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00:00:06 <dihedral> if you dont know what extra zoom levels are then they are not what you are after, correct? 00:00:09 <Rogue-Wisema> well i have been trying to use the wiki.openttd.org stuff 00:00:26 <dihedral> ok, and what were you reading there? 00:00:35 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:01:18 <Rogue-Wisema> origional scale stuff mainly, just trying to workout how do i get it wroking 00:01:24 <Yexo> Rogue-Wisema: best would be to post a link to what you're trying to get 00:01:46 <Rogue-Wisema> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/List_of_downloadable_32bpp_tars 00:01:57 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:24 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:03:16 <Rogue-Wisema> atm i want to try and get the town pack into the game 00:03:27 <Yexo> Rogue-Wisema: are you using original or opengfx graphics? 00:04:31 <Rogue-Wisema> i dont know, i need to go to the basics and understand from the start... but the forums are scattered information and the wiki doesnt explain much there either (or i havnt found the right page) 00:04:42 <Rogue-Wisema> my guess is im trying to use the opengfx 00:05:41 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/images/e/e3/Intro_screen.png <- does your intro screen look exactly like this, or are the graphcis different? 00:06:20 * glx clicked on "Quit" :) 00:06:22 <Rogue-Wisema> except the version is 0.7.0 00:06:27 <Rogue-Wisema> so i have downloadable content 00:06:50 <Yexo> ok, then you're using the original base graphics 00:08:19 <Yexo> download town_pack.tar and put it in the data folder (best would be My Documents\OpenTTD\data) 00:08:24 <dihedral> glx: lovely :-D 00:08:25 <Yexo> but installdir\data will also work 00:08:53 <Rogue-Wisema> OpenTTD\content_download\data? 00:08:56 <glx> dihedral: I often try to move the map on screenshots too 00:09:14 <Yexo> Rogue-Wisema: that's fine too 00:09:30 <Yexo> but I ment OpenTTD\data 00:09:31 <Rogue-Wisema> then will it just run? 00:09:44 <Yexo> no, then you have to make sure you use a 32bpp blitter 00:10:00 <Yexo> open openttd.cfg 00:10:13 <Rogue-Wisema> this is where things got a little strange... i added the simple blitter 00:10:18 <Rogue-Wisema> under mic 00:10:18 <Yexo> which one? 00:10:23 <Rogue-Wisema> misc* 00:10:36 <Yexo> blitter = "32bpp-optimized" <- that should work 00:10:38 <Rogue-Wisema> keyboard_caps = 00:10:39 <Rogue-Wisema> blitter = 32bpp-simple 00:10:41 <Yexo> but 32bpp-simple is also ok 00:11:51 <Yexo> if you did that, just run the game and it should work 00:11:53 <Wolf01> 'night 00:11:54 <Rogue-Wisema> oh so i need quotations? 00:11:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:12:18 <Rogue-Wisema> should i change the sprite_cache_size aswell 00:12:30 <Yexo> Rogue-Wisema: you don't need the quotations, but openttd adds them automatically 00:12:55 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8f7.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:40 <Rogue-Wisema> just trying it now 00:16:53 <Rogue-Wisema> ok well the towns dont look like the new ones 00:17:40 <Rogue-Wisema> could i extract it out of the tar? 00:21:08 <Rogue-Wisema> this is gettin frustraiting 00:21:21 <Rogue-Wisema> what? dont the graphics work with the new beta build? 00:21:57 <glx> they should if they are not from extra zoom 00:23:49 <Rogue-Wisema> well im stuck 00:24:07 <Rogue-Wisema> i cant get any ones that arnt the downloadable content to work 00:26:14 <glx> there are no 32bpp graphics in content download 00:26:56 <Rogue-Wisema> so i need to disable the content download so the 32bpp grahics will work? 00:27:11 <Rogue-Wisema> or roll back to 0.6.3 00:27:16 <Yexo> no 00:27:21 <Yexo> but are you sure they don't work? 00:27:38 <Yexo> the town_pack.tar only changes a few sprites (mostly roads) 00:27:57 <Rogue-Wisema> yeah, i have them in the folder and the towns look the same (in particular the roads0 00:27:57 <Rogue-Wisema> ) 00:28:04 *** jfc [~jfc@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 00:28:30 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:28:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 00:28:37 <Rogue-Wisema> and the main toolbar looks the same 00:29:11 *** glx is now known as Guest841 00:29:11 *** glx|away is now known as glx 00:30:06 *** jfc [~jfc@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [] 00:30:27 *** Belugas_nomade [~jfc@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 00:31:07 <dihedral> [01:28] <Rogue-Wisema> or roll back to 0.6.3 <- give up that easily? 00:32:18 <Rogue-Wisema> well i dont understand why it isnt working, i have got the town_pack.tar in 3 different data folders at the same time (incase the problem is related to the directory it searches) and i havnt got anything else to try 00:32:25 <Rubidium> dihedral: fix your clock, it's off-by-one 00:32:42 <Rogue-Wisema> could be a vista issue? 00:32:44 *** Belugas_nomade [~jfc@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:54 <dihedral> Rubidium, ntp 00:32:56 *** Guest841 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:12 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfc@ip-12.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:27 <Rubidium> dihedral: then actually run ntp 00:33:32 <dihedral> i do 00:33:41 <Rubidium> well, then why is it off-by-one? 00:33:50 <dihedral> ask apple i use their server 00:34:22 <Rubidium> oh, that explains... 00:35:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:51 <glx> Rogue-Wisema: what's the content of the tar ? 00:35:54 <Rubidium> Rogue-Wisema: did it work in 0.6.3? 00:36:18 <Rubidium> what base graphics are you using? Copied them from a TTD for DOS CD or from and TTD for Windows CD 00:36:23 <Rubidium> or are you using OpenGFX? 00:36:29 <Yexo> glx: the tar is fine, I just checked and it works here 00:36:31 <petern> Rubidium: no 00:39:23 *** tkjacobsen_ [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:51 *** dfox [~dfox@rb5cm232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:03 <petern> i guess it's supposed to check if a sprite character is valid but it doesn't do that 00:42:50 <Rubidium> still, sprite characters seem quite unuseful in filenames, chat messages and other stuff send over the network 00:43:03 <petern> quite 00:43:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15535 /trunk/src/ (31 files in 3 dirs): -Fix (r15460, pre noai merge): use '.' as 'any' for squirrel calls typechecking as stated in squirrel docs 00:47:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15536 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqstate.cpp: [Squirrel] -Revert (r15533): no need to change squirrel code when it already provides the required feature 00:48:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15537 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Fix (r5215): don't allow special sprite characters (e.g. the ship sprite) as characters in input like filenames or text that is sent over the network. 00:49:44 <dihedral> commit junkies :-D 00:51:13 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:52:31 *** rip-off [~chatzilla@86-43-203-54-dynamic.b-ras1.wtd.waterford.eircom.net] has joined #openttd 00:53:18 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 00:55:16 *** rip-off [~chatzilla@86-43-203-54-dynamic.b-ras1.wtd.waterford.eircom.net] has quit [] 00:56:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:06:45 <dihedral> now portal really disappoints me 01:09:27 <Rogue-Wisema> oh whops sorry, had a shower and some breakie 01:09:49 <Rogue-Wisema> theres a folder sprites\trg1r\*.png's 01:09:59 <Rogue-Wisema> and im using windows source 01:10:41 <Rogue-Wisema> the grf's work, but not the png's 01:11:37 <Yexo> Rogue-Wisema: are you using the dos or windows original graphics? 01:12:05 <Rogue-Wisema> im pretty sure its the windows ones 01:12:25 <Yexo> start the game and take a look in the game options window 01:13:14 <Rogue-Wisema> isnt the unifish version the windows ver? 01:14:06 <Yexo> I have no idea what unifish is 01:14:19 <dihedral> what are the files named 01:14:32 <dihedral> trailing w in the name or not 01:14:34 <dihedral> ;-) 01:15:12 <Rogue-Wisema> both are there 01:15:13 <Yexo> for the original graphics it's a trailing r or not 01:15:32 <Yexo> do you have trg1r.grf or trg1.grf? 01:15:56 <Rogue-Wisema> r 01:16:03 <Rogue-Wisema> theres an r @ the end of the files 01:16:29 <Yexo> so you're using the original windows graphics 01:16:35 <Rogue-Wisema> yes 01:16:37 <Yexo> and sprites\trg1r\*.png should be ok then 01:17:23 <Rogue-Wisema> yes 01:17:48 <Rogue-Wisema> can i just recompile trg1r.grf, and if so, how 01:20:24 <Rubidium> Rogue-Wisema: you're using 32bpp-simple as blitter, right? 01:20:42 <Rogue-Wisema> yes 01:20:46 <Yexo> I don't know if you can recompile trg1r.grf (think it's possible with grfcoded), but it won't help you 01:21:02 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:04 <Rubidium> can you start a game and enable 'full animation'? 01:21:10 <Rubidium> does the water flash? 01:21:22 <Rubidium> (after enabling the animation that is) 01:21:29 <Rogue-Wisema> no the water doesnt flash 01:21:35 <Rogue-Wisema> how do i enable it 01:21:44 <glx> so the blitter seems right 01:22:39 <Rubidium> what's the exact path of trg1r.grf? And with exact I mean with the exact capitalisation of the characters 01:22:58 <Rogue-Wisema> D:\Games\OpenTTD\data 01:23:21 <Rubidium> and the filename? does it have upper case characters? 01:23:44 <Rogue-Wisema> no 01:23:47 <Rogue-Wisema> all lowercase 01:23:51 <Rubidium> and the trg1r directory with pngs is in there? 01:24:29 <glx> it's in the tar 01:25:07 <glx> maybe put the tar in D:\Games\OpenTTD\data too 01:25:08 <Rogue-Wisema> yeah its in the tar 01:25:23 <Rubidium> then I'm officially out of clues/ideas why it's not working for him 01:25:24 <Rogue-Wisema> ok, but theres a sprites dir b4 the trg1r folder 01:25:54 <glx> that's ok :) 01:26:21 <Rogue-Wisema> im going to take out the \sprites\ part and see how it goes 01:26:42 <glx> the sprites part is required 01:26:43 *** dfox [~dfox@rb5cm232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 01:29:23 <Rogue-Wisema> ok i figured it out 01:29:43 <Rogue-Wisema> one of the download content is messing with it 01:29:57 <Rogue-Wisema> thanks for ur help guys :D 01:30:02 <dihedral> which one? 01:30:08 <Rubidium> opengfx... 01:30:09 <Rogue-Wisema> not sure 01:30:17 <Rogue-Wisema> no its origional_windows ones 01:30:23 <dihedral> ?? 01:30:30 <glx> it's not in download content 01:30:46 <Yexo> any newgrf that replaces the road sprites will make that town_pack.tar not work 01:31:04 * Sacro yawns 01:31:27 <dihedral> good yawning sir 01:32:20 <Rogue-Wisema> im just trying to figure out which one is doing it 01:34:56 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:40 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177226176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:37:40 <Rogue-Wisema> TTO conversion was conflicting 01:38:55 <Rogue-Wisema> thanks for ur help guys, i gotta get some work done 01:38:57 *** Rogue-Wisema [Nic@115.131.0.49] has quit [] 01:41:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 01:42:22 *** KenjiE20|LT 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[~timo@p3EE3E274.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:51:51 <Felicitus> good morning 02:52:25 <Yexo> morning Felicitus 02:52:58 <Felicitus> i'm deaf! 02:54:15 <Felicitus> at least i dont need ears when coding :D 03:00:53 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 03:09:08 <Felicitus> hmm, how do you guys put the squirrel stuff into a freshly checked out openttd? symlink? 03:09:27 <Yexo> use svn and it'll be checkout out automatically 03:09:36 <Felicitus> hmm i'm using git 03:09:49 <Yexo> the you'll have to check out squirrel manually 03:10:07 <Yexo> s/the/then/ 03:10:19 <Felicitus> yes, but the configure script don't accept a custom location for squirrel, no? 03:11:00 <Yexo> no, but you can just check out squirrel inside src/3rdparty/ 03:11:08 <Felicitus> ok 03:11:37 <Felicitus> so i have to add 3rdparty to the git ignore :( 03:14:08 <Yexo> good night :) 03:14:20 <Felicitus> good night yexo 03:31:30 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit 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Unaimed [~moo@ua-83-227-175-8.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:16:40 <Felicitus> hello yexo 08:16:46 <Felicitus> yes, i'm still here :) 08:16:46 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:52 <Yexo> congratz with getting a train running :) 08:17:14 <Felicitus> thanks :) the results look pretty good for now 08:17:19 <Yexo> and I found a function you might find usefull, although I'm a bit late. 08:17:26 <Felicitus> which one? 08:17:31 <Yexo> Calling notifyallexceptions(false); disables printing of all catched exceptions 08:17:49 <Felicitus> :) 08:18:00 <Felicitus> yes, its already to late, i completely avoided exceptions 08:18:21 <Felicitus> its a bit unorthodox - as soon as building a track fails, all subsequent track building calls immediately return 08:18:42 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:18:42 <Yexo> as long as it works :p 08:18:45 <Felicitus> yep 08:18:52 <Felicitus> there's alot of stuff i need to change later 08:19:01 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 08:19:18 <Felicitus> the station site finder for example...it just iterates from all coordinates and tries to place the station layout there :) 08:19:25 <Felicitus> but it works pretty quick 08:20:01 <Yexo> be sure to test your AI with lower AI speeds (as can be set in the difficulty window) 08:20:19 <Yexo> that can make a huge difference 08:20:29 <Alberth> if there is enough room, it apparently finds a good spot soon 08:20:32 <Felicitus> construction speed? or opcodes? 08:20:37 <Yexo> construction speed 08:20:42 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:49 <Felicitus> does this also apply to test calls? 08:21:15 <Yexo> construction speed sets how often your AI gets a tick 08:21:21 <Felicitus> oh ok 08:21:25 <Yexo> very fast = every AI gets called every gametick 08:21:35 <Yexo> fast = every AI gets called every second gametick 08:21:36 <Felicitus> well, now it takes a littlebit more time 08:21:45 <Felicitus> but it still is acceptable 08:24:55 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 08:25:16 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:35 <Felicitus> now its time for the AI to automatically extend the train with wagons and enlarge the station if it has enough money over for the initial track 08:26:58 <Felicitus> by the way, the max_cost parameter in the RailPathFinder it is the cost of the internal cost calulcation, not the real money, right? 08:27:13 <Yexo> that's right 08:27:21 <Yexo> it doesn't keep track of the real money at all 08:27:55 <Felicitus> okay, i work with a multiplicator of 2 for the pathfinder - works pretty good. of course the tracks arent perfect, but they are good enough to start with 08:28:34 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 08:29:36 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:13 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:47 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:30 <Felicitus> time for bed 08:40:32 <Felicitus> good night 08:40:36 *** Felicitus [~timo@p3EE3E274.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:44:57 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 08:46:37 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 08:46:45 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:49:21 *** neli [micha@88.159.210.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:50:57 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 08:51:52 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:53:49 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 08:55:07 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 08:56:16 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has 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Alt-tab doesn't work for me 09:28:40 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:29:38 <el_en> you mean in fullscreen? 09:29:58 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 09:30:31 <Tefad> Unaimed: depends on your window manager. alt+tab works in many 09:30:48 <Tefad> you can also try alt+rmb and drag your foreground window out of the way 09:30:55 <el_en> not in fullscreen. 09:31:02 <Tefad> oh really? 09:31:10 <Tefad> i can move full screen mplayer windows no problem 09:31:18 <Tefad> again, probably depends on your window manager 09:31:43 <el_en> Tefad: i think we were talking about openttd, not mplayer. 09:31:57 <Tefad> yes, but i'm not clear as to why the behavior will be the same 09:32:03 <Unaimed> i'll try that 09:32:06 <Tefad> i've not run ottd in a while. i plan to soon though 09:32:10 <petern> if it's fullscreen, you can't 09:32:14 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 09:32:16 <petern> this is the fault of SDL 09:32:30 <Tefad> my solution is to run it in windowed mode with the resolution similar to that of my display 09:32:35 <Unaimed> petern, so it isn't possible? 09:32:45 <el_en> Tefad: because it doesn't work the same way as mplayer. do you need to be so smart without even trying? 09:32:56 <petern> correct 09:32:58 <Tefad> you can position the window in such a way that the decorations are off screen. 09:33:21 <Tefad> el_en: excuse me. i am merely making suggestions. i am not saying i am correct. 09:33:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:33:31 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:34:13 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:20 <Wolf01> hello 09:34:27 *** George35 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 09:34:37 <el_en> ciao, Lupo01 09:36:47 <el_en> a few years ago i attempted to change SDL so that its fullscreen wouldn't be a "real" fullscreen but a borderless window at screen resolution. 09:37:07 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:21 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45686.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:34 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45686.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:38:06 <el_en> but due to my very limited skills on X11 programming, I didn't manage to make the window float above top/bottom panels. 09:38:43 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:57 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:57 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:11 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:09 <petern> heh 09:45:28 <petern> a train depot with $lots of vehicles in it makes PBS suck hard :/ 09:47:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:58 <Wolf01> make drive trough depots then 09:49:17 <Tefad> hmm, yes sdl fullscreen does suck. i don't remember it because i decided against using it many many years ago 09:52:02 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:52:38 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45686.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:57 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad4569b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:54:52 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:54:52 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest919 09:54:52 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 09:57:36 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:59:08 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:00:30 *** Guest919 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:01 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:26 *** Unaimed [~moo@ua-83-227-175-8.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:47 *** Unaimed [~moo@ua-83-227-175-8.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:12:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80038.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:15:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80994.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:15:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:15:42 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad4569b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:14 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d19f.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:17:17 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.107] has joined #openttd 10:17:37 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:21:07 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~OsteHovel@148-133-900.ggsn.netcom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:23:47 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:44 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:31:22 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:56 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:35:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:36:33 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:33 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:37:40 <George35> DaleStan: Is Vehicle cargo info (47) available in purchase window? 10:37:48 *** George35 is now known as George 10:39:10 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:42:36 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:07 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:49:17 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:49:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc37.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:49:46 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:42 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:59:10 <Elukka> what's this thing about program files being read only on vista? 10:59:18 <Elukka> is this something that applies to non-admin accounts only? 10:59:23 <Elukka> because mine sure are writable 11:04:57 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:07:36 <dihedral> his first name starts with a g and his last name is uest 11:08:24 <dihedral> was a bit surprised when he got his computer and the account already existed :-P 11:10:13 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:07 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:40 <Elukka> no, i know there is something like that invista 11:15:42 <Elukka> in vista* 11:15:52 <Elukka> i've seen people having problems with it in other games, too 11:15:59 <Elukka> i'm just curious since i have never encountered it 11:20:30 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.107] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 11:21:12 <welshdragon> http://www.isengard.co.uk/images/JPEGS/S9_DW18-2-09BS%20culprit.jpg < interest is picking up on myidea 11:21:16 <welshdragon> oops 11:21:20 <welshdragon> wrong link 11:21:30 <welshdragon> that picture is still funny though :D 11:21:56 <dihedral> why is it funny? 11:21:58 <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=41918 is what i meant to link to 11:22:12 <Elukka> his idea is mass transit for sheep 11:22:26 <dihedral> it's a dog 11:22:32 <welshdragon> it\s a sheep 11:22:52 <dihedral> :-P 11:22:57 <Elukka> welsh, i have actually wanted that creature for a long time 11:23:15 <Elukka> first there were speed signs, then that patch fell out of development 11:23:22 <Elukka> then there were route markers, same happened to that.. 11:23:46 <welshdragon> Elukka: 8D 11:23:55 <Elukka> what 11:23:56 <Elukka> feature 11:23:57 <Elukka> not creature 11:24:00 <Elukka> yeah so i'm tired 11:24:10 <welshdragon> (cool dude) 11:24:52 <Elukka> i deny any and all potential allegations of being inclined to sheep 11:25:46 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:26:32 * welshdragon cioies and oastes that into the tycoon QDB 11:26:52 <Elukka> there's a QDB? :D 11:28:50 <welshdragon> http://qdb.tt-forums.net/i 11:29:54 <welshdragon> that should be added to the topic 11:30:07 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:56 <Wolf01> bah, you missed most of the ones I saved :D 11:37:46 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~OsteHovel@148-133-900.ggsn.netcom.no] has joined #openttd 11:38:09 <OsteHovel^PDA> Is it posible to play CO-OP with a AI? 11:38:15 <OsteHovel^PDA> (svn version) 11:38:20 <dihedral> no 11:38:38 <Wolf01> Yes it is, cheat mode, but I don't know if the AI will be happy 11:38:46 <OsteHovel^PDA> Hehe 11:38:53 <OsteHovel^PDA> oo i got an ide. 11:38:56 <OsteHovel^PDA> *idea 11:39:05 <dihedral> does the ai not quit as soon as one cheats and interfears? 11:39:13 <OsteHovel^PDA> if i create a network server and add ai's then join the server :P 11:39:22 <OsteHovel^PDA> maybe i can join the ai's company 11:39:33 * OsteHovel^PDA needs to test it out 11:40:04 <dihedral> you cannot 11:40:21 <dihedral> you cannot join ai companies on mp games 11:43:30 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050252022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:47:20 <OsteHovel^PDA> noo.. i cant join the oftc.net irc server at my laptop 11:47:27 <OsteHovel^PDA> it cant connect 11:47:59 <OsteHovel^PDA> it worked when i just used ip and not dns 11:48:02 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 11:48:05 *** OsteHovel^PDA [~OsteHovel@148-133-900.ggsn.netcom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15539 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: If an aircraft cannot carry any available cargo, it should not be available either instead of falling back to passenger/mail. Just like the other vehicle types also do. 11:54:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15540 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Testing of 'only_this' in CmdRefitRoadVeh() could be skipped by 'continue'. 12:06:56 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:06:56 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:13 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:08:11 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f050252022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:08:11 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050252022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:11 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:11:02 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C651.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:50 <LUADuck> damnit 12:21:59 <LUADuck> autostart is a bust 12:22:26 <LUADuck> it's all setup for configuring a client 12:22:41 <LUADuck> anyone know of any properly made dedicated-mode ones? 12:25:01 <dihedral> a-whodi 12:30:01 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:32:46 <dihedral> LUADuck, what's the issue? 12:36:22 <planetmaker> g'day 12:36:57 <dihedral> oi 12:41:53 * SHRIKEE eyes some people 12:42:12 * SHRIKEE wonders if the biggest map can be one huge city ^^ 12:42:32 <SHRIKEE> well, all the hundreds of smaller ones... covering the entire thing 12:42:49 <planetmaker> SHRIKEE: yes. 12:42:53 <SHRIKEE> neat 12:42:58 <SHRIKEE> i got some work to do then 12:43:01 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:18 <planetmaker> I think you have a very yelling nickname 12:43:31 <SHRIKEE> .. 12:43:41 <planetmaker> (all caps) 12:43:53 <SHRIKEE> nothing i can do about that 12:44:18 * planetmaker had a choice about his nickname 12:44:27 <SHRIKEE> so did i, i chose this 12:44:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:47:14 <Roest> so shrike was taken or is it no reference to hyperion? 12:48:51 <dihedral> SHRIKEE, try using caps lock for a change 12:49:13 <SHRIKEE> I WILL dihedral 12:49:16 <SHRIKEE> ;) 12:49:29 <SHRIKEE> Roest: yea a slight reference, but that's Shrike, isn't it? 12:50:00 <SHRIKEE> although a shrikee is a bird also 12:50:16 <planetmaker> which would be much nicer 12:50:25 <dihedral> birds are small 12:51:01 <SHRIKEE> so are you if you think that nitpicking over ones nickname is useful 12:51:56 <dihedral> nitpicking is not the part that makes it useful 12:52:07 <SHRIKEE> then what :o 12:52:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15541 /trunk/ (15 files in 3 dirs): 12:52:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Revert (r15399): 'v->cargo_type' is also used in other places, which cannot accept CT_INVALID. 12:52:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Add Engine::GetDefaultCargoType() and Engine::CanCarryCargo() and use them. 12:52:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2617]: When articulated parts have no available default cargo, use the cargo type of the first part for livery selection. 12:52:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change: To decide whether a vehicle is refittable do not test its current capacity for being zero, but always use the 'capacity property'. 12:52:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Note: The property is used unmodifed without calling CB 15/36. By setting it to a non-zero value and returning zero in the callback vehicles can be refitted to/from zero capacity for e.g. livery effects. 12:52:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Note: It is intentional that you cannot control refittability by CB 36. 12:53:15 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-away 13:01:55 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.97.28] has joined #openttd 13:08:32 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:03 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d19f.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:24 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:25:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15542 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Feature(ette): Support vehicle vars 0x47 and 0xF2 in purchase list. 13:27:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15543 /trunk/ (docs/openttd.6 src/openttd.cpp src/video/dedicated_v.cpp): -Change: allow the default debug level of 6 for a dedicated server to be overriden by -d (if used after -D). 13:29:01 <Forked> hmm.. in the 0.7.0-beta1 .. on a 2k*2k map. is it normal that it makes 4+ oil rigs within the first year? (Startyear: 1975 with coast line on just one side of the map) 13:29:28 <Rubidium> sounds normal to me 13:29:42 <Forked> okies :) 13:33:02 <KenjiE20> oil rigs appeaer from the 70s onwards iirc, so yea, sounds fine to me 13:33:05 <KenjiE20> appear* 13:33:14 <frosch123> hehe, number of industries created is proportional to map size. maybe water/land industries should be proportional to water/land mass. though at map with a big lake filled with oil rigs might also look weird :p 13:33:34 <Forked> just that the last (but patched, so I tried with some fast forward here) had us with get oil rigs every 15 blocks 13:33:45 <Forked> what a nice sentence, forked. you really borked it. 13:35:57 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:36:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 13:36:51 <Forked> frosch123: that would be nice :-) 13:37:59 <Rubidium> Forked: you could try disabling multiple industries per town 13:38:48 <Forked> as well as the "close to each other". yep.. I thought I had, sorry 13:51:26 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:52 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:52:09 <Sacro> I was walking along the pavement and there was this sign that said, "Pavement ahead closed. Please use other side." 13:52:09 <Sacro> It made me cross. 13:53:01 <Bjarni> o_O 13:53:07 <Bjarni> Sacro was outside??? 13:53:13 <Sacro> Yes 13:53:37 <Bjarni> did you carry your MacBook? 13:57:54 <Elukka> are you sure you didnt get fresh air poisoning from too much exposure? 13:58:06 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@62.199.17.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:26 *** Yeggs-away is now known as Yeggstry 13:59:27 <Bjarni> you know Oxygen can be quite dangerous 13:59:35 <Bjarni> too much of it can kill you 14:00:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15544 /trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp: -Fix [FS#2650]: extracting downloaded content didn't work for Windows if one uses a non-ASCII. 14:02:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15545 /trunk/src/ship_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2653]: if a buoy was placed directly in front of a dock, that dock was seen as a buoy and thus skipped once within 3 tiles. 14:03:28 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, i have it on a leash 14:06:38 <Rubidium> Bjarni: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.humor.funny/browse_thread/thread/3f985a069a2a19d8/ 14:08:02 <Bjarni> I once got an email regarding contaminated water.... It was contaminated with bacteria instead though :s 14:08:58 <Prof_Frink> Dangerous stuff, that DHMO 14:09:22 <Sacro> yep 14:09:48 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:12 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:14:32 <glx> yes it can even destroy steel 14:19:00 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 14:19:57 *** RvGaTe [~rvgate-de@dhcp-077-250-020-084.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:46 *** RvGaTe [~rvgate-de@dhcp-077-250-020-084.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:53 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet611.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:27:42 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:39 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:04 *** Eoin 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15:47:56 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:47:56 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:15 <extspotter> I only knew through the screenshot thread with the catalonia 24hr thing 15:51:17 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51:37 <extspotter> thanks 15:51:43 <frosch123> it is no official feature, and I cannot remember having seen someone releasing that patch somewhere 15:52:36 * Belugas_Gone vomits 15:53:09 * welshdragon returns 15:53:09 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:53:23 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:35 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 15:54:03 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:34 <Roest> frosch123 i think i recently have read about a patch that introduces some global clock 15:54:38 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:55:04 <Roest> but it's still crazy 16:01:07 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 16:04:43 *** extspotter [~extspotte@host86-133-245-43.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 16:11:45 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 16:26:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:30:02 * welshdragon wonders if a dev will code his request? 16:31:21 <FauxFaux> If only there was an issue tracker for these kind of things. 16:34:08 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 16:34:48 <Alberth> FauxFaux: we have one, it's called the Suggestions Forum :P 16:35:27 <Belugas_Gone> or bugs.openttd.org 16:35:43 <Belugas_Gone> like... oh bugger... a suggsetion :( 16:35:51 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro_] 16:36:04 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:38:31 <Belugas_Gone> what was the suggestion. anyway? 16:39:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15546 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2651]: keep_all_autosave ignored for dedicated servers/spectators. 16:43:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15547 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Codechange: Eliminate all == and != comparisons between v->cargo_cap and v->cargo.Count() to improve behaviour wrt. broken/incompatible grfs. 16:46:01 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:56 <db48x> that is a bit insane 16:51:39 <db48x> could be fun though 16:51:50 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 16:52:13 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined 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dedicated mode 17:01:59 <Ammler> you might missing SDL 17:02:01 <jpm> hmmm 17:02:35 <Ammler> install openttd over aptget or whatever kubuntu is using 17:02:41 <Ammler> then it does install the missing libs. 17:03:56 <Belugas> was gonna say that :) 17:04:16 <Belugas> basically, you built it yourself didn't you? 17:04:31 <jpm> I installed it now from apt-get but didn't help yet.. 17:04:47 <jpm> Yes, I build it myself 17:04:50 <Ammler> then, you will still miss the devel-libs, I fear. 17:05:02 <jpm> like? 17:05:22 <Ammler> @wiki compile 17:05:31 <Belugas> like on wiki.openttd.net 17:05:42 <jpm> :) 17:06:23 <jpm> I prefer wiki.openttd.org ;) 17:06:49 <Ammler> just read one of them :P 17:07:26 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:37 <jpm> Actually I tried to find help from one of them but I found only guides for win... 17:08:09 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:09:02 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Compiling_on_Linux 17:10:00 <Belugas> ho... net... org of course :P sorry 17:11:07 <Belugas> that was what i needed for ubuntu -> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Compiling_on_Linux#Debian_and_Ubuntu 17:11:21 <Belugas> nuoon about kubuntu, but i guess it might be quite the same 17:11:32 <Belugas> -nuoon + dunno 17:12:07 <Ammler> looks almost that easy as suse ;-) 17:12:58 <Ammler> hmm, Gentoo looks the easiest. 17:13:07 <KingJ> Gentoo easy?! 17:15:14 <|Jeroen|> yeah gentoo is easy once installed 17:16:19 <welshdragon> Belugas: speed restrictive signals (response to 16:38 post) 17:17:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:19:13 <Belugas_Gone> welshdragon: do not count on me for that. last time i playd with signals, i got quite a bit frustrated by the updating mechanism 17:19:33 <welshdragon> Belugas_Gone: heh, ok 17:20:17 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] 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<Eddi|zuHause> db48x: the diagonal bits are (theoretically) 0.7 times the length of a normal track, but the game treats them as 0.5 length 19:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause> so the trains get 0.7/0.5 times faster, i.e. +40% 19:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause> where 0.7 is rounded for sqrt(2)/2 19:20:57 *** Wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:23:09 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:15 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:17 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 19:24:41 <smallfly> Eddi|zuHause, so cant "we" just adjust the speed on diagonal tracks? 19:24:58 <Eddi|zuHause> smallfly: well, there are more issues to it 19:25:29 <Eddi|zuHause> the trains also get longer, and some newgrfs rely on that, if you just reduce the distance between wagons, it could cause glitches 19:25:58 <smallfly> bummer ... 19:26:06 *** Nath [~Nath@5ac074f9.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:01 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet611.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:54 <smallfly> it doesnt seem to bother anybody. so it cant be such a wicked thing. 19:28:50 <smallfly> other question, is there a website about openttd programming? the wiki is not very helpful 19:29:12 <Roest> ottdprogramming.org 19:30:08 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:30:18 <smallfly> or suck-my-dick.org? 19:31:07 <smallfly> (it was a serious question) 19:31:14 <smallfly> the first, not the ladder 19:31:45 <smallfly> dd = tt 19:32:40 <Wolf01> smallfly, try docs.openttd.org 19:33:23 <smallfly> more helpful, thx 19:34:50 <smallfly> but i thought of website, where i can find information how to develop openttd patches (which ide on which platform, how to compile, how to install all necessary libs, how the openttd source is build up generally (main structure, where to find what) etc.) 19:35:10 <Belugas_nomade> smallfly: honestly, there were very little people who reported the problem. So i'd say that it is not a very important "problem". I see it as part of the general parameters of TTD world. A bit like a fact of life ;) 19:35:12 <Wolf01> in this case the wiki says all 19:36:03 <Belugas_nomade> smallfly: such a site does not exists. the only material you need is the sources, actually. otherwise, i mean... what would you like that site to have? 19:36:21 <Belugas_nomade> how to to this or that? already in the game, i'd guess ;) 19:37:14 <Wolf01> I would like to have a web interface where I can check the features I want and the perl script made the right changes to the sources for me 19:37:26 <Belugas_nomade> buwhahaha! 19:37:54 <Roest> why would a site for an opensource game project want to teach people about what ide to use 19:38:17 <Belugas_nomade> i'd like a program where i can get tons of cash coming on my credit card :D 19:38:26 <Belugas_nomade> ho.. wait... I can do that!!! 19:38:35 <Wolf01> ehehe 19:39:26 <Belugas_nomade> tru, Roest. IDE is really a personnal thing 19:39:38 <smallfly> of course it is 19:39:43 <Belugas_nomade> it could be MSVC or even NotePad! 19:39:59 <smallfly> but you have something other people do not have -> experience 19:40:25 <Belugas_nomade> which translates to... trying stuff! 19:40:28 <Wolf01> I started with notepad, then notepad++, now I use notepad++, code::blocks and msvc80 :P 19:40:45 <Belugas_nomade> same in here, Wolfe01 :) 19:40:56 <Belugas_nomade> apart code::blocks... 19:41:42 <smallfly> some people do not want to try all ides over weeks, if all they want to do, it compiling the source with a few changes 19:42:20 <smallfly> but if you are to arrogant for this task, just let it be 19:42:38 <Belugas_nomade> what do you mean? 19:42:40 <Roest> how do you think will you find out which ide you like the most if you don't try them? 19:43:07 <Roest> you can ask here which one to use and you will get n-1 different answers 19:43:09 <smallfly> you cant know which ide is the best for one person 19:43:10 <Wolf01> or better, I started building programs in command line (old basic with line numbers) on the amstrad 464, then I switched to dos and qbasic, then I tried the zilog z80 assembler and now I'm too lazy also to write some lines in c++ 19:43:47 <smallfly> but, it doesnt have to be the best ide 19:43:49 <Belugas_nomade> smallfly: have you ever programmed before? 19:43:54 <smallfly> ofcourse 19:43:59 <Belugas_nomade> in which IDE? 19:44:02 <smallfly> i program for about 10 years now 19:44:17 <Roest> ... 19:44:38 <smallfly> in the beginning, basic, turbo pascal etc. then vba for office tools, then php, javascript etc, then c# and a bit c++ 19:45:02 <Wolf01> the z80 ide was the one I liked more... 12 buttons keypad and 4 7-seg displays :D 19:45:42 <Roest> Wolf01 ED B0 19:46:14 <smallfly> the only thing i cant understand: all you guys know a lot about c++ and openttd source. why not setting up a perfect guide for newbies how to change the ottd source 19:46:29 <Belugas_nomade> i did turbo pascal, clipper, business basix, delphi, php, and now C++. 19:46:39 <smallfly> this way, more and more people would join the dev team => faster development 19:47:19 <Wolf01> because to join the dev team you should pass a strict test 19:47:28 <Belugas_nomade> because we would not know where to start. 19:47:31 <glx> Wolf01: you had the one with tapes ??? 19:47:35 <Belugas_nomade> apart from what is already there 19:47:36 <smallfly> sorry, didnt mean the inner circle 19:47:44 <Wolf01> glx, the amstrad? yes 19:48:04 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:48:19 <glx> loading time were already long with floppies, I can't imagine with tapes 19:48:31 <glx> though I had a zx81 with tapes 19:48:50 <Wolf01> and I have that green phosphorus monitor 19:49:08 <smallfly> i mean a pdf with about 10 sites: first site: tools and how to install them on each platform; second site: how to setup the ide to make the "compile" button working 3. how the source is build up etc 19:49:14 <glx> the first C in CPC meant Colour :) 19:49:34 <Wolf01> smallfly: chose an ide, then follow the guide on the wiki 19:49:34 <Belugas_nomade> smallfly: such a page would be very long and very boring to write. plus, it has to be done regarding a few levels, from easiness to hardcore. would be a pain in tge butt 19:49:40 <glx> smallfly: there's a wiki for that 19:49:52 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:54 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:24 <Belugas_nomade> and the current wiki covers at oleast how to setup the environment you've chosen to work on 19:50:24 <glx> but I never done z80 on amstrad, only on TI-85 19:50:33 <Belugas_nomade> which is still a very personal thing 19:51:20 * smallfly tries to download and setup all tools decribed in the wiki now 19:51:36 <Wolf01> not ALL, just follow one guide 19:51:53 <smallfly> of course 19:52:02 <Belugas_nomade> on which OS are you? 19:52:02 <glx> and be careful with DXSDK version if you choose MSVC 19:52:30 <Roest> so you are programming for 10 years now, a multitude of languages and you don't know what ide to use yet? 19:52:45 <smallfly> (i did compile openttd a year ago, i know the wiki explains a lot; but not every detail; and the details can make something not to work) 19:53:05 <glx> all important details are in the wiki 19:53:20 <smallfly> c++ is not comparable to all the other languages i develop with 19:54:04 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@BAEcebf.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:12 <Belugas_nomade> and by the way, more people in the dev team does not mean necessarily better patching. most of the time, out of 10 patches, only one is kept and commited. So a guide for newbies would not help at all keeping that ratio as it is. in fact, it would even lower it 19:54:14 <smallfly> c++ is much more intelligent than all other langs 19:54:20 <Belugas_nomade> WHAT???? 19:54:36 <Roest> we use to say, if you can code the language doesn't matter 19:54:54 <el_en> smallfly is speaking the words of wisdom 19:55:05 <glx> right I can code in almost every language 19:55:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050252022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050252022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:55:21 <Wolf01> the most efficient and intelligent language is the one which does what you want, the best way and with the lowest effort 19:55:36 <glx> and it depends on the task :) 19:55:38 <frosch123> yeah, squirrel and xml 19:55:46 <smallfly> argh ... i didnt mean intelligent in this way 19:55:49 <smallfly> i mean complicated 19:56:04 <smallfly> c++ is more complicated than c#, php, java etc. 19:56:09 <glx> only if you use advanced features 19:56:09 <smallfly> dont you think so? 19:56:25 <glx> for me they are all the same 19:56:30 <smallfly> the pointer concepts, the nearness to hardware etc 19:56:48 <glx> you can code in c++ without using pointers 19:56:48 <Belugas_nomade> i do have the same concepts when working in DElphi 19:57:06 <Roest> have you ever tried to fully utilize c# of java? 19:57:09 <smallfly> delphi was not part of my list. didnt compare delphi 19:57:18 <Belugas_nomade> the only part that i find difficult in C++(and C) is the concept of strings 19:57:27 <tokai> nothing beats plain C :) 19:57:34 <Belugas_nomade> delphi and turbo pascal are almost the same 19:57:36 <tokai> C++ on the other hand is HUGE crap ;) 19:57:38 <glx> C++ is better than C reagarding strings :) 19:58:16 <smallfly> i dont want to discuss which language is better; c++ is used for openttd and so its the language that should be explained 19:58:17 <Roest> i miss programming z80 assembler by hexcode 19:58:20 <tokai> C is like comfortable readable Assembly :) 19:58:22 <Wolf01> all languages have the same base: there are constructs and there are variables, you always use them in combination, what change between language is the syntax and the name of functions... maybe some languages are more object oriented and other doesn't know what objects are, but once you learn how to program things should come automatically 20:00:16 <smallfly> 2 years ago, i bought some book concerning c++ and wanted to program a simple game. the overhead needed to open a fu**ing window in windows is really complicated 20:00:30 <Belugas_nomade> hehehe 20:00:33 <smallfly> in c# i just say : form and tadah there it is 20:00:38 <glx> that's not c++, that's windows :) 20:00:45 <smallfly> i know. 20:00:47 <Wolf01> ehehe 20:00:52 <smallfly> the api, correct? 20:01:03 <glx> just use wxwidget and it gets easier :) 20:01:08 <Belugas_nomade> yup 20:01:19 * smallfly googles wxwidget 20:01:47 <smallfly> is this used in the openttd source, too? 20:01:52 <glx> no 20:01:56 <Belugas_nomade> nope 20:02:09 <smallfly> is there a reason? 20:02:15 <glx> no need for it 20:02:21 <Belugas_nomade> we have our own, 20:02:36 <Belugas_nomade> based on the old system that was in place in the original game 20:02:54 <smallfly> ok 20:02:57 <glx> and having "custom" look using wxwidgets is not that easy 20:03:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-3-39.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:03:07 <glx> but for native look it's good 20:03:49 <smallfly> if you say native look, you mean the windows menus, buttons etc.? 20:04:00 <glx> yes 20:04:01 <smallfly> they are not needed in a game like openttd 20:04:04 <Roest> glx i used wxwidgets for my last project, i'm seriously considering going back to Qt now that it's gpl 20:05:20 <smallfly> if i want to code a useful program with a windows own ide, i use c#; i want to use c++ for games only 20:05:35 <smallfly> sorry not ide = gui 20:05:59 <smallfly> (too much this night) 20:06:18 <smallfly> (too much alcohol this night) 20:06:36 <smallfly> i think i better stop writing now ;-) 20:07:16 <Belugas> i like that guy :D 20:08:27 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-61.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 20:09:15 <Belugas> 3 20:09:19 <Belugas> +++++++++++++++++++.6 20:09:22 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-156-127.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:29 <Belugas> miaoooooo 20:10:06 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: You've gone insaner. 20:10:12 <Prof_Frink> Just thought you'd like to know. 20:10:24 <Belugas> no... my cat danced on the keyboard :D 20:11:49 <glx> lol 20:15:10 <smallfly> is there anyone compiling ottd on windows? so which ide, do YOU prefer? 20:16:27 <Belugas> under windows, I DO prefer MSVC 20:16:58 <Belugas> under Linux, I do like the KDevelop system 20:17:00 <Belugas> so far 20:18:19 <Belugas> but since i'm not a CLI guy, i prefer totally integrated system 20:18:53 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-45-150.dsl.phnet.fi] has quit [] 20:19:05 <Belugas> although MSVC is too big for my laptop. THis is why i have Linux on it 20:19:14 <Belugas> my desktop is still on WIndows MSVC 20:19:16 <smallfly> the wiki says # Microsoft® DirectX SDK - August 2007 or earlier (needed for DirectMusic, more later) 20:19:16 <smallfly> # Microsoft® DirectX SDK - November 2007 or later (current: November 2008) 20:19:17 <Belugas> tadam 20:19:17 <db48x> emacs is the one true editor 20:19:31 <Belugas> for you db48x, for you... 20:19:32 <smallfly> so which one to download? both?? 20:19:41 <db48x> Belugas: for all 20:19:51 <glx> smallfly: august 2007 is enough 20:20:03 <frosch123> emacs is the one true editor of the 80s 20:20:05 <db48x> Belugas: those who deny the beneficience of emacs merely haven't seen the light yet 20:20:08 <Belugas> you are an extremist who thinks the world should foolow you and only you, db48x 20:20:14 <glx> btw I use April 2007 20:20:16 <smallfly> so why dont you delete the other sdk in the wiki? 20:20:36 <smallfly> its confusing 20:20:39 <db48x> actually, I just like bombast 20:20:48 <glx> I didn't write this page :) 20:21:47 <db48x> that reminds me, has anyone tried my coastal cities patch? 20:22:13 <db48x> I need independant confirmation that it doesn't cause the user's computer to burst into flame before it can be committed 20:22:38 <smallfly> are there any restrictions for msvc++? i mean something like a spash screen "TRIAL SOFTWARE" that pops up in the software i compiled? 20:22:58 <db48x> smallfly: yes, there are 20:23:09 <db48x> smallfly: you'll have to read the EULA for the details, however 20:23:14 <smallfly> non commercial. ok. 20:23:16 <smallfly> no pron 20:23:19 <db48x> no 20:23:19 <smallfly> no prob 20:23:23 <db48x> you can't summarize it like that 20:23:30 <db48x> it depends entirely on which version you bought 20:23:46 <smallfly> bought? the express edition is for free 20:23:52 <db48x> for example, the EULA for the student license is different than the others 20:24:00 <db48x> and the express edition has different requirements as well 20:24:13 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C4ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:24:15 <smallfly> is it possible to compile openttd with the express edition 20:24:21 <db48x> presumably 20:24:25 <smallfly> (why do you make everything so complicated) 20:24:33 <db48x> the express edition doesn't include all of the same libraries, but it probably works 20:24:44 <db48x> I didn't make it complicated, I'm pointing out that the complications exist 20:24:54 <smallfly> so, i better use another ide 20:24:59 <db48x> no 20:25:05 <db48x> try it with the express edition 20:25:08 <smallfly> i dont like complications, because of any fu**ing libs 20:25:21 <db48x> OpenTTD doesn't use ATK as far as I know, so that problem won't hurt you 20:25:32 <smallfly> i just want to have a working ide. is that so hard to manage? 20:25:38 <db48x> on windows, sure 20:25:49 <db48x> but you have the express edition, and it should work just fine 20:25:49 <smallfly> but i cant crosscompile for mac? 20:25:57 <db48x> not with msvc 20:26:15 <smallfly> so, if i want to compile for mac AND windows. which one to use? 20:26:23 <db48x> you need two compilers for that 20:26:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 20:26:27 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:34 <db48x> one for windows and one for mac 20:26:47 <smallfly> ok. so i can start with msvc. later i get another compiler 20:26:51 <db48x> sure 20:26:53 <smallfly> k 20:26:55 <smallfly> thx 20:26:59 <db48x> Codeweavers or whatever it is called, from apple 20:27:22 <frosch123> sorry to interrupt you, but has anyone ever managed to crosscompile for mac on windows? 20:28:03 <db48x> frosch123: dunno. presumably it's _possible_ to do it with gcc 20:28:18 <db48x> I don't know if anyone has ever undertaken to do so 20:28:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 20:28:47 <frosch123> even with gcc it is not possible, unless you are named TB 20:28:47 <smallfly> so how does the ottd dev team compile for mac? manually?? 20:28:48 <db48x> especially since msvc is a better optimizing compiler than gcc 20:29:02 <db48x> there are these funny things called Makefiles 20:29:21 <smallfly> another thing i hate 20:29:37 <db48x> why? 20:29:39 <frosch123> smallfly: http://www.openttd.org/en/news/page/1 <- second one 20:30:11 <db48x> other than the fact that make differentiates between spaces and tabs as part of the Makefile syntax 20:30:54 <smallfly> frosch123, read it 20:31:45 <planetmaker> [21:28] <db48x> [21:26:59] Codeweavers or whatever it is called, from apple <-- just install xcode and you have all you want 20:31:51 <Belugas> smallfly, we useed to have a dev using mac. but the compile farm (under linux) is actually doing the cross-compile. don't aske me how :) 20:32:19 <db48x> magic, presumably 20:32:30 <planetmaker> Belugas: I think TB wrote an article on that somewhere... was fun reading :) 20:32:47 <glx> <frosch123> sorry to interrupt you, but has anyone ever managed to crosscompile for mac on windows? <-- it's already very hard to do it on linux, so I don't want to try on windows 20:32:48 <planetmaker> compiling the compiler himself and doing a bit of patching... 20:33:24 <planetmaker> and tweaking the necessary libraries afair was the hardes bit. 20:35:25 <Belugas> ok... cannot do much more work for this poor customer. so this is the end of my presence online for now 20:35:28 <Belugas> bye bye 20:35:36 <planetmaker> bye Belugas 20:36:27 <Belugas_nomade> bye planetmaker. bye glx bye frosch123 bye smallfly, bye all 20:38:38 <smallfly> bye 20:38:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:45 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@s1015-0372.dsl.start.no] has joined #openttd 20:59:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B777B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:43 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* next time you try something in text mode, make sure you have a text mode browser 21:00:46 <KingJ> wget and pipe to cat, all you need ;) 21:01:03 <Ammler> curl? 21:01:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, now try to fill out a form and post the appropriate response with wget :p 21:01:26 <KingJ> Oh ok then, cheat and use lynx 21:01:34 <OsteHovel^EEE> Do the Rcon open a new connection to the server to send the command or do it use the already established connection? 21:02:01 *** rortom [~rortom_@5ac3db4f.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:03:11 <smallfly> msvc requires a registration. 21:03:25 <smallfly> so which ide is the alternative? 21:03:31 <OsteHovel^EEE> Kdevelop :p 21:03:42 <smallfly> thats not running on win, is it? 21:03:44 <glx> smallfly: registration is free for express versions 21:03:46 <Wolf01> it does only if you want product updates, newsletter etc 21:03:50 <glx> and not mandatory 21:03:52 <rortom> notepad++ 21:04:04 <db48x> GET and POST :) 21:04:07 <rortom> :p 21:04:13 <rortom> also, hi all 21:04:24 <smallfly> so i can use msvc still after 30 days without reg? 21:04:25 <Wolf01> notepad with the right pluging is really effective, but then you must compile with mingw 21:04:50 <Wolf01> *notepad++ 21:04:55 <rortom> Wolf01: you could call the MS compiler by hand ... ;) 21:05:05 <rortom> also, there is codeblocks 21:05:34 <Wolf01> but there isn't a project for code::blocks, at least not the last time I checked 21:05:35 <smallfly> where can i download the ms compiler? 21:05:47 <smallfly> i know its integrated in msvc 21:06:00 <smallfly> but i dont want to registrate for that product 21:06:13 <Wolf01> you don't need to register 21:06:28 <smallfly> still after 30 days? 21:06:37 <Wolf01> it's free for ever 21:06:46 <planetmaker> if I don't want to register, suddenly a person called "Arno Nonymous" appears from nowhere 21:06:47 <smallfly> i know its free 21:07:00 <rortom> in the VS express thing you have to register 21:07:16 <rortom> they introduced that with VS express 2008 IIRC 21:07:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:39 <smallfly> so i better download 2005? 21:07:48 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:08:58 <smallfly> forget the question. 21:09:13 <smallfly> perhaps ill try to manage it with notepad++ 21:09:47 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.162.64] has joined #openttd 21:10:48 <db48x> notepad++ doesn't compile things, it only edits text files 21:12:16 <smallfly> i understood that 21:12:29 <smallfly> ill use something like mingw to compile it 21:12:29 <db48x> oh, ok 21:12:36 <smallfly> db48x, but thanks 21:12:47 <db48x> I'm multitasking, so I probably missed something 21:13:00 <db48x> (equally ignoring several simultaneous tasks) 21:13:02 <smallfly> i have a similiar editor called rapid php 2007 21:13:15 <smallfly> but i think its optimized for c++ 21:13:28 <smallfly> argh ... i mean "i DONT think" 21:13:58 <petern> Rubidium: "a non-ASCII" what? :p 21:13:59 <smallfly> "dont drink and write" 21:14:22 <Rubidium> path 21:14:28 <Rubidium> filename 21:14:46 <db48x> smallfly: heh 21:15:21 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C4ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:59 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:09 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 21:20:21 <smallfly> so which tools do i need to compile openttd? i have the editor, i have svn to obtain the sourcecode. i think i need to download the "openttd usefull package" and mingw . what else? 21:21:23 <smallfly> what about "GNU Utils for Win32 (includes make) " especially? 21:21:49 <Roest> dihedral you there? 21:23:00 <glx> openttd useful package is for msvc 21:23:25 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Compiling_on_MinGW <-- doesn't that cover all you need, smallfly ? 21:23:26 <glx> with mingw/msys you compile all dependencies yourself 21:23:36 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@s1015-0372.dsl.start.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:49 <smallfly> i'm looking for the page, where i can find the differencies between cygwin, mingw, etc 21:24:56 <Wolf01> the only problem with that is that sourceforge does not provide the pnglib 1.2.8, I tried many times and then I had to download it by hand and put it in the right folder in order to continue the procedure 21:25:43 <db48x> the differences between cygwin and msys could fill a book 21:25:47 <db48x> pick one or the other 21:26:07 <Wolf01> I suggest msys 21:26:10 <db48x> as do I 21:26:48 <Wolf01> cygwin is more complex and will need that stupid cyg*.dll 21:27:13 <smallfly> so the decision is clear 21:27:26 <smallfly> ill take cygwin :D 21:27:46 <Wolf01> each time I install a new software compiled with cygwin I had to remove manually every instance of that dll 21:27:47 <smallfly> ok. mingw. thx 21:28:27 <Wolf01> s/install/installed 21:28:27 <glx> Wolf01: openttd is compiled with -mnocygwin IIRC 21:28:38 <smallfly> ?!?! 21:28:44 <smallfly> aaaaahhhh ... 21:28:48 <Rubidium> glx: if it still compiles on cygwin that is ;) 21:28:51 <glx> the dll is required only for posix stuff 21:29:28 <glx> Rubidium: I don't trust users on forum ;) 21:29:47 <rortom> #define UINT_8 unsigned __int8 D: 21:30:02 <Rubidium> true, but what is the last KNOWN correct cygwin compile? 21:30:10 <Ammler> Yexo is a cygwin user, afaik. 21:30:40 <Roest> i'm still not sure why you don't simply follow the guides on the wiki, it's almost impossible to explain it better and easier to understand 21:31:51 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:31:58 <Rubidium> let me guess, please please: because the person is dyslexic and doesn't want to read the guide as that is difficult? 21:32:07 <Roest> :) 21:32:19 *** rortom [~rortom_@5ac3db4f.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:33:44 * petern ponders an early night 21:34:06 <smallfly> the guide explains how to setup mingw. i doesnt explain, why not use cygwin or vice versa 21:34:10 <planetmaker> lol @ Rubidium :) 21:34:18 <Roest> ok let me be blunt here, a person has to be mentally retarded in a serious way if he's unable to compile ottd with this guide http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions 21:34:20 <glx> smallfly: why would it explain that ? 21:34:40 <glx> it's a matter of personnal preferences 21:34:52 <Rubidium> Roest: then many persons have a "retardation" 21:35:02 <Ammler> does it matter, in which order the files are compiled? 21:35:15 <glx> no 21:35:21 <Rubidium> not really, except a few cases 21:35:33 <glx> but linking order matters for windows 21:35:38 <Ammler> my cygwin test used a strange order 21:35:57 <Rubidium> like strgen.cpp before anything that includes lang/strings.h ;) 21:36:41 <Ammler> well, I guess, that will be handled from Makefile? 21:36:54 <Rubidium> yes 21:37:56 <Eddi|zuHause> <smallfly> the guide explains how to setup mingw. i doesnt explain, why not use cygwin or vice versa <- ask 3 people and you get 5 different answers 21:38:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that is exactly why it does not even try to explain. 21:38:51 <Roest> eddi that's cheating, ask n people and you'll get n-1 answers 21:38:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15550 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#2654]: bogus secondary error message when dynamiting industries/unmoveables; "X is in the way" isn't helpful at all in that case. 21:39:51 <Ammler> has minigw also a tool to get package very easy, like cygwin? 21:39:59 <Rubidium> same way why the mingw guide doesn't explain why not to use OSX 21:40:37 <Ammler> -i 21:41:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:19 <smallfly> you guys should remember for which people these guides are written for: not for those who are interested in the disputes between hardware programmers (my compiler is faster than yours, my compiler kicks your compilers ass ...) those newbies just want to know ONE compiler, that WORKS. noting more. 21:42:39 <smallfly> hardware programmers = hardcore programmers 21:42:40 <Roest> and it does exactly that 21:42:51 <glx> Ammler: download the source, extract, configure && make && make install 21:42:57 <glx> that's the only way 21:43:17 <Ammler> glx: sounds like windows :-( 21:43:20 <Roest> it has links on what to download, screenshots which settings to make and tells which buttons to press 21:43:28 <Roest> it can't get easier than this 21:43:49 <Ammler> glx: I like to use "zypper in <pack>" ;-) 21:43:57 <smallfly> but it lets the user alone with the question, which tools to use 21:44:17 * Rubidium wonders what compiler reliably always works 21:44:18 <smallfly> the dev team should just delete either mingw or cygwin 21:44:22 <glx> every body is free to use his prefered tool 21:44:28 <glx> why? 21:44:35 <glx> I use MSVC and mingw/msys 21:44:46 <smallfly> how should a newbie know, which one is better? 21:44:57 <Ammler> try both and you will 21:45:12 <glx> ask google (won't help to decide though) 21:45:21 <frosch123> why does there always have to existist something 'better'... 21:45:21 <Roest> maybe that newbie would better download a binary and come back to compiling the source once he has at least some basic knowledge 21:45:38 <glx> but the easier to install is msvc 21:45:43 <Ammler> frosch123: that is the human being... or how is that called. 21:46:20 <Roest> ok this one will decide it for you http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=mingw&word2=msvc 21:46:39 <Rubidium> tralalalala... the easiest to install was buildottd 21:46:55 <smallfly> imagine this case: a normal gamer (not a programmer) want to change one parameter in ottd and recompile it. nothing more. how long should it take to manage that? 10 minutes!! not longer 21:47:02 <Ammler> didn't work anymore here. 21:47:22 <Rubidium> if only this magical someone or that magical somebody did fix it 21:47:33 <Roest> @seen someone 21:47:33 <DorpsGek> Roest: someone was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 4 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 55 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: * Someone here is gay 21:47:51 <Roest> too bad he's gone 21:48:04 <glx> but buildottd is still the better mingw/msys installer for openttd :) 21:48:25 <frosch123> Roest: does the googlefight tell you which is more popular, or which one is more troublesome? 21:48:27 <glx> it just misses the latest optionnal dependencies (like icu) 21:48:28 <Wolf01> I'm too tired this night... 21:48:37 <Wolf01> 'night everybody 21:48:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:48:55 <Roest> frosch123 interesting question 21:49:00 <planetmaker> [22:44] <smallfly> how should a newbie know, which one is better? <--- what is better: coffee or tea? 21:49:06 <planetmaker> Can there be an answer? 21:49:07 <Ammler> cygwin install failed here 21:49:42 <Ammler> something with fontcache.cpp 21:49:54 <Rubidium> planetmaker: neither? 21:50:02 <smallfly> planetmaker, your case is not comparable 21:50:12 <planetmaker> Rubidium: possibly yes :) 21:50:25 <planetmaker> smallfly: it's a perfectly fitting analogy IMO 21:50:35 <smallfly> planetmaker, no. 21:50:35 <Belugas_nomade> yup 21:50:43 <Belugas_nomade> i hate tea taste 21:50:45 <planetmaker> the world is bigger than just "there's only one way" 21:50:49 <Belugas_nomade> i like coffee taste 21:50:53 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: Tea, of course. 21:50:54 <Belugas_nomade> both wakes me up 21:50:58 <planetmaker> :) 21:51:02 <glx> Ammler: you give too little details 21:51:12 <planetmaker> I prefer one at a time, but both at their time :) 21:51:28 <Belugas_nomade> both at the same time would be... interesting 21:51:31 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:35 <Belugas_nomade> COOOOFTEA! 21:51:39 <smallfly> planetmaker, comparable would be: how do i fuck to girls? first girl A than girl B or vice versa 21:51:53 <smallfly> to = two 21:51:54 <Belugas_nomade> let's fuck CATS! 21:52:06 <Roest> noooo 21:52:23 <smallfly> you would write a wiki: you can fuck A than B or vice versa 21:52:28 <Prof_Frink> Belugas_nomade: #tycoon is that way <-- 21:52:46 <smallfly> i would propose the user: fuck A, than B. 21:53:15 <smallfly> he will get happy with this order 21:53:17 * Roest grabs the RAID 21:56:18 *** Nath [~Nath@5acac74a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:57:13 <Nath> Hello, could anybody help me get a nightly server online please? As none of them work =( 21:58:29 <Ammler> glx: didn0t thing, you might be interested: http://ammler.ch/pub/compile_error.log 21:58:36 *** kd5pbo|work [~kd5pbo@136.242.113.110] has joined #openttd 21:58:46 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:58:51 <Rubidium> oh dihedral, your autonightly hasn't automatically updated 21:59:01 <Ammler> his server is somehow broken 21:59:25 <Rubidium> Ammler: looks like libfreetype is 'broken' 21:59:33 <glx> Ammler: ft2build.h: No such file or directory 21:59:40 <glx> fix freetype :) 21:59:48 <Rubidium> broken as in: the cflags that freetype-config gives are wrong 21:59:58 <Ammler> but isn't freetype optional? 22:00:07 <Ammler> or is that something else? 22:00:24 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes, but it's available at configure stage 22:00:34 <Rubidium> and freetype-config is broken 22:00:51 <glx> maybe our detection method is incorrect 22:01:22 <Rubidium> Ammler: what does freetype-config in cygwin give you? 22:01:29 <Ammler> I made today a fresh install of cygwin 22:01:35 <Ammler> like the wiki told 22:02:11 <Rubidium> Ammler: does freetype-config in cygwin give you an error that it doesn't exist? 22:02:13 <Ammler> Rubidium: the usage-msg 22:02:16 <glx> seems we detect only if freetype-config is present 22:02:38 <Rubidium> glx: existance of freetype-config should be enough (IMO) 22:02:40 <Ammler> I installed it 22:02:49 <Rubidium> Ammler: what does freetype-config --cflags give you? 22:03:07 <Ammler> 9.19.3 22:03:31 <Rubidium> --cflags gives the version? 22:03:37 <Ammler> np 22:03:39 <Ammler> no 22:03:43 <Ammler> -I/usr/include/freetype2 22:04:18 <Nath> Does this mean a nightly server will be up soon =X? 22:04:33 <glx> and headers are there? 22:04:36 <Ammler> Nath: not dihs 22:05:07 <Nath> Ammler: dihs ?? (Sorry, newb here ^^) 22:05:12 <Ammler> I installed libfreetype-devel 22:05:47 <Ammler> Nath: there are always nightly servers up 22:05:50 <Rubidium> Ammler: sounds like libfreetype-devel is broken then 22:06:37 <Rubidium> Ammler: did you follow the wiki to the letter? 22:06:47 <Ammler> quite, yes. 22:06:54 <Ammler> I at least installed every pack 22:07:07 <Ammler> also the optional 22:07:13 <Nath> Ammler: For me there are 2, one is passworded, the other gives me "Game failed to load" error and the people i play with get the same error. 22:07:53 <glx> Nath: using r15549? 22:08:12 <Rubidium> Ammler: looking at the wiki page about cygwin you didn't follow it to the letter 22:08:23 <Nath> glx: yep 22:08:30 <Rubidium> Ammler: and I'm especially talking about point number twelve 22:08:38 <Ammler> just reading 22:08:41 <Ammler> :-) 22:09:18 <glx> hehe cygwin freetype is "broken" 22:09:38 <Ammler> hmm, don't i have symlinks in cygwin? 22:09:51 <Nath> scrap that, there is only the passworded server online now :( lol 22:09:54 <Rubidium> does Windows provide symlinks? if not, then no 22:09:58 <glx> or the compiler, because it should find headers in /usr/include without porblems 22:10:20 <Ammler> Nath: google for the servername 22:10:26 <Prof_Frink> Last time I played with it, cygwin treated .lnk files as symlinks 22:10:28 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: irssikone vaihtuu] 22:10:31 <Ammler> you might then find a homepage with access infos 22:14:01 <Nath> Ammler: found nothing for the passworded one, and the dehidral's website hasnt had a message on there since the 2nd feb 22:14:09 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f050252022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:14:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050252022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:09 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:15:26 <Ammler> Nath: try older revs then :-) 22:16:00 <Ammler> (i.e r15495) 22:16:18 <Ammler> or 0.7 betas 22:18:15 <Ammler> Rubidium: glx, seems to work now, thanks. 22:18:23 <Ammler> and sorry :-$ 22:18:27 <glx> np 22:18:43 <glx> anyway it's weird it doesn't find it in /usr/include 22:19:09 <KenjiE20> nath; are you refering to 'BuF's nightly' for the passworded one? 22:20:09 <glx> there's only one nightly server 22:21:20 <Ammler> glx: how do you call yesterday nightly? 22:21:38 <glx> yesterday nightly is broken :) 22:21:48 <glx> nobody can join 22:21:49 <Roest> may i play a nightly on the afternoon? 22:21:52 <Ammler> well, days before :P 22:22:05 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227027198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:22:08 <Rubidium> I'd call them ancient 22:22:08 <Ammler> (or nights) 22:22:12 <Ammler> :P 22:22:58 <glx> dihedral: your AutoNightly fail to update ;) 22:23:29 <frosch123> at least rename it to ManualNightly 22:23:30 <Rubidium> glx: 22:58 22:24:03 <Ammler> not only the nightly server ;-) 22:24:39 <Ammler> other services too, but not all :-) 22:25:21 <Ammler> I guess, the libpng issue is known and still there. 22:26:13 <glx> Ammler: read the FAQ on the same wiki page 22:26:30 <Ammler> glx: well, that is why I asked. 22:26:38 <Nath> KenjiE20: yes 22:26:56 <Ammler> (to inform you, it isn't fixed ;-) 22:26:58 <KenjiE20> that'd be mine :P 22:27:07 <glx> as libpng is quite old it's not surprising :) 22:27:27 <Nath> KenjiE20: Well at least someone knows how to keep a server online :P 22:27:39 <KenjiE20> heh, I update manually 22:28:47 <glx> hmm no zlib is quite old, libpng is updated more often (but I don't know if cygwin updates it) 22:29:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050252022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:32 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:30:57 <Rubidium> 1.2.12 seems to be their latest 22:31:33 <Rubidium> libpng only reached 1.2.34 22:33:32 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:52 <planetmaker> he, yeah. But it still compiles and works... :) 22:39:07 <Eddi|zuHause> cygwin sucks (imho) 22:40:07 <glx> I can't install cygwin (it breaks my mingw/msys install) 22:40:28 <Ammler> glx: that might be the reason, my bottd install failed :-) 22:40:34 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:41:38 <Ammler> windows on a vm is damn slow. 22:42:14 <el_en> your vm is damn slow then. 22:42:30 <Nath> Yeah, Windows 7 runs pretty smoothly for me :P 22:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> how are vms going on processors with virtualisation? 22:43:02 <glx> Nath: in a VM? 22:43:22 <KenjiE20> win7 under vmware was suprisingly smooth for me 22:43:40 <KenjiE20> but then it had a full core and 1gb of ram to play with 22:44:23 <glx> well XP runs smoothly in vmware for me too 22:44:42 <Ammler> I might give it too less resources. 22:44:51 <el_en> Ammler: VMware or something else? 22:45:03 <Ammler> VirtualBox 22:45:10 <Rubidium> one always give Windows too few resources ;) 22:45:39 <Ammler> 192 MB 22:45:51 <Ammler> might be a bit low :-D 22:46:13 <Nath> glx: VM Ware 22:46:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:17 <Rubidium> 200 MB's more than enough for Windows XP playing simsig 22:46:36 <glx> 384 is recommended ;) 22:46:48 <Ammler> oh, still error 22:47:00 <Ammler> now in squirrel 22:47:08 <Nath> Anybody know where I can find a working link to google's OS? (Space edition) 22:47:26 <Rubidium> at google? 22:48:57 <Ammler> http://paste.openttd.org/179830 22:48:59 <Rubidium> the one in Mountain View, CA that is 22:49:32 <Nath> Rubidium: They are all corrupted, every single mirror too lmao 22:49:53 <glx> Ammler: ok unicode is broken in cygwin it seems 22:50:06 <glx> configure --disable-unicode 22:50:10 <glx> and retry 22:50:13 <Ammler> ah 22:50:19 <Rubidium> Nath: if it isn't at google, then it's very unlikely that it still exists anywhere 22:50:25 <Ammler> needs a complete recompile I fear :-) 22:50:37 <Rubidium> hai 22:50:45 <Eddi|zuHause> wo? 22:50:50 <glx> but if you can compile the non unicode build, I'll look at fixing squirrel ;) 22:50:51 <TinoDidriksen> Cygwin unicode works fine if your environment is set up for it. 22:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause> (sorry, really bad joke :p) 22:51:22 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-243-108.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:43 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-128-28.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:51:43 <planetmaker> hehe @ Eddi|zuHause. Do you think non-Germans will get it? 22:52:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if dutch is close enough to german for that one to work ;) 22:52:17 <el_en> i get it! 22:52:50 <Ammler> oh, now 22:53:05 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: in your bath tub? 22:53:12 <planetmaker> hihi 22:53:13 <Ammler> I thought, your line belongs to TinoDidriksen 22:53:18 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: i won't believe you unless you have proof 22:53:39 <Ammler> TinoDidriksen: how do I setup it right? 22:53:40 <el_en> Eddi|zuHause: el tiburone 22:53:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CB48.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:54:06 <el_en> actually tiburón. quite close. 22:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause> close enough, i presume ;) 22:54:37 <Eddi|zuHause> "tiburone" appears to be portuguese 22:54:46 <el_en> maybe i was thinking about the plural. 22:55:05 <TinoDidriksen> Was talking in general...what unicode library is OTTD using? My projects use ICU, which works fine under Cygwin. Haven't tried other libs, but never had issues with any unicode tools... 22:55:12 <el_en> and deriving the wrong singular from that. 22:55:17 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:08 <Rubidium> TinoDidriksen: things like wprintf are part of the C99 standard; not some external library 22:56:25 <el_en> Eddi|zuHause: btw, strangely enough, Hai in finnish happens to be hai. 22:57:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the full joke goes like this: "Treffen sich zwei Taucher, sagt der eine: 'Hi!', sagt der andere: 'Wo?!'" 22:57:26 <TinoDidriksen> Ah, well, probably install GCC 4+ to use those then. Cygwin standard GCC is 3.x as I recall, but it has GCC-4 packages if selected. 22:57:54 <Ammler> I check... 22:58:22 *** Nathan321 [Nathan@5ac0747c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:58:37 *** Felicitus [~timo@p3EE3E274.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:39 <Felicitus> good morning 22:58:57 <Nathan321> Wouldnt call it morning here m8y :P 22:59:04 <Felicitus> :P 22:59:11 <Felicitus> well it's actually midnight 22:59:13 <glx> even in your TZ ;) 22:59:24 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:27 <Felicitus> but i call it morning relative to the time i woke up ;) 22:59:41 <TinoDidriksen> And wprintf() sucks for proper Unicode handling. The standard is lacking so much...ICU is a huge step up in handling various codepages, locales, etc. 22:59:42 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 23:00:19 <glx> TinoDidriksen: we use ICU for some stuff, but squirrel is not our code :) 23:00:33 <TinoDidriksen> Ah 23:00:42 *** Nath [~Nath@5acac74a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:27 <Nathan321> Finally :P 23:02:27 <Ammler> Nathan321: @port 23:02:50 <Nathan321> ??? 23:03:03 <Nathan321> @port 23:03:03 <DorpsGek> Nathan321: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 23:06:34 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:08:20 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:35 <dihedral> [00:08] <glx> [23:22:58] dihedral: your AutoNightly fail to update ;) <- heppens when the compile farm is not done when i do my check :-P 23:09:18 <dihedral> [00:08] <frosch123> [23:23:29] at least rename it to ManualNightly <- it is not manual! 23:09:18 <glx> when do you check? 23:09:36 <Rubidium> but... the last CF run was done earlier than the one that is now running on your server 23:09:58 <dihedral> glx, 20.40 CET 23:10:11 <glx> [20:37:46] <@DorpsGek> CompileFarm: nightly (r15549) completed. 23:10:32 * dihedral checks 23:11:27 <smallfly> question: i try to install mingw, but the following error occurs (Extracting gcc-g++-3.4.5-20060117-3.tar.gz 23:11:27 <smallfly> untgz::extract -d 'C:\development\MinGW' -z 'C:\development\mingw_install\gcc-g++-3.4.5-20060117-3.tar.gz' 23:11:27 <smallfly> tgz_extract: bad header checksum 23:11:27 <smallfly> Error: Failure reading from tarball. 23:11:52 <glx> corrupted or incomplete download 23:12:03 <smallfly> i tried it three times 23:12:12 <dihedral> server issue 23:12:19 <smallfly> k 23:12:21 <dihedral> too many processes running on a limited vps 23:12:30 <smallfly> not a layer-8 problem, dihedral? 23:12:43 <dihedral> smallfly, tell me where that'd be layer 8 23:13:09 <glx> smallfly: or maybe it's the tool you use to extract 23:13:11 <dihedral> unless you want to play it on me (who is not the only one with root access) mangling with the setup of the server 23:13:21 <Ammler> smallfly: use BOTTD 23:13:32 <smallfly> BOTTD functions again? 23:13:34 <dihedral> (and i am refering to why JJ quit and why my server did not upgrade) 23:13:39 <dihedral> smallfly, nope 23:13:57 <Ammler> well, it is a nice mingw installer, if you haven't cygwin like me :-) 23:15:14 <Ammler> glx: without unicode, it doesn't work 23:15:28 <Ammler> do you like to see the errors? 23:15:33 <glx> yes 23:15:56 *** Nathan321 [Nathan@5ac0747c.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:06 *** kd5pbo|work [~kd5pbo@136.242.113.110] has quit [Quit: kd5pbo|work] 23:16:35 <Felicitus> hmm - is it possible to retrieve if a train is dual headed using the AI API before the train is built? 23:17:26 <Ammler> http://ammler.ch/pub/compile_error.log 23:18:10 <glx> Felicitus: seems not 23:18:25 <Ammler> oh, it was the old 23:18:29 <Ammler> you need to requery 23:19:23 <glx> grr it doesn''t want to get the new one 23:19:49 <Ammler> http://ammler.ch/pub/compile_error2.log 23:20:01 <dihedral> AutoNightly back up :-) 23:20:21 <TinoDidriksen> That's without unicode? It's still asking for wide functions. 23:20:46 <glx> it's in gcc 23:22:17 * glx declares cygwin broken :) 23:22:38 <TinoDidriksen> Out of curiosity, why not use VC++ Express if you're compiling for Windows anyways? 23:22:43 <Ammler> how to tell to use gcc4? 23:23:04 <Ammler> TinoDidriksen: I am just playing 23:23:09 <TinoDidriksen> export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4 CXX=/usr/bin/g++-4 23:23:45 <Ammler> I will rather give up then using VC++ 23:25:29 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:42 <Ammler> TinoDidriksen: that will work with openttd? 23:26:22 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #openttd [] 23:26:46 <TinoDidriksen> Dunno, worth a try...I don't generally compile it for Windows. 23:27:10 <Ammler> at least ./configure outputs tells so 23:27:14 <Roest> hmm with 700+ vehicles fast forward isn't so fast anymore 23:27:29 <Ammler> but then, I don't need to disable unicode, right? 23:27:51 <TinoDidriksen> That is the hope. 23:28:53 <Ammler> ah 23:28:54 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:04 <Ammler> I'll give up 23:29:50 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@62.199.71.146] has joined #openttd 23:30:01 <Ammler> g++-4: The -mno-cygwin flag has been removed; use a mingw-targeted cross-compile 23:30:03 <Ammler> r. 23:30:38 <TinoDid> Ah, lovely... 23:30:44 <Rubidium> so we're better of removing all cygwin support 23:30:52 <Ammler> well 23:31:05 <Ammler> I am not the cygwin pro ;-) 23:31:13 <Ammler> you should ask Yexo about. 23:31:33 <Ammler> he tested my autostart script with it. 23:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf? 23:32:24 <Ammler> but at time without squirrel) 23:33:32 <Ammler> seems like no unistaller for. 23:34:06 <Ammler> just deleting c://cygwin should do the job? 23:34:45 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:35:39 <TinoDid> Yup 23:36:01 <Rubidium> rm -rf ~/.VirtualBox on the host also works 23:36:01 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:33 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 23:41:57 *** Wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc37.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:21 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:38 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:49:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:50:36 <smallfly> the cygwin vs. mingw question should be answered now ;-= 23:51:23 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 23:51:30 <Ammler> Rubidium: indeed, I could trash the vdisk 23:51:53 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C4ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:52:00 <Ammler> I should have a snapshot of a clean win install 23:57:10 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...]