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00:02:37 <fonsinchen1> bah, I get numeric instability when calculating the MCF 00:03:06 <fonsinchen1> should have used double from the beginning instead of first trying with single precision float ... 00:13:25 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 00:32:00 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:54 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:14 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 00:53:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-220-74.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13:34 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAE9fdd.bae.pppool.de] has left #openttd [] 01:15:22 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:17:39 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:21:34 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:36:39 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.12.246] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 02:04:26 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:08:48 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|SRA412 02:26:54 *** Guest134 [~chatzilla@138.210.136.199] has joined #openttd 02:27:21 *** Guest134 is now known as TheAldo 02:27:36 <TheAldo> hello everyone 02:29:04 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:38 *** TheAldo [~chatzilla@138.210.136.199] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 02:37:05 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:54:28 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 03:08:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:47 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:39:06 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:59 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 05:07:05 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:215:afff:fe21:f032] has joined #openttd 05:07:15 <EoD> hi 05:07:50 <Forked> good morning 05:13:42 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:27:55 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 05:34:01 <orudge> the Internet is quite at this time of the morning 05:35:26 <Forked> the giant sleeps 05:36:06 <EoD> does someone know when the masterserver is restarted? 05:36:20 <EoD> or updated 05:38:14 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0C9B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:51:55 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D518.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:53:04 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D518.versanet.de] has quit [] 05:55:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D518.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:03:09 <dihedral> morning 06:03:50 *** kalasman1en [~kalasmann@h-7-189.A146.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:20:10 <petern> yawnication 06:20:24 <EoD> i've to leave 06:20:26 <EoD> bye 06:20:52 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:215:afff:fe21:f032] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009030622]] 06:21:14 <dihedral> hello petern :) 06:21:33 <orudge> yawnication? 06:21:33 <orudge> lies 06:21:34 <orudge> well 06:21:38 <orudge> I guess it's probably nearly bed time 06:23:07 <dihedral> when is it not bed time? 06:27:10 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.137] has joined #openttd 06:37:48 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 06:38:27 <petern> when it's 7am and you need to get up 06:38:30 <petern> but alas 06:38:34 <petern> orudge is being all nocturnal 06:38:46 <orudge> indeed so 06:38:46 <petern> like some kind of teenager 06:38:48 <orudge> well 06:38:50 <orudge> I am no teenager 06:38:53 <orudge> but I do have a project due 06:38:55 <orudge> so I am being a student! 06:39:28 <petern> what, going out drinking all night and not doing your work? 06:39:47 <orudge> no! 06:39:50 <orudge> staying up all night doing my work! 06:40:02 <orudge> that I didn't do in previous weeks due to going out drinking all night! 06:41:57 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm183.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:46:56 <dihedral> hehe :-P 07:01:17 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:04:20 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:16:11 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has joined #openttd 07:22:51 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5B0D382E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:23 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49:42 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.137] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 07:52:41 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:05:39 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.137] has joined #openttd 08:24:13 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:24:24 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 08:26:23 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:29:03 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 08:29:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:29:35 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 08:35:01 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:35:20 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016176dc23d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:43 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016176dc23d.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 08:42:04 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.137] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 08:45:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051054224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:53:22 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:53:24 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 08:56:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:57:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:03:18 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:05:13 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.137] has joined #openttd 09:05:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:06:00 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 09:06:17 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:07:52 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:12:01 * petern ponders the possibility of causing 'mayhem' by spoofing session key packets 09:12:59 <dihedral> \o/ 09:16:21 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 09:16:48 <phidah> What does Lighthouses and Transmitters do? 09:18:15 <jonty-comp> sit look nice 09:18:18 <jonty-comp> +and 09:18:57 <Forked> also they are annoying obstacles :) 09:19:11 <gleeb> phidah, jonty-comp: More than that. They sit there looking pretty EXACTLY where you need to build. 09:19:16 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:24 <jonty-comp> well, yes 09:19:46 <phidah> ok so the essence is that they dont do anything except... eh... be there? :) 09:20:16 <jonty-comp> yes 09:20:43 <dihedral> what do transmitters to for you in real life, if you have no radio, tv, mobile phone, or anything that uses transmitters? 09:21:06 <Forked> pfft.. transmitters were a common sight in the 1850s? :p 09:21:15 <dihedral> ^^ 09:21:30 <dihedral> replace them with windmills ^^ 09:22:21 <Forked> I have been wondering where the electricity for the trains come from 09:22:37 <Forked> (well at least I have been wondering for the lat 38 seconds) 09:23:19 <gleeb> Forked: Magical Catinary Electrification Faeries. Obviously. 09:23:29 <Forked> oh right 09:23:35 <Forked> time for lunch 09:23:59 <petern> hmm, what bit of apache would cause a request for "/news" to go to "/news.php" ? 09:24:33 <gleeb> petern: It's a default behaviour in the PHP module, as I recall. 09:26:00 <petern> err 09:26:03 <petern> hmm 09:27:12 <jonty-comp> OK, seeins as every beginners tutorial on the entire internet works work bind, I will remove nsd for now and learn bind instead 09:27:16 <gleeb> It could be an apache thing, to be honest... 09:27:59 <dihedral> Forked, electricity comes from the master server ^^ 09:29:01 <wision_> mod_rewrite? 09:29:04 <petern> i'm using suphp module rather than the php module 09:29:29 <petern> wision_, nope, i'm trying to use rewrite but it's already attached .php at that point 09:29:51 <petern> thought it might be mod_speling but that's not enabled either 09:30:15 <dihedral> it's a standard behaviour, also does it with .html files iirc 09:30:25 <dihedral> (standard for apache at least) 09:30:34 <petern> happens for .txt yes 09:30:43 <petern> is it turn offable? it's annoying :o 09:30:50 <dihedral> i'll check ^^ 09:31:36 <dihedral> should not be DirectoryIndex ^^ 09:32:01 <petern> multiviews 09:32:01 <petern> hmm 09:32:17 <dihedral> autoindex? 09:33:53 <dihedral> no 09:34:13 <petern> it's MultiViews 09:34:19 <petern> which is enabled by default in a million places 09:34:53 * petern wonders what it does anyway :p 09:35:10 <petern> multiviews seeks to find the 'best match' for any requested URL that does not literally exist on the server. 09:35:13 <petern> gay 09:35:58 <petern> all urls should be specific imho 09:36:06 <dihedral> ^^ 09:36:57 * jonty-comp gives up on learning DNS 09:37:11 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host217-42-3-111.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:38:21 <petern> what's there to learn? 09:39:13 <jonty-comp> too much 09:40:57 <petern> :s 09:41:09 <dihedral> jonty-comp, nobody has pitty with you if you give up that early 09:41:16 <petern> i threw away a bind & dns book the other day 09:41:21 <petern> mostly cos it's vastly of out date 09:41:26 <petern> but also because nobody needs books 09:41:42 <petern> and a sendmail book 09:41:48 <petern> cos nobody should be using sendmail 09:41:54 <jonty-comp> OK, I don't give up D: 09:42:00 <jonty-comp> I will just look for a better tutorial 09:42:09 <jonty-comp> there are too many .s :s 09:42:19 <petern> are you setting up your own server? 09:42:30 <jonty-comp> I like how reverse zone thingys mean you put your IP in backwards 09:42:30 <jonty-comp> yes 09:42:50 <dihedral> reverse lookup is something ircd does 09:43:06 <dihedral> they lookup your ip and then use the dns name that it resolves to in your hostmask 09:43:18 <dihedral> (e.g. run a /whois on one of the people here) 09:43:25 <petern> what are you talking about? 09:43:26 <dihedral> (hint: /whois <nickname>) 09:43:39 <petern> jonty-comp's talking about dns server setup... 09:43:51 <dihedral> yes, he mentioned reverse zones 09:44:05 <petern> what does that have to do with ircds? 09:44:20 <dihedral> ircd is an example of where the reverse lookup is used 09:44:40 <petern> so is "host 127.0.0.1" 09:44:49 <dihedral> ^^ 09:46:05 <petern> so is "host -t PTR 1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" 09:46:59 <petern> (which happens to go some way to explaining that reverse dns isn't magic) 09:47:24 <jonty-comp> not for me it doesn't! 09:47:48 <petern> :s 09:47:53 <gleeb> :| 09:51:07 <dihedral> fixes the client side assert when trying to click on 'new company' in the company dropdown list faster (i.e. 'creating' 2 companies) 09:51:08 <dihedral> http://paste.openttd.org/181354 09:51:49 * jonty-comp gives up again 09:51:58 <gleeb> jonty-comp: What's the trouble? 09:52:12 <jonty-comp> I can tell I need to learn more stuff before I try this :s 09:54:46 <dihedral> ah - nope it does not! 10:01:03 *** Hendikins|SRA412 [~wolfox@ppp121-122.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:05 <dihedral> i hate this assert bug ^^ 10:04:26 <petern> just remove the assert :p 10:04:29 <dihedral> lol 10:04:33 <dihedral> that'd be nice 10:04:40 <dihedral> imo the assert takes place way too late anyway! 10:05:11 <petern> i don't know the flow of code through there, but it seems to be an assert in Cmd-land... 10:05:24 <dihedral> company_cmd.cpp:759 10:05:35 <dihedral> it asserts if _local_company != COMPANY_SPECTATOR 10:05:44 <dihedral> but by then, the company is already created in the client :-P 10:05:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15963 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Fix [FS#2814]: (v)seprintf chopped of strings one character earlier than necessary. 10:06:21 <petern> yes i know where the assert is 10:06:56 <dihedral> and it looks like the server has created the company also already!! 10:07:48 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 10:08:01 <dihedral> i would prefer just ignoring that command (on clients and server) if ci->play_as != COMPANY_SPECTATOR 10:10:43 *** Hendikins|SRA412 [~wolfox@ppp121-122.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:49 <TrueBrain> WASSUP!!! 10:16:15 <dihedral> hello TB 10:16:16 <jonty-comp> everything 10:16:22 <jonty-comp> TrueBrain: I broke some more stuff 10:16:35 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: not suprising me :) 10:16:40 <TrueBrain> every considered not touching anything? :p 10:16:44 <jonty-comp> nope :D 10:16:49 <jonty-comp> hey, it's all a learning curve 10:16:52 <TrueBrain> what did you do this time? :) 10:17:01 <jonty-comp> computer wouldn't log on 10:17:15 <jonty-comp> uninstalled AVG, installed Comodo and it's currently scanning 10:17:21 <jonty-comp> found 9 'threats' so far 10:17:35 <TrueBrain> wow .. you fucked up :p 10:17:44 <jonty-comp> no, AVG did! 10:17:49 * jonty-comp shifts blame 10:18:01 <jonty-comp> I also gave up on learning DNS twice so far this morning 10:18:36 <jonty-comp> as my friend's facebook status says, 'if at first you don't succeed, quit and destroy all evidence of any previous attempts' 10:18:48 <dihedral> jonty-comp, giving up on dns after looking at it for one day is pretty sad 10:19:02 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: sounds like a plan ;) 10:19:25 <jonty-comp> dihedral: but it was less than one day ;) 10:19:30 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.137] has joined #openttd 10:19:30 <jonty-comp> it was less than one hour 10:19:50 * jonty-comp seems to be taking over your #openttds, by the way 10:20:24 <|Japa|> yay! finally found a use for my overheating HDD 10:20:34 <petern> paperweight? 10:20:46 <glx> room heating? 10:21:24 <jonty-comp> stress relief 10:21:28 <dihedral> jonty-comp, to be honest, if you give up that early - it's your own stupid - silly fault! 10:21:53 <jonty-comp> I wholeheartedly agree 10:22:03 <jonty-comp> is it still bad if I give up in order to play ottd instead? 10:22:17 <|Japa|> I stuck a cold pizza on it, ant started a defrag 10:22:20 <|Japa|> now I wait 10:23:48 <dihedral> no - it's just annoying if you gonna give up on stuff that fast to start going on about it 10:24:55 <|Japa|> I finally got SVN working 10:24:55 * jonty-comp shall shut up then 10:25:10 <|Japa|> now to sucessfully compile for the first time 10:25:46 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:10 <petern> ipv6 routing tables are... ugly :/ 10:32:51 <TrueBrain> petern: did RIPE finally replied? 10:32:59 <petern> no 10:33:06 <TrueBrain> :( 10:34:00 <petern> i have some FD03 addresses set up 10:34:28 <petern> well, FDxx 10:34:34 <petern> is private addresing 10:37:15 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 10:47:54 <TrueBrain> 10% of traffic was IPv6 yesterday; yet 2% of the hits were :p 10:49:34 <Ammler> because of the tests you make ;-) 10:49:42 <TrueBrain> I didn't touch it :p 10:50:12 <TrueBrain> that said ... the last few days (after the 0.7.0 release) we have 3000+ downloads a day of the game 10:50:40 <Gekz> I cant get ipv6 10:50:41 <Gekz> :< 10:50:41 <Ammler> hehe 10:50:53 <Gekz> my router doesnt even support it 10:50:54 <TrueBrain> @calc 66 / 3000 10:50:54 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.022 10:50:56 <TrueBrain> @calc 66 / 3000 * 100 10:50:56 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 2.2 10:50:58 <Gekz> and tunneling just isnt worth it 10:50:58 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:51:01 <TrueBrain> 2% of the people still downloaded 0.6.3 10:51:03 <dihedral> Rubidium, http://paste.openttd.org/181355 10:51:23 <dihedral> bad idea? 10:51:27 <Ammler> direct links :-( 10:51:28 <TrueBrain> 1 person downloaded NoAI ... lol :p 10:51:50 <dihedral> ^^ 10:52:30 <Ammler> that is why I redirect download hits to old grfpack versions to the grf wiki :-) 10:52:30 <gleeb> TrueBrain: Could be because that's the version in Ubuntu. 10:52:43 <TrueBrain> gleeb: I don't think they download windows binaries 10:52:46 <TrueBrain> but sure, it is possible :) 10:53:06 <gleeb> TrueBrain: I see. Check referrer? :P 10:53:21 <petern> one wouldn't expect ubuntu to rush out an update for a game 10:53:33 <petern> it's a quality tested product after all 10:53:36 <petern> (haha) 10:54:36 <TrueBrain> gleeb: access-logs are anonymized by now, including referer 10:54:43 <TrueBrain> we only keep 'counts' 10:55:01 <TrueBrain> IPs normally survive less than 48 hours 10:55:16 <petern> oh yeah 10:55:22 <petern> we have to keep logs now, heh 10:55:29 <petern> though we did anyway 10:55:32 <gleeb> TrueBrain: Well, use google to see who links to the landing page for 0.6.3 10:55:42 <TrueBrain> I refuse! :p 10:55:48 <TrueBrain> petern: logs .. what are they? :p 10:55:53 <TrueBrain> I need the diskspace!! :p 10:56:11 <petern> yeah, for logs :D 10:57:53 <jonty-comp> openDNS gets updated records extremely quickly :o 10:58:20 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: depends on the TTL :p 10:58:36 <jonty-comp> well, I believe it's all set to 1 hour 10:58:40 <jonty-comp> but it propagated in minutes 10:58:50 <TrueBrain> new records, sure 10:58:56 <TrueBrain> non-requested records, sure 10:58:59 <TrueBrain> existing records: 1 hour :p 10:59:01 <jonty-comp> nope, changed nameservers 10:59:15 * jonty-comp is using the GoDaddy DNS contol panel! :D 10:59:17 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9fdd.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:59:45 <jonty-comp> I figure if I work out how to use a gui first, then it's a stepping stone towards doing it properly 11:01:09 <TrueBrain> either a server here sends morse of TOM or ESI :p 11:01:16 <TrueBrain> (not sure if they are meant to be long notes, or short :p) 11:01:47 <petern> fucking cocks 11:02:13 <JH> gah 11:02:20 <JH> used 2.8 mill to bribe a city 11:02:27 <petern> hahaha 11:02:29 <JH> and still not allowing me to build airport 11:03:00 <JH> stupid city 11:03:11 <gleeb> Trees 11:08:34 <glx> unless noise level is already at max 11:18:30 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-196.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:23:47 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I need to make a softraid install on a machine with only one disk (the other disk will join later) 11:24:01 <TrueBrain> fedora 10 doesn't let me .. (I don't want to install fedora!! :() 11:24:06 <dihedral> :-P 11:25:25 <TrueBrain> blegh .. 11:25:35 <TrueBrain> I hate installers which 'think' for you :( 11:30:10 <TrueBrain> so .. you rip out a drive of a random other server 11:30:16 <TrueBrain> push it in this .. do the install 11:30:19 <TrueBrain> rip it out again, and put it back 11:30:25 <TrueBrain> long live simplicity!!!! :s 11:31:08 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.137] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:15 *** Hendikins|SRA412 is now known as Hendikins 11:35:26 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 11:43:49 *** canidae [canidae@exent.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:25 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:54 <Forked> best. cake. ever. 11:49:03 <gleeb> Was it moise? 11:49:05 <gleeb> moist* 11:49:06 <Forked> http://tda.nu/random/runar.jpg 11:49:20 <Forked> one year+one day since our co worker was that drunk.. we celebrate with cake :p 11:49:29 <Forked> (he doesn't smoke) 11:51:15 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.64] has joined #openttd 11:51:31 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-196.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.215.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:27 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.200] has joined #openttd 12:08:03 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@ppp121-122.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.215.144] has joined #openttd 12:09:15 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.200] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:40 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.200] has joined #openttd 12:17:56 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@124.189.1.158] has joined #openttd 12:19:08 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 12:19:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:04:59 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@92.22.72.211] has joined #openttd 13:05:38 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:58 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.64] has joined #openttd 13:12:05 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:32 <|Japa|> !kickmeforusingacommonirccommand 13:14:38 <|Japa|> ... 13:14:41 <|Japa|> !wiki 13:14:41 *** |Japa| was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 13:14:52 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.64] has joined #openttd 13:15:14 <welshdragon> lolfail 13:15:24 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227038055.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:10 <petern> "No allocations of this type have been made to your LIR" 13:16:12 <petern> well boo! 13:16:18 <petern> slow people :o 13:17:04 *** Patrick` [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:17:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v Patrick`] by ChanServ 13:17:16 <Patrick`> evening gents 13:17:36 <Patrick`> long time no see, is it still svn? you must be up to 15,000 or something 13:18:08 <TrueBrain> oh no, it is a Patrick` 13:18:51 <Patrick`> ooh ooh ooh 13:18:56 <Patrick`> non-ocean edge squares 13:19:03 <Patrick`> does that mean the map could wrap? 13:19:18 <petern> no 13:19:55 <Patrick`> aww. 13:20:01 <Patrick`> it's not realistic then *duck* 13:21:06 <petern> no just a lot of work, heh 13:21:19 <Belugas> can I just kick that guy?? 13:21:32 <TrueBrain> Belugas: no, you can not 13:21:36 <petern> thatguy: No such nick/channel 13:21:37 <petern> :/ 13:22:08 <Belugas> oh... I see... jsut because he's a patric(K), he's protected ! 13:22:11 <Belugas> BOOO!!!! 13:22:16 <TrueBrain> Belugas: MWHAHAHAHAHA 13:22:37 <petern> he's not just any old patric(K) 13:22:39 <petern> he's Patrick` 13:22:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051054224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:57 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:24:16 <Belugas> HE SAID THE R WORD!!! 13:24:19 <Belugas> This means WAR!~ 13:24:40 <petern> being realistic, realistically, it's just a word 13:24:59 <petern> it's unrealistic to expect realism 13:25:11 <petern> (therefore wrapped maps could work?) 13:26:40 <Patrick`> yeah 13:26:50 <Patrick`> it's perfectly realistic to want to build a map on a mobius strip 13:26:56 <Patrick`> or niven's ringworld 13:27:01 <petern> mobius map, eh? 13:27:12 <petern> that one might be a little tricky to implement 13:27:20 <Patrick`> Pffshaw 13:27:25 <petern> unless you just imagine the twist 13:27:32 <|Japa|> doughnut world 13:27:44 <Ammler> Belugas: do you have _that_ word in your highlight list? ;-) 13:28:18 <Belugas> not needed, believe me 13:28:34 <Ammler> :-) 13:31:30 <fonsinchen> The build system is somewhat broken ... I assume you know that it frequently misses some dependencies. Which files do I have to remove and regenerate when it says: 13:31:31 <fonsinchen> Error: No available language packs (invalid versions?) 13:31:54 <|Japa|> Why, Belugas, does the idea of a train simulator with all exact scales, both distance and time, making it impossible to both see you network, and individual trains, at once? 13:32:01 <|Japa|> can out anguisjh>? 13:32:05 <fonsinchen> and I don't want to do a full rebuild every time it does that ... 13:32:30 <|Japa|> ok, I messed that whole thing up 13:32:47 <|Japa|> I really should proof read my IRC postings 13:32:47 <Belugas> |Japa| : too long of a question. 13:32:51 <Belugas> confusion 13:32:53 <Ammler> fonsinchen: he, had the same today too, I ran make clean 13:33:09 <Belugas> the only thing i gather is : TRAIN SIMULATOR 13:33:13 <Belugas> OpenTTD is not one 13:33:14 <fonsinchen> yes, but it does that everytime I switch my git branches 13:33:19 <fonsinchen> and that's often 13:33:28 <fonsinchen> resulting in many full rebuilds 13:33:30 <Ammler> openttd(coop) ir more a traffic simulator 13:33:32 <fonsinchen> which annoys me 13:33:55 <Belugas> -simulator 13:34:04 <petern> it is not a simulator 13:34:16 <petern> and it bugs me that the debian package puts it under the simulation menu 13:34:19 <Forked> s/simulator/generator ? 13:34:35 <Ammler> suse has also strange category 13:34:44 <Belugas> a simulator means that it is intended to be a a representation of somehting, as close as possible 13:34:46 <petern> suse is just strange 13:34:51 <|Japa|> the gist of it was that a train game with realistic scales would make it impossible to see individual trains at the same time as being able to see enough of the network to be usefull 13:34:52 <fonsinchen> no 13:34:54 <petern> openbve is my train simulator 13:34:57 <petern> (it's pretty boring) 13:35:04 <petern> ((because it simulates a train)) 13:35:06 <fonsinchen> a simulation tries to highlight a part of something 13:35:07 <Ammler> Amusements/Games/Strategy/Turn Based 13:35:16 <fonsinchen> and that specific part as accurate as possible 13:35:27 <fonsinchen> but it deliberately ignores other aspects 13:35:35 <fonsinchen> otherwise it would be reality 13:35:39 <petern> fonsinchen, well then, ottd is not a simulator by that definition either :) 13:35:59 <Belugas> or if it is, it is a VERY weak simulator 13:36:02 <fonsinchen> a simulation game is somewhat like a simulation but not as strict 13:36:05 <fonsinchen> most at least 13:36:07 <Belugas> so weak that it has failed to its job 13:36:07 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:31 <|Japa|> Microsift train simulator: you ae a train driver, you can go forward, you can stop. 13:36:35 <|Japa|> HurraY! 13:36:36 <Ammler> "jam" simulator :-P 13:38:15 <Ammler> wasn't there a talk here (with patch?) about driving a train in openttd self? 13:38:37 <petern> in openttd self? 13:38:38 <petern> what? 13:38:43 <petern> you make no sense sometimes 13:38:45 <fonsinchen> real 1m35.731s 13:38:55 <|Japa|> you mean opening the trains window, and clicking on the bottom bar? 13:39:04 <fonsinchen> This is how much of my time the build system eats every time it messes up the dependencies 13:39:08 <Ammler> a little bit more 13:39:28 <fonsinchen> perhaps I should fix it ... 13:39:40 <Forked> Ammler: I seem to recall a patch doing something like that.. or at least talks about it. 13:39:55 <Ammler> with Brianetta 13:40:59 <Belugas> Ammler: some noob might have discussed that, i reckon. But... Hey.. Someone has not finished it, nor started, and WE do not asked him to do so, nor are interested 13:41:09 <Ammler> petern: more controlling about a train then just start/stop 13:41:28 <petern> what? 13:41:33 <Belugas> you are so freakingly strange 13:41:35 <petern> "in openttd self" still makes no sense 13:42:54 <Ammler> Belugas: ? 13:43:05 <Belugas> Ammler: ! 13:43:11 <Ammler> it was just a question :P 13:43:23 <Forked> petern: it's missing the word "it" 13:43:26 <Belugas> and it was just an answer :) 13:43:57 <petern> "in openttd itself" ? 13:44:25 <Forked> or the letters, yes something like that 13:44:42 <petern> but you should never assume with ammler 13:45:06 <petern> Belugas 13:45:18 <petern> i hooked up my keyboard into a kind of studio area :D 13:45:19 <Ammler> Belugas: I am pretty sure, there were devs involved in that talk 13:45:32 <petern> Ammler, i wrote it as a hack, no more 13:45:45 <petern> it was never going to go into the game 13:45:55 <petern> and never going to be network-safe 13:46:06 <|Japa|> seriously, tho, what is there to do, really? 13:46:15 <|Japa|> other than start and stop? 13:46:34 <|Japa|> and get off the strain, have a sammich, and get into the other engine? 13:46:42 <petern> power/brake regulator, heh 13:47:23 <petern> lol 13:47:26 <Ammler> petern: well, not every patch needs to go to trunk, who said that? :-) 13:47:28 <petern> i got a response from ripe 13:48:10 <Belugas> wonderfull peter :) Did it sounded better this way? and... is there someting to chew on? 13:49:27 <petern> er, well 13:49:35 <petern> it says, "you've not paid us this quarter" :s 13:50:18 <Belugas> [09:49] <Ammler> petern: well, not every patch needs to go to trunk, who said that? :-) <-- patchers often believe that 13:50:50 <planetmaker> then they need to patch their awareness :P 13:50:53 <petern> not every patch needs to be maintained :) 13:51:14 <planetmaker> and hello all :) 13:51:21 <petern> anyway, need rv, ship and plane control too :D 13:51:24 <petern> lhehe 13:51:27 <petern> no 13:53:59 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:55:32 <Ammler> well, that is why _i_ am happy about _my_ favorite paches going to trunk, so I can be sure, they will be maintained also if the patcher is gone. But why patchers should think that way, dunno. 13:55:46 <petern> well 13:55:48 <petern> not really 13:56:19 <petern> i was not in the least upset when darkvater rejected my diagonal rails under bridges patch 13:57:14 <|Japa|> well, there's something better now 13:57:52 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-127.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:59:19 <welshdragon> anybody here use lycos mail (uk)? 13:59:24 <welshdragon> (well, did) 14:00:44 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: disable makedepend, i.e. ./config --without-makedepend 14:00:52 <petern> oh 14:00:52 <petern> yes 14:00:54 <petern> i have ipv6 14:00:55 <petern> a /32 14:02:03 <petern> woot 14:04:44 <Swallow> What is the size and type of the {SETX ..} parameter? A signed byte? 14:04:59 <TrueBrain> petern: concratz :) 14:06:24 <mizipzor> whats the difference between {RAW_STRING} and {1:STRING}? (english.txt, for example) 14:06:40 <petern> STRING is a string ID 14:06:44 <petern> RAW_STRING is a char* 14:06:47 <Patrick`> so I can't find it on the wiki, but i know I've seen a page on it before 14:06:51 <petern> /is/references/ 14:06:58 <petern> s :o 14:07:00 <Patrick`> how does production up/down of a primary industry get determined 14:07:06 <mizipzor> petern: i see, what does the 1 do? the string id? i thought that was sent from code 14:07:11 <Patrick`> it's something to do with ratings and %transported 14:07:21 <Patrick`> and being too efficient makes the industry not producve 14:07:26 <Swallow> IIRC it's the param number 14:08:00 <petern> it's probably magic :D 14:09:28 <Patrick`> one of my primaries that I'm servicing poorly keeps increasing 14:09:34 <Patrick`> but all the others don't :( 14:15:54 <gleeb> Check the client list for 'Murphy' 14:18:22 <petern> like the murphy's, i'm not bitter 14:21:12 <gleeb> Haha 14:21:17 <gleeb> That's an old advert. 14:21:25 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:30 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm183.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:22:14 <Belugas> better then an old pervert 14:23:19 <gleeb> Depends on the advert. 14:24:22 <Belugas> does not depend on the pervert 14:28:44 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 14:36:01 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.72.211] has joined #openttd 14:37:27 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@92.22.72.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45:36 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm183.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:47:51 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:53:49 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:44 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 15:03:25 *** dvo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:03:25 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:02 <petern> and it's, hey babe 15:05:07 <petern> your supper's waiting for you 15:05:13 <TrueBrain> enjoy :) 15:05:28 <petern> it's been a long long time 15:05:30 <petern> (hasn't it) 15:08:41 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:08:41 *** dvo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:00 <petern> hand in hand 15:09:02 <petern> gland in gland 15:09:02 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 15:10:35 <petern> KILLING FOE FOR PEACE 15:10:39 <petern> BANG BANG BANG 15:10:41 <petern> BANG BANG BANG 15:10:47 <petern> AND THEY'RE GIVING ME A WONDERFUL POTION 15:10:52 <petern> COS I CANNOT CONTAIN MY EMOTION 15:11:50 <phidah> is there a way to close all open windows? 15:11:59 <petern> press delete 15:16:56 <Ammler> :-) 15:20:14 <SmatZ> the more powerful version of "delete" is "shift+delete" 15:23:14 <petern> ctrl-alt-delete :D 15:23:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:24:00 <SmatZ> :o) 15:24:19 <SmatZ> that's one of those "hardcore" ways 15:24:21 <Rubidium> ctrl-alt-backspace 15:24:49 *** octo [octo@if-loop.org] has joined #openttd 15:26:14 <Belugas> in good old days, Ctrl+Alt+Del was a bit more effective than now 15:26:31 <glx> it's effective enough ;) 15:28:55 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-127.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: No power, guh.] 15:54:40 <welshdragon> we used to do CTRL+ALT+DEL in school, used to lose all our work 15:55:41 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:57:33 <petern> heh, ipv6 rdns is "fun" 15:58:37 <jonty-comp> no it isn't, I spent half the morning trying to get it to work 15:59:42 *** EoD [~EoD@derbian.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has joined #openttd 15:59:47 <petern> 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.1.0.0.e.d.c.b.a.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa 15:59:47 <EoD> hi 15:59:53 <petern> EoD, i got it :D 15:59:57 <petern> (but not that one) 16:00:25 <EoD> you have now native IPv6 support? :-o 16:00:30 <petern> no 16:00:39 <petern> i now have native IPv6 address allocation 16:00:43 <petern> setting it up is yet to come 16:00:53 <EoD> ah, ok. 16:01:03 <fonsinchen> Is there a reason GetSettingDescription is static? I'd like to use it like this: http://paste.openttd.org/181357 16:01:08 <EoD> But allocation is the right step into the right direction :) 16:01:11 <fonsinchen> (I know this is sick) 16:01:26 * jonty-comp has a /64 assigned to his tunnel, but not much to do with it 16:01:34 <EoD> ^^ 16:01:46 <petern> just what do i do with 7.9*10^28 addresses? 16:01:47 <jonty-comp> it's nice to know I have the addresses all to myself though :P 16:01:55 <phidah> is it possible to convert a train from one type to another... e.g. from monorail to maglev -without recreating the train? 16:02:03 <planetmaker> no 16:03:50 <EoD> petern: Get "a lot" of clients :) 16:04:04 <petern> hehe 16:04:06 <petern> right 16:04:21 <petern> i can send off my rdns delegation object 16:05:23 <EoD> you could offer native ipv6 mobile support if you have too much addresses lef t;) 16:06:16 <jonty-comp> hmm, 5013787368800924115024 addresses per person on earth 16:06:35 <jonty-comp> or so my calculator + website estimating world population says 16:06:47 <jonty-comp> I call 25 years before we run out again 16:07:01 <petern> yeah, one day the /64 thing might have to go 16:07:18 <petern> we'll be going "omg, did we really give away a whole /64 to a subnet?" 16:07:32 <jonty-comp> that's only 18446744073709551616 addresses! 16:07:33 <EoD> lol 16:07:45 <gleeb> Oh, that all? 16:08:07 <petern> hmm, iirc you can set up delegation if the zone is not served... 16:08:10 <jonty-comp> unless I pressed the wrong button 16:08:12 <petern> i better do that first :p 16:08:18 <jonty-comp> which I frequently do 16:08:45 <EoD> petern: https://www.sixxs.net/wiki/IPv6_Enabled_Service_Providers - you could add yourself here 16:08:45 <petern> jonty-comp, btw, you know you can't set up rdns unless you're delegated for it, right? 16:08:53 <jonty-comp> yes 16:09:16 <jonty-comp> but apparently the people at freenet6 let you do that kind of thing 16:09:22 <jonty-comp> other people seem to have done it, anyway 16:09:23 <EoD> sixxs, too 16:09:58 <petern> fine 16:10:09 <petern> i guess it's easier to pass delegation on with ipv6 16:10:10 <jonty-comp> I've temporarily given up on working out the entire DNS thing manually and delegated ipv6.jontysewell.net to freedns 16:10:38 <jonty-comp> at the moment pc.ipv6.jontysewell.net resolves to something, but I'm not sure what. 16:11:30 <petern> heh 16:12:50 <EoD> i have my own zonefile for *eod.xmw.de... Why don't you want to do it manually? 16:13:00 <jonty-comp> because I don't know how to :p 16:13:18 <petern> have you installed a nameserver? :p 16:13:22 <jonty-comp> if I can learn what all the terms mean via an interface first, then using a resolv.conf will be somewhat easier 16:14:11 <jonty-comp> at the moment I have no idea what things like "in.arpa" and "AAAA" mean :p 16:14:14 <petern> well resolv.conf is nothing to do wtih dns 16:14:18 <petern> er, dns serving 16:14:22 * EoD is running bind... 16:14:23 <jonty-comp> see 16:14:29 <jonty-comp> this is how much I know 16:14:34 <petern> EoD, as is anyone sensible 16:14:45 <jonty-comp> bind uses up too much ram on my vps :( 16:14:58 <petern> only if you set it up wrong 16:15:04 <petern> djb's stuff is small, but... 16:15:18 <jonty-comp> I haven't set it up at all! 16:15:23 <jonty-comp> I just installed it, and it ate 100MB. 16:15:56 <petern> using 50MB for me 16:16:08 <petern> and that's set up with lots of domains and lots of queries 16:16:40 <EoD> how do i find out about the memory bind uses? 16:16:46 <EoD> ps? free? 16:16:54 <petern> ps 16:16:57 <petern> ps aux | grep bind 16:17:11 <jonty-comp> EoD: you run htop, look at how much RAM is in use, then start bind and see how much the usage bar goes up :P 16:17:13 <petern> 6th column 16:17:19 <EoD> it's in percents. I'm not good at maths! 16:17:30 <petern> RSS = memory used 16:17:42 <jonty-comp> RSS = really simple syndication! 16:17:45 * jonty-comp will go now. 16:17:54 <petern> resident set size 16:18:02 <petern> although you won't see that with grep :D 16:18:19 <EoD> 0.1%. I have 1.5GB of ram 16:18:25 <petern> 6th column 16:18:39 <EoD> 872 16:18:44 <EoD> no, that's too muh 16:18:50 <EoD> 1928 16:19:03 <petern> bind 2079 2.7 5.1 81184 53052 ? Ssl Feb22 1696:24 /usr/sbin/named -u bind 16:19:35 <petern> so 53052 KB for me 16:20:09 <EoD> so it uses <2MB here? 16:20:31 <petern> possible 16:20:32 <petern> does it cache? 16:20:41 <EoD> no, i don't think so 16:20:46 <petern> could easily do then 16:20:57 <petern> s/do/be/ 16:21:21 <petern> hmm, need to work my magic on the database 16:21:38 <jonty-comp> well, on my htop there are 8 processes taking 14400KB each 16:22:17 <EoD> named 4122 0.0 0.1 10504 1928 ? Ss Mar31 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u named -n 1 16:22:33 <EoD> 8 bind-processes? 16:24:03 <jonty-comp> ps only lists one 16:24:12 <jonty-comp> I don't know, maybe htop lies 16:24:12 <EoD> here, too 16:25:05 <jonty-comp> by the way petern, I turned off the loudness buttan on my amp and it sounds better! 16:25:32 <petern> ps doesn't show threads 16:25:39 <jonty-comp> ah, threads 16:27:13 <petern> -T does 16:27:20 <petern> i've got 4 threads 16:27:39 <petern> btw, that 14400KB is shared between them 16:27:47 <petern> so it's not > 100MB at all 16:29:28 <jonty-comp> odd 16:29:35 <jonty-comp> the memory usage indicator goes up by about that much 16:30:21 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:31:39 <petern> green or blue bar? 16:31:47 <jonty-comp> green 16:32:01 <jonty-comp> "Peter's 0.7.0 UKRS Clients: 0/255" 16:32:03 <jonty-comp> :O 16:32:06 <petern> hmm 16:32:09 <petern> actually 16:32:18 <petern> htop devides the size by the number of threads 16:32:25 <petern> so if htop says 14400KB each, it is 16:32:29 <petern> (res) 16:32:36 <jonty-comp> oh, I don't know/care :P 16:32:44 <petern> oh 16:32:46 <petern> actually it doesn't 16:32:50 <petern> i was reading the wrong thing 16:33:03 <jonty-comp> I have 128MB guaranteed RAM to play with, and up to 384MB considering there isn't 8GB worth of VPSes yet 16:33:13 <EoD> so jonty, you will set up your own DNS server again? :) 16:33:18 <jonty-comp> perhaps 16:33:20 <petern> meh, need to write sql scripts 16:33:26 <jonty-comp> but perhaps not 16:33:28 <petern> as all my ip allocations are databaseised 16:33:38 <petern> i do not fiddle with zone files, thank you very much :D 16:33:43 <jonty-comp> I have eventually begun to realise why people go on university courses for this kind of thing 16:33:47 <jonty-comp> :p 16:34:00 <petern> what? 16:34:17 <jonty-comp> well, you can do 'computer networking' at university 16:34:38 <petern> lame 16:34:52 <EoD> lol 16:35:02 <petern> computer stuff used to be about theories, algorithms and processes 16:35:21 <petern> not "how to start MS Word" 16:37:15 <EoD> at our computing centre there are courses that teach something like "How to start MS Word" 16:37:32 <EoD> seriously 16:40:33 <EoD> this damn kernel compiles nearly 2h now... 16:43:45 <TinoDidriksen> Using all cores? 16:44:11 <EoD> using HT on one 3GHz core 16:44:25 <EoD> i'm using "make -j3" if you're asking 16:44:41 <EoD> *if that's what you mean 16:44:43 <TinoDidriksen> Indeed. 16:45:39 <TrueBrain> EoD: I hate you for showing me the SysRq table .. I forgot all about it .. and now I use it too often :p 16:45:49 <TrueBrain> today I rebooted the wrong machine (never put 2 keyboards really close to eachother :p) 16:46:22 <petern> lol 16:49:36 <EoD> TrueBrain: :-p 16:49:47 <EoD> "wrong machine" == "wrong server"? 16:49:58 <TrueBrain> a working station, so I couldn't care less 16:50:12 <TrueBrain> it was running an import of OpenTTD language files .. couldn't care even less 16:50:29 <EoD> You reboot with SysReq keys?? Why? 16:50:38 <TrueBrain> kernel debugging 16:50:44 <EoD> ah, ok 16:50:57 <TrueBrain> I ... well .. manage to fuck up machines really nice ;) 16:51:04 <TrueBrain> I even got an linux installer crashing today :) 16:51:13 <EoD> ?! what are you doing ? 16:51:22 <TrueBrain> I just wanted to do more than it let me! :p 16:51:40 <TrueBrain> nah, we received some new hardware, and our work-on-all-machines kernel needs a few new drivers 16:51:41 <TinoDidriksen> Why not try those "dangerous" things in a virtual machine first? 16:51:50 <TinoDidriksen> Ah 16:51:50 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has quit [Quit: quit] 16:51:51 <TrueBrain> because virtual machines don't need new drivers :p 16:52:18 <TrueBrain> and well .. having a 2.6.22 kernel and the need for a 2.6.26 driver ... doesn't always mix as you might hope :p 16:52:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c09b8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:10 <EoD> we are using 2.6.29 here, because some people are using btrfs 16:53:25 <EoD> you should upgrade to 2.6.29 ;) 16:53:32 <TrueBrain> can't; kernel patches 16:53:58 <EoD> your own kernel patches? 16:54:08 <TrueBrain> only driver updates :p 16:54:49 <EoD> they dropped the support for your drivers in >2.6.26?! 16:55:40 <TrueBrain> no; I need drivers that are in 2.6.26, but not in any stable form in .22 :p 16:57:09 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: still using 2.6.22? 16:57:34 <EoD> so they are probably also in 2.6.29, why don't just skip 2.6.26? 16:58:02 <TrueBrain> EoD: and skip .27 and .28 too? Wow .. that goes WAY too fast! (sarcasm :p) 16:58:10 <SmatZ> 2.6.27 was announced as another "to be supported for long time" kernel 16:58:23 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 16:58:34 <EoD> .28 has ext4 support! and .29 has (exp) btrfs support! 16:58:37 <TrueBrain> it takes time to install new kernels; you can't just update in production 16:58:49 <TrueBrain> I won't use ext4 for the new few months at least 16:58:57 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:11 <TrueBrain> ext3 and xfs here 16:59:17 <EoD> hm, ok 16:59:44 <EoD> you are too "stable"! 16:59:57 <TrueBrain> no, I want to keep thousands of customers happy :) 17:00:01 <TrueBrain> there is a difference ;) 17:00:16 <TrueBrain> "why is my domain offline?" - "sorry, we did a kernel update because EoD said we should!" :p 17:00:17 * petern ponders 17:00:20 <petern> heheh 17:00:29 <EoD> TrueBrain: Sounds good to me ;) 17:00:33 <petern> i ought to upgrade my backend database system, it's running sarge :o 17:00:33 <SmatZ> :) 17:00:38 <SmatZ> hehe 17:00:53 <TrueBrain> petern: it might be a good idea :p 17:01:04 <TrueBrain> install a new machine, and copy over the data :p I like that method more and more .... 17:01:20 <TrueBrain> btw, EoD, we are switching to ESXi in general, so soon kernel-updates are no longer our problem :p 17:01:23 <TinoDidriksen> rsync ftw... 17:01:24 <EoD> our server is running on lenny 17:01:35 <TrueBrain> openttd.org runs lenny too 17:01:39 <petern> ah, server, heh 17:01:43 <petern> my servers run on ... well 17:01:45 <petern> shit 17:01:50 <TrueBrain> petern: efficient :) 17:02:53 <EoD> :-D 17:03:24 <planetmaker> petern: that'd be amazing :P 17:03:50 <SmatZ> :-D 17:04:27 <SmatZ> you are so green, petern 17:05:08 <TrueBrain> and EoD, I am one of the lesser 'stable' persons :p Once a customer called, one of their switched kept on shutting down and rebooting, giving errors all over the network. I go down there, and after a few checks it turns out that it is a packet that is bouncing up and down between switches (a bug in old Cisco switches), causing switches to fail. Well .. my collegue starts to work out a plan to solve the issue. I just walk to the power switchboard, flip 17:05:10 <TrueBrain> the switch, wait, flip it back, and walk out 10 minutes later :p So much for 'stable' :p 17:05:59 <EoD> :-D 17:06:31 <Belugas> that's my kind of bug fixing :D 17:06:50 <TrueBrain> the bug only appears after 3 years of uptime of a switch 17:06:57 <TrueBrain> well .. that is easier to fix than flashing the switch :p 17:08:05 <gleeb> TrueBrain: Lower cost, I'd imagine. 17:08:29 <TrueBrain> gleeb: less chance of the 'new firmware' giving other problems :p 17:09:19 <TrueBrain> "If it aint broken, don't fix it" 17:09:22 <gleeb> TrueBrain: or hardware death ;) 17:09:45 <gleeb> Sending a tech to powercycles one every three years is cheaper than a dead switch 17:10:07 <TrueBrain> I am not the kind of person which runs /etc/init.d/lighttpd graceful|reload .... I use 'restart' :p (as you might hav enoticed on openttd.org :p) 17:10:17 <TrueBrain> gleeb: well, switces get replaced every 5 years anyway :p 17:10:31 <gleeb> Well, there you go :P 17:10:52 <TrueBrain> haha: I once replaced the PowerSupplyUnit of a switch with a 486 PSU :p Made the switch work for an other 2 years :) 17:10:56 <TrueBrain> those good old days .... 17:12:23 <TrueBrain> anyway .. any one feels up for designing WT3? :s 17:14:37 *** EoD [~EoD@derbian.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:11 <gleeb> WT3? 17:19:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 17:19:30 <petern> yay, dns script works :D 17:28:39 <petern> delegation sent off 17:28:44 <petern> wonder if my gpg still works, heh 17:32:56 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:4ca0:4f03:1:224:8cff:fe3e:73a0] has joined #openttd 17:33:42 <EoD> hmm.... TrueBrain, did you stop my Xserver again? 17:35:11 <TrueBrain> EoD: yeah, sorry about that 17:35:13 <TrueBrain> I just had to 17:35:14 <TrueBrain> it is so easy 17:35:23 <TrueBrain> petern: concratz 17:35:28 <TrueBrain> gleeb: WT3, as in WT2++ 17:35:49 <petern> concratz :/ 17:36:23 <gleeb> I dunna what a WC2 is 17:36:33 <TrueBrain> not long here, have you? :) 17:36:34 * Rubidium is tempted to roll on the floor 17:36:34 <EoD> TrueBrain: Yeah, it's ok. 17:36:49 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: only if you are laughing :) 17:37:08 * EoD knows what "wc" is... 17:37:24 <Prof_Frink> It's a manufacturer of climbing gear. 17:37:27 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I need to visit one 17:37:36 <TrueBrain> not the one Prof_Frink is refering to :p 17:39:03 <petern> done 17:39:25 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:27 <petern> allegedly 17:40:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15964 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:40:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-06 17:40:13 17:40:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 36 fixed by burgerd (36) 17:40:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 2 fixed, 6 changed by SmatZ (8) 17:40:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed by habell (1) 17:40:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 111 fixed, 5 changed by kristjans (116) 17:40:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 fixed by jpx_ (2) 17:41:19 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [] 17:42:38 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: AdiaÅ.] 17:47:01 <EoD> What would you say: stable Gentoo or testing Debian for some office computer? 17:47:22 <TinoDidriksen> Ubuntu 17:47:25 <lolman> EoD: neither, Ubuntu 17:47:27 <EoD> lol - no sorry 17:47:50 <TinoDidriksen> For office workstations, definitely. 17:48:03 <EoD> Then i could install windows, too 17:48:30 <Prof_Frink> Gentoo on an office workstation? That would just prove the theory correct. 17:48:33 <TinoDidriksen> Why the dislike for Ubuntu? It "just works" and is easier for the actual user. 17:49:03 <EoD> i'm the admin, and imho ubuntu isn't easier than gentoo/debian 17:49:17 <lolman> EoD: what about updates? 17:49:20 <Prof_Frink> A bus station is where buses stop. A train station is where trains stop. A workstation... 17:49:49 <TinoDidriksen> In your opinion. In the opinion of the average grunt office worker, I highly doubt Debian is easier to use than Ubuntu. 17:50:01 <lolman> Gentoo? The entire set of machines goes down while it updates for about a week. Debian? Updates too often if you use testing. Ubuntu? Just right. 17:50:02 <Prof_Frink> EoD: I'd go one step further. Ubuntu LTS. 17:51:14 <Sacro> Arch? 17:51:18 <EoD> lolman: We have Phenom II 920er around here. Updates don't take that long and they are usually at night (where noone is at the office). Debian updates take about 5mins if you update every week 17:51:21 <Prof_Frink> Quiet, you. 17:51:24 <Sacro> None of this new version crap 17:51:40 <Sacro> <3 rolling release 17:52:00 <lolman> I'm gonna have to agree with Ubuntu LTS for production machines 17:52:18 <EoD> x86_64 (amd64/EM64T) 17:52:46 <EoD> two amd64 machines and two EM64T machines 17:55:04 <EoD> Compiling openttd: Real 45s 17:56:00 <lolman> EoD: I stil say Ubuntu 17:56:06 <lolman> still* 17:56:36 <EoD> What's the advantage of having Ubuntu? 17:57:07 <lolman> Stability? 17:57:29 <Prof_Frink> Ubunticity. 17:57:54 <Sacro> bloat 17:58:12 <TinoDidriksen> The interface is much improved over other distros. Mortal people can actually find things in the menus. 17:59:04 <TinoDidriksen> And it's based on Debian, so you get the best of both worlds. Easy to admin, easy to use. 17:59:17 <Sacro> bloat :( crappy package manager 17:59:23 <lolman> Sacro: actually, Arch packages have more in them than Ubuntu ones (headers and whatnot) 17:59:33 <Sacro> lolman: i meant application bloa 17:59:35 <Sacro> *bloat 17:59:40 <Sacro> You can strip headers 17:59:52 <lolman> By default they're not :P 17:59:54 <EoD> You say that ubuntu is more stable than gentoo? ;) 17:59:58 <lolman> EoD: yes. 17:59:59 <EoD> And the "menu" actually depends on the desktop manager you use. 18:00:06 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:00:31 <lolman> EoD: speed does not equal stability. 18:00:37 <Rubidium> does tty qualify as a desktop manager? 18:00:43 <EoD> yes! 18:00:55 <TinoDidriksen> Sure it depends. But Ubuntu has improved it vastly. Default Gnome is a mess compared to Ubuntu's Gnome. 18:01:01 <EoD> Rubidium: actually i think so ;) 18:01:05 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: You know that Ubuntu Server comes with a window manager now? 18:01:15 <EoD> Actually we usually use LXDE. 18:01:42 <TinoDidriksen> Servers do not need a window manager beyond Xvfb ... 18:01:43 <EoD> (LXDE is a desktop manager) 18:01:51 <petern> Xvfb? 18:01:59 <Prof_Frink> TinoDidriksen: screen. 18:02:02 <petern> LXDE on a server? 18:02:04 <petern> wtf 18:02:10 <EoD> no! LXDE on a workstation 18:02:10 <petern> a channel of jokers 18:02:13 <TinoDidriksen> Virtual framebuffer. Useful for running apps that require X but don't want to run a full X. 18:02:19 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:21 <EoD> no x-server on a server! Please! 18:02:40 <Prof_Frink> But it says "server" in it! 18:02:41 <TinoDidriksen> OpenOffice used to require X, so Xvfb was the only way to daemonize it. Now it has -headless, though. 18:03:22 <petern> running openoffice on a server seem pretty specialised, heh 18:03:43 <TinoDidriksen> Indeed...converting between formats. 18:03:59 <EoD> What kind of server are we talking about? 18:04:12 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:16 <EoD> My server runs apache, bind, aiccu, dhcp,samba and such things... 18:05:30 <TrueBrain> EoD: bad bad bad choice of software (most of them) 18:05:53 <EoD> I forgot radvd 18:06:23 <EoD> TrueBrain: What do you prefer? ;) 18:06:23 <TinoDidriksen> Apache + mpm_itk = Mmmm goodness... 18:06:55 <jonty-comp> lighttpd! 18:07:13 <TinoDidriksen> Can lighttpd run each vhost as a seperate user ? 18:07:20 <jonty-comp> I dunno, I've never tried 18:07:24 <jonty-comp> quite possibly 18:07:26 <TrueBrain> EoD: in ordeR: lighttpd, powerdns, don'tknowthissoftware, static, NFS 18:07:42 <TinoDidriksen> aiccu is ipv6 18:08:05 <EoD> i'm using NFS, too... But there are windows-users around, that's why i have to use samba (for printing and filesharing) 18:08:36 <TrueBrain> anyway, 'dhcp' is not software :p 18:08:45 <TrueBrain> udhcp or dhcpd are on the other hand ... ;) :p 18:08:56 <EoD> +d 18:09:53 <EoD> dhcpd is just fine 18:10:40 <petern> pom te pom 18:10:48 <jonty-comp> tom pe tom 18:10:55 * petern ponders allocating a /64 for each customer box 18:11:19 <petern> well, each separate customer 18:11:59 <jonty-comp> each computer on the network 18:14:12 <frosch123> there should be a /96 for every current ipv4 user 18:14:24 <TrueBrain> isn't there? :p 18:22:14 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:25 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 18:22:31 <Muxy> Hi openttd world ! 18:22:45 <EoD> Hi! 18:23:21 <Muxy> i have a segmentation error when restarting a server with a rcon. Can someone else confirm this ? 18:23:40 <EoD> which version? 18:23:45 <Muxy> last stable 0. 18:23:50 <Muxy> 0.7.0 18:24:10 <Muxy> i did not check vcs about that 18:24:20 <Muxy> for updates 18:25:03 <Muxy> with a restart from console it works, and from a client with rcon, it crashes 18:29:24 <EoD> it doesn't crash on my server 18:30:02 <Muxy> restart with a client issuing a rcon restart ? 18:30:22 <EoD> yes 18:30:27 <Muxy> hum strange 18:30:50 <Muxy> ok, i start a debug session... 18:42:35 <petern> a newgame with clients connected breaks the server 18:42:47 <petern> so you need to restart it 18:43:00 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: AdiaÅ.] 18:43:22 <petern> unless that was fixed 18:43:23 <petern> i dunno 18:48:46 <TrueBrain> you should!! 18:49:17 <TrueBrain> I don't relal yknow why, but I felt like saying that 18:49:59 <TrueBrain> " 18:50:01 <TrueBrain> Guys - do your women always want more and more sex from you? If not - 18:50:02 <TrueBrain> you could be in trouble 18:50:04 <TrueBrain> " 18:50:05 <TrueBrain> I hate spam ... 18:53:12 <Muxy> ah, ok 18:53:54 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:55:14 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:40 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:13 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:02:23 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:33 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:04:59 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:08:10 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:09 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 19:14:47 *** phidah [~phidah@90.184.164.224] has joined #openttd 19:17:31 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 19:19:23 <EoD> rebooting 19:20:19 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:4ca0:4f03:1:224:8cff:fe3e:73a0] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Iceweasel 3.0.7/2009030814]] 19:24:48 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 19:25:45 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:46 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84.105.53.146] has joined #openttd 19:31:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:31:49 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0E75C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:32 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:4ca0:4f03:1:224:8cff:fe3e:73a0] has joined #openttd 19:38:11 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm183.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: E:<] 19:41:01 *** Black-men [~balck2604@213.234.205.46] has joined #openttd 19:41:11 <Black-men> Who from you understands on Russki? 19:42:34 <EoD> hi blackmen 19:42:50 <Black-men> EoD hi 19:43:27 <Black-men> you in germani? 19:44:15 <EoD> i'm from germany, yeah 19:44:19 <Black-men> :) 19:44:30 <EoD> do you have already utf8? 19:45:07 <Black-men> no 19:45:32 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:45:34 <Black-men> Where to get? 19:47:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.197.192] has joined #openttd 19:47:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.215.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:34 <EoD> firefox and https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16 for example 19:47:46 <Black-men> sps 19:50:30 <TrueBrain> bah, FireFox is giving me all kinds of #text nodes inside XML data .. no idea where it comes from :( 19:50:32 <frosch123> is that an abbreviation of ÑпаÑОба (spelling - no idea) ? 19:50:55 <TrueBrain> and google doesn't like searching for #text :( 19:51:45 <glx> frosch123: spelling is ok 19:51:53 <EoD> again reboot 19:52:01 <EoD> bye 19:52:03 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:4ca0:4f03:1:224:8cff:fe3e:73a0] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Iceweasel 3.0.7/2009030814]] 19:53:43 *** Black-men [~balck2604@213.234.205.46] has left #openttd [] 19:53:51 *** Black-men2 [~Black-men@213.234.205.46] has joined #openttd 19:54:35 <Black-men2> 043a0442043e 043d04380442044c 043f043e043d0438043c043004350442 043f043e 0440044304410441043a0438? 19:54:48 <TrueBrain> FAILURE! 19:54:58 <Black-men2> ? 19:55:05 <TrueBrain> besides, this is an ENGLISH speaking channel .. little room for UTF-8 talk 19:55:21 <Black-men2> 04420443043f043e0439 0430043b045104480430!!! 19:55:22 *** Black-men2 [~Black-men@213.234.205.46] has quit [] 19:55:31 <TrueBrain> at least the ! and ? work :p 19:55:48 <TrueBrain> oh, spaces too :) 19:57:20 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:01 <Forked> wth was that 19:59:06 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:25 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:59:48 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:45 <petern> hm 20:00:56 * petern configures ipv6 loopback addresses 20:01:06 <TrueBrain> petern is all into IPv6 :) 20:01:12 <TrueBrain> I hope LeaseWeb grants us the IPv6 soon too ... 20:03:06 <Prof_Frink> Stop wasting IPv6s! There's only... lots left! 20:04:12 <welshdragon> hehe 20:04:31 <frosch123> indeed, fear the aliens, if we cannot give them a /127 adress space 20:04:58 <TrueBrain> you want to give aliens 4 IPs? 20:05:04 <TrueBrain> you don't expect too many of them, do you? :p 20:05:45 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: If they only have 4 IPs they'll have trouble setting up a network for their invasion fleet. 20:05:51 <Prof_Frink> Cunning, see? 20:05:54 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 20:06:06 <frosch123> 4? then I did not understood that / stuff 20:06:23 <TrueBrain> I guess you want to give them a /1 ... 20:06:28 <TrueBrain> I think that is no longer possible :p 20:06:31 <TrueBrain> by design in fact ... 20:06:31 <Prof_Frink> Bigger number => fewer IPs 20:06:35 <frosch123> though I did not expect anything else 20:06:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-179-31.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:06:42 <TrueBrain> frosch123: it is the amount of bits from the left side that are FIXED 20:06:54 <TrueBrain> so /32 are the first 32 bits fixed 20:07:23 <TrueBrain> in IPv4 it is easier to see: /24 means first 24 bits, is first 3 bytes, is in A.B.C.D the A.B.C .. so the D is only free to be set by you 20:07:38 <TrueBrain> so with /127 you leave the last bit 'free to change' .. so only 2 IPs even :p 20:07:48 <frosch123> so if everyone gets a /32, nothing is won 20:08:00 <Forked> like the oh so commonly used /31 in ipv4-world 20:08:01 <TrueBrain> in IPv4 world, you always get a /32 (in worst case :p) 20:08:12 <Forked> or is /127 actually usable for point to point links? :p 20:08:13 <TrueBrain> every IP is a /32 :p 20:08:41 <TrueBrain> but if you get a /64 in IPv6 ... you can put all IPv4 in there, and do that 2^32 times :p 20:08:48 <petern> frosch123, loads is one 20:08:49 <Nite_Owl> The Aliens in the movie Independence Day never developed the concept of Anti-virus software? 20:08:49 <petern> er, won 20:08:50 <TrueBrain> (which should be .. well .. sufficient :)) 20:09:06 <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: why would they? :p 20:09:16 <petern> whole ISPs can be run off a /32 rather than... just a single host 20:09:23 <petern> end users don't get /32s 20:09:41 <TrueBrain> end users normally get /64 .. which leaves 2^32 customers per ISP :p 20:09:55 <TrueBrain> I don't know .... if we had 1 ISP for the whole world, there would be IPs left over :p 20:09:59 <Prof_Frink> But I have 5 billion computers! 20:10:17 <Forked> Prof_Frink: shit. you might have to start routing then =p 20:10:23 <TrueBrain> with a 'normal' IPv6 range you can give every IPv4 a whole IPv4 range :p 20:10:36 <petern> Prof_Frink only needs a /95 ! 20:10:39 <TrueBrain> (just to make my point here :p) 20:10:54 <Forked> well with washing machines soon being online (to be haxxored) .. 20:10:54 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(2, 32) 20:10:54 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 4294967296 20:10:54 <Nite_Owl> because they are a violent species that is usually under attack or is attacking 20:11:21 * Prof_Frink gives every byte of ram its own IP address 20:11:29 <petern> :o 20:11:31 <TrueBrain> Forked: lucky, IPv6 is auto-routed :p (well, it has that capability :p) 20:11:34 <SmatZ> :o) 20:11:40 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: useful, for remote storage :p 20:11:56 <Forked> TrueBrain: huh 20:12:41 <Forked> and here I was imagining manually setting an IP on a windows box.. "let's see subnet mask.. ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffe0:: 20:13:13 <TrueBrain> @base 16 2 e0 20:13:13 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 11100000 20:13:21 <TrueBrain> so /123 :p 20:13:28 <TrueBrain> no ... euh ... 20:13:33 <TrueBrain> so /115 :p 20:13:59 <petern> "CIDR" notation is always used with IPv6 20:14:27 * TrueBrain loves CIDR :) 20:14:35 <Prof_Frink> West country? 20:14:51 <TrueBrain> I always wondered what happens when you would ave a netmask of 255.255.0.255 20:14:56 <TrueBrain> but it never allows me to configure that :( 20:14:59 <petern> hehe 20:15:08 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: You should come to the Square and Compass. 20:15:17 <Prof_Frink> It has lots of CIDRs. 20:15:47 <TrueBrain> for now I am trying to understand why this XML DOM gives me tons of #text :( 20:15:49 <petern> heh, ssl hosting will be so much easier 20:15:51 <TrueBrain> it is ANNOYING :( 20:15:56 <TrueBrain> petern: ghehe :) 20:16:01 <petern> rather than worrying about allocating a range with enough IPs... 20:18:08 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:18:27 <petern> hmm, i guess i need to convince the powers that be to slowly upgrade routers 20:18:44 <petern> cos really a 2500 or a 4500 is a bit shit 20:18:54 <TrueBrain> why oh why does firefox fuck this up :( 20:19:02 <TrueBrain> poor petern :) 20:20:27 <petern> i'd guess 2801s would do fine 20:21:43 <Forked> TrueBrain: 255.255.0.255 doesn't make sense :\ 20:22:03 <TrueBrain> Forked: no shit :p 20:22:16 <petern> that was somewhat the point 20:22:16 <Forked> 0.0.0.255 though 20:22:38 <TrueBrain> makes even less sense 20:22:42 <Forked> depends on what it is 20:22:49 <petern> OS Provided Cisco IOS 20:22:49 <TrueBrain> we talk about netmask my friend 20:22:50 <petern> OS Required Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition 20:22:55 <petern> makes... no sense... 20:23:00 <TrueBrain> lol @ petern 20:23:11 <petern> cisco use reversed masks in acls 20:23:17 <petern> so 0.0.0.255 is valid 20:23:27 <Forked> I forgot what they are called :\ 20:23:27 <TrueBrain> that is an othe rkind of mask ;) 20:23:55 <Forked> wildcard it is 20:24:07 * Forked looked at his ccnp notes 20:25:26 <TrueBrain> I wish someone would sponsor me to get ccie :p 20:25:27 <TrueBrain> ghehehehe :) 20:25:47 <TrueBrain> oh .. I guess ccna would even do :p 20:25:51 <Forked> thats the one where you (if in europe) go to brÃŒssels or something to take somewhat extensive test? 20:25:59 <Forked> ccna == the one that gets the coffee 20:26:01 <TrueBrain> a few days ;) 20:26:10 <TrueBrain> Forked: yup .. still expensive :) 20:26:44 <Forked> I think my ccna is no longer valid.. I remember the test had quite alot of frame-relay, isdn and so on in it :\ 20:27:13 <petern> heh 20:27:25 <Forked> so it's outdated anyway :p 20:30:06 <TrueBrain> okay .. I need to write my own XMLRPC javascript ... I can only find ones that are too out-dated, so it seems :( 20:30:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D518.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:31:27 <petern> TrueBrain, could i interest you in some AUI transceivers? 20:32:00 <Forked> mmm 10Mbit 20:32:06 <TrueBrain> petern: no thank you :) 20:32:09 <TrueBrain> why do you have them?! :p 20:32:49 <TrueBrain> -T makes that pretty obsolete, is it not? :) 20:33:59 <Forked> MTU 1500 bytes, BW 5000000 Kbit, DLY 10 usec, 20:34:00 <Forked> Members in this channel: Gi3/1 Gi3/2 Gi3/3 Gi4/1 Gi4/2 20:34:13 <Forked> would be nice.. to run ipv6 on 20:34:31 <TrueBrain> ?! 20:34:54 <Forked> http://technet.gathering.org/?p=94 .. computer party in Norway, they are rigging up the core stuff now :p 20:35:21 <TrueBrain> the only change you might want to do is make the MTU 1480 .. kind of the 'default' for IPv6 transmission :p 20:35:39 <TrueBrain> (ghehehe) 20:36:42 <TrueBrain> http://87.76.255.7/ <- hehe 20:37:35 <Forked> yup.. 20:37:44 <Forked> it will be more interesting on wednesday night 20:38:05 <TrueBrain> # I see a red door 20:39:17 <TrueBrain> why? 20:39:30 <TrueBrain> (I hate people for saying something but not explaining .. like a comment floating in the air .. grr @ Forked :p) 20:39:43 <Nite_Owl> and I want to paint it black 20:40:10 <mizipzor> adding more engines to a vehicle makes it stronger? 20:40:57 <mizipzor> (same topspeed but better acceleration) 20:41:38 <TrueBrain> 2 engines are twice as deadly as one 20:41:41 <Nite_Owl> more Horsepower and more traction 20:41:42 <TrueBrain> well .. one is already deadly 20:41:45 <TrueBrain> but .. two is even more deadly 20:43:27 <Nite_Owl> sort of like a mutant snake 20:44:12 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:12 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 20:44:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 20:44:37 <petern> bah 20:44:42 <petern> vtp always gets me 20:44:50 * TrueBrain gniffels 20:45:00 <petern> switched my server to its own vlan 20:45:24 <TrueBrain> already been in London? 20:45:32 <petern> cept the vtp master appears to be, not the supervisor iv, but the 2950... 20:45:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c09b8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:39 <petern> not yet 20:45:41 <petern> :p 20:45:43 <petern> soon i hope 20:45:48 <TrueBrain> ;) 20:45:58 <petern> so i set up the vlan on the sup iv 20:46:10 <petern> but then i had to mess around trying to remember the details for the 2950 :/ 20:46:12 <petern> stupid vtp 20:56:16 <glx> TrueBrain: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-despres-6rd-02.txt <-- that's why I can have IPv6 ;) 20:59:22 <TrueBrain> glx: smart :) I don't see why all ISP don't do this .. 20:59:50 <glx> it's pseudo-native ;) 21:00:02 <TrueBrain> it is good enough till hardware is replaced 21:00:20 <TrueBrain> well .. assuming the ISP has a IPv6 native connectivity at some point :) 21:00:58 *** mensi [~mensi@zux221-218-118.adsl.green.ch] has joined #openttd 21:01:30 <TrueBrain> Also, while IPv6 availability was in december 2007 21:01:31 <TrueBrain> limited to only one IPv6 link per customer site (/64 site prefixes), 21:01:33 <TrueBrain> it was upgraded to up to 16 IPv6 links per customer site (/60 site 21:01:34 <TrueBrain> prefixes) when, a few months later, Free obtained a /28 prefix from 21:01:36 <TrueBrain> its regional Internet registry. (The /32 obtained initially was the 21:01:37 <TrueBrain> default value an ISP could be assigned without delay). 21:01:39 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 21:01:40 <TrueBrain> 16 IPv6s links ... how useful ? :p 21:02:04 <glx> for silly people wanting many subnets? 21:02:09 <TrueBrain> just why not enable it by default .... people don't understand such things :( 21:02:44 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:03:28 <petern> it's pretty dumb 21:03:52 <TrueBrain> so this RFC makes it sound like this ISP was oh so good ... they should just have enabled IPv6 by default 21:03:57 <TrueBrain> there is no harm in doing so 21:03:58 <petern> a /64 still allows subnetting, it just requires a little more knowledge setting it up 21:04:07 <petern> which, if you have multiple subnets, you have anyway 21:04:14 <TrueBrain> petern: the idea of /64 is that you can use your MAC address as last 64 bits 21:04:26 <TrueBrain> so having /60, allows you to still use that feature 21:04:30 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:51 <glx> so /60 allows you to have medion stuff ? 21:04:56 <TrueBrain> lol 21:04:59 <TrueBrain> no, not in that way :) 21:05:01 <petern> yes, but it's not actually necessary 21:05:17 <TrueBrain> glx: medion is easy solved: change hte mac yourself, or better: use static IPv6s :p 21:05:18 <TrueBrain> ghehe 21:05:40 <TrueBrain> no, the latter is not better ... 21:05:44 <TrueBrain> we just keep the first :) 21:06:05 <TrueBrain> glx: else you need to put every medion system on a different subnet .. sounds rather pointless :p 21:06:23 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 21:10:14 <petern> static is more work 21:10:25 <TrueBrain> painful work, I guess 21:10:31 <petern> but... necessary for vhosts 21:14:04 <Belugas> hoooops... 21:14:09 * Belugas runs home 21:14:09 <Belugas> night 21:14:20 <TrueBrain> night Belugas 21:14:24 <TrueBrain> for a moment I read: booops 21:14:25 <TrueBrain> but okay :p 21:15:36 <Forked> boobs.. 21:17:04 <Prof_Frink> Where? 21:17:19 <Forked> all over the internet I guess 21:17:33 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 21:17:55 <Prof_Frink> Forked: Well, you know what they say. 21:18:03 <Prof_Frink> The internet *is* for porn. 21:19:05 <Ammler> !info 21:19:12 <Ammler> ah, sorry 21:19:29 <Forked> I ran out of internet to surf on.. and now I'm bored 21:19:41 <TrueBrain> @kick Ammler you still getting the kick, even so glx doesn't do it :p 21:19:41 *** Ammler was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [you still getting the kick, even so glx doesn't do it :p] 21:20:06 <glx> let me update :) 21:20:21 <pavel1269> why is MSVS not generating .lng files propertly? .... as soon as i add some patch with some strings, not all are correct, dont know if they are compiled wrong, or it does simply dont compile them again => some languages not aviable ingame ... ideas? 21:20:23 <glx> I think DorpsGek should do it by itself 21:20:38 <TrueBrain> glx: maybe some day :) 21:20:45 <TrueBrain> I first have other projects to finish :) 21:21:34 <glx> it's in your supybot dir? 21:21:40 <TrueBrain> what is? 21:21:43 <glx> DorpsGek: 21:22:11 <TrueBrain> yup 21:22:24 <glx> I can take a look at it to see how to implement that :) 21:22:29 <TrueBrain> hard 21:22:33 <TrueBrain> as it only listens to @ commands 21:22:36 <TrueBrain> and ignores ALL OTHERS 21:22:55 <TrueBrain> but I have this plan to replace DorpsGek altogether 21:23:10 <Prof_Frink> What about !password? 21:23:12 <glx> there should be a way (there's always one) 21:27:08 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 21:27:47 <petern> um 21:27:56 <petern> i just press ctrl-alt-backspace accidentally :( 21:28:00 <TrueBrain> auch 21:28:02 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84.105.53.146] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 21:28:25 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:33 <TrueBrain> I guess Darkvater tried it too :p 21:28:39 <petern> lol 21:29:04 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:29:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 21:29:09 <TrueBrain> poor Darkvater 21:29:22 <petern> ah, fudging with /etc/sysctl.conf to disable ipv6 ra 21:29:23 <Prof_Frink> petern: YOu'll be pleased to know that Jaunty will have DontZap by default 21:29:33 <petern> it's useful sometimes though 21:29:49 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: how would that be a good thing? 21:29:59 <Prof_Frink> X needs an OnlyZapWhenIReallyMeanIt option 21:30:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227038055.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 21:30:16 <petern> TrueBrain, it's good because i don't use ubuntu 21:30:16 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: They've removed all bugs in X. 21:30:33 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: is alt+Ctrl+backspace a BUG?! 21:30:56 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: No, but as X has no bugs and never crashes, you don't need it any more. 21:31:01 <Prof_Frink> Simple, really. 21:31:10 <TrueBrain> I rarely need it because X is acting up :p 21:31:15 <TrueBrain> more like a giant BOSS key :p 21:31:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227038055.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:31:41 <TrueBrain> how to get the classname in javascript .. hmm .. 21:32:26 <petern> hmm, vserver does not support ipv6? that's a bummer :p 21:32:31 <TrueBrain> petern: 2.3 does 21:32:34 <TrueBrain> very well in fact 21:32:36 <TrueBrain> (openttd.org ;)) 21:32:46 <petern> how do i know what i'm using? :o 21:32:52 <TrueBrain> uname -a 21:32:55 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5B0D382E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:33:14 <petern> Linux games 2.6.26-1-vserver-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 21:04:35 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux 21:33:26 <TrueBrain> oh, lovely! :p 21:33:30 <TrueBrain> debian 21:34:42 <TrueBrain> anyway, petern, assuming you use lenny vserver kernel, it is IPv6 ready 21:34:46 <TrueBrain> (as that is what openttd runs :p) 21:34:50 <petern> i do 21:35:03 <TrueBrain> vserver-info | grep VS-API 21:35:10 <TrueBrain> 0x00020303 21:35:11 <TrueBrain> 2.3.3 21:35:18 <petern> yup 21:35:25 <petern> so... 21:35:40 <petern> At the time of this writing, IPv6 support in guests requires you to apply an additional patch on top of the Linux-VServer patch. 21:35:43 <petern> :/ 21:35:51 <TrueBrain> with 2.3 not true :) 21:35:57 <TrueBrain> but it is VERY poorly documented 21:36:03 <petern> http://linux-vserver.org/IPv6 21:36:03 <petern> yes 21:36:06 <TrueBrain> the only restriction: util-vserver 215 or higher 21:36:08 <petern> so what do i do? :( 21:36:15 <TrueBrain> it works :) 21:36:18 <TrueBrain> as I say: openttd.org has it 21:36:21 <petern> 0.30.216 21:36:23 <petern> great 21:36:23 <TrueBrain> so ... if you use the same kernel .. it works for you :) 21:36:26 <petern> HOW 21:36:32 <TrueBrain> just assign it like a IPv4 :p 21:36:39 <TrueBrain> that much sounds obvious :) 21:36:47 <TrueBrain> just not a 'mask' file but a 'prefix' file 21:36:51 <petern> :/ 21:37:03 <petern> /etc/vservers/games/interfaces/0/ip 21:37:08 <petern> and prefix 21:37:20 <TrueBrain> interfaces# cat 2/* 21:37:21 <TrueBrain> sixxs 21:37:23 <TrueBrain> 2001:1af8:fe00:f2::2 21:37:24 <TrueBrain> web 21:37:26 <TrueBrain> 64 21:37:27 <TrueBrain> # ls -1 2/ 21:37:29 <TrueBrain> dev 21:37:30 <TrueBrain> ip 21:37:32 <TrueBrain> name 21:37:33 <TrueBrain> nodev 21:37:35 <TrueBrain> prefix 21:37:36 <TrueBrain> ignore the 'nodev' 21:37:57 <TrueBrain> I have to say, didn't try it yet via 'vserver start/stop' 21:38:05 <TrueBrain> as .. that would mean .. shutting down openttd-web .. which means no web :p 21:38:17 <TrueBrain> I used naddress --add --ip <ipv6> --nid <vserver-id> 21:38:23 <TrueBrain> to add it (after adding it to the interface myself) 21:38:54 <petern> right 21:39:15 <petern> it is not clear that i needed to add another interfaces/x entry 21:39:26 <TrueBrain> as I say: the same as IPv4 .... 21:39:32 <TrueBrain> there you add a new entry for each new IP too ... 21:39:37 <TrueBrain> that much sounded obvious :p 21:40:46 <TrueBrain> regexp expert needed: text: 'function Array() { blabla } 21:40:48 <petern> not obvious 21:40:51 <TrueBrain> I need a regexp that keeps 'Array' 21:41:10 <TrueBrain> petern: each new IP needs it own dir :p That also means... if you want a /64 for a vserver, you need .... well ... a lot of dirs :p 21:41:16 <TrueBrain> they are 'working' on that ...... 21:43:04 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 21:44:04 <TrueBrain> ah, \( 21:44:07 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:04 <petern> hmm, wonder if i did my delegation right :o 21:47:30 <petern> oh, seems to 21:49:56 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 21:50:05 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 21:51:57 <glx> TrueBrain: you're right, it's very very hard to make DorpsGek handle !commands 21:52:13 <TrueBrain> :) 21:52:32 <TrueBrain> it was not that I hadn't looked ;) 21:53:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227038055.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 21:53:05 <glx> but it's always better to check by itself ;) 21:53:12 <TrueBrain> ;) 21:53:40 <TrueBrain> javascript infinite loop! WHOHO! 21:53:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227038055.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:54:04 <petern> nice 21:54:14 <glx> kill firefox :) 21:54:29 <petern> $ traceroute6 www.openttd.org 21:54:29 <petern> traceroute to www.openttd.org (2001:1af8:fe00:f2::2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 2a02:cb0:3:3::1 (2a02:cb0:3:3::1) 1.683 ms !N 1.898 ms !N 2.044 ms !N 21:54:33 <petern> hah! 21:54:45 <TrueBrain> !N ? 21:54:47 <petern> no route 21:54:51 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:54:53 <petern> because there's no route 21:54:54 <petern> od that 21:54:55 <petern> +d 21:54:59 <TrueBrain> ghehehe :) 21:55:37 <TrueBrain> slowly, my XMLRPC routine is getting there 21:56:09 <petern> hah 21:56:25 <petern> i cheated and totally ignored the XMLRPC bit of 'ajax' 21:56:27 * glx enabled ipv6 (need to reboot the box, will do tomorrow) 21:56:41 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:45 <TrueBrain> petern: euh ... how do you do that async? :p 21:57:05 <TrueBrain> well, you can just send data without using XML, yeah :p 21:57:06 <glx> box aka freebox aka modem 21:57:11 <TrueBrain> but I need to send over structs and arrays ;) 21:57:20 <TrueBrain> glx: do it before you switch your computer on ;) 21:57:28 <glx> yes :) 21:57:34 <glx> that's the plan 22:02:44 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9fdd.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:43 <welshdragon> hmm 22:17:47 <welshdragon> 1*1 22:18:10 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 22:18:12 <orudge> welshdragon: @calc 22:18:13 <orudge> iirc 22:18:32 <welshdragon> @calc 1*1 22:18:32 <DorpsGek> welshdragon: 1 22:19:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:02 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:05 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 22:36:45 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:29 <TrueBrain> okay, the basics work, but somehow it runs the XML tree one too many times ... need to find out why :p 22:44:30 <TrueBrain> night all! 22:49:43 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 22:50:02 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:14:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:11 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host217-42-3-111.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:30:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:36:21 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-176-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:28 <Belugas> that was NOT nice 23:40:37 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.61] has joined #openttd 23:41:07 <Belugas> a problem resulting on a third party giving me a new version of a library, forgetting to mention a crucial change 23:41:32 <Belugas> the parameter that was previously a pointer to a result structure now points to an input buffer! 23:41:47 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227038055.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:41:49 <Belugas> and of course, the format of that input bufer should not be divulgated either :S 23:41:56 <Belugas> FUCKHEADS!!! 23:43:16 <petern> not useful :/ 23:45:01 *** phidah [~phidah@90.184.164.224] has quit [Quit: phidah] 23:53:46 <Belugas> no indeed. but a call to the head programmer changed the situation right away. 23:54:31 <Belugas> lucky for me, when Adam (Head prog) last came in Montreal, I got him on a bar during lunch break and we got quite drunk 23:54:32 <Belugas> so... 23:54:36 <Belugas> buddies... 23:54:46 <Belugas> so... somebody goet yelled at big time 23:55:04 <Belugas> and now... TV time 23:56:17 <petern> enjoy