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00:00:55 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:01:39 <dihedral> [00:52] * Sacro sits alone in his basket <-- good dog 00:01:53 * Sacro hisses 00:04:31 <dihedral> now now!!! 00:04:43 <dihedral> or you wont get a goody 00:06:43 <Perfk> hmm. I downloaded the GRF's.. do I have to add them all in the NewGRF settings? (there are many :P) 00:06:51 <Sacro> me grrrmbls and curls up 00:07:30 <Ammler> Perfk: no, they will be loaded automatically 00:07:40 <Perfk> Thank good :) hehe 00:07:47 <Ammler> (if you have the correct versions) 00:08:22 <Perfk> the correct version.. is that the nightly build? or the one I got from openttd.org's frontpage ? 00:08:35 <Perfk> 0.6.3 00:08:49 <Ammler> depense on the server 00:09:13 <Ammler> if the dot on the right side is red, you have the wrong version. 00:09:48 <Ammler> you see the needed version on the details (right of the list) 00:10:41 <Perfk> can't I just download the newest version and it will work on all servers? :P would be nice 00:11:44 <Perfk> Just looked in the servers list.. very few that I can't get into. so looks like iam good for now :) 00:11:47 <Ammler> indeed, but mostly no 00:11:48 <Perfk> Thanks for the help guys 00:12:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:12:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:01 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 00:13:02 <Ammler> you should be able to join around 50% of the servers with most players with the current stable 00:14:18 <Ammler> nightly server has mostly their own homepage/IRC channel with support to join. 00:24:41 <Sacro> lol hi 00:25:12 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.48.180] has quit [] 00:32:25 <dihedral> hello Sacro 00:32:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:20 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 00:45:30 <energetic> every new question about 064/070 delays it with one day... 00:46:25 <dihedral> energetic, how good you dont know what it's 'soposed' to be release, nor have any influence on that 00:46:33 <dihedral> so you have like no way of telling anyway! 00:50:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15437 /trunk/src/unmovable_cmd.cpp: 00:50:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Do not run a code section when you already know it is useless 00:50:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Do not rely on a decision based on something that has already been evaluated 00:54:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:48 *** Perfk [~Perfk@0x55509325.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #openttd [] 01:07:14 <NukeBuster> Rubidium? 01:07:23 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:06 *** prakti [~myself@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:28 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:19:11 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179216109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 01:20:40 <Rubidium> night NukeBuster 01:23:12 <NukeBuster> still here? 01:23:17 <dihedral> hehe 01:23:20 <dihedral> night Rubidium 01:23:28 <dihedral> NukeBuster, bugs.openttd.org ;-) 01:29:22 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:39 <Rubidium> NukeBuster: if you would've asked what you wanted to ask I could've answered it, but these pseudo-questions are quite pointless. Anyhow, the answer on your previous question (once I've pressed <enter>) is: not anymore. 01:41:19 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has joined #openttd 01:57:43 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177229144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 02:05:17 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177239022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:20:55 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:59 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 02:24:56 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C6C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:28:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:28:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C5B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:19 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:40:03 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 02:43:09 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-133.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:47:54 *** Scuanor [~Scuanor@Pebc1.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 02:48:02 <Scuanor> hello everybody :o) 02:49:06 <Scuanor> im getting a linkerror with ms vc++ when trying to compile to debugversion fontcache.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol @FT_Done_Face@4" 02:49:11 <Scuanor> can someone help me with that? 02:49:28 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 02:52:38 <Aali> Scuanor: did you get the openttd_useful package? 02:53:15 <Scuanor> Aali: yes. v2.10 02:54:57 <Aali> that's a freetype symbol, are you positively sure that its linking to the right library? 02:56:43 <Scuanor> no, not anymore. im checking it, i may have copied the useful things to a wrong place °scratches head° 03:01:09 <Scuanor> checked. they were in the right place, the right versions and i set the right pathvariable for them. 03:01:48 <Scuanor> i know :o) that doesnt asnwer your question. i try to find that out now. 03:04:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-217-4.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:04:48 <Scuanor> hm, how do i find out, if they are linked rightly? 03:05:19 <Scuanor> errm ,to the right library i meant, sorry. 03:08:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:38 <Scuanor> uhm... did i say something wrong? 03:12:06 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:15:09 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 03:19:01 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 03:20:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 03:26:02 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 03:27:49 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:21 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:56 *** |Japa| [~Japa@218.248.70.235] has joined #openttd 03:42:17 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:57:02 <Scuanor> hmmm 03:57:49 *** De_Ghost [~s@76-10-160-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 04:01:10 <glx> Scuanor: you have a path problem, or the wrong libs 04:01:52 <Scuanor> glx: yes, i lack though the knowledge to find out, how to fix it. 04:02:14 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-160-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:02:18 <glx> where did you put extract openttd_useful? 04:03:51 <Scuanor> im very sure from: http://binaries.openttd.org/extra/openttd-useful/ 04:03:57 <Scuanor> ouch 04:03:59 <Scuanor> sorry 04:04:06 <Scuanor> that wasnt your question 04:04:33 <Scuanor> well, actually it was, just the wrong answer 04:05:43 <Scuanor> glx: i put them into a folder i made, which includes the SVN C:\!openttd063source\!MSVC8\vc and there into the correspondending lib and include folders 04:06:07 <Scuanor> ( the pathname isnt fitting, i know, as it is latest SVN, not 0.63) 04:06:54 <glx> and you set MSVC to search them there? 04:07:42 <Scuanor> glx: it is included in the options as searchpath, yes. by specific path, not environmentvariable 04:08:25 <Scuanor> like "C:\!openttd063source\!MSVC8\vc\include" for includes 04:09:01 <Scuanor> by the way, whats the name of "includes"? its not the right term, no? 04:10:50 <glx> so in include you have freetype, unicode and 5 files 04:11:24 <glx> anyway includes are correct else there is compile errors 04:11:39 <Scuanor> glx: actually also everything else. i copied over all needed libs and includes 04:11:56 <glx> did you full rebuild? 04:12:24 <Scuanor> i did a cleaned rebuild with debugmode 04:13:53 <glx> did it work before? 04:15:18 <Scuanor> the file is at C:\!openttd063source\objs\Win32\Debug\fontcache.obj. and it is a newly created one, so, it isnt really not there. yes, at some time it worked. i am not able to say though, at which point. 04:16:11 <Scuanor> i did not change though folders or pathvariables, just downloaded the SVN 04:17:12 <glx> and you get only one link error? 04:17:48 <Scuanor> glx: http://rafb.net/p/plIwo519.html 04:18:12 <Scuanor> so basically yes. 04:21:55 <glx> weird 04:22:24 <glx> I have no problems with vc8 nor vc9 04:23:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15438 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r15434): MSVC performance warning 04:24:04 <Scuanor> it definetly has to do with the fontcache, yes? i read somewhere, that sometimes errors are only appearing in some place, but their origin might be elsewhere 04:24:37 <glx> freetype is used only there :) 04:24:46 <Scuanor> °snickers° thats funny, just as i am rebuilding i came about that performance warning just some secs ago 04:25:45 <glx> I think the only thing to try is to remove openttd_useful completely and reinstall it 04:26:51 <Scuanor> hm, as i merged it with all the other things, that would be complicated. wouldnt it be the same, if i just copyover it? ( which i did already today ) 04:27:07 <Scuanor> or do i need to build freetype meself? 04:28:40 <Scuanor> oh, i can of course delete the whole freetype folder and paste it again 04:29:10 <SpComb> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd <-- I'm interested in hearing peoples' feedback on this 04:29:16 <glx> that can work too as the problem is clearly with freetype 04:29:27 <SpComb> it's starting to be kind of feature-complete now, although the logs don't actually get updated yet 04:30:01 <SpComb> but hopefully I'll be able to replace my old IRC logs soon enough 04:30:09 <glx> I was about to say that ;) 04:33:13 <Scuanor> glx: maybe... maybe i have a pathproblem with a different project that uses a different version of freetype...checking... 04:33:53 <glx> check the path order 04:35:23 <Scuanor> i just corrected it, yes. rebuilding... 04:36:25 <Scuanor> °grins° funny thing is, i basically have no clue whatsoever about programming, i just do this all to realize a tiny idea i had 04:36:47 <Scuanor> but... in the wake of getting this build and compiled, i learned already quite much 04:37:28 <Scuanor> aaand. voila! no errors. not even that stationcommandwarning Oo 04:37:37 <glx> compiling by yourself is already a good start :) 04:38:12 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 04:38:30 <Scuanor> which is weird. the first time i build today it wasnt there, the second time it was, now its gone again that warning. oh... no, still there, it just doesnt get displayed in the outputwindow 04:39:08 <glx> svn up :) 04:39:21 <glx> I fixed it 04:39:52 <Scuanor> i know :o) 04:40:13 <Scuanor> hm, now... where to put that exe? in 0.63? or last nightly? 04:40:27 <Scuanor> aka is last nightly the same as the last SVN?= 04:40:57 <glx> last nightly is older :) 04:41:49 <glx> anyway time to sleep for me 04:42:09 <Scuanor> thank you very much, glx :o)) 04:42:13 <Scuanor> and a good night to you 04:42:54 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:46:59 *** |Japa| [~Japa@218.248.70.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:03:00 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-106.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 05:05:06 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:03:26 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:03:29 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-36.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:25:10 *** Scuanor [~Scuanor@Pebc1.p.pppool.de] has left #openttd [] 06:36:36 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-36.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 06:44:26 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 06:47:15 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-106.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 06:49:19 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 06:49:24 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 07:05:03 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15:39 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad545e5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 07:17:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.165.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:21 <petern> professor 07:20:01 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad38379.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:02 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 07:21:27 <petern> who's preparing for 2009/02/13 23:31:30 celebrations? 07:36:46 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:42:56 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has joined #openttd 07:56:29 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:04 <Rubidium> there's not much special about that moment here 08:08:10 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 08:13:35 <petern> who's preparing for 2009/02/13 23:31:30 GMT celebrations? 08:13:44 <petern> :o 08:18:33 <Forked> 1234567890? 08:22:15 <dihedral> morning 08:22:15 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:24 <Brianetta> I celebrated 12:34:56 7/8/90 08:22:28 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:22:28 <Brianetta> Not much will top that 08:22:50 <Brianetta> I was in north Wales at the time, visiting my mum's parents 08:23:48 <dihedral> so basically your grandparents? 08:23:56 <Brianetta> yes; I was making it more specific 08:24:07 <Brianetta> ruling out my extremely rich grandparents 08:24:10 <dihedral> just checking :-P 08:24:44 <Brianetta> I only have one surviving grandparent now )-: 08:25:01 <Brianetta> She's extremely rich 08:26:03 <dihedral> i only ever new my grandparents from my mothers side 08:26:19 <dihedral> they live in Richmond :-P 08:26:39 <dihedral> lovely place 08:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know the grandparents from my father's side. they died before i was born 08:28:16 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, that is not entirely true, my grandfather died before that, my grandmother afterwards 08:28:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but i was quite young back then 08:29:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i do have faint memories of a flat with an oven (no central heating) 08:38:59 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=763729#p763729 <- oh my word! 08:39:31 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, same here - appart from the faint memories :-P 08:39:58 <dihedral> that kid from the post has like 45122 lines in his single (real) source file 08:41:36 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:18 <el_en> i have faint memory of seeing my great-grandmother alive. 08:43:24 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 08:47:49 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1BD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:56:48 <dihedral> odd - my eyes must be going bust... i dont c smallfly very # 08:57:03 * dihedral grins 08:57:43 *** Perfk [~Perfk@0x55509325.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:57:49 <Perfk> Morning all. can anyone tell me what the difference between the Nightly build, and the openTTD build? 09:00:06 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CC7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:00:41 <Roest> morning 09:01:31 <dihedral> morning Roest 09:01:54 <dihedral> Perfk, may i give you a hint? 09:02:08 <dihedral> try comparing release dates of the nightly builds and the sable builds 09:02:25 <Roest> i want a hint as well 09:02:44 <dihedral> and while looking at the _nightly_ builds, contemplate why they could possibly be called _nightlies_ 09:02:51 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:02:59 <dihedral> Roest, it's Layer 8 09:06:38 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:15:39 <smallfly> [09:53] <dihedral> odd - my eyes must be going bust... i dont c smallfly very # <-- ;-) 09:16:45 <petern> what is an "openttd build"? 09:16:56 <smallfly> what is openttd? 09:17:02 <petern> who knows 09:18:39 <Rubidium> the wiki? 09:19:06 <dihedral> petern, i believe Perfk means a stable build 09:19:34 *** Roest is now known as Guest678 09:19:44 *** prakti [~myself@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:19:48 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D767.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:49 <petern> dihedral, never assume ;) 09:21:11 * Rubidium wonders why dihedral didn't send Perfk to the wiki as it is a frequently asked question 09:21:56 <dihedral> Rubidium, i already sent him in here, because i wanted to stop him from asking in my games channel 09:23:01 <petern> hmm, why didn't we ever release 0.6.4... 09:23:59 <Perfk> wee. iam popular :) 09:24:30 <petern> @openttd commit 14455 09:24:31 <DorpsGek> petern: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 09:24:34 <petern> :o 09:25:24 <Rubidium> petern: because nobody could be arsed to figure out what to backport, to actually backport and go through the whole release thingy? 09:26:38 <petern> hehe 09:26:46 *** Guest678 [~schurade@p54B9CC7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:21 <dihedral> Rubidium, just release 0.6.3 as 0.6.4 and say it's a bug fix release :-D 09:27:40 <Forked> What's new: 09:27:47 <Forked> * Checking if our users actually read this list 09:27:54 <dihedral> hihi 09:27:57 <dihedral> they would :-S 09:28:01 <petern> dihedral: there is one bug fix 09:28:11 <dihedral> well, that's at least not a lie then 09:28:22 <dihedral> is the udp fix in there? 09:28:44 <dihedral> that could be backported (is fairly straight forward :-P) 09:31:40 <Rubidium> what udp fix? 09:34:05 <dihedral> the one where the game does not send client names in the udp packets anymore 09:34:12 <dihedral> packet version 5 09:34:15 <dihedral> instead of 4 09:34:49 <Rubidium> under what rock have you been living? 09:35:55 <Rubidium> or is there another issue you haven't made us aware of? 09:35:58 <planetmaker> morning 09:36:27 <petern> FS#mentioned-once-in-some-IRC-channel-when-nobody-was-around 09:37:44 <dihedral> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/branches/0.6/src/network/network_udp.cpp#L93 09:37:50 <dihedral> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/network/network_udp.cpp#L110 09:39:52 <dihedral> wait... 09:40:13 <dihedral> has that already been released? 09:40:37 <Rubidium> depends on what already means 09:40:55 <dihedral> in any stable release 09:41:28 <Rubidium> yeah, but only since uhm... like 0.6.2 09:42:06 <Rubidium> which is basically the (only) reason why debian lenny has 0.6.2 instead of 0.6.1 09:42:43 <Rubidium> apparantly the bugfixes in 0.6.3 weren't crash fixes 09:43:15 <dihedral> lol 09:43:18 <dihedral> i am behind 09:43:20 <Rubidium> hmm... actually there are crash fixes 09:43:29 <Rubidium> in 0.6.3 09:43:33 <petern> how's our debian repo going? 09:44:00 <Rubidium> ah well... debian-release denied blathijs' request 09:44:12 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:19 <Rubidium> petern: like mempools 09:44:31 <petern> oh 09:44:35 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:44:39 <petern> do mempools still need to be rewritten? 09:45:03 <petern> they've already had been rewritten somewhat since the original... 09:47:36 <Rubidium> I don't quite remember what the issues with the original were that should get fixed by the new one and what's already fixed in the current one 09:48:03 <petern> i think the main thing wanted was sparse pools, but i don't know why anymore 09:48:12 <petern> doesn't seem necessary 09:48:55 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 09:50:44 <petern> i think since the C++-ization it is no longer needed 09:51:28 <petern> i love bjarni's first comment... when did NPF ever use pools... 10:01:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B979.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:37 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:09:43 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:10:52 <blathijs> petern: The main advantage of my rewrite was that things are explicitely freed when they are destroyed 10:11:37 <blathijs> petern: The original pools "freed" a station by settion its id to 0 (or something like that), and then allocating a station looped all stations until it found one that has id 0 10:12:17 <blathijs> petern: My rewrite used a chain of free stations so allocation was O(1) instead of O(n) 10:13:03 <blathijs> petern: It also separated the allocation of stations and the allocation of station indexes 10:13:44 <blathijs> petern: Meaning you can use a pool for other things than indexed items (like buckets in a hashmap). This was originally the motivation behind rewriting the pools, since NPF spent quite some time free'ing and malloc'ing 10:15:55 <petern> so basically an internal memory allocator 10:28:27 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:34 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:29:54 <blathijs> petern: Yeah, because free and malloc need to work for any size allocation, they are not as efficient as they can be for allocating lots of (small) same sized blocks 10:30:02 <dihedral> blathijs, that sounds pretty awesome 10:30:34 <petern> hmm, well, one improvement i can think of for pools is variable size items, so... 10:31:10 <petern> the SpriteGroup pool is quite wasteful in some cases 10:32:16 <blathijs> petern: If you really need variable sized items, you should probably just use malloc and free 10:32:33 <blathijs> petern: Unless you have a few fixed sizes, then pools might still be useful (but then just a few pools) 10:32:36 <petern> these are pool items anyway 10:34:47 <petern> the smallest item is 2 bytes 10:35:44 <petern> the largest is 24 (or 32 on 64bit) bytes 10:36:55 <petern> even then malloc is also used :) 10:37:52 <petern> Rubidium: does using tinyenumt affect performance? 10:48:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:49:33 <Rubidium> petern: I reckon it might, although technically it should be the difference between int and byte in performance 10:49:50 <Rubidium> where int is whatever the compiler thinks is the best 10:55:42 <TinoDidriksen> And where int is fastest. Using smaller types is rarely a speed gain. 10:57:48 <Rubidium> using tinyenumt whereever you used byte shouldn't be a problem, but I'm not 100% sure about that; you need to look at the assembly differences 11:01:02 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:04:39 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1BD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 11:05:44 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:25 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179216109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:39:06 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B815DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81233.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:54:50 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:57:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:52 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23618.linc.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:20:32 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:38 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:23:27 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:25:20 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:28:46 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:37 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:37 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:36:12 <Gekz> manhugs 12:36:16 <Gekz> for the first man to demand one 12:37:20 <petern> are yours like bearhugs? 12:37:53 <Gekz> ... sure 12:38:10 <Gekz> except instead of claws 12:38:12 <Gekz> you get all sticky 12:38:27 <dihedral> Gekz is hairy :-P 12:38:33 <dihedral> fuzz-butt 12:38:40 <Gekz> I dont have fuzzbutt anymore 12:38:43 <Gekz> I plucked them all 12:38:45 <Gekz> one by one I did 12:38:52 <Gekz> then poured gratuitous amounts of alcohol 12:38:56 <dihedral> "not by the hair on my fuzzy butt butt" 12:38:59 <Gekz> onto the affected area for maximum effect 12:40:33 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23618.linc.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 12:43:59 *** alan13_ [~alan13@201.59.145.42] has joined #openttd 12:49:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15439 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2626]: call Vehicle::LeaveStation() before reversing overlength loading train (station triggers were missed, PBS reservation could cause crash) 12:54:49 *** alan13_ [~alan13@201.59.145.42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81233.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:34 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:58:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80E41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:58:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:04:03 *** Hexan [~Hexan@0x5da04c4a.arcnqu2.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:09:01 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm2.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:11:36 <planetmaker> he... seems there are website issues again? 13:12:04 <FauxFaux> In/deed/. 13:12:24 <PierreW> it/died/ 13:12:47 <FauxFaux> In/deed/. 13:12:50 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:12:54 <PierreW> oh/noes/. 13:12:59 <petern> what sort of issues? 13:13:15 <SmatZ> site is up again 13:13:17 <FauxFaux> Fixed now, was getting "connection refused" iirc. 13:13:41 <Forked> shut up 13:13:43 <Forked> :p 13:17:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:21:26 <Zahl> can i set the delay until chat messages disappear from screen? 13:22:09 <FauxFaux> No. 13:22:58 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has joined #openttd 13:23:47 <Zahl> hm ok *digs into source* 13:24:04 <FauxFaux> They're displaed for 10 days. 13:24:34 <Zahl> yeah 13:24:43 <Zahl> that kinda sucks if you made days last 20 times longer :P 13:24:54 <FauxFaux> Ah. :P I can't remember why I looked. 13:26:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:32:23 *** mauricio13 [~mauricio1@201.59.145.42] has joined #openttd 13:33:41 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:41 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 13:34:01 <mauricio13> oi 13:37:54 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:54 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:37:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:38:03 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:39:13 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has joined #openttd 13:40:24 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:30 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:45:49 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:01 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:49:31 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.48.180] has joined #openttd 13:53:05 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:53:53 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:53 *** mauricio13 [~mauricio1@201.59.145.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:19 * dihedral estao principe sapo 13:57:22 <dihedral> :-P 13:58:08 <Sacro> english only 13:58:18 * Chrill håller med Sacro 13:58:49 <Sacro> what's with all the (incompatible encoding) 13:58:55 <Sacro> are you not using utf8? 13:59:03 * dihedral is 14:00:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has joined #openttd 14:00:46 * Chrill doesn't know 14:01:04 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Gone for an insanity break] 14:02:30 <Sacro> Chrill: what irc client? 14:03:23 <Chrill> mIRC 14:08:39 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CCD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:49 *** Lisby [~Lisby@d40a9ee9.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:19:51 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 14:30:39 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:31:19 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CCD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:54 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CCD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:16 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:28 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has joined #openttd 14:42:17 <welshdragon> Chrill: yes, mirc supports utf8 14:44:08 <planetmaker> are there somewhat recent systems which don't support UTF8? 14:45:47 <petern> windows? 14:47:11 <Rubidium> OSX? 14:48:13 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I never had problems on any of my computers with it... at least somewhat recently. My old windows might have... 14:48:30 <planetmaker> My Mac did (and does again :) ) 14:48:37 <Rubidium> then why doesn OSX need iconv when we use UTF8 internally? 14:48:42 <Belugas> sincere condoleances 14:48:47 <dihedral> Rubidium, osx supports utf8!! 14:49:40 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I don't know iconv. But my text editors, browsers, mail progs, all handle utf8 nicely there. As does OpenTTD :) 14:50:23 <planetmaker> It needs only selecting the proper one afaik... 14:50:24 <dihedral> i have never had an issue like Sacro did with errors due to missing iconv 14:50:33 <Sacro> hmm 14:50:41 * dihedral pats Sacro on the head 14:50:51 <Sacro> i have to do --with-iconv=/usr/local 14:51:36 <petern> dihedral misses the point :D 14:51:44 <petern> iconv is needed because OSX *doesn't* support UTF8... 14:52:03 <petern> it has its own special encoding for filesystem stuff. 14:52:28 <planetmaker> hm... well. iconv seems to be part of the standard installation then. 14:54:02 <dihedral> petern, iconv was mentioned, the only time i picked up on iconv in combination with openttd was when Sacro mentioned issues he was having 14:54:14 <Sacro> yup 14:54:28 <planetmaker> anycase I never worried about iconv... 14:54:40 <petern> sacro has lots of issues 14:54:48 <dihedral> well, yeah 14:54:48 <planetmaker> :D 14:56:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:43 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:01:55 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:02:54 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:15 *** Lisby [~Lisby@d40a9ee9.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04:03 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:27 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has joined #openttd 15:12:41 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest719 15:12:43 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:13:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:12 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:14 *** Guest719 is now known as SmatZ 15:26:29 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:26:33 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has joined #openttd 15:28:01 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 15:33:40 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:54 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.172] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 15:38:22 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 15:38:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:47:33 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe7d7.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:50:23 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:28 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 15:53:36 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/shortlog <-- is not really up to date 15:54:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D15C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:54:05 <Progman> it isn't? 15:54:32 <Roest> only misses one commit tho 15:54:33 <planetmaker> no. vcs.openttd.org is more recent. 15:54:36 <planetmaker> yeah 15:55:37 <Belugas> whooaaaa.... I see my name on that page o_O 15:55:41 <Belugas> just.. why?? 15:56:28 <dihedral> odd 15:56:31 <dihedral> very odd 15:56:36 <planetmaker> very much so :) 15:56:41 <dihedral> hello Belugas :-) 15:56:55 <Belugas> mister dihedral jello 15:57:02 <dihedral> :-) 15:58:05 <planetmaker> g'evening from here, too :) 15:59:58 <Belugas> mister planetmaker jello 16:00:39 <dihedral> sounds like indian support center :-P 16:00:43 <planetmaker> :) 16:00:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:02:35 <Belugas> oui efendi, oui 16:05:46 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:41 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:41 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 16:12:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:15:48 *** wgrant_ [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:16:15 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:22 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:17:35 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179094049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:11 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179216109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:11 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:34:21 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 16:34:44 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:27 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.97] has joined #openttd 16:51:47 <Belugas> i'm pisitively and totally bored 16:51:52 <Belugas> -i+o 16:52:26 * planetmaker ponders about what would excite Belugas 16:53:09 <planetmaker> Some nice realistic-looking eye candy objects maybe? :P 16:56:09 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:16 <Chrill> Sacro still lost key to standard server Brianetta's? 16:57:21 <Belugas> to get me out of that log-reading job i'm enroled, might be a good start 16:57:56 <Belugas> planetmaker, of course, some gfx for some upcoming feature would be good too, indeed ;) 16:58:53 <planetmaker> hehe. Someone should kick SAC to actually *do* something instead of talking about what she all wants to do 16:59:33 <Belugas> well.. up until support is provided, there is little she can really do :P 16:59:38 *** BobbySixkiller [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:59:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:01:17 <planetmaker> :P well. I thought there was the possibility at least in TTDP - but that may just be some person talking big about it ;) 17:02:13 *** BobbySixkiller [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:42 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 17:03:14 * dihedral can think of a person :-P 17:03:19 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@ip565bdd29.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 17:05:02 <Belugas> if you think Oskar, no he did not finished the feature. Lakie made it, I'm just not sure if it has been commited. I'm working toward our version currently 17:05:08 <Belugas> little by little 17:05:23 <dihedral> :-) 17:05:29 <planetmaker> I did not think of Oscar at all :) 17:05:35 <dihedral> no - me neither 17:05:55 <planetmaker> rather a person more active in the forums :) 17:06:03 <dihedral> and i was rather thinking of a "person talking big about it" 17:06:15 <dihedral> :-P 17:06:18 <planetmaker> dihedral: that at the same time :) 17:08:15 <frosch123> you mean a special friend of belugas? :p 17:08:44 <planetmaker> hm... I don't know whether he's his special friend. He's a special "lover" of OTTD at least ;) 17:09:04 <frosch123> I think he is the second best friend of belugas after sirkoz 17:09:09 <planetmaker> :D 17:09:35 <planetmaker> kind of an accomplishment, eh? :) 17:10:36 <Belugas> ho... you mean the one who is oftenly referenced by two letters? mostly used for specifying a computer essential component? 17:11:06 <planetmaker> I guess you hit dead on target :) 17:11:24 <Belugas> Sirkoz... please... like... "I've got no clue of what i'm talking about but I make sure that what i'm saying sounds absolutely lovely" 17:11:25 <Chrill> Sacro Brianetta 17:11:27 <Chrill> Brianetta Sacro 17:12:26 <planetmaker> hehe :) 17:12:36 <Belugas> MB cold be right about newobjects in patch's trunk, i cannot confirm nor deny. But it should have been noted on wiki's the revision of the commit, and i do not see it 17:12:43 <Belugas> MB said that where? 17:13:12 <planetmaker> hm... dunno exactly - fuzzy memory. I thought in one of SAC's threads... 17:13:24 <planetmaker> new objects and stuff 17:14:50 * planetmaker goes looking 17:15:23 <planetmaker> But I might have gotten it totally wrong. I played TTDP only ages ago in the 90s. 17:16:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:17:54 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:19:11 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.44.17] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:53 *** Singaporekid is now known as Singaporebed 17:25:52 <planetmaker> I fail to find that, Belugas... 17:27:03 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 17:27:10 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.44.17] has joined #openttd 17:29:12 <Belugas> therefor, it might have not been said at all; 17:29:41 <planetmaker> exactly. :) 17:30:24 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has joined #openttd 17:30:49 <petern> people assuming again, i guess 17:32:11 <Sacro> yes Chrill ? 17:32:13 <planetmaker> yeah. Me :P 17:32:26 <Chrill> hi Sacro 17:32:35 <Chrill> server restart, is this a possibility? 17:32:38 <Chrill> it's hit 2050 17:32:39 <Sacro> errm... 17:32:51 <Sacro> I seem to be lacking in a public certificate, I think I'm locked out without it 17:33:03 <Chrill> :P 17:33:25 <Sacro> Yeah, I think I forgot to back it up 17:36:12 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:39:32 <Belugas> tss tss tsst 17:39:33 <Belugas> bad boy 17:45:12 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:45:25 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:46:25 <Sacro> Belugas: yes 17:50:14 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:50:21 <Yexo> hello 17:52:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:14 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:29 <petern> no u 17:56:25 <Sacro> me? 18:06:48 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 18:07:47 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.48.180] has quit [] 18:08:47 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177235084.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:07 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:12:26 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177229144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:14:27 <Wolf01> hello 18:14:39 <Rubidium> ehlo 18:17:18 *** Lisby [~Lisby@d40a9ee9.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:18:18 *** Lisby [~Lisby@d40a9ee9.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 18:19:40 <SpComb> how disruptive would it be if I were to starting operating a separate 'SpBot' nickname (irssi running on a different server) for logging purposes? 18:20:14 <Prof_Frink> Would it speak? 18:20:22 <SpComb> probably not apart from !logs 18:21:22 <SpComb> it would just be an irssi running /logs and a /trigger for !logs 18:21:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:22:46 <Belugas> could you add "And remember to make a bookmark of this URL" to the logs command? 18:22:59 <SpComb> heh 18:23:29 <SpComb> maybe stick the URL into the topic instead 18:23:37 <Sacro> http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii161/sweetrescue/warning.gif 18:23:39 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Nah, that can be Dorpy's /kick reason. 18:26:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:26:54 <petern> not another irc logging system :/ 18:27:04 <SpComb> a replacement for my current one 18:27:24 <SpComb> wasn't there some second one, with a URL in the ChanServ join-channel message? 18:29:23 <SpComb> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd <-- the current non-realtime development version 18:29:44 <el_en> SpComb: indeed, the !logs command should point to firefox and IE manuals about adding bookmarks/favorites. 18:30:36 <Sacro> what about other browsers? 18:30:41 <SpComb> that's more or less why I neglected to continue it for the past month or two 18:31:09 <Prof_Frink> Just go for the simple option. !logs points you out of the channel. 18:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a join message? 18:32:45 <el_en> nothing wrong with someone asking the url now and then, but when it's the same person every day, that's just unnecessary noise to the channel. 18:32:49 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:56 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:33:11 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: No 18:34:10 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has left #openttd [] 18:34:10 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 18:34:16 <SpComb> hmm, apparently not anymore 18:34:40 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not since we went away from freenode :p 18:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause> that was like... 2 years ago? 18:34:50 <SpComb> it used to point to thegrebs 18:35:00 <petern> the what? 18:35:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the site of mikegrb 18:35:17 *** Singaporebed [~notme@cm2.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (who is now supposed to appear because of random highlight :p) 18:37:12 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.44.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:34 * mikegrb kisses everyone 18:39:54 <mikegrb> http://thegrebs.com/irc/ 18:39:59 <frosch123> "ugly default font":) 18:40:04 <mikegrb> it's never been on join or such 18:41:11 <SpComb> frosch123: that's what it says in the PIL docs 18:41:19 <SpComb> and it /is/ ugly 18:41:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:50 <petern> ugly default font? 18:41:53 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 18:42:04 <SpComb> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last/20/png?image_font=default 18:42:35 <petern> urgh 18:45:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:45:57 <Roest> urgh indeed 18:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause> how does one get that? 18:46:12 <SpComb> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last/20/png?image_font=ttf-liberation-mono <-- well, there are nicer fonts :) 18:46:17 <Wolf01> stupid windows update 18:46:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not had any problems with windows update in almost 2 years 18:47:28 <Belugas> two years already we are here... 18:47:29 <Belugas> wowo 18:47:32 <Belugas> time flies 18:47:32 <Roest> that font is hardly any better 18:48:03 * SpComb doesn't know his fonts very well 18:48:20 <Wolf01> I have problems with windows update when it wants to reset my computer 18:48:42 <Wolf01> especially when I say no and it does it when I'm dining 18:48:45 <goodger_> Wolf01: just turn off automatic updates and run it properly 18:48:54 <Wolf01> just did it 18:49:01 <goodger_> good# 18:49:13 <Eddi|zuHause> more like two and a half year 18:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> my logs start at 12. Aug 2006 18:49:43 <Wolf01> I forgot about it because sunday I needed to restore the comp to factory 18:50:22 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:50:46 * Prof_Frink installs updates whenever the the little adept notifier tells him to 18:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and apparently, on 23. Jun 2006 i "deinstalled" Windows ;) 18:51:17 * goodger_ installs updates with a cron job 18:51:53 <SpComb> yes | sudo apt-get break-everything 18:52:09 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:35 <goodger_> or rather, security updates are automatically installed with a cron job; other updates are installed manually each day 18:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i try manual updates when i get tired of certain bugs, or when i happen to be in YaST anyway 18:54:31 <petern> hmm, ion is, apparently, not installable on ubuntu :o 18:54:32 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.45.185] has joined #openttd 18:54:54 <SpComb> petern: I'm running ion3 on ubuntu right now 18:55:12 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:55:14 <petern> ion3: Depends: liblua5.1-0 but it is not installable 18:55:17 <goodger_> Eddi|zuHause: I didn't know anyone used suse nowadays 18:55:23 *** goodger_ is now known as goodger 18:55:37 <Roest> <-- uses suse 18:55:50 <SpComb> petern: I also have the liblua5.1-0 package installed 18:56:07 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1BD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no specific (as in non-religious) reason to not use suse (for a generic desktop system) 18:56:28 <petern> no such package 18:56:39 <Zahl> did the color of chatlines in ottd change from white to gray recently, or am i just stupid? 18:56:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 18:56:54 <Roest> eddi for many people that decission is kinda a religious issue 18:57:07 <Zahl> Eddi|zuHause: the former or latter? :P 18:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. :p 18:57:21 <Zahl> awesome :-D 18:57:29 <Zahl> i like conversations like that 18:57:36 <planetmaker> yes? 18:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i do, too ;) annoys the people every single time :p 18:58:31 <Zahl> so i guess i have to download the current nightly to find out 18:59:08 <planetmaker> yes and yes it seem to have changed 18:59:23 <Roest> can you play the nightly before dawn? 18:59:29 <Zahl> hardly 18:59:54 <Zahl> hm ok cause i think you can hardly read the chat now 19:00:26 <smallfly> my friend dihedral also online? 19:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there a patch for altered chat display length? 19:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you get the idea that anybody is your "friend"? 19:02:07 <smallfly> was meant ironically 19:07:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm getting timeouts on the website 19:08:35 <frosch123> then enjoy the remaining time with dorpsgek 19:09:06 <Eddi|zuHause> DorpsGek has left the library. 19:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> DorpsGek has been saved. 19:09:54 <Sacro> petern: the ion guy is a wanker 19:09:58 <Sacro> and that's being polite 19:10:06 <blathijs> hehe 19:10:23 <blathijs> Sacro: He has an interesting personality :-) 19:10:39 <Sacro> blathijs: he pissed off the ArchLinux guys 19:10:58 <Sacro> so they said they'd never have his packages in the main repos again 19:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause> what is "ion" anyway? 19:11:58 <frosch123> a particle with an electical load 19:12:17 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so, like an electron? 19:12:43 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:12:51 <petern> Sacro, heh 19:13:02 <Sacro> wanker... 19:13:12 <Sacro> he hates the "FLOSS herd" 19:13:19 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:13:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause> is that like a Floss 47? 19:13:48 <frosch123> don't know, an electron might be an exception from the rule 19:14:04 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: No, more like the GNU/Hurd. 19:14:24 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: No, your rule was wrong. 19:15:27 <petern> Sacro, so are you aware of a free replacement? 19:15:33 <Sacro> petern: nope 19:15:46 <Sacro> well 19:15:47 <Sacro> 19:15:48 <Sacro> Awesome · dwm · echinus · Ion · Wmii · Ratpoison · stumpwm · xmonad · Xerox Star · Windows 1.0 · GEM (2.0 and Later) 19:16:32 <petern> hm 19:17:05 <Sacro> Windows 1.0 :D 19:17:11 <Darkvater> el_en: sir knight to you my dear peasant 19:19:18 <Sacro> so when did Darkvater last commit? 19:19:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 19:22:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15440 /trunk/src/ai/ (ai_instance.cpp api/ai_abstractlist.cpp): -Fix: Backup AIObject::GetAllowDoCommand and restore the old value so AIs can't work around it. 19:23:37 <Eddi|zuHause> there are a few posts which have "(Darkvater)" in them 19:24:11 <Darkvater> que? 19:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> r14684 | glx | 2008-12-17 00:02:22 +0100 (Mi, 17. Dez 2008) | 1 line 19:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause> -Codechange: use SubWCRev object to get version info instead SubWCRev.exe for tortoiseSVN (Darkvater) 19:24:37 <Darkvater> the last "commit" I had my hand in was fixing freetype AA in the nightlies 19:25:05 <Eddi|zuHause> r14397 | rubidium | 2008-09-25 01:25:24 +0200 (Do, 25. Sep 2008) | 2 lines 19:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> -Fix: possible buffer overrun, wrong parameter type passed to printf and && where || is meant. Found by MSVC's code analysis (Darkvater) 19:25:32 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1BD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 19:29:25 <Wolf01> reboot (installing developing IDEs, it might take some time) 19:29:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:29:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:31:34 <frosch123> rebooting after installing an ordinary piece of software... I can remember also having to do such things somewhen 19:31:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:32:06 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:32:21 <Roest> i wonder what he installed, i dont remember having to reboot after installing vs2008 19:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i still get the shivers when i think of that... 19:33:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:35:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:26 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:45:14 <NukeBuster> does BaNaNaS autoupdate? 19:45:32 <planetmaker> no 19:46:31 <NukeBuster> so when a new version of content I downloaded is available I should be able to redownload it manually? 19:46:36 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@ip565bdd29.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:43 <planetmaker> yes 19:46:45 <Roest> looks that way 19:46:53 <NukeBuster> ok, thank you. 19:46:59 <planetmaker> you're welcome 19:47:17 <planetmaker> If you play on your own it doesn't matter that much 19:47:33 <planetmaker> And if you play online, you'll get notified that you've missing grfs. So no problem really 19:51:43 * Belugas thinks Darkvater should join the ball and move on commiting... anything 19:52:26 <Belugas> ball ? 19:52:46 * Roest kicks the ball 19:53:21 <Belugas> ballroom... where people dance... 19:54:16 <planetmaker> :) 19:54:48 <planetmaker> which actually would be a good RL alternative... to any computer related activity 19:54:54 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:49 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:03 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/179579 <-- is that a known error? 19:58:53 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 19:59:18 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:00:43 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:24 *** steffan [steffan@67.202.106.29] has joined #openttd 20:11:48 <glx> yorick: not in trunk 20:11:57 *** steffan [steffan@67.202.106.29] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:12:03 <yorick> heh 20:12:45 <Belugas> planetmaker, it seems that yes, newobjects are indeed in patch's trunk 20:13:14 <planetmaker> oh? 20:13:28 <planetmaker> Did you ask, Belugas ? Or did you find it? 20:14:06 <Belugas> i asked to the man 20:14:24 <Belugas> i had some more questions to ask anyway 20:14:58 <planetmaker> :) He. Mostly people don't bite, I guess :) 20:15:04 <Roest> meaning of life and stuff? 20:15:39 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:21 <Belugas> climatology, if you really want to know :) 20:19:54 <petern> oh, that upsets me 20:20:16 <glx> planetmaker: so you have a working OSX dev env now? 20:20:31 <planetmaker> glx: I'm just testing it. But yes, seems like 20:20:38 <Sacro> i've just installed OSX on my desktop 20:20:46 <Sacro> now to see if my 9800GTX+ will work 20:21:03 <planetmaker> Sacro: is yours a Mac? Or a hackingtosh? :P 20:21:12 <Belugas> what, petern? 20:21:12 <Sacro> planetmaker: latter 20:21:18 <planetmaker> :D 20:21:35 <planetmaker> interesting 20:22:09 <Sacro> Yes 20:22:38 <Sacro> Phenom 2 940, 4GB DDR1066, 9800GTX+ 20:22:39 <planetmaker> I'll remember that when - if - I buy my next personal desktop pc :) 20:22:43 <Sacro> apple don't offer that 20:22:45 *** Powerek38 [~chatzilla@static-62-233-206-85.devs.futuro.pl] has joined #openttd 20:22:50 <Powerek38> hi 20:23:10 <Sacro> hey Powerek38 20:23:12 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D15C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:21 <Powerek38> I've just installed the lates nightly and is it normal that no competitor company is launched for the first 1,5 years of gameplay? 20:23:32 <planetmaker> absolutely 20:23:35 <Sacro> planetmaker: check the osx86 wiki and forums for parts 20:23:36 <planetmaker> you have to enable them 20:23:36 <Sacro> or ask me :p 20:23:50 <planetmaker> Sacro: I will then :) 20:24:07 <planetmaker> I read a few articles about that. Didn't seem like the easiest of endeavours 20:24:11 <Powerek38> planetmaker: and how do I do that? I've set the maximum number for 14 20:24:21 <Roest> that's alot 20:24:25 <glx> you need to get some AIs first 20:24:29 <planetmaker> Powerek38: do you have any AI? 20:24:37 <planetmaker> downloaded via content service? 20:24:41 <Sacro> planetmaker: heh, mostly it's easy 20:24:53 <Sacro> so long as you know what hardware you have and what kexts you need 20:24:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D15C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:24:57 <Powerek38> planetmaker: some, not all of them 20:25:02 <Powerek38> all right, I'll get all 20:25:02 <planetmaker> Sacro: so... you chose the hardware accordingly? 20:25:11 <planetmaker> Powerek38: not necessary 20:25:17 <planetmaker> open the console 20:25:20 <planetmaker> type there: 20:25:27 <planetmaker> start_ai <ainame> 20:25:30 <Sacro> planetmaker: errm, no... 20:25:33 <Sacro> sgiykda dibe] 20:25:39 <planetmaker> where ainame is the name of the ai. 20:25:45 <glx> "start_ai" is enough 20:25:50 <glx> will start a random one 20:25:56 <planetmaker> then it's random? :) Thx 20:26:03 <planetmaker> you read minds, glx :) 20:26:16 <Powerek38> ok, now a really silly one: how to access the console? 20:26:23 <planetmaker> key left of 1 20:26:24 <glx> well it's random if you didn't configure the start list :) 20:26:42 <Powerek38> many thanks for your help :) 20:26:45 <Powerek38> bye! 20:26:47 *** Powerek38 [~chatzilla@static-62-233-206-85.devs.futuro.pl] has quit [] 20:26:48 <planetmaker> you're welcome. bye 20:26:50 <planetmaker> ... 20:26:55 <glx> too late ;) 20:26:59 <planetmaker> yeah :) 20:27:17 <yorick> glx: same bug also happens on clean trunk 20:27:37 <glx> yorick: no 20:27:42 <petern> yorick: that's your compiler 20:27:45 <petern> go fix it 20:28:32 <yorick> heh 20:28:53 <Sacro> sigh, graphics card isn't working 20:28:55 <yorick> I am running the latest gcc version available with mingw 20:29:40 <planetmaker> Sacro: that's sad :S 20:29:50 <planetmaker> and much dimishes the joy of playing :D 20:29:59 <lolman> Sacro: define not working 20:30:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:30:46 <glx> yorick: the test version? 20:30:51 <yorick> yes 20:31:00 <glx> that's your problem :) 20:31:01 <planetmaker> then get a stable version, yorick 20:31:08 <yorick> the stable version doesn't compile openttd 20:31:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:31:21 <glx> 3.4.5 clearly does 20:31:25 <planetmaker> Err... I guess others use it? 20:32:13 <yorick> I was using that, I was told "3.4.5 is broken, switch to newer one" 20:33:25 <glx> who said that ? 20:33:52 <yorick> TB 20:34:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-217-106.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:38:52 <Darkvater> amen Belugas 20:40:39 <planetmaker> hi Darkvater, high priest of ottd ;) 20:40:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:41:09 <Roest> Wolf01 that was a long restart 20:41:40 <Wolf01> vs80 installation 20:42:00 <Wolf01> and now... where I put the files of ottd_useful? 20:42:25 <glx> just extract here somewhere and add paths in VS 20:42:37 <Roest> no put them in the include and libs dir 20:42:55 <glx> my system is easier to update :) 20:43:08 <glx> and to clean too 20:43:49 <Roest> i revert or check out a clean trunk so often that i dont like that :) 20:44:21 <Wolf01> do I need all the files or only shared and win32 folders? 20:44:41 <glx> include and win32 lib 20:45:04 <glx> but extracting the zip and set path in VS is the easier way 20:45:21 <Wolf01> ok, glx guide me :D 20:46:23 <Wolf01> I extracted the ottd_useful in d:\msys\home\OpenTTD\Ottd useful 20:46:33 <glx> extract the zip somewhere (you'll get a "OpenTTD Essentials" dir) 20:46:38 <Wolf01> yes that 20:46:50 <glx> then open VS 20:47:13 <glx> go to "Tools|Options" 20:47:45 <Wolf01> I'm here 20:48:32 <glx> "Projects and solutions" 20:48:39 <glx> "vc++ directories" 20:48:40 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe7d7.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:44 <Wolf01> I should add all the subfolders or only the "Openttd essentials"? 20:49:46 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 20:50:01 <glx> in dropdown you select "include files" and add d:\msys\home\OpenTTD\Ottd useful\OpenTTD Essentials\shared\include" 20:50:38 <glx> and win32\library for "library files" 20:52:04 <Swallow> in the meantime, please review http://paste.openttd.org/179581 20:52:14 <Swallow> nvm, wrong channel 20:52:16 <Wolf01> and win32\include for include files too? 20:52:42 <glx> it's empty ;) 20:53:29 <Wolf01> oh, nice 20:56:53 <Wolf01> there is an error with dmusic "fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'dmksctrl.h': No such file or directory" 20:57:04 <glx> wrong directx version 20:57:06 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:13 <glx> you need april 2007 IIRC 20:57:17 <Wolf01> oh 20:57:34 <glx> hmm no indeed you don't have directx at all ;) 20:57:41 <Wolf01> maybe I still have 9.0 instead of 9.0c 20:57:48 <glx> SDK I mean 20:57:58 <Wolf01> ah no, I think I don't have it 21:01:40 <Roest> Wolf01 http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions 21:02:27 <Wolf01> I was trying to open it, but seem that FF is again a bit slow 21:02:39 <Wolf01> thank you anyway 21:05:38 <Wolf01> whoa 2x500MB... I think I should have them around 21:07:47 <petern> how does OverrideManager work? 21:09:53 <petern> hmm, possibly not what i need 21:19:57 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [Poef!] 21:24:14 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:52 <Nite_Owl> 'Allo 'Allo 21:28:09 <dihedral> huu huu 21:28:12 <dihedral> ;-) 21:28:43 <planetmaker> kickerikieh 21:28:47 <planetmaker> :P 21:28:49 <Belugas> waht are you look for, petern? 21:29:54 <Rubidium> Ze flashing knobs! 21:30:23 <Nite_Owl> Good moaning 21:34:01 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:07 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923d1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:38:44 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest756 21:38:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:41:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:23 *** Guest756 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:03 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:47:04 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest759 21:47:04 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:50:14 <Sacro> Rubidium: hehe 21:50:22 <Sacro> ze fallen madonna with ze big boobies 21:51:44 <Nite_Owl> What a mistaka to maka 21:52:39 *** Guest759 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:00 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 21:58:43 <planetmaker> good night folks 21:58:57 <Belugas> u2, me 2 2 all 21:58:59 <Nite_Owl> later planetmaker 21:59:20 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:22 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas (?) 22:03:44 *** `Ka [~teab0y@79-67-239-92.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:03:48 *** `Ka [~teab0y@79-67-239-92.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #openttd [] 22:03:50 *** `Ka [~teab0y@79-67-239-92.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:07:45 <dihedral> [22:30] <Rubidium> Ze flashing knobs! <- are they undo knobs? 22:09:30 <Aali> aircraft in flight have tile set to 0, should this not be INVALID_TILE? 22:09:46 <Yexo> why? tile 0 works fine 22:10:04 <Yexo> I do agree INVALID_TILE would be nicer, but there is no real need for it 22:10:56 <Aali> I know, it's just a code style issue 22:10:59 <Wolf01> I need to download the ms platform sdk, if I download the one for windows server 2003 is it the same? the link on the wiki points that one 22:11:04 <Aali> but it did have me confused for a while 22:13:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.195] has joined #openttd 22:13:49 <Roest> Wolf01 for openttd? 22:13:55 <Wolf01> yes 22:14:24 <Roest> interesting 22:15:00 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CCD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:04 *** `Ka [~teab0y@79-67-239-92.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 22:20:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.165.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B979.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:51 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D767.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:25:41 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has quit [Quit: edgepro: Sanity is a full time job.] 22:30:00 <SmatZ> Aali: I was thinking about that codechange, but I wasn't sure how VehiclePosHash would handle it, and I didn't think about it further... 22:30:25 <glx> Wolf01: windows server 2003 R2 is platform sdk ;) 22:30:59 <Wolf01> ok, I'll try, last time it failed to install 22:31:30 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has joined #openttd 22:31:33 <Aali> I have no idea how VehiclePosHash works or even what it does :o 22:32:06 <glx> it's a very important stuff (used for vehicle collisions) 22:32:45 <Aali> aircraft can't collide though 22:34:01 <SmatZ> of course everything is doable, and I hope to do that once, but not now :-x 22:34:24 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has quit [] 22:34:26 <Aali> no rush :) 22:34:52 <SmatZ> ;-) 22:38:22 <Wolf01> 'night 22:38:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:38:43 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has joined #openttd 22:46:01 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 22:46:24 *** rortom [~rortom@5ac3dbe5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:47:15 <rortom> hi all 22:51:05 <rortom> RoR has nearly the same coding style as ottd now :) 22:52:44 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:56:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 23:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> SyntaxError: future feature antigravity is not defined 23:06:40 <goodger> quite 23:06:50 * goodger supports the banning of munroe from $conference 23:08:24 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: however, in 2.6... :P 23:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't try that currently ;) 23:10:55 <goodger> valhallasw: you mean 3.0, surely 23:11:12 <goodger> 2.6 has bugfixes and forward-compatibility backports 23:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "__future__" IS forward compatibility 23:12:34 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:39 <valhallasw> goodger: yes and no. I checked it; it's neither in 2.6 or 3.0; only in the trunk :) 23:14:52 <valhallasw> http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/antigravity.py?rev=66902&view=markup :) 23:14:56 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 23:16:38 <goodger> LOL 23:19:39 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d873e0a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 23:19:58 <Roujin> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&p=763925#p763925 <--- you know.. orudge is not THAT bad, Rubidium... 23:20:20 <Rubidium> Roujin: I know 23:20:24 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:43 <Rubidium> but replacing a seemingly non-offensive word like 'copyrighted game' with something more offensive and saying exactly the same as someone makes people think about the real implications 23:24:10 <petern> hmm, that seems to work 23:24:30 <petern> handling changing order of railtypes in a savegame 23:25:08 <petern> not much help if one is missing, mind you 23:26:11 <Eddi|zuHause> when one is missing, do the same as the "disable elrails" switch? 23:27:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. convert everything to conventional rail 23:27:30 <petern> ah, but if the rail type is missing, it is quite posible that the vehicles designed for that rail type are also unavailable 23:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause> so? 23:27:59 <Yexo> petern: not necesarily, if there are seperate rail and vehicle sets 23:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but missing vehicles are handled currently, as well 23:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> why change that behaviour? 23:29:02 <petern> i'm not 23:29:12 <petern> infact, defaulting to normal rail is what happens in my code 23:30:09 <Eddi|zuHause> for the rail, yes. but the vehicles need to get "powered on rail" 23:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... why is this neko guy always bragging about how bad his computer is? 23:31:12 <thingwath> Hm, I'm sorry, but I couldn't find it... what are these rail types good for? :o) 23:32:10 <Eddi|zuHause> how about typing "railtypes" in the search bar of the wiki? 23:32:33 <petern> not simple. railtypes are not saved for vehicles. therefore if the railtype doesn't exist, the vehicles end up with something else as their railtype anyway. 23:32:55 <petern> so if a railtype is missing all you're left with is an index for railtypes on the map with no other infomration 23:32:56 <thingwath> well, I don't understand newgrfs, so that railtypes page is not very useful for me... 23:33:21 <Roujin> eddi: actually what he's doing is bragging about how he has no idea and is immune to help from others... 23:34:25 <Roujin> thingwath: currently there are only four fixed rail types, normal rail, elrail, mono and maglev. petern is working towards being able to define new rail types with newgrfs 23:35:05 <Roujin> that's what it's about.. 23:35:42 <rortom> oh, nice :) 23:36:19 <Eddi|zuHause> narrow gauge electric rail 23:36:26 <thingwath> will it be possible to make a different voltage systems for elrail? 23:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause> narrow gauge rack railways 23:36:38 <rortom> cool :) 23:36:50 <rortom> i guess its quite some code to fix up :\ 23:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: yes, you can do that, but how would you visually distinguish a 50 Hz from a 16 2/3 Hz system? 23:37:22 <Roujin> making something that is fixed/hardcoded flexible is not an easy task.. 23:37:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing that does make sense is separating catenary (often AC) from 3rd rail (often DC) 23:38:03 <Roujin> but I'm positive that he'll eventually be successful :) 23:38:12 <petern> eventually? 23:38:16 <thingwath> I don't know. :) But on the other hand, it's so strange to have 25 kV/50 Hz vehicle on the same track as the 3 kV one... 23:38:20 <petern> it's been working in the hg repo for ages ;) 23:38:59 <rortom> oh o_O 23:39:18 <rortom> also, why you switched to hg? 23:39:21 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: make the graphics flicker at that speed? 23:39:28 <Roujin> so then you didn't merge it to trunk just for fun? ;) 23:39:39 <thingwath> 50 Hz flicker on 60 Hz LCD display? 23:39:42 <thingwath> :) 23:39:42 <petern> it needs a clean up 23:39:49 <petern> it's the first incarnation, it always needs tidying 23:40:11 <Roujin> but indeed I did not know you already have a working version 23:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure the americans actually used a 60 Hz system ;) 23:40:43 <Roujin> does it also have road types? 23:40:55 <petern> nope 23:40:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Roujin: do remember that you are talking with peter "i have a patch for that" nelson ;) 23:42:21 <Roujin> petern: aww, no test grf of the sprites andythenorth made for my trails hack then yet :P 23:42:59 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: so, can we have speed limits and axle weight limits on railtypes? 23:43:07 <petern> Eddi|zuHause: nope 23:43:12 <petern> not implemented 23:43:30 <petern> wouldn't take much to add those properties though 23:43:46 <thingwath> does the game have any information about how many axles vehicles have? 23:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: no, but the vehicle could get an axle weight property 23:44:53 <thingwath> loaded/empty? 23:45:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:03 <petern> number of axles 23:45:19 <petern> then axle load is simple 23:45:33 <petern> number of axles = 2, pretty much :p 23:45:48 <petern> except for steam engines 23:46:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it might be not as simple, but the weight might be not equally divided amongst the axles 23:46:05 * Rubidium wonders how it works with liquid cargo when the tank is half filled on a slope ;) 23:46:06 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. on steam engines 23:46:16 <petern> there's not enough spread to make much difference on carriages 23:46:21 <thingwath> tank cannot be half filled :o) 23:46:39 <Rubidium> thingwath: ofcourse it can 23:46:44 <petern> Rubidium: realistic gravity! 23:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i believe the tank wagons have internal walls 23:46:54 <thingwath> well, yes, it can, but there are internal divisions 23:47:25 <Eddi|zuHause> also minimises the effect of broken wagons 23:47:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "DÀÀ Dröbbeln zÀÀhln!" 23:48:10 <rortom> just redefine gravity :| 23:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: i don't think it makes a lot of sense to distinguish empty and full axle weight, if you do that, you also would need to allow for wagons to get 80% load, in order to be used on a lighter track 23:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> much easier to supply two different wagons 23:54:53 <fjb> Hm, a locomotive switching order comes to my mind then. 23:59:40 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon]