> after 5 years with learning german in school i still barely understand it :p 15:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it starts with: "don't try to call this number from germany" :p 15:15:15 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:15:15 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest1 15:15:15 *** SmatZ_ is now known as SmatZ 15:15:15 *** [1]Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04236a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:28 <[1]Roujin> something is seriously wrong with my pc right now >< 15:16:06 <murr4y> sounds like a bad case of windows :/ 15:16:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the second question is "where do all these stupid jokes come from?" - "we don't have anything to do with the german jokes. the translator had to come up with them on his own. rumor says he constantly cursed about the untranslatable english jokes" :p 15:17:12 <murr4y> hahaha 15:17:59 <hylje> the funniest joke ever 15:18:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:03 <Prof_Frink> Pfft 15:18:17 <Prof_Frink> Everyone *knows* the Germans have no sense of humour. 15:18:54 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04236a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:03 *** Guest1 [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> at some time i'll actually have to play these games in english 15:22:50 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:17 <[1]Roujin> Belugas: I've added the thing I was talking about earlier to flyspray. 15:23:51 <Belugas> hehe... 15:24:13 <Belugas> that is like calling over the phone to ask if i've received the email ! 15:24:14 <Belugas> lol 15:24:19 <Belugas> thanks :) 15:31:59 <peter1138> happens all the time :( 15:34:03 <Touqen> MONKEY! 15:34:09 <Touqen> :x 15:34:10 <Belugas> yeah... we cannot procrastinate quietly anymore... 15:34:25 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-159-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:04 <Touqen> I procastinate openly and with vigor. 15:35:10 <Touqen> I AM CURRENTLY PROCASTINATING! 15:35:26 <Touqen> Feel my procastiwrath! 15:38:26 <hylje> ! 15:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> "pro casting"... is that an <insert country> idol fan? 15:40:39 <peter1138> postgresqling 15:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> i tried that... it was the worst idea in my life! (well, almost) 15:47:42 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 15:48:45 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11FBE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:16 *** [1]Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04236a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:52 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11FBE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:52:02 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 15:52:11 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-98-227-99-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:50 <Touqen> Err.. I meant "procrastiwrath". 15:53:00 <Touqen> Damned fingers have betrayed me again. 15:56:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> punish them! 15:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> off with their heads! 15:57:41 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13221 /trunk/src/ai/default/default.cpp: -Fix (r8747): old AI failed to build oil rig routes 16:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/111996 16:09:11 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13222 /trunk/src/ (ai/default/default.cpp table/ai_rail.h): -Change: allow old AI building helistations and helidepots for oil rig routes 16:18:03 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.217.21.149] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:19:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13223 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_bridge.cpp ai_tunnel.cpp): [NoAI] -Fix (r13212): tunnels and bridges were not tram aware 16:23:49 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.217.21.149] has joined #openttd 16:25:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@87.224.34.58] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:41:43 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:43 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest7 16:41:43 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 16:42:39 *** Guest7 [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:23 *** edeca [~bored@beefy.two-pebbles.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:48:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:48:55 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest8 16:48:56 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:20 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-98-227-99-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 16:54:39 *** Guest8 [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:43 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 16:56:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host250-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:56:58 <Wolf01> hello 17:00:36 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has left #openttd [] 17:00:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:14 *** Zorn|afk [zorn@e177225137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:22:20 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest11 17:22:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:41 *** Guest11 [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:37 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:51 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:48:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:01 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:59:30 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:16:09 <murr4y> http://www.vimeo.com/173714 18:16:14 <murr4y> that would be a cool place to work 18:17:23 <murr4y> and the first girl is damn cute 18:17:35 <Mchl> freakin' Ubuntu 18:17:40 <Mchl> won't play these videos 18:17:40 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@90.217.21.149] has joined #openttd 18:18:21 <Belugas> yurk... a tie 18:18:38 * Mchl goes in serch of iMac 18:18:52 * Belugas would not work with a tie on a daily basis...no way... 18:19:17 <Sacro> she can come sit on my flagpole 18:19:37 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.217.21.149] has quit [Quit: GORDON'S ALIVE!] 18:19:37 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 18:20:34 *** egladil [~egladil@goth-gbg-109-143-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:31 *** egladil [~egladil@goth-gbg-109-143-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #openttd 18:24:27 *** egladil [~egladil@goth-gbg-109-143-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:02 *** egladil [~egladil@goth-gbg-109-143-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #openttd 18:25:38 <Belugas> 563 downloads of 0.6.1 rc2 for win32, and 1045 in total 18:25:40 <Belugas> not bad 18:26:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:28:06 *** egladil [~egladil@goth-gbg-109-143-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:22 <Touqen> Another X-Files movie?! 18:28:45 *** egladil [~egladil@goth-gbg-109-143-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #openttd 18:33:44 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:39:21 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 18:44:14 <Maedhros> i don't remember that guy ever speaking, but i always recognise him instantly when he leaves... 18:44:53 <Touqen> heh 18:44:59 <Touqen> I want to know what it is that he is talking about. 18:48:14 <Belugas> mmh... 18:48:16 <Belugas> not me 18:48:18 <Belugas> not really 18:48:33 <Belugas> not at all, in fact 18:48:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00ae25.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:10 <SmatZ> @seen a1270 18:50:10 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: a1270 was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 8 hours, 58 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: * a1270 had forgotten he was going to do that 18:50:46 <Mchl> I googled it. It's a comment to a movie on IMdB 18:51:05 <murr4y> copyright infringement! 18:51:27 <Mchl> Don't know if comments are copyrighted... And then it could be his own :P 18:53:45 <Touqen> Author: EVOL666 from St. John's Abortion Clinic <-- The person who posted the comment. 18:56:39 <Touqen> Apparently the comment was made about some weird 1972 japanese movie. 18:57:35 <Prof_Frink> Aaah, those crazy japs 18:57:42 <Prof_Frink> What will they think of next? 18:58:07 <Touqen> They've actually already thought of everything. 18:58:29 <Touqen> They keep their ideas locked up in a giant vault deep within Mt Fuji. 18:58:39 <Touqen> They pull them out periodically and share them with the world. 18:59:01 <Mchl> makes me wonder, if they do it randomly, or using some kind of system 19:07:08 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:11:44 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:18 <frosch123> having different keyboard layouts at home and at work is plain hell 19:15:04 <Bjarni> having one keyboardlayout at home, one at the lab and a 3rd one when I connect to the lab from home is a real pain 19:15:15 <Bjarni> specially because #1 and #3 are the same physical keyboard 19:17:41 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> What will they think of next? <--- today they broadcasted a recording of a flying fish 19:18:02 <Bjarni> you know one of those jumping fish from the Pacific Ocean 19:18:36 <Bjarni> it broke the known record for those fish to be jumping/flying in the air by 3 sec 19:18:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57C62.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:18:45 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:18:45 <Bjarni> so now the record is 45 sec outside the water 19:19:02 <Bjarni> what the next thing they will come up with... well I have no idea 19:19:35 <Prof_Frink> With any luck it'll be giant robots 19:20:10 <Bjarni> I saw some Japanese robots and androids on TV a few days ago 19:20:41 <Bjarni> they talked about a test where people had a brief moment to tell if an android was a human or an android 19:20:49 <Prof_Frink> Were they the size of skyscrapers, with miniguns, lasers and flamethrowers? 19:20:54 <Bjarni> when it moved more than 50% classified it as a human 19:21:04 <Bjarni> they were human sized 19:21:08 <Prof_Frink> Are you classified as human? 19:21:13 <Mchl> no fun 19:21:33 <Bjarni> otherwise they can't hide in the normal population until they activate their killer weapons 19:21:35 <Mchl> i want my personal EVA01 unit 19:21:40 <Bjarni> or hide again afterwards 19:22:19 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> Are you classified as human? <--- is your opinion of me so dim that you can even ask if I'm classified as something like that??? 19:22:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:22:44 <Prof_Frink> No, I expected you to complete the quote. 19:22:46 <Bjarni> but maybe that's how humans like to think 19:23:22 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: that would be a human quote, no doubt 19:23:27 <Bjarni> otherwise I would know it 19:23:52 <Mchl> maybe question should be: do you classify yourself as a human?... now I'd better don;t ask that myself, or I will go into infinite loop 19:24:27 <Bjarni> sometimes I end up being in loops 19:24:28 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Seriously, you don't know that quote? 19:24:32 <Bjarni> and repeat myself 19:24:43 <Bjarni> like I wake up every day 19:24:57 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: I have never seen it before 19:25:00 <Bjarni> but it sounds nice 19:25:09 <Bjarni> where is it from? 19:25:29 <Prof_Frink> The Fifth Element 19:25:51 <Prof_Frink> Bruce Willis' response is "Negative, I am a meat popsicle." 19:26:18 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 19:27:45 <Bjarni> The Fifth Element? 19:27:48 <Bjarni> never seen that one 19:28:19 <Touqen> You should watch it. 19:28:20 <Touqen> good movie. 19:28:34 <Touqen> It's kind of long though 19:28:47 <Bjarni> and I don't think I will watch Bruce Willis in the role of a meat popsicle 19:29:01 <Bjarni> sounds like a weird movie 19:29:08 <Touqen> It's sci fi. 19:29:24 <Bjarni> that not the same as it's supposed to be weird 19:29:35 <Touqen> It's got Milla Jovovich in it. 19:29:55 <Mchl> that's a good movie, I second that 19:30:01 <Mchl> worth seeing 19:30:07 <Prof_Frink> It's got Milla Jovovich wearing very little in it. 19:37:49 <peter1138> god yes 19:42:47 <Prof_Frink> Well, that's sorted one question 19:48:00 <peter1138> what? 19:56:20 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:40 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-159-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 20:07:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-42-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:13:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Maedhros> i don't remember that guy ever speaking, but i always recognise him instantly when he leaves... <- i do remember that he spoke, if only to explain his quitmessage, though :p 20:14:54 <ln> who? 20:15:21 <Touqen> a1270 20:21:53 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:29 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:27:51 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 20:27:52 <dragonhorseboy> hey 20:29:33 <Touqen> is for horsies 20:29:58 <hylje> ponies 20:30:05 <dragonhorseboy> very funny 20:30:09 <dragonhorseboy> so how're both of you? 20:30:26 <Sacro> ZOMG PONIES 20:31:00 <murr4y> http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg 20:31:16 <hylje> :< 20:31:41 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11FBE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:10 <Touqen> That reminds me to go look at icanhascheezeburger 20:34:15 <Sacro> !seen Bjarni 20:34:20 <Sacro> @seen Bjarni 20:34:20 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Bjarni> that not the same as it's supposed to be weird 20:39:54 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11FBE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 20:43:35 <Mark> evening 20:44:08 <Mark> imho the max. line length is way too short in the latest nightly 20:44:53 <Belugas> max line lenght... care to expand on the subject? 20:49:36 <Belugas> Mark? I'm talking to you. 20:49:38 <Belugas> ping! 20:50:44 <Mark> sorry 20:51:02 <Mark> the maximum amount of characters you can type on a single line in multiplayer 20:51:11 <Mark> .. is too low, imho 20:51:14 <Belugas> ha... that is better 20:51:18 <Mark> :) 20:51:19 <glx> limited by packet size I think 20:51:24 <Belugas> it has changed recently? 20:51:27 <Mark> it changed only recently 20:51:28 <Mark> yes 20:51:45 <Belugas> mmh 20:51:49 <Mark> it wasnt this low in r13032, it is in r13210 20:52:10 <Belugas> eeek... 20:52:15 <Belugas> 178 revisions to check :S 20:52:16 <glx> can you try to find when it happened? 20:52:28 <Mark> i'll try 20:58:39 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-152-123-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 21:05:11 <Mchl> r13042 does something to NetworkChatWindow 21:07:50 <Sacro> HAX 21:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i need something to eat 21:11:47 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.185] has joined #openttd 21:12:31 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:54 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 21:27:46 <Bjarni> Sacro: don't highlight me while I'm hiding 21:29:05 <Touqen> You could just not respond... 21:29:47 <Sacro> Bjarni: don't highlight me either 21:29:49 <Sacro> pfft 21:33:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro, Bjarni, you know deep down in your harts that you love each other... you sure act like it :p 21:34:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-89-155.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:34:40 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [now do what my heart wants me to do] 21:34:46 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:34:48 * Sacro cuddles Bjarni 21:34:56 <Bjarni> yikes 21:35:19 <Mchl> whoever localised my IRC client, screwed up his job 21:35:43 <Bjarni> heh 21:35:56 <Bjarni> like the English translation of Simutrans? 21:36:02 <Bjarni> it has German words in it 21:36:19 <Bjarni> the Danish translation has half the strings in German 21:36:21 <Mchl> nah... but it just said you were kicked by Sacro 21:36:30 <Bjarni> lol 21:36:59 <Mchl> well almost, because it also failed to use proper grammar 21:37:10 <Bjarni> well when I test Simutrans (yes I do that once in a while but not often) then I'm happy that I actually know German 21:37:56 <Bjarni> I was about to ask you what it said but that would be pointless 21:38:00 <Bjarni> I don't know Polish 21:38:07 <Mchl> :) 21:38:35 <Bjarni> which created a rather interesting situation last year 21:38:48 <Mchl> in general it failed at using passive voice properly 21:39:08 <Mchl> nah... that's not passive voice... 21:39:14 <Bjarni> some Polish workers dug up the sidewalk outside my house and those workers knew only Polish 21:39:27 <Bjarni> which made communication a bit tricky 21:39:35 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 21:40:30 <Mchl> I'm sure they knew Danish very well 21:40:44 <Mchl> in fact, they were spies, and only pretended to be clueless 21:40:49 <Mchl> :P 21:41:21 <Bjarni> we did have to communicate with them once in a while though 21:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> lot's of spies out there now ;) 21:41:36 <Bjarni> because of all the houses on the road only our driveway caused problems 21:42:43 <Mchl> they were probably infiltrating OpenTTD development center, so that polish national rail comapny could benefit of its technology 21:43:16 <Bjarni> they worked really hard on repairing it (took days) and in the end when they were nearly done and we could see that it would look really good I found a Polish dictionary and figured out how to write "good job" or something like that and wrote it down and gave them the note 21:43:19 <Bjarni> they became really happy 21:43:31 <Mchl> nice of you :) 21:43:51 <Bjarni> I had no clue on how to actually say what I wrote though 21:44:03 <Mchl> "dobra robota" was it? 21:44:17 <Bjarni> no 21:44:19 <Bjarni> hmm 21:44:24 <Bjarni> I don't think so 21:44:28 <Bjarni> but I can't remember 21:45:04 <Mchl> well, if you ever recall it, ask me and I'll tell you how to say it :) 21:45:24 <Bjarni> ok 21:45:55 <Bjarni> I think the impact on such a note were greater than usual because they knew that nobody in the area speak Polish 21:46:02 <Sacro> http://www.b3ta.com/links/Russian_Hip_Hop 21:46:14 <Bjarni> meaning they knew that somebody actually spent time figuring out how to write Polish 21:46:54 <Mchl> probably 21:50:05 <Bjarni> oh another story involving Polish. I was standing in a crowd where everybody had high visibility vests (those orange thing railroad workers wear) on and a lorry stopped 21:50:19 <Bjarni> the driver then said something in Polish and nobody understood him 21:50:40 <Bjarni> his solution: say the very same thing except this time he said it louder 21:50:51 <Mchl> how did you know it was Polish? Is it that recognizable? 21:51:17 <Bjarni> we presume it to be Polish when we don't understand it :P 21:51:18 <Mchl> lol... like in Terry's Pratchett book 21:51:28 <Bjarni> besides the license plate also gave us a clue 21:51:53 <Mchl> yeah... that's a clue :) 21:52:22 <Bjarni> we (the locals) agreed that he wasn't supposed to be on the railroad area so we pointed to a place where he could turn around 21:52:46 <Bjarni> so he drove to that place and came back a moment later, very happy and waving 21:52:53 <Mchl> his line of reasoning: guys in HV vests! must be Poles! :D 21:52:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00ae25.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:11 <Bjarni> maybe 21:53:59 <Bjarni> but I would presume people in HV vests standing somewhere with tracks everywhere and railroad logo on the back to be railroad workers 21:54:03 <Bjarni> and they are usually locals 21:54:34 <Mchl> you must know railroad logo first ;) 21:54:41 <Bjarni> it was actually right outside the main locomotive repairshop in Copenhagen 21:55:23 <Bjarni> <Mchl> you must know railroad logo first ;) <-- it's a wheel with wings.... it's a symbol of a railroad even to people who haven't seen it before 21:56:05 <Bjarni> http://www.jernbaneklub.dk/hovedstadsomraadet/vingehjul.gif <-- somewhat like this except the wheel were bigger 21:56:40 <Bjarni> this combined with track everywhere (including on the road) and locomotives parked everywhere should give a clue that this could be railroad crew 21:57:50 <Mchl> yeah... probably it should 21:57:57 <Mchl> trams in warsaw have similar logo 21:58:07 <Mchl> with ligtnings though 21:58:37 <Bjarni> makes sense for a system using catenary 21:58:41 <Mchl> http://www.exegroup.pl/images/klient-tramwaje-warszawskie.jpg 21:58:53 <Bjarni> our symbol is a leftover from the steam era 21:59:32 <Wolf01> 'night 21:59:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host250-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:59:56 <Bjarni> damn 22:00:02 <Bjarni> what a weird channel 22:00:09 <Bjarni> nobody asked me what I was doing there :P 22:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> don't act like you have any catenary :p 22:00:32 <Bjarni> I didn't plan on standing there guiding lost lorry drivers 22:01:01 <Mchl> oh...is it not your regular job? 22:01:05 <Mchl> ;P 22:01:11 <Bjarni> we have a 1500 V DC catenary set and a 25 kV AC catenary set 22:01:19 <Mchl> 25kV? 22:01:24 <Bjarni> yeah 22:01:28 <Bjarni> 25.000 V 22:02:02 <Bjarni> basically it means "don't get near" 22:02:24 <Bjarni> as it can jump 3 cm or so though air 22:02:43 <Bjarni> and more if it's a wet weather or the air contains ions or something 22:02:51 <Bjarni> safety distance is actually 1,75 m 22:03:10 <Bjarni> and it's 5 meters if they fall down 22:03:16 <Mchl> i can imagine that 22:03:53 <Bjarni> <Mchl> oh...is it not your regular job? <-- I'm an engineering student so no 22:04:05 <Mchl> so am I :P 22:04:11 <Bjarni> nice 22:04:23 <Bjarni> are you as good as I am? 22:04:24 <Mchl> what is this 25kV catenary for? 22:04:51 <Bjarni> if you answer my question then I will answer yours 22:05:01 <Bjarni> :P 22:05:45 <Mchl> I should've passed my final exams two years ago, so I expect I'm pretty good at studying, but not finishing studies :P 22:05:58 <Bjarni> heh 22:06:30 <Bjarni> ok now I owe you an answer 22:06:36 <Bjarni> <Mchl> what is this 25kV catenary for? <-- it's for powering trains 22:07:02 <Mchl> that's quite a lot... 22:07:18 <Mchl> AFAIK rails on poland operate on 3kV 22:07:25 <Bjarni> sounds like DC 22:07:53 <Bjarni> the thing is that we got 1500 V DC in 1934 for EMUs in the Copenhagen area 22:08:03 <Bjarni> and everything else were using steam 22:08:08 <Mchl> ah yes... DC of course 22:08:21 <Bjarni> then the railroads switched to diesel 22:08:32 <Bjarni> and in 1984 the first long distance catenary were put up 22:09:20 <Bjarni> at this time AC wasn't an issue for electric engines (it was in the 1930s) so AC was picked (50 Hz since it's easy to get) 22:10:35 <Bjarni> and as we all know U=RI and P=R*I*I so the powerloss is I^2 and unaffected by the voltage in the lines 22:10:45 <Bjarni> so you want high voltage and low current 22:10:54 <Bjarni> to minimise the loss 22:11:05 <Bjarni> the locomotives are then basically a big transformer 22:11:29 <Bjarni> to get high current and lower voltage as it's current that gives the forward force in the engine 22:11:57 <Bjarni> you can't use a transformer on DC supply 22:12:01 <Mchl> pretty interesting 22:12:06 <Bjarni> ok you can today but not back then 22:12:30 <Mchl> your locomotives have totalu diffirent construction than ours 22:12:44 <Bjarni> this means that the strongest locomotive we ever had is actually an electric one 22:12:48 <Bjarni> it has 8800 hp 22:13:10 <Bjarni> and is used to haul freight trains between Sweden and Germany 22:13:13 <Bjarni> of up to 2000 tons 22:13:41 <Bjarni> no DC catenary can deliver enough energy to do that 22:14:01 <Bjarni> the freight trains usually drive 100 km/h 22:14:45 <Bjarni> we lack a lot of catenary though :( 22:15:14 <Zuu> At least most countries use mainly 1435mm track width, and then just various electricity systems. :) 22:15:32 <Mchl> strongest electric locomotive polish rail operates would deliver some 6500HP 22:15:46 <Zuu> Easier to make locomotives that goes on different electricity systems than different track widths. 22:15:46 <Bjarni> basically we only have on the line from Sweden to Germany (EU demanded that) and on the line from Copenhagen pointing north (since this is the line they used to test the system before building it at a large scale) 22:15:51 <Bjarni> this might change now though 22:16:00 <guru3> i've got a bike. it's got one people power 22:16:25 <Bjarni> the railroad ordered intercity DMUs 22:16:32 <Bjarni> now they are 5 years late 22:16:37 <Bjarni> and still no good 22:16:49 <Mchl> so it is mainly diesel? 22:16:58 <Bjarni> the factory have to deliver them within a year or the contact is off 22:16:59 <Prof_Frink> Mchl: It'd have better traction if they didn't polish the rail so much. 22:17:26 <Bjarni> if the contract is off then electric trains are likely to be ordered instead and the politicians will find the money needed to put up catenary 22:18:02 <Bjarni> <Mchl> so it is mainly diesel? <-- yeah because the leftish politicians backed out of their own plan to put up catenary 22:18:46 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: funny :) 22:19:02 <Mchl> :P 22:19:27 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: teehee 22:19:27 <Zuu> No offence, but If you want to be little evil: Danish power is mostly coal, so diesel or electric powered trains is just the same in Denmark environment wise. ;) 22:19:39 <Mchl> just found out, we have six locomotives with 7500HP power :D 22:19:40 * Sacro enjoys polishing the rail 22:19:44 <Bjarni> arghhhh 22:19:46 <Bjarni> bug 22:20:01 <Bjarni> a big bug came flying and landed on my lips >_< 22:20:18 <Mchl> quick! post in on flyspray! 22:20:35 <Mchl> oh, that was horrible... 22:20:36 <Zuu> But then, if environment certificated electricty exist in Denmark they could use that and say it's environment friendly. :) 22:20:41 <Bjarni> my quick actions made the bug go away already 22:20:51 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 22:21:17 <Bjarni> Zuu: they talk about using power from windmills 22:21:17 <Zuu> Ok 22:21:31 <Bjarni> nobody asked them what they will do on a day with no wind though 22:21:54 <Mchl> wind powered trains... wonder haw that would sell 22:22:00 <Mchl> how 22:22:11 <Sacro> http://www.collegehumour.com/video:1816890 22:22:14 <guru3> passangers could bicycle it when there's no wind 22:22:17 <Bjarni> like right now 22:22:32 <Bjarni> the windmills only produce 116 MW right now 22:22:49 <Bjarni> they usually give like 1-2000 22:22:55 <Bjarni> 2500 when it's a storm 22:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Mchl> what is this 25kV catenary for? <- it is to comply to an EU regulation to electrify the route from germany to sweden, but they decided to not use the same system as both germany and sweden use (which both have 15kV) 22:23:22 <Bjarni> but right now the wind is around the trigger moment for them to just start producing anything 22:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> 25kV is also standard in france (northern half, i believe) 22:23:54 <Bjarni> less than half of France 22:24:05 <Bjarni> and in some country in the East too 22:24:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> the TGV system is 25kV, i think 22:24:16 <Bjarni> Slovenia I think 22:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> Romania, i thought 22:24:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> at least afair we sold our 25kV engines (from the RÃŒbelandbahn) there 22:25:16 <Bjarni> normal Japanese gauge is 1067 mm and they use almost exclusively DC (1500 and 3000V). However Shinkansen have a railnet of it's own because they use a gauge of 1435 mm and 25 kV 50 Hz AC 22:25:18 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-147-120-58.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:25:31 <Zuu> In south of Sweden Malmö-Ystand they have wind-powered trains where they have put up a wind mill close to the track and a sign that the trains are powered by that wind mill. :) 22:25:35 <Bjarni> meaning that at least in theory we could use Shinkansen in Denmark without altering anything 22:25:39 <Zuu> Ystad* 22:25:55 <Bjarni> Ystand :D 22:26:20 <Prof_Frink> Whereas in the UK we could use donkeys and it would be an improvement 22:26:45 <Bjarni> we once had a visiting TGV in Copenhagen 22:27:15 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: compared to hull women... 22:27:21 <Bjarni> some politicians paid a fortune to rent a TGV, an X2000, an ICE3 and some Italian train and put them on display 22:27:28 <Bjarni> since they wanted high speed trains in Denmark 22:27:49 <Prof_Frink> Speaking of Shinky, orudge found something on the Top Gear Blog 22:27:52 <Bjarni> the only result was that I was able to try sitting in the driver's seat on a TGV 22:28:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> how are the ICE-TD doing anyway? 22:28:01 <Bjarni> we didn't get any better trains or faster or anything 22:28:23 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: they were on the news the other day 22:28:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> bad news? 22:28:36 <Bjarni> as the train with decent comfort 22:28:39 <ln> had to install Thunderbird because Apple's Mail failedd 22:28:45 <Bjarni> meaning everything else is supposed to be really bad 22:28:55 <Bjarni> ln: o_O 22:29:00 <Bjarni> mail never failed on me 22:29:40 <ln> Bjarni: IMAPS on a non-standard port... won't connect. 22:29:42 <guru3> oh snap, when did 0.6.0 come out? 22:30:01 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a04.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 22:30:03 <ln> Bjarni: or actually, netstat says there is a connection, but Mail itself doesn't know it. 22:30:13 <Rubidium> guru3: April 1st 22:30:21 <Mchl> so ICE-TB goes for 'decent stadard' in Denmark? 22:30:23 <guru3> well i'm behind... any good new features? 22:31:04 <Mchl> an average long sistance polish train would be substadard i suppose 22:31:25 <Rubidium> guru3: new features since when? 22:31:34 <guru3> 0.5.0 i guess 22:31:38 <Bjarni> one sec... making some screenshots from the news broadcast where they talked about it 22:31:45 <guru3> i think that's the last one i played 22:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> guru3: there's a changelog ;) 22:31:49 <Bjarni> more or less by random I recorded it 22:32:34 <Zuu> guru3: drive through stops, diagonal track under bridges (infact in any direction + signals), ... 22:32:46 <guru3> sounds good 22:32:53 <Rubidium> some more newgrf support 22:32:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E64A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> "some" like industries ;) 22:33:15 <guru3> i'm still waiting for the new graphics i guess 22:33:15 <Rubidium> like trams and new [cargos|houses|industries] 22:33:20 <Zuu> more advanced Autosignal I think. 22:33:27 <guru3> the 32bit stuff 22:33:38 <Mchl> autoroad tool? 22:33:39 <Rubidium> 0.6.0 has a 32bpp blitter 22:33:47 <guru3> blitter? 22:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> guru3: the functionality is there 22:34:06 <Rubidium> it's just that there is absolutely no graphicset complete enough to be even thinking of including it 22:34:28 <guru3> the very nature of 32bit requires cool graphics 22:34:32 <Zuu> Also, oneway roads is in 0.6.0. 22:34:36 <guru3> which i'm utterly incapable of creating myself 22:35:21 <Mchl> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Playing_with_32bpp_graphics 22:35:22 <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/bn/inside.jpg http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/bn/outside.jpg <-- this is what they consider "old and bad trains" 22:35:28 <Bjarni> they are from 1971 22:36:10 <Bjarni> even when they were 20 years old a tourist asked my mom if she had entered 1st class by mistake because she thought it was so good on the inside 22:36:26 <Bjarni> but now the very same train is crap according to the media 22:37:06 <Bjarni> but I guess ICE3-TD is better yes 22:37:11 <Bjarni> but also more expensive 22:37:54 <Bjarni> and I have to say that they did some detective job 22:38:04 <Bjarni> they managed to find a car with rust on it 22:38:33 <Mchl> they would't have to look for it in Poland... 22:39:00 <Bjarni> what the story didn't tell is that the car they looked at was at the time they showed this already marked for scrapping within a year 22:39:18 <Mchl> yeah, a bit unfair 22:39:46 <Bjarni> you don't fix severe rust problems like that and then scrap the car say 3 months later 22:39:53 <Mchl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKP_class_EN57 22:40:07 <Mchl> here's mainly used rain for local service in poland 22:40:26 <Mchl> most of them look like those on top photo 22:40:41 <Mchl> usually with graffitti on sides 22:41:04 <Bjarni> they look a bit dated 22:41:16 <Mchl> some of them have been renovated, as can beseen below 22:41:16 <Bjarni> but that's not the same as they are bad 22:41:22 <Mchl> yup... 'dated' is the word 22:41:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:41:54 <Mchl> not really bad, and apparently you can rebuild them pretty easily into modern shape 22:42:17 <Mchl> but in general they're poorly maintained 22:43:02 <Mchl> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:14WE-03-1.jpg 22:43:14 <Mchl> that's what can be build basing on these trains :) 22:43:33 <Bjarni> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:P%A5gat%A5g_p%A5_v%A4g_in_till_K%A4vlinge_station.jpg <-- Sweden uses this one. AFAIK it's dated too but still in fine technical condition and loved by both crew and passengers 22:43:47 <Sacro> No file by this name exists. You can upload it. 22:43:57 <Sacro> Image:PÂ¥gatÂ¥g pÂ¥ v€g in till K€vlinge station.jpg 22:44:17 <Bjarni> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/P%A5gat%A5g_p%A5_v%A4g_in_till_K%A4vlinge_station.jpg 22:44:21 <Mchl> yup... encoding problems 22:44:27 <Sacro> Bjarni: 404 22:44:34 * Sacro slaps Bjarni with utf8 complience 22:44:36 <Bjarni> I type the right thing 22:44:46 <Bjarni> and then IRC change it and colours it green :s 22:44:49 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 22:45:11 <Bjarni> I will find another pic of the same train 22:45:52 <Bjarni> http://tinyurl.com/4wuags <-- or better yet... this should also work 22:46:44 <Mchl> yay! Milka train :P 22:48:30 <Bjarni> they have their limitations like you can't walk from one end to the other and such but generally they should be ok 22:48:51 <Mchl> and look nice 22:48:51 <Bjarni> Zuu: can you support that statement? 22:49:13 <Bjarni> <Mchl> and look nice <-- they are refitted to get modern headlights and such 22:49:22 <Bjarni> the old ones looked a bit different 22:49:37 <Mchl> just like polish EN57s 22:49:47 <Zuu> Bjarni: Which statement? 22:50:03 <Bjarni> PÃ¥gatÃ¥g are good for the passengers and crew 22:50:04 <Mchl> someof them even get new asynchronic engines 22:50:12 <Zuu> Bjarni: Yep 22:50:19 <Zuu> Pink and nice to ride :p 22:50:45 <Zuu> Or more purple to be more exact. 22:50:48 <Mchl> just don't let anyone from MTV see it 22:51:00 <Mchl> ar they'll adopt it for another silly program 22:51:09 <Bjarni> <Mchl> someof them even get new asynchronic engines <-- DC engines has a max efficiency of 90%. Async engines (AC) has a max efficiency around 99% 22:51:17 <Bjarni> and are cheaper to maintain 22:51:31 <Bjarni> and are more durable 22:51:51 <Bjarni> so switching the engines can be good from an economical point of view 22:52:16 <Bjarni> Mchl: what kind of engineering are you studying? 22:53:31 <Bjarni> it's a simple question... I really hope you don't have to look it up :P 22:54:23 <Zuu> At least the new trains will also be of the same purple colour, so passengers will not become totaly lost. :p 22:54:31 <Bjarni> heh 22:55:24 <Bjarni> when DSB got new white trains (old ones were red at the time) then I saw two old people waiting for the train. When the train looked wrong they didn't want to use it... they were waiting for a red train 22:55:48 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13224 /trunk/src/player_gui.cpp: -Fix (r13107): set the location of the old SelectPlayerFaceWindow when switching from simple to advanced or vice versa instead of letting the new window popup somewhere 'randomly'. 22:55:49 <guru3> what!? they're not red anymore!? 22:55:56 <Bjarni> then somebody tried to convince them that it was a new train on the very same line 22:56:11 <Bjarni> guru3: now they are all sorts of colours 22:56:28 * guru3 remembers when they were all red 22:56:31 <Bjarni> but mainly silver, blue or blue/white stripes 22:56:41 <guru3> thought they'd all be red still 22:56:50 <Bjarni> * guru3 remembers when they were all red <-- those were the good old days 22:57:03 <guru3> i was like... 6 22:57:22 <guru3> another childhood memory disillusioned :< 22:57:40 <Bjarni> somebody got the idea that red is the national colour so the trains shouldn't use it anymore as it changed from being the state railroad to a state owned railroad 22:57:41 <Sacro> i miss british rail :( 22:58:26 <Bjarni> guru3: my train is in the original colours and you are always welcome to ride with me ;) 22:58:47 <guru3> :> 22:59:00 <Bjarni> seriously 22:59:07 <Bjarni> we have the tickets as the only income 22:59:18 <guru3> i'm... not exactly near denmark anymore 22:59:20 <guru3> well 22:59:23 <guru3> i'm close ish 22:59:29 *** Mchl [~mchl@abfr173.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:30 <guru3> but it's more than a day trip 22:59:59 <Bjarni> but Sweden is just on the other side... 23:00:08 <guru3> i'm studying at university in england now 23:00:16 <Bjarni> ... 23:00:18 <Bjarni> why? 23:00:41 <guru3> because i don't speak swedish 23:00:42 <Rubidium> he wants to learn English? 23:00:46 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::ea7:beef] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:50 <guru3> and no english UG programs in sweden 23:00:57 <Sacro> guru3: which uni? 23:01:01 <guru3> sheffield 23:01:04 <Sacro> :o 23:01:07 <Sacro> that's like, close 23:01:25 <guru3> anything cool like regional openttd meets? 23:01:30 <Bjarni> <guru3> because i don't speak swedish <-- isn't that like common for young people in Sweden? 23:01:43 <guru3> i only lived there 3 years 23:02:07 <Zuu> Bjarni: What is the common language of young Swedes then? 23:02:19 <Rubidium> b0rk? 23:02:24 <guru3> lol 23:02:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13225 /trunk/src/ (12 files): 23:02:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix (r13041): Missing calls to FindWindowPlacementAndResize() from lots 23:02:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: of windows causing 'two stage' opening effect. 23:03:19 <Bjarni> <Zuu> Bjarni: What is the common language of young Swedes then? <-- Swedish like Engrish? 23:03:25 <peter1138> sleep time now 23:03:50 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:03:58 <Bjarni> guru3: what is your native language? 23:04:05 <guru3> english 23:04:57 <Bjarni> how come you have a Telia DNS if you are in the UK? 23:05:08 <guru3> i still have my computer on at home 23:05:20 <guru3> ssh -> screen -> irssi -> oftc 23:05:38 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 23:06:29 <Bjarni> how come you ended up in Sweden then? 23:06:35 <guru3> mother's work 23:07:10 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::ea7:beef] has joined #openttd 23:08:05 <Bjarni> I'm sorry 23:08:25 <guru3> 'twas only my highschool life 23:09:09 <Bjarni> but you were exposed 23:09:21 <guru3> to swedes? 23:09:25 <Bjarni> yes 23:09:29 <Bjarni> just like me 23:09:33 <guru3> lol 23:09:40 <Zuu> :p 23:09:49 <Zuu> Are we that bad? ;) 23:09:51 <guru3> well, they're either not contagious or i have a natural immunity 23:10:08 <Bjarni> <Zuu> Are we that bad? ;) <-- yes 23:10:18 <Bjarni> at least at understanding Danish numbers 23:10:36 <Zuu> hehe 23:10:43 <Zuu> but then you use a weird system.. 23:10:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have not been exposed to swedes yet 23:10:47 <guru3> well... danish isn't too innocent either. it does have that o with the line through it 23:10:58 <Bjarni> Þ 23:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> Þà 23:11:15 <Zuu> ö 23:11:25 <guru3> don't get me started on those ones Zuu 23:11:26 <Zuu> (with dots instead) 23:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> öÃ? 23:11:48 <Bjarni> Zuu: I think you have seen it before so don't stare with your mouth open like that 23:12:23 <Zuu> Bjarni: hehe .p 23:12:37 <Sacro> ÑÑÑÑкО! 23:12:57 <Bjarni> the guys who decided on the name for the bridge between Denmark and Sweden didn't think very well about it 23:13:12 <Bjarni> because they decided on Ãresundsbron 23:13:17 <Bjarni> well enough 23:13:48 <Bjarni> except the first char is "Ã+š", which isn't an UTF char 23:14:02 <Bjarni> so nobody can write it on computers 23:14:44 <Bjarni> now that's brilliant for a bridge that's so new that people already had computers and email when it was opened 23:15:04 <Bjarni> nobody can write the name of it.... 23:15:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean they combined à with Ã? 23:15:40 <Bjarni> yes 23:15:48 <Bjarni> a good idea on paper 23:15:56 <guru3> all squares here 23:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> what an exceptionally stupid idea :p 23:15:58 <Bjarni> but really bad on keyboards 23:16:01 * guru3 muters about incomplete utf support 23:18:15 <Bjarni> hah 23:18:24 <Bjarni> they even have problems with it on their homepage 23:18:36 <guru3> lol 23:18:39 <Zuu> Yet people use the local version of à out of convenience 23:19:55 <Bjarni> if I see this creative letter anywhere then I will take a picture of it and show you guys 23:20:08 <Zuu> And looks like the Danes got their à in practice on the website. :) 23:22:36 <Bjarni> no need 23:22:38 <guru3> well 23:22:41 <Bjarni> http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/se/electric/emu/X31K/malmo2001_02.jpg <-- found it 23:22:42 <guru3> it seems turning utf8 on in screen 23:22:44 <guru3> made it worse 23:22:47 <guru3> instead of better 23:22:57 <Sacro> heh 23:23:05 <Sacro> guru3: what term are you using? 23:23:10 <guru3> gnome-terminal 23:23:12 <Sacro> i have to set putty to utf8 23:23:14 <guru3> screen 23:23:16 <Sacro> echo $locale 23:23:16 <guru3> then irssi 23:23:23 <Sacro> and then make sure :utf8 on 23:23:56 <guru3> is it bad that that variable isn't set? :S 23:24:11 <Bjarni> actually now that I think about it I think it's the trains that has that new letter while the bridge is officially spelled with à and ends on "bron" so it's a mix of Danish and Swedish 23:24:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> $LOCALE? 23:24:20 <guru3> nope 23:24:22 <guru3> tried that next 23:24:27 <Sacro> err 23:24:32 <Sacro> just run locale? 23:24:40 <Sacro> guru3: what distro? 23:24:47 <guru3> gentoo 23:26:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-30-148.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:27:04 <Sacro> guru3: mmm, not sure 23:27:12 <guru3> i'm not either really 23:27:13 <guru3> oh well 23:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 23:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> and lots of LC_* 23:29:43 <guru3> LANG= 23:29:47 <guru3> it's just blank 23:30:35 <Sacro> :\ 23:30:47 <Sacro> yeah, i use LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 23:32:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:33:35 <guru3> well shit that worked 23:33:47 <guru3> export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" 23:33:47 <guru3> export LANG="en_US.UTF-8" 23:33:50 <guru3> put that in .bashrc 23:34:46 <Bjarni> damn 23:34:50 <guru3> first time ive ever gotten full unicode support working 23:34:52 <guru3> hurrah 23:34:58 <guru3> "full" 23:35:00 <guru3> in irc anyway 23:35:11 <Bjarni> I just typed .cm instead of .com and somebody actually owned the site I then ended up at 23:35:27 <Bjarni> and naturally they wanted to sell me something 23:35:48 <Bjarni> talk about bad business morale 23:35:57 <Bjarni> .cm is Cameroon btw 23:45:29 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-75-225.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:48:19 <Zuu> Night guys 23:48:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:06 <Bjarni> time for bed 23:54:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46af1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]