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00:00:02 <wision> is it default left in tt/ttd? 00:00:03 <Prof_Frink> We invented everything the chinese forgot. 00:00:13 <Brianetta> yes 00:00:25 <Rubidium> Ludde inventen OpenTTD! 00:00:48 <Brianetta> Prof_Frink: They didn't forget. They just rolled their eyes. 00:02:10 <Brianetta> Somebody compete with Vemarkis. 00:06:18 <Sacro> think I might Brianetta 00:15:25 <Brianetta> How the hecking heck do I stop openttd occupying the whole of my screen? 00:15:38 <Brianetta> I can't resize the bugger 00:16:01 <Rubidium> use the sdl video backend instead of the allegro backend 00:16:28 <Rubidium> allegro doesn't do 'custom' resolutions 00:17:32 <Ammler> [00:52] <Brianetta> Heh, sarah_pilot lost her name <-- change from player_name to client_name 00:18:10 <Ammler> good night all. 00:18:40 <Brianetta> Lots of config stuff has changed. Half the config on my server seems to be default (and sucky) 00:19:04 <Ammler> dunno, if you already use ap+, else you might need to... 00:19:55 <Ammler> he 00:20:07 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:20:12 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:20:14 <Ammler> are the changes of the new cfg after 0.6 branch? 00:20:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:19 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 00:21:55 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:22:40 <Brianetta> Ah crap, I have to translate diff_custom myself 00:24:54 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-231-48.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 00:25:50 <Rubidium> I've got no clue what you've done exactly, but the conversion works for me 00:26:25 <Rubidium> maybe you've started 0.7.0-RC1, then 0.6.3 and then 0.7.0-RC1 again 00:26:43 <Brianetta> Definitely not. 0.6.3 was last run a fortnight ago. 00:26:46 <Rubidium> that would at least explain why you've got the defaults 00:27:10 <Brianetta> It's rewritten most of the settings, but many things are just wrong 00:27:30 <[wito]> Speaking of settings, we could really do with the realistic train accel. :P 00:27:48 <Brianetta> Usually where settings have a different name 00:28:04 <Brianetta> realistic_acceleration = true in last night's backup 00:28:05 <Brianetta> but 00:28:11 <Brianetta> train_acceleration_model = 0 00:28:15 <Brianetta> since today 00:28:20 <Yexo> renamed settings are not converted automatically 00:28:27 <Brianetta> I gathered. 00:28:33 <Brianetta> That includes diff_custom. 00:29:09 <Brianetta> What's dynamic_engines? 00:29:16 <Yexo> I remember a problem with diff_custom, but I thougth that was fixed 00:29:21 <Yexo> dynamic_engines = engine pool 00:29:29 <Rubidium> Brianetta: something blunck doesn't like 00:29:49 <Brianetta> Oh, the thing that lets you run DBSet alongside UKRS (: 00:30:15 <Sacro> Brianetta: i think realistic accel is off 00:30:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-229-230.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:34 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 00:31:17 <Brianetta> Sacro: You're not the first to point this out 00:31:26 <Sacro> hehe 00:31:30 <Sacro> i'm not the quickest 00:33:34 <Brianetta> ERROR: This command/variable is not available during network games. 00:33:35 <Brianetta> This is usually an arbitrary limitation, as far as I can tell. 00:33:52 <Rubidium> yes... arbitrary 00:34:02 <Rubidium> in the sense that it's readable by NewGRFs on game load 00:34:33 <Rubidium> which means that NewGRFs can change the behaviour of the NewGRF based on that value on game load 00:34:46 <Rubidium> which means that changing it during network games can cause desyncs 00:34:49 <Brianetta> Let them, I say. Just warn the admin. 00:35:29 <Brianetta> There might not *be* and newgrfs. 00:35:34 <Brianetta> s/and/any/ 00:35:40 <Sacro> sigh 00:35:51 <Sacro> click and dragging signals still does the first signal type you click 00:35:55 <Sacro> not the signal type you have selected 00:35:55 <Rubidium> yeah, just like changing NewGRFs warns the user and we still get tons of bug reports that changing NewGRFs caused crashes 00:36:05 <Yexo> Sacro: that's intended 00:36:05 <Sacro> can that be fixed/optionable? 00:36:10 <Sacro> Yexo: it's a PITA 00:36:26 <Brianetta> Rubidium: At least none of those bug reports requires fixing. 00:36:38 <Yexo> if the signal you select is a pre/exit/combo signal though, normal signals will be build instead 00:36:57 <Rubidium> Brianetta: if they cared to tell that they did change the NewGRFs in-game yes 00:37:15 <Rubidium> but most of the time you're send on a goose/moose chase 00:37:29 <Sacro> Yexo: not if it's a YAPP 00:37:35 <glx> (luckily we have gamelog now) 00:37:40 <Sacro> i only use YAPP at juntions, I'll never have a need to click and drag them 00:37:46 <Sacro> nor should anyoone else for that matter 00:38:05 <Yexo> that depends on your buidling style, some people (like me) build only pbs signals 00:38:11 <Yexo> just because it's easier to build 00:38:14 <Sacro> eugh 00:38:21 <Sacro> hmm 00:38:31 <Sacro> can we sprite swap the signal graphics... 00:38:39 <Sacro> I hate the fact that PBS signals are plated 00:38:50 <Yexo> make a signals newgrf ;) 00:38:54 <glx> Sacro: use a static newgrf 00:38:59 <Sacro> think I will 00:39:00 <Rubidium> THEN MAKE BETTER GRAPHICS! 00:39:06 <Sacro> automatic signals are plated, not controlled 00:39:10 <Brianetta> I like to build signals realistically, so long straights will have regular (read: automatic) signals. 00:39:24 <Sacro> Brianetta: yep :) 00:39:31 <Sacro> but automatics are plated 00:39:37 <Sacro> black with white line 00:39:39 <Brianetta> Yeah, it's backwards, I know 00:39:46 <Rubidium> Brianetta: and for the others you need to manually set the route each time a train comes ;) 00:39:48 <Brianetta> We need a UK signals grf 00:39:56 <Sacro> but then most people don't seem to know which side of a signal is the front 00:40:05 <Brianetta> Rubidium: For PBS signals, there's a guy in a box somewhere doing just that. 00:40:08 <Sacro> and hence use 'in front' incorrectly 00:40:23 <Sacro> Rubidium: depends, some have auto buttons 00:40:32 <Sacro> other boxes uses Automatic Route Setting Equipment 00:40:47 <Brianetta> Mechanical interlocks (: 00:41:04 <Rubidium> ARS makes simsig boring 00:41:29 <Brianetta> PBS wait is now infinite 00:41:32 <Sacro> Rubidium: it is disableable 00:41:41 <Brianetta> Shame the two-way wait can't be made to be so 00:41:54 <Brianetta> and the one-way for that matter 00:42:23 <Sacro> hmm 00:42:26 <Brianetta> I find that trains which automatically turn around, ever, tend to do so *exactly* as I'm clicking the ignore signals button. 00:42:33 <Sacro> I want distant signals now :( 00:42:43 <Brianetta> Sacro: I want yellow ones 00:42:49 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 00:42:49 <Sacro> Brianetta: yes, I might have to do a patch 00:42:50 <Brianetta> and longer reservations 00:42:53 <Sacro> Aye 00:42:58 <Sacro> ooh, 4 aspects :D 00:43:10 <Brianetta> If a train can reserve through two blocks, we might occasionally actually see a green light 00:43:15 <Sacro> 4 aspect signals that reserve two blocks? 00:43:41 <Sacro> could even do flashing greens that reserve 3 00:44:33 <Rubidium> Brianetta: where did you gather the wisdom that you can't disable turning around at two and one way signals? 00:45:00 <Brianetta> THe forum 00:45:48 <Brianetta> I just had to quit openttd to change resolution 00:45:56 <Rubidium> @commit 14852 00:45:56 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by michi_cc :: r14852 /trunk/src (settings.cpp train_cmd.cpp) (2009-01-05 20:29:05 UTC) 00:45:57 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: -Feature: Automatic reversing in front of block signals can now be disabled by setting pf.wait_oneway_signal respectively pf.wait_twoway_signal to 255. 00:46:05 <Brianetta> Cool. 00:46:10 * Brianetta changes them to the magic number 00:46:35 <Sacro> argh 00:46:38 <Sacro> that's not in front 00:46:41 <Sacro> that's behind >< 00:47:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15749 /trunk/src/disaster_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: apply coding style to disaster_cmd.cpp 00:47:55 <Brianetta> Sacro: The devs aren't railway folk 00:48:05 <Sacro> Brianetta: sigh, I know 00:48:36 <Rubidium> neither are the Dutch train drivers ;) 00:49:09 <Rubidium> "wij wachten voor het sein" -> "we are waiting in front of the signal" 00:49:50 <Brianetta> No, in Soviet Russia, the signal is in front of *you* 00:49:58 <Brianetta> and in the UK, as it happens (: 00:50:02 <Sacro> Yep 00:50:07 <Sacro> the signal is in advance of you 00:50:10 <Sacro> you are in rear of it 00:52:47 <[wito]> argh 00:52:49 <glx> Rubidium: in french it's the same 00:52:57 <[wito]> I can't afford to connect my brand new road depot to the road. :/ 00:53:54 <Brianetta> It's nice being able to disable breakdowns on the fly 00:54:02 <glx> hehe 00:54:06 <Brianetta> That used to be a "kick everybody off and start again" fail 00:54:50 <Sacro> Brianetta: they are all going bankrupt :( 00:54:56 <Brianetta> Good. 00:54:59 <Brianetta> Life isn't easy. 00:55:02 <Brianetta> It's a recession. 00:55:11 <[wito]> ooh 00:55:15 <Sacro> whereas my profits are skyrocketing 00:55:19 <[wito]> realistic accel. <3 00:55:22 <Sacro> probably cos I cram all my trains on one line 00:55:27 <[wito]> Sacro: feel free to share the wealth. :P 00:56:12 <Brianetta> reserve_paths = false 00:56:19 <Brianetta> That's not difficult to misinterpret (: 00:58:07 <Sacro> [wito]: still have a loan 00:58:28 <Sacro> I just know how to pull massive profits using coal 00:58:38 <Sacro> hmm, how to use conditional orders 00:58:48 <Sacro> or do i have a huge coal drop off 00:58:55 <Sacro> and have a couple of huge trains to shift any excess 00:58:59 <Sacro> I like the transfer idea better 01:00:45 <[wito]> yeah? Well I have a HEADQUARTER! 01:00:54 <[wito]> They don't call me the king of unneccessaryland for nothing! 01:01:09 <Sacro> Brianetta: i think we should have semaphores on the huge cross track brackety things 01:01:27 * Brianetta blinks 01:01:35 <Brianetta> Oh right 01:01:38 <Brianetta> Yeah 01:01:41 <Brianetta> Lights, too 01:01:53 <Sacro> Yeah 01:01:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:57 <Sacro> gantrys! 01:02:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:03:03 <Sacro> hmm, how does this sytem work 01:03:23 <Sacro> i want them to dump any excess onto the overflow train 01:03:32 <Sacro> but if the powerstation can take it then it should 01:03:34 <Sacro> >< 01:03:39 <Yexo> use unload 01:04:04 <Yexo> unload and leave empty to be exact 01:04:59 <Sacro> hmm, right :) 01:05:07 <Sacro> wh would you have unload and take cargo? 01:05:52 <Yexo> that can be usefull for two-way trains, where both stations have a coal mine and a powerplant 01:08:29 <Sacro> Oh right 01:13:30 <[wito]> My god, man! 01:13:37 <[wito]> You're gonna bleed the land dry! 01:15:08 <Sacro> wyho me? 01:15:30 <Sacro> [wito]: me? 01:15:35 <[wito]> yes 01:15:43 <Sacro> all these trains need coal 01:16:54 <[wito]> It's a bit sad 01:17:00 <Sacro> what? 01:17:09 <[wito]> my horses are the only sound investment I've made so far in this game. :/ 01:17:15 <Sacro> horses? 01:18:02 <Sacro> oh es 01:23:36 <Brianetta> Hmm, I think autoclean might bite us in the arse tonight 01:24:26 <Brianetta> Oh wait, the comments don't reflect the logic 01:26:19 <Brianetta> and the wiki's out of date now 01:26:39 <Brianetta> I'll fix it tomorrow if I remember, but right now I'm off to bed 01:27:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:30:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15750 /trunk/src/disaster_cmd.cpp: -Fix: The big ufo sometimes landed just outside the map. 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[~notme@cm91.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:59:43 *** tug [~tug@ppp91-76-97-8.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 07:15:32 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:15:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:36 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 07:16:39 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm91.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:19:08 *** Noldo_ is now known as Noldo 07:46:03 <petern> :D 07:47:18 <goodger> D: 07:47:25 <Forked> need..more..coffeee 07:48:20 * goodger is going to try and locate a bulk source of relentless 07:50:52 *** dyzdyz [~dyzdyz@193.189.116.2] has joined #openttd 07:50:59 <dyzdyz> hi all 07:54:15 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-work 07:57:00 <dih> i need a good and reasonable colocation hoster 07:57:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:05:21 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 08:05:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:42 <dyzdyz> do i need files from "data" folder for compiling ottd? 08:08:49 <dyzdyz> or just for playing? 08:08:55 <Forked> just for playing 08:09:04 <dyzdyz> thx 08:09:16 <dyzdyz> and what about files from "lang" folder 08:09:18 <dyzdyz> ? 08:09:39 <Noldo> what are you trying to do? 08:10:17 <dyzdyz> i'm compiling ottd in msvs9 08:10:38 <dyzdyz> and when i compiled lataest rev, just added lang files from latest nightly 08:10:52 <dyzdyz> but now i'm compiling older rev 08:11:09 <dyzdyz> and i'm not sure where to get lang files 08:11:25 <Noldo> where did you get the source? 08:11:26 <Ammler> lang files are in trunk 08:11:30 <dih> if you grab the source, the source of the lang files are there already 08:11:33 <dih> and will be compiled 08:11:35 <dyzdyz> Noldo: svn 08:11:39 <Ammler> :-) 08:11:47 <dih> then have a look in src/lang/ ;-) 08:11:47 <Ammler> morning 08:11:51 <dih> hi 08:12:41 <Noldo> dih: are you working on something ottd related nowadays? 08:12:59 <dyzdyz> dih: so what files i have to copy manually after compiling? 08:13:29 <dih> Noldo: ottd related or ottd? 08:13:49 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:50 <dih> dyzdyz, after compiling != for compiling! 08:14:13 <dyzdyz> i mean after 08:14:19 <dih> to play? 08:14:23 <dyzdyz> yes 08:14:35 <dih> the data files as described in the readme.txt file 08:14:44 <Noldo> dih: to which ever the answer is 'yes' 08:14:54 <dih> mainly openttd related 08:14:56 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:03 <Noldo> autopilot stuff? 08:15:05 <dih> yep 08:19:41 <petern> you don't need to copy anything 08:19:47 <petern> just hit run 08:20:18 <dih> hit & run? 08:20:24 <petern> quite 08:20:30 <dih> Noldo, http://trac.openttdcoop.org/milestone/Avignon%200.1 08:26:23 <dyzdyz> hmmm, my lang files just did not compile... 08:27:30 <dih> so there is just an empty bin/lang/ folder? 08:28:14 <dyzdyz> yes :-) 08:28:46 <petern> so find out why 08:29:09 <dyzdyz> i will 08:29:51 <dih> but there is an openttd executable in bin/? 08:30:07 <dih> why not paste your compile output to paste.openttd.org? 08:31:45 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 08:31:55 <dyzdyz> ok, my mistake 08:32:20 <dyzdyz> the *.exe apperas not in bin folder 08:32:46 <dyzdyz> but in objs/Win32/Release 08:33:17 <dyzdyz> when i copied it into bin folder works almost fine :-) 08:37:46 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 08:38:58 <dyzdyz> is it possible that because of not having copypaste.grf when compilig (just added it into data folder later) the fuction doesn't work? 08:39:24 <dyzdyz> does GRFs influent on compiling? 08:39:38 <Noldo> no 08:40:00 <dyzdyz> hmmm 08:40:09 <dih> dyzdyz, why dont you read up on what the copypaste.grf is for? 08:40:28 <dih> and then wonder if you really need to ask that kind of question ^^ 08:40:43 <dyzdyz> i did :-) 08:40:50 <dih> yes, my system cannot copy files from a/ to b/ because i am missing a game extention file 08:40:52 <dyzdyz> but i have no more ideas :-/ 08:41:03 <dih> makes sense 08:41:16 <dih> please please, just paste your compiler output to paste.openttd.org 08:41:33 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 08:42:00 <dyzdyz> http://paste.openttd.org/180566 08:43:31 <dih> oh - you are not even using ./configure and Makefile ?? 08:44:28 <dyzdyz> i'm not 08:44:38 <dyzdyz> i used this instruction: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions 08:48:57 <dyzdyz> i downloaded and patched the source using tortoiseSVN, the patch matches rev, followe dinstructions from wiki, got build without errors, copiet data folder, including copypaste.grf... 08:50:01 <dyzdyz> sorry for misspellings 08:51:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:51:38 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-9-162.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:07:29 <Darkvater> bleh, disc 09:10:06 <petern> hurr hurr hurr 09:12:14 * dih waves hello to DarkSSHClone 09:12:16 <dih> aahahhh 09:12:19 <dih> Darkvater, 09:12:20 <dih> there 09:12:22 <dih> :-P 09:15:14 <Darkvater> hmm 09:15:35 * DASPRiD is pretty round 09:16:25 <Darkvater> gaah, huge laaag 09:16:33 *** DarkSSHClone was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [fo] 09:16:40 <DASPRiD> lol 09:17:01 <petern> hmm, still only 8 companies 09:21:11 *** th1ngwath is now known as thingwath 09:23:07 <SpComb> Darkvater: it's much more stylish to kill off your own clones using NickServ 09:23:43 <dih> ^^ 09:23:57 <petern> ARGH FUCKING SHIT 09:24:07 <petern> thunderbird is really pissing me off 09:24:12 <petern> what's a good imap client for windows? 09:24:29 <dih> .... 09:24:36 <dih> thunderbird? :-P 09:24:39 <petern> no 09:24:40 <dih> what's the issue? 09:24:42 <petern> it's shit 09:25:23 <petern> it's deleting behaviour leaves a lot to be desired 09:25:30 <petern> and then it locks up 09:26:28 <Darkvater> tb was er slow when I used ti 09:26:32 <Darkvater> so back to outlook :) 09:27:02 <petern> there's no way to expunge a mailbox without installing a plugin 09:27:07 <petern> and then it takes AGES to do it 09:27:59 * petern tries mulberry 09:28:08 <dih> telnet ^^ 09:28:20 <petern> nah 09:28:24 <petern> talking imap is not fun 09:30:07 <dih> roundcube.net 09:31:13 <petern> i'm not using webmail 09:31:55 <racetrack> petern: "file->compact folders" 09:31:58 <racetrack> iirc 09:32:04 <racetrack> that issues EXPUNGE 09:33:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:27 <petern> bah, mulberry's shit too 09:35:01 <dih> petern: #thunderbird 09:35:01 <dih> :-D 09:35:27 <petern> i like evolution 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<racetrack> fixed my crasher too 11:46:55 <Forked> racetrack: seeing some strange behaviour when stopping and reversing the train while it's in a DTD. Using the diff and rev mentioned in my pm 11:47:24 <Forked> right now I have the same train thats in the save standing perfectly still while invisible .. heading for a depot at (it claims) 201km/h 11:49:16 <racetrack> awesome, again not realising its in the depot 11:49:30 <racetrack> gimme a sec, I'll commit/stash what I'm in the middle of and then rebuild for your rev 11:50:04 <Forked> I don't have much time to help right now, suppose to be working :) (but I end up being hardly working :p) 11:50:50 <racetrack> haha thats ok, I gtg to bed shortly anyway 11:51:02 *** ecke [~ecke@195.113.128.175] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:51:10 <Rubidium> we can easily exempt you from that requirement ;) 11:51:43 <racetrack> cool then, I'll tackle it on the bus in the morning. you've got seven hours to fill up my inbox with whatever tests and another crap you can :) 11:51:52 <racetrack> Rubidium: pretty wife trumps your exemption, sorry ;) 11:52:43 <Forked> racetrack: if you have a new diff I can test a bit more later 11:53:27 <Forked> visually that was pretty cool.. had two wagons mergo into each other and then totally dissapair in a depot :p not sure how I did it 11:53:34 <racetrack> maybe. what I have isn't really suitable for consumption, but I'll look back a few revs to see if I have one that's a little more solid 11:53:37 <racetrack> haha 11:53:49 <Forked> two trains stuck in there somewhere.. :) 11:53:52 <racetrack> if they're coming in from opposite sides they won't collide 11:54:00 <racetrack> the overlap looks really weird 11:54:24 <Forked> no rush, once things are ready and if I have time.. I can try and mess things up a bit :) 11:54:30 <racetrack> so much so that I'm considering only allowing one to enter at a time and making the other stop at a fake signal. just to make it look nice :P 11:58:23 <petern> moo 12:05:01 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:05:06 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 12:08:59 <racetrack> Forked: http://cataclysm.cx/random/openttd/drive-through-depots.r15750.diff 12:09:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.119.69] has joined #openttd 12:09:20 <racetrack> thats latest latest, with my barely-tested signalling stuff in 12:09:32 <racetrack> which isn't at all right yet, along the lines of my forum post 12:09:41 <racetrack> (ie checking the block on the wrong side before leaving) 12:09:59 <racetrack> but if you just play with single trains you should be fine 12:18:41 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-9-162.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 12:18:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:22:01 <petern> hmm, i can't see how to do this mapping thing without an 'object' :o 12:26:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15751 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/shared/ (debug.cpp string.cpp string_func.h): 12:26:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [MSU] -Fix: compilation 12:26:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [MSU] -Backport: improvement of string helper functions 12:26:51 <petern> hm 12:30:51 <petern> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/railtypemap3.diff (compiled, untested) 12:31:02 <petern> gah, stupid web server 12:32:40 <dih> petern, if you want it tested, best hint i could give would be ask the openttdguys to run it on their dev game ;-) 12:33:45 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:34:16 <Rubidium> dih: it's not like their test of that diff will be very useful 12:34:21 <petern> indeed it won't 12:34:34 <petern> anyway 12:34:45 <Rubidium> especially as in their case half of the diff isn't even triggered 12:35:00 <petern> to avoid calling Sl(Read|Write)Byte() directly seems i have to go through hoops 12:35:14 <dih> oh that's a bummer 12:35:44 <petern> (compare with railtypemap2.diff) 12:37:39 <Rubidium> the other solution is SLEG but that also introduces a global variable 12:38:09 <petern> indeed 12:41:14 <petern> somebody didn't like Sl(Read|Write)Byte(), can't remmeber who :o 12:52:36 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B80FD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:41 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8094A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:58:27 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-147.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:02:42 *** ecke [~ecke@pc153-140.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:05:41 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:08:01 <Forked> woho. I have the invisible train 13:11:46 *** narc [~narc@86.104.40.152] has left #openttd [Coming soon to theaters near you -- PART 2] 13:17:00 <petern> Rubidium, what's your opinion? 13:17:13 <petern> SLE, SLEG, or SlR/WByte? 13:20:46 <Rubidium> should I have one? 13:20:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:21:05 <petern> insert implicit "if you have one" :p 13:21:27 <Rubidium> and any reason why it shouldn't be similar to the house/industry/vehicle override stuf? 13:24:05 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:25:08 *** BobbySixkiller [dota.keys@wireless-147.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:25:08 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:08 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-147.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:57 <dih> http://paste.openttd.org/180577 <- let servers mention the client id of the joined client in the join message 13:26:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:26:47 <dih> this is useful if the admin needs to act quickly and saves him from possibly having to go through a long clients list finding the ip 13:26:51 <dih> the id, sorry 13:30:48 <dih> Rubidium, ^ 13:31:08 <dih> or would you prefer a fs entry? :-P 13:31:18 <dih> s/ a / an / 13:31:27 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 13:35:23 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:37:35 *** hackalittlebit [~hackalitt@195-23-22-155.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 13:39:10 <DASPRiD> dih, you should not talk to yourself in #ottdcoop :P 13:42:05 *** ecke [~ecke@pc153-140.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 13:49:07 *** hackalittlebit [~hackalitt@195-23-22-155.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:56:36 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:56:48 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:01:52 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 14:01:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:02:33 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-167-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:33 <dih> DASPRiD, perhaps you did not get what that was about ;-) 14:03:40 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:20 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 14:14:41 *** Condac- [~condac@s83-191-224-165.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:36 *** ecke [~ecke@pc155-222.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 14:20:54 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@Va120.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 14:21:52 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:21:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:25:03 *** ecke [~ecke@pc155-222.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 14:25:14 <fonsinchen> I frequently get the following problem: I want to initialize some values when loading or starting a game, but I don't want to save them as they can be computed from other values. I don't quite know how to do that properly. Of course I can wait until the first function using the respective data is called and then see if it's initialized and act accordingly. But that's ugly. Is there a better solution? 14:26:33 <petern> there's a whole set of stuff done after load 14:26:41 <petern> in, er, saveload/afterload 14:26:41 <Forked> such hostility on the forum :\ 14:27:04 <petern> i might just slip and click on the X for his posts 14:27:24 <Rubidium> "I wanted to report it" 14:27:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-77.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:54 <fonsinchen> Oh, nice. Thanks. I assume this is also called when starting a new game? 14:30:26 <SmatZ> AfterLoadGame is called after loading a game 14:30:52 <Rubidium> InitialiseGame ;) 14:30:52 <Rubidium> that one's called for both new and loaded games 14:30:53 <SmatZ> have a look at InitilizeGame or so :) 14:34:15 *** BobbySixkiller [dota.keys@wireless-147.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:37:25 <fonsinchen> ok, thanks 14:43:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.206.135] has joined #openttd 14:43:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:36 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:05:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 15:05:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:17 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 15:07:50 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:15:22 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-77.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm91.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:16:36 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet608.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:25:36 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-77.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:44 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:42:28 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 15:43:06 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 15:45:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:46:39 <[wito]> Sacro: Woop 15:47:24 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:05 *** ecke [~ecke@pc148-33.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 15:55:55 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:07 *** ecke [~ecke@pc148-33.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:49 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:41 <Sacro> [wito]: yeah? 16:07:11 <[wito]> I was under the impression that the server was paused when noone was connected 16:07:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:42 <[wito]> because, err 16:09:46 <[wito]> it wasn't. :P 16:11:58 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:11:59 <Sacro> gege 16:12:01 <Sacro> *hehe 16:12:18 *** Yexo is now known as Guest475 16:12:19 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 16:12:31 <[wito]> so 16:12:42 <[wito]> you might want to log in real quick and clean up your network 16:12:53 <[wito]> there's quite a few congestion points where coal mines have ceased to be 16:13:38 <petern> ah, sacro's network :p 16:13:44 <petern> he's good at congestion points 16:13:53 <Sacro> oh yes 16:13:56 <Sacro> I need to fix that 16:14:10 <Sacro> petern: i had a rather efficient snazzy junction 16:14:19 <Sacro> 4 track line to 5 plat terminus 16:15:46 <Sacro> hmm 16:15:54 <Sacro> let me snag the OSX binary 16:18:39 *** Guest475 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:22 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@Va120.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:40 <petern> pah, OSX 16:24:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-76-77.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:33 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:26:43 <pavel1269> hi 16:26:47 <dih> osx rox 16:26:54 <dih> ^^ 16:28:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15752 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Fix: don't try to (un)draw the cursor when the screen is not ready 16:28:59 <Rubidium> dih: and the way that osx rox is shown by the fact that no-one has fixed the OSX specific bugs nor implemented the missing automatic font selection 16:30:19 <dih> Rubidium, rocks are hard ^^ 16:43:36 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:43:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:43:59 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:59 <el_en> B! 16:45:35 <Bjarni> e! 16:46:40 <Bjarni> nice. The document I was promised to get at least 45 minutes ago have yet to arrive 16:46:42 <yorick> !inrajB 16:47:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 16:47:21 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:47:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:40 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 16:48:07 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.25.41] has joined #openttd 16:48:08 <Bjarni> yorick: looks like you have a 64 bit endian issue 16:48:33 <yorick> me? 16:48:35 <yorick> yes 16:48:40 <Bjarni> yorick: does this look correct to you? 16:48:44 <el_en> not you, the other yorick 16:48:49 <Bjarni> 876543219 16:49:14 <batti5> Romanian Train Set 0.2 is relased. 16:49:16 <Bjarni> yeah, that yorick ---> 16:49:29 <yorick> that says 437294218? 16:49:57 <yorick> batti5: released* 16:50:53 <Bjarni> At one time I was named "rajBin" in multiplayer games. That's how we figured that we need to do some serious endian fixing in the network code 16:51:03 <batti5> <yorick> Thanks 16:51:23 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet608.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:51:25 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02a0c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:42 <el_en> Bjarni: probably saved you from guantánamo, too. 16:51:57 *** Biolunar is now known as Guest479 16:52:46 *** Guest479 is now known as biolunar 16:54:12 <Bjarni> ? 16:54:48 <Bjarni> what's nauganátom? 16:55:04 <el_en> wtf, you haven't even heard of guantánamo? 16:55:36 <glx> isn't it supposed to be closed now? 16:55:37 <el_en> have you followed the news during the past 8 years? 16:55:42 <el_en> glx: not yet, but soon. 16:56:03 <el_en> or did they already manage to close it this quickly? 16:57:12 <Bjarni> they postponed closing it for one year 16:57:25 <Bjarni> they figured that they couldn't handle it as quickly as they presumed 17:01:37 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 17:03:18 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FE5B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:22 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-167-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 17:10:31 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:12:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff426.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:18:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15753 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15702)[FS#2742]: Crash when clicking the small area between the savegame list and the save button in the save game window. 17:19:42 <taisteluorava> heh, nice fix 17:20:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:21:06 <Yexo> actually it's more a hack, but this makes it easy to backport 17:21:55 <taisteluorava> btw there is bug when you use bigger font which goes over "fontbox", it draw those letters in screen 17:22:00 <Yexo> if RC1 hadn't been released yet I'd have rewritten nearly all code that handles that window, to document the widgets 17:22:22 <Yexo> do you have an example of such a font? 17:22:34 <taisteluorava> when you set medium_size font over 12 youl's see it easily when moving any windows 17:22:36 <taisteluorava> "window 17:23:39 <taisteluorava> i can upload a screenshot, it tells more than 100 word 17:25:46 <Yexo> not needed, I've seen the problem already 17:26:19 <Yexo> but this won't be fixed untill Albert's oop widgets hit trunk 17:26:53 <taisteluorava> kk 17:27:08 <taisteluorava> but it happens only when text is too "long" to box 17:27:21 <taisteluorava> yeah, u know 17:27:42 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:56 <petern> the gui is not scalable 17:28:05 <petern> so it's not a bug, but expected behaviour 17:28:14 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:28:28 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 17:28:42 <taisteluorava> yeah, not big deal anyways 17:29:00 <Belugas> cpp_gui is the answer to all those problems 17:29:55 <Yexo> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1905 will solve a quite a few 17:32:50 <el_en> what do you think, would Bjarni know that Toronto is the capital of Canada? 17:33:18 <Belugas> hehehe 17:33:28 <Belugas> i think Bjarni would know better ;) 17:36:14 <petern> i though cpp_gui was dead? 17:36:25 <petern> or is nestedwidgets an evolution? 17:36:49 <Rubidium> cpp_gui is dead for a long time 17:37:31 <Rubidium> say two years 17:38:07 <Belugas> not sure if estedwidgets is the nest step, but at least it's alive :) 17:38:10 <Belugas> +n 17:38:23 * Belugas shacks his defective keyboard 17:39:38 <Belugas> and no, i don't REALLY think cpp_gui wold have solved it 17:39:44 <Belugas> not in that form, anyway 17:40:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:27 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 17:49:36 <petern> rightyho 17:50:28 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 18:00:18 <petern> Belugas, from what i saw of it nestedwidgets is a good thing 18:01:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:01:38 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:10 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 18:05:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:06:45 <Forked> hm 18:08:16 <Alberth> Belugas: I had a look at cpp_gui, and decided we needed something simpler 18:08:28 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:15:23 * Belugas agrees with both of you, petern and Alberth 18:19:58 <petern> Alberth: so do it ;) 18:21:44 <Belugas> on the other hand... i fear that a system that would resize a gui/widget up until the text is fully displayed might give some very unbalanced windows 18:22:24 <Belugas> like... imagine a german translator getting wacko ;) 18:23:33 <petern> pah, silly germans ;) 18:24:13 * Forked ponders about the attitude some people have 18:25:59 <Forked> if it's so horrible that they (devs) have not created a much wanted feature.. why not do it yourself instead of complaining how it's been overlooked FOR A BILLION years by ..someone else 18:26:21 <Alberth> Belugas: is not a problem, germans are used to such windows, and non-germans don't use that lang file :P 18:26:28 <Forked> can someone explain? :) 18:26:37 <Yexo> Forked: still talking about Sirkoz? 18:26:58 <Forked> let's call the person anonymous #5 ? it doesn't matter who it is, or does it? 18:27:23 <Yexo> no, but I'd like to be sure we're talking about the same one :) 18:27:53 <Belugas> it might matter. some users have a bery big ego and are quite furstrated when their beloved work did not find the direct path to trunk 18:28:03 <Alberth> everybody is used to complaining about computers and programs. Most probably don't even realize they can fix it if they wanted it 18:28:30 <Belugas> but Alberth, it means actually to... work... 18:28:33 <Belugas> yurk! 18:28:46 <Forked> Belugas: It is not the author of the patch that is ..commenting on the feature being overlooked.. in this case 18:28:59 <Belugas> you've got to be kidding!... it's a game!!! why should I work at all??? 18:29:15 <Belugas> Forked, it's something very common 18:29:25 <Belugas> it's an egocentric thing 18:30:18 <Alberth> Belugas: and not only do you have to work, you also have to think very hard of a better way to deal with the problem in a general way (ie not a solution that works for yourself only) 18:30:25 <Forked> "I shouted my needs, why the hell isn't the world doing what I want!?" 18:30:53 <Belugas> indeed, indeed 18:31:09 <Rubidium> because your on my foo list 18:31:15 <Rubidium> uhm... foe 18:31:24 <Forked> I still find it amazing that people actually spend their own time to make such cool stuff.. without demanding anything in return (except less bitching perhaps:p) 18:31:40 <pavel1269> :-) 18:31:42 <Forked> Rubidium: I am? neat =p 18:32:14 <Rubidium> maybe 18:32:29 <Rubidium> don't know and can't be bothered to look at it 18:32:48 <Rubidium> but well... lots of threads look like monologues 18:33:51 <pavel1269> ye, because not many ppl can compile? and those patches, not big, and anything very new, why bother? :-) 18:34:44 <Alberth> pavel1269: compiling from source is becoming a lost art 18:34:55 <pavel1269> yeah 18:35:32 <pavel1269> but i am sad that i have never been able to produce somethink cool myself :-( .... 18:35:41 <Forked> well setting up the whole MS environment can be a pain.. but for me mingw32 has worked pretty good. 18:36:11 <pavel1269> i always know, how should i write it ... but i get stuck, when i dont know, how to write it in "real" ... :( 18:37:33 <Forked> Yexo: and yes, this time it was. 18:37:51 <Belugas> pavel1269, ne step at a time. programming is not something you receive at birth. you have to understand a lot. 18:38:39 <glx> really? 18:39:13 <pavel1269> i do understand "a lot" for me .... but its just basics .... when it come to "&", a lot of pointers and templates i am lost :-( 18:40:28 <Alberth> pavel1269: that's normal. You try something and get stuck. You learn why your approach does not work, find a new approach, try, fail again, etc. Each time you get a bit further until you run out of steps you need to do. Then you have solved the problem ! 18:40:38 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:40:45 <Alberth> glx: there are some exceptions of course 18:42:25 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:43 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:50 <Belugas> glx, yes, when starting to code from scratch, there are lots of stuff to "swallow" 18:43:58 <Belugas> that is my opinion, anyway 18:48:50 <Alberth> Current high level languages also create a barrier for OpenTTD coding. New programmers can write programs without ever seeing or using a pointer explicitly, so they don't understand the concept good enough to use in a language like C or C++ 18:49:31 <Yexo> then it's a good idea for them to learn a bit about pointers 18:50:24 <Yexo> using high level languages is fine, but imo people should understand (at least to a certain point) how pointers work / how using advanced things effects the performance of your program 18:50:34 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:58 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:19 <Alberth> Rubidium: I proposed to introduce Point16 rather than using Point so all alternatives of the NWidgetPart union are (roughly) of the same size. 18:53:03 <Rubidium> with 64 bits pointers that'll still be the case 18:53:41 <Alberth> thinking ahead to 64bit systems eh? :D 18:54:36 <petern> ahead? 18:55:23 <Alberth> I still have a Win95 system with a Pentium 120 standing here :P 18:55:46 <Alberth> Great for DOS games 18:56:56 <Rubidium> isn't DOS box for that? 18:57:09 <glx> Alberth: I have a 133MMX with win98 ;) 18:57:51 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:51 <Prof_Frink> I'm *using* a 166MMX. 19:00:44 <Rubidium> my CPU also supports MMX and is faster than 166 MHz 19:02:50 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm91.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:02:59 <petern> even so 19:06:38 <Aali> I have a 64-bit system from 1993 :) 19:06:43 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has joined #openttd 19:06:58 <Aali> or was it 94? i forget 19:07:08 <glx> not a PC I guess 19:07:19 <Aali> indeed 19:07:25 <Aali> its an alphastation 19:07:57 <[wito]> ]]]margin % [wito] 19:08:33 <[wito]> ww 19:09:12 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]] 19:11:56 <[wito]> Sacro: Woop? 19:16:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host148-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:16:19 <Wolf01> hello 19:16:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:17:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:23:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15754 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 19:23:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-03-17 18:42:46 19:23:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 63 fixed by thetitan (63) 19:23:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 4 fixed by habell (4) 19:23:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: romanian - 3 fixed by kkmic (3) 19:23:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 3 fixed by eusebio (3) 19:23:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: turkish - 3 fixed by Emin (3) 19:28:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:00 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 19:39:59 <el_en> hello Wolf01 19:40:07 *** biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02a0c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 19:40:34 <Wolf01> hello el_en 19:40:56 <el_en> buenasera 19:41:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15755 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_house.cpp town.h): -Fix: Number of houses in house variables 0x44, 0x60 and 0x61 were incorrect after 0xFF had been reached and could desync clients joining afterwards. 19:41:55 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:43:42 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:48 <Wolf01> after downloading the opengfx via the content manager and trying to activate it from the game options I receive a warning about corrupt or missing grf, it's that right? 19:53:12 <Wolf01> ok, now it works, I needed to close and restart ottd 19:59:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet608.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:01:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 20:03:51 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-61.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 20:05:08 <frosch123> was the check-landscape-generator-sprites-check comitted? 20:05:24 <frosch123> hmm, or actually coded... 20:05:32 <Rubidium> no 20:06:39 <Rubidium> there's a "read only the bits that are needed for the height" change and one that enabled the "fix slopes" for generated maps 20:09:04 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:19 <frosch123> so, "enough" :) 20:11:05 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:11:20 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:20 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 20:13:17 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 20:13:42 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 20:20:11 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:20:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 20:20:22 *** xukelij [~xukelij@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:10 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 20:27:19 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:28:18 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:42 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:30:15 *** SpComb^_ is now known as SpComb^_^ 20:37:17 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Pohodlné vykecávánÃ. Odkudkoliv.] 20:42:03 *** dyzdyz [~dyzdyz@193.189.116.2] has quit [] 20:42:43 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:42 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:54:35 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:23 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.25.41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:18 <Bjarni> <el_en> what do you think, would Bjarni know that Toronto is the capital of Canada? <-- do you think I'm stupid or something? 21:20:28 <Bjarni> <Belugas> i think Bjarni would know better ;) <-- at least one person knows me ^^ 21:21:22 <SmatZ> does not knowing capitals make you stupid? 21:21:50 <Bjarni> it might 21:22:17 <Bjarni> but considering the fact that a relative moved to Toronto, I should know XD 21:22:22 <frosch123> you needed various hours to google for it though 21:22:28 <SmatZ> hehe 21:22:33 <Bjarni> I have never seen him and he died of old age some years ago, but still 21:22:43 <SmatZ> ah :( 21:22:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FE5B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:23:05 <Bjarni> <frosch123> you needed various hours to google for it though <--- no. I wasn't paying attention 21:23:10 <Bjarni> basically I fell asleep 21:23:16 <Bjarni> I had a hard exam today 21:24:07 <frosch123> so, no lecture? I see, easy to run out of sleep in that case. 21:25:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff426.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:54 <Bjarni> <frosch123> so, no lecture? I see, easy to run out of sleep in that case. <-- actually I had lectures all day except for lunch break and the time for the exam 21:41:15 *** sailo [~simon@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 21:41:31 <sailo> hey guys, when becomes a town a city? 21:41:36 <el_en> right, the attempt to fool Bjarni into thinking Toronto is the capital instead of Vancouver has failed. 21:41:59 <Rubidium> they don't 21:42:06 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:11 <Rubidium> it starts as town or it starts as city 21:42:23 <Rubidium> but it won't change "type" 21:42:39 <el_en> they becomen't 21:42:48 <sailo> so there are some towns, where you simply can't build a bank? 21:42:58 <sailo> even though they become huge? 21:43:08 <[wito]> sailo: banks are population-based 21:43:14 <[wito]> 1200 in temperate, I believe 21:43:19 <Bjarni> el_en: pisst.... Ottawa 21:43:25 <sailo> okay then. 21:43:27 <sailo> thanks. 21:43:36 <Rubidium> for that a town just needs 1200 inhabitants 21:43:48 <Rubidium> and then it's random anyways 21:44:07 <Rubidium> so a town with 1200 inhabitants can get a bank whereas one with a million might not 21:49:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93.81.212.154] has joined #openttd 21:50:18 <SmatZ> [22:43:21] <Bjarni> el_en: pisst.... Ottawa <== frosch123 was right about "hours spent googling" :-D 21:52:44 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:54:54 <el_en> yeah :) 21:57:01 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #openttd 22:02:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93.81.212.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@Va120.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:14:31 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93.81.226.74] has joined #openttd 22:15:01 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:20:12 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:23:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host148-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:23:32 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:02 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #openttd 22:25:43 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 22:41:34 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@93.81.215.197] has joined #openttd 22:47:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93.81.226.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:14 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 22:51:16 *** wision_ is now known as wision 22:53:15 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:57:00 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:10 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 23:00:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@Va120.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:39 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:23 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 23:17:41 *** sailo [~simon@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #openttd [] 23:18:10 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 23:22:42 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15756 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: remove the assumption that the second windget is always the title bar. Also replace a few magic numbers with a const. 23:27:38 <SmatZ> uh uh tea and glass shards all over my floor, what have I done :-x 23:28:56 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-61.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:30:13 <Rubidium> proven Newtons theorem that tea doesn't fall far from the table 23:31:20 <SmatZ> hehehe 23:33:27 <Vikthor> Or maybe proven you should stop coding and go to bed, you OpenTTD-holic :p 23:34:09 <SmatZ> Vikthor: it would be great if I were coding for OTTD :) sadly, school is what matters now... 23:35:09 <Rubidium> nah, this is the best time of the day to do coding 23:35:16 <Rubidium> nice and quiet 23:35:19 <SmatZ> :o) 23:35:27 * Sacro hums 23:35:38 <Rubidium> no stupid ln/yorick/... who's annoying you 23:35:53 <SmatZ> hehe 23:36:03 <SmatZ> I am not annyoned by them though :) 23:38:30 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:45 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:53 *** eMJay [~michael@60.241.9.164] has joined #openttd 23:45:16 *** eMJay is now known as emjay88 23:45:39 <emjay88> anyone here I can talk to about the Graphics replacement project? 23:46:51 <Rubidium> depends on the part you want to talk about 23:47:22 <emjay88> Just need a quick explaination of how I can help 23:47:34 <emjay88> I unzipped the opengfx files 23:48:01 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Graphics_Replacement 23:48:01 <emjay88> and would like to have a go at building graphics, but don't really know anything about the codes for the metadata file 23:49:07 <Rubidium> that page lists the missing sprites, i.e. the sprites you can draw 23:49:28 <emjay88> yeah, I have been around the wiki, that's more of an "About the project" and "how to set up opengfx" 23:49:48 <emjay88> not really "you need to make a x file and it needs to be x by y pixels etc" 23:49:57 <Rubidium> when you're satified with them you can post them in the forum thread mentioned at the bottom of the page 23:51:48 <emjay88> ok, so I need to look for one that's missing, find it's pink square in the pcx file, and make an image that's that big? 23:52:07 <emjay88> ie, one that matches the dimensions of the pink placeholder? 23:52:22 <Rubidium> it should be black, not pink 23:52:41 <emjay88> might be a "feature" of Eye of Gnome :P 23:52:44 <Rubidium> so I think you need to try another palette in grfcodec 23:53:55 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:35 <Rubidium> anyhow, for town buildings you need to make sure that it fits within the "base" of a tile 23:55:17 <emjay88> how do I know how many tiles a particular building uses? (or are they all one tile?) 23:55:53 <Rubidium> decode the original graphics ;) 23:56:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:35 <emjay88> what palette do the openGFX files use? 23:58:56 <Rubidium> check the .obg 23:59:49 <Rubidium> probably the windows palette