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In old builds, when i add this file in newgrf-static section, game use this glyphs, not system fonts. But in 0.7.1 this settings ignored. What wrong i do OR something changed in game? 05:14:26 <Sacro> rtfm 05:14:46 <Sacro> which 'old builds'? 05:17:11 <Smoky555> 0.7.0, 0.7.1 RC1 05:17:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 05:22:41 <Sacro> Hmmm 05:22:52 <Sacro> might wanna file a bug then 05:24:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:28:44 <Smoky555> Sacro: it just use action12 ... can you look at it? 05:30:50 <Sacro> I'm no developer 05:31:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:36:21 <kkb110> 05:39:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 05:55:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 05:56:22 <Smoky555> RC1 - work fine (with russian glyphs) 05:56:27 <Smoky555> RC2 - fine 05:56:33 <Smoky555> RC3 - fine 05:56:45 <Smoky555> 0.7.1 final build - wrong :( 06:04:50 <Noldo_> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/branches/0.7.hg/file/e4960e9d1f99/changelog.txt 06:06:09 <SmatZ> Smoky555: probably the translator added strings that use gliphs not present in your file 06:06:15 <SmatZ> blame him :-p 06:06:28 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-85-242.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:07:39 <SmatZ> Smoky555: you can try copying the lang file from older version (no new strings were added, so it should work - but backup your lng file first) 06:08:13 <Smoky555> SmatZ: hmm... someone change many string in russian language file... thanks, i'll try 06:12:07 <Rubidium> kkb110: what is do you intend to do with the 'revision of 0.7.1 06:12:11 <Rubidium> kkb110: what is do you intend to do with the 'revision of 0.7.1' information? 06:12:35 <Rubidium> check out trunk at that revision and assume it is the same as 0.7.1? 06:14:11 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-85-242.umts.vodacom.co.za] has left #openttd [] 06:14:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:14:50 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:54 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 06:15:00 <SmatZ> @seen Xyzzy 06:15:00 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: I have not seen Xyzzy. 06:17:54 <petern> hmm 06:18:08 <petern> 0.7.1 should technically be 0.7.1-RC3 which the version number changed 06:18:32 <petern> it is silly to make RCs and then still do changes for the final release 06:19:53 <Rubidium> oh, petern wants to do the releases. Go ahead with them ;) 06:22:17 <Rubidium> and given the amount of people actually testing RCs I doubt that this would've been found during the RC stages 06:37:49 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-85-242.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:41:08 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:45:58 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:51:21 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 06:54:37 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:17:41 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9acd.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:20:13 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:27 *** maristo 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11:43:21 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:31 <alekibango> hello. how much is opengfx ready for Free release of openttd, for example on my live cd? when can i expect it to be ready? 11:46:56 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.254.3] has joined #openttd 11:47:34 <Phazorx> hola 11:47:37 *** SpComb^ [terom@fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 11:48:20 <Phazorx> got a general SDL dev question - can you point me towards some reading on blitters and overall SDL gfx efficiency optimization? 11:49:13 <planetmaker> alekibango, when it's done :) 11:51:02 <petern> www.libsdl.org ? 11:56:08 <alekibango> planetmaker: that means its still not ready for public and that you have no idea when it can be, right? 11:56:51 <alekibango> hmm do you think it will be before winter? 11:56:54 <alekibango> :) 11:57:01 <Ammler> of course 11:57:20 <frosch123> winter 2090 ? 11:57:24 <Ammler> heeh 11:57:45 <Phazorx> petern: well i was hoping for more details in form of a guide on dos and don'ts 11:57:52 <Phazorx> like general practices 12:03:03 <Phazorx> what ottd team used as guidance for example... why sw surfaces not hw, why no ogl renderer? 12:04:19 <alekibango> Phazorx: imho there are still computers without GL capabilities 12:04:42 <Phazorx> alekibango: as well as computers that have DOS 12:05:00 <frosch123> you can compile ottd also with allegro instead of sdl 12:05:01 <alekibango> for live cd using free software it is more suitable without GL 12:05:35 <alekibango> Phazorx: licenses, bugs etc... i for one welcome the good old and working approach :) 12:05:50 <Phazorx> alekibango: it can be an option rather than mandatory renderer 12:06:00 <alekibango> oki :) 12:06:15 <alekibango> but i am not a developer here :) 12:06:35 <alekibango> gradual zooming would be nice too 12:06:41 <alekibango> (using gl) 12:06:53 <Phazorx> probaby will come at a price 12:06:57 <Phazorx> hefty price 12:06:58 <alekibango> and rotating... 12:07:17 <Phazorx> and rotating isnt really possible w/o changes to all gfx 12:07:55 <Phazorx> i was more thinking within lines of using gl surfaces and not doing bliting with cpu 12:07:57 <alekibango> few years of using blender could help 12:08:16 <Phazorx> well... that i a major change rather than what i was leaning to 12:08:42 <alekibango> :) 12:08:56 <alekibango> just few years of work... :) 12:09:07 <Phazorx> aint really worth it imho 12:09:14 <Phazorx> pixel gfx ftw 12:11:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ac23:515d:1a6d:a0dc] has joined #openttd 12:11:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:11:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 12:13:40 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:13:57 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:44 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:19:43 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: 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And only do what they like to do :) I think we need especially people who draw these damn faces... 12:23:35 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-93-86.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #openttd 12:23:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.83] has joined #openttd 12:27:12 <planetmaker> it will be only really play-able when all sprites have been replaced by at least *something* 12:32:18 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-93-86.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:28 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:55 <alekibango> planetmaker: ic. i am not a good artist, but i can test it, shipt it, create live cd... 12:42:13 <alekibango> and maybe create few faces using makehuman :)) but for now without hairs 12:43:07 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9acd.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:26 <planetmaker> alekibango, the faces need to be done in parts... it's not one image. They're kinda modular. 12:47:48 <planetmaker> Testing can be done by anyone who likes (and is appreciated a lot). 12:48:25 <alekibango> ic... you need someone who will finish the hard job. i know this is hard task for free software projects (i manage one)... 12:48:27 <planetmaker> Current development snapshots (nightlies) are available form the development site: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx 12:48:54 <petern> burp 12:48:56 <planetmaker> yes. The usualy *someone* 12:49:14 <planetmaker> He has unfortunately so many tasks already :P 12:49:20 <alekibango> yes :) 12:49:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F683.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:14 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:52:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:38 <alekibango> btw nice european manager faces... but i think they are unnatural with naked shoulders... some clothes would be nice 13:01:30 <planetmaker> nah. That's the new trend in management. :P 13:02:10 <planetmaker> Less time spent on appearance, more spent on actual work. :P 13:02:21 <alekibango> lol, like topolanek and berlusconi :) 13:02:44 <planetmaker> see :) exactly :P 13:02:53 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.195.216] has joined #openttd 13:03:00 <alekibango> hehe 13:08:38 *** Dominik [~Dominik@ip-62-143-122-45.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 13:09:30 <Belugas> hello 13:10:03 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 13:11:07 <petern> hi 13:20:56 *** Tron__ [~tron@e179182228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:24:31 *** Tron_ [~tron@f051149143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:09 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.195.216] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:34:35 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:38:37 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-93-86.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #openttd 13:46:31 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-93-86.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:29 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 13:56:50 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-1-9.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:58:11 *** SpComb^ [terom@fixme.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:59:16 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-1-9.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:54 <Belugas> grrrr.. one day out of the office and see the mess that needs to be cleaned :S 14:00:57 <Belugas> lovely 14:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i see two solutions to the problem ;) 14:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> a) never go out of the office 14:02:52 <Eddi|zuHause> b) never go into the office 14:03:11 <Yexo> c) make sure no-one else gets into the office 14:03:17 <alekibango> c) become trash cleaner 14:03:40 *** Dominik [~Dominik@ip-62-143-122-45.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:50 <petern> d) play on the guitar 14:05:25 <alekibango> btw the music in original ttd is so nice! 14:05:35 <petern> the original ttd, eh? 14:05:35 <alekibango> i still am listening to it, even without playing 14:06:01 <alekibango> i even play my guitar along :) 14:06:17 <alekibango> (not right now, but wait few secs...) 14:07:14 <alekibango> do you hear my guitar? lol 14:07:30 <alekibango> :) this irc is obsolete, lets use mumble 14:08:16 <petern> we use ninjam 14:08:33 <alekibango> oh, it is really used? i was just reading about it 14:08:54 <Ammler> irc is better for ignoring... 14:09:09 <alekibango> ignore repeated comments 14:09:16 <petern> yes 14:09:20 <petern> it takes some getting used to 14:09:31 <alekibango> i have to try 14:09:42 <petern> as you don't play together but separated by a bar's (or two) latency 14:09:54 <petern> unfortunately the internet is not instant :( 14:11:05 <alekibango> i have been reading about some low latency internet audio jam server... forgot the name... 14:11:17 <alekibango> but i can imagine it is not as low latency as we need 14:11:52 <alekibango> is tehere ninjam irc chan? 14:13:08 <petern> dunno, not seen one 14:15:32 <Phazorx> damn... anyone got tes4 oblivion installed and some time? 14:15:34 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r16561 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [NoAI]: AIMarine::AreWaterTilesConnected didn't return true for bridge head<>neighbouring water tile 14:17:17 <alekibango> petern: what instrument do you play? 14:17:26 <petern> keyboard 14:17:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r16562 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Revert (r16561) 14:18:53 <Belugas> i like b) solution 14:19:04 <Belugas> too bad it's impossible to achieve 14:19:15 <Belugas> and d) is my overall best :) 14:19:53 <Belugas> ninjam's lag is bareable 14:20:11 <Belugas> in fact, over one or two sessions, you get quite used to it 14:20:28 <petern> well it's not lag 14:20:33 <petern> it's by design 14:20:36 <Belugas> true 14:20:37 <alekibango> ic... listening 14:21:20 <Phazorx> are there any tools that can normally open installshield cab files? 14:21:37 <petern> # you fucking whore 14:21:40 <petern> # that's all you are 14:21:56 <alekibango> this recording is interesting ... even includes alex... http://autosong.ninjam.com/mp3.php/20090507_1702_1803-nt-thenextda-doc_Mc__1.mp3 14:22:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Phazorx: yes 14:22:25 <petern> there's all sorts on the public ninjam servers 14:22:40 <petern> well mostly guitarists, but drummers, keyboardists and singers too 14:22:54 <alekibango> i can do percussions too 14:23:08 <alekibango> was singing, but lost my voice 14:23:23 <Belugas> the biggest problem, the really biggest one is not relevant to injam 14:23:29 <Belugas> it's a personnal issue 14:23:33 <Belugas> called time-zones 14:23:46 <petern> yeah 14:23:53 <alekibango> :) 14:23:55 <Belugas> fucking hurdle 14:24:03 <alekibango> too loud for people around... :)) 14:24:06 <petern> playing with people you don't know is... just not the same 14:24:12 <Belugas> yup 14:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i play in a real orchestra 14:24:53 <Belugas> see, alekibango, petern is on the european continent, while i'm on the american one 14:25:28 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, that's true, it's always better, but sometimes, having players with matching tastes is not really possible 14:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you know the people, and they are generally in the same time zone ;) 14:25:49 <petern> my kit is not portable either :/ 14:26:00 <Belugas> ho... that too :D 14:26:15 <alekibango> so in ninjam you can play for example basic 12 blues and jam around it? 14:26:20 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause "generally" is the keyword 14:26:25 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: care to share a name of one that works? 14:26:29 <Belugas> alekibango : yup 14:26:35 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:53 <alekibango> ninjam seems to be friendly to standards and classic blues :) 14:26:55 *** Yexo is now known as Guest175 14:26:55 *** Guest175 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:56 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 14:27:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Phazorx: i forgot the name, but i believe when i tried cabextract, it told me the name 14:27:27 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:38 <petern> hmm, although i guess i can manage fine on a laptop. maybe i should get a decent performing one 14:27:49 <Phazorx> i hve a few but they fail in this particular case 14:27:50 <alekibango> btw i would love to find people playing the style -- teh same as ttd music is... i found 1 who is now mostly not reachable... 14:28:01 <Phazorx> could be an issue of archive be split between many big files 14:28:21 <petern> hmm, are there any powerful netbooks? heh 14:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause> then i can't help you. Phazorx. 14:29:05 <Belugas> alekibango: ninjam is good for quite a variety of styles, in fact 14:29:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r16563 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_marine.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: AIMarine::AreWaterTilesConnected didn't return true for bridge head<>neighbouring water tile 14:29:16 <Belugas> you just need a good inspiration 14:29:19 <petern> as long as it's repetitive 14:29:23 <Belugas> yup 14:29:43 <Phazorx> thanks anyway 14:31:29 <alekibango> i will try to install it... and i will come later to ping you if i will need sparing partner :) 14:31:29 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-31-213.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:32:28 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:36:15 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm68.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:39:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r16564 /trunk/projects/ (langs_vs80.vcproj langs_vs90.vcproj): -Revert (r16561, r16562): english_rev doesn't belong in trunk (and certainly not twice) 14:39:40 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-31-213.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:58 <Belugas> damned... i want to JAM!! 14:44:05 <Noldo_> o!k 14:44:07 <Belugas> not WORK !!! 14:44:26 <Noldo_> i'm booting a virtual machine from the net 14:48:09 <petern> how exciting! 14:48:20 <alekibango> sorry for going OT, but make on my ninjam linux source (amd64 debian) -> ../njclient.cpp:169: error: cast from 'WDL_HeapBuf*' to 'int' loses precision 14:48:47 <petern> hehe 14:48:55 <petern> for a quick fix, change int to long 14:49:13 <petern> not technically right but it'll compile, ish 14:49:34 <alekibango> which int ? all ints? :) 14:49:46 <petern> just on that line 14:49:55 <petern> there's a cast to int 14:50:04 <petern> it's abusing pointers :/ 14:50:10 <_ln> does someone know what insect this is: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/elain4.jpg 14:50:59 <glx> we call it perce-oreille here, but I don't know the real name 14:51:19 <petern> earwig 14:51:43 <glx> Forficula auricularia 14:51:45 <alekibango> heh compiled finally 14:51:57 <petern> there's a bug in WDL/rsa.h too 14:52:00 <alekibango> petern: i am not a c guy. i love python 14:52:05 <petern> prevents authentication 14:52:10 <petern> they used longs instead of ints there :/ 14:52:10 <alekibango> ? 14:52:19 <Noldo_> _ln: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopihtih%C3%A4nt%C3%A4 14:52:24 <petern> but it works with anonymous user, so no problem 14:52:32 <alekibango> Noldo_: nice :)) 14:52:38 <alekibango> i love this bug 14:53:07 <petern> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earwig 14:53:09 <_ln> glx, Noldo_: looks same, thanks 14:53:28 <_ln> bought some cherries from spain... 14:53:31 <alekibango> _ln: do not put it into your ears lol 14:53:37 <_ln> it died 14:54:02 <Phazorx> it actualy an underground creature dangerous mostly to potatos 14:54:03 <Noldo_> I just followed the wikipedia links from the name glx gace 14:54:06 <Noldo_> *gave 14:54:13 <alekibango> there are many urban stories about people going really mad after it went in the ear... 14:54:29 <petern> alekibango, my nan had to have one removed ... 14:54:40 <petern> they were like "oh, they don't really go in ears" 14:55:11 <petern> you'd go mad from the tickling, i bet 14:55:18 <alekibango> uh.... petern, thats ugly 14:56:40 <alekibango> petern: ... back to our bug in ninjam preventing the auth... is there a diff somewhere? 14:57:03 <alekibango> it would be nice to allow jackd to be used... 14:57:22 <petern> there's a version with jackd 14:57:25 <petern> support 14:57:35 <alekibango> would allow creox etc 14:59:15 <alekibango> petern: how did they get it out of the ear? 14:59:41 <alekibango> i would use our plum brandy -> ear... that would kill the bug 14:59:48 <alekibango> lol 15:00:23 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:01:38 <petern> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ninjam.tar.gz 15:01:50 <petern> dunno 15:02:41 <alekibango> petern: ty, compiled 15:03:26 <alekibango> it might be good idea to talk about ninjam on #ninjam 15:03:28 <alekibango> :)) 15:03:34 * Belugas imagines snoring (therefor mouth opened) and swallowing a creaping thing 15:03:35 <Belugas> miam 15:03:42 <petern> Belugas, spiders 15:03:53 <Belugas> meunoum meunoummeunoummeunoummeunoum ! 15:04:00 <Belugas> vitamin!! 15:04:06 <Belugas> Blood is Life 15:06:50 <Singaporekid> blood sugars 15:07:43 <Belugas> #Brown Sugar 15:07:49 <Belugas> #How come you taste so good! 15:09:47 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 15:18:34 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:19:39 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 15:21:00 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:26:31 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:31 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:35 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 15:35:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F683.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:42 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:41:14 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 15:48:36 <petern> #TERRIBLE LIE 15:53:10 <alekibango> petern: obama like? 15:58:55 <petern> like trent 16:03:07 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 16:17:50 <Belugas> :) 16:18:58 <Belugas> run for cover!! 16:19:05 <Belugas> Richk67 is back :S 16:19:25 <petern> oh fuck 16:26:26 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:41 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 16:39:37 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:39:45 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:47:16 <Belugas> run away smurfs! here comes Azrael!! 16:56:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:51 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm68.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:13 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 17:24:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:59 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 17:26:04 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:47 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r16565 /trunk/src/lang/ (russian.txt unfinished/serbian.txt): 17:32:47 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-06-11 17:32:14 17:32:47 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: russian - 3 fixed, 1 deleted, 209 changed by Lone Wolf (213) 17:32:47 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: serbian - 95 fixed by etran (95) 17:34:32 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:04:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:05:32 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@90.241.168.36] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:14 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:46 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 18:25:20 <DJNekkid> guys ... a question ... is the Company Color completely random? 18:25:27 <DJNekkid> it seems to favor pink ALOT! 18:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it guesses your personality 18:26:02 <SmatZ> :-D 18:28:23 <DJNekkid> and on the serious side? 18:28:53 <SmatZ> it's 100% pseudorandom 18:28:58 <DJNekkid> i just did a test, started 10 new games, 5 turned out pink, 2 dark green, one of each red, light blue and orange 18:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and you think 10 is a "large number"? 18:29:43 <SmatZ> maybe there are more colours that are similiar to pink? 18:29:55 <DJNekkid> not large number, but i guess large enough to see a trend 18:30:56 <DJNekkid> you know, after 5 countries had given its votes, norway had a CLEAR lead in eurovision :p 18:31:11 <Belugas> it's a feature. Its goal is to make all males who are playing the game less prone to react on pink, therefor to kill homophobia 18:32:02 <SmatZ> :-p 18:32:27 <DJNekkid> lol... 18:32:29 <DJNekkid> well ... 18:32:53 <DJNekkid> i've just noticed that pink _seem_ to be favored during all testing i've done the last year or so ... 18:32:57 <DJNekkid> on newgrf i mean 18:34:22 <Belugas> it si a sign you have, therefor, not played the game long enough 18:34:29 <Belugas> keep on playing!! 18:34:56 <SmatZ> blue ; red ; orange ; red ; orange ; blue ; green ; blue 18:35:04 <Ammler> :-) 18:35:14 <SmatZ> started new game 8 times 18:35:16 <SmatZ> :-) 18:35:44 <DJNekkid> [20:24:23] <FooBar_> Yes, it appears so indeed. Half of the times I start a new test-game I end up being pink. And I don't like pink for screenshots :P 18:36:08 <DJNekkid> it's just not mee you see :) 18:36:16 <SmatZ> no pink for me, maybe because I don't have gay porn on my computer :-p 18:36:31 <SmatZ> (I hope) 18:36:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:09 <DJNekkid> i guess it's because you actually do have gay porn... it senses it, and therefor no need for pink trains 18:37:53 <SmatZ> hmm do shemales count? 18:38:21 <DJNekkid> well ... 18:38:24 <Belugas> #You can't Always Get what you want 18:38:38 <SmatZ> static const byte _colour_sort[COLOUR_END] = {2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 2, 3, 1, 1, 1}; 18:38:45 <SmatZ> so some colours have priority 18:38:49 <frosch123> since when is smatz argueing about colours? 18:39:15 <SmatZ> COLOUR_PINK COLOUR_RED COLOUR_GREEN COLOUR_BLUE 18:39:31 <SmatZ> frosch123: ;-) [20:29:41] <SmatZ> maybe there are more colours that are similiar to pink? 18:39:50 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:05 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 18:40:47 <SmatZ> and COLOUR_ORANGE 18:41:50 <SmatZ> hmm the way company colours are generated is really too complicated 18:43:35 <petern> nah, it's easy 18:43:52 <petern> if (user == DJNekkid) colour = pink; 18:44:23 <petern> Belugas, should try some time 18:44:28 <petern> he might just find 18:44:31 <SmatZ> :-) 18:44:35 <petern> he gets what he needs 18:44:46 <Belugas> hehe 18:46:16 *** andreiro18 [andreischr@89.36.61.235] has joined #openttd 18:47:25 <andreiro18> hy. can anyone tell me where can i find a patch or GRF with trolleybus 18:47:41 <andreiro18> i've searched entire web and found nothing 18:47:54 <andreiro18> please help 18:48:26 <andreiro18> i have open TTD 0.7.0 18:48:38 <andreiro18> latest stable ver from the main site 18:48:48 <petern> trams? 18:48:51 <Yexo> check again, latest stable is 0.7.1 18:49:25 <andreiro18> i'm sure 0.7.1 doesn't have trolleybuses to 18:49:25 <SmatZ> trolleybus = trams with empty track sprites :) 18:49:36 <SmatZ> I don't know if there is any GRF... 18:50:03 <andreiro18> i've searched on the forum and some users have posted pics with screenshots 18:50:17 <frosch123> I read several times the term "russian trolley bus", but they were just normal busses with a silly line drawn at the top 18:50:18 <andreiro18> and the posts are from 2005 18:50:26 <andreiro18> so loong time ago 18:50:44 <andreiro18> electric buses 18:50:53 <andythenorth> you could make one? 18:51:00 <andythenorth> grf coding isn't hard 18:51:00 <Yexo> andreiro18: it might help if you link us to those screenshots 18:51:06 <Yexo> maybe someone recognises them 18:51:13 <andreiro18> ok 18:51:16 <andreiro18> w8 a sec 18:51:37 * SmatZ w8s 18:51:41 <SmatZ> :-) 18:51:53 *** Noldo_ is now known as Noldo 18:51:53 <frosch123> how much do you w8? 18:52:06 <SmatZ> :^) 18:52:23 <Yexo> error: cannot convert 'sec' to 'kilogram' :) 18:52:33 <SmatZ> :-) 18:52:41 <Alberth> 'stone' then? 18:52:41 <andreiro18> weight a second 18:52:42 <andreiro18> :D 18:53:03 <SmatZ> :-D 18:56:05 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:19 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 18:56:25 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:59:41 *** ddfreyne [~ddfreyne@stoneship.org] has left #openttd [] 19:00:04 <andreiro18> here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9916&p=765838&hilit=trolley#p765838 19:00:40 <andreiro18> in the middle of the page are 3 pics 19:00:40 <Yexo> that's not openttd but locomotion 19:00:43 <SmatZ> umm it's locomotion 19:00:44 <Yexo> a different game 19:01:04 <andreiro18> ohh...i can see my mystake now 19:01:06 <andreiro18> :D 19:01:09 <andreiro18> sorry 19:01:17 <SmatZ> no problem 19:01:18 <andreiro18> it's like tycoon? 19:01:26 <andreiro18> it seems like.. 19:01:32 <Yexo> it's also a transport game 19:01:50 <andreiro18> what's the main difference between them? 19:02:05 <andreiro18> promise it's the last question 19:02:13 <andreiro18> :| 19:02:22 <SmatZ> maybe for me the reason why I prefer TTD is that I can be more megalomaniac there 19:02:32 <Yexo> no idea what the differences are exactly 19:02:36 <Yexo> never played locomotion 19:03:04 <andreiro18> ok..tanks for helping 19:03:57 <andreiro18> i'll give you 10 beers and a jack daniels in bucharest :P 19:04:54 <SmatZ> there aren't many romanian OTTD players 19:05:22 <frosch123> so locomotion "invented" trams? 19:09:04 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:26 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:09:37 <Alberth> hello 19:09:51 <Noldo> ps 19:10:07 <SmatZ> Hello 19:10:18 <Yexo> there aren't many romanian OTTD players <- there are some annoying ones 19:10:33 <Nite_Owl> Hello Alberth & Noldo & SmatZ 19:10:43 <andythenorth> andreiro18: try talking to the romanian road vehicle set guys 19:11:06 <andythenorth> I'll find you the url 19:11:22 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=42097 19:11:55 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23672.linc.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:12:01 <andythenorth> hi Zephyris 19:12:10 <Zephyris> hi, hi, hi! 19:12:57 <Nite_Owl> Hello Zephyris 19:13:05 <Belugas> [15:07] <andreiro18> i'll give you 10 beers and a jack daniels in bucharest :P <-- when is the next plane? I'll be there right away 19:17:16 *** kick52 [~kick52-sa@91.108.197.191] has joined #openttd 19:17:20 <kick52> hello 19:17:41 <kick52> I seem to be having trouble replacing vehicles in the depot or on the little list thing. 19:17:56 <kick52> if I get vehicles in the depot and click "autoreplace all vehicles" nothing happens :( 19:21:09 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:30 * SmatZ has strong urge to /kick kick52 52 19:24:43 <kick52> >:( 19:24:48 <SmatZ> err hello 19:25:19 <kick52> literally EVERYONE does that little (immature) joke. 19:25:20 <SmatZ> do you have autoreplace rules set? 19:25:39 <kick52> oh, nope. I assumed the button just "worked" 19:25:52 <SmatZ> it doesn't know what should it be replaced to 19:26:05 <kick52> what are autoreplace rules set? sorry I only downloaded it today :S 19:26:09 <SmatZ> if you mean autorenew, vehicles have to be old 19:26:13 <kick52> hm 19:26:16 <kick52> no, just replace 19:26:23 <SmatZ> http://wiki.openttd.org/Autoreplace 19:26:32 <kick52> on the depot window 19:26:53 <kick52> also on manage list-> replace vehicles, nothing turns up on the right side so I can't do anything 19:26:54 <SmatZ> you have to set replace rules in the group/vehicle list window 19:27:21 <SmatZ> maybe you need to switch train type? 19:27:29 <SmatZ> (normal/el/mono/maglev) 19:27:44 <kick52> I only have trucks and shit at the moment :P 19:28:09 <SmatZ> good :-p 19:28:12 <kick52> the replace vehicles window is completely blank for me 19:28:27 <kick52> there is nothing on the right side, shouldn't there be vehicles I can replace them to? 19:28:30 <SmatZ> so you say you don't have any trains? 19:28:33 <kick52> ah, hang on. I need to revise for a bit 19:28:36 <kick52> nope, no trains 19:28:47 <SmatZ> you have to select train from the left panel 19:28:55 <SmatZ> *locomotiove 19:29:02 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: Nite_Owl, zodttd, De_Ghosty, Fogel, HansAffe, Tefad, kkb110, kennobaka, Bergee, DaleStan, (+16 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:29:02 <kick52> yeah, I did that 19:29:12 *** Netsplit over, joins: Nite_Owl, Azrael-, TheMask96, Lachie, Tefad, stuffcorpse, theholyduck, ecke, zodttd, kkb110 (+16 more) 19:29:12 <kick52> nothing comes up on the right side 19:29:14 <SmatZ> then you can't replace it, the end :) 19:29:31 <SmatZ> maybe try switching type to el.rail 19:29:36 <Yexo> which year are you in and which train are you trying to replace? 19:29:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you broke it! 19:30:17 <SmatZ> you can try setting "Engines never expire" setting 19:30:22 <SmatZ> *the 19:30:49 <Nite_Owl> there may not be any road vehicles available to replace your current ones 19:31:24 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:42 <kick52> so I can't use replace just to effectively clone my current, broken vehicles? 19:31:43 <kick52> :( 19:31:49 <Nite_Owl> in other words your current road vehicles may be the most up to date versions available and they are not so old as to need replacing 19:32:00 <kick52> is there a way I can just renew vehicles? 19:32:23 <SmatZ> http://wiki.openttd.org/Autorenew we have a wiki, you know 19:33:19 <kick52> I don't have that set automatically though, and don't want it automatically :S 19:33:45 <Nite_Owl> then you have to replace them manually 19:34:09 <Nite_Owl> sell one - buy another one 19:34:20 <Nite_Owl> that way the orders get copied 19:34:44 <SmatZ> I think old vehicles (those "in red") will be renewed even when autorenew is disabled 19:34:53 <SmatZ> if you press "autoreplace all vehicles" in depot 19:34:57 <SmatZ> I am not sure though 19:36:18 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:20 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:34 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 19:39:14 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:08 <Nite_Owl> I think that is dependent on the vehicle being replaced still being available - vehicles never expire option is OFF 19:44:48 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:47:52 <frosch123> [21:35] <SmatZ> I think old vehicles (those "in red") will be renewed even when autorenew is disabled <- seems like autorenew needs to be enabled, but I guess that could be considered a bug :) manually triggering autorenew/replace should always replace old vehicles 19:49:09 <keikoz> Hi, have a little question: in order to take the entire production of an industry, do this industry has to be entirely in the catchment area of a station, or just a part is enough ? 19:49:54 <Nite_Owl> but if it is disabled and there are several possible replacements available which one gets chosen 19:50:35 <SmatZ> group replace, general replace, renew 19:51:07 <Alberth> keikoz: part should be enough, it is not taken into consideration afaik (read 'game mechanics' at the wiki for details) 19:51:33 <Yexo> part is indeed enough 19:52:16 <keikoz> Alberth : I already read it, it doesnt tell anything about it 19:52:33 <Nite_Owl> for primary industries - secondary industries have a specific tile 19:52:37 <keikoz> ok, thank you Yexo and Alberth 19:52:48 <keikoz> oh, Nite_Owl ? 19:53:52 <Nite_Owl> primary industries any one tile will do 19:53:56 <Belugas> use the query tool (the red question mark) and explore the industry tiles. You'll see some indications 19:54:12 <keikoz> Belugas already tried, doesnt tell anything :) 19:54:31 <Belugas> no indeed, it does not speak :) you have to read! 19:54:35 * Belugas runs away 19:54:54 <Yexo> Belugas: that's only for accepting cargo, not producing it iirc 19:55:17 <keikoz> ok, i'll make a test 19:55:45 <keikoz> two coal places, one with just one tile covered, another entirely :) 19:55:48 <Nite_Owl> secondary industries have a specific tile(s) that must be in the catchment area to accept cargo 19:56:13 <keikoz> Nite_Owl : yes, that"s only about accepting passengers, isn't it ? 19:56:58 <frosch123> quite some myths around here :) 19:57:17 <frosch123> however, the when bulding a station there is a "supplies" text shown in the gui 19:57:36 <andythenorth> keikoz: In recent versions of OpenTTD supplied cargo is shown, try using that 19:57:44 <andythenorth> oh frosch beat me :D 19:58:19 <keikoz> i know, but that doesnt tell me if I will get the entire production or not, depending by the area covered 19:58:22 <frosch123> I hardly beat someone, I only kicked benny once :p 19:58:35 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:37 <Yexo> keikoz: if you get some production, you can get all 19:58:46 <Yexo> whether or not you get all depends on your station rating 19:58:49 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 19:58:50 <keikoz> ok 19:58:50 <frosch123> keikoz: either you get nothing or you get the amount matching your station rating 19:58:57 <Nite_Owl> Did I get it wrong ? 19:59:04 <keikoz> ok 19:59:16 <frosch123> Nite_Owl: there are no specific tiles 19:59:22 <Yexo> Nite_Owl: you got the questino wrong, it was about producing cargo, not accepting it 19:59:52 <keikoz> thank you everybody 19:59:57 <Alberth> keikoz: if it doesn't say anything about tile counts, it is not a factor in the computation. 19:59:59 <Nite_Owl> true - i just took it further 20:00:02 <SmatZ> just the sum of "accepted cargo" of tiles in the coverage area has to be >= 1 20:00:26 <Phazorx> can you guys point me towards some reading on blitters and overall SDL gfx efficiency optimization? 20:00:48 * SmatZ has no clue :-/ 20:00:53 <frosch123> he, I already read that question today, was that also you? 20:01:00 <Phazorx> hola SmatZ 20:01:06 <Alberth> sdl.org? 20:01:19 <frosch123> I also read that answer :p 20:01:21 <Phazorx> Alberth: they have decent docs but not guides 20:01:44 <SmatZ> hello Phazorx :) how are you doing? 20:01:56 <Phazorx> i'm iso for some common practices 20:01:56 <Belugas> could be Yexo, just that I though someone ( SmatZ ) did the change a while ago 20:02:18 <Phazorx> SmatZ: well, keeping bus to some extent, but okay in general i guess.. how about yourself? 20:02:42 <Sacro> the room is alive, with the sound of an IBM Model M 20:02:57 <Nite_Owl> so if you have just one tile of a factory in a stations catchment area it will accept cargo? 20:03:31 <SmatZ> Phazorx: good to hear :) I have a lot of things to do, too :) 20:04:20 <andythenorth> Nite_Owl: try it out, what do you see in the gui :P 20:04:20 <Alberth> Nite_Owl: don't know, when the station picker window says it does would be my guess. 20:04:56 <frosch123> Nite_Owl: to transfer cargo from station to industry you need 8/8 acceptance (shown in the "tile information" window) within the rectancle around all station tiles + catchment radius. to transfer cargo from industry to station you need one station tile in the rectangle containing all industry tiles + station catchment radius 20:04:56 <Nite_Owl> double checking now 20:05:00 <Yexo> Nite_Owl: that depends on whethe ror not that tile accepts 8/8 cargo 20:05:12 <Phazorx> Nite_Owl: sometimes it depends on idustry since not all tiles that belong to picture of it can produce the cargo you are looking for 20:05:44 <Phazorx> err... accept not produce 20:06:04 <Yexo> Phazorx: yeah :), lets add more confusion 20:06:06 <frosch123> note that all these "rectangles" might cause quite unexpected behaviour for non-rectangular industries and/or stations 20:06:42 <Phazorx> Yexo: i think we could have stopped with "if it says it accepts when you try to place it - it does" :) 20:07:04 <Yexo> maybe we should have 20:08:17 <andythenorth> hmm that one accepts/supplies one seems pretty self explanatory. the gui kind of has it covered. nice work whoever added that btw 20:09:05 <Phazorx> i wonder if there are any second tier industries that have tiles in them that produce 3rd tier but do not accept 2nd or vica versa 20:09:28 <Phazorx> that would be evil 20:10:06 <Alberth> that should be constructable <grin/> 20:10:11 <Yexo> at least ecs has several industries were not all cargos are accepted by all tiles 20:10:25 <kick52> SmatZ: sorry, revision break :S I tried hitting the "replace all vehicles" button in depot, but it doesn't do anything. is this a bug, d'you think? 20:10:44 <Yexo> tiles that don't producing anything are not possible as follow from frosch123 explanation 20:10:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F683.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:49 <Phazorx> Yexo: that is acceptable but what i meant - you can have a station that is in acept area and can digest delivered but never gets any that are produced 20:12:03 <Phazorx> hmm... i guess i didnt read frosch123 right 20:12:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:12:45 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.254.3] has left #openttd [] 20:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <kick52> SmatZ: sorry, revision break :S I tried hitting the "replace all vehicles" button in depot, but it doesn't do anything. is this a bug, d'you think? <- it only does something if any replacement rules apply, you have to set them up first, and need to have enough money 20:16:45 <Nite_Owl> It appears to be industry dependent. Yes the GUI will let you know what is accepted. With the factory it 'accepts' on any tile. With the sawmill, power plant, and oil refinery the GUI 'accepts' only when specific tiles of the industry are in the catchment area. 20:18:48 <kick52> Eddi|zuHause: oh. how can I set up replacement rules? 20:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> from the vehicle list 20:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> manage list -> replace vehicles 20:19:19 <kick52> right 20:19:23 <kick52> I've tried that before 20:19:28 <kick52> and nothing comes up on the right panel 20:19:37 <kick52> when something on the left is selected 20:19:58 <Yexo> which year are you in and which train are you trying to replace? 20:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> kick52: then try switching between conventional and electric rail? 20:20:15 <Yexo> and which newgrfs are you using (if any)? 20:20:18 <kick52> 1950ish 20:20:39 <kick52> I don't want to upgrade them, I just want to renew them because they are old and breaking down every second 20:20:49 <kick52> I can't upgrade them anyway 20:20:56 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, yes, autorenew is somewhere else 20:21:02 <Yexo> then go to "advanced settinsg-> autorenew" 20:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> in the advanced settings -> vehicles 20:21:20 <kick52> oh, okay thanks. no manual autorenew 20:21:22 <Eddi|zuHause> -> replace vehicles when they get old 20:21:33 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9acd.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 20:22:54 <Nite_Owl> So I was not totally crazy 20:22:55 <Belugas> "manual" "auto" renew... that sounds a bit like antigonism t me 20:23:11 <kick52> I mean 20:23:18 <kick52> automatically renew stuff when you say 20:23:28 <kick52> instead of doing it when they get old and you don't know about it 20:23:47 <kick52> kinda confusing, since "replace" doesn't really imply "upgrade." at least, not to me :P 20:24:04 <frosch123> kick52: you have to enable the automatic autorenew to make the manual autorenew work 20:24:13 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 20:24:17 <kick52> indeed. :( 20:24:18 <frosch123> you can disable that afterwards again 20:24:21 <kick52> yeah 20:24:30 <frosch123> however, I guess I am going to consider that a bug :) 20:24:37 <Yexo> kick52: "Autoreplace is a helpful feature implemented by Bjarni which allows you to upgrade your entire fleet of a certain kind of vehicle to a different type without having to sell and replace them individually." <- first sentence on wiki page about Autoreplace 20:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not entirely true anymore ;) 20:25:43 <kick52> Yexo: yeah, but I only wanted it once, and didn't know autoreplace would work manually once enabled 20:25:48 <kick52> right, I really have to go 20:25:58 <kick52> bye, thanks for the help :D 20:26:00 *** kick52 [~kick52-sa@91.108.197.191] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:26:29 <frosch123> what makes me wonder is, that manual autorenew would also need some definition when vehicle are old. i.e. the months-setting of autorenew would also get a meaning when automatic renewing is disabled 20:26:53 <frosch123> dragging a train on the autoreplace/renew button might also be useful :p 20:27:23 <frosch123> in which case it could completely ignore the age and also renew brand-new vehicles :) 20:27:30 <keikoz> oh, actually 20:27:38 <keikoz> are transmitters useful for anything ? 20:27:42 <frosch123> hmm, no, that sucks for trains when it would always renew all wagons 20:28:06 <Yexo> keikoz: yes, for limiting terraforming 20:28:09 <frosch123> keikoz: the only purpose of transmitters and lighthouses it to "be in the way" :) 20:29:25 <keikoz> oh , ok :-) 20:30:18 <Belugas> and look realistic too 20:31:07 <frosch123> no, afaik each lighthouse on the world has a individual coluring/lightning scheme 20:31:53 <frosch123> and Belugas: give me my keyboard back and take your old one back :p 20:32:38 <Alberth> looking realistic is just to avoid too many questions "what's that thing that's in my way?" :p 20:32:56 <keikoz> in fact i was used to play TTD some years ago, didn't play it so much 20:33:12 <keikoz> i retried with openttd some days ago, it's really great 20:34:15 <Belugas> :D 20:35:29 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:21 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.254.3] has joined #openttd 20:42:42 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:18 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 20:46:06 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 20:49:54 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:51:46 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb7a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:10 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:56 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 20:58:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 21:03:57 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:05:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:07:59 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:43 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:29:04 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 21:36:30 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:40:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i just found a "OTTD-win32-nightly-r3361.zip" 21:49:42 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23672.linc.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and some missing screenshots... 21:50:41 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-152-54-209.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:18 *** andy2309 [~andy2309@92.26.126.193] has joined #openttd 21:54:39 <andy2309> hi can anyone help me install ttd on windows vista 21:54:57 <Yexo> ttd or openttd? 21:54:59 <andy2309> i try to install it and it says not available in full screen mode 21:55:05 <andy2309> ttd 21:55:12 <Yexo> ttd doesn't work under vista 21:55:15 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-152-54-209.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:55:17 <Yexo> you need either ttdpatch or openttd 21:55:35 <andy2309> i have the ttd patch but i thought u need to instal it first to apply it 21:56:01 <Yexo> I think just extracting all files from the cd to some folder should do 21:56:23 <andy2309> ok il try that, cheers 21:56:38 <SmatZ> andy2309: also, #tycoon is related to ttd and ttdpatch better than #openttd :) 21:59:53 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:07 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 22:00:13 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:37 <alekibango> petern: now i can see why the newgrf is still unfinished, LOL 22:05:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9acd.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:32 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:09:33 <andy2309> yexo-tried that then tried reinstalling it and had the same problem 22:10:01 <Yexo> andy2309: as SmatZ said, for help with ttdpatch go to #tycoon 22:10:25 <Yexo> if you want to install openttd (which I can suggest :p), feel free to ask for help here 22:12:01 <andy2309> how do i get openttd, is it just a patch 22:12:23 <andy2309> i dont understand how to use th patch on a programme i cant install 22:12:38 <SmatZ> openttd : http://openttd.org ttdpatch : http://ttdpatch.net/ 22:13:01 *** andy2309 [~andy2309@92.26.126.193] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 22:14:18 <Sacro> doom with a model m is loud as fook 22:14:36 <Nite_Owl> Chalk up another one for thedontreadme.txt 22:15:07 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:20:47 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:30:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:52 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 22:32:13 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:35:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-137-242.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this "sapphire united" guy is on a good way to become a candidate for the ignore list... 22:45:17 <Yexo> he hasn't made it yet? 22:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm a too forgiving person :p 22:48:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D92B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:49 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:54:54 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 22:54:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:59 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.254.3] has left #openttd [] 23:09:38 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, admit it, you like the battle too much to ignore him :) 23:15:29 <petern> hello belugas 23:23:58 <petern> hello belugas 23:30:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D92B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.188.185] has joined #openttd 23:44:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D92B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:47:31 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:50:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]