Log for #openttd on 6th December 2008:
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00:00:55  <thingwath> or just anything, as long as there are pretty pictures
00:01:37  <Eddi|zuHause> "(11) Die Diplomarbeit soll in deutscher oder englischer Sprache abgefasst werden."
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00:11:32  <Celestar> <= LOL, read the BIOS section (=
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00:15:10  <Celestar> this is downright alarming
00:15:37  <Gekz> lol
00:15:40  <Gekz> it doesnt shock me
00:15:41  <Gekz> :/
00:15:49  <Gekz> this is why MacBooks are superior
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00:15:57  <glx> not worse than adsl boxes firmwares
00:17:26  <Celestar> Gekz: well, I've never had any of those problems with hardware from proper manufacturers eithers (=
00:17:43  <Celestar> e.g. Sun Servers and Workstations
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00:20:51  <thingwath> with such hardware, there are problems even before you turn them on for the first time
00:21:06  <Celestar> never had that
00:21:09  <thingwath> for example where to get enough money for them
00:21:10  <thingwath> :-)
00:21:22  <Celestar> neither with IBM/Lenovo Stuff, HP stuff.
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00:25:24  <Celestar> I found that the ASUS and Gigabyte stuff gets worse from generation to generation
00:25:32  <Celestar> especially the longetivity
00:25:47  <Celestar> (when you run that thing around 100% 24/7)
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00:33:28  <benjamingoodger> hm
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00:39:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14659 /trunk/config.lib: -Add: in case Thief^ (forum user) ever tries what he thinks he will try when he doesn't know it is --prefix-dir, make sure he also gets what he assumes he gets :)
00:40:30  <Eddi|zuHause> lmao :p
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00:46:16  <benjamingoodger> heheheh
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00:59:37  <Rexxie> best commit message ever
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01:00:16  <benjamingoodger> absolument
01:00:42  * benjamingoodger now feels a tiny bit flat...
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01:08:09  <Eddi|zuHause> hm no, i believe there were better ones
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01:12:27  <Eddi|zuHause> (Score: 5, Funny)
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03:40:36  <Belugas> HOLY SH...
03:40:37  <Belugas>
03:45:05  <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬
03:45:08  <benjamingoodger> good night, belugas
03:47:14  <Belugas> if ever i can find my bed...
03:49:54  <Belugas> goes back in the basement play guitare for a few more moemtbs
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07:52:21  <NoPride> hello everyone
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07:54:04  <NoPride> hello alberth
07:54:15  <Alberth> hai
07:54:37  <NoPride> is it always theis quiet in here
07:54:42  <Alberth> so early in the morning another person so much awake :)
07:54:43  <Forked> it's 9am
07:55:02  <NoPride> 454pm where i am
07:55:12  <NoPride> where are you
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07:55:22  <Forked> the land of oil! (Norway)
07:55:37  <NoPride> <- australia
07:55:55  <NoPride> the land of kangaroos
07:55:59  <NoPride> :)
07:56:56  <Alberth> anybody any experience with cargodest + transport of other cargo than passengers/mail?
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07:59:05  <Alberth> I am figuring out how to lay tracks, stations, and trains to do this efficient
08:03:34  <NoPride> im trying to work out my dedicated server
08:08:47  <Brianetta> They're pretty easy
08:09:55  <Brianetta> gtg, wife's getting up
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11:07:59  <Wolf01> hello
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11:47:54  <Terkhen> good morning
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12:05:23  <Alberth> such fun, trying to compile an old openttd revision. Compile warnings all over the place, and even an error.
12:06:47  <Rubidium> back then it probably compiled fine with the back then latest gcc
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12:09:17  <Alberth> did we already use g++ for 11353? (error was about a non-allowed 'static' storage class in a template specialization)
12:09:53  <Rubidium> yes, since somewhere 7500-ish everything's c++ and a few thousands revs before yapf got added
12:10:35  <Alberth> a very long time ago thus :)
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12:43:17  <SmatZ> Alberth: it's a gcc-4.3 specific bug
12:43:39  <SmatZ> it compiles with no problem with older gcc
12:44:27  <SmatZ> similiar, older revisions' ./configure fails with --with-ccache or --with-distcc with recent cut
12:44:58  <SmatZ> and very old revisions fail to compile minilzo.c
12:44:59  <mrfrenzy> this is not really a bug ;)
12:45:17  <SmatZ> true :)
12:46:01  <yorick> they released a new mingw-win32api today :)
12:46:05  * yorick goes updating
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12:46:45  <Alberth> SmatZ: fix was easy enough, I simply removed the storage class. I was just surprised to see all those warnings. Apparently compilers got better at recognizing smelly code.
12:51:07  <SmatZ> Alberth: "all those warnings"? I think there weren't many, apart from this one just "mode might be clobbered by setjmp/longjmp" or so
12:51:28  <SmatZ> and of course, gcc 4.2 added "-fstrict-overflow" as default compile parameter
12:52:03  <SmatZ> so there are many warnings "assuming X + 1 > X at line blahblah" with older revision...
12:52:43  <SmatZ> Alberth:
12:52:53  <Alberth> SmatZ: a few 'for(...);' statements in a .h file
12:53:11  <SmatZ> errr... gcc 4.4 gives warning about possible freeing static variable... I could find any way it could be freed though
12:53:18  <SmatZ> Alberth: true, I forgot about it :)
12:53:31  <SmatZ> *couldn't
12:53:47  <SmatZ> if you find the way how it can be freed, then report it as a bug :)
12:53:48  <Alberth> SmatZ: maybe at app shutdown?
12:54:37  <SmatZ> Alberth: yeah, but I couldn't find any way how it can happen, because the pointer is soon overwritten by dynamically allocated memory
12:54:42  <SmatZ> I think gcc does only static analysis
12:54:56  <Alberth> probably
12:54:56  <SmatZ> but I didn't spend much time trying to find the problem
12:55:56  <Alberth> still using 4.3, so no freeing of static variables here :D
12:56:24  <yorick> no 4.4 for windows released yet
12:56:38  <SmatZ> this kind
12:56:47  <SmatZ> yeah, it is gcc 4.4 alpha :)
12:56:50  <SmatZ> nightly build :)
12:57:13  <yorick> it is even 4.3 alpha-experimental-warning-dontuse here
12:57:25  <SmatZ> hehe
12:57:31  <yorick> works like a charm :)
12:57:49  <SmatZ> my compilers :)
12:58:02  <SmatZ> no 2.95 at this amd64 machine...
12:58:10  <SmatZ> but I have one in my x86 chroot ;)
12:58:39  <SmatZ> there
12:59:40  <yorick> "gcc version 4.3.0 20080305 (alpha-testing) mingw-20080502 (GCC)" <-- full version name :p
13:00:06  <SmatZ> :-D
13:00:25  <Rubidium> no fancy compilers?
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13:00:56  <SmatZ> I had icc, but my 90days testing period ended long time ago
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13:02:44  * Rubidium has i586-pc-msdosdjgpp 4.3.2 and sh-elf 3.4.6
13:04:36  <petern> i don't see dos in the download list :(
13:05:50  <Rubidium> neither is sh-elf
13:05:56  <Gekz> shelf
13:05:57  <Gekz> lols.
13:05:59  <Gekz> I'm done.
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13:08:57  <yorick> how do they expect me to configure and make bash?
13:15:20  <Alberth> SmatZ: maybe you should add an assertion that you never free hdrEmpty
13:17:07  <Alberth> it seems to rest entirely on filling the data fields with 0 (in the 5 minutes I spent looking at the code)
13:17:25  <Gekz> petern: what was your previous name
13:22:40  <yorick> his previous name was peter1138 ;)
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13:28:56  <Alberth> yorick: ha, you finished assembling the hardware?
13:29:59  <yorick> ...
13:30:05  <yorick> it can't build without a shell
13:30:17  <yorick> and I can't build a shell without gnulibc
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13:31:28  <TrueBrain> wise
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13:31:47  <SmatZ> heh @ Rubidium's DOS compilers :)
13:32:13  <SmatZ> hello wise TrueBrain
13:33:04  <TrueBrain> hello smart SmatZ :)
13:38:47  <Alberth> yorick: building something as low level as libc makes me think of the days you did everything yourself, including assembling a computer out of a set of components, and bootstrapping the new machine from floppies :)
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14:13:02  <Fantasya> evening star
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14:34:32  <fjb> Hello
14:35:03  <frosch123> moin
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15:47:30  <Aali> Zuu
15:47:31  <Aali> !
15:47:49  <Zuu> Hi
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15:48:53  <Zuu> Yes?
15:49:27  <Aali> I have a very annoying problem with your filter sign list patch
15:49:40  <Aali> Any and all new windows steal focus from the console
15:50:01  <Zuu> Hmm, that is indeed annoying
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15:50:11  <Zuu> Possible because the console is not a text edit widget.
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15:50:52  <Zuu> So there are special cases for it to work. Probably there is no special case in open window code that checks if console is open or not.
15:51:03  <Aali> That's what I figured.
15:51:49  <Aali> However, others claim to not have this issue with the same version of the patch.
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15:54:16  <Zuu> I was just thinking about scrap the focus stuff, well the patch will be on flyspray if anyone want to work on it. But instead use a query window, to make the patch much more simple and possible even able to reach trunk.
15:55:36  <Aali> The widget focus patch is great though :/
15:55:42  <Zuu> Well, I want to say, I have not gave up focus stuff, but I've came to the conclusion that it will take me to much time to get every aspect of it 100% compatible with the thoughts of the devs.
15:56:06  <Zuu> Nice to hear you liked it though. :)
15:57:47  <Zuu> Anything more than the console that annoys you about it?
15:57:53  <Aali> I'll just hack something in to fix this issue myself for the time being.
15:57:57  <Aali> Not really.
15:58:05  <Zuu> Glad to hear
15:58:11  <Aali> Everything else just works.
15:59:05  <Zuu> I fixed the issue of newspapers steeling focus by make new windows only steel focus if no text-edit box has focus. But apparently I forgot to make a special check for the console.
15:59:48  <Zuu> Well, steel focus is not the right word if no text edit has focus :-) , but I hope you get the point
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16:05:26  <Zuu> My opinion is that either OpenTTD has to continue use query windows for expanding use of text editing in windows, or some kind of focus-patch and later also change to allow multiple edit boxes per window is needed.
16:07:23  <Zuu> The lazy approach I think is to continue using query window. Possible with some extensions to it, but still having a special purpose window only for editing strings.
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16:19:13  <Zuu> Aali: I can confirm your problems with a clear checkout.
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16:20:24  <Belugas> query window for methanks
16:22:55  <petern> teal!
16:22:57  <petern> sigh
16:22:59  <petern> *steal!
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16:31:37  <Fantasya> wtf?
16:32:09  <Belugas> ftw?
16:32:55  <Fantasya> :)))
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16:45:04  <benjamingoodger> indeedly
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18:21:18  <ccfreak2k>
18:21:25  <ccfreak2k> What a neat patch.
18:23:57  <Sacro_> horrible wording
18:24:07  <Sacro_> continueing implies arriving
18:24:11  <Sacro_> you have to arrive to continue onwards
18:25:02  <benjamingoodger> s/arriving/alighting
18:25:18  <Sacro_> s/$//
18:25:27  <benjamingoodger> eh?
18:25:27  <Sacro_> errm
18:25:31  <Sacro_> s/$/\//
18:25:48  <Sacro_> benjamingoodger: Error: unterminated sed command
18:26:04  <benjamingoodger> s/arriving/alighting/
18:26:39  <Sacro_> better :p
18:26:49  <Sacro_> yes
18:27:02  <Sacro_> {0} passengers alighting, {1} passengers continuing
18:27:09  <benjamingoodger> *nod*
18:27:20  <Sacro_> ccfreak2k: that your patch?
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18:57:04  <Eddi|zuHause> so... what did the Nikolaus bring you people?
18:57:34  <Sacro_> Eddi|zuHause: german tradition only iirc
18:57:42  <Sacro_> though actually, might be norway too
18:57:45  <Sacro_> and finland
18:57:46  <benjamingoodger> erm...
18:57:54  <benjamingoodger> yes, I'll agree with that
18:57:57  <Eddi|zuHause> it is also known in the netherlands and belgium, afaik
18:58:13  <benjamingoodger> we have a st nicolas's day, but that's on the 25th
18:58:18  * Sacro_ waves hi to the german police via Eddi|zuHause's computer
18:58:51  <Eddi|zuHause> afair that law did not pass
18:59:14  <benjamingoodger> oh, no, I'm wrong
18:59:19  <benjamingoodger> st nicolas's day is today
18:59:22  <petern> what law?
18:59:25  <benjamingoodger> we still don't celebrate it with gifts
18:59:47  <Eddi|zuHause> that the federal police may spy secretly on people's computers
19:00:13  <petern> ah, nice
19:00:21  <petern> "if you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide!"
19:00:32  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something like that
19:02:00  <Eddi|zuHause> the latest status i knew was that it passed the "Bundestag" [Parliament], but failed in the "Bundesrat" [representation of the "LÀnder"]
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19:34:35  <Splex> 'May'???
19:34:37  <Splex> lol
19:35:49  <Splex> its pretty safe to say that it is a global certainty.
19:40:23  <benjamingoodger> LÀnder?
19:40:56  <benjamingoodger> ah...
19:41:13  <benjamingoodger> "Countries"
19:43:54  <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: in this special case, the 16 "LÀnder" that constitute the federal republic of germany... roughly comparable that the USA are made of "states"
19:44:23  <benjamingoodger> yes, I understand
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19:45:40  <Eddi|zuHause> but the "bundesrat" has no direct counterpart in the USA
19:46:13  <benjamingoodger> well, I'm british
19:46:27  <benjamingoodger> my immediate thought was to compare it with the house of lords
19:46:46  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know that, but i have no real idea how the british political system works
19:46:52  <benjamingoodger> ah
19:47:03  <benjamingoodger> for legislation, it is very simple
19:47:19  <benjamingoodger> there are two houses, the Commons and the Lords, in the same building
19:47:42  <benjamingoodger> the Commons is composed of about 300 elected representatives (members of Parliament)
19:48:18  <benjamingoodger> each of these has a party allegiance, and the party with the most elected representatives gives rise to the government
19:48:53  <benjamingoodger> the government proposes legislation, which is then debated in the Commons, and if it is passed in the Commons it moves onto the Lords, who are hereditary titled individuals
19:49:29  <benjamingoodger> and it's meant to be debated further in the Lords in the same way as the US Senate, but they usually just rubber-stamp it
19:50:14  <benjamingoodger> and thus, the general election is our method of selecting the autocratic government of the next five years...
19:50:23  <Eddi|zuHause> well, there are some more or less subtile differences in the german system
19:50:50  <benjamingoodger> carry on
19:51:15  <Eddi|zuHause> there is the "Bundestag" and each "Land" has an own "Landtag"
19:52:19  <Eddi|zuHause> who has the majority in a Landtag (usually a coalition of multiple parties) forms the government of the "Land", similar in the Bundestag
19:52:28  <benjamingoodger> makes sense. wales, scotland and northern ireland have Assemblies, which I suppose are similar
19:52:39  <benjamingoodger> right, same here
19:52:44  <Eddi|zuHause> then, each government appoints members of the "Bundestag"
19:52:59  <Eddi|zuHause> depending on population, each Land gets a different number of seats
19:53:09  <Eddi|zuHause> so the members of the Bundestag are not elected directly
19:53:24  <benjamingoodger> right..
19:54:22  <Eddi|zuHause> laws are subject to a jurisdiction, some laws are jurisdiction of the individual LÀnder, like edjucation or police. the bundestag may not pass laws concerning these jurisdiction
19:55:10  <Eddi|zuHause> but for certain parts, the Bundestag may pass laws like this, for exaple to form a federal police. then it must ask the Bundesrat for permission
19:56:02  <benjamingoodger> very well, sounds US-ish
19:56:45  <Eddi|zuHause> that makes for some funny constellations, because in the Bundesrat, the party-membership does not define the fractions
19:57:36  <Eddi|zuHause> for example like currently, there are 5 parties in the Bundestag (CDU/CSU and SPD form the government, FDP, Green and Left form the opposition), an
19:58:22  <Eddi|zuHause> the Bundesrat consists of the same 5 parties, but due to certain coalitions on LÀnder-Level, not all votes of one party are to be expected
19:59:25  <Eddi|zuHause> e.g if a Land has a coalition of CDU and FDP as government, the government of that Land can choose to abstain from the vote, which affects all representants of that Land, regardless of party
20:00:40  <benjamingoodger> 0.0
20:00:47  <Eddi|zuHause> and the situation now is that almost no Land has a CDU+SPD government, so the opposition parties have a good way to enforce their will due to abstaining in the vote in the Bundesrat
20:02:36  <Eddi|zuHause> and then add the fact that the CSU, which can only be elected in Bavaria, recently lost its absolute majority there (which it held for like 60 years)
20:03:01  <frosch123> less than 40 :)
20:03:05  <Eddi|zuHause> so they also had to form a coalition (with FDP in this case), so there are even less "certain" votes
20:04:34  <benjamingoodger> you have broken my mind.
20:05:52  <Eddi|zuHause> what i have always wondered myself... what happens when the CSU does not make the 5% rule in a Bundestag election?
20:06:34  <frosch123> IIRC the 5% is per state
20:06:48  <Eddi|zuHause> considering that only bavarians may vote for it, but the 5% is calculated on the whole german population
20:07:01  <frosch123> ok, I was wrong
20:07:25  <Eddi|zuHause> well, it can probably also make use of the 3 direct mandates rule
20:13:14  <fjb_> Bavaria without the CSU? That will never happen...
20:15:48  <Eddi|zuHause> not bavaria without the CSU, Bundestag without the CSU
20:16:20  <frosch123> fjb_: about a week before the last elections, one of the two guys (don't know, huber or beckstein) defended himself against the bad predictions by "the csu also has to fight with people moving in from other states" :p
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20:18:30  <fjb> Ofcourse. Bavarian politicians blame everything on non native Bavarians.
20:18:58  <benjamingoodger> what are the CSU's policies?
20:19:19  <benjamingoodger> are they right or left or irritating wishy-washy centrists?
20:19:28  <fjb> Right
20:19:29  <frosch123> countrymen :)
20:19:37  <benjamingoodger> oh dear
20:19:41  <benjamingoodger> how right?
20:19:48  <frosch123> countrymen :)
20:20:02  <benjamingoodger> I don't follow
20:20:25  <fjb> Centrist right to really right.
20:20:35  <benjamingoodger> oh dear...
20:21:42  <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: by their own statement: "so right that there is no space right of them for nationalistic parties to form"
20:21:59  <benjamingoodger> oh _dear_
20:22:13  <benjamingoodger> we have a nationalist party here...
20:22:23  <benjamingoodger> it's illegal for policemen to belong to it
20:23:35  <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm sure there are quite diversified wings, but i'm not bavarian, so i don't really have to deal with them
20:23:49  <fjb> Some nationalist parties got forbidden here. But I know some policemen who belong to nationalist parties which are not forbidden yet.
20:23:49  <benjamingoodger> goodo...
20:24:37  <fjb> Especially one party is always talking about law and order.
20:25:06  <benjamingoodger> hmm
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20:25:22  <fjb> You have to have a closer look to see how nationalistic they are.
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20:25:45  <benjamingoodger> I see
20:26:57  <Eddi|zuHause> bavarians are their own people... different rules apply there
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20:27:25  <benjamingoodger> hm
20:27:33  <benjamingoodger> I suppose great britain is very homogenised by comparison
20:28:23  <frosch123> isn't there some scottish pary, who wants to separate scottland from united kingdom?
20:28:25  <benjamingoodger> england and wales have been one uninterrupted country since the 1200s
20:28:30  <benjamingoodger> scotland joined in the 1500s
20:28:34  <benjamingoodger> ireland in the 1700s
20:28:37  <benjamingoodger> it's never been apart
20:28:39  <Eddi|zuHause> well... we don't have an ongoing military conflict between religious groups anymore...
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20:29:10  <benjamingoodger> frosch123: yes, the Scottish National Party. its name betrays it
20:29:23  <benjamingoodger> it's in no way nationalist, it's more cecessionist
20:29:31  <Eddi|zuHause> the conflict between protestants and catholics was basically settled after the 30 years war
20:29:42  <benjamingoodger> and it's done very well. practically everything in scotland is now scottish
20:30:03  <Eddi|zuHause> which ended in 1648 but devastated the whole country
20:30:14  <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: it took us a fair while to sort that out...
20:30:27  <benjamingoodger> Bloody Mary Tudor, anyone?
20:30:36  <Eddi|zuHause> like 60% of the population was killed during that war
20:30:55  <benjamingoodger> similar with the English civil war
20:31:19  <Eddi|zuHause> well, there were more parties involved than just the religious fractions
20:31:26  <benjamingoodger> except the English civil war was something of a democratic revolution
20:32:27  <Eddi|zuHause> there was also the conflict of the local aristocracy fighting the centralistic king/emperor
20:33:08  <Eddi|zuHause> and then the foreign countries France and Sweden, sensing easy prey in the weakened german states
20:33:48  <Eddi|zuHause> it was not really a civil war
20:34:51  <Eddi|zuHause> civil war would require an uprising of the general population, which was not the case
20:35:38  <benjamingoodger> surely that's a revolution ¬.¬
20:36:02  <benjamingoodger> I believe we define a civil war as a war internal to a nation, rather than between two nations
20:36:36  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, then i have misinterpreted that
20:37:14  <Eddi|zuHause> then yes, it does have characteristics of a civil war
20:37:34  <Eddi|zuHause> at least in the first phase, before the foreign nations joined in
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20:39:56  <thingwath> by foreign you mean those who weren't part of holy roman empire?
20:41:31  <benjamingoodger> he referred to sweden and france
20:42:43  <benjamingoodger> good grief, the price of oil is plummeting
20:42:48  <benjamingoodger> it's hit  already
20:43:47  <thingwath> bad question, I wanted to ask who was not foreing ('we') :-)
20:43:54  <fjb> Fuel price started to raise again here today.
20:45:02  <Eddi|zuHause> i could only notice what i percieved a usual weekly fluctuation in a range of 3-5ct
20:45:23  <Eddi|zuHause> per liter
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20:49:16  <benjamingoodger> hmm..
20:49:23  <benjamingoodger> well, prices are going down slowly here
20:49:43  <benjamingoodger> it was 90p/litre on wednesday, haven't looked since
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21:15:57  <Eddi|zuHause> fuel prices easily dropped by 30% in the last few weeks
21:16:51  <benjamingoodger> you're doing better than us then
21:17:03  <benjamingoodger> ours are only down by 22% from the peak
21:18:17  <Eddi|zuHause> it was at the brink of cutting 1,50€/l, now i've seen 1,13€/l
21:18:48  <benjamingoodger> wow
21:19:05  <benjamingoodger> it was only at £1.16 here, and it's down to £0.9
21:23:23  <Zuu> Aali: Now, i've released a version 12 which fixes the issue with the console which you mentioned. Plus I couldn't stop me form implementing some other stuff, hehe. (match case button, select sign from filtered list by arrow up/down keys)
21:26:35  <Aali> awesome :)
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21:29:54  <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: the US is back to "silly gas"
21:29:58  <benjamingoodger> .77/gal
21:30:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that means
21:30:34  <benjamingoodger> 38 eurocents/litre
21:30:37  <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬
21:30:44  <petern> that's still expensive to them
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21:31:24  <benjamingoodger> not as much as when it was  or more
21:31:25  <Zuu> Aali: I've made the match-case button deactivated by default as I guess in most cases you don't want it. But if you feel that it should be the other way around after using it for a while, let me know.
21:33:05  <Zuu> The button could possible be persistent (state saved to global variable) so that it restores its state when you close and open the window. But thats something for version 13, whenever that comes. :)
21:34:15  <Aali> hmm
21:34:16  <Aali> nah
21:34:34  <Aali> i think it should default to off
21:34:47  <Zuu> that's what it is now.
21:35:01  <Zuu> Plus the GUI looks better with it off :p
21:35:18  <Aali> that one time you do need a case-sensitive search you'll probably forget to turn it off :P
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21:44:11  <Zuu> I should probably make the first sign selected when one start typing a filter, so you don't need to press one of the arrow keys to select the first sign. Else I think some people who skiped reeding the instructions will miss that you can use the arrow keys.
21:44:33  <Zuu> Or not, to make users read :p
21:44:58  <Zuu> Well, I will not succed to make users read, but give a bonus to those who does. :)
21:46:09  <TrueBrain> users and reading .. two words you never expect in one sentence :)
21:49:25  <petern> well
21:49:34  <petern> it works if you replace and with not
21:49:37  <petern> "users not reading" ...
21:50:17  <TrueBrain> I agree with you there my dear petern :)
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22:25:38  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:46:04  <Fantasya> sleepy night
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