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01:06:34 <Yexo> check if there is a similar bug report and if not create one (http://bugs.openttd.org/) 01:07:33 <lobster> quite 01:08:55 <SmatZ> I don't remember anyone reporting problems with vehicle lists 01:09:07 <SmatZ> so, as Yexo said :) 01:19:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E064.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:31:19 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:50:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:52:51 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 01:57:27 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:58:54 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 02:03:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:12:51 *** Kalten [~gav@61.4.96.222] has joined #openttd 02:14:55 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-229.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:19:06 *** Sacro is now known as Guest5988 02:19:06 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 02:21:43 *** Guest5988 [~Ben@adsl-83-100-154-77.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:27:16 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:29:48 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 02:39:34 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:39:59 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 02:58:00 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:42:47 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:29 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 03:55:20 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-245-229.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04:50 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-171-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 04:10:05 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 04:11:56 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:54 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 04:59:21 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FA93.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:02:38 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 05:02:42 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37F1F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:08:33 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37F1F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 05:19:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77021.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24:17 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 05:24:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 05:29:50 * Celestar has a 6-hour exam coming up 05:29:52 * Celestar hates that 05:30:43 <nckomodo> I'm so glad I'm done with school for now 05:31:38 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 05:31:53 <nckomodo> ugh, hate that 05:32:09 <nckomodo> where I think I'm looking at another channel and someone from a different channel joins 05:32:10 <nckomodo> and its like 05:32:19 <nckomodo> "hey its that guy from #someotherchannel!" 05:32:49 <nckomodo> oh wait no it isnt I'm still looking at #someotherchannel 05:33:19 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 05:34:35 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 05:34:45 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 05:37:11 <Celestar> nckomodo: I am the examiner (= 05:37:33 <nckomodo> ah 05:37:46 <Celestar> not the examinee (does that even exist?) :P 05:37:55 <nckomodo> it does now 05:38:09 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm173.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:38:25 <Celestar> (= 05:42:41 <Forked> meep meep .) 05:43:03 <nckomodo> you have one eye 05:43:13 <Forked> I'm sort of sleepy 05:43:19 <Celestar> -) 05:43:22 <Forked> also I'm gonna be late for work again because of cargodest :) 05:43:27 <nckomodo> .'/) 05:43:32 <Forked> ¯\(º_o)/¯ 05:43:39 <Celestar> there still are two bugs to finish off : 05:43:54 <nckomodo> ¯\.'/)/¯ 05:43:57 * Forked is just happy his vdsl2 started working again 05:47:37 *** stevenh [~stevenh@116.66.228.206] has joined #openttd 05:48:14 <stevenh> Guys, are any of the NoAI Devs here? 05:49:18 <Celestar> here maybe, awake .. I think not :P 05:49:23 <Celestar> TrueBrain: are you awake? :P 05:50:13 <stevenh> I just wanted to know if the Buy Land item has been left out of the provided functions for a reason or if it's just on a todo somewhere? 05:51:39 <Celestar> I *think* it is a todo 05:52:44 <stevenh> Is there any way of seeing the current todo(s)? 05:54:26 <Celestar> that I don't know sorry 05:57:07 <Celestar> gtg 05:57:09 <Celestar> quit 05:57:14 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:57:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:58:30 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-53-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 06:05:40 <planetmaker> stevenh: try #openttd.noai 06:08:56 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:49 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:13:45 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 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<Eddi|zuHause> +STR_JUST_RAW_STRING :{RAW_STRING} <- what is this? is this supposed to be in translation files? 10:06:22 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:11:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F3E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:13 *** ln [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 10:19:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:52 <ln> my apologies 10:19:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:20:46 <peter1138> in! 10:20:56 <ln> out! 10:21:00 <peter1138> shake it all about! 10:29:06 <Pikka> you filthy swines! 10:31:01 <Brianetta> http://qdb.us/227085 10:31:33 <Pikka> how rare 10:32:14 <Pikka> dinnertiems 10:32:17 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 10:32:31 <ln> Pikka|afk: no away nicks 10:32:53 <peter1138> There's no such rule! 10:32:56 <Brianetta> Pikka is an exception 10:33:07 <Brianetta> peter1138: There is, according to thingy. 10:39:09 <Brianetta> http://qdb.us/225287 10:39:12 <Brianetta> that made me lol 10:39:45 <TrueBrain> wasn't there a rule against such urls... 10:39:52 <TrueBrain> do we really need to put all of them in the topic? :p 10:40:12 <TrueBrain> (nothing against you Brianetta, but we once had a user, I won't call names *bjarni*, who pasted more bash-urls then lines of text :p) 10:41:04 <Brianetta> The two qdb URLs were to different ends 10:41:21 <Brianetta> The first was a submission from this channel, and just a notification 10:41:27 <Brianetta> The second was damned funny, and a one-off 10:41:40 <TrueBrain> fair enough :p 10:43:37 <ln> TrueBrain: http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/then http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/than 10:44:05 <TrueBrain> why are rooms always too small for your stuff :( 10:44:26 <dih> heyho 10:44:48 <TrueBrain> oh no, a dih 10:44:54 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: They aren't if, like me, you have guys in your house adding places to store crap 10:45:00 <ln> guten afternoon, dih 10:45:02 <Brianetta> They boarded the loft yesterday 10:45:09 <Brianetta> and are installing shleving above the stairs now 10:45:37 <TrueBrain> well, the only place I could 'add' is outside the building 10:45:45 <TrueBrain> I don't think they appreciate it when I tried that ;) 10:46:57 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 10:48:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r14277 /trunk/findversion.sh: -Change [Makefile]: Use [ -n ... ] instead of using return values from grep and read in findversion.sh. 10:49:32 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:49:51 <Brianetta> You have stairs? 10:50:13 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 10:50:28 <Brianetta> re Pikka 10:50:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 10:50:33 <Pikka> lo 10:51:37 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 10:52:58 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has 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11:02:39 <dih> in the advanced settings window (formerly known as configure patches) 11:02:41 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:02:48 <dih> the warning about the station spread 11:02:51 <dih> is that still needed? 11:02:56 <dih> or can that not be removed 11:03:13 <dih> there are a few settings where a higher value means more resource hungry 11:04:07 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> why are rooms always too small for your stuff :( <- same as harddrives 11:04:23 <dih> or pants 11:08:47 <Progman> dih: your diaper is already full? *runs* 11:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause> who needs pants when you have harddrives... 11:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause> err... wait... 11:09:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:09:38 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: after 1.5 TB of home storage, and 0.5 TB in backup storage, I kind of have enough :p 11:10:13 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 11:19:26 *** lobster_MB 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It's likely caused by r14175. 11:26:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r14279 /trunk/os/debian/ (control control.in rules): -Revert (r14237): Undo changes for renaming Debian packages, this is not the right way to do this. 11:27:08 <peter1138> Oh, yes. 11:27:13 <blathijs> Rubidium: Could you backport r14279? Or shall I? 11:27:26 <Rubidium> I'll do that (eventually) 11:27:39 <peter1138> There's a line to remove, heh 11:27:53 <peter1138> In t' drop down event handler. 11:30:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80CBE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80AB4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:32:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:32:44 * welshdragon whoines at Brianetta 11:32:53 <welshdragon> i keep desyncing 11:33:27 <Rubidium> welshdragon: stop using waypoints and making RV jams :) 11:33:34 <Rubidium> or flooding people 11:33:41 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:34:56 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:35:08 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:35:28 * peter1138 spots a dead pixel. Argh. 11:36:01 <welshdragon> Rubidium, i'm not flooding, and how do i stop rv jams? 11:36:02 * dih calles the amulance 11:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> in the sky? 11:36:09 <dih> *ambulance 11:36:11 <dih> gnah 11:36:18 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 11:36:26 <Eddi|zuHause> amule? 11:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> böser raubmordkopierer :p 11:36:58 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause, english please? 11:37:14 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 11:37:22 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: if you can suggest a proper translation for that word... 11:37:23 <Rubidium> welshdragon: by stopping all road vehicles (yes that's a "bad" fix for the problem) 11:37:42 <welshdragon> hmm 11:38:11 <welshdragon> Rubidium, i kinf of rely on 200 rv's 11:38:37 <dih> you should not 11:38:49 <dih> not as bad as relying on ships, but yeah 11:38:49 <welshdragon> i do 11:38:55 <dih> :-P 11:39:23 <welshdragon> i have 160 rv's 11:39:52 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: assuming Boeser is a location, the Boeser robbery murder copy cat? 11:39:56 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no... "böse" means "evil" 11:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: "Raubkopierer" means something along the lines of "software pirate" 11:41:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and the "Mord" in there is kind of a satirical overexaggeration of the itself overly exaggerated word 11:42:10 <Eddi|zuHause> because nobody is violently robbing software... 11:43:12 <dih> he was not murdered... he desynced.... 11:43:22 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:43:50 <Rubidium> so I haven't lost my translation skills :) reading something COMPLETELY different in a foreign language that there actually is (in latin I made murder parties of weddings and vice versa) 11:44:20 <Rubidium> not to mention failing to write proper English sentences 11:44:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's kind of a running gag whenever there is a news message about file sharing and copyright law, to extend that word with even more non-sensical crimes 11:44:50 <welshdragon> one of the other companies has 127 rv's 11:45:13 <Eddi|zuHause> does the owner of the vehicle really matter? 11:45:32 <Rubidium> nope 11:45:35 <welshdragon> no, i'm just stating that there's over 200 rv's 11:45:54 <welshdragon> and that's probably what the problem is 11:46:13 <Rubidium> ask Brianetta to disable RVs for his next game 11:46:25 <peter1138> We need a 0.6 branch test ;) 11:46:41 <Eddi|zuHause> ask Rubidium to release 0.6.3 before Brianettas next game :p 11:47:15 <dih> there have been openttdcoop games with way more rv's than that 11:47:19 <dih> 600+ iirc 11:47:26 <Rubidium> that's going to take a while to be released 11:47:47 <dih> we are busy on the german translation ;-) 11:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "{P Zug ZÃŒge}" <- that is already my alternate suggestion 11:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause> or "Z{P ug ÃŒge}" would do the job also, but it looks ugly 11:56:13 <dih> it looks ugly, but nicer to do 11:56:40 <dih> if you want ugly you can even split it up more 11:56:56 <dih> Z{P u ue}g{P "" e} 11:57:03 <dih> hihi 11:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the second one needs the reference string, {P 0 "" e} 11:57:30 <dih> oh - true 11:57:34 <dih> could very well be 11:57:59 <Eddi|zuHause> at least that's what i did with the gender in the prototype window 11:59:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the grammar system is cool when you know how to use it :p 11:59:17 <dih> hehe - i only now realised it said Zugs :-D 11:59:33 * dih does not know that yet.... 11:59:48 <dih> 1 Zug 2 Zugs hihihihi 11:59:58 <Eddi|zuHause> hence my comment ;) 12:00:07 <dih> that really is a cute one i must say :-P 12:00:29 <dih> Voreinstellung fÃŒr Signale though is not the best descriptive either :-( 12:01:05 <dih> well.. perhaps :-P 12:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but it's furthest away from "Standard" i could get ;) 12:01:25 <dih> hihi 12:01:53 <dih> i translated a tooltip string 12:02:14 <dih> did not think keeping it 'short' was gonna be _that_ important, as it was a tooltip 12:02:18 <dih> well - it was too long :-D 12:04:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you can put line breaks in there ;) 12:07:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... can i "mute" a running process (i.e. redirect stdout to /dev/null)? 12:08:00 <Eddi|zuHause> without stopping it, i mean ;) 12:08:47 <Ammler> use another window :-) 12:10:34 <planetmaker> man kill is your friend :P 12:14:34 <dih> nono - mute! not stop 12:15:04 <dih> afaik you cannot ;-) 12:15:09 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: fails to meet requirement 2 ;) 12:15:25 <dih> (- 2) 12:15:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i would think there'd be some magic i could do in /proc/<id>/ 12:16:44 <dih> ouch 12:16:52 <dih> uh - that could really hurt :-D 12:17:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, which is why i ask, and not simply try ;) 12:17:44 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28B193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:18:32 * davis- hai 12:18:39 <Eddi|zuHause> wo? 12:19:13 <dih> da! 12:19:54 <ln> get away from the water! 12:20:08 <dih> someone can build docs if max_ships = 0? 12:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, when the gui buttons are not disabled 12:21:02 <dih> aye 12:21:10 <dih> SmatZ ^ 12:21:55 <SmatZ> hello dih 12:22:13 <Ammler> dih, advanced setting :-) 12:22:13 <dih> :-P 12:22:25 <dih> not the same thing ammler 12:22:33 <dih> building something != hiding build options 12:25:39 <planetmaker> dih: you wouldn't want to disable building the infrastructure. That's not nice. 12:25:50 <planetmaker> Why would you want it anyway? 12:26:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14280 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: use IsRailWaypointTile() instead of IsTileType() and IsRailWaypoint() checks at several places 12:27:04 <dih> planetmaker: imagin seeing an oil rig, and seeing that you just about have enough money for a doc and 2 ships 12:27:30 <dih> then you build the dock and find you cannot build ships as max_ships = 0 12:27:34 <planetmaker> so what? 12:27:44 <dih> and you are losing money? 12:27:46 <dih> hmmm... 12:27:49 <dih> company dead 12:27:50 <dih> boom 12:27:51 <planetmaker> imagine you want to build a nice station and just miss a dock for your eye candy. What then. 12:28:01 <dih> tough luck :) 12:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause> http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/02/27/redirecting-output-from-a-running-process/ <- that looks fun ;) 12:28:14 <planetmaker> dih: there are no technical means to stop human stupidity. It's not even worth the try 12:28:18 <dih> docs are ugly anyway :_D 12:28:30 <dih> exit(0) 12:28:42 <SmatZ> dih: Advanced Settings - GUI - second from the bottom 12:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause> <dih> then you build the dock and find you cannot build ships as max_ships = 0 <- that's why the GUI buttons get disabled 12:30:26 <dih> nice link Eddi 12:31:51 <Brianetta> Rubidium: I take it trams aren't the problem per se, then? 12:31:58 <Brianetta> It's jammed RVs generally 12:32:01 <dih> SmatZ, Eddi: that option is not enabled by default! 12:33:08 <SmatZ> dih: it is not, most patches are TTD-like by default 12:33:40 <SmatZ> though... in TTD, ships were always available 12:37:54 <Rubidium> Brianetta, more specifically: imagine a T junction where there's a jam on the | part and RVs coming from the left and right merging into that jam 12:38:11 <Brianetta> yes 12:38:15 <Rubidium> jam can also be just two vehicles driving with almost no space between them 12:38:32 <Rubidium> and a third one trying the squeeze in between them at a junction 12:38:45 <Brianetta> I can either disable RVs, or disable LilDood 12:39:20 <Brianetta> He had one city in a state where you just couldn't see tarmac 12:40:05 <Brianetta> I suppose trams are more likely to reveal the problem because they're less likely to be able to choose a non-jammed path 12:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause> <SmatZ> dih: it is not, most patches are TTD-like by default <- which i have complained many times about... defaults should be for newbies, not for TTD traditionalists 12:44:16 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: complaining about default settings is not allowed. 12:44:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: which part of the topic says that? 12:45:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:45:09 * SmatZ agrees with Eddi|zuHause 12:45:14 <SmatZ> there could be presets 12:45:25 <SmatZ> on the other hand... who wants to play with default TTD settings 12:45:51 <SmatZ> including pathfinders 12:45:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there are rumors that they exist ;) 12:46:08 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: dunno. i tried to complain about the default message settings being too verbose on a big map, you'll have a newspaper popping up every damn second. i was told not to complain. 12:46:13 <SmatZ> mostly TTDP fans I guess :) 12:46:29 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the settings that are totally senseless (imho) is the red_twoway_eol 12:46:53 <SmatZ> not at all :) 12:47:07 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: not to complain and change the settings instead. later some guy called "ludde" complained about the same thing. 12:47:09 <SmatZ> it is used to force trains to go different way when the signal is red 12:47:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean not the existance of the setting, but the default value thereof 12:47:22 <SmatZ> but if the signal is oneway, then the train may choose to go to the red signal 12:47:28 <SmatZ> ah ok :) 12:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i perfectly understand that coop-style people like to abuse such settings to the fullest ;) 12:48:11 <SmatZ> hehe 12:49:29 <SmatZ> I think it would be nice to have GUI for all settings 12:49:38 <SmatZ> and the ability to reset to default everything 12:49:43 <SmatZ> and to have presets 12:50:03 <SmatZ> but then it could be too complex for many users 12:50:16 <SmatZ> like "wth is Advanced YAPF settings?" 12:50:23 <SmatZ> and what si a PF penalty? 12:50:48 <blathijs> Something to make the pathfinder avoid things 12:51:15 <Rubidium> show settings: beginner, advanced user, expert ? 12:51:17 <blathijs> ie, rather take a detour than plan a route through a tunnel, or through a red signal, etc 12:51:24 <blathijs> oh wait 12:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the "important" settings need to be sorted in a way that they are accessible to newbies, and the "unimportant" (expert) settings should be in another window 12:51:28 <blathijs> That was not a question :-) 12:51:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:51:55 <ln> default values are not supposed to be sensible! 12:53:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "beginner" settings could be stuff like the road driving side, language and stuff 12:53:39 <Rubidium> advanced user most of the currently shown settings and expert's the rest 12:53:48 <SmatZ> blathijs: :-) 12:54:44 <Eddi|zuHause> some of the current "advanced" settings should rather be difficulty settings 12:55:45 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:57:13 <Ammler> start a game through a "wizzard" with about 5 pages... 12:58:38 <SmatZ> not a bad idea :) 12:59:40 <dih> the wizard of oz 13:00:19 <Ammler> first page askes for clima and difficult level then the following depense on that... 13:02:21 <Ammler> you might be able to "learn" which settings needs which level until the release of 0.7 :-) 13:02:34 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:02:36 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i didn't get an answer previously... what is the policy about "{RAW_STRING}" in language files? 13:04:37 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:38 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:05:17 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 13:05:20 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:09:39 <dih> Eddi|zuHause: {RAW_STRING} is not to be used in translations 13:09:51 <dih> so nobody can translate STR_JUST_RAW_STRING 13:09:53 <dih> :-D 13:10:35 <dih> also, currently in the db we have {BLACK}Liefert: {GOLD} 13:10:40 <dih> for {BLACK}Supplies: {GOLD} 13:10:49 <dih> would "Produziert" not be better? 13:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that does not quite cover it... 13:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> @openttd log 13799 13:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> @help openttd 13:13:16 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Error: There is no command "openttd". 13:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause> @help 13:13:29 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: help [<plugin>] [<command>] 13:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> @help openttd log 13:13:36 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Error: There is no command "openttd log". 13:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause> @help openttd commit 13:13:42 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 13:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause> wth? 13:13:52 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 13799 13:13:54 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by glx :: r13799 /trunk/src/lang (36 files) (2008-07-23 14:58:43 UTC) 13:13:55 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Fix (r13730): {RAW_STRING} should be used in english.txt only 13:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: the bot commands me to contact you. 13:15:12 <SmatZ> :) 13:19:24 <dih> and {STRING} should be used instead of {RAW_STRING}? 13:19:57 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently that's what the commit does 13:21:49 <dih> right then :-) 13:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/FormatOfLangfiles#Translations_2 <- {RAW_STRING} does not appear in this list 13:22:17 <dih> nope 13:22:18 <dih> i know 13:22:20 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:22:22 <dih> that's why i asked 13:24:33 *** PierreW [~ttdopen@pierrew.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:28 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:26:49 <dih> Service non-stop at <- that sucks 13:27:12 <dih> can it not way Go non-stop to service at 13:27:22 <dih> s/way/say/ 13:33:47 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:27 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 13:37:29 *** PierreW [~ttdopen@pierrew.de] has joined #openttd 13:39:53 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause> "this timetable will take 5,555 ticks to complete" 13:55:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "this vehicle is currently running 374,924 ticks late" 13:55:53 <hylje> how many centuries is that 13:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i was playing that (old) game with daylength 4, so the original timetable is 18 days, and the lateness is roughly 3 years ;) 13:59:01 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 13:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> where the train is 43 years old 13:59:44 <hylje> i'd myself be pretty upset if my train ended up three years late 14:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a typical case of "a 10% error margin on autofill would have solved this" 14:02:45 <dih> for tool tips, does the size of the toop tip windows ajust to the lines the text uses? 14:03:16 <dih> i.e. length of string cannot be detected, but what about if i use 3x {} in translated text 14:03:28 <dih> will the tool tip window be bigger? 14:04:12 <SmatZ> I think so 14:04:46 <dih> you think so or you know so :-P 14:05:07 <SmatZ> there are multiline tooltips, so I guess it would work 14:05:11 <SmatZ> just try it :) 14:06:31 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-132.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 14:06:45 <dih> i have already written a tooltip that was too long :-S 14:08:26 <SmatZ> :) 14:09:07 <welshdragon> Brianetta, these desyncs are annoying me 14:09:35 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a trivial solution to that ;) 14:10:44 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 14:11:07 <dih> welshdragon: then fix them 14:11:28 <welshdragon> i knowwhat the biug is 14:11:35 <dih> what is it then? 14:11:40 <dih> rv's? 14:11:53 <welshdragon> yes, and i know, it's been fixed 14:11:58 <glx> dih: you can try it by modifying german.txt ;) 14:12:20 <dih> yes glx, just right now i am at work and dont wanna start a game 14:12:36 <dih> thankfully nobody asks questions when wt2 is open in my browser :-D 14:13:56 <davis-> unerhört 14:14:11 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-132-133.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:15:01 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:05 *** el_En [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 14:18:18 <dih> sup davis- 14:18:24 <davis-> nm 14:18:25 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-132-123.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 14:18:27 <davis-> bored 14:20:08 <Belugas> work, wt2? same as irc@swork :) 14:20:11 <Belugas> HIDE IT!!! 14:20:45 <Forked> pfft 14:20:54 <Forked> also if you're a coder.. irssi has a great theme for you 14:21:09 <Forked> http://irssi.org/themefiles/c0ders.png <- is this not the perfect theme for any coder? 14:22:25 <hylje> perfect theme for any code monkey 14:22:40 <dih> LOL @ STR_000E 14:22:45 <dih> english: "" 14:22:59 <hylje> real coders blatantly irc and doesn't afraid of managers 14:23:22 <dih> lol Forked 14:23:23 <dih> that is nice 14:23:45 <Forked> I actually need irc for workrelated things now and then :) 14:23:57 <Forked> (easy way to communicate with people at competing ISPs) 14:24:40 <dih> i was thinking of writing some kind of bridge to another chat system for that :-P 14:25:16 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: i don't find any language where it is something other than "" 14:25:31 <dih> the english it self is "" 14:25:37 <dih> which is amuzing 14:25:42 <dih> it's like "why do we need that?" 14:28:33 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:29:55 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 14:29:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 14:30:15 <peter1138> Sometimes you need to include nothing ;P 14:30:31 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-132-123.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:59 <welshdragon> laggy wlan is laggy 14:31:05 <ln> "" in english would be "ciao a tutti" in italian 14:31:10 <dih> wow - your wisdom welshdragon 14:31:36 <Belugas> so is yours dih, hehe 14:31:45 <Belugas> [10:25] <dih> it's like "why do we need that?" 14:31:54 <Belugas> prrrrrt! 14:35:47 <welshdragon> time to try the ethernet 14:39:27 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:40:27 <dih> Belugas: why dont you enlighten me? 14:41:15 <Belugas> you mean: "why don't you baby feed me, Belugas?" ? 14:41:45 <Belugas> Kalten, i' 14:41:47 <Belugas> m 14:41:50 <Belugas> in Canada 14:41:53 <Belugas> if youi need to know 14:42:53 <dih> no Belugas, i mean, why can you not as a dev explain to me the advantage of having an emtpy string in the language file 14:43:25 <peter1138> I already explained. 14:43:52 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:27 <dih> yes - you did - i was more getting at Belugas ;-) 14:45:36 <Belugas> dih, why should I when you have the sources yourself and when you kow how to search for things? 14:45:58 <Belugas> gimme gimme gimme!!! 14:46:23 <dih> becaus, due to some odd misunderstanding, i was still under the false impression of you actually being a friendly and helpful person 14:46:36 <Lakie> ... 14:46:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-70-101.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 14:46:41 <dih> hehe 14:46:48 <dih> i thought that was quite a good one :-P 14:46:51 <Lakie> There are limits to peple pataince. 14:46:56 <Lakie> people's* 14:47:22 <dih> no Lakie, in this case it's just Belugas and I having some fun 14:47:40 * peter1138 is having some Phun. 14:47:48 <Forked> iPhun? 14:47:59 <Belugas> i'm having fun??? 14:48:02 <peter1138> No, it's on the PC. 14:48:02 <Belugas> he ben... 14:48:15 <Belugas> hey Lakie :) 14:48:26 <Belugas> hey peter1138 14:48:27 <Lakie> Hi Belugas. 14:48:28 <Belugas> :) 14:48:37 * Lakie sighs 14:48:44 <Lakie> Haven't got much done on new objects. :/ 14:48:45 <peter1138> My suspension system doesn't work if the axle boxes are not connected together :/ 14:49:49 <Belugas> Lakie, fear not, i'm totally stalled too 14:49:56 <Lakie> Hehe 14:49:59 <Belugas> wife has some higher plans for me :S 14:50:05 <Lakie> :o 14:50:21 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-77-86-2-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:50:31 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-77-86-2-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:39 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-77-86-2-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:52:20 <dih> "could you fetch the vase from that top shelf for me?" 14:52:28 <Sacro> who me? 14:52:46 * dih hugs Belugas 14:53:06 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CD0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:16 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:55:31 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:48 *** LilDood [~LilDood@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:19 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:59:17 * Belugas hands a chair to dih. Now, you can climb 14:59:32 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:48 <peter1138> I think he needs a lift. 15:00:03 <Belugas> lol 15:00:04 <peter1138> One from a coal mine. 15:00:19 <LilDood> Any idea why OTTD wouldn't work on a PowerPC mac running Mac OSX 10.3.9? 15:00:38 <Forked> not enough power! (ok that wasn't funny, please forgive me) 15:00:46 <Lakie> Don't you need to compile any openttd past 0.5.x for powerpc? 15:00:47 <dih> lol Belugas 15:01:01 <Lakie> I don't think the official builds include the old mac cpus 15:01:13 <Sacro> should do 15:01:19 <Sacro> universal binaries 15:01:20 <Sacro> iirc 15:01:22 <dih> Lakie: they do, they are universal builds 15:01:38 <Lakie> They AREN'T 15:01:51 <Lakie> PowerPC and Intel use completely different Assembly 15:02:08 <dih> Lakie: it works for me! 15:02:10 <Sacro> Lakie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_binary 15:02:17 <dih> have you never heared of universal binaries? 15:02:41 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.2.grill-hamburg.de/shop/images/LA_1L_MWPET_07_320.jpg <- i have a lift ;) 15:03:03 <Lakie> No 15:03:11 <Lakie> I don't use macs 15:03:14 <Lakie> too expensive 15:03:45 <dih> hehe 15:03:59 <peter1138> LilDood, depends what "wouldn't work" means. 15:04:07 <dih> you can buy a 12" ppc at quite a reasonable price :-P 15:04:19 <Sacro> Lakie: google "osx86" 15:04:27 <LilDood> It won't run 15:05:14 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:40 <peter1138> The lost art of reporting bugs. 15:05:46 <peter1138> Will it ever return? 15:06:05 <Lakie> Probably not, peter1138... 15:06:45 <dih> LilDood: you said that earlier 15:06:52 <dih> i can tell you it runs on 10.4 :-P 15:07:00 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:08:02 <dih> LilDood: what kind of mac you got? 15:08:30 *** tycoonmarkj [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:10:01 <LilDood> dih: I already said, PowerPC 15:11:08 *** tycoonmarkj is now known as welshdragon 15:11:29 <Belugas> any USEFULL error messages, LilDood ? 15:11:46 <LilDood> no error messages 15:11:49 <Belugas> nor BEHAVIOURS ? sounds, lights? smoke? 15:12:13 <LilDood> Its does the running thing where the icon gets bigger and fades away, whirs and then nothing 15:12:50 *** m1cmack [~m1cmack@catv-89-134-133-181.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 15:12:54 <m1cmack> hi all 15:13:22 <peter1138> You need to try running it from a terminal window. It might tell you more. 15:13:37 <m1cmack> I have troubles with starting a server 15:13:44 <m1cmack> can somebody help me? 15:15:21 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:06 <Belugas> m1cmack: what are the steps you have taken to try to solve it? what are the problems you have encountered? have you tried searching wiki? forum? what is your version? yur OS? 15:20:20 *** m1cmack [~m1cmack@catv-89-134-133-181.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:20:23 <peter1138> Hah 15:20:36 <yorick> I told ya whales were scary! 15:20:43 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | We Love YAPP | THIS IS NOT A PSYCHIC SUPPORT CHANNEL 15:21:26 <Belugas> lol 15:21:33 <Sacro> I don't see a way to see available trams D: 15:21:41 <Sacro> oh, there are no trams 15:21:56 <yorick> could you help me, my crystal sphere is broken 15:24:14 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by peter1138 15:24:14 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [My crystal foot can still kick] 15:24:34 <dih> LilDood: with 'what kind of mac' i did not mean the processor 15:24:39 <dih> i mean the name! 15:25:00 <dih> i.e. imac g3/4 iboot g3/4 power book .... 15:25:01 <dih> c'mon 15:25:15 <peter1138> "gpl the entire project and the problem is solved!" << Haha 15:25:20 <dih> :-D 15:25:28 <dih> hihi 15:25:34 <peter1138> I'm glad you're not my solicitor. 15:25:34 <hylje> magic 15:25:51 <dih> i thought it was amusing :-P 15:26:04 <peter1138> No, just stupid. 15:26:24 *** Kalten [~gav@61.4.96.222] has quit [Quit: Kalten] 15:26:41 <dih> shame :-) 15:26:47 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by peter1138 15:27:26 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm173.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:32 <LilDood> dih: its an early G5 15:28:30 <dih> which would make it a PowerMac 15:28:58 <LilDood> yeah 15:29:04 <dih> congrats 15:29:10 <dih> G5 are sweet little things 15:29:16 <dih> "little" 15:29:17 <dih> :-P 15:29:22 <LilDood> Thats what the setup guide says 15:29:24 <dih> why dont you upgrade to 10.4? 15:29:32 <dih> or 10.5 15:29:41 <LilDood> That costs money 15:29:50 <LilDood> And we rarely use it 15:30:03 <SmatZ> [17:29:43] <LilDood> That costs money <== welcome to the Apple world :-P 15:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... this is the first time i see yorick not joining 0.2 seconds after the ban is lifted... 15:30:36 <SmatZ> anyway, LilDood, did you try running openttd from console? what does it say? what version do you use and what version was last working? 15:30:37 <dih> LilDood: about 100 Euros 15:30:39 <LilDood> It cost us something like ?1.5k i think 15:30:53 <dih> no, you should not buy a new mac 15:30:58 <dih> just a new operating system 15:31:06 <LilDood> I tried it from ternimal, nothing extra 15:31:14 <dih> mac prices are nearly the same all over the world* 15:31:18 <dih> *excluding US 15:31:22 <LilDood> heh 15:31:32 <LilDood> not my decision to upgrade 15:31:33 <dih> pricess are lower in the US 15:31:49 <dih> i would suggest it 15:32:10 <dih> i take it it's at work? 15:32:17 <LilDood> Its at home 15:32:35 <dih> then you should have less issues getting it upgraded 15:32:53 <LilDood> No point, we hardly use it 15:32:59 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:33:12 <LilDood> I'm only on it now cause my PC is broke 15:33:17 <dih> LilDood: that is a wast of a very good computer 15:33:29 <dih> a G5 is a great machine 15:33:31 <LilDood> I didn't pay for it 15:33:33 <dih> so? 15:33:35 <yorick> Eddi: it took a while, I was playing :-) 15:33:44 <dih> if nobody uses it, why can you not use it? 15:33:53 <LilDood> I play games 15:34:27 <dih> and there are no games for os x? 15:34:31 <dih> :-P 15:34:45 <LilDood> No, its just I have lots of PC games 15:35:02 <LilDood> that and this mac is a bit slow, we havn't upgraded it 15:35:34 <dih> i am sure if you wanted to get rid of it the openttd guys would take it :-D 15:35:46 <LilDood> oh no, we don't 15:35:51 <LilDood> Its a spare really 15:36:00 <dih> well - then make it usable :-P 15:36:07 <LilDood> It gets a lot of sleep 15:36:09 <dih> 10.3 sucks 15:36:10 <welshdragon> 'must demolish bus station first' <- that's what i want rid of 15:36:16 <welshdragon> grr 15:36:28 <LilDood> You using the bulldozer thingy? 15:36:31 <welshdragon> yes 15:36:33 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:36:36 <welshdragon> the dynamite 15:36:54 <LilDood> not the remove only road thing 15:36:55 <dih> LilDood: how did you try to start the game from the command line 15:37:14 <LilDood> i just opened it 15:37:20 <LilDood> open openttd.app 15:37:23 <dih> ah 15:37:24 <dih> yes 15:37:29 <dih> cd openttd.app 15:37:31 <dih> ls 15:37:45 <dih> in one of those folders there is a file called openttd 15:37:48 <dih> do ./openttd to that 15:39:18 <LilDood> i'm in the OTTD folder which has all the stuff in 15:39:24 <welshdragon> LilDood, that's what i was doing 15:39:49 <LilDood> Switch it to bus station 15:40:53 <welshdragon> aah, clever 15:41:00 <welshdragon> well, i never knew that :P 15:42:31 <dih> LilDood: cd to OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS 15:42:34 <dih> and type 15:42:36 <dih> ./openttd 15:43:23 <LilDood> k, its doing something 15:43:30 <LilDood> Segmentation fault 15:44:19 <dih> you can paste a few lines of the output to http://paste.openttd.org 15:44:30 <dih> and give us the url in here of the paste 15:44:45 <LilDood> Segmentation fault is the only line of output 15:44:52 <dih> oh and on top of that specify what version of openttd you are trying to run 15:44:57 <dih> then try 15:45:02 <dih> ./openttd -d 9 15:45:29 <LilDood> still 1 line 15:45:37 <dih> what version of openttd? 15:45:45 <LilDood> 0.6.2 15:46:36 *** dfox [~dfox@r9eh58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:24 <dih> LilDood: you could try http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/files/OTTD-macosx-nightly-r14275.zip 15:47:29 <dih> a little nightly 15:48:59 <LilDood> that runs fine 15:49:13 <dih> :-) 15:49:18 <dih> well then :-) 15:49:56 <Belugas> now, what should we say to uncle dih for his help? 15:50:09 <dih> thanks uncle dih 15:50:14 <dih> :-P 15:50:22 <LilDood> Thanks dih :D 15:50:25 <Kloopy> "Can I stoke your beard?" 15:50:34 <dih> no touchty 15:50:59 <SmatZ> :_D 15:52:47 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccd6.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:53:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:53:11 <Rubidium> see, I already told Bjarni... you can't compile an OSX binary that works on 10.3, 10.4 *and* 10.5. Only one for 10.3 and 10.4 or 10.4 and 10.5... Apple has really been doing great work lately 15:55:40 <Rubidium> LilDood: the best you can do is post a bug report on flyspray that the 0.6.2 release doesn't work on 10.3 and that the nightlies do 15:56:25 <dih> Rubidium: then the best thing to do is to make 2 versions for os x 15:56:37 <dih> 10.3 + 10.4 ppc only 15:56:41 <FauxFaux> Or zero versions. 15:56:44 <dih> 10.4 + 10.5 intel only 15:56:46 <SmatZ> hehe 15:56:49 <dih> will lower bandwidth 15:56:51 <ln> Rubidium: that might be the price of not trying to maintain backwards compatibility forever like Microsoft. 15:57:25 <dih> ln: they did that already once before 15:57:29 *** LilDood [~LilDood@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:32 <dih> thinking of os 9 to os x here 15:57:56 <dih> hehe - simply build binaries for os 9, who wants to play can install classic :-D 15:58:13 <glx> dih: it's impossible to make a working 10.5 intel 15:58:18 <ln> dih: can install if they happen to have a ppc. 15:58:30 <glx> (without a real mac) 16:00:02 <Rubidium> we could ofcourse remove the locale detection from OSX as that's most likely the part of OpenTTD causing the crash 16:01:26 <ln> most likely based on what evidence? 16:01:52 <Rubidium> the fact that Bjarni has been messing with it 16:02:09 <peter1138> Heh 16:02:33 <Rubidium> and the fact that the code is different if 'max mac version' >= 10.5 than when it's < 10.5 16:02:43 <dih> laters 16:03:02 <Rubidium> and the nightly farm compiles with max mac version 10.4 and Bjarni makes the releases with max mac version 10.5 16:04:43 <ln> Rubidium: removing locale detection would be a big step backwards in usability. and you should have at least a backtrace to support your claims. 16:05:49 <Rubidium> fine, then we'll remove 10.3 and 10.5 from the "officially" supported versions of OSX 16:06:01 <Rubidium> solves this issue and the compile farm issue 16:06:32 <ln> wait, i have a better idea: remove OS X from the "officially" supported ports 16:07:00 <Rubidium> fine by me too; just use darwine 16:11:28 <Rubidium> ln: what would calling an API function with more parameters than it "supports" do? 16:12:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176251238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:12:51 <SpComb> Rubidium: make daemons fly out of your nose 16:13:00 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccd6.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different] 16:15:41 <Rubidium> SpComb: not out mine, I'm staying as far aware from Apple products as possible 16:15:52 <Rubidium> s/aware/away/ 16:17:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe18a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:19:04 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 16:19:34 <Pikka> are you sure? 16:20:26 <Rubidium> who should be sure of what? 16:21:03 <Pikka> that this is not a psychic support channel? 16:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i fear this "angewendet"/"angewandt" discussion is not going to lead anywhere... 16:23:54 <ln> Rubidium: no idea actually, could imagine it would cause an error about missing symbol at runtime. 16:24:53 <Rubidium> I can really imagine undefined behaviour, especially segfaults 16:25:14 <Rubidium> ofcourse that doesn't prove a thing 16:25:32 <Eddi|zuHause> we might be psychic, but this is definitely not a support channel :p 16:27:02 <hylje> arguably since it's a known fact that people don't actually read topics 16:28:15 <Rubidium> hmm, Pikka doesn't belong to people? Then what is he? 16:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> soylent green. 16:28:57 <peter1138> How do other software suppliers deal with different OS X versions? 16:29:20 <FauxFaux> Not providing binaries for osx, ime. 16:29:20 <hylje> Rubidium: well duh we used our awesome psychic powers to convey him that message! 16:29:31 <ln> peter1138: some drop support for 10.3. 16:29:33 <Rubidium> write a ginourmous abstraction layer? 16:30:02 <planetmaker> [17:58] <glx> dih: it's impossible to make a working 10.5 intel <-- but there a number of people who successfully compile it on Leopard :) Crosscompiling might be tricky, though 16:30:30 <glx> planetmaker: [17:58:39] <+glx> (without a real mac) 16:30:49 <planetmaker> :) ok. 16:30:56 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:36 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 16:33:43 <planetmaker> [18:05] <Rubidium> fine, then we'll remove 10.3 and 10.5 from the "officially" supported versions of OSX <--- hm. 10.5 would be a shame (though I still run 10.4 :P ) 16:34:33 *** dfox [~dfox@r9eh58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the console command "patch" needs to be renamed 16:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "set" and "list_settings" 16:37:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and we need support for "set name=value" 16:37:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i too often fell in that trap already ;) 16:37:40 <yorick> and we need support for a better console 16:38:31 <hylje> embed python 16:39:06 * Rubidium knows a version of embedded python to use 16:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> embed c ;) 16:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> embed brainfuck ;) 16:40:14 <hylje> give it an (simple?) object which represents settings, maybe on several levels 16:40:29 <Sacro> embed whitespace 16:40:30 <hylje> make it introspectable and magically get documents from somewhere 16:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause> now i know! embed XML! 16:41:19 <Eddi|zuHause> then everybody can understand it! 16:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> because it is human readable! 16:41:56 <hylje> for bonus points allow changing everything (through ctypes?), provide a simple scripting support (with e.g. scheduled callbacks) 16:46:11 <planetmaker> oh, and add a therapist like emacs has... :P 16:49:15 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 16:50:13 <hylje> yep, emacs 16:53:34 * planetmaker proposes to start supporting emacs as OS for OpenTTD :P 17:00:28 * Belugas proposes planetmaker as the porter and maintener of that OS 17:01:22 <dih> Belugas, you must be out of your mind 17:01:29 <dih> we need him and his time for wwottdgd 17:01:47 <dih> :-) 17:01:50 <yorick> mainly his time 17:02:09 <dih> yorick, WRONG 17:02:24 <yorick> well, I need his time, you need him :-p 17:02:37 <dih> you need everybodies time! 17:02:44 <dih> or at least you consume it :-P 17:02:53 <yorick> yes, so I can use his too 17:03:50 <Ammler> hehe, planetmaker the nighly build maintainer... 17:04:03 <dih> :-) 17:04:46 <Ammler> seriously can't you use a macserver for that? 17:04:57 * yorick ponders making some time to get the python bot working as a proxy so an infinite number of people can join with unpatched versions 17:05:30 <dih> Ammler, if they had a mac server, they would us it 17:06:52 <yorick> but they keep saying I'm doing it the wrong way 17:08:09 <Ammler> well, then planetmaker needs to let his mac run allday :-P 17:08:11 <Rubidium> Ammler: any idea how much a simple mac server costs? 17:08:44 <Ammler> Rubidium: I thought more of someone who has already one. 17:09:01 <Ammler> and could run a side job all night... 17:09:27 <dih> no - 2000 CEST Ammler, not all night 17:09:42 <Ammler> menat every night :-) 17:09:45 <Rubidium> we don't want to have any time limitations for using the compile farm 17:10:21 <dih> i was more making a point of all build being done at the same time 17:10:26 <dih> or after 2000 17:10:50 <dih> Rubidium, why not buy a second hand mac mini 17:11:10 <Rubidium> very expensive to place that in a DC 17:11:44 <Ammler> well, it could run at home, does only need to make the build and upload it once... 17:11:57 <Ammler> but very unstable, I fear. 17:12:14 <Rubidium> we do not like unstable connections 17:12:32 <Rubidium> .hu <-> .nl was already unstable enough 17:12:33 <Ammler> I see, the reason for the new server :-) 17:12:40 <dih> Rubidium, perhaps there might be some possibility elsewhere 17:14:03 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:06 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:19:35 <Ammler> [19:08] <Rubidium> Ammler: any idea how much a simple mac server costs? <-- around 120$: http://www.serverlogistics.com/hosting.php 17:21:30 <Rubidium> and you can install a whole development environment on that? 17:22:18 <Ammler> ssh access..., can that be limited? 17:22:45 <Ammler> well, was just an example, you would need for donating first... 17:23:30 <Ammler> a well english writer should write a nice email to some mac hoster and ask for it :-) 17:23:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has joined #openttd 17:23:53 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:54 <ln> Ammler: do you know how to install dev tools or other things through an ssh connection? 17:23:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-230-95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:24:05 <Wolf01> hello 17:24:56 <Ammler> ln: mac users will, I don't need to :P 17:25:56 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:26:13 <Rubidium> and I wonder whether 1000 MB is enough for OSX's development toolchain 17:27:36 <Ammler> well, if you ask for a hosting, you should of course tell them, what you need, I assume, they know what is needed... 17:28:17 <ln> a lot more than 1000 MB is needed at least temporarily. 17:30:28 <Rubidium> not to mention a few hundred MB for temporary files during the compile 17:30:33 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226155218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:02 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 17:31:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-230-95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:32:29 <ln> the downloadable installation image of devtools is more than 900 MB. 17:37:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you also need a few MB for an svn checkout... 17:38:01 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176251238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:01 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:38:45 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-1e3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 17:40:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r14282 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files): (log message trimmed) 17:40:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-09-09 17:38:39 17:40:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 1 fixed, 7 changed by Hadez (7), joeprusa (1) 17:40:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 61 fixed, 6 changed by ThomasA (28), MiR (39) 17:40:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 6 fixed by habell (5), webfreakz (1) 17:40:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: estonian - 1 fixed by kristjans (1) 17:40:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 66 fixed by habazi (66) 17:40:48 <ln> interesting, a swede speaking german on the news. 17:41:10 <Eddi|zuHause> baaah... someone should teach me to not open a post titled "Visual Basic 6.0" 17:42:07 <glx> where? 17:42:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r14283 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2281](r14175): beep only after clicking on the main toolbar, not after finishing the selection 17:44:33 <peter1138> I can host a MacMini if someone can find one :p 17:45:05 *** qkr [qkr@a91-153-49-185.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:45:17 <qkr> how do I use the new advanced signals? is there a guide? 17:45:48 <peter1138> Place them where a train should wait. 17:45:51 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:17 <peter1138> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/YAPP might help. 17:47:25 <dih> peter1138: ebay? 17:48:31 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has left #openttd [] 17:48:36 <SmatZ> hmm I wonder why oneway PBS are not used in that example 17:49:10 <peter1138> Because they're generally not needed. 17:50:44 <SmatZ> I use them... 17:51:07 <SmatZ> but right :) there aren't needed 17:51:20 <qkr> can I use advanced signal where I before used pre- and exit-signals? like when 1 track splits into 2 17:51:36 <peter1138> 'generally not needed' does not mean 'never needed' 17:52:31 <SmatZ> qkr: many people build PBS even in this case, when it is not needed... you waste more CPU power this way 17:53:29 <qkr> I have enough cpu power for openttd, that's not a prob 17:54:28 <peter1138> Splitting 1 into 2 with PBS does actually have a use. 17:54:48 <peter1138> A train following another can proceed earlier. 17:54:55 <Zuu> qkr: depends on how big you want to go. Going big big big, will make you reach the limit of what your computer can do. 17:56:27 <SmatZ> peter1138: it matters only in cases when you have signal every tile on your lane so trains can be so near each other... (and of course if the network is jammed,) 17:56:31 <SmatZ> and if you lack space 17:56:51 <peter1138> I find it far simpler just to place PBS signals everywhere. 17:59:18 <Eddi|zuHause> <qkr> can I use advanced signal where I before used pre- and exit-signals? like when 1 track splits into 2 <- most of the time, put a one-way signal where you previously put a pre-signal, put no signal, where you previously put an exit-signal, and put normal signals everywhere else 18:00:12 <Eddi|zuHause> where "normal" means "PBS" signal 18:01:05 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 18:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and "no" signal means "backwards" signal, when the signal was twoway 18:07:24 <qkr> ok.. 18:07:56 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:08:16 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 18:08:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 18:17:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-113-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:18:01 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:19 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:21 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest6105 18:26:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:04 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:06 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 18:30:02 *** Guest6105 [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:34 <SmatZ> tadaaaam :) after a lot of work done on YAPP, michi_cc is another person with commit rights ;-) congratulations :-) 18:31:04 <Yexo> congratz michi_cc 18:31:15 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:31:26 <hylje> the developers! they're multiplying! 18:32:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-230-95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:35:32 <Sacro> hylje: we keep losing them 18:35:46 <Sacro> like DarkVater, Celester, Bjarni, TrueLight, KUDr 18:37:13 <Noldo> I thought Celestar has been quite active lately 18:37:28 <Wolf01> :O 18:37:36 <hylje> lies 18:37:36 <Wolf01> congratulations michi_cc 18:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: The list should be a lot longer... 18:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause> like Tron, or ludde 18:39:27 <Sacro> oh yes, Tron 18:39:34 <Ammler> and half can be removed :P 18:40:40 <hylje> in short Sacro fails miserably as usual 18:43:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43:24 <planetmaker> Hey, congratulations michi_cc :) 18:44:24 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:28 <Zuu> Congratulations to michi_cc from me too. :) 18:46:33 <Ammler> cratulation michi_cc, now you can fix the reversing troubles ;-) 18:47:11 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14284 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r13958): Trains would not look ahead and extend their reservation on a waypoint tile in all cases. 18:48:08 <Belugas> Ammler, you want to scare him away? 18:48:18 <Belugas> congrats to michi_cc :) 18:48:27 <Belugas> you see what GODO work can lead to ? 18:48:28 <SmatZ> congrats michi_cc, clap clap clap :) 18:48:34 <Belugas> GOOD 18:48:45 <Ammler> I hope not, he just explained, it is not a YAPP issue :-) 18:49:32 <Forked> michi_cc: Keep up the good work =) 18:49:36 <Forked> and thank you 18:52:12 <Vikthor> congratulations from me too michi_cc 18:53:02 <Ammler> what does a power station need to disapear? 18:53:17 <SmatZ> Ammler: magic dynamite cheat 18:53:46 <Ammler> and why is that 18:53:50 <Ammler> ? 18:54:02 <SmatZ> ask CS I guess 18:54:26 <Ammler> Celestar? 18:54:33 <SmatZ> no, Chris Sawyer :) 18:54:38 <Ammler> :-) 18:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> in TT original, power stations and forests never disappeared 18:55:51 <Ammler> but could considered as bug, or was it intendend? 18:56:03 <welshdragon> maybe it might be good to have older power stations demolished after a time, and new ones built? 18:56:12 <frosch123> Ammler: set property 0B to something non-zero 18:56:57 <frosch123> same applies to both banks and water towers 18:56:59 <Ammler> frosch123: I speak about default (non-newgrf) industries 18:57:18 <frosch123> what is the difference ? 18:57:55 <frosch123> the default value of property 0B is 0 for those four industries 18:58:14 <Ammler> and idea why? 18:58:55 <SmatZ> it was designed this way 18:59:06 <SmatZ> default value = value of original industry 19:00:04 <SmatZ> any NewGRF may override this value... 19:00:49 *** Omega2 [~chatzilla@200-193-226-116.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:01:08 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:47 <Ammler> the problem is, because we have a long starting phase, players tend to produce scenarios with many industries so there are some left until the main game begins. 19:02:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14285 /trunk/src/ (train_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_func.h): -Fix [FS#2263]: A train inside a wormhole could free the reservation of another train inside the wormhole. 19:04:03 <Ammler> wormhole=bridge/tunnel? 19:04:59 <Zuu> As far as I know. 19:05:27 <Zuu> I think depots might be concidered wormwholes too, but I'm not sure when it comes to code. 19:05:57 <Zuu> But brigdes and tunnels are wormholes. 19:07:33 <Ammler> might it be that powerstations need to have property 0 because if they don't produce something? 19:07:51 <Ammler> -if 19:09:30 *** Omega2_ [~chatzilla@201.34.230.211] has joined #openttd 19:09:46 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: forest has 2 19:09:57 <Zuu> Or it was to diferentate the industries and make some easier than other. 19:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: it was probably changed in TTD 19:10:33 <frosch123> Ammler: temperate bank has 0 and produces something 19:11:00 <frosch123> but hey do no change production IIRC 19:12:08 <Ammler> frosch123: but production is very low for banks 19:13:11 *** Omega2 [~chatzilla@200-193-226-116.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 19:13:13 *** Omega2_ is now known as Omega2 19:16:48 <Belugas> [14:56] <Ammler> frosch123: I speak about default (non-newgrf) industries <--- industry properties will not change. they are as they are and will remain as such. This makes it so that newgrf compliance is enforced and maintained 19:17:34 <Ammler> Belugas: I know and agree, I was wondering if there is a reason. 19:17:44 <Belugas> now you have the reason :) 19:17:47 <Belugas> plus... 19:17:58 <peter1138> The reason is; that's how it is. 19:18:08 <Ammler> well, but not from you :-) 19:18:15 <Belugas> we did not worked our butt for so long on newinduistries to change bhaviours/values by no-newgrf 19:18:35 <Ammler> you got me wrong 19:18:57 <Belugas> apart from maybe doing funy stuff like adding more acceptance/production cargos ... 19:19:01 <Belugas> when really bored... 19:19:41 <Ammler> me is just wondering, if I or someone would make a grf with that property >0, would that have a bad side effect? 19:20:40 <Ammler> as disapearing PowerStations, whcih are serviced with coal. 19:20:50 <peter1138> Well, you can try it. 19:21:15 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-42-180-23.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 19:21:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14286 /trunk/src/yapf/ (yapf_node_rail.hpp yapf_rail.cpp): -Fix [FS#2265]: If a change of conventional/electric rail coincided with the start of a station platform, stale reservations could be left behind. 19:23:34 <Belugas> Ammler, it will not crash the game for sure. 19:23:52 <Belugas> it will just have different behaviour that waht you are accustomed to 19:24:10 <Belugas> as peter1138 said, try it and you will see 19:24:10 <frosch123> [21:25] <Belugas> Ammler, it will not crash the game for sure. <- never promise such things :) 19:24:12 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:24 <SmatZ> frosch123: exactly my thoguhts ;) 19:24:24 <Ammler> like pikkas town grf :-P 19:25:21 <Belugas> mmh? 19:25:30 <Sacro> hi 19:31:15 <Belugas> hello Sacro :) 19:31:54 *** qkr [qkr@a91-153-49-185.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 19:33:11 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:20 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-42-180-23.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:38 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 19:45:16 <ln> Rubidium: i was told by someone who codes with Cocoa for living that calling a method with unknown arguments would result in a runtime exception. 19:50:45 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 19:51:05 <Ammler> another reason for focus to dos palette: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Industries#Map_colour_19_ 19:52:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F370.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:56:33 * Belugas shakes his head in disbelief 19:59:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:59:41 <Wolf01> 'night 19:59:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:59:59 <ln> see, for italian "" is not "". 20:06:37 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-125-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:40 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:10:50 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D652.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:05 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:11:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:22 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:12:33 * davis- gn 20:13:22 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28B193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-230-95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:17:02 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:17:26 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 20:17:48 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.247] has joined #openttd 20:18:07 <nicfer> one question, does work opengrf.obg in 0.6.2? 20:18:28 <Ammler> no 20:18:54 <nicfer> the only solution for it is renaming files right? 20:19:46 <Noldo> FooBar makes me sad :/ 20:20:35 <Ammler> nicfer: should work 20:20:52 <Ammler> and ignore the "corrupt" messages about... 20:22:47 <peter1138> "does opengrf.obg work" ... 20:22:50 <stillunknown> Noldo: the music player? 20:23:03 <Noldo> stillunknown: the forum user 20:23:06 <peter1138> One day, you'll all speak English properly... WHEN I RULE THE EARTH, MUWAHAHAHAHA 20:23:11 <Ammler> :-) 20:23:47 <Ammler> peter1138: I am thankful for that, really. 20:23:52 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D652.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 20:24:43 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@70.81-167-169.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:11 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:28:43 <TrueBrain> I wonder if peter1138 forgot his pill today .. 20:31:11 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.148.92.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:41 <Belugas> naaa... he stole mine! 20:32:42 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: poef! nyahahaha] 20:33:14 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226155218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 20:35:16 <nckomodo> <@peter1138> One day, you'll all speak English properly... WHEN I RULE THE EARTH, MUWAHAHAHAHA 20:35:28 <nckomodo> You'd better get cracking, LHC switches on tomorrow 20:37:07 <FauxFaux> No it doesn't. 20:37:20 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9F8A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:38:26 <FauxFaux> (http://synthesismagazine.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/large_hardon_collider.jpg nsfw) 20:38:50 <nckomodo> http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=lhc-to-switch-on-early-tomorrow-ami-2008-09-09 20:39:03 <nckomodo> I believe it does 20:39:16 <peter1138> nckomodo, I'm counting on the LHC to create the alternate universe where I am the ruler. 20:39:19 <Rubidium> it's already "on" for a very long time... 20:39:25 <FauxFaux> My highly reliable source of some guy saying it doesn't says otheriwse! 20:39:32 <nckomodo> peter1138 good plan 20:40:37 <nckomodo> hahahah 20:40:49 <nckomodo> "Seamen Willstain"'s comment 20:40:56 <nckomodo> hell, his name alone is worth a laugh 20:41:00 <Belugas> alternate universe? alternate reality? I'm IN! 20:41:05 <nckomodo> possibly a laugh n a half 20:41:17 <ln> peter1138: a ruler with centimeters or inches? 20:41:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: one with less realism? 20:41:42 <Rubidium> with centipeters ofcourse! 20:42:15 <peter1138> Don't they have both still? 20:42:39 <Belugas> one that has less work@work for sure! none at all woulod be even better! 20:42:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i think one of mine had 20:47:23 <dih> Eddi|zuHause: where did you get "FahrstraÃensignale" from? 20:47:46 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: from the old PBS patch, i think 20:48:29 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FahrstraÃe 20:48:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe18a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's exactly what a PBS signal does, it forces the switches into position, so that a train cannot alter its route, plus some additional stuff to make sure that other trains cannot cross this path 20:50:33 *** MN9w249D1 [~MN9w249D1@p5B21CF06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:43 *** MN9w249D1 is now known as jinxjinxsen 20:50:46 <jinxjinxsen> hi 20:51:00 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:31 <jinxjinxsen> what is the default startdate for a ottd game? 20:51:51 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:56 <Zuu> 1950 I think 20:52:10 <Zuu> for "normal" climate at least. 20:52:54 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:53:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:09 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:53:21 <jinxjinxsen> the first vehicle is created in the year 1925 right? 20:54:38 <jinxjinxsen> so why is it possible to start a game in 1600 or something else below 1925? 20:55:02 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 20:55:04 <Rubidium> because one can write graphics replacements with vehicles for said ages 20:55:08 <Zuu> I don't know, I think it depends on climate, what the first vehicle is. But you need to be close to 1950 unless you use some newGRFs with newer vehicles. 20:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause> because newgrf sets can provide vehicles for that time 20:55:33 <jinxjinxsen> oh, thank you 20:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause> some newgrf sets provide horse carriages, or sailboats 20:56:54 <jinxjinxsen> for a default ottd game without additional newgrf sets the default startdate should be 1925? :) 20:58:59 <Rubidium> no 1950 21:00:00 <TrueBrain> hmm.. the good old days 21:00:43 <Eddi|zuHause> in "the good old days", games began in 1930 21:00:57 <TrueBrain> no, that version as not good 21:01:00 <TrueBrain> the D was better 21:01:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but there were more early engines 21:01:15 <TrueBrain> I hate early 21:02:32 <TrueBrain> now I want a good movie to watch 21:03:48 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 21:03:55 <Rubidium> vantage point? 21:04:00 <TrueBrain> seen it 21:04:12 <Rubidium> not the one with supplemental Japanese subtitles 21:04:31 <Zuu> Try some sign language movies at youtube :) 21:04:44 <TrueBrain> you should watch the movies about 'the end of the world' 21:04:50 <TrueBrain> tomorrow the new thing in CERN startsup 21:04:59 <TrueBrain> and 'many' people are protesting AGAIN that it will mean the end of the world 21:05:07 <TrueBrain> (their search for the Higgs particle, that is) 21:05:15 <TrueBrain> possible tiny blackholes will be created 21:05:26 <TrueBrain> which WILL SLURP THE EARTH INTO IT, AND WE ALL DIE! 21:05:28 <Rubidium> too bad the protesters logic is flawed 21:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> is not! 21:05:45 <TrueBrain> even more if they say: If you destroy the earth, I I I .. .I KILL YOU! 21:05:49 <Rubidium> the first run, i.e. the one tomorrow, will have less force than the ones conducted up till now 21:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the world will really end this way! 21:06:04 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the ones up till now were not protons ;) 21:06:05 <Rubidium> the run in a month will be at full speed/energy 21:06:21 <TrueBrain> (well, for CERN that is :p) 21:06:38 <TrueBrain> if they abort a run, protons of high energy are ejected in a big block of lead 21:06:49 <TrueBrain> which instant becomes radioactive (I still hope it becomes gold, but that is impossible, they told me :() 21:06:54 <TrueBrain> now they also complain about that .. 21:07:03 <TrueBrain> but the leaks in the France reactors of last month, that is all okay ... 21:07:23 <TrueBrain> and the worst: people are going to court to stop CERN from doing the trail ... 21:07:24 <TrueBrain> COME ON! 21:07:31 <TrueBrain> trial trail .. 21:07:33 <TrueBrain> well, pick one 21:07:59 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:08:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: ps: at full speed they won't be for a long time ;) They start with low energies, and will increase the energy to higher and higher levels over time .. will take a few months ;) 21:08:09 <TrueBrain> but I get what you mean :) 21:08:29 <ln> at what time does it start? 21:08:47 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 21:09:07 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and if the world would end this way, at least it will be quick 21:09:40 <Rubidium> a well, in a month they expect to be doing "high energy" collisions 21:09:51 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: that is better phrased, yes :) 21:10:06 <TrueBrain> as long as they don't loose vacuum, it should go pretty rapidly 21:11:30 *** FauxFaux was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [never do that again] 21:11:45 * glx was reading backlog ;) 21:11:52 <Rubidium> did I miss something? 21:12:04 <glx> the link he posted 21:12:27 <ln> you want to miss it. 21:13:00 <glx> indeed 21:13:59 <welshdragon> indeed, that link was bad 21:15:28 *** jinxjinxsen [~MN9w249D1@p5B21CF06.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 21:15:50 *** Omega2 [~chatzilla@201.34.230.211] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 21:16:08 <TrueBrain> What happens If i were in the CERN TUnnel during the particle flows and collisions? 21:16:08 <TrueBrain> 1. What happens if i were to stand in the 27km tunnel of CERN while the PROTONS are being fired in 1 direction? 21:16:08 <TrueBrain> 2. What happens if i were standing in the 27km tunnel of CERN while protons were being fired in both directION? 21:16:08 <TrueBrain> What would happen to me? 21:16:12 <TrueBrain> LOL!!! 21:16:17 <TrueBrain> what a question ;) 21:16:25 <eekee> haha 21:16:29 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:30 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-113-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 21:16:33 *** Leif_ [Zuu@c-1e3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:16:43 <TrueBrain> inside the tube: YOU DIE (vacuum) 21:16:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-113-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:16:48 <TrueBrain> well, you don't fit in the tube, but okay 21:16:58 <TrueBrain> in the tunnels ... you don't want to know :p 21:17:06 *** Zuu is now known as Guest6125 21:17:07 *** Leif_ is now known as Zuu 21:18:47 <Rubidium> it's pretty chilly in the tunnels I reckon 21:19:02 <TrueBrain> enough helium to cool your brains, yes yes :p 21:19:25 <eekee> other particle accelerators had tunnels accessible for maintainance 21:19:27 <TrueBrain> but the tubes itself are only 1.9K 21:19:34 <TrueBrain> so the tunnel should be slightly hotter :p 21:19:38 <TrueBrain> eekee: only when offline ;) 21:19:44 <eekee> of course :) 21:20:02 <TrueBrain> when a supercondocter breaks, they shut down the thing, and someone is sent to repair it ;) 21:20:09 <TrueBrain> (byebye vacuum .. hello 1 week waiting time :p) 21:20:19 <Rubidium> 1 week? 21:20:28 <Rubidium> I read something much longer somewhere else 21:20:32 <TrueBrain> dependng on the tube 21:20:40 <TrueBrain> CERN LHC is 3 weeks or something? 21:20:43 <TrueBrain> well, in that order :p 21:20:51 <Rubidium> they had to slowly bring it back to "room" temperature and such 21:20:52 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:22 <TrueBrain> but okay, if we don't speak again after 0730 UTC, ... there was a blackhole who slurped the earth ;) 21:21:51 <eekee> mmhmm :) 21:22:05 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 21:23:24 <SpComb> hmm, they do the next test at 0730 UTC? 21:23:30 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:30 <TrueBrain> tomorrow, yes 21:23:40 *** Guest6125 [Zuu@c-1e3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:46 <SpComb> time to blow your life savings on hookers and poker 21:23:57 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 21:24:07 <TrueBrain> and then nothing happens ;) 21:24:15 <welshdragon> SpComb, no, hookers and blackjack 21:25:01 <ln> openttd with hookers 21:25:07 <eekee> ahaha 21:25:35 <eekee> I was wonderng what I would spend my life savings on. I couldn't decide, but then I don't have any life savings so... 21:25:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:02 <eekee> actually there's always the theft option. I'd steal a supercar 21:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause> when was the last apocalypse? 21:26:37 <eekee> uhm... *thinks* :ß 21:26:40 <TrueBrain> 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004 ... which one do you want? :p 21:26:41 <dih> what is STR_01D8_EZY_STREET 21:26:47 <TrueBrain> (all related to NEW YEAR 'events') 21:26:58 <ln> 31th dec 1999 23:59:59 21:27:15 <TrueBrain> weren't there a bunch of people 'rescued' from a cave, as they were hiding there for the end of time .. October this year? 21:27:25 <ln> all systems failed, the earth was without electricity for months 21:27:37 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 21:27:54 <dih> "Ezy Street" have no idea what to do with that! :-S 21:28:35 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Yea, I remember that cave too. 21:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: it's in the music player 21:28:48 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 21:29:29 <dih> thanks Eddi|zuHause 21:30:10 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: it's one of the playlist presets 21:30:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:32:16 <ln> i wants a tv that can sync to 60 hz 21:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't NTSC 60Hz? 21:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> probably need a 60Hz power supply to do that properly ;) 21:34:33 <eekee> erm, multi-sync TVs have been common for a long time now, at least in Britain 21:36:54 <TrueBrain> "The NTSC field refresh frequency was originally exactly 60 Hz in the black-and-white system, chosen because it matched the nominal 60 Hz frequency of alternating current power used in the United States." 21:37:26 <eekee> syncing to the power supply hasn't been necessary for years 21:37:45 <TrueBrain> eekee: neither are black and white systems still widely available ;) 21:38:27 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:32 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 21:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't had a TV in years now... 21:39:00 <TrueBrain> I have a 30" TV :) 21:39:04 <TrueBrain> 32" even .. 21:39:14 <SpComb> I haven't had a non-mobile phone for three years 21:39:17 <TrueBrain> Jerimiah40: please stop timing out :p 21:39:27 <TrueBrain> SpComb: me neither :p 21:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a 22" TFT, that must suffice for a while ;) 21:39:42 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: many many PAL TVs can sync to 60 Hz, but not mine. and it isn't even directly related to how expensive the tv has been originally, even cheap ones can be capable. 21:39:51 * SpComb still only has two 19" TFTs 21:39:55 <eekee> I haven't had a non-mobile phone in over 10 years, and... nope, I've never had a TV 21:39:58 <TrueBrain> I have a computer with 2 17" screens ... I either want 2 19", or 3 17" .. not sure yet .. 21:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no use for a phone... 21:40:21 <SpComb> I need to upgrade to 24" + 19" or something at some point 21:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> mobile or not... 21:40:37 <ln> you never call anyone? 21:40:45 <eekee> I have 1 17" and 1 20". Have tried to get a 15" working with them, but no joy 21:40:48 <SpComb> people tend to usually call me, rather than the other way around 21:40:51 <murray> http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ 21:41:05 <TrueBrain> LOL @ murray 21:41:10 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: i hate asymmetry 21:41:18 <eekee> :D 21:41:27 <TrueBrain> <!-- if the lhc actually destroys the earth & this page isn't yet updated 21:41:27 <TrueBrain> please email mike@frantic.org to receive a full refund --> 21:41:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80AB4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 21:41:40 <eekee> haha 21:41:41 <SpComb> it uses an interesting metric to determine that 21:41:53 <SpComb> if (!(typeof worldHasEnded == "undefined")) { 21:41:53 <SpComb> document.write("YUP."); 21:42:36 <eekee> I have different uses for different monitors. The 20" is my game & work space, & the 17" currently does chat & a few TTYS. I want to move chat to the 15" and use the 17" for web browsing & documentation 21:43:29 <ln> everyone started telling how many inch they are after i only mentioned TV. 21:43:54 <Eddi|zuHause> http://quegrande.org/countdown/ 21:44:11 <TrueBrain> why do people use youtube to just show you big pages of TEXT 21:44:34 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: the timer seems wrong :p 21:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: are they at least photographed on a wooden table? 21:44:57 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: yeah, looks strange 21:44:59 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: "01 DAYS, 11 HOURS"?? 21:45:08 <TrueBrain> 11the, 12 o'clock 21:45:11 <TrueBrain> I think he was confused with the WTC :p 21:45:13 <SpComb> huh, I thought it was tomorrow morning 21:45:22 <ln> so did i 21:45:24 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they're counting the second run ;) 21:45:57 <SpComb> what second run? 21:45:58 * dih likes seeing TrueBrain in this channel ;-) 21:46:27 <ln> the thing is i can't play Super Mario Lost Levels because my TV doesn't support 60 Hz. not funny. 21:46:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "documentation"?? what is that? 21:46:42 <TrueBrain> second run takes a while longer ;) 21:46:51 <TrueBrain> but okay, some random date after the initial start .. :p 21:47:55 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> I think he was confused with the WTC :p <- but that was at 13 UTC, i think 21:48:18 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: 9/11? 21:48:20 <TrueBrain> rings any bell? 21:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i seem to remember it was 15 o'clock local time 21:48:26 <TrueBrain> who cares about the time :p 21:48:28 <TrueBrain> haha 21:48:36 <TrueBrain> (sorry, misread you initially) 21:48:51 <Eddi|zuHause> which i know because i wanted to watch star trek 21:48:54 <TrueBrain> I know I shouldn't be doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM <- This is AMUZING (and very wrong .. if such event would happen, things would go slightly different :p) 21:49:54 <Zuu> good night 21:49:57 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-1e3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:50:05 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: how would thing go? 21:50:13 <SmatZ> s 21:50:45 <peter1138> . o O ( Why are you Europeans measuring monitor size in inches... ) 21:51:15 <glx> only monitors, TVs are in centimeters 21:51:20 <TrueBrain> peter1138: because I wanted it to make it easy for you 21:51:29 <TrueBrain> glx: monitors here are mixed, both inch and centimers 21:51:39 <TrueBrain> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r14bygDSz4 <- same thing, cool music :) 21:51:53 * TrueBrain stops posting youtube links ;) 21:52:00 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: more like: BOOM, SLURP 21:52:07 <SmatZ> hehe 21:52:26 <TrueBrain> anyway, I do hope a tiny blackhole is created 21:52:30 <TrueBrain> would be nice if they can detect it 21:52:37 <TrueBrain> finally puts that theory to a proven state :) 21:52:55 <TrueBrain> (and a blackhole of that size is completely harmless :)) 21:53:01 <SmatZ> "We have proven our theeeooorrrryyyyyyyyy".... SLURP! 21:53:09 <TrueBrain> the front of a train is more harmful ;) 21:53:16 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: lol, would be cool, yes ;) 21:53:40 <SmatZ> right, tiny blackholes appear and disappear everywhere (theory which name in English I don't know, but it is a solid one theory) 21:53:52 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: String-theory ;) 21:53:54 <TrueBrain> M-theory 21:53:56 <SmatZ> yeah :) 21:53:57 <TrueBrain> which ever one you favor :p 21:54:03 <TrueBrain> (10 or 11, you name it :p) 21:54:16 <TrueBrain> but this means we would CREATE them, which is slightly different ;) 21:54:35 <SmatZ> :) 21:54:53 <TrueBrain> people worry about very silly things 21:54:56 <TrueBrain> it amuzes me :) 21:54:59 <SmatZ> :-) 21:55:07 <peter1138> Yeah 21:55:09 <TrueBrain> nobody cares if we freeze a particle to close to 0 K 21:55:12 <peter1138> Like, shit, it's bed time... 21:55:16 <TrueBrain> (which theories state, if that happens, shit happens too) 21:55:21 <TrueBrain> peter1138: enjoy your bed ;) 21:55:47 *** FauxFaux [~faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:56:23 <SmatZ> :-) 21:57:25 <TrueBrain> "Donkey Xote", is it me, or does it sound boring? 21:57:42 <eekee> Boring! 21:58:22 <TrueBrain> I-See-You.com <- that is a cool movie :) 21:58:37 <TrueBrain> (and yes, that is the NAME of the movie, not their website (well, possible it is, but I wouldn't know) 21:59:39 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause> <peter1138> . o O ( Why are you Europeans measuring monitor size in inches... ) <- we don't, we measure them in "Zoll" ;) 22:00:38 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: one zoll, 2 zoll, 3 troll? 22:01:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, something like this ;) 22:01:08 <SmatZ> :-D 22:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> interestingly, measuring sticks here are called "Zollstock", even though they didn't have a "Zoll" scale in decades... 22:02:28 <TrueBrain> haha 22:02:35 <TrueBrain> "duimstok", same problem 22:02:50 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9F8A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 22:02:58 <Eddi|zuHause> what does that have to do with "Daumen" (thumb)? 22:03:09 <TrueBrain> thumb-stick, freely translated 22:03:13 <eekee> yardstick, only yards have only just falen out of favour 22:03:16 <TrueBrain> but 'thumb' as messurement ;) 22:03:39 <DaleStan> The original inch was the length of some portion of the king's thumb. 22:04:03 <TrueBrain> ('duim' is dutch for 'inch' I believe) 22:04:56 <TrueBrain> I like 'centimeter' :) 22:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> there were at least as many measuring units in germany as there were individual states... 22:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> which were up to 200 at one point :p 22:05:26 <ln> wasn't the original inch something like four grains of wheat placed next to each other. 22:05:33 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and you know them all? :) 22:05:35 <DaleStan> Only if the king wasn't available. 22:06:50 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070205]] 22:12:24 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.247] has left #openttd [] 22:19:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:26:08 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 22:27:26 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:20 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 22:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause> "(Revision 7886)" ... i didn't even know i have that ancient patches around... 22:31:39 <SmatZ> ? 22:31:43 <SmatZ> :) 22:31:46 <SmatZ> what does the patch do? 22:32:01 <Eddi|zuHause> change catchment area depending on station size 22:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like 3 lines ;) 22:43:30 <SmatZ> :) 22:43:49 <ln> who are you smiling at?!? 22:55:03 <SpComb> hmm, bad news 22:55:20 <TrueBrain> the world comes to an end? 22:55:22 <eekee> hmm? 22:57:06 <SmatZ> NOPE. 22:57:30 <eekee> damn. When's it going to end then? 22:58:01 <SpComb> according to the slashdot summary, it's between 09:00 and 18:00 22:58:09 <SpComb> although I can't figure out any reference for that 22:58:23 <eekee> ha ok 22:59:11 <TrueBrain> well, 7 hours remaining till the start-up .. 22:59:12 <TrueBrain> tick tack 23:00:19 <SpComb> but the cern page says that it'll be at 09:30 23:00:19 <TrueBrain> webcast, cool 23:00:31 <TrueBrain> SpComb: checktime-zone ;) 23:00:35 <TrueBrain> 0730 UTC 23:00:36 <TrueBrain> 0930 CEST 23:00:46 <SpComb> "The first injection of a beam is scheduled for 9:30 CET" 23:01:10 <TrueBrain> CET ... that is +0100 23:01:14 <TrueBrain> short: somewhere tomorrow :p 23:01:28 <ln> CET during summer is +0200 23:02:22 <SpComb> since we're talking about the end of the world, they really should give times in UTC 23:02:34 <SpComb> I mean, it's probably not going to be some kind of localized event 23:02:58 <TrueBrain> I doubt they can give it an exact time :p 23:02:59 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:03:04 <SmatZ> great, I will be sleeping by that time 23:03:06 * SpComb goes to sleep 23:03:10 <SmatZ> I think it is fine to die while sleeping 23:03:10 <TrueBrain> night :) 23:03:13 <SmatZ> nn SpComb 23:03:15 <TrueBrain> talk to you tomorrow ;) 23:03:28 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: No, due to relativistic effects it'll be all times. 23:03:37 <TrueBrain> lol @ Prof_Frink :) 23:03:47 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 23:03:47 <SmatZ> !logs 23:04:13 <SmatZ> it will never happen :-P 23:06:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80AB4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:06:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:08:44 <glx> no collision planed for tomorrow 23:08:57 <glx> will be in 4 weeks 23:10:03 * SmatZ plans to enjoy (possibly) last 4 weeks of his life 23:10:07 <TrueBrain> glx: now I won't sleep for the next 4 weeks :( 23:10:38 <SmatZ> hmm leave school, build a house, plant a tree, give birth a child... 23:10:41 <SmatZ> not time 23:10:43 <SmatZ> -t 23:11:00 <eekee> :J 23:11:44 <TrueBrain> child part ... 23:11:50 <TrueBrain> the rest is doable 23:11:57 <TrueBrain> well, you would be able to give birth to a child 23:12:00 <SmatZ> :) 23:12:01 <TrueBrain> if you would help a female 23:12:05 <TrueBrain> I doubt you can do it yourself :p 23:12:15 <SmatZ> true true :) 23:12:26 <SmatZ> but ...6 mounths at least 23:12:32 <SmatZ> > 4 weeks 23:12:35 <TrueBrain> and in 4 weeks you can try to make one like 56 times :p 23:12:47 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: just go to any hospital and help a random female giving birth to a child 23:12:50 <TrueBrain> can be done in 12 hours :p 23:13:02 <SmatZ> if she hasn't been pregnant for 5 months already, what I doubt 23:13:05 <SmatZ> hehehe 23:16:10 <TrueBrain> whoho, I have a running Darwin8 install 23:16:14 <TrueBrain> no good what that does .. 23:16:17 <TrueBrain> but it runs! :p 23:16:56 <eekee> :) 23:17:02 <SmatZ> :-) 23:17:05 <SmatZ> I can run, too 23:17:09 <TrueBrain> bypassing the root login on Darwin8 is WAY too easy ... 23:17:28 <TrueBrain> (F8 on bootup, -s, wait till it is done, 'sh /etc/rc', and you are done ...) 23:17:50 <SmatZ> you dirty hacker :-P 23:17:57 <TrueBrain> maybe I should try to make an OSX binary now .. 23:17:57 <eekee> There's a quote (iirc) in the unix hater's handbook, to the effect that the flaws of unix are offset by the sense of achievement felt in getting it to work at all 23:18:03 <TrueBrain> just no idea how .. 23:18:26 <eekee> is SDL any good on OS X? 23:18:33 <TrueBrain> Cocoa for OSX 23:18:43 <TrueBrain> network doens't work 23:18:45 <TrueBrain> makes sense 23:19:55 <SmatZ> hmm wiki says 8.0 is 3,5 years old, 9.0 is 1 year old... 23:19:56 <eekee> If you can build for SDL on Darwin (with SDL using X), maybe it would also work when SDL is using Cocoa 23:20:00 <SmatZ> why did you install 8.0? 23:20:20 <TrueBrain> eekee: why? Isn't Cocoa in Darwin? :p 23:20:27 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: well, OS X 10.4 fails and 10.5 too 23:20:32 <eekee> oh I assumed not 23:20:35 <TrueBrain> so ... Rubidium thought it would be cool to use Darwin 23:20:38 <SmatZ> 10.4 fails? baad 23:20:40 <TrueBrain> which after some slapping works :p 23:20:45 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: well .. in a virtual env :p 23:20:49 <TrueBrain> not really legal or anything 23:20:51 <SmatZ> I thought only 10.5 fails 23:20:51 <TrueBrain> but we had to try 23:21:02 <SmatZ> :) 23:24:00 <TrueBrain> I first need a method to get SVN into this Darwin VM .. 23:24:05 <TrueBrain> not as simple as you might hope .. 23:25:19 <eekee> what's the VM software? 23:25:24 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 23:26:24 <TrueBrain> VirtualBox 23:26:44 <eekee> ah I don't know anything about that 23:27:54 <eekee> in qemu with software networking, you could just set up networking normally & go, if you're not wanting to run any daemons 23:28:12 <TrueBrain> if only I would have networking .. 23:28:31 <TrueBrain> mount doesn't work as the linux mount .. that is annoying .. 23:28:37 <eekee> o wierd 23:29:09 <TrueBrain> permission denied 23:29:10 <TrueBrain> lol 23:29:23 <eekee> you're root? 23:29:27 <TrueBrain> dah 23:29:35 <eekee> hrm 23:30:34 <TrueBrain> gha, found it 23:31:19 <TrueBrain> so now I can make a iso with the files on it .. 23:37:36 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:38 <TrueBrain> no 'CoreServices' ... 23:38:39 <TrueBrain> bah 23:38:42 <TrueBrain> the configure passed! 23:38:56 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 23:39:23 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 23:40:56 <TrueBrain> if only I had any idea what I was doing .. ;) 23:41:01 <eekee> :D 23:41:45 <SmatZ> :-) 23:43:25 <TrueBrain> I can produce a valid strgen 23:43:27 <TrueBrain> that is something :p 23:43:46 <TrueBrain> we need a configur eoption: --without-depcheck 23:43:54 <TrueBrain> completely useless for the compile-farm, in any and all ways 23:44:38 <eekee> it's not a normal autotools configure? 23:44:47 <TrueBrain> far far far far from it 23:44:52 <eekee> oh :( 23:44:58 <TrueBrain> you ever seen the lines: 'checking for stdlib.h ... yes' 23:45:01 <TrueBrain> no, it is not a :( 23:45:03 <TrueBrain> it is a :) :) :) 23:45:05 <eekee> o ok 23:45:10 <TrueBrain> autotools configure takes around 10 times longer 23:45:35 <TrueBrain> it checks EVERY aspect of your env (if it is sane and stuff) 23:45:39 <TrueBrain> well .. if a user can't set up a sane build env 23:45:40 <TrueBrain> fuck him 23:45:41 <SmatZ> --without-makedepend won't help? 23:45:56 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: 'makedepend' is a X11 tool which in fact speeds up dep-check with a big facto 23:45:57 <TrueBrain> r 23:46:00 <TrueBrain> without it .. it is even more slow 23:46:10 <TrueBrain> for now we created a 'fake' makedepend on the compile-farms 23:46:18 <TrueBrain> echo "# DO NOT DELETE" 23:46:20 <TrueBrain> is all it does :p 23:46:55 <eekee> hehe 23:47:44 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I don't have Endian32_Swap 23:48:14 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: well that was one of stupid uestions of mine... 23:48:36 <SmatZ> --without-makedepend helps on sunos though :) it won't build without it 23:48:43 <SmatZ> because of max_open_files, you know... 23:50:05 <TrueBrain> completely different problem ;) 23:50:21 <TrueBrain> oh no, not again a dep-check .. just becaus eI changed one silly file ... 23:50:24 <TrueBrain> (of course a core-file) 23:51:27 <glx> stdafx.h? 23:51:49 <SmatZ> as I said, sometimes I type stupid sentences / questions, sorry :-( (I hope not too often ;) 23:51:55 <SmatZ> hello glx 23:52:07 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: it isn't a stupid question; you just don't know how that part of OpenTTD works .. big deal 23:52:15 <TrueBrain> glx: related ;) bitmath_func.h 23:52:33 <TrueBrain> compiling again .. at the 'm' 23:52:33 <glx> english.txt is a nice one too 23:52:44 <TrueBrain> qtmidi fails .. not unexpected 23:52:47 <TrueBrain> I miss like ALL libraries :p 23:53:14 <TrueBrain> like QuickTime 23:54:38 <eekee> why would ottd need quicktime? 23:54:50 <TrueBrain> OSX requirement 23:54:52 <TrueBrain> for music 23:55:03 <eekee> oh :o 23:55:41 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 23:56:26 <TrueBrain> problem with Darwin, it only contains the open source parts of OSX (if I understand it correctly) 23:56:43 <eekee> yeah 23:57:39 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 23:57:40 <eekee> on a totally different matter, sometimes with PBS I need to make a peice of track one-way without putting signals on it. 23:57:59 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: that's the problem... I (think) I know how makedepend works, but that fact doesn't me stop from asking stupid questions... just forget it :-) 23:58:23 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I 10 times rather have you asking silly questions, then you never asking them at all :p 23:58:29 <SmatZ> ok :-) 23:58:34 <TrueBrain> now you know what makedepend does, and what --without-makedepend does :p 23:58:52 * SmatZ hides