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05:32:12 <planetmaker> s/went/go/ 05:33:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:37:25 <Forked> it does not want to talk with me :\ 05:37:48 <Forked> connection refused 05:39:10 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-235-159.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:45:09 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-235-159.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:52:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.206] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:50 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 06:05:28 <petern> pom pom pom 06:05:50 <Xaroth> pompiedom 06:09:58 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-235-159.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:02 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:18:17 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-66-158.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 06:22:54 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 06:45:38 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:46:01 <el_en> bang bang bang 06:47:50 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:48:19 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:53:25 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53:43 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 06:58:23 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:47 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5B0D416B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:00:02 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 07:00:22 *** reldred [~richard@115.131.199.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:02:23 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:03:52 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 07:13:03 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:23:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C13F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:06 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 07:32:15 <dihedral> morning ladies 07:35:20 <SmatZ> hello dihedral 07:35:49 <dihedral> :-) 07:37:06 <dihedral> how are you sir? 07:37:50 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 07:38:22 <SmatZ> not bad :) 08:01:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe7c5.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:06:04 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46164.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:11:15 <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: only if a developer signs off on it 08:11:49 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 08:12:17 <fonsinchen> Ammler says he wants to do the same as with Infrastructure Sharing. 08:12:26 <fonsinchen> What do I have to do to achieve that? 08:12:53 <TrueBrain> you have 2 options: 1) if you want the binaries to be at binaries.openttd.org you need a developer to sign off on it 08:13:10 <TrueBrain> 2) if you want the binaries at an other location, you need a developer to sign off on it, and supply me with correct information to do the upload 08:13:52 <TrueBrain> I should make a webpage for this .. 08:14:04 <petern> if it goes to a remote location i have no issue with it 08:14:19 <fonsinchen> I have that page in your wiki 08:14:32 <fonsinchen> I can make my own, but it would be somewhat redundant. 08:14:41 <TrueBrain> I doubt we can put 130 MB of binaries on a wiki page 08:14:44 <TrueBrain> so I don't see the relation :) 08:14:57 <fonsinchen> Ammler says he'd host it somewhere 08:15:11 <fonsinchen> how do you do that with Infrastructure Sharing? 08:15:13 <TrueBrain> Amller says this, Ammler says that ... what are you .. a puppet?! 08:15:32 <fonsinchen> I don't care if you are hosting binaries of Cargodist 08:15:34 <TrueBrain> "Hello! I am Ammler but I talk through fonsinchen! BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID!" :p 08:15:51 <Forked> sock puppy? :) *goes back to idle land* 08:15:52 <fonsinchen> Well, you better take care of that among yourselves then ... 08:16:05 <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: no, it is YOUR job to take care of this 08:16:08 <TrueBrain> 100% :) 08:16:12 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16133 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Fix (r16129): who would've thought that the saveload system couldn't handle skipping strings on load yet? 08:16:26 <fonsinchen> Just to make it clear: the code is in my git repository, anyone can compile it and host it wherever they want. 08:16:54 <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: you have the two options I gave you above; You have one developer signing off on the second, so if you want that option, you need a place to get the files hosted 08:17:10 <TrueBrain> if you want the first option (wihch most likely gives slightly more publication), you need a dev to sign off on that 08:17:13 <TrueBrain> your job :) 08:17:42 <fonsinchen> I'm not going to mediate between you and Ammler TrueBrain. You can talk to each other yourselves. 08:18:06 <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: and I am not the mediate between you/Ammler and the developers. You can talk to them yourselves :) 08:18:31 <fonsinchen> So, then there are no binaries until someone is interested enough to provide them. 08:18:35 <fonsinchen> Simple as that. 08:18:50 * Rubidium feels someone is going to get kicked because of a desync error ;) 08:19:00 <TrueBrain> morning Rubidium :) 08:19:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: are you ill? Saying morning when it's still morning? 08:19:33 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72112.wireless.dtu.dk] has joined #openttd 08:19:44 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yeah .. and I am already awake for 2 hours ... sucks to be me :) 08:20:03 <dihedral> HAHA 08:20:14 <dihedral> just had a hosting company on the phone 08:20:26 <petern> oh aye? 08:20:26 <dihedral> they wanted 1Euro per 1GB traffic :-D 08:20:56 <dihedral> now if that is not over the top, then i dont know what is 08:21:17 <petern> a little 08:21:52 <petern> my 0.21 mbit/s 95%ile for ~ £2 would cost â¬13 08:22:12 <petern> and that's only half a month, heh 08:22:33 <TrueBrain> I can get 1 mbit/sec for 15 euro .. 300 / 15 ... 20 GB for an euro ... lol :) 08:23:28 <petern> one of our suppliers charges us £150 per mbit/s per month 08:23:31 <petern> every month 08:23:38 <petern> and every month they give us a credit note 08:23:43 <petern> idiots 08:25:44 <dihedral> lol 08:25:45 <petern> our main transit is £9 per mbit/s per month 08:25:59 <dihedral> i would not mind such an offer 08:26:05 <petern> (we're too small to do public peering) 08:26:09 <dihedral> :-( 08:26:25 <dihedral> i just want a decent box that'll run esx-i 08:26:37 <petern> peering exchanges are not cheap, despite being non-profit, generally. 08:26:55 <petern> if you do a lot of traffic it's cheaper than transit 08:27:00 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:27:01 <dihedral> oh - the company wanted more than 100Euros / month just for 1U + power 08:27:26 <petern> power *is* expensive these days 08:27:29 <TrueBrain> petern: I might hope ;) (that peering is cheaper than transit ;)) 08:27:41 <petern> TrueBrain, yeah, we don't do enough traffic to make it cheaper though 08:28:10 <TrueBrain> transit never gets cheap :( 08:28:28 <petern> it is! 08:29:28 * TrueBrain considers flaming a user for starting AGAIN why richk does what he does ... not only in the wrong topic, also completely against the wishes of richk :p 08:30:21 <TrueBrain> maybe I should just remove the reply to Spam Bin 08:30:46 <dihedral> no just lock the thread 08:30:49 <dihedral> :-P 08:30:55 <TrueBrain> the thread is fine 08:30:56 <dihedral> then richk cannot reply either :-D 08:31:08 <dihedral> lets all flame him and lock the topic :-P 08:34:58 * TrueBrain decides to do the latter ... move to Spam Bin, and send nice PM :) 08:36:38 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:44 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 08:36:51 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:39:32 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 08:45:56 *** Fuchs82 [~fehly@e181075021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:47:12 <TrueBrain> a pider made a web overnight over my drinking cup :( 08:47:47 <TrueBrain> pider = spider 08:50:27 <dihedral> YUMM 08:50:41 <dihedral> glad to hear it was only over night, and not over the last week :-P 08:51:55 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:55:06 <TrueBrain> a full blue sky today ... hmm .. 08:55:09 * TrueBrain hugs blue skies 08:57:41 <TrueBrain> so, who knows a funny joke? 08:58:53 <dihedral> uh uh uh 08:59:01 <dihedral> why were all the numbers afraid of seven? 08:59:25 <Noldo> what is a difference between Rommel and a clock? 09:00:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:00:27 <TrueBrain> do tell 09:01:01 <Noldo> clock does forward and says tic-tac, Rommel goes backwards and says tactic 09:02:05 <Noldo> and it's not my fault that clock really say tic-toc in english 09:02:07 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:26 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 09:06:09 <petern> :s 09:06:14 <petern> bacon & egg bap 09:06:20 <petern> had a pile of bacon 09:06:23 <petern> and 09:06:25 <petern> she added more 09:06:27 <petern> :D :D :D 09:13:52 <SmatZ> mmm bacon 09:14:01 <TrueBrain> hmm 'she' 09:14:11 <SmatZ> :-D 09:14:24 <petern> ... 09:18:05 <SmatZ> there's no such thing as "too much bacon" 09:20:29 <petern> indeed 09:21:01 <petern> i don't get the "'she'" though :/ 09:21:48 <TrueBrain> maybe for the best ... 09:21:50 <SmatZ> TrueBrain is dreaming about a girl :) 09:22:06 <TrueBrain> I am trying this milter stuff via debian .. but it has a poor auto-configure 09:22:08 <petern> maybe he doesn't encounter many 09:22:31 <petern> milter is an interface, not a program :) 09:22:43 <TrueBrain> .... no shit einstein :) 09:22:51 <TrueBrain> apt-get install postfix clamav-milter 09:22:55 <TrueBrain> doesn't give clamav via postfix 09:23:04 <TrueBrain> spamass-milter on the other hand, does hook itself into postfix how you might expect 09:30:49 <petern> awww, manual configuration, how terrible 09:30:49 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:18 <TrueBrain> even more as you can't really find any documentation on it ... I hate searching 09:31:21 <TrueBrain> things should be obvious! :) 09:31:47 <petern> heh, google's servers in psbl :/ 09:34:58 <TrueBrain> when post-install of a debian package refers to me to README.Debian, it is README.Debian.gz, and visa versa :) Ghehe! 09:38:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C13F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:47 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 09:39:35 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:41:51 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46164.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:07 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:08 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54:12 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:55:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.206] has joined #openttd 10:14:31 <Rubidium> SmatZ: there is such a thing as "too much bacon". If one cannot enter more bacon via the "approved" channels it means that there is too much bacon. Ofcourse "too much bacon" results in EAGAIN so you can try later again 10:14:32 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46164.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:35 <SmatZ> hehe 10:16:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:06 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:11 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 10:16:13 <Rubidium> what are approved channels it totally up to the person consuming the bacon 10:16:38 <SmatZ> :-D 10:26:53 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:33:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16134 /trunk/src/network/core/ (address.h host.cpp): -Change: do not add duplicates to the broadcast list 10:33:36 <petern> \o/ 10:49:28 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wired-65.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:50:26 <TrueBrain> "milter manager will also provide Web interface for configuration since the next release." <- euh .. I am confused .. 'will also' suggests future plans 'since the next' suggests current feature ... :s 10:53:03 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.21.231] has joined #openttd 10:53:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16135 /trunk/src/network/network.cpp: -Fix [FS#2856]: always give the server an already resolved 'client address' so we can be sure the client address is always resolved 10:54:47 <Rubidium> "since the next" is the only troublesome part, quite paradoxially in fact. It implies that the next/coming release is already release, but if it is released it cannot be the next/coming release 10:57:04 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72112.wireless.dtu.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58:35 *** reldred [~richard@115.131.214.106] has joined #openttd 10:58:52 <petern> pom te om 10:58:56 <petern> power failur 10:59:00 <petern> typing failure too 10:59:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:59:34 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:59:34 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 11:04:41 *** Fuchs82 [~fehly@e181075021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:35 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db013ce.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:07:07 <SmatZ> :-p 11:08:12 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:50 *** Fuchs82 [~fehly@e181071191.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:11:26 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:44 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 11:14:21 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm228.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:21:41 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:05 *** reldred [~richard@115.131.214.106] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:22:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe7c5.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:24:24 <petern> yup 11:24:33 <petern> someone had set the smarthost to an IP 11:33:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050243241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:36:27 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:38:28 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 11:40:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:46:07 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:07 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 11:49:57 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:51:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4d64:e03f:4d10:9d6d] has joined #openttd 11:51:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:51:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:08 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C334.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:16 <fjb> Hello 12:04:52 *** reldred [~richard@115.131.198.241] has joined #openttd 12:07:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C13F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:00 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050243241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:37 <TrueBrain> hi fjb 12:21:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050243241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:46 *** ecke [~ecke@silak.asysijd.cz] has joined #openttd 12:22:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:23:06 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:07 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:24:41 <TrueBrain> Combuster: mind getting a more stable connection? 12:27:16 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:28:05 *** Napoleone [~prosit@86.52.62.123] has joined #openttd 12:28:11 <Napoleone> wow so many people ;P 12:28:19 <TrueBrain> what else did you expect? :) 12:28:20 <Napoleone> hello all 12:28:30 <TrueBrain> no worries, most of them never said a word :) 12:28:32 <SmatZ> prosit :) 12:28:33 <Napoleone> well less than 100 ;P 12:28:48 <Napoleone> prosit? 12:28:57 <SmatZ> [14:28:04] --> Napoleone has joined this channel (~prosit@86.52.62.123). 12:29:00 <Napoleone> lol 12:29:02 <SmatZ> your name? 12:29:10 <Napoleone> naa 12:29:23 *** Napoleone is now known as LebQzz 12:30:17 <LebQzz> well i just wanted to know how to get ai working 12:30:32 <TrueBrain> download one, start one, done! :) 12:33:07 <LebQzz> hehe download where ;P 12:33:21 <glx> use openttd :) 12:33:22 <TrueBrain> Online Content button? 12:35:27 <TrueBrain> how up-to-date is landscape_grid.html? class 3 (house), m3, bits 2, 3, and 4 are marked as not having a real meaning, but landscape.html assigned them to newhouses triggers? 12:35:57 <glx> hmm good question :) 12:36:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:49 <LebQzz> hmm where is the ai in the openttd online content ;P 12:37:21 <TrueBrain> under Type AI 12:37:22 <planetmaker> those which say "AI"? 12:37:23 <TrueBrain> just an idea :) 12:37:23 <glx> the category is "AI" for them 12:37:52 <glx> there are also "NewGRF", "Scenarios", "Heightmap" 12:38:35 <LebQzz> aaah 12:38:43 <LebQzz> then it makes sense ;P 12:38:59 <TrueBrain> what? OpenTTD makes sense? NO WAY! :p 12:39:04 <LebQzz> hehe 12:39:14 <LebQzz> i only got newgrf under type hmm 12:39:28 <planetmaker> you have a running game? 12:39:49 <glx> TrueBrain: about docs, I think it's because these bits have a meaning only for newhouses, and are free otherwise 12:39:51 <LebQzz> lol im just stupid ;P 12:40:00 <TrueBrain> glx: so they are not free :) 12:40:27 <TrueBrain> glx: m7 bits 4 to 7 have the same; only used with newhouses 12:41:12 <LebQzz> what ai would you suggest? 12:41:20 <TrueBrain> all of them! :) 12:43:17 <LebQzz> just install all of em? 12:44:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:41 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:33 * TrueBrain reimports WT3 database, to validate all strings :) 12:46:39 <SmatZ> :o) 12:49:16 <glx> TrueBrain: I found why it's like that in doc :) 12:49:34 <glx> there are only 2 value for house triggers (1 and 2) 12:49:54 <TrueBrain> then why are there so many bits reserved? Any possible future extension? 12:50:14 <TrueBrain> as else it means we have 2 bits free for everything to handle multi-climate :p 12:50:34 <glx> probably (unless the spec says it should reserve 5 bits) 12:51:54 <TrueBrain> btw, glx, 2 values (1 and 2), or 2 flags (so values 0, 1, 2, 3) 12:52:08 <glx> values 12:52:13 <TrueBrain> so it only requires 1 bit :p 12:52:37 <glx> well 0 is also a value :) 12:52:47 <glx> anyway I'm trying to follow the code 12:52:56 <TrueBrain> so not only 2 values, but 3 values ;) 12:54:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:54:40 <TrueBrain> @kban [com]buster 3600 Please come back if your connection is stable 12:54:41 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: [com] is not in #openttd. 12:54:43 <TrueBrain> lol 12:54:50 <TrueBrain> @kban "[com]buster" 3600 Please come back if your connection is stable 12:54:51 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] by DorpsGek 12:54:51 *** [com]buster was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Please come back if your connection is stable] 12:55:43 <pavel1269> ban for this? why? 12:55:44 <TrueBrain> for days now he joins/leaves every 30 or 40 minutes, but not in the early morning :p 12:56:18 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: typical user, which rarely says anything at all, and only joins/leaves (on timeout). Annoys me :) 12:56:27 <pavel1269> true 12:56:50 <TrueBrain> @seen combuster 12:56:50 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: combuster was last seen in #openttd 4 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Combuster> I moved the station to connected the other 12:56:56 <TrueBrain> he talked last 4 weeks ago :p 12:57:03 <pavel1269> :-) 12:57:09 <pavel1269> but he talked! :-) 12:57:21 <pavel1269> @seen db48x 12:57:21 <DorpsGek> pavel1269: db48x was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: * db48x scowls at fixed-point math 12:57:30 <pavel1269> hmm? :-) 12:57:32 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: You could always just /ignore JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS from him 12:57:32 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: but db48x doesn't timeout all the time :) 12:57:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:48 <pavel1269> :D 12:58:08 <TrueBrain> I wonder in general how people manage to timeout EVERY HOUR 12:58:14 <pavel1269> isp? 12:58:18 <pavel1269> not their problem? 12:58:21 <Prof_Frink> IloSP. 12:58:24 <TrueBrain> either you have a sucky wireless, or you need to have a GOOD TALK with your provider 12:58:43 <pavel1269> well i timeout on quakenet every 2-3hours .... 12:58:51 <TrueBrain> try an other server :) 12:58:52 <pavel1269> here, thats like once per day 12:59:25 <glx> "sucky wireless" == pleonasm ;) 12:59:35 <TrueBrain> glx: fair enough :) 12:59:46 <TrueBrain> the other day my professor finally explained to me why wireless is sucky 12:59:57 <TrueBrain> and that 54mbps doesn't mean 54 mbps transfer speeds (more a factor 10 less :p) 13:00:05 <Prof_Frink> It's because of the lack of wires. 13:00:11 <TrueBrain> mostly, yes :) 13:00:13 <pavel1269> can you explain then why? :-) 13:00:18 <pavel1269> i have cable btw ;) 13:00:20 <TrueBrain> pure overhead! 13:00:24 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 13:00:35 <glx> it's only a "commercial" thing 13:00:41 <Prof_Frink> If you have wires, the packets can hold onto them, so they don't get lost. No wires and they wander off all over the place. 13:00:47 <TrueBrain> each bit you send over a witeless is coded with a chip, which can be up to 8 bits ... so every single bit becomes 8 bites in wireless :s 13:00:54 <glx> people don't like cables so they invented wireless 13:01:00 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:01:01 <pavel1269> :-O 13:01:07 <reldred> I <3 cables 13:01:14 <pavel1269> you ass cables? :P 13:01:23 <reldred> But then, I'm a phone tech, I'm up to my ass in cables all days 13:01:23 <TrueBrain> you pipe '3' to your I and get cables? 13:01:23 <Prof_Frink> 1180/1180! 13:01:26 * pavel1269 knows what do you mean 13:01:27 *** gule [~User@84-255-245-231.static.t-2.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:36 *** gule [~User@84-255-245-231.static.t-2.net] has left #openttd [] 13:01:52 *** gule [~User@84-255-245-231.static.t-2.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:40 <pavel1269> TrueBrain: whats reason, to make from 1bit ... 8bits? 13:02:46 <TrueBrain> chips 13:02:52 <pavel1269> you send 8x the same to make sure? :-D 13:02:55 <TrueBrain> multiple users over 1 channel, why you know which user is who 13:03:01 <TrueBrain> and very good error recovery :) 13:03:20 <pavel1269> hmm 13:03:41 <pavel1269> so 7bits info about sender? :-( 13:03:44 <pavel1269> *:-) 13:03:54 <pavel1269> info ... well .... 13:03:58 <glx> <TrueBrain> and very good error recovery :) <-- works only if you can get the packets :) 13:04:12 <pavel1269> :-D 13:04:13 <TrueBrain> glx: no, error recovery on bit-level, nothing to do with packets :) 13:04:25 <TrueBrain> wireless packets itself have .. I believe 7 bit error recovery 13:04:33 <TrueBrain> crc-16, x^8 + ... 13:04:41 <TrueBrain> so, yes, 7 bits it can recover, on packet level 13:04:50 <glx> so when you actually receive the bit you know it's correct 13:05:24 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db013ce.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 13:05:28 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: and no, there is not 7 bit of info about the sender :) It works a bit more clever 13:05:32 <TrueBrain> let me check if I can find it on the web .. 13:05:50 <reldred> Beh, I prefer cables 13:07:10 <pavel1269> x^8 ? .... 0^whatever = 0, 1^whatever = 1 :-) 13:07:30 <TrueBrain> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_redundancy_check :p 13:08:47 <TrueBrain> those crcs are polynomes 13:08:51 <TrueBrain> hence my x^8 notation :) 13:09:32 <Prof_Frink> Like... a very small pirate's pet? 13:10:05 <TrueBrain> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSSS <- doesn't really explain how it works :p Sucky wikipedia :( 13:10:48 *** gule [~User@84-255-245-231.static.t-2.net] has left #openttd [] 13:12:01 <Xaroth> TB stop confusing them with useless info :P 13:12:13 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: useless .. yeah, for normal users it is completely useless :) 13:12:15 <Xaroth> they'll have headaches for the next 5 years 13:12:26 <TrueBrain> sad thing is that I need to know it inside out for the next few weeks .. 13:12:28 <TrueBrain> blegh :( 13:12:34 <Xaroth> sucks to be you then :) 13:12:37 <TrueBrain> yup :) 13:12:59 <reldred> TrueBrain: what are you working on? 13:13:02 <Xaroth> hmm.. payday today, and already have enough plans for next week to spend it all :/ 13:13:07 <TrueBrain> reldred: passing a few classes :) 13:13:15 <reldred> TrueBrain: Ahh, boooring. 13:13:30 * reldred managed to sneak into his industry without even a highschool certificate 13:13:45 <reldred> Technically I failed highshcool, but nevermind that. 13:13:52 <TrueBrain> well, it is nice to know such things from a theory point of view :) 13:14:12 <reldred> I prefer to learn in the field :) 13:14:17 <reldred> Works better for me 13:14:27 <TrueBrain> easier :) 13:14:44 <TrueBrain> currently reading through CCNA material .. when you have a bit of experience, you laugh your ass off 13:14:50 <Belugas> hello all 13:14:50 <TrueBrain> still it is nice to read how a few things were meant to be used :) 13:14:55 <TrueBrain> howdie Belugas 13:15:07 <reldred> Yeah, I did half my CCNA when I was younger. 13:15:37 *** Quarks [~name@dslb-088-074-097-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:48 <Xaroth> CCNA was a pain in the ass :/ 13:15:51 <Xaroth> lo Belugas 13:15:53 <reldred> The company I work for is going to start selling cisco data and telephony allongside the NEC telephony we also sell, since I'm also the only tech left in the company, I'll have to get back up to speed again. 13:16:11 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: CCNA is a joke, sorry to say .. 13:16:14 <TrueBrain> even more the first part 13:16:19 <petern> Belugas :D 13:16:24 <reldred> The others resigned this week, nothing dire that should make me want to run for the hills, but anyways. 13:16:26 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: hence, pain in the ass :/ 13:17:08 <TrueBrain> WT3 Database design, THAT is a pain in the ass :) 13:17:13 <reldred> I found CCNA1 explained things in the wrong order, from the application layer down when it really would have made better sense explaining it from the bare theory of data transmission working upwards to the application layer. 13:17:25 <TrueBrain> reldred: I agree 13:17:26 *** OsteHovel [~weechat@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:37 <TrueBrain> worse, they use the OSI model over and over .. where there is no real implemention of the OSI model 13:17:41 <TrueBrain> (which they tell you too :p) 13:18:00 <TrueBrain> like you get explained something complex, after which you are told you can forget it as it is never used anyway 13:18:02 <TrueBrain> useless :p 13:18:07 <reldred> I found I ended up having to re-explain everything to the other guys doing CCNA1 at the same time, from my perspective as someone who started out as a data cable installer. 13:18:14 * db48x laughs at the OSI model 13:18:28 <TrueBrain> @seen db48x 13:18:28 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: db48x was last seen in #openttd 14 seconds ago: * db48x laughs at the OSI model 13:18:30 <TrueBrain> much better ;) 13:19:03 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051000147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:19:11 <TrueBrain> reldred: well, CCNA is topdown, my classes were bottom-up ... they both such 13:19:15 <reldred> I don't mind the OSI model much, some of the theories involved have assisted me greatly in data systems troubleshooting. 13:19:19 <TrueBrain> as you don't understand it at all until you have a complete image :) 13:19:35 <TrueBrain> 'session layer' .. I still wonder what they thought that would do :p 13:19:54 <TrueBrain> such = suck 13:19:55 <TrueBrain> lol 13:21:13 <reldred> Yeah, I mean, I can understand why the took the top-down approach, but I just think it doesn't work as well. The bottom up approach needs a really good trainer who's actually got some freakin' clue to explain to a bunch of IT nooblings. 13:21:49 <TrueBrain> I think you just need a lot of experience to really understand it :) 13:21:57 <reldred> Yeah, well, that too 13:22:24 <TrueBrain> but okay .. my classes were funny :) The professor doesn't know .. a lot about the subject 13:22:33 <TrueBrain> typical quotes: BGP is not important for The Internet 13:22:50 <TrueBrain> GET has url as second param (so 'GET http://www.google.com/'), and HOST is optional for HTTP/1.1 13:22:51 <petern> heehee 13:22:58 <TrueBrain> MTU is not relavant in transfers 13:23:05 <TrueBrain> and I have a lot more written down :p 13:23:15 <reldred> I don't exactly have a huge amount of experience in any one field, but I've dabbled around all over the place from haulling cables in roofs right to programming core routers, to edge switch equipment, and now working as a PABX tech. 13:23:35 <reldred> A mate of mine had a CCNA teacher that used to routinely spout some absolute gems 13:24:12 <reldred> My CCNA teacher got downright angry at me when I tried to tell her that you can get 10gig over copper cabling. 13:24:13 <TrueBrain> oh, the quote of last week: TCP source port + TCP dest port are both '80' when you request something from a webserver 13:24:24 <TrueBrain> and here I was wondering why I needed to launch firefox as root ... :p 13:24:57 <reldred> Hahah, I had to actually explain to my senior tech who was pouring over wireshark captures of SIP negotiation the whole random source port thing. 13:25:13 <reldred> Was a nice ego-expanding experience. 13:25:17 <TrueBrain> hehehe :) 13:25:43 <TrueBrain> but okay .. I now also know if I want to browse the web, I need to shut down my webserver 13:25:47 <TrueBrain> they can't be active at the same time :p 13:25:54 <TrueBrain> (and we had more of those jokes :p) 13:25:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:08 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:26:18 <pavel1269> :D 13:26:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050243241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:26 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:26:50 <TrueBrain> reldred: 10gig (bandwidth) over copper cable is not easy to do :p 13:27:32 <reldred> Nah, just as a commercial product full stop she was trying to tell me it doesn' exist, I then proceeded to rattle off all the commercially availible cabling products and networking hardware to deliver it. 13:28:12 <reldred> Actually trying to exploit that bandwidth is another challenge altogether, but that wasn't her argument at all. 13:28:31 <TrueBrain> I am wondering what kind of power you need to put on the wire for that :p 13:28:41 <reldred> Meh, comms doesn 13:28:45 <reldred> 't use that much 13:28:47 <TrueBrain> well .. very short distance works :p 13:28:54 <reldred> Nah, 100m 13:29:07 <reldred> 50m over cat6, 100m over cat6a, cat7 13:29:10 <TrueBrain> a single coper cable, 100m, 10gig of bandwidth? :) 13:29:15 <TrueBrain> cat6 is not a single coper cable :) 13:29:34 <TrueBrain> link agregation (how do you write it) allows you any speed you prefer :) 13:29:34 <reldred> Oh no, but cable refers to the entire assembly 13:29:44 <reldred> Nah nah nah, not link aggregation. 13:30:08 <reldred> I mean over a single cat6/cat6a/cat7 'cable', not link aggregation or anything like that. 13:30:09 <TrueBrain> currently they managed to get speeds of 1tb over 8 wires :) 13:30:19 <reldred> The hardware exists to do it commercially. 13:30:45 <reldred> I've installed it and tested and certfied it to specifications to do 10gigabit ethernet :P 13:30:48 <TrueBrain> but okay :) I was more thinking of a COAX cable :) 13:31:04 <reldred> Nah, bugger that. 13:31:51 <reldred> I was involved in the first Krone Cat6A installation in Adelaide a while back, we had the whole thing certified to spec to run 10gbps ethernet. 13:31:53 <TrueBrain> either way, UTP (and STP) allow very high speeds :) 13:31:59 <reldred> Wasn't too hard actually. 13:32:20 <TrueBrain> reldred: it does cost you a lot ;) 13:32:39 <reldred> About AUD a meter, about -12 per network outlet. 13:32:50 <reldred> Cat6A drove the price of Cat6 down, so eh 13:32:58 <TrueBrain> up to 100 gbit ;) 13:33:06 <reldred> The network hardware to drive it is always going to suck, price wise. 13:33:20 <TrueBrain> 10gbit is coming down slowly 13:33:25 <TrueBrain> as 1gbit is 'standard' nowedays 13:33:43 <reldred> Funnilly, the customer I'm pretty sure is only running 100mbps switching equipment, but that's their problem. 13:33:59 <reldred> They wanted to 'future-proof' their cabling infrastructure. *shrugs* 13:34:01 <TrueBrain> at least the cables are ready for the future ;) 13:34:10 <reldred> 'xactly 13:34:19 <TrueBrain> be glad they didn't want fibers :p 13:34:25 <reldred> eh 13:34:29 <TrueBrain> (a HELL to do fibers :() 13:34:29 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet704.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:34:34 <reldred> Fibre isn't too bad 13:34:43 <TrueBrain> I broke a few too many cables :p 13:34:49 <TrueBrain> I can't handle those thingies :( 13:35:09 <reldred> Fiddly, but like terminating UTP ___PROPERLY___, once you've got the method downpat, it's fairly painless. 13:35:28 <TrueBrain> @calc 800*0.04 13:35:28 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 32 13:35:32 <reldred> It's the snipping off the excess and polishing the connector that takes a while to get used to. 13:35:49 <TrueBrain> I just gave up on fibers :) 13:35:52 <reldred> Splicing is dog-easy wit the equipment though 13:36:20 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 13:36:21 <reldred> But yeah, I prefer copper cabling, fo' sho' 13:37:04 <TrueBrain> r12000 ... sigh ... 4000 revisions to go ... 13:37:18 <TrueBrain> OEH! My favorite song of the week: 13:37:23 <TrueBrain> # FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU VERY VERY MUCH! 13:38:44 <TrueBrain> either way, I am going to read some more about how the IP Header CRC fails to detect 2 corrupted bits in the wrong place ... :p 13:38:50 <Xaroth> what are you doing then TB? 13:38:57 <TrueBrain> importing WT3 13:39:00 <Xaroth> aha 13:39:21 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-66-158.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:40:49 <Xaroth> reldred: I find melting/terminating fiber a wee bit harder than cutting a simple UTP cable :P 13:41:04 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet704.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:05 <Xaroth> .. besides the point that for fusing fibre you need a fucking expensive piece of kit 13:41:34 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: everything related to fiber is expensive :p 13:41:48 *** ecke [~ecke@silak.asysijd.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:53 <reldred> Depends what sort of gear, you can get six figure gear that does it, and you can get four figure gear that does it just as well, just you need to be a bit more precise. I've used both. 13:42:05 <reldred> But yeah, UTP is much much much nicer 13:42:42 <Xaroth> 4 figure gear vs a 20 quid do-it-all cutter 13:43:15 <reldred> Yeah, but UTP can't exactly do four kilometer runs unrepeated, eh? 13:43:37 <reldred> It has it's uses, but the next person to propose Fibre to the Desktop is going to get my boot in their jaw. 13:43:45 <Xaroth> heh 13:43:50 <TrueBrain> reldred: wlel, I have a suggestion! 13:44:00 * Xaroth has a 4 fibre cables running 10 ft behind him 13:44:35 <reldred> Xaroth: I have 1000baseSX card in the computer on my desk 13:44:38 <Xaroth> -a :/ 13:44:45 <Xaroth> reldred: with fibre? :P 13:45:00 <reldred> Yeah, multimode fibre, SC connectors. 13:45:05 <Xaroth> nice 13:45:14 <reldred> Well, it's disconnected, not doing anything with it at the moment :P 13:45:18 <TrueBrain> "1000BASE-SX is a fiber optic gigabit Ethernet standard" 13:45:19 <TrueBrain> ;) 13:45:39 <reldred> But I used to run 1000baseSX between my home server and an enterprise nortel switch I got for free. 13:45:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46164.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:42 <reldred> Got the fibre and the switch for free (Success!), the 1000baseSX card was on ebay. Was apparently ganked from an old server, pushed fair hard for an ebay seccond-hand affair. 13:47:19 * TrueBrain is happy with his 1000BASE-T network here 13:48:16 <reldred> At home, I now run a cheap handmade cat5e crossover between my laptop (with a USB 3G modem), and my desktop. 13:48:34 <reldred> :P 13:48:43 <pavel1269> cat5e is 400mbit? 13:48:51 <pavel1269> or 200? 13:48:52 <TrueBrain> cat5e is a cable 13:48:59 <TrueBrain> 1000BASE-T requires it for 1000mbit 13:49:13 <pavel1269> TB: i know, wonder just speed 13:49:26 <TrueBrain> depends on your levels and cables used 13:49:27 <pavel1269> ah. nvm me 13:49:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:46 <reldred> cat5e will handle 1200mbit token ring/atm/whatever, and 1gbps ethernet. 13:50:43 * pavel1269 is lost 13:51:11 <reldred> I used to know the exact Mhz ratings of every cable spec, and the signalling methods used to deliver the rated bandwidths, but eh, can't be bothered anymore. 13:51:13 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5B0D416B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:51:14 <TrueBrain> fun fact: did you know that the brown cables in a cat5e cable twists less often than the green? :) 13:51:23 <reldred> duhhh 13:51:51 <TrueBrain> reldred: cat5e is 100 MHz 13:51:52 <reldred> each one has a different twist rate to minimize the amount of magneting linking between each pair 13:52:03 <reldred> Yeah cat6 is 250mhz 13:52:10 <reldred> Cat6a is 600mhz iirc 13:52:11 <TrueBrain> the only important thing to know ;) 13:52:18 <TrueBrain> 500, close enough ;) 13:52:28 <reldred> Stuff I installed was rated to 600mhz 13:52:48 <TrueBrain> okay, we should put it differently: cat6a demands at least 500 MHz :) 13:53:19 <reldred> Yeah, it's a pissing match between manufacturers to 'exceed' the specifications... 13:53:32 <TrueBrain> 600 MHz is btw cat7 13:53:38 <TrueBrain> (had to look that one up ;)) 13:53:41 <reldred> Yeah, I know 13:53:59 <reldred> Cat7 specified different connectors though, and STP, so we'll ignore that crap. 13:54:11 <TrueBrain> not even fomrally approved :p 13:54:25 <TrueBrain> I dislike STP cables / connectors 13:54:31 <reldred> When a copper cable is thicker than a 120odd core underground fibre cable, I don't want to know about it. 13:54:39 <Gekz> lolol 13:54:42 <reldred> Krone Cat6a is gnarly thick enough as it is. 13:54:47 <Belugas> end of meeting 13:54:49 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 13:54:52 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] by DorpsGek 13:54:52 <Belugas> alleluiha! 13:54:55 <TrueBrain> Belugas: PARTY!!! 13:55:20 <Belugas> naaa.. back to work your slave :( 13:55:39 <TrueBrain> r14000 .. 13:55:57 <planetmaker> When a copper cable is thicker than a 120odd core underground fibre cable, I don't want to know about it. <--- I usually want to know about where my power comes from ;) 13:56:15 <reldred> For data transmission, not powar@ 13:56:17 <reldred> ! 13:56:18 <reldred> :P 13:56:30 <planetmaker> hehe :) 13:56:37 <TrueBrain> you know what scares me: wireless power 13:56:56 <planetmaker> fries your brain. Truely fried brain :D 13:57:16 <reldred> MmmmMmmm 13:57:19 * planetmaker is in a funny mood 13:57:19 <pavel1269> wireless power ... :D 13:57:21 <TrueBrain> they managed to cross a few meters to power a lightbulb ... 13:57:33 <planetmaker> yup. Nice stuff :) 13:57:39 <TrueBrain> SCARY!~ 13:57:40 <TrueBrain> I tell you 13:57:48 <reldred> What I love is the gnarly power-factor of all the compact fluorescent lightbulbs 13:57:51 * TrueBrain slaps his ESXi server for starting to swap without reason :( 13:57:52 <reldred> :P 13:58:07 <pavel1269> ist it working .... like ... Microwave oven ? :D 13:58:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet704.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:58:18 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: solar power... is like wireless power too 13:58:23 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: LOL! 13:58:44 <TrueBrain> okay, wireless current 13:58:45 <TrueBrain> :) 13:58:53 <planetmaker> well... actually, if you live in the vicinity of a (strong) radio transmitter, you could power your fluorescent tube for long time. 13:59:05 <planetmaker> already 13:59:16 <planetmaker> but the local radio station might not like it, though ;) 13:59:25 <TrueBrain> fuck them :p 13:59:53 <planetmaker> it's not wireless current. Rubidium is actually right. It's just a different light frequency 14:00:13 <planetmaker> and the receiver technique is a bit different 14:00:26 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: 'a bit' ;) 14:01:06 <planetmaker> well. solar cells work on molecular level while the "wireless power" basically is a nicely tuned antenna 14:01:35 <Rubidium> then there's the moons gravitational pull that could be seen as wireless power too 14:01:51 <planetmaker> :P 14:01:54 <TrueBrain> in that case, everything is wireless power 14:01:59 <TrueBrain> even molecules are 14:02:01 <Rubidium> the rest is AFAIK a derivation from either solar or gravitationally generated power 14:02:34 <planetmaker> nope :) nuclear power is definitely a derivation of neither 14:02:55 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I think you can talk long enough to put that under gravity :p 14:02:59 <petern> um 14:03:04 <petern> anyone know how to open an HP 2600n? 14:03:05 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, won't work :) 14:03:09 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that's not quite wireless ;) 14:03:13 <TrueBrain> petern: use a brick 14:03:26 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: we can at least try! :) 14:03:36 <planetmaker> Rubidium, true :) TrueBrain then truy ;) 14:03:40 <planetmaker> *try 14:03:53 <Rubidium> and 'solar power' is in effect the means to transport nuclear power 14:03:53 <db48x> actually, wireless power uses non-radiative antennas 14:03:59 <db48x> antennas so badly tuned that they don't work 14:04:05 <TrueBrain> well, nuclear power comes from an electron being forced in an other layer, releasing some exotic particles, right? 14:04:09 <db48x> TrueBrain: no 14:04:11 <petern> TrueBrain, tried that, didn't work 14:04:20 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, no 14:04:22 <TrueBrain> petern: hahaha :) Then I can't help you :) 14:04:23 <db48x> TrueBrain: nuclear power comes from the conversion of one atom into atoms of another type 14:04:31 <planetmaker> ^^ 14:04:39 <TrueBrain> db48x: yeah, and what happens then? :) 14:04:40 <db48x> TrueBrain: the result is several atoms with less total mass than you started with, releasing energy 14:04:46 <planetmaker> kind of the medival type of alchemy ;) 14:04:58 <db48x> nuclear power is the direct, controlled conversion of mass into energy 14:05:13 <pavel1269> true :-) 14:05:16 <TrueBrain> db48x: so because there is lower mass, it releases energy? ;) I think it because it releases energy, the mass is lower, but okay ;) 14:05:34 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, both is true :) 14:05:36 <db48x> well, the total sum of energy+mass has to remain constant 14:05:43 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: lol :) 14:05:52 <db48x> when you split the uranium atom, the results have less mass than the uranium did 14:05:55 <pavel1269> TB: if you "connect" two atoms to make one with higher mass, you will also get a energy :-) 14:06:00 <db48x> so the rest has to come out somewhere 14:06:02 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: e = mcc 14:06:14 <db48x> pavel1269: it depends on what you start with 14:06:19 <planetmaker> pavel1269, no. Only if you end up with atoms lighter than iron 14:06:22 <db48x> pavel1269: that's true for anything less massive than iron 14:06:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: really?! :p 14:06:33 <pavel1269> but it ts :-) 14:06:33 <db48x> anything more massive than iron requires you to create mass during fusion 14:06:46 <planetmaker> ^ 14:06:48 <pavel1269> you know .... fusion power? 14:06:52 <db48x> yes 14:06:55 <planetmaker> pavel1269, yes. 14:06:57 <db48x> fusion works with hydrogen 14:07:01 <pavel1269> ye ... 14:07:03 <db48x> much less massive than iron 14:07:09 <pavel1269> 1hydrogen + 1hydrogen :-) 14:07:12 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:07:16 <planetmaker> fusion of iron and iron to, say, uranium requires you to input LOTS of energy. 14:07:17 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: now substitute m for the difference in mass et presto, the different in energy is calculated 14:07:17 <pavel1269> well, i havent said, with what :-) 14:07:21 <db48x> if you tried to fuse two iron atoms together, it would require an input of energy to create the mass that would otherwise be missing 14:07:39 <db48x> anyway, back to wireless power 14:07:44 <planetmaker> if it weren't so, you would see no supernovae :) 14:07:54 <db48x> they use non-radiative antennas, so they don't waste power on making radio waves 14:07:56 <pavel1269> i havent :-) 14:08:03 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: you can also just use the sun as example 14:08:03 <planetmaker> I did :P 14:08:06 <TrueBrain> no need to go supernovea :) 14:08:16 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, the sun doesn't fuse iron :) 14:08:33 <pavel1269> sure? :-D 14:08:33 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, that's the task for Mythbusters 14:08:34 <TrueBrain> it for sure has iron particles 14:08:44 <planetmaker> my word were: if you could fuse iron with energy gain -> no supernovae 14:08:45 <db48x> ironically, supernovas happen when the amount of iron in a star gets too high, and the supernova explosion causes the R-process that makes all the elements heavier than iron 14:09:07 <pavel1269> planetmaker: well, hydrogen is making energy gain, iron is eating it? :-) 14:09:13 <planetmaker> yes 14:09:16 <db48x> pavel1269: exactly 14:09:31 <pavel1269> but it is fusing .... 14:09:34 <planetmaker> no 14:09:47 <planetmaker> starts only fuse light elements 14:09:48 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: in that case, I have to agree ;) 14:10:04 <planetmaker> iron is the most stable element there is. 14:10:09 <db48x> pavel1269: fusing hydrogen makes helium, fusing helium makes berrillium, fusing berrillium makes oxygen, etc 14:10:11 * pavel1269 's searching in vocabulary now for "fusion" 14:10:15 <planetmaker> you don't gain energy from it by either fusion or fission 14:10:16 <db48x> once it starts making iron, the star's days are numbered 14:10:53 <planetmaker> db48x, you don't make Berrilium... 14:10:54 * Rubidium doubts that such countdown is measured in days 14:10:58 <planetmaker> you make C. 14:11:01 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: remember we talk physics here .. not everything is what the term suggests ;) 14:11:17 <planetmaker> directly 14:11:20 <pavel1269> but ... iron can breakdown again to lighter one :-.) 14:11:26 <planetmaker> pavel1269, no 14:11:29 <TrueBrain> db48x: every star makes iron pretty quick .. just not that much ;) 14:11:35 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, no 14:11:42 <planetmaker> :) 14:11:45 <pavel1269> stop saying no 14:11:52 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I tempt to disagree :) 14:11:52 <db48x> planetmaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-alpha_process 14:12:01 <planetmaker> db48x, exactly. 14:12:05 <planetmaker> tripple-alpha. 14:12:16 <planetmaker> not Berillium 14:12:27 <TrueBrain> "The triple alpha process is highly dependent on carbon-12 and beryllium-8" 14:12:40 <planetmaker> the latter isn't stable. 14:12:55 <planetmaker> it's actually nearly as unstable as you can get. 14:12:59 <TrueBrain> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/07/020717080229.htm 14:13:02 <TrueBrain> (random URL) 14:13:03 <planetmaker> So you need 3 alpha in one place at a time 14:13:09 <db48x> my only point was that the star proceeds up the chart until it hits iron 14:13:13 <planetmaker> or within 10^-18s 14:13:19 <db48x> the exact process isn't very important 14:13:37 <pavel1269> great ball of iron :-D 14:13:43 <planetmaker> that's then end, yes 14:14:02 <planetmaker> well... not of a star, but of its center 14:14:15 <TrueBrain> but okay .. we can all agree that we wouldn't have heavier elements than Iron if there weren't big balls of explosions over the million of years we had ;) 14:14:24 <planetmaker> yes 14:14:34 <planetmaker> if you mean supernovae. 14:14:45 <pavel1269> but hey, why everything just dont end as iron? .... 14:14:56 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: because we need heavier elements!! 14:15:00 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: not perse, but okay :) 14:15:07 <planetmaker> pavel1269, because stable elements are... stable :) 14:15:11 <pavel1269> well, we need, how do we make them? :P 14:15:17 <planetmaker> in supernovae 14:15:23 <db48x> pavel1269: ah, that's called the r-process 14:15:27 <pavel1269> every element break on its own ... false? 14:15:34 <db48x> yes, that's false 14:15:34 <planetmaker> yes 14:15:42 <db48x> the only elements that break on their own are the radioactive ones 14:15:46 <planetmaker> yes 14:15:59 <db48x> when a star goes supernova, a huge amount of neutrons are released 14:16:01 <planetmaker> see. I can say 'yes', too :) 14:16:19 <TrueBrain> but now the question: how are planets made? :p 14:16:23 <db48x> those neutrons fly through the outer layers of the star, and a tiny percentage of them are captured 14:16:28 <pavel1269> whats then "half time of breakdown" every element have it ... 14:16:33 <db48x> any atom that captures a neutron tends to move up on the periodic chart 14:16:40 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, by having a supernova compress an existing gas and dust cloud sufficiently 14:16:46 <planetmaker> :) 14:16:51 <db48x> pavel1269: not every element has a half-life, because not every element is radioactive 14:17:02 <pavel1269> everyone have 14:17:05 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: there is no absolute need for supernovea to create planets 14:17:20 <db48x> TrueBrain: yes, but it's believed to be the most common method 14:17:30 <db48x> a regular nova can also create new stars and planets 14:17:35 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, there's no need. But w/o supernovae there wouldn't be anything other than Hydrogen and helium. 14:17:44 <planetmaker> so,... you need some initially :) 14:17:46 <pavel1269> hydrgoen for expalmle some trilions of years ... i dont think hydrogen is radioactive 14:17:56 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: yes, but that can be non-related :) 14:17:57 <planetmaker> pavel1269, it isn't. 14:18:00 <db48x> pavel1269: you may be referring to proton decay 14:18:09 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, yes 14:18:12 <db48x> pavel1269: proton decay is still theoretical 14:18:26 <planetmaker> but you still need some cause for the instability. But that may be any. 14:18:42 <db48x> but the theory says that over time spans longer than the total life of the universe so far, all protons may eventually decay away 14:19:05 <pavel1269> how do you get old of somethink ancient? .... halftime breakdown of ... C ... C isnt radioactivev :-) 14:19:06 <TrueBrain> db48x: lucky quantum says the oposite: protons are randomly generated in the universe :p 14:19:12 <TrueBrain> (okay, now THAT is an other subject :p) 14:19:41 <db48x> pavel1269: C14 is radioactive, C12 is not 14:19:45 <db48x> C14 is pretty rare 14:19:47 <planetmaker> pavel1269, yes, C is neither radioactive. But you can still fuse it with energy gain :) 14:20:04 <planetmaker> 14C isn't created in stars :) 14:20:07 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 14:20:08 <planetmaker> not much 14:20:09 <pavel1269> so, they are using for that C14? .... 14:20:16 <planetmaker> no 14:20:16 <TrueBrain> and to confuse pavel1269 even more: now tell how suns are created ;) 14:20:18 <db48x> when a plant or animal is alive, it's continuously taking in and expelling C 14:20:20 <Forked> did it ever occur to you people that it's friday and this is too much for some of us? :\ 14:20:25 <Forked> even if it is an interesting topic :p 14:20:31 <pavel1269> poor TB :-D 14:20:34 <TrueBrain> @kick Forked we can fix that problem 14:20:34 *** Forked was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [we can fix that problem] 14:20:34 <db48x> so the amount of C14 as a percentage of it's total carbon content is always the same while it's alive 14:20:35 <planetmaker> Forked, no :P 14:20:42 <db48x> once it dies, no more C enters or leaves 14:20:43 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 14:20:45 <Forked> such violence :) 14:20:48 <db48x> so the C14 slowly decays away 14:20:57 * TrueBrain hugs Forked 14:21:14 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I've heard that someone wrote down how suns are created... was something like 'poef' and there a bunch of starts IIRC 14:21:17 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: why poor me? :) 14:21:18 <planetmaker> Forked, that's the Friday afternoon brain washing session 14:21:28 <db48x> pavel1269: so if you measure the amout of C14 and the amount of C12, then the ratio tells you how long it's been since the thing died 14:21:31 <planetmaker> hehe :) 14:21:39 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lol :) And that all happened in the Nth day, yes ;) 14:21:42 <pavel1269> okay 14:21:47 <pavel1269> will trust :-) 14:21:48 <Forked> TrueBrain: aww :) 14:22:06 <planetmaker> Rubidium, that someone must be a Mr Shu ;) 14:22:06 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051000147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:22:10 <db48x> the problem with C14 dating is that we have to assume that the amount of C14 that was generally available is the same as it was today 14:22:22 <pavel1269> another question, whats real purpose of breathing? its it just "removing" Cs from our body? 14:22:23 <planetmaker> db48x, which is pretty good assumption 14:22:33 <TrueBrain> db48x: wasn't there a publication about it last week or so 14:22:34 <db48x> we know that there is some variability, but overall it does seem to have been a decent assumption 14:23:02 <db48x> pavel1269: you pull in O2 molecules, break them apart to make energy, and the result is carbon dioxide, CO2 14:23:12 <planetmaker> db48x, as the method isn't usefull for anything beyond a few 10k maybe 100k years... pretty much so 14:23:17 <db48x> breathing is where you get the energy to move about and type things 14:23:23 <TrueBrain> (mostly showing C14 is not equal in relative messages to C12 as we are hoping) 14:23:37 <db48x> TrueBrain: dunno, might have been 14:23:48 <pavel1269> db48x: so we break apart O2 and then make CO2? :-D .... 14:23:58 <db48x> I read once that lightning strikes can create false C14 readouts 14:24:00 <db48x> pavel1269: yes 14:24:11 <db48x> that's called the Krebs cycle 14:24:15 <planetmaker> there are constantly messages :) - it's cucial to know the 14C times exactly and the time variation thereof 14:24:22 <TrueBrain> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Radiocarbon_bomb_spike.svg <- C14 against C12 ;) 14:24:24 <pavel1269> se, we with this whole cyclus, we just remove C :-) 14:24:38 <db48x> it creates a proton gradient in the interiors of your mitochondria, which the mitochondria use to power motors 14:24:51 <Rubidium> db48x: doesn't suprise me that lightning causes fusion 14:25:01 <Rubidium> and with enough stuff in the air, who knows ;) 14:25:02 <db48x> those motors put toghether molecules called ATP (adesine triphosphate) 14:25:03 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 14:25:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:25:09 <db48x> lightning doesn't cause fusion 14:25:12 <TrueBrain> I love animations of ATPs :) 14:25:14 <db48x> yea 14:25:18 <db48x> ATP is awesome 14:25:48 <TrueBrain> http://www.biologyinmotion.com/atp/index.html <- hahahaha :) 14:26:04 <db48x> any time a machine in one of your cells wants to do something, it grabs an ATP molecule and breaks it into ADP (adensine diphosphate) and a free phospahte group 14:26:09 <pavel1269> if i could remove some Cs from my body now and then, then i dont need to breath :P 14:26:11 <db48x> that powers the machine in your cell for a bit 14:26:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:26:26 <db48x> pavel1269: no, if you don't breath your cells will stop working 14:26:39 <db48x> there will be no oxygen to power the Krebs cycle, and your supplies of ATP will run down 14:26:45 <db48x> the result is a quick death 14:26:50 <db48x> 3-5 minutes 14:26:55 <db48x> aka, strangulation 14:26:56 <pavel1269> O + O + C just make CO2? 14:27:00 <db48x> yes 14:27:04 <pavel1269> and O2 to O + O makes energy? 14:27:05 <TrueBrain> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHmdJtiaNYg&feature=related <- hahaha :) 14:27:19 <db48x> pavel1269: yes 14:27:24 <TrueBrain> can't find the animation I was looking for :( 14:27:33 <pavel1269> so we have free energy engine :-D 14:27:36 <db48x> I have a good one bookmarked on my other computer, hold on 14:27:39 <db48x> pavel1269: not quite 14:27:48 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: yeah .. exploit it!! 14:27:56 <pavel1269> :D 14:27:57 <db48x> it's not free, but it is surprisingly efficient 14:28:10 <TrueBrain> how is it called .. an engine that runs 'for free'? 14:28:15 <TrueBrain> too difficult word for me to type :p 14:28:34 <pavel1269> i will just harvest some Cs and then spray then with O2 and gain energy :-P 14:28:38 <pavel1269> haha :D 14:28:42 <planetmaker> perpetuum mobile, TrueBrain ? 14:28:46 <pavel1269> yeah 14:28:50 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I only know it starts with a p :p 14:28:52 <Belugas> [10:29] <db48x> the result is a quick death 14:28:53 <TrueBrain> so I guess :) 14:28:53 <Belugas> [10:29] <db48x> 3-5 minutes 14:28:56 <Belugas> buhwahahah!!! 14:29:04 <TrueBrain> pavel1269:there is no such thing as a 'perpetuum mobile' :p PERIOD! 14:29:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D896.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:29:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051000147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:08 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:29:09 <TrueBrain> stop hoping for it :) 14:29:11 <Belugas> i'm a living dead! 14:29:25 <planetmaker> huah :) zombie alarm! 14:29:28 <pavel1269> TB: if i will invent it, it would be nice ... haha :-) 14:29:33 <TrueBrain> Belugas: what was your time? :) 14:29:41 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: it is impossible to invent it: IT DOES NOT EXIST! :) 14:29:42 <TrueBrain> sigh .... :) 14:29:45 <pavel1269> i know ... 14:29:51 <Belugas> 5 minutes 47 seconds 14:29:58 <Belugas> yeah baaby!!! 14:30:02 <TrueBrain> most people won't believe that Belugas ;) WE WANT PROOF! 14:30:14 <Belugas> come in here, i'll show you :D 14:30:18 <pavel1269> :D 14:30:30 <pavel1269> but he must survive ... ALIVE :-) 14:30:32 <planetmaker> pavel1269> TB: if i will invent it, it would be nice ... haha :-) <-- I can prove that you cannot :) 14:30:35 <Belugas> by the way, world record is around 10 miutes... so... BOOOOO 14:30:44 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: k, go ahead :) 14:30:46 <db48x> TrueBrain: haha, that video is cool 14:30:46 <pavel1269> pm i know 14:30:59 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, this channel doesn't support latex :P 14:31:07 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: EXCUSES! 14:31:10 <Belugas> nope.. nly leather 14:31:12 <db48x> Belugas: ok, 3-5 minutes after the oxygen in your blood and lungs runs out :) 14:31:16 <planetmaker> :D 14:31:28 <Belugas> granted db48x 14:31:43 <db48x> so, where's that bookmark of mine? 14:31:44 <Rubidium> http://www.meridian.net.au/Art/Artists/MCEscher/Gallery/Images/escher-waterfall-medium.jpg <- a perpetuum mobile! 14:31:54 <TrueBrain> lol @ Rubidium 14:31:59 <planetmaker> lol 14:32:13 <planetmaker> Love his art :) 14:32:16 <pavel1269> lol :D 14:33:04 <pavel1269> but, somewhere in my republic, if you put a thing on the hill, it does not move down, but up the hill :-) 14:33:26 <SmatZ> scary 14:33:57 <planetmaker> pavel1269, optical illusions are nice, eh :) 14:34:00 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: yeah, if I rotate my head 90 degrees, I get that everywhere! 14:34:19 <pavel1269> i saw that in TV! true!! 14:34:20 <TrueBrain> I was snowboarding a few weeks ago, than you have that a lot .. that you are sure you have to slow down, but instead you speed up :) 14:34:31 <planetmaker> pavel1269, yeah :) I've seen it myself 14:34:39 <pavel1269> no illusion 14:34:42 <planetmaker> maybe not "yours" but another place 14:35:01 <TrueBrain> youtube!! 14:35:02 <TrueBrain> :p 14:35:16 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: may I propose that you script your client so it swaps then and than? ;) 14:35:24 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yup 14:35:26 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:30 <planetmaker> go an take a perpendicular and see where "up" and "down" are :) 14:36:15 <pavel1269> SmatZ: do you know about it? it was at "nova" tv 14:36:24 <pavel1269> long time ago thought 14:36:39 <Rubidium> pavel1269: if there is one thing to not trust it's TV 14:36:43 <SmatZ> ah, when it's at nova, it has to be true :) 14:36:50 <planetmaker> pavel1269, or take a level 14:36:56 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 14:36:58 <db48x> bah 14:36:59 <planetmaker> *water level 14:37:03 <db48x> the one I have bookmarked is 404 14:37:05 <planetmaker> but that'd be boring ;) 14:37:09 <db48x> it was great too 14:37:14 <db48x> it was from the Harvard Biovisions program 14:37:23 <TrueBrain> db48x: :( 14:37:33 <planetmaker> ok. lecture's over from my part for now :) need to go shopping. 14:37:35 <planetmaker> cu later 14:37:39 <TrueBrain> I am now trying to find that very beautiful movie about how big and small we are :) 14:37:40 <pavel1269> cya 14:37:43 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: bye :) 14:38:01 <petern> lol 14:38:04 <petern> fixed the printer 14:38:19 <pavel1269> SmatZ: http://www.fjv.estranky.cz/clanky/f-zajimavosti/GravAnomalie .... sorry, jsut Czech 14:38:41 <db48x> still, they have other good movies 14:38:42 <db48x> http://multimedia.mcb.harvard.edu/ 14:38:48 <db48x> watch the "Inner Life of a Cell" one 14:39:00 <db48x> look for the kinesans walking around 14:39:00 <pavel1269> from the site "water is going on its own up the hill" 14:39:00 <petern> trick is: 1) unscrew every screw 2) apply some force to remove panels 3) apply MORE force to remove panels 4) apply BRUTAL force to remove panels 5) curse that the clips are made of some superstrenght plastic 6) apply crowbar to panels 7) laugh 14:39:19 <pavel1269> petern: so, you are in? :D 14:39:19 <TrueBrain> petern: why the latter? 14:39:26 <petern> delirium 14:40:53 <TrueBrain> bah, I hate it when I can't find back movies I have seen :( 14:41:33 <db48x> yea, me too 14:41:47 <TrueBrain> finally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BjHvwSvpOw&feature=related 14:41:49 <db48x> molecularmovies.org has a bunch 14:42:06 <TrueBrain> (Very old movie btw) 14:42:44 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-235-159.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:43:05 <SmatZ> pavel1269: http://kdf.mff.cuni.cz/veletrh/sbornik/Veletrh_11/11_08_Havranek.html it's optical illusion :) what they call hill isn't hill, but flat land 14:43:29 <pavel1269> SmatZ: just reading wiki :-) 14:43:37 <pavel1269> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_hill 14:44:15 <SmatZ> hehe 14:47:53 <db48x> http://www.molecularmovies.com/showcase/index.html 14:50:07 <db48x> there are hours of vidoes there 14:50:15 <db48x> but I must acquire some lunch 14:50:16 <db48x> bbl 14:50:21 <TrueBrain> enjoy! 14:50:30 <db48x> thanks 14:51:10 <pavel1269> TrueBrain: that zoom video is .... know but a bit scary :-P 14:51:39 <TrueBrain> it always amazed me how 'in the center' we are 14:51:52 *** Sapakara [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd 14:52:15 <pavel1269> this is nice :-) 14:52:16 <pavel1269> http://kdf.mff.cuni.cz/veletrh/sbornik/Veletrh_11/11_08_Havranek_soubory/image012.jpg 14:52:20 <pavel1269> thats up the hill :-) 14:52:38 <Belugas> Run To The Hills 14:54:36 *** Troub [~Troubles@e178186137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:54:41 <Troub> hi all 14:54:48 <TrueBrain> hello Troub 14:55:04 <TrueBrain> "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! All the way from Germany I present to you: Troubles!" 14:56:15 <pavel1269> lol hi 14:56:20 <Troub> I've a question related to installing OpenGFX, anybody willing to help :)? 14:56:30 <TrueBrain> I think that depends on the question 14:56:39 <TrueBrain> so maybe you first ask it, then we go and see if we are wlling to help :) 14:56:43 <TrueBrain> sounds like a plan to you? 14:56:56 <Troub> you're a true brain... 14:57:05 <TrueBrain> I am known for that fact, yes, thank you very much :) 14:57:10 <pavel1269> :-D 14:57:50 <pavel1269> looks like alain at forums stoppped to talk at me at all :-P ... i said to him, that i wont update his patchpack and ? :-) ... 14:58:07 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: why do you say things like that! :p 14:58:24 <pavel1269> TrueBrain: make me perpetum machine! 14:58:29 <Troub> Well, I tried installing OpenGFX as told in the wiki but at the second step already I fail. There it says I have to skip the question about the install folder of the GFX files of original TTD, but there is no possibility to do so (at least for the installer)... 14:58:38 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46164.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:16 <pavel1269> isnt it jsut ... donwload .tar .... palce him, change one line in .cfg and hooray? 14:59:18 <TrueBrain> glx: can't you skip that step in the installer? 14:59:35 <Troub> no I can't 15:00:08 <Troub> you mean using the zip instead of the installer, pavel? 15:00:14 <pavel1269> yeah 15:00:30 <pavel1269> OpenGFX == 8bpp replacement? 15:00:39 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: yes 15:00:42 <Troub> then it should be corrected in the wiki because there it explicitly says to use the installer 15:00:52 <Troub> yes, 8bb replacement 15:00:52 <TrueBrain> Troub: well, that will work for sure, to use the .zip; but the installer should be able to skip it, yes 15:01:00 <TrueBrain> Troub: so go to http://bugs.openttd.org, and report the problem there :) 15:01:53 <reldred> Uuuuurgh bed time, I reckon 15:01:55 <Troub> actually... do you know what? 15:02:32 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:12 <Troub> MAYBE... before coming to this question about the GFX folder there is the possibility to not install game graphics at all... I unchecked it... now the installer is not asking for the install folder anymore.... so I think it is meant this way... quite confusing in the wiki though, hell, thanks you 2 :) 15:03:55 <Troub> actually I "skipped" it without clicking an (quite expected) "skip" button 15:04:05 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:10 <pavel1269> :-) 15:04:25 <pavel1269> i dont know why you thanks me, but np for me :-D 15:05:29 <Troub> because discussion with you lead me to try it again and figure out how it is meant ;) 15:05:38 <TrueBrain> Troub: update the wiki :) 15:06:00 <TrueBrain> reldred: sleep well 15:06:11 <Troub> actually I'm a lazy guy but for OpenTTD I will overcome this maybe :D 15:06:29 <pavel1269> everyone is lazzy :-) 15:06:32 <TrueBrain> without contributors like yourself, OpenTTD will die by lack of good howtos, for peopple like yourself 15:06:37 <TrueBrain> so yeah, overcome that lazyness ;) 15:07:05 <Troub> oh, thanks for those really wise words brain lol 15:07:16 <pavel1269> not brain, True Brain! 15:07:17 <pavel1269> :-) 15:07:25 <Troub> oh damn me 15:07:31 * TrueBrain is happy :) The WT3 I was running did that with no more than 50 MiB of used memory at any given time :) 15:07:53 <pavel1269> inst 50MB a bit much for a web application? 15:07:59 <TrueBrain> the IMPORT 15:08:00 <Belugas> [10:58] <Troub> I've a question related to installing OpenGFX, anybody willing to help :)? <-- congratulations :D You're the first one who to cume up with the factor of "will" 15:08:10 <TrueBrain> so processing tons of data from SVN to a database 15:08:18 <TrueBrain> I think it is allowed to be a bit 'much' relative to a web application ;) 15:08:27 <pavel1269> :-) 15:08:35 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: besides, WT2 requires a LOT more :p 15:08:47 <Troub> lol Belugas, is this good? 15:08:52 <TrueBrain> Troub: yes 15:09:02 <TrueBrain> most people who comes here demand help 15:09:07 <TrueBrain> and leave if they don't get it in time 15:09:14 <pavel1269> so true 15:10:06 <Troub> I see, so you guys idle often here it seems, are you all part of the development team? 15:10:07 *** reldred [~richard@115.131.198.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:11 <TrueBrain> hmm .. my WT3 validation still fails .. {P 2 o i} gives the warning: got 3 param, expected 2 :( 15:10:27 <Belugas> indeed Troub :) it shows you are a better user than most new comers :D 15:10:46 <TrueBrain> Troub: most people here are OpenTTD fans, helping out where ever they can, including helping people with questions, like yourself :) 15:10:49 <pavel1269> Troub: nope, my kung-fu is weaker than developrs one :-P 15:13:06 <Troub> however, I will contribute by manipulating the wiki ;D... and thank all of you for the nice chat... now going to install OpenGFX and maybe doing some bug reports (since it is not final state yet) - well, if I overcome my lazyness again :) 15:13:19 <TrueBrain> I am sure you will ;) 15:13:23 <TrueBrain> enjoy OpenTTD :) 15:13:52 <Troub> so much more as even the original TT when I was a child :D... bye 15:13:55 *** Troub [~Troubles@e178186137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 15:14:08 <TrueBrain> how nice to finally meat a normal user :) 15:14:11 * TrueBrain is all happy again :) 15:14:29 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177231252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:14:32 <pavel1269> yeah 15:14:36 <pavel1269> no wonder why 15:14:57 <pavel1269> you should transfer some users to "Troub" :-) 15:15:02 <TrueBrain> now I need to understand why this WT3 subroutine fails ... 15:15:15 <TrueBrain> try: 15:15:17 <TrueBrain> int(m[1]) 15:15:18 <TrueBrain> except ValueError: 15:15:20 <TrueBrain> errors += [ (8, m[0], len(m) - 1, paramCount), ] 15:15:21 <TrueBrain> seens fine, not? :( 15:15:59 <pavel1269> php? 15:16:06 <TrueBrain> does it look like PHP? :) 15:16:10 <pavel1269> no 15:16:10 <pavel1269> :D 15:16:16 <TrueBrain> so I guess it is not PHP ;) 15:16:44 <pavel1269> isnt missions some function just before the "(" ? 15:17:06 <TrueBrain> [] <- array, () <- set 15:17:09 <pavel1269> or what does it do (8, 1, 2) for example 15:17:23 <TrueBrain> (or in python terms: tuple and list) 15:17:35 <pavel1269> python :-/ 15:17:42 <pavel1269> i dont like snakes 15:18:27 <pavel1269> i still dont get it :-) ... in [], it still want index, no? 15:18:38 <TrueBrain> lol, mixed up a != and == ... oops 15:18:45 <TrueBrain> errors += [ a, ] 15:18:50 <TrueBrain> errors is initialized as [] 15:19:00 <TrueBrain> so, it is a simple array, where indexes go from 0 to N 15:19:12 <TrueBrain> only instead of adding 'a' to it, I add (8, 1, 2) to it 15:19:18 <TrueBrain> which is a list 15:19:33 <TrueBrain> so to access the entry: errors[n][0] or errors[n][1] 15:21:06 <pavel1269> does this works in C/PHP, so i can give a try? :-) 15:21:13 <TrueBrain> C: no (dah) 15:21:15 <TrueBrain> PHP: no idea 15:21:21 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 15:22:51 *** free_kill [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:23:02 <free_kill> here we go, my timeout time :-) 15:23:05 <free_kill> <- pavel1269 15:24:12 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 15:25:10 <Belugas> [11:16] <TrueBrain> how nice to finally meat a normal user :) <--- TrueBrain is hungry!! 15:25:18 <TrueBrain> meet .. 15:25:19 <TrueBrain> oops 15:25:21 <Belugas> :D 15:25:52 <SmatZ> hehe 15:27:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb24.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:28:43 <SmatZ> hello frosch123 15:29:04 <frosch123> afternoon smatz :) 15:29:30 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:29:33 <Belugas> hello and good afternoon frosch123 and SmatZ :) 15:29:53 <TrueBrain> time to get some food!!! :) 15:30:02 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:08 <Belugas> told you he saw hungry... 15:30:12 <Belugas> was 15:30:14 <Belugas> bllaaaaa 15:30:19 <TrueBrain> Belugas: you were absolutely right :) 15:31:22 <SmatZ> hello Belugas! 15:36:02 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm228.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36:24 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.247] has joined #openttd 15:37:40 <nicfer> one question, would be possible to make monorail buildable over regular/electrified railways? 15:38:26 <SmatZ> easy to code, but is this wanted by users? 15:38:35 <nicfer> well, it may require graphics, but it would simplify upgrading 15:38:38 <SmatZ> there is a rail convert tool available 15:38:52 <nicfer> that doesn't work for monorail 15:38:59 <SmatZ> doesn't work? 15:39:00 <nicfer> trains get stuck if you try 15:39:03 <SmatZ> haha 15:39:05 <SmatZ> sure 15:39:19 <SmatZ> you can't put your heavy steam train on monorail track 15:39:22 <SmatZ> so, no 15:39:25 <SmatZ> this won't be possible 15:39:41 <nicfer> and if you have thousands of trains, it would be a nightmare to change them all to monorail 15:39:48 <SmatZ> maybe with the exception of depots 15:39:53 *** goodger_ is now known as goodger 15:40:02 <SmatZ> send to depot, sell, convert, build new trains 15:40:02 <TrueBrain> nicfer: I did that once in my life ... with TTD .. without conversion tools .... a HELL! :) 15:40:21 <petern> it'll be easy with my railtypes code 15:40:29 <petern> you can make a grf that'll make all rail types compatible 15:40:31 <TrueBrain> petern: so finish it! :) 15:40:34 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: without mass send to depot function, shared orders and such :) but TTD had 80 trains limit 15:40:36 <petern> only for the lamers that require that :p 15:40:56 <nicfer> my proposal would be make 15:41:07 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: still .. I also remember there was an AI kicking ass in my map .. making it almost impossible .. and then you are done! And there is maglev .. .GRRR :p 15:41:16 <SmatZ> hehe 15:41:16 <nicfer> ouch, enter instead of backspace 15:41:38 <Prof_Frink> nicfer: Make it possible to upgrade depots with stopped trains in them? 15:41:57 <Prof_Frink> That's how the Patch does it. 15:42:08 <nicfer> hmmm, that would be a hacky solution 15:42:12 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe7c5.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:43 <nicfer> but my initial idea was a hybrid (electric) railway-monorail track 15:42:44 <SmatZ> Patch allows normal trains on maglev track :-p 15:43:12 <SmatZ> or at least, allowed in the past (with cheats) 15:43:56 <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: Yes, but you could upgrade depots without cheats 15:45:38 <nicfer> it's clear what I want with 'hybrid mono-dual rail' no? 15:46:18 <SmatZ> Prof_Frink: I didn't know that, it's been quite long time :-x 15:46:30 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:46:32 <nicfer> a track that allows both regular steam/diesel/(electric)/monorail tracks 15:46:35 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wired-65.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 15:46:45 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 15:47:01 <petern> 16:40 <@petern> it'll be easy with my railtypes code 15:47:01 <petern> 16:40 <@petern> you can make a grf that'll make all rail types compatible 15:47:11 <petern> maybe i'm talking to myself :s 15:47:29 <SmatZ> :-( 15:47:34 <TrueBrain> [17:40] <TrueBrain> petern: so finish it! :) 15:47:37 <TrueBrain> :p 15:49:13 <petern> 16:47 <@petern> give me beer 15:49:22 <petern> [16:47] <TrueBrain> petern: okay 15:49:45 <TrueBrain> petern: weird IRC client you have, it randomly changes timestamp format :p 15:49:57 <petern> madness i say 15:50:34 <TrueBrain> there, beer 15:50:48 <SmatZ> mmmm beer 15:50:56 <SmatZ> reminds me of fridge :) 15:51:03 <TrueBrain> it takes 12 minutes to revalidate all WT3 strings ... 15:51:10 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:13 <petern> slow! 15:51:21 <TrueBrain> yup 15:51:57 <TrueBrain> 167,701 records + 10,116 records .. 15:52:36 <Forked> beer. good! 15:52:42 <TrueBrain> I send petern some beer 15:52:44 <TrueBrain> I hope he likes it 15:53:49 <SmatZ> /proc/self < /dev/beer 15:54:19 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: you want beer too? 15:54:31 <TrueBrain> there 15:54:42 <SmatZ> thank you, TrueBrain 15:55:10 <TrueBrain> I can send beer for free to everyone :) 15:55:36 <TrueBrain> email is such a nice invention 15:55:53 <Forked> I sense a dissapointment in the ..brewing 15:55:58 <Forked> heheheheh.. I kill myself.. 15:56:09 <TrueBrain> please don't 15:56:14 <TrueBrain> then we have to explain that to the cops and stuff 15:56:17 <TrueBrain> was annoying enough last time 15:56:37 <Forked> was it someone who didn't get their ÃŒberpatch into trunk? 15:58:02 * TrueBrain slaps planetmaker for breaking my validation routine: 15:58:06 <TrueBrain> "{GOLD}Wir haben {G "einen" "eine" "ein" ""} neue{G n "" s ""} {0:STRING} entwickelt. {}Besteht Interesse, {G 0 den die das die} {0:STRING} ein Jahr lang exklusiv zu nutzen, so dass wir die Funktionen testen können, bevor {G 0 er sie es sie} allgemein zur VerfÃŒgung gestellt {G 0 wird wird wird werden}?" 15:58:15 <TrueBrain> twice using {0:STRING} ... pfff .. 15:58:18 <Forked> you're pasting puke onto my screen :\ 16:02:37 <TrueBrain> of the 167k strings, there are 5k strings marked as 'possible invalid' :) Not bad ;) 16:03:12 <TrueBrain> of the 167k strings, there are 136k strings of which I can't figure out the author 16:03:34 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: received your beer :) 16:03:44 <SmatZ> mmm stout :) 16:03:53 <TrueBrain> a real Beer from Stout, yes :) 16:04:00 <SmatZ> :-) 16:04:08 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: and I promise you this, if you ever visit me, you will get a real one :) 16:04:20 <SmatZ> you are very kind :) 16:04:24 <TrueBrain> 880 strings have cases 16:04:36 <TrueBrain> lol ... I think we can safely say that cases are a useless addition to strgen :p 16:04:47 <petern> hmm? 16:04:52 <TrueBrain> 527 strings have a gender .. 16:04:57 <TrueBrain> (out of the 167k!) 16:05:02 <petern> it's just german :p 16:06:36 <TrueBrain> we have 3271 strings, 92 command, and 3609 commands used in all the strings 16:07:08 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 7787 16:07:08 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by miham :: r7787 /trunk/src/lang (7 files in 2 dirs) (2007-01-03 06:50:31 UTC) 16:07:09 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-01-03 07:49:50 16:07:10 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: czech - 2 changed by joeprusa (2) 16:07:11 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: danish - 80 changed by MiR (80) 16:07:12 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: esperanto - 1 fixed, 3 changed by LaPingvino (4) 16:07:13 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: (...) 16:07:18 <TrueBrain> since begin 2007 there were 681 language commits 16:07:25 <TrueBrain> enough useless stats :) 16:09:09 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db013ce.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:10:12 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=43313 <-- /me votes to remove the console. One day, it will be asked to shutdown the computer from the console 16:10:28 <SmatZ> hehe 16:10:56 * SmatZ doesn't really care 16:11:15 <SmatZ> except every console command means ~50 lines of code 16:11:51 <TrueBrain> sq_console required :p 16:13:58 <SmatZ> indeed 16:14:10 <TrueBrain> not that it reduces the amount of lines needed to add something 16:14:13 <TrueBrain> but at least it makes it easier :) 16:14:15 <SmatZ> so everyone can code her/his own commands 16:14:23 <SmatZ> with limitations though... 16:16:35 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 16:17:26 <Belugas> sometimes, when he calms down, richk is reasonnable. and makes sens here and there 16:17:32 <TrueBrain> Belugas: yup 16:17:33 <glx> [17:18:51] <TrueBrain> lol, mixed up a != and == ... oops <-- I noticed the same thing in ottd_depend last night :) 16:17:40 <TrueBrain> glx: ghehe :) 16:18:10 <glx> anyway makedepend really miss a lot of dependencies 16:18:20 <Belugas> sq_console? i tough it was dead. Is it? 16:18:29 <glx> (while my version has one too many) 16:18:40 <TrueBrain> Belugas: till someone revive it ;) 16:18:47 <TrueBrain> glx: ghehe :) Which one? 16:19:04 <glx> osx_stdafx.h 16:19:46 <TrueBrain> nasty :) 16:20:00 <Belugas> dihedral! to the breath to breath ressurection! 16:20:15 <Belugas> p.s: i do not care, really... it was just out of curiosity 16:20:32 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/makefile.dep.diff 16:20:48 <glx> (oh and my version is "compatible" with makedepend 16:21:00 <TrueBrain> glx: I told makedepend to ignore the objs dir, so that is correct :) 16:21:27 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0F3AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:35 <TrueBrain> +yapf/yapf_ship.o: /d/developpement/ottd/trunk/src/depot_map.h <- weird! :) 16:22:07 <TrueBrain> glx: looks good :) How did you solve #if? Via a lexer? 16:22:19 <glx> #if is not solved yet :) 16:22:35 <glx> that's why osx_stdafx.h is in 16:22:41 <TrueBrain> ah :) 16:22:51 <TrueBrain> if that is the only file, there isn't a real problem ;) 16:22:55 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:22:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:23:31 <glx> ai/api/ai_company.o: /d/developpement/ottd/trunk/src/string_func.h 16:23:31 <glx> +ai/api/ai_company.o: /d/developpement/ottd/trunk/src/string_type.h 16:23:31 <glx> ai/api/ai_company.o: /d/developpement/ottd/trunk/src/strings_func.h 16:23:47 <glx> string_type.h included by string_func.h ;) 16:24:09 <TrueBrain> glx: finish your tool, and add it! :p 16:24:12 <TrueBrain> I got to go :) Have a good night all!! 16:24:19 <Bjarni> night TrueBrain 16:24:33 <Bjarni> (a bit early though) 16:24:57 <Xaroth> sesamestreet is done, TB goes to sleep 16:25:00 * Xaroth runs for the hills 16:25:10 <Bjarni> LOL 16:25:19 <nicfer> /0/ 16:25:49 <Xaroth> (he is so going to stab me for that.. or kick) 16:25:50 <Bjarni> speaking of sesamestreet, did you know that they added a HIV positive kid in the version they show in South Africa? 16:26:16 <Xaroth> o_O 16:26:17 <Bjarni> should be something about "this is common and you shouldn't lock out kids with HIV" 16:26:23 <Xaroth> sorry, I haven't followed that since i was.. 5? 16:26:33 <Bjarni> I have never actually seen it 16:27:11 <Bjarni> I just read that they decided to use it to tell children not to fear people with HIV and somewhere else they use it to tell people that it's ok to be black 16:27:30 * Belugas walks down the street and eat all the sesameseeds 16:27:32 <SmatZ> because yeah, STDs aren't dangerous 16:27:51 <Bjarni> kids shouldn't get STDs anyway 16:28:13 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46164.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:34 <SmatZ> not when they are 5, but they can when they are ~17 16:29:24 <SmatZ> I think it's better to have fear of terminal diseases... 16:29:38 * Belugas fears STB 16:29:47 <SmatZ> :-D 16:29:56 <SmatZ> what's STB for you? 16:29:57 <Belugas> Stupid Teenager Behaviours 16:29:59 <Xaroth> SmatZ: 17? bit optimistic innit? 16:30:24 <Belugas> SmatZ is in a country where sexual relations never occur before wedding 16:30:34 <Belugas> note: He is not married yet! 16:30:35 <SmatZ> Xaroth: optimistic in what way? it's average age of first sexual intercourse here 16:31:48 <Patrick> it's not really a bug as such 16:32:07 <Patrick> oil platform spawning doesn't take into account the new freeform edges 16:32:22 <Patrick> as it happens I only have one lake that cuts a map edge 16:32:30 <Patrick> after 50 years it has 10 oil platforms in it 16:32:57 <petern> 17:32 16:33:07 <SmatZ> everytime new industry is about to be spawned, it is tried 5000 times 16:33:26 <SmatZ> it doesn't have anything to do with freeform edges 16:33:34 <SmatZ> it's caused by low amount of water in your map 16:34:22 * Belugas has an urgent need to find ways to create regions in OpenTTD 16:34:23 <Patrick> yes 16:34:25 <SmatZ> "it is tried 5000 times" <-- generating random tile and testing, if the industry can be placed there 16:34:33 <Belugas> would make things on awfull lot easier 16:34:42 <Patrick> I know it's not the industry generator's fault 16:34:53 <Patrick> but the end result is unintended and looks rubbish. 16:35:11 <SmatZ> you can use a GRF that checks for industries of the same type nearby :) 16:35:14 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 16:35:30 <Patrick> or I can disable that option in the game 16:35:42 <Patrick> it's not an addon-able 16:36:10 <Patrick> it'd just be a nice afterthought to scale the frequency of oil platform generation by the types of the edges 16:36:28 <Patrick> I suppose the same thing could happen before, if you terraformed flat right up to the edge of the map as close as possible 16:37:32 <Belugas> actually, that's right... when all edged map, should disable on water industry generation 16:37:35 <Belugas> or something 16:38:21 <planetmaker> hehe @ TrueBrain - validate better :) And just for notice, that sentence is older than my participation here :) 16:38:29 <Pikka> eh? @ Belugas 16:38:39 <Pikka> who says a water-based industry has to be against an edge? 16:39:26 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:39:26 <Belugas> The code :) 16:39:26 <Belugas> /* These are always placed next to the coastline, so we scale by the perimeter instead. */ 16:39:26 <Belugas> num = (ind_spc->check_proc == CHECK_REFINERY || ind_spc->check_proc == CHECK_OIL_RIG) ? ScaleByMapSize1D(num) : ScaleByMapSize(num); 16:40:55 <Pikka> oh... 16:41:19 <Pikka> well, that's oil rigs, that's not "water-based industries"... >_> although I wonder... 16:41:36 <Belugas> well... technically, we do not have "oil rigs" 16:41:40 <frosch123> yup, only default industries 16:41:43 <Belugas> it's a behavioral flag 16:41:49 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:42:33 <Belugas> and creation check too 16:42:39 <Pikka> will it place industries on water without that flag set? 16:43:42 * Belugas is checking, just to see if not over speaking... 16:44:21 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: " 16:44:22 <Belugas> tile placement: 16:44:22 <TrueBrain> Last Change 16:44:22 <Belugas> /* Perform land/water check if not disabled */ 16:44:23 <Belugas> if (!HasBit(its->slopes_refused, 5) && (IsWaterTile(cur_tile) == !(ind_behav & INDUSTRYBEH_BUILT_ONWATER))) return false; 16:44:24 <TrueBrain> Unknown (revision 16118, 3 days ago) 16:44:25 <TrueBrain> " 16:44:27 <TrueBrain> Don't know how old you are ;) 16:45:10 <TrueBrain> oh, I was going .. hehe! :) Bye :) 16:47:10 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.213.151] has joined #openttd 16:47:12 <Belugas> mmmh... strange.... i just realized the both oil rig and oil refinery are bound to the same check of oil_refinery_limit 16:47:32 * Belugas closes code and resume drawing 16:47:36 <SmatZ> :o) 16:48:22 * frosch123 is cofused by the discussio 16:48:23 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:48:31 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:49:45 <frosch123> the only at coastline rule only applies to default industries and is disabled when a newgrf overrides those industries 16:50:40 * SmatZ is confused by frosch123 16:52:29 <Belugas> mmh? 16:52:57 <Belugas> somehow... i think i remember something about that indeed... 16:54:50 <Belugas> /* If the grf industry needs to check its surounding upon creation, it should 16:54:50 <Belugas> * rely on callbacks, not on the original placement functions */ 16:54:50 <Belugas> indsp->check_proc = CHECK_NOTHING; 16:54:51 <Belugas> yup 16:55:06 <Belugas> a cookie for frosch123 16:55:35 <frosch123> :O 16:55:54 <Bjarni> my browser gets cookies all the time 16:56:02 <Bjarni> there is nothing special about getting a cookie :P 16:56:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe7c5.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:56:21 <Bjarni> oh a real cookie 16:56:33 <Bjarni> then opening the mouth is all right ^^ 16:57:26 <Belugas> don't colse your eyes then... never know if it would be a real cookie or another word starting with "C" 16:57:28 <Belugas> close 16:57:30 <Belugas> ;) 16:58:56 <Bjarni> good point 16:59:19 <Bjarni> though some might open their mouth because of this >.< 16:59:49 <Bjarni> and everybody you meet online are weird until proven otherwise 16:59:54 <Belugas> depend of definition of "some" 17:00:19 <Bjarni> some = a group of people of undefined size 17:00:26 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:36 <Bjarni> could be 5 people and it could be a billion 17:01:47 <Belugas> [13:02] <@Bjarni> some = a group of people of undefined size <-- was not really wondering about that... rather the gender of "some" 17:02:01 * Belugas is not the orgy type of guy 17:03:17 <Bjarni> lol 17:03:29 <Bjarni> I didn't mean it like that 17:03:59 <Bjarni> never ever heard about an orgy of a billion people 17:04:02 <Belugas> you did!!!! Wordds don't lie!!! 17:04:28 *** LebQzz [~prosit@86.52.62.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:57 <Bjarni> I meant it like you can make a group of people and if you take any one of those and place in the previous described situation they will likely open the mouth 17:05:12 <Bjarni> I didn't mean to place all of them in the room at the same time 17:05:15 *** LebQzz [~prosit@86.52.62.123] has joined #openttd 17:05:26 <Bjarni> ... that would be some house if it had a room big enough to do that 17:07:06 <Bjarni> also in there modern and free time the group of "some" isn't gender specific 17:08:32 <Belugas> granted 17:08:37 <Belugas> less fun 17:08:42 * Belugas goes back to work 17:08:58 <Xaroth> for those who missed it yesterday, I updated AutoTTD to 0.1.1.6 : http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43252 17:09:15 <petern> home! 17:12:14 <Patrick> argh 17:12:38 <Patrick> I've proven that operating a line at a greater train density than the traffic jam self-propogation 17:12:45 <Patrick> is a PAIN IN THE ARSE 17:12:50 <Patrick> it's like juggling babies 17:13:42 <petern> pom pom pom 17:13:55 <Belugas> ANYTHING is les painfull than dealing with babies 17:13:59 <Belugas> believe me 17:14:09 <Bjarni> I disagree 17:14:17 <Belugas> a cup of coffee petern? 17:14:19 <Bjarni> and I will prove you wrong 17:14:26 * Bjarni kicks Belugas in the groin region 17:14:32 <Belugas> show me the picture of your son, Bjarni 17:14:36 <petern> nah, beer :D 17:14:50 <De_Ghosty> you could build buffers into the tracks :o 17:14:51 <petern> although 17:14:51 <Belugas> beer makes you sleepy :P 17:14:54 <petern> i have water right now 17:14:56 <petern> oh right yeah 17:14:58 <petern> hmm 17:14:59 <Bjarni> ... 17:15:00 <petern> tea 17:15:00 <petern> :D 17:15:03 <petern> hmm 17:15:11 * petern practices 17:15:12 <Bjarni> I don't recall ever telling Belugas about my son 17:15:31 <Bjarni> Belugas: what can you tell me about him? 17:17:13 <Belugas> that's the whole point, Bjarni. :D you did not lived the baby crisis at 21:00h, 23:00h, 2:00h, 4:00h and all other variations/additions for over a year and a half ;) 17:17:30 <Belugas> tea is good :D 17:19:21 <Bjarni> ... 17:19:33 * Bjarni wonders why Belugas presumes all children to be male 17:20:08 <Belugas> son... daughter... a baby is a baby. sorry... i wrote "son" out of habit :) 17:21:03 <frosch123> omg, anyone ever used an editor that terminates on ctrl-c :/ 17:21:14 <Bjarni> yeah 17:21:32 <Bjarni> I used one yesterday 17:21:33 <Bjarni> I think 17:21:39 * Bjarni checks 17:21:42 <glx> would be fun on windows :) 17:21:55 <frosch123> I mean without asking! 17:22:03 <Bjarni> hmm 17:22:06 <Bjarni> didn't terminate 17:22:18 <Bjarni> but I'm pretty sure I tried one at one time 17:22:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:22:32 <Bjarni> maybe it was an earlier version 17:22:56 <Bjarni> mac has the benefit of not copying text with control-c though 17:23:12 <Wolf01> hola 17:23:54 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16136 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix (r16095)[FS#2858]: sometimes autorail wouldn't work; seems to be primarily for OSX users though 17:24:09 <petern> special 17:25:25 <Rubidium> frosch123: does sed count as an editor? 17:25:56 <frosch123> yes, my favorite one :) 17:27:42 <Rubidium> then I've used an editor that terminates on ctrl-c 17:28:24 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:29:02 * Bjarni wonders when somebody will make a macrovirus to tell MS Word to terminate on ctrl-c 17:29:14 <Bjarni> that would be annoying 17:31:42 <Wolf01> another annoying thing is the number of hotkeys presets on visual studio, I use ctrl+\ for the ~ (since I don't have it on my keyboard and fn+alt+0126 doesn't work, and I take less time copying it from the charmap if I need to enable the numlock) 17:31:42 <Forked> nah.. it should empty the clipboard on ctrl-v as well as empty the undo log when you use ctrl-z 17:33:21 <Belugas> hotkeys for debugging are not the same in MSVC or in Delphi IDE 17:33:29 * Belugas is all confused 17:34:04 <Wolf01> luckily you can change the preset, I'm used with VB6 hotkeys since I use it @work 17:34:22 <Wolf01> and I cleared almost all other ctrl+something hotkeys 17:44:09 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16137 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 17:44:09 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-24 17:43:46 17:44:09 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: catalan - 15 fixed by arnaullv (15) 17:44:09 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: czech - 2 changed by Hadez (2) 17:44:09 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: estonian - 28 changed by kristjans (28) 17:44:09 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: german - 2 changed by planetmaker (2) 17:44:11 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 32 fixed by Gubius (32) 17:44:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:52 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:48 <planetmaker> Rubidium: why should autorail not have worked primarily for OS-X users? 17:49:49 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-66-158.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 17:50:16 <planetmaker> neither Ammler nor SmatZ use it, do they? 17:50:32 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-160.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:50:34 <Rubidium> thought Ammler was OSX 17:50:42 <Rubidium> for Ammler is was totally broken 17:50:58 <Rubidium> if it was totally broken for Windows people would've complained way earlier 17:50:58 <planetmaker> it's linux 17:51:22 <Rubidium> for SmatZ it works fine, but with graphical glitches 17:51:27 <planetmaker> I had the probably the same glitches as SmatZ 17:51:28 <Rubidium> only leaves OSX ;) 17:51:32 <planetmaker> :P 17:52:07 <planetmaker> Ammler's computer runs SuSE linux 17:52:29 <Rubidium> odd, cause the code flow for that should be exactly the same 17:52:40 <planetmaker> yeah. 17:52:41 <Rubidium> ah well... it's just that stuff is usually broken for OSX ;) 17:52:50 <planetmaker> :S 17:53:05 <frosch123> Rubidium: It also did not work for me, when clicking very fast/short 17:53:36 <frosch123> like unpressing the mousebutton before OnTimeout or so 17:53:46 <planetmaker> from what I saw, I guess it might have been an issue, if this computer was slower with the test game 17:54:01 <planetmaker> anyway. Doesn't matter actually :) 17:54:27 <planetmaker> it's just that you seem to develop a mac antipathy as my boss ;) 17:57:53 <Rubidium> nah, more big stupid corporations 17:58:56 *** LUADuck [~LUADuck@79-64-254-124.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:59:02 <LUADuck> Silly autobans! 18:02:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:34 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.247] has left #openttd [] 18:13:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:19:53 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 18:20:43 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [] 18:21:39 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C60F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C334.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:53 *** [wito] [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:20 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 18:30:40 *** free_kill [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:50 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:35:00 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:42 *** LUADuck [~LUADuck@79-64-254-124.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:14 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-169-251.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:39:59 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Quit: Final reboot] 18:41:12 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 18:47:38 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 18:49:02 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 18:58:15 <Belugas> o_O 18:58:19 <Belugas> no wonder it fails... 18:58:30 <Belugas> i forgot to insert the new route as permanent 18:58:36 <Belugas> a\i rebooted and ... booo 18:58:38 <Belugas> gone 18:58:51 * Belugas kicks himself 19:21:20 <petern> you better give up and go home 19:23:13 <Belugas> lol 19:27:37 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.85.213.151] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet704.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:43:17 <Belugas> Kinda I want To 19:49:18 <fjb> "... binaries for all platforms availlable..." Looks like I'm not using any platform. 19:53:37 <Rubidium> then you're using an unknown platform (to OpenTTD) 19:55:23 <fjb> I was citing Ammler... 19:57:15 <Rubidium> that I knew 19:57:35 <Rubidium> it's equally strange as a release candidate of a beta 19:59:20 <fjb> Yes, a bit strange. I never thought to find a binary for my platform. But "all" is "all". :-) 20:01:50 <frosch123> hmm, btw. on freebsd: do you also have to preceed every command with a 'g' do get a useful tool? (ggrep, gpatch, gdiff, ...) 20:02:44 <glx> frosch123: that's a known fact :) 20:02:50 <Rubidium> then start greebsd 20:03:57 * Alberth was thinking gnubsd, but both sides won't like that :p 20:05:39 <fjb> Useful commands don't start with a "g". Most commands starting with a "g" are a pain (e.g. gtar). 20:07:50 <frosch123> don't know, hardly use tar. but can you grep subdirectory recursively? can you create unified diffs? and can you apply them somewhere else (without the 'g' tool) 20:08:22 <frosch123> resp. does patch say more than 'failed' 20:08:56 <fjb> Ofcourse all that works. 20:09:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:54 <frosch123> ok, thanks :) I needed to know whether the 'g' stuff is the only sane stuff out there, or whether solaris is the only crap out there :p 20:11:07 <fjb> Solaris is a bit crappy sometimes. "g" stuff is always different from the rest of the UNIX world, but it is not always better or saner. :-) 20:12:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-68-42.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:12:23 <fjb> But "g" stuff is usually cluser to Solaris (System V) than to BSD. 20:12:32 <fjb> closer 20:23:43 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:53 <Belugas> fuck 20:33:54 <Belugas> again 20:34:06 <Prof_Frink> OK. 20:34:24 <Belugas> before Chip N Pin : transaction type : Swiped, Manual 20:34:39 <Belugas> now : Swiped, Manual, Contactless, Inserted 20:34:46 <Belugas> youhou 20:34:56 <Belugas> my fucntion was just a boolean 20:34:58 <Belugas> youhou 20:35:14 <Belugas> so i need a new function export for the library 20:35:18 <Belugas> youhou 20:41:03 <petern> :s 20:41:15 <Prof_Frink> :t 20:41:24 <petern> :u 20:41:51 <Prof_Frink> :wq 20:43:51 <petern> :x 20:46:20 * Wolf01 > /dev/null 20:46:49 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:51:00 *** [wito] [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 20:57:28 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ZZ] 20:59:46 *** Sacro is now known as Shinarkoo 21:05:54 <Belugas> time to go home boyz and ... men 21:06:07 <Wolf01> bye Belugas 21:07:07 <planetmaker> bye Belugas 21:07:34 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:05 *** Shinarkoo is now known as SacroficialChips 21:10:55 *** SacroficialChips is now known as Sacro 21:24:43 *** Razaekel [~ubersenti@c-68-41-208-171.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82387.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:31:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:36:35 <planetmaker> good night 21:41:31 *** Razaekel [~ubersenti@c-68-41-208-171.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 21:43:17 *** Polygon [~Poly@x14r4b.wh4.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 21:47:23 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 21:49:15 <Wolf01> 'night 21:49:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:51:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb24.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:05 *** Razaekel [~ubersenti@c-68-41-208-171.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:19 *** LebQzz [~prosit@86.52.62.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:56 *** LebQzz [~prosit@86.52.62.123] has joined #openttd 22:18:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051000147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:25:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:27:33 *** Razaekel [~ubersenti@c-68-41-208-171.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 22:27:36 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16138 /trunk/src/ (map.cpp map_func.h newgrf_industries.cpp): -Codechange: move GetClosestWaterDistance to map* 22:41:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82387.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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