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00:00:55 <thingwath> or just anything, as long as there are pretty pictures 00:01:37 <Eddi|zuHause> "(11) Die Diplomarbeit soll in deutscher oder englischer Sprache abgefasst werden." 00:02:29 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179200129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:29 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 00:11:32 <Celestar> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3471 <= LOL, read the BIOS section (= 00:15:05 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 00:15:10 <Celestar> this is downright alarming 00:15:37 <Gekz> lol 00:15:40 <Gekz> it doesnt shock me 00:15:41 <Gekz> :/ 00:15:49 <Gekz> this is why MacBooks are superior 00:15:56 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:15:57 <glx> not worse than adsl boxes firmwares 00:17:26 <Celestar> Gekz: well, I've never had any of those problems with hardware from proper manufacturers eithers (= 00:17:43 <Celestar> e.g. Sun Servers and Workstations 00:19:59 *** tokai 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*** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@62.210.91.187] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:39:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14659 /trunk/config.lib: -Add: in case Thief^ (forum user) ever tries what he thinks he will try when he doesn't know it is --prefix-dir, make sure he also gets what he assumes he gets :) 00:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause> lmao :p 00:43:51 *** rubyruy [~ruy@S0106000c6e57c851.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 00:46:16 <benjamingoodger> heheheh 00:46:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet602.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 00:59:37 <Rexxie> best commit message ever 00:59:42 *** Rexxie is now known as Rexxars 01:00:16 <benjamingoodger> absolument 01:00:42 * benjamingoodger now feels a tiny bit flat... 01:05:18 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 01:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> hm no, i believe there were better ones 01:11:08 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 01:11:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has 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<Forked> the land of oil! (Norway) 07:55:37 <NoPride> <- australia 07:55:55 <NoPride> the land of kangaroos 07:55:59 <NoPride> :) 07:56:56 <Alberth> anybody any experience with cargodest + transport of other cargo than passengers/mail? 07:57:59 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 07:59:05 <Alberth> I am figuring out how to lay tracks, stations, and trains to do this efficient 08:03:34 <NoPride> im trying to work out my dedicated server 08:08:47 <Brianetta> They're pretty easy 08:09:55 <Brianetta> gtg, wife's getting up 08:09:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-148-143.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 08:52:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:59:11 *** NoPride [~NoPride@dsl-202-72-182-158.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 09:05:59 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:06:13 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:20 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:15:12 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:21:58 *** George__ [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 09:24:32 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm138.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:26:25 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:58 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 09:28:56 *** George___ [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 09:29:59 *** George___ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [] 09:31:24 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:25 *** George___ [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 09:35:00 *** George__ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:25 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:54 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:55:21 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 09:56:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FCD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:28 *** George___ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:25 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:01 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179206254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:33:52 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:47:37 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 11:03:20 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:06:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:06:46 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:59 <Wolf01> hello 11:08:46 *** George__ [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 11:09:08 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:10:31 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:10:44 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 11:17:23 *** George__ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:14 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:47 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:21:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:35:09 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:47:49 *** Terkhen [~ircap@50.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 11:47:54 <Terkhen> good morning 11:55:45 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-away 12:05:23 <Alberth> such fun, trying to compile an old openttd revision. Compile warnings all over the place, and even an error. 12:06:47 <Rubidium> back then it probably compiled fine with the back then latest gcc 12:06:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:09:17 <Alberth> did we already use g++ for 11353? (error was about a non-allowed 'static' storage class in a template specialization) 12:09:53 <Rubidium> yes, since somewhere 7500-ish everything's c++ and a few thousands revs before yapf got added 12:10:35 <Alberth> a very long time ago thus :) 12:19:54 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 12:31:55 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:34:15 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:34 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:43:17 <SmatZ> Alberth: it's a gcc-4.3 specific bug 12:43:39 <SmatZ> it compiles with no problem with older gcc 12:44:27 <SmatZ> similiar, older revisions' ./configure fails with --with-ccache or --with-distcc with recent cut 12:44:58 <SmatZ> and very old revisions fail to compile minilzo.c 12:44:59 <mrfrenzy> this is not really a bug ;) 12:45:17 <SmatZ> true :) 12:46:01 <yorick> they released a new mingw-win32api today :) 12:46:05 * yorick goes updating 12:46:20 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:46:45 <Alberth> SmatZ: fix was easy enough, I simply removed the storage class. I was just surprised to see all those warnings. Apparently compilers got better at recognizing smelly code. 12:51:07 <SmatZ> Alberth: "all those warnings"? I think there weren't many, apart from this one just "mode might be clobbered by setjmp/longjmp" or so 12:51:28 <SmatZ> and of course, gcc 4.2 added "-fstrict-overflow" as default compile parameter 12:52:03 <SmatZ> so there are many warnings "assuming X + 1 > X at line blahblah" with older revision... 12:52:43 <SmatZ> Alberth: 12:52:53 <Alberth> SmatZ: a few 'for(...);' statements in a .h file 12:53:11 <SmatZ> errr... gcc 4.4 gives warning about possible freeing static variable... I could find any way it could be freed though 12:53:18 <SmatZ> Alberth: true, I forgot about it :) 12:53:31 <SmatZ> *couldn't 12:53:47 <SmatZ> if you find the way how it can be freed, then report it as a bug :) 12:53:48 <Alberth> SmatZ: maybe at app shutdown? 12:54:37 <SmatZ> Alberth: yeah, but I couldn't find any way how it can happen, because the pointer is soon overwritten by dynamically allocated memory 12:54:42 <SmatZ> I think gcc does only static analysis 12:54:56 <Alberth> probably 12:54:56 <SmatZ> but I didn't spend much time trying to find the problem 12:55:56 <Alberth> still using 4.3, so no freeing of static variables here :D 12:56:24 <yorick> no 4.4 for windows released yet 12:56:38 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/177404 this kind 12:56:47 <SmatZ> yeah, it is gcc 4.4 alpha :) 12:56:50 <SmatZ> nightly build :) 12:57:13 <yorick> it is even 4.3 alpha-experimental-warning-dontuse here 12:57:25 <SmatZ> hehe 12:57:31 <yorick> works like a charm :) 12:57:49 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/177405 my compilers :) 12:58:02 <SmatZ> no 2.95 at this amd64 machine... 12:58:10 <SmatZ> but I have one in my x86 chroot ;) 12:58:39 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/177406 there 12:59:40 <yorick> "gcc version 4.3.0 20080305 (alpha-testing) mingw-20080502 (GCC)" <-- full version name :p 13:00:06 <SmatZ> :-D 13:00:25 <Rubidium> no fancy compilers? 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13:29:59 <yorick> ... 13:30:05 <yorick> it can't build without a shell 13:30:17 <yorick> and I can't build a shell without gnulibc 13:30:57 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 13:31:14 * yorick hides 13:31:28 <TrueBrain> wise 13:31:43 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Dat dus, Poef!] 13:31:47 <SmatZ> heh @ Rubidium's DOS compilers :) 13:32:13 <SmatZ> hello wise TrueBrain 13:33:04 <TrueBrain> hello smart SmatZ :) 13:38:47 <Alberth> yorick: building something as low level as libc makes me think of the days you did everything yourself, including assembling a computer out of a set of components, and bootstrapping the new machine from floppies :) 13:41:00 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: CIA-1, mikegrb, vraa, izhirahider 13:41:03 *** izhirahider [~izzy@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:18 *** Netsplit over, joins: mikegrb 13:42:39 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 13:43:18 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 13:43:53 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:46:14 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:05 *** vraa [~vraa@h178.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 13:51:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc0c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:56:34 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:57:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:01 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:16 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 13:59:41 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:12:11 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 14:13:02 <Fantasya> evening star 14:15:02 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:46 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 14:20:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.117] has joined #openttd 14:21:22 <Singaporekid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_92220_Evening_Star 14:26:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-159-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:34:24 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FCEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:32 <fjb> Hello 14:35:03 <frosch123> moin 14:35:06 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.117] has joined #openttd 14:38:41 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:06 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 14:40:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@89.246.192.242] has joined #openttd 14:43:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B806A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:47:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:46 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 14:52:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B806A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 14:52:49 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:02 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:35 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:05:57 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:06:32 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm138.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:34 *** Zuu is now known as Guest733 15:08:10 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:11:38 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C857.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:46 *** Guest733 is now known as Zuu 15:15:30 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FCEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:12 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 15:36:16 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet602.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:39:56 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@user-5445016b.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:46:56 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@user-5445016b.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 15:47:30 <Aali> Zuu 15:47:31 <Aali> ! 15:47:49 <Zuu> Hi 15:48:26 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:53 <Zuu> Yes? 15:49:27 <Aali> I have a very annoying problem with your filter sign list patch 15:49:40 <Aali> Any and all new windows steal focus from the console 15:50:01 <Zuu> Hmm, that is indeed annoying 15:50:07 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-151-217.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:11 <Zuu> Possible because the console is not a text edit widget. 15:50:17 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-143-232.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:52 <Zuu> So there are special cases for it to work. Probably there is no special case in open window code that checks if console is open or not. 15:51:03 <Aali> That's what I figured. 15:51:49 <Aali> However, others claim to not have this issue with the same version of the patch. 15:52:17 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:53:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:54:16 <Zuu> I was just thinking about scrap the focus stuff, well the patch will be on flyspray if anyone want to work on it. But instead use a query window, to make the patch much more simple and possible even able to reach trunk. 15:55:36 <Aali> The widget focus patch is great though :/ 15:55:42 <Zuu> Well, I want to say, I have not gave up focus stuff, but I've came to the conclusion that it will take me to much time to get every aspect of it 100% compatible with the thoughts of the devs. 15:56:06 <Zuu> Nice to hear you liked it though. :) 15:57:47 <Zuu> Anything more than the console that annoys you about it? 15:57:53 <Aali> I'll just hack something in to fix this issue myself for the time being. 15:57:57 <Aali> Not really. 15:58:05 <Zuu> Glad to hear 15:58:11 <Aali> Everything else just works. 15:59:05 <Zuu> I fixed the issue of newspapers steeling focus by make new windows only steel focus if no text-edit box has focus. But apparently I forgot to make a special check for the console. 15:59:48 <Zuu> Well, steel focus is not the right word if no text edit has focus :-) , but I hope you get the point 16:00:38 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 16:05:26 <Zuu> My opinion is that either OpenTTD has to continue use query windows for expanding use of text editing in windows, or some kind of focus-patch and later also change to allow multiple edit boxes per window is needed. 16:07:23 <Zuu> The lazy approach I think is to continue using query window. Possible with some extensions to it, but still having a special purpose window only for editing strings. 16:18:46 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:13 <Zuu> Aali: I can confirm your problems with a clear checkout. 16:20:15 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:24 <Belugas> query window for methanks 16:22:55 <petern> teal! 16:22:57 <petern> sigh 16:22:59 <petern> *steal! 16:24:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:29:21 *** Netsplit galapagos.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: eQualizer, Dred_furst, DASPRiD, PierreW, DephNet[Paul], Splex, DaleStan, lobster, svippy, Zorn, (+48 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 16:29:36 *** Netsplit over, joins: @petern, Lakie, @Belugas, DaleStan, Purno, mikegrb, guru3, archjb, Kloopy_, PierreW (+47 more) 16:29:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: wgrant 16:30:27 *** ecke 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<Sacro_> continueing implies arriving 18:24:11 <Sacro_> you have to arrive to continue onwards 18:25:02 <benjamingoodger> s/arriving/alighting 18:25:18 <Sacro_> s/$// 18:25:27 <benjamingoodger> eh? 18:25:27 <Sacro_> errm 18:25:31 <Sacro_> s/$/\// 18:25:48 <Sacro_> benjamingoodger: Error: unterminated sed command 18:26:04 <benjamingoodger> s/arriving/alighting/ 18:26:39 <Sacro_> better :p 18:26:49 <Sacro_> yes 18:27:02 <Sacro_> {0} passengers alighting, {1} passengers continuing 18:27:09 <benjamingoodger> *nod* 18:27:20 <Sacro_> ccfreak2k: that your patch? 18:36:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-148-143.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so... what did the Nikolaus bring you people? 18:57:34 <Sacro_> Eddi|zuHause: german tradition only iirc 18:57:42 <Sacro_> though actually, might be norway too 18:57:45 <Sacro_> and finland 18:57:46 <benjamingoodger> erm... 18:57:54 <benjamingoodger> yes, I'll agree with that 18:57:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it is also known in the netherlands and belgium, afaik 18:58:13 <benjamingoodger> we have a st nicolas's day, but that's on the 25th 18:58:18 * Sacro_ waves hi to the german police via Eddi|zuHause's computer 18:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause> afair that law did not pass 18:59:14 <benjamingoodger> oh, no, I'm wrong 18:59:19 <benjamingoodger> st nicolas's day is today 18:59:22 <petern> what law? 18:59:25 <benjamingoodger> we still don't celebrate it with gifts 18:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that the federal police may spy secretly on people's computers 19:00:13 <petern> ah, nice 19:00:21 <petern> "if you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide!" 19:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something like that 19:02:00 <Eddi|zuHause> the latest status i knew was that it passed the "Bundestag" [Parliament], but failed in the "Bundesrat" [representation of the "LÀnder"] 19:11:25 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:34:35 <Splex> 'May'??? 19:34:37 <Splex> lol 19:35:49 <Splex> its pretty safe to say that it is a global certainty. 19:40:23 <benjamingoodger> LÀnder? 19:40:56 <benjamingoodger> ah... 19:41:13 <benjamingoodger> "Countries" 19:43:54 <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: in this special case, the 16 "LÀnder" that constitute the federal republic of germany... roughly comparable that the USA are made of "states" 19:44:23 <benjamingoodger> yes, I understand 19:45:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B806A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:45:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:45:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but the "bundesrat" has no direct counterpart in the USA 19:46:13 <benjamingoodger> well, I'm british 19:46:27 <benjamingoodger> my immediate thought was to compare it with the house of lords 19:46:46 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know that, but i have no real idea how the british political system works 19:46:52 <benjamingoodger> ah 19:47:03 <benjamingoodger> for legislation, it is very simple 19:47:19 <benjamingoodger> there are two houses, the Commons and the Lords, in the same building 19:47:42 <benjamingoodger> the Commons is composed of about 300 elected representatives (members of Parliament) 19:48:18 <benjamingoodger> each of these has a party allegiance, and the party with the most elected representatives gives rise to the government 19:48:53 <benjamingoodger> the government proposes legislation, which is then debated in the Commons, and if it is passed in the Commons it moves onto the Lords, who are hereditary titled individuals 19:49:29 <benjamingoodger> and it's meant to be debated further in the Lords in the same way as the US Senate, but they usually just rubber-stamp it 19:50:14 <benjamingoodger> and thus, the general election is our method of selecting the autocratic government of the next five years... 19:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there are some more or less subtile differences in the german system 19:50:50 <benjamingoodger> carry on 19:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> there is the "Bundestag" and each "Land" has an own "Landtag" 19:52:19 <Eddi|zuHause> who has the majority in a Landtag (usually a coalition of multiple parties) forms the government of the "Land", similar in the Bundestag 19:52:28 <benjamingoodger> makes sense. wales, scotland and northern ireland have Assemblies, which I suppose are similar 19:52:39 <benjamingoodger> right, same here 19:52:44 <Eddi|zuHause> then, each government appoints members of the "Bundestag" 19:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause> depending on population, each Land gets a different number of seats 19:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> so the members of the Bundestag are not elected directly 19:53:24 <benjamingoodger> right.. 19:54:22 <Eddi|zuHause> laws are subject to a jurisdiction, some laws are jurisdiction of the individual LÀnder, like edjucation or police. the bundestag may not pass laws concerning these jurisdiction 19:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but for certain parts, the Bundestag may pass laws like this, for exaple to form a federal police. then it must ask the Bundesrat for permission 19:56:02 <benjamingoodger> very well, sounds US-ish 19:56:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that makes for some funny constellations, because in the Bundesrat, the party-membership does not define the fractions 19:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> for example like currently, there are 5 parties in the Bundestag (CDU/CSU and SPD form the government, FDP, Green and Left form the opposition), an 19:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the Bundesrat consists of the same 5 parties, but due to certain coalitions on LÀnder-Level, not all votes of one party are to be expected 19:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g if a Land has a coalition of CDU and FDP as government, the government of that Land can choose to abstain from the vote, which affects all representants of that Land, regardless of party 20:00:40 <benjamingoodger> 0.0 20:00:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and the situation now is that almost no Land has a CDU+SPD government, so the opposition parties have a good way to enforce their will due to abstaining in the vote in the Bundesrat 20:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and then add the fact that the CSU, which can only be elected in Bavaria, recently lost its absolute majority there (which it held for like 60 years) 20:03:01 <frosch123> less than 40 :) 20:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause> so they also had to form a coalition (with FDP in this case), so there are even less "certain" votes 20:04:34 <benjamingoodger> you have broken my mind. 20:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> what i have always wondered myself... what happens when the CSU does not make the 5% rule in a Bundestag election? 20:06:34 <frosch123> IIRC the 5% is per state 20:06:48 <Eddi|zuHause> considering that only bavarians may vote for it, but the 5% is calculated on the whole german population 20:07:01 <frosch123> ok, I was wrong 20:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it can probably also make use of the 3 direct mandates rule 20:13:14 <fjb_> Bavaria without the CSU? That will never happen... 20:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> not bavaria without the CSU, Bundestag without the CSU 20:16:20 <frosch123> fjb_: about a week before the last elections, one of the two guys (don't know, huber or beckstein) defended himself against the bad predictions by "the csu also has to fight with people moving in from other states" :p 20:16:48 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 20:18:30 <fjb> Ofcourse. Bavarian politicians blame everything on non native Bavarians. 20:18:58 <benjamingoodger> what are the CSU's policies? 20:19:19 <benjamingoodger> are they right or left or irritating wishy-washy centrists? 20:19:28 <fjb> Right 20:19:29 <frosch123> countrymen :) 20:19:37 <benjamingoodger> oh dear 20:19:41 <benjamingoodger> how right? 20:19:48 <frosch123> countrymen :) 20:20:02 <benjamingoodger> I don't follow 20:20:25 <fjb> Centrist right to really right. 20:20:35 <benjamingoodger> oh dear... 20:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: by their own statement: "so right that there is no space right of them for nationalistic parties to form" 20:21:59 <benjamingoodger> oh _dear_ 20:22:13 <benjamingoodger> we have a nationalist party here... 20:22:23 <benjamingoodger> it's illegal for policemen to belong to it 20:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm sure there are quite diversified wings, but i'm not bavarian, so i don't really have to deal with them 20:23:49 <fjb> Some nationalist parties got forbidden here. But I know some policemen who belong to nationalist parties which are not forbidden yet. 20:23:49 <benjamingoodger> goodo... 20:24:37 <fjb> Especially one party is always talking about law and order. 20:25:06 <benjamingoodger> hmm 20:25:22 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:25:22 <fjb> You have to have a closer look to see how nationalistic they are. 20:25:37 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@119-38-215.ftth.xms.internl.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:45 <benjamingoodger> I see 20:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> bavarians are their own people... different rules apply there 20:27:09 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:25 <benjamingoodger> hm 20:27:33 <benjamingoodger> I suppose great britain is very homogenised by comparison 20:28:23 <frosch123> isn't there some scottish pary, who wants to separate scottland from united kingdom? 20:28:25 <benjamingoodger> england and wales have been one uninterrupted country since the 1200s 20:28:30 <benjamingoodger> scotland joined in the 1500s 20:28:34 <benjamingoodger> ireland in the 1700s 20:28:37 <benjamingoodger> it's never been apart 20:28:39 <Eddi|zuHause> well... we don't have an ongoing military conflict between religious groups anymore... 20:28:58 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@119-38-215.ftth.xms.internl.net] has quit [] 20:29:10 <benjamingoodger> frosch123: yes, the Scottish National Party. its name betrays it 20:29:23 <benjamingoodger> it's in no way nationalist, it's more cecessionist 20:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the conflict between protestants and catholics was basically settled after the 30 years war 20:29:42 <benjamingoodger> and it's done very well. practically everything in scotland is now scottish 20:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause> which ended in 1648 but devastated the whole country 20:30:14 <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: it took us a fair while to sort that out... 20:30:27 <benjamingoodger> Bloody Mary Tudor, anyone? 20:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause> like 60% of the population was killed during that war 20:30:55 <benjamingoodger> similar with the English civil war 20:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there were more parties involved than just the religious fractions 20:31:26 <benjamingoodger> except the English civil war was something of a democratic revolution 20:32:27 <Eddi|zuHause> there was also the conflict of the local aristocracy fighting the centralistic king/emperor 20:33:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and then the foreign countries France and Sweden, sensing easy prey in the weakened german states 20:33:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it was not really a civil war 20:34:51 <Eddi|zuHause> civil war would require an uprising of the general population, which was not the case 20:35:38 <benjamingoodger> surely that's a revolution ¬.¬ 20:36:02 <benjamingoodger> I believe we define a civil war as a war internal to a nation, rather than between two nations 20:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, then i have misinterpreted that 20:37:14 <Eddi|zuHause> then yes, it does have characteristics of a civil war 20:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause> at least in the first phase, before the foreign nations joined in 20:38:17 *** vraa [~vraa@h178.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:39:56 <thingwath> by foreign you mean those who weren't part of holy roman empire? 20:41:31 <benjamingoodger> he referred to sweden and france 20:42:43 <benjamingoodger> good grief, the price of oil is plummeting 20:42:48 <benjamingoodger> it's hit already 20:43:47 <thingwath> bad question, I wanted to ask who was not foreing ('we') :-) 20:43:54 <fjb> Fuel price started to raise again here today. 20:45:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i could only notice what i percieved a usual weekly fluctuation in a range of 3-5ct 20:45:23 <Eddi|zuHause> per liter 20:47:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc0c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:16 <benjamingoodger> hmm.. 20:49:23 <benjamingoodger> well, prices are going down slowly here 20:49:43 <benjamingoodger> it was 90p/litre on wednesday, haven't looked since 21:00:54 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:02:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:04 *** vraa [~vraa@h178.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:45 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> fuel prices easily dropped by 30% in the last few weeks 21:16:51 <benjamingoodger> you're doing better than us then 21:17:03 <benjamingoodger> ours are only down by 22% from the peak 21:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it was at the brink of cutting 1,50â¬/l, now i've seen 1,13â¬/l 21:18:48 <benjamingoodger> wow 21:19:05 <benjamingoodger> it was only at £1.16 here, and it's down to £0.9 21:23:23 <Zuu> Aali: Now, i've released a version 12 which fixes the issue with the console which you mentioned. Plus I couldn't stop me form implementing some other stuff, hehe. (match case button, select sign from filtered list by arrow up/down keys) 21:26:35 <Aali> awesome :) 21:27:04 *** Terkhen [~ircap@50.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 21:29:54 <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: the US is back to "silly gas" 21:29:58 <benjamingoodger> .77/gal 21:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that means 21:30:34 <benjamingoodger> 38 eurocents/litre 21:30:37 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 21:30:44 <petern> that's still expensive to them 21:31:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C857.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:31:24 <benjamingoodger> not as much as when it was or more 21:31:25 <Zuu> Aali: I've made the match-case button deactivated by default as I guess in most cases you don't want it. But if you feel that it should be the other way around after using it for a while, let me know. 21:33:05 <Zuu> The button could possible be persistent (state saved to global variable) so that it restores its state when you close and open the window. But thats something for version 13, whenever that comes. :) 21:34:15 <Aali> hmm 21:34:16 <Aali> nah 21:34:34 <Aali> i think it should default to off 21:34:47 <Zuu> that's what it is now. 21:35:01 <Zuu> Plus the GUI looks better with it off :p 21:35:18 <Aali> that one time you do need a case-sensitive search you'll probably forget to turn it off :P 21:39:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B806A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83E3F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:41:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:44:11 <Zuu> I should probably make the first sign selected when one start typing a filter, so you don't need to press one of the arrow keys to select the first sign. Else I think some people who skiped reeding the instructions will miss that you can use the arrow keys. 21:44:33 <Zuu> Or not, to make users read :p 21:44:58 <Zuu> Well, I will not succed to make users read, but give a bonus to those who does. :) 21:46:09 <TrueBrain> users and reading .. two words you never expect in one sentence :) 21:49:25 <petern> well 21:49:34 <petern> it works if you replace and with not 21:49:37 <petern> "users not reading" ... 21:50:17 <TrueBrain> I agree with you there my dear petern :) 21:52:05 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 21:54:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:18 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 22:25:38 <Wolf01> 'night 22:25:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:46:04 <Fantasya> sleepy night 22:47:44 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B750FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B750FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:48 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:02 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:15:14 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 23:16:17 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:36 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:30:36 *** vraa [~vraa@h178.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:45:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:57 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:22 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226133125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd