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00:03:54 *** voker57 [~voker57@85.173.18.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:19 *** voker57 [~voker57@85.173.18.222] has joined #openttd 00:07:28 <OwenS> lol 00:07:49 <OwenS> sending pop3 account? pop3 doesn't do sending 00:11:47 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 00:11:51 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:23 *** planetmas [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 00:13:59 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 00:16:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226146047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:19:19 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:22:24 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE97B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 01:03:08 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:13 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-56-138.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:11:34 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.155.105] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3] 01:18:20 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-129-5-71.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:56 *** TT1a1a1 [~mIRC@5adae12d.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: He who asks a question may be a fool for five minutes, but he who never asks a question remains a fool forever] 01:52:41 <Tefad> so managed to get three intercontinental airports around a factory in tropical map 01:52:49 <Tefad> the third airport isn't picking up goods... 01:53:25 <Tefad> i am le confused. 01:53:45 <glx> only the two best stations get stuff 01:54:04 <Tefad> yeah? 01:54:07 <Tefad> balls 01:54:19 <Tefad> why have i never noticed this before : x 01:57:37 *** voker57 [~voker57@85.173.18.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:09 *** voker57 [~voker57@85.173.18.222] has joined #openttd 02:02:25 <Tefad> what about multiple industries accepting goods 02:04:29 <Tefad> crap segfault 02:04:43 <Tefad> ottd totally hates me this round. 02:05:06 <Tefad> i like to do really dumb things.. which tends to make ottd explode 02:05:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.110] has joined #openttd 02:05:50 <Tefad> i have a train station being fed by upward of 10 lumber mills at full capacity 02:06:19 <Tefad> dumping into a single factory.. then flying the goods all the way across a 2048 map 02:06:38 <Tefad> train length of 24, just for good measure 02:08:45 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:36 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-56-138.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:25:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:580:fb5c:ec31:234c] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:29:25 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 03:00:08 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:28 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:01 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:14:11 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.65] has joined #openttd 03:39:18 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:17 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:06:43 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:08 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:25:07 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 04:40:23 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:59:33 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 05:32:35 *** Elton05423 [~Delphi@201008137046.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35:25 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0C799.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:40:47 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 05:59:13 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:07:29 <nicfer> omg this is epic fail 06:07:46 <nicfer> i was downloading the base graphics but it hang up at 100% 06:07:56 <nicfer> 3.20Mb out of 3.20Mb 06:08:01 <nicfer> bytes, that is 06:10:25 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has joined #openttd 06:11:50 <dihedral> and how long did you wait? 06:11:52 <dihedral> and which os? 06:11:58 <dihedral> and which version of openttd? 06:12:18 <dihedral> nicfer, ^ 06:13:37 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:36:33 <nicfer> like 20 minutes 06:36:44 <nicfer> windows xp, openttd 0.7.2 06:38:50 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-229-228.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:45:47 *** ^spike^ [~spike@j97103.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:48:59 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:33 <TrueBrain> awh, that is sad :( 06:52:50 <TrueBrain> we should build in a download resumer! :P 06:53:52 <TrueBrain> morning all 06:54:15 <TrueBrain> how is this beautful day handling you? 06:54:50 <dihedral> quite well 06:54:54 <dihedral> :-) 06:55:02 <TrueBrain> do tell! 06:55:16 <dihedral> i may work on a neatly set up svn server 06:55:27 <dihedral> ... + a php management tool for the svn repositories :-S 06:55:36 <dihedral> PLUS 06:55:37 <TrueBrain> if that aleady makes a good day, you normally have to work with terrible stuff :p 06:55:42 <dihedral> it's my last day before 3 weeks off 06:56:02 <dihedral> well - getting the hang of Zend Framework 06:56:05 <TrueBrain> so then you finally are going to do the console stuff? :p 06:56:07 <dihedral> makes it easier :-P 06:56:09 <TrueBrain> Zend is nice :) 06:56:22 <dihedral> i have to process like ... nothing? 06:56:38 <dihedral> it's great - it has everything in pre-defined directories 06:56:45 <TrueBrain> you can profile PHP sites :p 06:56:46 <dihedral> you just add you stuff and once it works all is good 06:56:53 <dihedral> uh yeah :-) 06:57:03 <dihedral> + zend optimizer in apache :-P 06:57:24 <TrueBrain> as good as any other optimizer, but yeah :p 06:58:15 <dihedral> well, if i have to do this php thing - i am at least trying to get it be released under GPL 06:58:33 <dihedral> make a tigris.org project out of it :-P 06:58:42 <TrueBrain> I myself have to work on a PHP CMS the next few days .. blegh .. 06:58:56 <dihedral> yeah - CMS is a bit heavier :-P 06:59:06 <TrueBrain> well, closed source and shit .. 06:59:11 <dihedral> yummm 06:59:11 <TrueBrain> own 'type' of XML 06:59:19 <dihedral> yeah - i read that :-D 06:59:30 <dihedral> [smile]too funny[/smile] 06:59:34 <TrueBrain> :p 07:11:21 <TrueBrain> releasedatum: 02/07/1904 <- looking through CD albums .. I doubt that date is valid 07:11:47 *** Antigon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:18 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has quit [Quit: What? WAIT noooo don't pull that pl...] 07:19:41 <nicfer> oh, it seems it was the internet connection 07:19:46 <nicfer> expensive and slow 07:29:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:41:20 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544586f7.lns1-c13.telh.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:44:35 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:54:43 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:59:33 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:17:14 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:17:27 <pavel1269> hello :-) 08:17:39 <TrueBrain> hello pavel1269 08:19:26 *** planetmas is now known as planetmaker 08:19:33 *** Antigon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:28:56 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 08:35:54 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B17C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:31 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43:23 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEbd7c.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:47:22 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.42.117] has joined #openttd 08:48:53 <dihedral> TrueBrain, 1904... was it a cd of a .... record? 08:49:03 <TrueBrain> cd :p 08:51:44 <dihedral> perhaps it was from 2004 and they used an old computer and only entered 04 :-D 08:54:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:01:22 *** ^spike^ is now known as ^Spike^ 09:04:19 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm121.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:35:27 *** UK|DT [~dangerous@94-195-17-100.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:35:56 *** UK|DT [~dangerous@94-195-17-100.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 09:37:13 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm121.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:42:12 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-129-5-71.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:03:34 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-20-30-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:04:17 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:25 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 10:12:06 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 10:13:33 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B268C1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:13:48 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:01 <BaronChaos> hi, i'm having some fun with the TestAI. is there a way to get syntax/loading errors? i changed the GetShortName return to "MKI" and my ai wasn't shown and couldn't be loaded with start_ai, all it only says "failed to load" but not why. i think the short name is used somewhere else but it would be nice to be told that - is there an option/debugging level to get such messages? 10:21:40 <Rubidium> try -d ai=9 as command line parameter 10:21:58 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:08 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:22:39 <BaronChaos> thanks that works for me 10:22:40 <Rubidium> might very well be that the shortname isn't 4 characters 10:22:47 <BaronChaos> yeah 10:24:41 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEF61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.114.164] has joined #openttd 10:41:31 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.42.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:11 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:45:44 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.42.117] has joined #openttd 10:45:54 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-110-59.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 11:02:01 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.42.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:58 <planetmaker> whoa, you're really fast with OpenSFX, Rubidium :-) Kudos 11:07:40 <TrueBrain> hmm .. we need a kudo scoreboard :p 11:07:56 <planetmaker> :-P 11:08:07 <planetmaker> you're one of the webmasters :-P 11:08:13 <TrueBrain> haha 11:08:20 <TrueBrain> enough other projects which have much higher prio :P 11:08:25 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 11:18:59 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 11:19:13 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:17 <TrueBrain> lol, 15% of ours visitors is dutch ... 11% is US :p 11:20:24 <TrueBrain> (well .. the recent stats at least suggest that outcome) 11:20:53 <TrueBrain> I have my questionsmarks at these results, dunno why :p 11:21:07 <TrueBrain> (last month it was 6% vs 15% :p) 11:23:02 <planetmaker> got a link to the stats? :-) 11:23:04 * planetmaker is curious 11:23:15 <TrueBrain> http://stats.openttd.org/ 11:23:18 <TrueBrain> sounds obvious, not? :p 11:23:36 <planetmaker> hehe. might be a link which could be guessed :-) 11:24:05 *** voker57 [~voker57@85.173.18.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:17 <planetmaker> 4GB traffic per month... 11:24:21 <planetmaker> and rising 11:24:50 <TrueBrain> 4GB? Did you read it in any way correct? :p 11:25:22 <planetmaker> I quoted the monthly totals... 11:25:33 <Rubidium> 427032635 KiB 11:25:35 <TrueBrain> 427032635 11:25:38 <TrueBrain> how is that 4GB? 11:25:44 <TrueBrain> in what math system can that ever be 4? 11:25:54 <TrueBrain> when the unit is .. 100 bytes? :) 11:25:57 <Rubidium> 427032635 KiB -> ~ 427032 MiB -> ~427 GiB 11:26:00 <planetmaker> he... cumulative... yeah. in 4 billion kilobytes :-P 11:26:41 * dihedral likes the look of that ~ 11:26:41 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 11:27:01 * planetmaker needs coffein obviously 11:27:14 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db08d2c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:27:38 * dihedral feels moond 11:28:09 * Sacro feels dihedral 11:28:12 <Sacro> ;) 11:28:18 <TrueBrain> *gay alert* 11:29:25 <Sacro> ooh *fantastic* 11:29:57 * dihedral looks at the stats and smirks at googlebot 11:30:08 <dihedral> 847262 hits for last month :-P 11:30:20 <TrueBrain> a total of 6 hits a second, and going up .. 11:30:35 * Rubidium notes that those stats do no include the other stuff like svn/ottd_content 11:30:46 <TrueBrain> http only, yes :) 11:30:54 <TrueBrain> hmm .. svn proxy .. 11:30:59 <TrueBrain> would be useful :p 11:31:12 <planetmaker> /releases/0.7.1/openttd-0.7.1-windows-win32.exe is funnily enough noted twice in the top 30 11:31:31 <planetmaker> oh, no. once exe, once zip 11:31:37 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-21.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:42 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: all stats before augustus are 'corrupted' in their URLs 11:31:55 <TrueBrain> in aug I just disabled it :p 11:32:04 <planetmaker> disabled what? 11:32:11 <TrueBrain> urls 11:32:12 <TrueBrain> do you read? :p 11:32:35 <planetmaker> yes. But didn't look at August. 11:32:46 <planetmaker> and url != all stats :-P 11:32:47 <TrueBrain> .... 11:32:52 <TrueBrain> I don't think planetmaker reads .. :( 11:32:56 <dihedral> TrueBrain, i used to change the log file format to include the servername :-P 11:33:15 <TrueBrain> dihedral: considered it, but it would be too slow :p 11:33:33 <TrueBrain> I wish stats-thingies would be more clever, and detect the domain is in the log-file .. 11:33:45 <dihedral> it would be too slow? 11:33:53 <dihedral> how much too slow? and how come? 11:34:10 <dihedral> or use a different log file per vhost :-D 11:34:22 <TrueBrain> .... 11:34:24 <TrueBrain> no 11:34:26 <dihedral> :-D 11:34:39 <dihedral> and then parse them into one and then run webalizer :_D 11:35:05 <TrueBrain> funny, if we compare last year with this year, the bandwidth is doubled 11:35:12 <TrueBrain> but the amount of visitors didn't 11:35:13 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-129-5-71.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:19 <TrueBrain> the hits did increase .. 11:35:24 <TrueBrain> @calc 167/128 11:35:24 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1.3046875 11:35:28 <TrueBrain> with 30% .. 11:35:33 <TrueBrain> @calc 427 / 244 11:35:33 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1.75 11:35:41 <dihedral> TrueBrain, website changed? 11:35:49 <TrueBrain> either our pages got much bigger, or people use the more intense parts of it :p 11:35:56 <dihedral> hits to media. and www. ? 11:36:02 <TrueBrain> how about: binaries? :p 11:36:05 <dihedral> so they are counted double :-P 11:36:17 <TrueBrain> huh? 11:36:27 <dihedral> :-P 11:36:33 <dihedral> c'mon - let me be silly 11:36:47 <TrueBrain> silly okay, but ther eis a point wher eI just don't follow you 11:36:56 <dihedral> yeah - ok 11:36:57 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: bananas/content stuff takes a lot to 11:37:05 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: but that isn't in those graphs :p 11:37:22 <dihedral> it would be interesting to see which subdomain comsumes which amount 11:37:38 <TrueBrain> dihedral: make a tool which does so 11:37:51 <dihedral> webalizer 11:37:55 <TrueBrain> doesn't 11:37:56 <dihedral> just feed it separate log files :-D 11:38:18 <TrueBrain> you want a kick, or what? 11:38:21 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS 11:38:25 * dihedral bounces around smiling 11:38:35 <TrueBrain> I think someone needs to get late 11:38:45 <dihedral> "late"? 11:38:47 <SmatZ> late? 11:38:50 <dihedral> :-D 11:38:50 <TrueBrain> haha 11:38:53 <TrueBrain> nasty typos .. 11:39:12 <dihedral> and you dont just substitute the t for a d 11:39:29 <OwenS> Thats a Think-o? :p 11:39:35 <TrueBrain> nope .. fingers faster than brains capable of translating 11:39:37 <TrueBrain> happens ;) 11:39:37 <OwenS> Or perhaps a brain-o? :p 11:39:46 <SmatZ> :) 11:39:49 <OwenS> Aah... wonderful buffer underruns 11:40:01 <OwenS> At least on IRC you don't have to listen to people going "Erm" :p 11:40:01 <TrueBrain> happens a bit too often :( 11:40:06 <dihedral> TrueBrain, considered the nick "TrueFinger" :-D 11:40:30 <TrueBrain> why does using google images on "getting laid" give you a female with GOOGLE on her shirt as one of the first hits? 11:40:40 <TrueBrain> and then they say they are 'fair' in rating their pages?! 11:40:43 <SmatZ> hehe 11:40:43 <TrueBrain> HELL NO! 11:40:52 <dihedral> why do you google "getting laid" on images? 11:41:13 <TrueBrain> because I was wondering how good the anti-porno filter really was 11:41:18 <TrueBrain> I found a penis so far :p 11:41:24 <dihedral> congratulations 11:41:31 <dihedral> now we for sure know you are male 11:41:38 <TrueBrain> http://pictures.yuwie.com/content/profile/pictures/pics/118/1186387.jpg <- and this of course 11:41:52 <dihedral> is that safe for work or not? 11:41:53 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: I take it you've heard of the Google Images Porn Game 11:41:56 * Sacro yawns 11:42:02 <TrueBrain> dihedral: not sure .. I think it is 11:42:07 <dihedral> yeah - nothing new to you Sacro, is it 11:42:08 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: no? 11:42:28 <Sacro> TrueBrain: that's highly illegal in most countries you know 11:42:29 <dihedral> :-D LOL 11:42:39 <OwenS> Sacro: Most? 11:42:40 <Prof_Frink> Basically, think of some search terms, turn safesearch off and see how many pages before you get porn. 11:42:55 <Sacro> OwenS: it's illegal in the UK 11:42:55 <Prof_Frink> Whoever gets furthest wins. 11:43:04 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: we did it with girls names 11:43:05 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: You're illegal in the UK 11:43:05 <dihedral> OwenS, Sacro always moves to the country it's not illegal in 11:43:15 <Sacro> dihedral: no, i'm still int he UK 11:43:15 <TrueBrain> I liked the game more where you have to find 2 search words that return exactly 1 reesult 11:43:34 <dihedral> Sacro, and where is the VPN server? 11:43:47 <Sacro> http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=edith&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi 11:43:52 <Sacro> that didn't wirk 11:43:55 <dihedral> TrueBrain, failure and bush 11:44:14 <TrueBrain> Sacro: is that a 'first hit', or does that not fall under porn Prof_Frink? 11:44:26 <TrueBrain> dihedral: 14300000 hits 11:44:33 <TrueBrain> which translates to 0.14G in planetmaker math system 11:44:35 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: 3 pages for 'gwyneth' 11:45:01 <dihedral> since when do you calculate hits in G 11:45:10 <dihedral> and since when are they then not / 1000 11:45:17 <TrueBrain> dihedral: ask planetmaker! 11:45:31 <dihedral> Prof_Frink, try lawnmower :-D 11:45:44 <dihedral> that might get gross though :-D 11:45:55 <dihedral> or vacuum cleaner 11:46:06 <Sacro> dihedral: you'd call your daughter 'lawnmowe'? 11:46:15 <dihedral> :-D 11:46:23 <Sacro> http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://blogs.nerve.com/modernmaterialist/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lawnmower_shave.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blogs.nerve.com/modernmaterialist/2009/05/22/designer-vadge-diy-brazilian-wax/&usg=__uXa0t3p_-ujf46eZlIYrkv-92ZA=&h=374&w=576&sz=95&hl=en&start=3&sig2=rCF5j7h7rDaAmjqCxU63uw&um=1&tbnid=3aO4T_a8Iqmw-M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=134&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlawnmower%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:off 11:46:31 <Sacro> 3rd pic 11:46:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051099101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:46:36 <TrueBrain> is that porn? 11:46:50 <planetmaker> pah... 11:47:01 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: It's Sacro. Everything's porn. 11:47:05 <dihedral> i guess marry poppins would not go far either 11:47:17 <dihedral> lol @ Prof_Frink 11:47:26 <TrueBrain> http://futurshox.net/india/images/ff2_oxen_lawnmower.jpg <- see, page 10 11:47:29 <TrueBrain> then it shows porn 11:47:37 <Sacro> actually, that might be 11:47:37 <TrueBrain> (work safe, dihedral, I promise) 11:47:49 <dihedral> :-P 11:47:55 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:55 <dihedral> not in india 11:47:55 <Sacro> 5 page and no porn, broed now 11:48:22 <dihedral> tux <- try that, that should get you far... unless.......... 11:48:40 <dihedral> and no, the bsd devil humping tux does not count as porn 11:48:52 <dihedral> it's too........ fuzzy 11:48:56 <TrueBrain> 3rd page: http://www.reboottheuser.com/images/tux_p.png 11:49:17 <dihedral> that aint porn, that's a kids drawing 11:49:18 <dihedral> :-P 11:50:07 <Rubidium> when I thought the 'conversation' with petert was a low point... 11:50:17 <OwenS> lol 11:50:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: that is a different type of low :p 11:50:36 <dihedral> tree :-P 11:51:17 <dihedral> Rubidium, tread on it :-P 11:52:40 <Prof_Frink> Oh look, the Sun's nicking stuff from b3ta again. 11:52:50 <OwenS> lol 11:54:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c09d:5df2:d9c5:8e3a] has joined #openttd 11:54:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:55:30 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 11:59:35 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: one thing I'm sure of with OSFX is that the quality isn't that great and that I'm primarily looking for reasonable samples and adding those; later people may worry about quality ;) 12:25:16 <Rubidium> you got to love some descriptions in the original sample.cat though 12:25:49 <TrueBrain> example? 12:26:04 <Rubidium> "maglev 2?" = sound of monorail 12:26:20 <TrueBrain> in the original sample.cat as found on the cd? 12:26:36 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: yes 12:26:38 <TrueBrain> haha 12:26:39 <TrueBrain> funny :) 12:27:14 <Rubidium> the sound "balloon squeak" is used for the falling tree of the lumberjack 12:27:41 <TrueBrain> if it sounds good ... it sounds good :p 12:28:09 <Rubidium> "plane crashing" is used for toyland propellor planes taking off 12:31:45 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:46 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051099101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:34:46 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:05 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:35:45 <dihedral> :-P 12:38:44 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad46218.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:40:14 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-20-30-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]] 12:42:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051099101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:02 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:44:55 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad683f3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:55 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 12:49:33 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 13:04:38 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.208.238] has joined #openttd 13:09:02 *** Elton04150 [~Delphi@201008126244.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 13:12:41 *** Elton04150 [~Delphi@201008126244.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:46 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:01 <Prof_Frink> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/bus_test/ 13:33:51 <SpComb> safety rating three stars 13:36:08 <SpComb> oh, a non-destructive bus test 13:36:54 * Prof_Frink puts SpComb on the cornflake bus 13:37:08 <dihedral> (unit 1) 13:37:33 <Prof_Frink> (Cornflakes are, of course, the universal cereal) 13:38:00 <planetmaker> <Rubidium> "plane crashing" is used for toyland propellor planes taking off <--- haha :-) 13:38:07 <planetmaker> that's good. 13:40:27 <SmatZ> Prof_Frink: wtf is that? 13:41:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83E81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83C35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:43:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:46:23 <pavel1269> :-O ... my train just had a breakdown with breakdowns off ... :-O 13:47:29 <SmatZ> pavel1269: UFO nearby? 13:49:48 <pavel1269> no 13:49:53 <pavel1269> disasters off 13:50:04 <TrueBrain> sounds like you broke something :p 13:50:11 <SmatZ> :) 13:50:39 <pavel1269> well, jsut tryed, "resetengines" may this help? i was a bit messing with grfs while playing ^^ 13:52:03 <TrueBrain> ah, there comes the monkey out of the sleve! 13:53:12 <pavel1269> then, resetengines should be called automatically afte grf change in-game :-) 13:53:38 <TrueBrain> then, you should not alter grfs in-game :p 13:54:27 <pavel1269> i usually remember that, just while trying to build sth, what is not in the list :-) 13:55:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:08 <dihedral> "just" is just too much ;-) 13:58:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:00:51 <Alberth> Hmm, the /topic is apparently still lost. 14:02:26 <Rubidium> Alberth: really? I've got the topic as it should be 14:03:13 <Alberth> If I type /topic it stays empty here but not in the dev channel 14:04:18 *** Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.7.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, translator: translator, server list: servers, nightly-builds: nightly, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only 14:04:21 <pavel1269> topic working as expected :-) 14:04:23 <Rubidium> does that help? 14:04:42 <pavel1269> topic working as expected :-) 14:04:50 <pavel1269> sorry ... 14:05:03 <SpComb> servers lose topic-sync 14:06:06 <Alberth> I did add IRC helper to my Pidgin for logging in, but different behavior for different channels is weird 14:06:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aefk85.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:06:42 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:06:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:06:46 <Rubidium> Alberth: topic in the dev channel is updated automatically regularly 14:07:28 <Alberth> he, it is back after disabling the IRC helper. Maybe it is just me. 14:09:43 <Rubidium> Alberth: might very well be that I (re)set the topic 14:09:55 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 14:11:04 <Alberth> I'll live a while without /topic, and keep an eye on things to see whether there is a pattern. 14:12:49 <petern> on the wiki "We also have a development community on our IRC channel" < points to #openttd 14:13:01 <petern> i suppose that should point to the hidden channel? 14:13:35 <Alberth> that is not a community, just a bunch of people making random changes in the source code :p 14:16:49 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051099101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:16:59 *** MizardX- [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 14:16:59 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:29 *** MizardX- is now known as MizardX 14:20:30 *** Lisby [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:24:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051099101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:02 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:36:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:39:08 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@j97103.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83C35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B838C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:48:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:51:02 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:51:27 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 14:53:13 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 14:53:21 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-154-217-48.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:55:11 *** OwenS is now known as Guest104 14:55:11 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS 14:56:06 *** Guest104 [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-21.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:37 <TrueBrain> downside of torrents .. when 1 person starts to seed, and 10 persons download, it goes faster than when 100 persons download (while still 1 person seeds) 14:58:02 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:03 <pavel1269> lol ... sure? ^^ 14:58:51 <tokai> TrueBrain: depends on how smart the seed's client injects the initial copy into the swarm. 14:58:55 <TrueBrain> it takes time to travel to other people, after which it starts to increase in speed ... 14:58:59 <valhallasw> TrueBrain: well, that's true for the first blocks 14:59:03 <TrueBrain> tokai: in this case, poorly :p 14:59:28 <TrueBrain> okay, it has to be noted that the amount of people leeching went up from 3, to over the 500 now .. :p (in 10 minutes or so :p) 14:59:41 <pavel1269> what are you seeding? :-) 14:59:45 <valhallasw> but afaik most clients try to distribute as much data around the swarm as possible 14:59:51 <tokai> TrueBrain: sometimes the initial seed has to seed like 2 copies or such before someone else sees one full copy (because the client seeds same pieces multiple times, depending on peers requests :) 14:59:51 <TrueBrain> my download went from 100 mbit to 10 mbit :p 15:00:08 <TrueBrain> tokai: yeah .... 15:00:13 <valhallasw> TrueBrain: just lie another cable to the other side of the road for those purposes! 15:00:16 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: I am not seeding :p 15:00:16 <pavel1269> tokai: use "start seed" feature? 15:00:34 <TrueBrain> and if you want to know what I am leeching ... open a random torrent site, you will know when you see it :p 15:00:34 <pavel1269> or however it is called 15:00:50 <TrueBrain> bah, down to 3 mbit ... 15:01:06 <pavel1269> sounds like a game ... is it a movie? :-) 15:01:14 <TrueBrain> movie, 720p 15:01:17 <tokai> pavel1269: depends if the client has such feature:) 15:01:17 <TrueBrain> the rest I leave to you :) 15:01:29 <pavel1269> tokai: most have this ... 15:01:48 <TrueBrain> would be nice to see the tree, where which blocks are loaded, at which speed, and what it does for average download time 15:02:36 <TrueBrain> lol, I am no longer connected to the person seeding, that can explain my loss in speed :p 15:03:37 <tokai> best is to find some swedes or some japanese or korean guys, they usually have the best upload speeds :) 15:04:13 <TrueBrain> well .. we run here all on 100 mbit, so that is not the real issue :p 15:04:36 <pavel1269> TrueBrain: where the **** do you live? :-) 15:04:37 * tokai has only 1mbit :D 15:04:45 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: I myself have student housing 15:04:55 <TrueBrain> but this whole torrent hub has only 100mbit users 15:05:07 <TrueBrain> sometimes 10mbit, but those are rare :p 15:05:18 <pavel1269> baaah, they should cut you off :P 15:05:24 <TrueBrain> why? 15:05:31 <TrueBrain> because I use the darn connection? 15:06:17 <pavel1269> ye! :D 15:06:37 <pavel1269> hmm, cant find anythink special, what just went "outside" 15:06:56 * tokai doesn't find the HDTV OpenTTD video on random torrent sites :) 15:07:03 <pavel1269> :D 15:07:35 <TrueBrain> it hit the usenet 37 minutes ago 15:07:44 <TrueBrain> possible it is a p2p .. don't care so much about that :p 15:09:12 <tokai> Must be something weird that you're so ashamed of to mention its name. :P 15:09:15 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: the dvdrip was 2 weeks ago, maybe that explains you missing it :p 15:09:16 *** Elton02612 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 15:09:29 <TrueBrain> nah, I have been waiting for this money a long time :) 15:09:29 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 15:09:29 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:42 <pavel1269> well, i dont watch anythink that new ^^ 15:09:43 <TrueBrain> I refused to watch a certain other version of it :p 15:09:56 <pavel1269> sounds like HP or sth new ... 15:10:06 <TrueBrain> IEUW! 15:10:10 <TrueBrain> what kind of person do you think I am? 15:10:26 <pavel1269> well, you know, TB ... :D 15:10:37 <tokai> Sounds like a 'censored-vs.-uncensored-pr0n' issue to me:) 15:10:44 * tokai runs 15:10:56 <TrueBrain> LOL! okay, my client was broken .. I re-announced myself, and now it picked up speed again :p 15:12:24 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: either way, rlslog.net, nuff said :p 15:12:33 <pavel1269> i know! Daffy Duck's Quackbusters! :D 15:12:37 <valhallasw> TrueBrain: 5058kbps ViDEO, by any chance? :P 15:12:58 <valhallasw> oh right 15:13:09 <valhallasw> -_- 15:13:15 <tokai> The Real World S22E08? 15:13:17 <TrueBrain> 80 mbit down, 55 mbit up .. that are more the speed I expected :p 15:13:19 <tokai> wtf. :D 15:13:20 <TrueBrain> tokai: YES!!!! 15:14:00 <tokai> Maybe I should check out Hannah Montana The Movie-ViTALiTY \o/ :D 15:14:06 <TrueBrain> it is nice :p 15:14:21 <TrueBrain> just ... they ... well .. they cut out pieces it looks like, and that makes it feel ... unfinished 15:14:25 <tokai> ah.. that seems to be a game or something 15:14:28 <tokai> well.. :) 15:14:42 <TrueBrain> (the movie, that is) 15:15:05 <TrueBrain> other movie tip: The Boat That Rocked 15:15:07 <TrueBrain> lovely movie :) 15:15:33 <tokai> I didn't watch a movie since months I guess. I'm more watching my TV shows :) 15:16:26 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aefk85.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 15:18:14 <TrueBrain> your loss, I say 15:19:55 <Rubidium> also a TV show called "Learning C++ and compiling GCC 4 for MorphOS. The real story"? :) 15:20:10 <tokai> TrueBrain: Well, I watched Metropolis a few times actually. :) 15:20:16 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you are trying that? I once tried to apply a patch from tokai .. gave up on it :p 15:20:40 <tokai> all my patches were still in C back in the days:) 15:20:41 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I've given up on it also 15:20:54 <TrueBrain> it is sad :( 15:20:58 <TrueBrain> MorphOS was nice to support :p 15:21:19 <TrueBrain> too bad that community can't even produce a good modern compiler :p :p :p :p 15:21:22 * TrueBrain hugs tokai 15:21:31 <tokai> We're currently busy with the Mac release, maybe if you have a old Mac mini/ PPC around you have a chance to try yourself:) 15:21:49 <TrueBrain> the only ppc I have is PearPC :P 15:21:50 <tokai> TrueBrain: oh well.. we have various gcc 4's etc. 15:22:01 <Rubidium> ... if we would have a mac I reckon the number of mac bug reports that are open for eons would be considerably lower 15:22:10 <TrueBrain> the last gcc4 patch you gave me never came past the cross compile part :p 15:22:17 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:22 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: that is exactly what I wrote Apple :) 15:22:23 <tokai> TrueBrain: ah.. you meant that pathc 15:22:26 <TrueBrain> still no reply though :( 15:22:35 <tokai> TrueBrain: I thoght you were refering to OpenTTD patches 15:22:39 <TrueBrain> no no :) 15:22:52 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: do you expect a reply? (I think hoping for a reply is the most we'll get) 15:23:02 <TrueBrain> no, I expect it 15:23:10 <tokai> Bjarni isn't around anymore either? 15:23:13 <TrueBrain> I emailed someone on his personal account, so I expect a reply 15:23:44 <Rubidium> when Bjarni is around he doesn't do anything remotely useful w.r.t. OpenTTD 15:23:56 <Rubidium> (except increasing the line count of #openttd) 15:24:01 <tokai> sounds like me:) 15:24:03 <TrueBrain> and Bjarni also never managed to fix a few of those bugs (simply lack of knowledge, no offense meant) 15:24:22 <tokai> Tbh, I'm a little bit scared to try a compile of current trunk on MorphOS :) 15:24:30 <TrueBrain> hehe 15:24:31 <tokai> C++ scares me:) 15:24:32 <TrueBrain> I guess you should ;) 15:24:33 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: don't be scared 15:24:39 <TrueBrain> wrong tab 15:24:47 <Rubidium> it won't get to the C++ part 15:25:14 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0FCE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:26 <tokai> last time i checked it looked like some more simple problems (conflicting types with system stuff and so on) 15:25:39 <TrueBrain> so make some time and try it :p 15:25:46 <TrueBrain> or donate us a machine where we can try it on :p :p 15:26:14 <tokai> I'm not that rich:) 15:26:21 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.253.186] has joined #openttd 15:26:34 <tokai> TrueBrain: I got myself 2 machines donated actually:) 15:26:37 <TrueBrain> I really hope Apple replies in a positive way .. then maybe we can fix those OSX problems and have a bit more stable binaries :( 15:26:56 <Audigex> what's up with the apple version? 15:27:12 <Audigex> from a curiousity point of view :) my osx knowledge is pretty much zilch 15:27:12 <Rubidium> Audigex: besides poor support for some core features? 15:27:22 <Rubidium> let me see... 15:27:25 <TrueBrain> he joins, read something, and replies to it. Rarely a good thing :p 15:27:32 <Rubidium> no way to enter CJK characters 15:27:38 <Audigex> i like to jump in halfway through a conversation 15:27:44 <Rubidium> sometimes the OS' mouse pointer doesn't get hidden 15:27:44 <TrueBrain> :) 15:28:01 <Rubidium> moving the map with scrolling touchpad apparantly fails in some cases 15:28:03 <tokai> Rubidium: I doubt that would work in the MorphOS version either:) 15:28:03 <Audigex> i had that on my eee pc at one point, couldn't replicate it though 15:28:15 <tokai> Rubidium: that CJK input 15:28:30 <tokai> not that it is important :) 15:28:31 <TrueBrain> tokai: the question is: lack of OS, or lack of knowledge to add in OpenTTD? :p 15:28:46 <tokai> TrueBrain: no such thing in the OS yet. 15:28:51 <TrueBrain> my point :) 15:28:56 <Rubidium> also the OSX port uses ancient stuff in the API, which isn't supported anymore in the newer versions (some stuff doesn't even work in 10.5 64 bits) 15:29:13 <Audigex> so it's not even that it's awkward to hack it into the code to work in osx, it's just not possible? 15:29:16 <Audigex> that is pretty shit 15:29:36 <Rubidium> then the OSX port doesn't do automatic font detection, which makes support for any non-ASCII language shitty 15:29:50 <TrueBrain> none of the above is the fault of OSX. It is the fault of no Mac owned by any dev :p 15:30:02 <tokai> Rubidium: that's an advantage of MorphOS.. it has stable public APIs :) sometimes scary how some APIs on OSX change with each release:) 15:30:06 <Rubidium> not to mention the vast amount of tricks we have to do to keep OSX compiling 15:30:26 <Audigex> no dev owns a mac? 15:30:33 <Audigex> not even a hackintosh? 15:30:41 <Rubidium> Audigex: exactly 15:30:47 <TrueBrain> we cross compile the binaries 15:30:51 <TrueBrain> which is not really .. stable 15:30:56 <Rubidium> and last *we* tried to make a hackintosh VM we failed horribly 15:31:00 <TrueBrain> tokai: OSX in fact does a nice job keepings its API clear, what belongs to what version 15:31:12 <tokai> Rubidium: usually projects use donations for financing required hardware (or are server support costs that high, nothing is left of (maybe little) donations)? 15:31:24 <Audigex> tokai 15:31:29 <Audigex> checked the price of a mac lately? 15:31:36 <Audigex> or in fact, ever 15:31:38 <tokai> I bought Macs lately 15:31:43 <TrueBrain> I think using 1700 dollar is maybe a bit much :p 15:31:46 <Audigex> yeah 15:31:47 <tokai> you don't need a powermac for this, a mac mini is enough 15:31:57 <tokai> MacPro I meant 15:32:01 <Rubidium> tokai: a leased! OSX server costs TWICE what the current server costs 15:32:03 <Audigex> i dont mind donating a fiver for the server costs 15:32:21 <TrueBrain> tokai: and then the issue: to who does the hardware go? :p 15:32:40 <Rubidium> and then for the current server we got 2TB of bandwidth and the OSX one a few GB 15:32:44 <tokai> Rubidium: err. that'S not what I meant. I meant after you remove the openttd.org server support costs from available donations you buy a small Mac from the rest for development 15:32:57 <Audigex> even a small mac is ridiculously expensive 15:33:19 <Audigex> for what it is 15:33:35 <Audigex> you can build a basic windows box for ?250 even without recycling any parts 15:33:46 <TrueBrain> well, this year there is no need for a fundraiser to support the hosting, as we have enough to cover that. That is a plus for this year ;) 15:33:47 <OwenS> Audigex: I built one for ?200. Dual core Atom Mini-ITX 15:33:55 <OwenS> Admittedly running Linux but Windows would run fine 15:34:06 <tokai> TrueBrain: of course to someone who is willing to spend time on the OSX port:) 15:34:07 <TrueBrain> OwenS: 'fine' .. ;) 15:34:08 <Audigex> owen, even more to my point 15:34:15 <Audigex> but a mac mini is ?500 15:34:22 <TrueBrain> either way, tokai, it is way way way too expensive for one target 15:34:24 <Audigex> even for the most basic one 15:34:25 <Rubidium> also a small OSX box would likely cause the compile farm's run to double 15:34:26 <Audigex> yeah 15:34:50 <Audigex> let those who have the money to afford a mac (ie, more than sense) donate a mac mini 15:34:59 <TrueBrain> tokai: either way, that is the reason we wrote Apple, to ask if they can do anything for us, if possible in the form of an XServe 15:35:12 <Audigex> but it's a bit much to expect the windows users to fund the osx development 15:35:22 <Audigex> *openttd on osx development 15:35:28 <tokai> TrueBrain: I don't think Apple will care enough for that. Sadly. 15:35:31 <Audigex> made it sound like you were suggesting we all buy apple shares :) 15:35:40 <Audigex> apple are hardly open source proponents 15:35:41 <TrueBrain> we will see. Apple in general is pretty kind 15:35:55 <Audigex> Their own version, iTTD, is more likely 15:36:03 <TrueBrain> Microsoft on the other hand simply never ever replied on our request :( 15:36:13 <TrueBrain> (even resends seem to go /dev/null) 15:37:20 <Audigex> none of the big companies ever seem to respond to small projects 15:37:26 <OwenS> Audigex: Apple are decent at Open Souce. See Darwin and Bonjour. 15:37:33 <OwenS> And LLVM. And CUPS. 15:37:34 <Audigex> last i checked, nobody's gotten a reply re the original ttd copyrights etc 15:37:41 <TrueBrain> difference with Apple is, that I first called them :) 15:37:57 <Rubidium> hmm... cheapest mac requires a monitor, which they want to give you for a mere 850 euros 15:37:57 <TrueBrain> Audigex: then you didn't checked (good)enough 15:38:17 <Rubidium> so you end up with a macbook of ~1000 euros 15:38:42 <Audigex> TrueBrain: fair enough :) what did they say? 15:38:49 <TrueBrain> nothing that helps us :) 15:38:59 <Rubidium> OwenS: ever tried to compile a compiler with apple as target? 15:39:08 <Audigex> so they didn't even say no? 15:39:18 <OwenS> Rubidium: Nope. You using Apple's GCC tree? 15:39:33 <Rubidium> OwenS: yes, the stuff from darwinsource 15:39:47 <OwenS> Thats LLVM-GCC IIRC 15:39:51 <TrueBrain> no 15:40:04 <TrueBrain> the binutils (cctools) are also an issue 15:40:16 <OwenS> XCode for Snow Leopard (and Leopard?) ships LLVM-GCC 15:40:47 <Rubidium> not to mention the patching of the gcc from darwin source we need to do to be able to compile on a NON OSX machine 15:41:56 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the patching of cctools is worse :p 15:41:58 <Rubidium> e.g. the system libraries it looks at to determine what kind of compiler it is going to make 15:42:18 <Rubidium> true, that doesn't compile out of the box for shit on non-Apple 15:42:33 <TrueBrain> at one point we added the md5 routine of OpenTTD to get it to work :p 15:42:35 <TrueBrain> hehehe 15:43:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:15 <TrueBrain> there is a reason I (still) receive about 2 to 3 mails a month about cross compiling OSX :p 15:43:26 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/compile-farm/apple-darwin9.txt <- about that :p 15:43:59 <Rubidium> OwenS: leopard at darwinsource (10.5.8) doesn't list llvm 15:44:13 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 15:44:40 <TrueBrain> hmm .. apple moved their site around :( 15:45:59 <Rubidium> nor does the source of gcc contain LLVM stuff (okay, it contains # APPLE LOCAL begin mainline llvm and an "end" for that in configure, but that's all) 15:46:04 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: oeh, btw, gcc 5493 is out :p (we use 5490) 15:46:17 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: borink ;) 15:46:20 <TrueBrain> oh, even 5572.10.2 .. 15:46:26 <TrueBrain> oh, 5646 15:46:29 <TrueBrain> I should learn to count :p 15:47:02 <Rubidium> gcc_42 you mean? 15:47:06 <TrueBrain> no 15:47:08 <TrueBrain> in the gcc dir 15:47:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:48:44 <Audigex> is there anywhere detailing the ottd server backend etc? 15:48:47 <TrueBrain> anyway, I think we made our point about how difficult OSX has been for us :) 15:48:56 <TrueBrain> Audigex: what 'backend' do you refer to? 15:49:06 <glx> we just need a dev with a mac :) 15:49:11 <Audigex> well, just information about what servers there are, how they're linked and what they do 15:49:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:37 <TrueBrain> 1 server, Quad Core, dedicated, 4 GB RAM, N GB HD (I wouldn't know), sponsored by LeaseWeb 15:49:47 <TrueBrain> and a few TB of bandwidth .. can't remember 15:49:49 <Audigex> and that does all the hosting and compiling etc? 15:50:21 <TrueBrain> yup 15:50:30 <TrueBrain> linux-vserver and virtualbox 15:50:36 <TrueBrain> the first to seperate main services from secondaries 15:50:47 <TrueBrain> the latter to give us nodes which do the compiles 15:51:03 <glx> we even natively compile for windows :) 15:51:10 <Audigex> so the compilations are all done on virtual machines? 15:51:15 <TrueBrain> yup 15:51:25 <Audigex> just using some sort of cron job or other scheduler? 15:51:35 <TrueBrain> other scheduler, I guess :p 15:51:41 <TrueBrain> there are a max of 3 VMs active at any given time 15:51:54 <Audigex> so it just runs 3, then as one finishes starts another? 15:51:59 <TrueBrain> (4 cores .. 3 VMs, 1 per core .. leaves 1 core for other operations :p) 15:52:08 <TrueBrain> target by target they are feeded to the VMs yes 15:52:14 <TrueBrain> every new target starts with a clean VM 15:52:17 <Audigex> kkoi 15:52:33 <Audigex> are the compilers different for each system? 15:52:46 <TrueBrain> every target needs another compiler mostly, yes 15:52:52 <glx> msvc for windows for example 15:52:58 <TrueBrain> target being: windows 9x, windows NT+ 15:53:04 <TrueBrain> debian lenny 15:53:06 <TrueBrain> debian etch 15:53:07 <glx> mingw for win9x 15:53:10 <TrueBrain> linux 32bit 15:53:19 <TrueBrain> etc etc .. they all need different compilers 15:53:26 <TrueBrain> what glx says :) 15:53:39 <TrueBrain> OSX is currently the only target we cross-compile 15:53:51 <TrueBrain> the others are all 'native' to their VM 15:54:00 <Audigex> kay 15:54:06 <Audigex> thanks :) 15:54:16 <TrueBrain> see, much more useful then a page which states that :p 15:54:20 <Audigex> yeah 15:54:20 <TrueBrain> that would give a boring reading :) 15:54:29 <Audigex> well, i doubt enough people want to know for an actual page 15:54:39 <Audigex> i'z just doin me some learnin' 15:54:46 <TrueBrain> I once considered writing it down .. but things change too fast 15:54:48 <glx> btw which gcc version is used for mingw ? 15:54:49 <TrueBrain> doesn't get updated 15:54:51 <TrueBrain> people complain .. 15:54:53 <Audigex> yup 15:54:54 <Rubidium> but there already is a page that has all stuff 15:54:58 <Rubidium> glx: 3.ancient 15:55:07 <Audigex> im going to go update the visual server 2008 express wiki page later 15:55:10 <glx> ha 3.4.5 then 15:55:21 <Rubidium> I'll check that though 15:55:22 <Audigex> it doesnt explain it enough independently 15:55:25 <glx> 4.4.0 is stable for mingw now 15:55:27 <Audigex> i ended up spending longer on here 15:55:39 <TrueBrain> which page? 15:55:44 <Rubidium> glx: 4.4.0 is a) buggy (as per SmatZ bug report) and annoying 15:56:07 <Audigex> http://wiki.openttd.org/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions 15:56:11 <Audigex> it's technically right 15:56:14 <TrueBrain> ah, you refered to that :p 15:56:16 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/link/1250264977#1250264977 ;) 15:56:16 <Audigex> but it doesn't explain particularly well 15:56:30 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: hehehehehee :) 15:56:32 <Audigex> needs more emphasis on certain things 15:56:38 <Audigex> took me about 10 mins to find the project properties 15:56:40 <TrueBrain> another logger ... 15:56:48 <Audigex> too much assumed knowledge, basically 15:56:54 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 15:57:39 <Audigex> look at rubidium with his fancy word-caputring device 15:57:43 <Audigex> *capturing 15:57:53 <TrueBrain> it is not him, who does that :) 15:57:56 <TrueBrain> bad assumption :p 15:58:03 <Audigex> again :( 15:58:07 <TrueBrain> either way, Audigex, if you want to know more technical aspects, feel free to ask 15:58:11 <Audigex> thanks :) 15:58:20 <Audigex> im mostly just working through the source code at the moment 15:58:26 <Audigex> i can program nicely in java 15:58:33 <Audigex> but projects are beyond anything i've ever done or had to do 15:58:34 <TrueBrain> not something to be proud at 15:58:38 <Eddi|zuHause> he has a device that can conserve spoken words through time! he's a witch! 15:58:47 <Audigex> i know, uni like java though 15:58:48 <TrueBrain> LOL @ Eddi|zuHause :) 15:58:57 <TrueBrain> the only good Java did was javadoc :p 15:59:02 <Audigex> yeah 15:59:06 <Audigex> i dont like it particularly 15:59:16 <Audigex> it's okay as a learning tool, but IMO C++ would be more useful 15:59:25 <Audigex> what's the point of learning without pointers and with garbage collection 15:59:40 <Audigex> if you just have to unlearn those habits later 15:59:49 <TrueBrain> the reason my uni teaches C++ :p 15:59:54 <Rubidium> Audigex: the point is that many uni people can't grasp pointers 15:59:55 <OwenS> Hah! My college teaches VB.Net... Ew 16:00:04 <Rubidium> and go incredible haywire when they hear about them 16:00:08 <Audigex> rubidium, true - but why dumb down the subject? 16:00:30 <Audigex> oddly enough, my friend at a less prestigious uni learns c++ - and I learn java at the "better" uni 16:00:33 <OwenS> I like a quote about MIT's CS course - half the class drops out when they introduce pointers :p 16:00:34 <Audigex> okay, hardly oxbridge 16:00:35 <Rubidium> because uni isn't there to learn you how to program 16:00:36 <Audigex> but still 16:00:46 <Rubidium> it's there to learn you the more abstract stuff of programming 16:00:49 <Audigex> it's there to take your money and give you a degree 16:01:11 <Audigex> but anyway, my point is that I can produce a pretty little program - and spout algorithms all day 16:01:16 <TrueBrain> OwenS: poor teacher .. our teacher needed 2 classes to explain the concept of pointers, and everyone took it .. even non-IT people 16:01:23 <TrueBrain> (they can't use them .. but they understand the concept :p) 16:01:30 <OwenS> lol 16:01:39 <Audigex> but putting it together into a proper project with svn, bug tracking and complex hierarchy 16:01:40 <Rubidium> wow... 2 classes about pointers? 16:01:43 <Audigex> isn't something i've done 16:01:49 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the concept and the like, yes :p 16:01:53 <OwenS> I think it's more a matter of MIT's course confusing half the students by diving head first into multi pointer indirection :p 16:01:59 <Rubidium> they just said: here's you problem, and oh... it has to be in C++ 16:02:12 <Rubidium> which is how they 'teach' C++ here 16:02:20 <TrueBrain> that is not teaching :) 16:02:38 <TrueBrain> I was really really suprised by the course 'Introduction in Programming' (called differently, but okay) 16:02:40 <Rubidium> like in the real world: you have to write X and Y program, but we don't tell you everything you need to know 16:02:46 <OwenS> Hmm... Time to refactor AlterVerse's AST to get the code generation out of it :p 16:02:49 <TrueBrain> it was good .. even the most stupid people (read: girls) understood ... 16:03:11 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Did they then have to write a project in C afterwards? :p 16:03:15 <TrueBrain> (it was a class also given to astronomers) 16:03:18 <TrueBrain> yup 16:03:20 <TrueBrain> 3 in fact 16:03:28 <Rubidium> exams where you had to program on paper... that was very challenging for some people 16:03:29 <TrueBrain> and a written exam (where you had to write C++) 16:03:32 <TrueBrain> which was the sucky part :p 16:03:36 <Audigex> i can see the point of teaching it properly 16:03:46 <Audigex> i've just finished my first year (pretty shit, mostly a repeat of a-level) 16:03:51 <Audigex> but they basically hold your hand 16:03:59 <Audigex> "do this, then do this, make this method like this" 16:04:13 <Audigex> slowly turning into "here's a task, do it" 16:04:26 <TrueBrain> you don't help someone who starves to dead by giving him a fish. Learn him how to fish. Not by doing the fishing for him, but by telling him how. 16:04:34 <Audigex> i actually look forward to the day they dont even tell us what technologies to use 16:04:44 <OwenS> I know the last computing exam here had as the last question the requirement that you write a function "in a high level language of your choice" 16:04:53 <OwenS> I wondered if brainfuck was a high level language 16:04:54 <TrueBrain> BRAINFUCK! 16:04:56 <TrueBrain> :) 16:04:58 <Audigex> yes, but you've got to give them the fish while he's learning, or he'll die 16:05:03 <Audigex> haha 16:05:06 <Rubidium> OwenS: you should've used whitespace! 16:05:11 <OwenS> I was thinking that :p 16:05:14 <Audigex> i love whitespace 16:05:17 <TrueBrain> I would have done it 16:05:18 <Audigex> i'd be so tempted 16:05:19 <TrueBrain> really, I would 16:05:30 <TrueBrain> and I would have made sure I would get my grade for it :p 16:05:33 <OwenS> I decided against it on the basis I would need a bigger box. And more time :p 16:05:45 <TrueBrain> for whitespace? Come on :) 16:05:48 <TrueBrain> you just leave it mostly empty 16:05:51 <Audigex> i just hate the way our questions go "make an ecommerce site which does x, y and z" ... "oh, and use JSP and XML" 16:05:53 <TrueBrain> say the lineheight was 2px 16:06:03 <Audigex> fucking JSP 16:06:13 <OwenS> I once played with JSP. Can't say I enjoyed it 16:06:20 <Audigex> "make an ecommerce site which does x, y and z" = 20 minute task in php using cake 16:06:21 <Pygma> In a few months I'll be able to bitch about college too :P 16:06:22 <TrueBrain> it is JAVA! 16:06:33 <TrueBrain> awh, our Pygma is growing up 16:06:34 <Audigex> "using jsp and xml"..... suddenly i'm fucking about with xpath for 3 hours 16:06:36 <TrueBrain> they grow up so fast ... 16:06:59 <OwenS> Audigex: I'd have been SOO tempted to use Jython ;p 16:07:10 <Pygma> Yup, though not sure I classify as "our Pygma", not even sure I've ever really spoken in here much before... Don't even play openTTD 16:07:22 <TrueBrain> LOL! 16:07:29 <Audigex> i was indeed tempted to use jython 16:07:29 <TrueBrain> then .. why are you here? (not to be rude or anything) 16:07:35 <Rubidium> Pygma: meet TrueBrain, he doesn't play OpenTTD either :) 16:07:36 <Audigex> but i thought they'd think i'm taking the piss 16:07:50 <OwenS> lol 16:07:50 <Pygma> I played it a while ago and joined because I had a question, but never really got into it 16:07:59 <TrueBrain> into the question? 16:08:03 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: don't be mean! :p 16:08:04 <Pygma> into the game 16:08:13 <TrueBrain> Pygma: I was joking :) 16:08:16 <Audigex> i dont play ottd much, i've spent the last 3 months in game trying to faithfully reproduce the UK network 16:08:22 <Audigex> but i havent put any trains on yet 16:08:38 <Audigex> and then i just realised that i used a non-trunk version of the game to do it, so i cant even show anyone :( 16:08:38 <TrueBrain> I can't remember the last time I played for more than 5 minutes ...... 16:08:45 <TrueBrain> (which is mostly to test this or that ...) 16:08:48 <OwenS> Audigex: I suppose it wouldn't be much JSP if your file consisited of <% import my.jython.module; Pages.Something(request, response); %> 16:08:51 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: but when is the last time you played? 16:08:51 <Pygma> Ah I wasn't sure, I've confused some people before without knowing it by using phrases they'd never heard, so i'm never sure 16:09:05 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:09:10 <Audigex> OwenS: nope, i think that the idea was that it was all jsp 16:09:24 <Rubidium> hmm... copy paste patch from 129 KiB -> 190 KiB... what has gone wrong? 16:09:24 <OwenS> Doesn't JSP support other languages yet? :P 16:09:30 <TrueBrain> lineends 16:09:43 <TrueBrain> a wopping 60000 lines 16:09:46 <TrueBrain> and you have that difference :p 16:10:15 <Audigex> i doubt they even know any other languages 16:10:23 <Audigex> at least 2 of my lecturers graduated from the same uni 16:10:36 <Audigex> they learned java, so we have to learn java 16:10:37 <TrueBrain> that is fair;y normal :p 16:10:44 <Rubidium> ah... I see... they seem to have reverted some trunk fixes 16:10:46 <Pygma> 129KiB to 190KiB due to lineends would mean each line was on average 2 characters long 16:10:56 <TrueBrain> and as one of my teachers says: JAVA IS THE LANGUAGE OF THE ENGINERING WORLD 16:11:03 <TrueBrain> 90% of the job openings are JAVA related 16:11:16 <TrueBrain> on which I say that that is because nobody wants to take that job 16:11:21 <TrueBrain> and then I am asked never to speak again .. 16:11:27 <Pygma> I believe I'll be learning Java in first year, then C++ afterwards... I already know C++ though 16:11:30 <Audigex> java is an okay language for most tasks, but it's the right language for no tasks 16:11:51 <Audigex> it tries to be all things to all people 16:11:54 <TrueBrain> well said Audigex 16:12:04 <Rubidium> and he screwed up the diff by adding .orig files too 16:12:09 <Audigex> their big "plus" point is that it's cross platform 16:12:13 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: who? :p 16:12:15 <OwenS> Audigex: I have a feeling the head of my college's computing department knows no languages other than VBA and VB.Net.. and perhaps Prolog. AKA no languages anyone actually uses. 16:12:18 <Rubidium> (or almost everything that's automatically generrated) 16:12:26 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: KingNimby 16:12:33 <TrueBrain> ah .. don't care :p 16:12:40 * tokai still prefers the best assembly language mankind ever has implemented: C (the one without ++ or other funky chars as prefix or suffix :) 16:12:41 <TrueBrain> OwenS: teaching VB is just sad 16:12:53 <TrueBrain> tokai: C89? 16:12:55 <Audigex> i learned vb in college 16:12:59 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Not sad. TORTURE. 16:13:01 <Audigex> what a waste of 7 months 16:13:02 <tokai> TrueBrain: works for me:) 16:13:05 <TrueBrain> :p 16:13:13 <TrueBrain> VB is like a language you will never EVER use in any sane commercial product 16:13:15 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 16:13:18 <Audigex> yup 16:13:28 <TrueBrain> I worked at a highschool, and they bought a product, that was advertised as the best int he market 16:13:30 <glx> it's useful in excel :) 16:13:32 <OwenS> Audigex: I agree on the waste of time. I'm not taking it in my second year :p 16:13:35 <glx> but that's all 16:13:37 <TrueBrain> I strongly suggested them not to buy .. as I have seen the demo: VB! 16:13:42 <TrueBrain> what a waste of money it was ... omg ... 16:13:57 <TrueBrain> glx: it is a nice SCRIPTING language, and it should be used as such :p 16:14:00 <Audigex> java just seems to have no advantages to me 16:14:04 <Audigex> the API has been over-made 16:14:08 <Audigex> it's too complex 16:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: apparently you can use it in INSANE commercial products 16:14:17 <Audigex> they'd be better off actually removing some of it 16:14:17 <TrueBrain> BUT THE WHOLE ENGINERING WORLD USES IT! (lol :p) 16:14:23 <Audigex> haha 16:14:33 <OwenS> I've only seen a couple of nice VB apps. One was an ASP.net webapp and the other a Windows Form app. They did have some pretty good developers though 16:14:37 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yeah ... insane product it was .... 16:14:42 <Audigex> and why the fuck you can't compile direct to machine code is beyond me 16:14:50 <TrueBrain> that is basic 16:14:50 <Audigex> i can understand wanting to half-compile half-interpret in some situations 16:14:55 <TrueBrain> from QBASIC on, that was not possible 16:14:58 <OwenS> Though "pretty good" is relative when I could code faster than them in high school... 16:15:03 <Audigex> but 99% of the time i'd want a native binary 16:15:06 <Audigex> which java doesnt like 16:15:10 <Audigex> brb 16:15:12 <Audigex> need a wee wee 16:15:17 <TrueBrain> need? 16:15:18 <TrueBrain> ieuw 16:15:36 <tokai> what's a wee wee? a nap or a walk to the special place? 16:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> is that remotely related to a Wii? 16:15:50 <TrueBrain> it doesn't sound like a nap to me :) 16:16:58 * tokai checked Google and knows now one more useless thing. 16:17:21 <Audigex> haha, you just googled wee wee? 16:17:31 <TrueBrain> "eliminate urine" <- LOL!! 16:17:40 <TrueBrain> I now see weird methods to do so :) 16:17:45 <tokai> Audigex: yes. One way to find out what it means, right? :) 16:17:58 <Audigex> well, it works 16:18:10 <TrueBrain> something to do with torches 16:18:10 <Audigex> i thought it was more common a word than that 16:18:21 <Audigex> truebrain - that's illuminate 16:18:32 <TrueBrain> eliminate 16:18:41 <Audigex> eliminate = get rid of 16:18:50 <TrueBrain> illuminate has to do with light 16:18:59 <Audigex> yeah 16:19:04 <Audigex> wait, now im confused 16:19:05 <TrueBrain> I meant holding a flamethrower over it to eliminate the urine 16:19:07 <OwenS> Anyone got any suggestions on the best way to separate code generation from my AST? Hmm... 16:19:10 <TrueBrain> or to get a knife and try to kill it 16:19:17 <Audigex> ah, i thought you meant a torch as in batteries and bulb 16:19:21 <TrueBrain> OwenS: rm -rf AST/* 16:19:27 <TrueBrain> no, as in a flame 16:19:28 <Audigex> and shine it into the stream of urine to light it up 16:19:38 <Audigex> it'd be like optical fibre 16:19:40 <OwenS> TrueBrain: ... I mean the best interface to implement to do so -.- 16:19:49 <TrueBrain> owh ... 16:19:50 <TrueBrain> my bad :p 16:19:54 <Audigex> "the network's down" "quick, piss into this router and shine a torch into it" 16:20:24 <TrueBrain> yeah ... but how do you eliminate urine? 16:20:26 <TrueBrain> really? 16:20:29 <TrueBrain> how? 16:20:40 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Antimatter! 16:20:47 <TrueBrain> geek 16:20:54 <TrueBrain> I am going to have some dinner 16:21:01 <Audigex> couldn't you just evaporate it? 16:21:04 <TrueBrain> you guys scare me 16:21:17 <Audigex> leaving you with the proteins and amino acids 16:21:19 <TrueBrain> Audigex: as I said: use a flamethrower 16:21:24 <OwenS> Audigex: And Urea 16:21:36 <Audigex> urea = amino acids and proteins? 16:21:48 <OwenS> i thought it was a compound of it's own/ 16:22:03 <Audigex> A water-soluble organic compound, CO(NH2)2, formed by the metabolism of proteins and excreted in the urine 16:22:17 <Audigex> i think it's slightly more complex than amino acids and protein, but pretty much :) 16:22:25 <Audigex> the point being, osx sucks 16:22:40 <OwenS> Protiens are quire complex :p 16:22:45 <TrueBrain> no, OSX is nice .. not having the hardware sucks :p 16:23:32 <Audigex> i dont like the OS 16:23:40 <Audigex> used a mates macbook pro a few times, it just seems fiddly to me 16:23:54 <Audigex> i'd probably get used to it, but i'll stick with my w7 box for now 16:24:41 <OwenS> I'm going to question the legality of that Windows 7 box. Firstly because IIRC it's not out yet. Secondly because I know how stiffed Europe is being with MS' upgrade prices. 16:25:27 <Audigex> owens: release candidate 16:25:36 <Audigex> completely free, 100% legal 16:26:03 <Audigex> it's limited, so it'll stop working next march(?) 16:26:04 <OwenS> 100% timebombed 16:26:08 <Audigex> yeah 16:26:14 <Audigex> but i dont need it to last that long 16:26:29 <Audigex> my uni is part of the msdnaa (academic alliance) 16:26:35 <OwenS> I switched to Linux when I got pissed that MS were only going to OEM XP x64 with x64 processors 16:26:39 <Audigex> so i get all windows software apart from office for free 16:26:51 <OwenS> You can't use MSDN apps for anything other than software development. It's in the terms of use. 16:26:57 <Audigex> it's the academic alliance 16:27:05 <Audigex> so it's slightly different 16:27:16 <Audigex> i can use it for any non-profit use I like 16:27:46 <Audigex> so i'll just get w7 when it appears on the aa network share 16:27:54 <Audigex> and i even get to keep it after i finish uni :) 16:28:04 <glx> <OwenS> I switched to Linux when I got pissed that MS were only going to OEM XP x64 with x64 processors <-- that's logical for OEM, there have been too many abuses 16:28:19 <OwenS> glx: I mean no retail sales. You HAVE to buy it with a processor 16:28:22 <glx> like buy a mouse to get OEM windows 16:28:24 <Audigex> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/academic/dd759402.aspx 16:28:44 <OwenS> glx: Which meant I would have to buy a new CPU with it... No thanks at all. 16:28:53 <Audigex> that is a bit shit :s 16:29:20 <Audigex> the academic alliance is awesome though 16:29:30 <Audigex> really upped my respect for microsoft 16:29:32 <OwenS> I went Linux cold turkey... And haven't looked back since. 16:30:04 <Audigex> i'd be a lot more willing to go linux if the wireless networking was up to par 16:30:23 <Rubidium> Audigex: in what way is the AA license awesome? 16:30:25 <Audigex> i've got three different dongles, one pci card and two laptops with built in wireless 16:30:34 <Audigex> rubidium - it's awesome for my needs 16:30:40 <OwenS> Linux comes broken... But once you do a little fixing, no work updating it (It's a click every now and again), no need for AV software, no need for anti spyware software. Once it works.... it just stays working 16:30:41 <Rubidium> like the most important thing is not included: Office 16:30:56 <Rubidium> okay, you get the plus pack for Windows 95, but who cares about that? 16:31:06 <Audigex> office is the only thing not included, and there's a seperate offer to get office for ?30 16:31:11 <OwenS> Rubidium: Last time I saw MSDN... You could get MS-DOS 6.22... 16:31:16 <Audigex> which i was happy to pay, since i dont like open-office 16:31:20 <Rubidium> OwenS: you still can! 16:31:22 <OwenS> Windows comes working but has a breaking itself fetish 16:31:30 <OwenS> Rubidium: And Win 3.11! 16:31:39 <Audigex> i've never had a problem with windows 16:31:43 <Audigex> well 16:31:45 <Audigex> recently 16:31:57 <Audigex> ME and 98 were iffy, but i moved onto xp 4 years ago and haven't had an issue since 16:32:20 <Audigex> that xp box is still running happily with only one reformat after 2 years 16:32:22 <OwenS> I personaly prefer not to waste a core on AV software :p 16:32:37 <Audigex> vista laptop is perfectly happy 16:32:41 <Audigex> and my windows 7 box flies 16:32:43 <Rubidium> glx: CF runs gcc 3.4.5 (mingw-vista special r3) 16:32:59 <Audigex> the hard drive is crap, but thats harldy their fault 16:33:20 <Audigex> i've only ever seen one bluescreen on vista 16:33:20 <glx> Rubidium: that's what I used before upgrading to gcc-4.4.0 16:33:34 <Audigex> and no non-overclock related on on w7 16:33:41 <OwenS> Audigex: Plus. once you learn BASH, you'll never want to go back :p 16:33:58 <glx> bash works on windoxs :) 16:34:08 <OwenS> glx: Yes. But Windows' CLI interface is horrid 16:34:15 <Audigex> i like GUIs 16:34:40 <OwenS> So do I. But the CLI is so much faster it's silly 16:35:01 <glx> it's not windows, it's PE :) 16:35:17 <Audigex> i do so little with the actual os though 16:35:29 <Audigex> i've got a well laid out hard drive, so any file is 3 clicks away 16:35:29 <glx> why did they imagine a flag to specify CLI or GUI would be useful 16:35:36 <Rubidium> oh, just a quick question: why does a clean Windows 2003 (x64) + MSVC 2008 (incl x64) take almost 20 GB? 16:35:54 <Rubidium> it scared the hell out of me 16:35:57 <Audigex> and the search bar on the vista/w7 start bar makes programs easy to get to 16:36:07 <OwenS> Vs a Ubuntu install (Kernel + Userspace + GCC + OpenOffice) at 1.2GB? :p 16:36:12 <Audigex> windows does take a ridiculous amount of hard drive space... in comparison to other os's 16:36:30 <OwenS> Audigex: On KDE, Alt+F2 and start typing :p 16:36:33 <Audigex> but hard drive space has massively outpaced windows bloat 16:36:50 <OwenS> RAM hasn't 16:37:00 <Audigex> owen - that means you have to remember hard drive and folder names 16:37:13 <Audigex> i have 4gb in this box, cost me all of ?35 16:37:16 <OwenS> No it doesn't. It opens files, executables, and menu items 16:37:19 <Audigex> and windows is plenty happy enough with it 16:37:31 <Audigex> it still means you have to remember the file, executable or menu name 16:37:32 <glx> yeah vista uses 1GB when idling 16:37:51 <Rubidium> Audigex: not when you multiply the number of Windowses on you machine by a relatively large number 16:38:04 <OwenS> Audigex: It's like Vista's search 16:38:17 <Audigex> rubidium, i'm yet to use over 2.5gb 16:38:51 <OwenS> I'm currently at 1.8GB in use... Half of that is my Opera tab collection (It's huge); 400MB is SunStudio; rest is baseline KDE + Kopete + Konversation + Other apps 16:38:58 <Rubidium> like... you need 4+ versions of XP to test roughly all cases; the Korean Windows XP is significantly different from the rest 16:39:03 <Rubidium> so is the Chinese Windows XP 16:39:35 <Audigex> IMO linux does itself more damage than good 16:39:36 <glx> yeah we had fun with these VMs :) 16:39:47 <Audigex> i love when linux users bash windows for having so many versions 16:39:59 <Audigex> "vista basic, home basic, home premium, enterprise and ultimate... lol" 16:40:08 <Rubidium> Audigex: I'm not bashing them for that 16:40:10 <Audigex> then i look at how many distributions of linux there are 16:40:17 <Audigex> no, i changed subject slightly there 16:40:32 <Rubidium> I'm bashing them for having 3+ versions with THE SAME FRACKING NAME AND VERSION NUMBER that are NOT the same 16:40:47 <OwenS> And each taking ~5GB of HD space for less than Linux does in 1GB :p 16:40:48 <Audigex> bashworthy :) 16:40:59 <OwenS> Audigex: And you only need to know one word, really: Ubuntu. If you're a big business, two: Red Hat 16:41:04 <glx> with different behaviour regarding fonts and registry 16:41:23 <Audigex> owen - but the community are so determined to run a load of different distros 16:41:38 <Audigex> don't get me wrong, i'm not a windows fanboy-ubuntu hater - i just dont have a problem with windows 16:41:56 <Audigex> but why the hell does ubuntu need gnome and kde? and then some programs which don't work on both 16:42:03 <Audigex> plus xfce and a handful of others 16:42:23 <OwenS> Audigex: Because some people prefer KDE and some Gnome. IMO, KDE is better 16:42:24 <Rubidium> Audigex: 1) Ubuntu only has gnome, Kubuntu has KDE 16:42:36 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:51 <Audigex> rubidium, kubuntu = ubunti with kde instead of gnome, so for the purposes of my argument it's the same os with a different DE 16:42:53 <OwenS> XUbuntu is for constrained (Read: Old) systems. Mythbuntu is for home theater PCs 16:43:11 <Audigex> kubuntu is no different from ubuntu other than the desktop environment 16:43:16 <Audigex> xubuntu is fantastic 16:43:23 <OwenS> Audigex: Answer is that theres a ~50-50 split between KDE and Gnome people :p 16:43:25 <Audigex> it's on my sister's old laptop and is faster than xp ever was 16:43:40 <Audigex> owen, 50% of the people need to give up for the sake of the community 16:43:50 <Pygma> The cool 50% of people use KDE, the losers use GNOME 16:43:51 <Audigex> until there's some cohesion linux isn't going anywhere 16:43:52 <Rubidium> Audigex: really? 16:43:55 <glx> why, choice is good 16:44:01 <Rubidium> Audigex: so lets drop Firefox and Opera 16:44:17 <Rubidium> because MSIE has the most market share 16:44:30 <Audigex> not what i'm saying ;) 16:44:40 <Rubidium> ofcourse, that'd mean no new MSIE versions for many years to come until a new Firefox appears 16:44:45 <Audigex> although i get your point 16:45:10 <Audigex> but basically, gnome and kde are splitting an already small market share, and confusing those who'd like to swap onto linux 16:45:37 <Audigex> i'm pretty technical - but i had to spent a few hours researching, and even then i wouldn't want to choose between kde and gnome 16:45:43 <Audigex> it just wouldn't be informed enough 16:46:03 <Audigex> linux is for technical minded users and will stay niche until there's a concerted effort to make it appealing to the wider audience 16:46:07 <Rubidium> Audigex: and chosing between Windows and Linux is an "informed" choice for many people? 16:46:23 * Rubidium doesn't run either gnome or kde though 16:46:28 <Audigex> no, for most it's "windows is all that exists" 16:46:43 <Audigex> but the point is that it's a lot harder to persuade people to swap if there are decisions to make about it 16:46:49 <Audigex> "use linux, it's better than windows" 16:46:52 <Audigex> "but which linux?" 16:46:54 <Rubidium> reminds me of those zdnet.au people 16:46:55 <Audigex> "ubuntu" 16:46:59 <Audigex> "but which ubuntu" 16:47:12 <Audigex> i understand that some prefer kde or gnome - but neither are flawed 16:47:16 <OwenS> I always say "Use KUbuntu". Everyone I know who's switched has been happy with it :p 16:47:18 <Audigex> they're just strong in different ways 16:47:29 <Alberth> welcome to open source where *you* get to chose, instead of the manufacturer. 16:47:31 <Audigex> unlike ie vs firefox 16:47:39 <Rubidium> http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Is-it-Windows-7-or-KDE-4-/0,139023769,339294810,00.htm <- they don't know windows 16:47:51 <Audigex> i just think that kda and gnome would be better off by combining their efforts 16:48:00 <Audigex> they're not so different that they couldn't be reconciled 16:48:08 <Audigex> okay, some compromises would have to be made 16:48:13 <OwenS> One is C and GTK. The other is C++ and QT 16:48:15 <Alberth> just the basic GUI toolkit :) 16:48:33 <Audigex> a lot of the time, though, they spend twice as long in development 16:48:38 <Audigex> putting the same basic features into each 16:49:00 <Alberth> so? 16:49:18 <Alberth> like us, they are volunteers, and they do what they like to do 16:49:24 <OwenS> GNOME tends to be full of people who develop for it because they're FSF fanatics. KDE tends to be full of people who are more pragmatic and are more concerned about the outcome. 16:49:27 <Rubidium> Audigex: doubling the number of developers seldomly double the amount of work that gets done 16:49:34 <Audigex> yes, but they're basically building it for themselves 16:49:40 <Audigex> i know, my argument is flawed 16:49:48 <OwenS> After alll... Gnome developed because the FSF got it's knickers in a knot about Qt licensing 16:49:50 <Rubidium> more developers => more/bigger discussions => more disagreement => less work that gets actually done 16:49:53 <Audigex> but geeks building their own versions isn't going to get anywhere 16:50:09 <Audigex> i know it'll never change 16:50:20 <Audigex> and thats why i think linux will forever be niche in the home market 16:50:26 <Alberth> I doubt most geeks care about market share 16:51:15 <glx> Audigex: beginners have no problems using linux (as they never used windows either) 16:51:24 <Rubidium> the 'major' problem with geeks not being in a company is that they don't cut corners as often 16:51:35 <Rubidium> that's what slows most stuff down a bit 16:51:40 <Audigex> glx - nobody begins with linux though, in the western world 16:51:52 <SmatZ> Audigex: my mother? 16:52:14 <Audigex> pah, always an answer 16:52:22 <Audigex> i need to be more specific 16:52:48 <Audigex> "the vast majority of people in the western world learn windows due to the monopoly in schools and high prevalence of windows in that environment" 16:52:59 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.42.117] has joined #openttd 16:53:09 <SmatZ> ok :) 16:53:12 <OwenS> A German education authority recently went KDE IIRC 16:53:29 <Audigex> one authority 16:53:31 <Audigex> it's happening 16:53:34 <Audigex> but it's slow 16:53:40 <Audigex> and very little publicised 16:54:03 <Audigex> i do hope that linux takes off more 16:54:07 <Audigex> i think it'd be a big plus point 16:54:18 <Audigex> i've nothing against windows, but competition is always a good thing 16:54:23 <Rubidium> throwing lots of money in advertisement usually means that your product isn't good enough to be sold due to word-of-mouth 16:54:26 <Audigex> and apple just doesn't compete the same 16:54:33 <Rubidium> or whatever it's called 16:54:45 <Audigex> as soon as more governmental agencies etc realise how much cheaper linux is 16:54:55 <Audigex> and therefore how much more of their budget can be used on their own bonuses 16:54:57 <Audigex> it'll be away 16:55:14 <Rubidium> Audigex: only as soon as more governmental agencies look more in the future than 1 year... 16:55:22 <Audigex> yup 16:55:28 <Audigex> it'll happen, eventually 16:55:34 <Rubidium> cause 1 year TCO of Linux (if you have Windows) is massively more expensive 16:55:56 <Audigex> the migration would be the expensive bit 16:56:04 <Audigex> it'll start in schools 16:56:11 <Audigex> they could all start using linux now on dual-boot 16:56:13 <Audigex> and teach both 16:56:17 <Audigex> but why confuse the kids? 16:56:25 <glx> in school it's different, they usually have very old stuff 16:56:28 <Rubidium> gheheh, I already ran Linux in highschool 10 years ago 16:56:33 <SmatZ> do you think it would be confusing? 16:56:34 <glx> because there's no budget 16:56:47 <Audigex> i think it could be, because the teachers themselves won't know linux well enough 16:56:49 <Rubidium> and uni has been using dual boot since I started that 16:56:52 <Audigex> if the teacher themselves muddle through it 16:57:07 <Audigex> glx: my schools were better equipped than my college and uni are 16:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> our school had exactly one linux computer 16:57:26 <SmatZ> Audigex: as if they knew Windows... (at least here... some pupils knew far more than teachers) 16:57:27 <Audigex> ours had none, but it had a lot which were capable 16:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't get along with it really well... 16:57:37 <Audigex> i knew more than my teachers 16:57:56 <Rubidium> SmatZ: at highschools some pupils usually know more than the admins 16:57:59 <Audigex> at one point, my detention for accessing the file share system was showing the techs how to stop someone else doing it 16:58:10 <Audigex> but that's still a handful of kids per year 16:58:16 <Audigex> i only left high school 3 years ago 16:58:20 <SmatZ> Rubidium: we had some geeky admin, so it wasn't the case :) 16:58:34 <Audigex> but still too high a percentage of my year had no it skills 16:58:35 <glx> in middle school we had MO5 network 16:58:36 <Audigex> or nothing of value 16:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it was fun watching three teachers diagnose the BNC network here ;) 16:59:31 <glx> missing terminator ? 16:59:43 *** LaSeandre [~LaSeandre@host86-140-253-237.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> not really sure anymore... probably more like broken cable or network card 17:00:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it was not the easiest network ;) 17:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause> we had three computer cabinets and a handful of lone computers spread over the building 17:00:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:00:46 <glx> yeah one little thing breaks all the network 17:00:47 * Rubidium remembers BNC network cards that could become a terminator using some software setting... those were fun! 17:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it was kind of stretching the distance limits as well... 17:01:30 <glx> SCSI chains were nice too 17:02:09 *** Lisby [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 17:02:32 <Eddi|zuHause> our "networking" semester kind of consisted of us chatting with netmeeting ;) 17:07:03 <SmatZ> fonsinchen: there seems to be a problem with the smallmap-zoom patch, when the window is opened, the "+" button isn't greyed out, and the button next to it is pressed for few ticks 17:08:48 *** Terkhen [~kvirc@ti0034a380-1631.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 17:10:58 <fonsinchen> oh 17:11:22 <fonsinchen> well, probably something isn't properly initialized 17:11:40 <fonsinchen> I'll have a look at it. 17:12:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17168 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: apply coding style to if and while statements 17:14:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:14:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17169 /trunk/src/ (misc/crc32.hpp network/core/host.cpp npf.cpp widget.cpp): -Codechange: apply coding style to some for statements 17:14:20 <Audigex> is the smallmap being updated? 17:14:33 <Audigex> i thought i got a sniff of someone working on it, but i've forgotten what they were doing 17:15:37 <SmatZ> :) 17:15:48 <fonsinchen> There is a smallmap zooming patch. 17:15:51 <fonsinchen> Actually 3 17:16:03 <Audigex> making it actually useful again? 17:16:09 <SmatZ> :-p 17:16:10 <fonsinchen> I hope so. 17:17:20 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@f197062.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:17:22 <_ln> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ead-outlet.jpg 17:17:30 <Audigex> two questions 17:17:42 <Audigex> what files are the advanced settings window and the cheat window found in 17:17:46 <Audigex> well, one question - two answers 17:17:53 <SmatZ> yes 17:17:53 <Audigex> or at least, what sort of direction should i be looking? 17:18:02 <SmatZ> _gui.cpp 17:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: hey. i wanted to say that. 17:18:08 <Rubidium> /trunk/src/ 17:18:21 <Audigex> rubidium, i got that much ;) 17:18:24 <Audigex> thanks smatz 17:18:27 <SmatZ> :) 17:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: what are you trying to say there? 17:20:39 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-154-217-48.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:00 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-154-217-48.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:10 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: i was trying to contribute to the BNC discussion by showing another way of connecting coaxial ethernet. 17:21:48 <Eddi|zuHause> then why don't you say that? 17:22:24 *** ^Spike^ is now known as ^spike^ 17:23:06 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: the discussing with pure urls principle. 17:23:19 *** bb10 [~nn@j27019.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause> http://so.why.don.t.you.talk.in.urls.then/? 17:23:46 <fonsinchen> smatz, which button is pressed for a few ticks? 17:24:02 <fonsinchen> The "center" or the "zoom out" one? 17:24:10 <SmatZ> the button next to "zoom in" 17:24:10 <fonsinchen> (it doesn't happen here) 17:24:31 <fonsinchen> vertically or horizontically next 17:24:42 <SmatZ> horizontally 17:24:49 <SmatZ> I would say "zoom out" else :) 17:24:59 <SmatZ> the one with the "minimap" icon 17:25:10 <SmatZ> SM_WIDGET_CONTOUR I htink 17:26:16 <SmatZ> fonsinchen: no, actually SM_WIDGET_CENTERMAP 17:27:18 *** ^spike^ is now known as ^Spike^ 17:28:05 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 17:28:34 <OwenS> Hmm... Anyone know a tool to convert the encoding of file names? 17:28:59 <SmatZ> fonsinchen: actually, it would be nice if only drawing was done in OnPaint()... the window system is going this direction 17:29:06 <SmatZ> but that can be done later 17:29:20 <OwenS> It appears I have a bunch of file names encoded in SHIFT-JIS -_- 17:29:31 <SmatZ> (eg. not disabling/enabling widgets in OnPaint() and such) 17:32:53 <Rubidium> OwenS: iconv? 17:33:11 <OwenS> Doesn't that just do contents? 17:33:17 <_ln> iconv is... not the optimal solution if there's more than a few files. 17:33:46 <Rubidium> can you just dump the filename and run iconv over that? 17:33:54 <_ln> OwenS: use convmv instead. 17:33:56 <SmatZ> OwenS: share that directory via samba and set the encoding there? 17:34:17 <OwenS> SmatZ: I don't fancy transfering ~2GB of stuff over 100mbit ethernet 17:34:26 <OwenS> I've found convmv and am installing it =) 17:34:33 <Rubidium> why? that's like 20 seconds? 17:34:47 <Rubidium> uhm... 200 seconds ;) 17:34:52 <Rubidium> a mere 3 minutes 17:35:20 <SmatZ> :) 17:35:27 <SmatZ> you could copy it locally 17:35:35 <Rubidium> that's way faster than a OSX compile of OpenTTD 17:37:08 <glx> or an MSVC release build of openttd 17:37:36 <_ln> "the great wall of china took less time to build than OpenTTD on OS X" 17:38:19 <Rubidium> MSVC release build is considerably faster than OSX compiles 17:38:47 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.114.39.185.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:40 <Lakie> Isn't the OSX compiler gcc (or a cross compile through mingw) or do they use a more speciallized one? 17:39:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:25 <_ln> it's Apple's edition of gcc. 17:40:31 <Lakie> Ah. 17:40:57 <_ln> which, btw, had support for precompiled headers way before the vanilla gcc did. 17:41:03 <OwenS> Hmm 17:41:08 <OwenS> The files are UTF-8 17:41:16 <OwenS> The issue is apparently somewhere on the Samba pipe between machines 17:41:41 <Sacro> hmm 17:42:42 <OwenS> As in... my machine reports junk 17:43:33 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.208.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:54 <OwenS> Note to self: Stop trying to use pfexec on Linux 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17170 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 91 changes by Tvel 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by Kwokfu 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: greek - 76 changes by fumantsu 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 48 changes by pinochioxy 17:46:58 *** Elton02612 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:23 <fonsinchen> smatz, http://paste.openttd.org/197276 17:49:44 <fonsinchen> fixes the problem with depressed center map and non-invalidated "+" 17:50:04 <fonsinchen> but I'll post a new version of the patch, too - tomorrow 17:51:21 <OwenS> whoo! 17:51:23 <OwenS> Got it! 17:51:49 <OwenS> For those interested: On all machines set "dos charset=UTF-8", then in /etc/fstab set iocharset=utf8 17:52:52 <TrueBrain> no thank you 17:55:12 <TinoDidriksen> OwenS, Samba usually handles that transparently. Must have an interesting setup to run into that problem. 17:55:33 <TrueBrain> My Samba (default setup) can't send any UTF-8 filename 17:55:39 <TrueBrain> becomes 8.0 filename .. 17:55:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:56:00 <OwenS> TinoDidriksen: It defaulted to CP437 IIRC on both my Ubuntu and Solaris boxes for the server charset, and I don't know what for the client charset 17:56:01 <TrueBrain> steps to reproduce: install Gentoo && emerge -av samba 17:56:22 <Audigex> i really want to start a new distributed computing project 17:56:26 <OwenS> Steps to reproduce: apt-get install samba (Ubuntu) or pkg install SUNWsamba (Solaris) :p 17:56:26 <Audigex> shakespeare @ home 17:56:42 <TrueBrain> so I think TinoDidriksen doesn't has his facts straight :) 17:56:47 <OwenS> This doesn't involve virtual monkeys? :P 17:56:54 <Audigex> thats the idea 17:56:54 <TrueBrain> Audigex: DO IT! :) 17:57:06 <TinoDidriksen> I just know I've never had to fiddle with filename encoding between Windows and Linux over Samba... 17:57:11 <Audigex> each client just randomly produces letters 17:57:19 <Audigex> and compares it to shakespeare 17:57:31 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: the fact that you didn't isn't any argument why in general it should work or that when it doesn't work it shoudl give an interesting setup :p 17:57:35 <Audigex> first we'll try with "whole words" 17:57:38 <Audigex> then paragraphs 17:57:41 <Audigex> then pages 17:57:45 <OwenS> TinoDidriksen: Do you regularly exchange non-ASCII/Non-ISO-8859(?) characters? 17:57:49 <Audigex> then individual plays 17:57:49 <TrueBrain> Audigex: and the use is ...? :) 17:57:55 <Audigex> and finally the entire works of shakespeare 17:58:12 <OwenS> Audigex: Then record the PRNG parameters required? :p 17:58:33 <Audigex> to prove whether or not a million monkeys on a million typewriters for a million years could eventually produce the works of shakespeare 17:58:42 <Audigex> although i think an average quad core is faster than a monkey 17:58:48 <Audigex> so we won't need a million yeasr 17:58:50 <Audigex> *years 17:58:56 <OwenS> I think it's faster than ~1000 monkeys. per core. 17:58:59 <Audigex> we just need to work out the average keystroke rate of a monkey 17:59:02 <TrueBrain> hmm ... well, if you random pick letters you might be able to 17:59:05 <Audigex> and adjust from it 17:59:05 <TrueBrain> but else ... 17:59:09 <OwenS> (Assuming a computationaly expensive RNG) 17:59:11 <TrueBrain> how long is a work of shakespeare? 17:59:18 <Audigex> the complete works is quite long 17:59:27 <Audigex> thats the idea 17:59:34 <TrueBrain> given we only use the 26 letters on the keyboard 17:59:35 <Audigex> i want to find out how many years and how many monkeys it would take 17:59:38 <TrueBrain> and say ... 10000 letters? 17:59:40 <TrueBrain> gives 17:59:42 <Audigex> truebraini 17:59:44 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(26,10000) 17:59:45 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so. 17:59:47 <TrueBrain> :p 17:59:52 <Audigex> TrueBrain: its not quite 18:00:05 <Audigex> alphanumeric 18:00:08 <Audigex> and they can't just type the words 18:00:11 <Audigex> we need punctuation 18:00:15 <Audigex> etc 18:00:17 <TrueBrain> only increases the number :) 18:00:20 <Audigex> yup 18:00:20 <TrueBrain> so .. 36 chars? 18:00:21 <TrueBrain> 46? 18:00:24 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(46,10000) 18:00:24 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so. 18:00:28 <TrueBrain> LOL :p 18:00:28 <Audigex> i think we can ignore capitalisation 18:00:36 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(46,1000) 18:00:36 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so. 18:00:41 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(46,100) 18:00:41 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 18870489598153477164312816049050162012684798868211435340739238604627801371313887236891121749334612527280219243510161776285138269791231345576101875565890940589320437760 18:00:48 <Audigex> okay, we may need to go 64bit on the client :( 18:01:00 <TrueBrain> euhm .. try .. bigger? 18:01:16 <TrueBrain> but okay, a fast computer can handle .. what ... 10^9 chars per second? 18:01:18 <Audigex> it's okay, we can just split the calculations 18:01:32 <Audigex> and how fast can a monkey type? 18:01:34 <TrueBrain> hell, give it 10^50 for all I care :p 18:01:41 <Audigex> it can't be more than about 3 keys/second 18:01:43 <TrueBrain> well .. imagine the computer time you need :p 18:01:52 <xmakina> @calc pow(-1,-1) 18:01:52 <DorpsGek> xmakina: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 18:01:53 <xmakina> ? 18:02:00 <TrueBrain> 10^308 ..... 18:02:01 <Audigex> so really we need one computer for every 3^9 monkeys 18:02:04 <Audigex> xmakina - i 18:02:10 <TrueBrain> we need 10^250 computers to finish in 1 second :p 18:02:18 <Audigex> square root of minus 1 = imaginary number 18:02:33 <TrueBrain> -1 is not the square root .. 18:02:39 <TrueBrain> that is 0.5 18:02:39 <Audigex> well one computer can do 3trillion monkeys 18:02:50 <Audigex> if your numbers are right 18:03:00 <Audigex> but it's not just about producing the random numbers 18:03:04 <TrueBrain> no .. I am showing you that all the computers in the world won't finish before the end of the earth 18:03:07 <Audigex> the hard part is comparing it to the works of shakespeare 18:03:21 <Audigex> maybe not now, but computers can get faster 18:03:34 <TrueBrain> euh ... a factor 10^200 faster? 18:03:45 <Audigex> a million monkeys, a million years 18:03:57 <TrueBrain> wild ideas, okay .. but this just isn't real :p 18:03:58 <OwenS> @calc log2(10^200)*1.5 18:03:58 <DorpsGek> OwenS: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 18:04:08 <OwenS> @calc log(2, 10^200)*1.5 18:04:08 <DorpsGek> OwenS: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 18:04:14 <Audigex> that's only 3^x10^12 years worth 18:04:21 <TrueBrain> OwenS: 10^200 = pow(10, 200) 18:04:27 <OwenS> @calc log(10^200)/log(2)*1.5 18:04:27 <DorpsGek> OwenS: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 18:04:34 <OwenS> @calc log(pow(10, 200))/log(2)*1.5 18:04:34 <DorpsGek> OwenS: 996.578428466 18:04:38 <Audigex> @calc 3x10^12 18:04:38 <DorpsGek> Audigex: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 18:04:44 <OwenS> Audigex: 996 years. Optimistically. 18:04:44 <Audigex> pah 18:04:54 <TrueBrain> OwenS: for what? 18:05:00 <TrueBrain> oh, the magnitude faster 18:05:02 <TrueBrain> haha :) 18:05:06 <OwenS> Computers to get 10^200 faster according to moores law 18:05:10 <TrueBrain> so Audigex, in 1000 years you can try to suggest your idea :p 18:05:18 <TrueBrain> still requires 10^40 computers or so :p 18:05:24 <Audigex> pah 18:05:35 <OwenS> This is assuming Moore's Law will still be working. Unlikely. I imagine physical constraints bottoming out before then 18:05:41 <TrueBrain> there is a reason why we say: a password of more than 12 chars is 'brute-force' safe :p 18:05:50 <TrueBrain> OwenS: they already did 18:05:52 <TrueBrain> power-wall 18:05:54 <TrueBrain> memory-wall 18:06:02 <TrueBrain> heat-wall 18:06:07 <Audigex> and we're hitting the limits of silicone 18:06:12 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Moore's Law for semiconductors in general is still there 18:06:19 <OwenS> Audigex: Silicon! Silicone is sealent stuff :p 18:06:23 <TrueBrain> 'in general' .. :p 18:06:25 <Audigex> oh piss off xD 18:06:27 <TrueBrain> but okay :) 18:06:28 <OwenS> Your search may have to go nontraditional. Can I suggest Quantum computing, and for your sort algortihm, the Quantum Bogosort 18:06:36 <Audigex> right 18:06:38 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.42.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:40 <Audigex> i'd better hit wikipedia 18:06:44 <TrueBrain> with what? 18:06:49 <Audigex> an axe 18:06:54 <TrueBrain> sounds like a good plan :) 18:07:05 <Audigex> well, i'll start on that later 18:07:05 <OwenS> Quantum Bogosort = O(1) operation, consuming N universes where N is the number of possibilities :p 18:07:06 <TrueBrain> either way, I think it is safe to say no monkey will ever type a work of shakespeare :p 18:07:19 <Audigex> for now, i'm going to make it so that the date change cheat can be input manually 18:07:27 <Audigex> truebrain - that's kinda the point 18:07:32 <Audigex> it's a philosophical question 18:07:37 <Audigex> or perhaps mathematic 18:07:40 <TrueBrain> no, it is a mathematical one 18:07:42 <TrueBrain> I just showed you why 18:07:52 <OwenS> I do like the "Make Universe"/"Destroy Universe" operations of quantum computers :p 18:07:55 <Audigex> it's one of those things we'd never find out 18:08:03 <TrueBrain> 10^9 monkeys for 10^9 years ... is not that big of a solution space :) 18:08:24 <TrueBrain> @calc 365.25 * 24 * 60 * 60 18:08:24 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 31557600 18:08:26 <Audigex> 10^9? 18:08:35 <Audigex> a million monkeys = 10^6 18:08:36 <TrueBrain> oh, milion, even less 18:08:48 <Audigex> yup 18:08:54 <TrueBrain> so 10^12 * (32 * 10^12) 18:09:16 <Audigex> although the actual thing is one monkey for infinate time 18:09:18 <Audigex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem 18:09:25 <Audigex> given infinate time 18:09:33 <Audigex> it would type out the entire volume 18:09:38 <TrueBrain> infinite time is something COMPLETELY different :) 18:09:42 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051099101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:46 <Audigex> yeah, i was just going for the smaller one 18:09:56 <Audigex> don't worry, i'm not seriously contemplating doing it 18:10:01 <TrueBrain> yeah .. and with that you present a completely different question :) 18:10:07 <Audigex> yup 18:10:09 <TrueBrain> you can't try an infinite problem with finite solution 18:10:13 <TrueBrain> finite is NOT a subset of infinite 18:10:21 <TrueBrain> (well .. not in all cases anyway :p) 18:10:35 <Audigex> it was a quick joke which somehow turned into a quarter of an hour of intense discussion 18:10:42 <TrueBrain> :p 18:10:49 <TrueBrain> you had to learn not to joke in this channel :) 18:10:57 <Audigex> :) 18:11:12 <Audigex> "no ma'am, we at the fbi do not have a sense of humour we are aware of, may we come in?" 18:11:39 <OwenS> Infinity is not a real number :p 18:12:10 <Audigex> Today, popular interest in the typing monkeys is sustained by numerous appearances in literature, television, radio, music, and the Internet. In 2003, an experiment was performed with six Celebes Crested Macaques, but their literary contribution was five pages consisting largely of the letter 'S'. 18:12:13 <Audigex> haha 18:12:15 <TrueBrain> OwenS: maybe it is complex? 18:13:31 <OwenS> TrueBrain: It's not complex; it's just unreal :p 18:15:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051099101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:48 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:23:34 <TrueBrain> Audigex: I always found such theorem really silly .. I mean .. of course in infinite time everytime happens 18:23:39 <TrueBrain> what else is the term 'infinite' good for? 18:23:55 <TrueBrain> but okay .. there is a reason I don't study math :p 18:24:18 <Audigex> people debunk it on the idea that it wouldn't happen before the universe ended 18:24:28 <Audigex> but firstly, there's no guarantee that the universe will end 18:24:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd416.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:36 <TrueBrain> that for sure is a hard fact 18:24:40 <Audigex> and secondly, it's a theory - so blocking it with other theories isn't a proof 18:24:51 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Given infinite time the infinitely improbable can happen. Or, a very long time after the end of the universe will be another big bang :p 18:24:54 <TrueBrain> but before the end of the universe .. now about that you can talk, yes 18:25:06 <Audigex> what do you decide as being the end of the universe? 18:25:08 <TrueBrain> OwenS: why a very long time? Can be instant. 18:25:16 <Audigex> the heat death? 18:25:20 <TrueBrain> Audigex: at least you left the realm of infinite 18:25:23 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Could be, but thats highly improbable 18:25:25 <pavel1269> new game, havent played with grfs and ... breakdowns off, and my train have broken! :-O 18:25:26 <TrueBrain> we most likely die of cold, but okay :) 18:25:33 <OwenS> And I'm refering to decomposition of atoms :p 18:25:42 <Audigex> aaah, but this monkey is clearly invincible 18:25:46 <TrueBrain> OwenS: we have absolutely NO idea what happens 'at the end of the universe', so talking about 'highly' impossible is silly, to say the least :p 18:26:09 <Audigex> i go with the theory that the monkey can live until the rest of the universe ends 18:26:13 <Audigex> so therefore, surely it can survive that 18:26:14 <OwenS> TrueBrain: As I said, I'm taking the end of the universe to be when everything decays into photons 18:26:22 <TrueBrain> but as the big bang took several nanoseconds, why would after a big crunch not happen a big bang in the same time-span? :p 18:26:22 <OwenS> Give it about a gogol years 18:26:23 <Audigex> this monkey isn't made of photons 18:26:39 <Audigex> because the big bang was created by a huge amount of energy 18:26:53 <Audigex> which turned into mass 18:27:08 <OwenS> Incidentally, in all this matter, where did the antimatter go? 18:27:14 <Audigex> ran away 18:27:18 <pavel1269> where the all energy was created? :-) 18:27:27 <TrueBrain> OwenS: ah, you mean the other possibility, where everything flaots and floats .. fair enough :p 18:27:33 <Audigex> assuming the monkey, since it hasnt got bored and left the typewriter nor died in the meantime, is invincible 18:27:34 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 18:27:45 <Audigex> it will eventually write the complete works 18:27:45 <TrueBrain> OwenS: antimatter and matter co-exists ... slightly more matter .. result is almost no antimatter .. logic, not? :p 18:27:47 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Yeah, the "boring everything just decays" end of the universe which will happen 18:27:58 <TrueBrain> OwenS: LOL! Which will happen .. oh please 18:27:58 <fonsinchen> Hehe, there's funny things you can do with gitweb ... 18:28:00 <TrueBrain> like you looked there :p 18:28:11 <OwenS> TrueBrain: It will according to currently accepted theories :p 18:28:13 <fonsinchen> smatz, this is the corrected patch: http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/cgi-bin/gitweb.pl?p=openttd.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad32dc4f8bf1ff0f0cce55d32f3ba783333348f8;hp=b97204739a73103cfbc70e98d85a0398bbc28963#patch1 18:28:16 <TrueBrain> OwenS: euh .. no 18:28:35 <TrueBrain> 'currently accepted theories' is VERY dangerous to use .... 18:28:36 <OwenS> TrueBrain: But all methods of producing one produce the other in equal quantities 18:28:50 <frosch123> hmm, pm from pm :p 18:29:09 <Rubidium> in the pm 18:29:17 <TrueBrain> currently our best 'guess' is that the spaace is flat (1.002 I believe?) 18:29:38 <TrueBrain> but on the other side we currently measure stuff that shouldn't be happening ... 18:29:58 <TrueBrain> galaxies at high redshift that are not as red as they should be ... shit like that :p 18:30:11 <TrueBrain> so never ever say about things on that scale: which will happen 18:30:18 <TrueBrain> like saying blackholes are proven to exist .. pff 18:30:29 <OwenS> I'm actually talking about things on a quantum theory scale :p 18:30:30 <TrueBrain> Audigex: 1 monkey? or 10^6 monkeys? 18:30:46 <TrueBrain> the scale doesn't matter when you talk about the end of the universe, now does it? 18:30:51 <Audigex> the commonly given situation is 1million monkeys 18:31:09 <TrueBrain> Audigex: the time of the universe ... invincible .. hmm ... 18:31:13 <Audigex> but the actual theory is one monkey, infinate time (truly infinate time unlimited by theories) 18:31:22 <Audigex> the fact is that it's hypothetical 18:31:30 <TrueBrain> well, infinite time is simple: it will write every work ever written 18:31:36 <Audigex> yup 18:31:43 <OwenS> In amongst an infinite quantity of garbage 18:31:57 <TrueBrain> sure, but that is completele besides the point 18:32:01 <TrueBrain> I write genetic programs 18:32:06 <TrueBrain> they produce 99% of the time garbage 18:32:14 <TrueBrain> the 1% they do produce correct results, they amaze me every time 18:33:08 <TrueBrain> but I dunno .. universe-length-time .. I don't think there is enough time to be 100% sure a work of shakespeare is written .. hmm .. interesting question .. 18:33:29 <TrueBrain> now come back in 4 million years and I will tell you about a machine I will built which will give you to question to my answer 18:33:35 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-58-147.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:34:25 *** abbmaz [sami@user.tnnet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:34:28 <pavel1269> okay, deal :-) 18:34:47 <abbmaz> excuse me, I'm having a silly problem with self-compiled ottd on win32 18:34:56 <OwenS> TrueBrain: But then we'll need a bigger machine to decipher the answer! Which 6 billion years into it's run will be paved over for a hyperspace bypass! 18:34:57 <pavel1269> whats the problem? 18:35:13 <TrueBrain> OwenS: you clearly missed a step in the joke, but sure 18:35:13 <abbmaz> it can't find any language packs although they are located in the lang/ folder after the .exe 18:35:27 <TrueBrain> abbmaz: did you also compile the language files? 18:35:33 <TrueBrain> as they need to be of the same version as your executable 18:35:40 <abbmaz> I'm not sure if I did 18:35:56 <pavel1269> you have compiled .exe and copied it? 18:35:56 <TrueBrain> Audigex: I would hypotisise that it won't write a work 18:36:13 <Audigex> prove it! 18:36:21 <Audigex> erm 18:36:41 <abbmaz> yea, the VC++ produced quite a lot of files, but only the .exe seemed relevant. I did follow the howto on wiki 18:36:51 <TrueBrain> for that we need an estimate of the lifetime of the universe .. which is the trickest part I guess :p 18:37:04 <TrueBrain> abbmaz: execute the .exe in the bin/ file of your source directory 18:37:14 <TrueBrain> there all files are stored needed to execute that executable 18:38:23 <abbmaz> oh, that seems sensible 18:38:29 <pavel1269> does it run? 18:38:43 <abbmaz> yea it does, but it whines about the language packs 18:39:23 <abbmaz> oh, now it seems to work :) when running from the bin/ folder 18:39:29 <pavel1269> TrueBrain: btw, my problem is back, my trains do broke, with breakdowns off :-P .... i am using NARS, is that a feature? :-) 18:39:52 <abbmaz> (I had never before compiled anything real software with Vc++) 18:40:28 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@f197062.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:31 <abbmaz> thank you, now it flows nicely :) 18:41:13 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@f197062.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:41:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17171 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Doc: Additions and corrections of various doxygen strings. 18:41:42 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: don't ask me :) 18:41:47 <TrueBrain> abbmaz: enjoy 18:42:25 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 18:42:25 <TrueBrain> Audigex: universe is now 15 * 10^9 years old .. (on estimate) ... if we do crazy, and state it lives 1000 times longer than it is now old 18:42:54 <Audigex> i think i've just found how to distract truebrain for an infinate time 18:43:07 <Audigex> give him a maths theory to ponder :) 18:43:50 <TrueBrain> 2 * 10^14 years .. 3 * 10^20 seconds .. 18:44:35 <TrueBrain> 2 * 10^14 years .. 6 * 10^21 seconds .. 18:44:42 <TrueBrain> (1 year = pi * 10^7 seconds) 18:44:52 <pavel1269> lol pi ?! again ?! 18:44:54 <pavel1269> delete ... 18:45:10 <TrueBrain> given 10^6 monkeys .. doesn't give that big of a solution space 18:45:15 <TrueBrain> so Audigex, it is plausible it won't happen 18:45:44 <TrueBrain> 6 * 10^27 units in solution space ... what does that give .. 18:45:49 <Audigex> aah, you're still assuming that this monkey is dependant on the existance of planets, atmospheres etc 18:45:55 <Audigex> this isn't a universal monkey 18:45:58 <Audigex> it's a theoretical monkey 18:46:06 <TrueBrain> Audigex: no, I took an extreme for the lifetime of the universe :p 18:46:14 <TrueBrain> it lives VERY long compared to what is to be expected 18:46:17 <Audigex> what is the end of the universe? 18:46:22 <TrueBrain> as I said: when we talk infinite, we are done talking 18:46:26 <Audigex> yup 18:46:27 <TrueBrain> else, we need to put an end to it :p 18:46:30 <Audigex> and i'm talking infinate 18:46:33 <Audigex> this is an infinate monkey 18:46:36 <TrueBrain> then we are done talking :) 18:46:37 <Audigex> so it will write the works 18:46:46 <TrueBrain> but you say one time infinite, the other time a very long time 18:46:48 <Audigex> ... in theory 18:46:48 <TrueBrain> so you should pick one 18:46:52 <Audigex> i said infinate 18:46:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-544586f7.lns1-c13.telh.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:56 <Audigex> i've never said a very long time 18:47:11 <Audigex> the only other thing i said was "for a million years" 18:47:15 <Audigex> which is highly improbabl 18:47:18 <Audigex> *improbable 18:47:22 <TrueBrain> [20:26] <Audigex> i go with the theory that the monkey can live until the rest of the universe ends <- == finite 18:47:27 <pavel1269> where are you guys leading to? 18:47:34 <Audigex> *past the end of the universe 18:47:37 <Audigex> pavel - ignore us 18:47:42 <TrueBrain> yeah ... now start correcting your claims, sure sure 18:47:47 <Audigex> just a comment earlier that's gotten way out of hand 18:48:00 <Rubidium> Audigex: should only pavel ignore you? 18:48:15 <TrueBrain> either way, when you leave the space of infinite, and hit the 'reality' ... it is highly unlikely 18:48:19 <Audigex> i reserve the right to amend my bullshit ex post facto 18:48:31 <Audigex> rubidium, you can't ignore it 18:48:39 <TrueBrain> hmm .. inspiring thought :) 18:48:40 <Audigex> you participated earlier, so you're honour bound to continue 18:48:41 <TrueBrain> tnx Audigex ;) 18:48:51 <Rubidium> I can't? 18:48:58 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has left #openttd [oh yes I can!] 18:48:58 <pavel1269> i can :-P 18:49:08 <Audigex> watch, he'll come back and start talking about it 18:49:17 <pavel1269> well, not so sure 18:49:18 <TrueBrain> Audigex: then you don't know Rubidium :) 18:49:20 <Audigex> he'll be like "oh, i just thought... what if there were 8 monkeys" 18:49:28 <Audigex> oh christ, I'm actually going to stop joking 18:49:35 <TrueBrain> well, with 8 monkeys 18:49:36 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 18:49:42 <Audigex> noooo 18:49:44 <Audigex> stop 18:49:46 <Audigex> for the love of god 18:49:47 <TrueBrain> that works when they lie on their side 18:49:53 <TrueBrain> lie = lay 18:50:01 <TrueBrain> (think about thatone :p) 18:50:18 <TrueBrain> You are truly Internet addicted when you rotate your head 90 degrees to smile 18:51:13 <Audigex> how about if there were infinate monkeys 18:51:18 <Audigex> surely they'd solve it infinately? 18:51:25 <Audigex> *instantely 18:51:26 <Audigex> well, both 18:51:31 <pavel1269> i think they have same chances as 1 monkey ... i say 18:51:34 <Audigex> okay, seriously - i'm stopping 18:51:41 <TrueBrain> Audigex: infinite, so instant, yes :) 18:51:43 <Audigex> pavel - you misunderstand infinate then 18:51:52 <Audigex> although of course, you can't have infinate monkeys 18:51:57 <pavel1269> infinate ... more than i can ever type? :P 18:51:59 <Audigex> because there's a finite amount of matter 18:52:02 <TrueBrain> they can stay in the infinite hotel! 18:52:15 <Audigex> i always hated that damned hotel 18:52:20 <TrueBrain> it is a beauty 18:52:38 <pavel1269> giving 1 monkey infinate time is for me same as giving infinate monkeys infinate time ... 18:52:51 <Audigex> pavel, i was originaly giving one monkey infinate time 18:52:58 <pavel1269> :D 18:52:59 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: in fact, it is the same as giving infinite monkeys 1 second 18:53:04 <Audigex> but then truebrain started whining about how the universe isn't infinate 18:53:05 <pavel1269> yeah 18:53:19 <TrueBrain> btw, to both, 'infinate' is no word 18:53:25 <pavel1269> infinite? 18:53:25 <Audigex> infinite 18:53:27 <pavel1269> :-) 18:53:28 <Audigex> yup 18:53:30 <Audigex> i always do that 18:53:37 <TrueBrain> always, but not now 18:53:39 <pavel1269> i odnt know, i jsut typed, what you typed :P 18:53:40 <TrueBrain> weird definition of always :p 18:53:53 <Audigex> the point being 18:53:58 <Audigex> that we don't have enough monkeys 18:54:08 <Audigex> in fact 18:54:08 <TrueBrain> bananas shortage? 18:54:09 <pavel1269> and we have enought time? 18:54:11 <Audigex> i dont have one monkey 18:54:16 <Audigex> so even with infinate time 18:54:20 <Audigex> we're still one monkey short 18:54:25 <Audigex> *infinite 18:54:26 <pavel1269> go zoo 18:54:36 <Audigex> i dont have a box to carry it in 18:54:38 <Audigex> so therefore 18:54:43 <Audigex> i'm calling the whole thing off 18:54:55 <pavel1269> btw, if universe is not infinite, whats its limits? or ... ? 18:55:06 <pavel1269> Audigex: okay, no more monkeys 18:55:07 <TrueBrain> time! 18:55:11 <TrueBrain> maybe space, we don't know .. 18:55:30 <Audigex> space is a lack of matter 18:55:38 <TrueBrain> no, that is void 18:55:43 <Audigex> ... 18:55:51 <Audigex> so if we include void in the universe 18:55:53 <Audigex> the universe is infinate 18:55:58 <TrueBrain> infinite!!! 18:55:59 <pavel1269> void is no border for universe, so actually, it is infinite 18:56:03 <Audigex> fuck off 18:56:05 <Audigex> :) 18:56:09 <pavel1269> :-O 18:56:10 <TrueBrain> if you supply the girl 18:56:12 <TrueBrain> no monkeys 18:56:14 <Audigex> haha 18:56:25 <Audigex> jealous 18:56:33 <Audigex> thats the other word i have trouble with 18:56:38 <Audigex> i'm normally an excellent speller 18:56:48 <Audigex> infinite, and jealous are my achilles heels 18:56:50 <TrueBrain> speller .. S P E L L E R 18:57:04 <Audigex> jeleous 18:57:08 <Audigex> jelous 18:57:09 <Audigex> etc 18:57:18 <pavel1269> why now you suck? :P 18:57:33 <TrueBrain> well, suck is just the lack of air 18:57:35 <Audigex> you haven't even taken me to the pictures yet 18:57:36 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D4F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:39 <Audigex> so no, i dont suck 18:57:41 <fjb> Hello 18:57:44 <Audigex> hihi 18:57:46 <TrueBrain> howdie fjb 18:57:46 <pavel1269> hi 18:57:52 <TrueBrain> do you have a monkey? 18:57:58 <Audigex> or know someone who does? 18:58:01 <pavel1269> we need .. one ... 18:58:12 <Audigex> well, we might need more than one 18:58:14 <Audigex> if it dies 18:58:20 <pavel1269> so infinite? 18:58:24 <Audigex> yup 18:58:26 <TrueBrain> if possible 18:58:32 <pavel1269> thats a bit much i guess 18:58:33 <Audigex> if not, one will do 18:58:35 <TrueBrain> well.. if we all arrange 1 monkey 18:58:39 <TrueBrain> and from the person we get it 18:58:45 <TrueBrain> we let him arrange 1 monkey too 18:58:49 <fjb> Something is strange here today. Somebody talks about sucking and Sacro doesn't reply. 18:58:49 <TrueBrain> in the end .. we have inifnite monkeys! 18:59:06 <pavel1269> we dont have infinite folks :-) 18:59:08 <Audigex> truebrain - i don't like pyramid schemes 18:59:14 <Audigex> pavel, nor do we have infinate monkeys 18:59:18 <Audigex> can we substitute lemurs? 18:59:20 <pavel1269> same 18:59:21 <TrueBrain> too many people got arrested over it :( 18:59:22 <pavel1269> :D 18:59:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:59:47 <TrueBrain> 2 down ... :p 19:00:03 <TrueBrain> if we promise not to talk about their family again, will they come back? 19:00:10 <fjb> Pyramid schemes? Arrest the FED. 19:00:28 * TrueBrain hugs Alberth and Rubidium .. that was not nice of me 19:00:51 <pavel1269> if we dont have infinite universe, nor we have infinite matter, how can we have infinite monkeys :-) 19:01:06 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: just .. because! 19:01:11 <TrueBrain> there are things you have to assume as true in life 19:01:23 <pavel1269> true, universe is infinite 19:01:26 <TrueBrain> no 19:01:28 <pavel1269> yes 19:01:31 <TrueBrain> there are an infnite amount of monkeys 19:01:36 <Audigex> right, regardless of what we're talking about when rubidium comes back 19:01:43 <Audigex> start talking about infinate monkeys etc 19:01:46 <Audigex> and shakespeare 19:01:48 <TrueBrain> INFINITE!! 19:01:50 <TrueBrain> :p 19:01:51 <pavel1269> :D 19:01:51 <TrueBrain> hihi :) 19:01:53 <TrueBrain> sorry :) 19:01:54 <Audigex> lots of monkeys 19:01:54 <TrueBrain> you said you never said it wrong :p 19:02:03 <Audigex> no, i said i always say it wrong 19:02:05 <pavel1269> never say never :-) 19:02:10 <TrueBrain> oh .. I misread that then :p 19:02:13 <Audigex> yup 19:02:13 <TrueBrain> then I will shut up about it :) 19:02:17 <Audigex> or maybe i mistyped 19:02:22 <Audigex> it's a word i perpetually misspell 19:02:24 <TrueBrain> maybe you are a monkey! 19:02:31 <Audigex> i'll start typing.... 19:02:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17172 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move the _message_opt variable into the MessageOptionsWindow struct. 19:02:47 <Audigex> Hamet Act 1 Scene 1 Andaajgkjjgjagkakjlgajalsafasasa 19:02:48 <pavel1269> who said, we have limited universe? 19:02:54 <Audigex> not a bad start 19:02:55 <TrueBrain> I did 19:03:01 <pavel1269> i dont trust you 19:03:02 <pavel1269> prove it 19:03:06 <TrueBrain> Audigex: do you know the scripting language Shakespeare? 19:03:09 <TrueBrain> you would love it I guess 19:03:11 <Audigex> nope 19:03:22 <pavel1269> GenWord()? 19:03:33 <TrueBrain> http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-shakespeare-664.html 19:03:33 <pavel1269> while ... echo ... no more needed? 19:03:53 <TrueBrain> it is really really really cool 19:04:15 <frosch123> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/attachment.php?aid=1674 <- why isn't it NewTrains and NewClimate? 19:04:33 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:53 <pavel1269> tb, it some kind of joke? 19:05:04 <pavel1269> you know, i sux at english, so i need a bit help ^^ 19:05:08 <Audigex> yes, it's a joke 19:05:10 <Audigex> like locode 19:05:13 <Audigex> *lolcode 19:05:13 <TrueBrain> no, it is really a language 19:05:16 <TrueBrain> you can really code in it 19:05:21 <Audigex> i knoiw 19:05:23 <Audigex> *know 19:05:25 <Audigex> but it's still a joke 19:05:26 <TrueBrain> if you execute this application, it will run '10 botles of beer on the wall' 19:05:37 <TrueBrain> as much of a joke as brainfuck and whitespace 19:05:46 <TrueBrain> frosch123: who owns that website? 19:05:47 <Audigex> yes 19:05:50 <Audigex> which are both jokes 19:05:54 <Audigex> they're very clever jokes 19:05:56 <Audigex> but still jokes 19:05:59 <pavel1269> i dont know anything you just said :-( 19:06:08 <frosch123> TrueBrain: it is not a website 19:06:15 <TrueBrain> image of a website :p 19:06:18 <frosch123> imo a website is something online 19:06:32 <TrueBrain> then what is it? :p 19:06:38 <pavel1269> :-O 19:06:49 <pavel1269> i had it cached before i went there? 19:06:50 <frosch123> maybe it is a meta-teaser 19:07:02 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-brainfuck-101.html <- brainfuck 19:07:05 <frosch123> a teaser of something showsing teasers 19:07:33 <TrueBrain> hehe 19:07:37 <TrueBrain> cryptic, I like :) 19:07:46 <TrueBrain> but so I can't answer your question, I am so sorry :( 19:08:07 <frosch123> btw. all teasers of that kind are by mb 19:08:13 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-whitespace-154.html <- whitespace (yes, very white) 19:08:23 <TrueBrain> oh .. too bad 19:08:51 <Audigex> is there any way to completely remove the news popups? 19:09:01 <TrueBrain> under the ? 19:09:04 <TrueBrain> Message options 19:09:07 <TrueBrain> HE! THIS WAS OPENTTD RELATED 19:09:24 <pavel1269> :D 19:09:32 <Audigex> :s 19:09:45 <pavel1269> he answered, why :S? 19:10:00 <TrueBrain> btw, I really meant underthe ? :p 19:10:02 <TrueBrain> the red thingy 19:10:40 <pavel1269> tb: honestly, i still didnt get it ... with that whitespaces, brainfuck ... :-/ 19:11:03 <TrueBrain> languages 19:11:04 <TrueBrain> like C 19:11:07 <TrueBrain> and Java 19:11:23 <pavel1269> okay, whats shown just on that page ... some test output? 19:12:21 <Audigex> right, in openttd - is there a way to completely remove all news messages? 19:12:37 <Audigex> assuming that i don't give two shits about production and closing industries 19:12:44 <Audigex> other than removing industries completely 19:12:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:13:01 <pavel1269> yes 19:13:05 <Yexo> good evening 19:13:10 <pavel1269> go to message settings 19:13:13 <pavel1269> hello Yexo 19:13:40 <pavel1269> at GUI ... just before the big "?" ... hold and second one 19:13:54 <_ln> what is it about OpenTTD that attracts .nl-ers so much? 19:14:08 <pavel1269> .nl ... norway? 19:14:10 <pavel1269> poland? 19:14:23 <TrueBrain> Audigex: I just told you ... 19:14:30 <TrueBrain> howdie Yexo :) 19:14:31 <Xaroth> pavel1269: dutch 19:14:46 <bb10> pavel1269: holland, netherlands 19:14:47 <Audigex> true, i dont see anywhere that says :s 19:14:51 * pavel1269 searching in dictonary for dutch 19:14:57 <Yexo> hi TrueBrain :) 19:15:07 <pavel1269> i thought, they died out, and they were just in games like civ 19:15:10 <bb10> pavel1269: weedland LOL 19:15:22 <TrueBrain> Audigex: the ? on the top right .. you see it? 19:15:26 <Audigex> yes 19:15:29 <Audigex> i dont see message options 19:15:29 <TrueBrain> click hold 19:15:31 <TrueBrain> messages ... 19:15:47 <Audigex> aha 19:15:51 <Audigex> its under the one next to the ? 19:15:59 <pavel1269> nooo 19:16:05 <pavel1269> oh yes 19:16:05 <pavel1269> :D 19:16:14 <Audigex> thanks 19:16:20 <pavel1269> i read you line, but the "next" was missed 19:16:30 <Audigex> :) 19:16:50 <TrueBrain> is it moved? Oh :p 19:16:53 <pavel1269> noo 19:16:54 <pavel1269> :-) 19:16:55 <pavel1269> my bad 19:16:58 <pavel1269> :-( 19:17:30 <Audigex> excellent, improves my performance nicely :) 19:17:35 <Audigex> i need to up my bus speed though 19:17:44 <TrueBrain> use the cheat 19:17:58 <Audigex> my system bus 19:18:10 <TrueBrain> gniffel 19:18:42 <TrueBrain> I guess that was missing two * 19:19:02 <Audigex> my pc lags in ottd even though none of my cores are near 100%, and my GPU is practically idling 19:19:05 <Audigex> plenty of ram left 19:19:16 <TrueBrain> no worries, one core it at 100% 19:19:19 <TrueBrain> it = is 19:19:21 <_ln> is there a rail vehicle that looks like a DeLorean? 19:19:27 <Audigex> it's only lagging in ottdcoop 19:19:29 <Audigex> but still 19:19:36 <Audigex> so my thought is that it must be bottlnecking somewhere 19:19:44 <Audigex> either my ram - shouldn't be the problem 19:19:50 <Audigex> or my system bus 19:19:57 <pavel1269> between monitor and case? :P 19:20:00 <Audigex> which is slow compared to my total clock speed 19:20:08 <Audigex> :s 19:20:11 <Audigex> eh? 19:20:16 <TrueBrain> Audigex: ah, yes the one left of the ?, hihi, my mistake :) (had to look it up :p) 19:20:17 <Audigex> system bus isn't a cable 19:20:21 <Audigex> :) 19:20:25 <^Spike^> Audigex the current game @ ottdcoop is laggy for most :) 19:20:27 <TrueBrain> Audigex: it is because 1 core is at 100% :p 19:20:28 <Audigex> thats why i was confused 19:20:38 <^Spike^> it has lots of trains :) 19:20:48 <Audigex> it must be server side then 19:21:16 <OwenS> Audigex: Nope 19:21:17 <Audigex> like i said, none of my system is approaching full usage 19:21:20 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 19:21:26 <TrueBrain> Audigex: 1 core is :) 19:21:29 <Audigex> so unless i'm bottlenecking badly 19:21:32 <Audigex> truebrain - no it isnt 19:21:36 <TrueBrain> no worries, that is for everyone joining coop games :p 19:21:42 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:45 <OwenS> Audigex: Lag in OpenTTDCoop means your system is not fast enough 19:21:51 <Audigex> my system flies 19:21:57 <pavel1269> where to? 19:21:58 <TrueBrain> sure, it most likely will 19:22:01 <OwenS> How much processor is the game taking vs how many cores do you have? 19:22:06 <TrueBrain> but check the % of the openttd process :p 19:22:11 <Audigex> 3.8gHz tri-core, 8800gt and 4gb pc2-8500 19:22:22 <TrueBrain> your memory, your GPU, both don't matter 19:22:27 <TrueBrain> tri-core? Cool, didn't know they created those 19:22:35 <TrueBrain> either way, doesn't matter .. 19:22:37 <Audigex> individual core loads are 21%, 3% and 49% 19:22:38 <OwenS> TrueBrain: It's a broken quad core :p 19:22:40 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD uses 1 core 19:22:45 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I guess :p 19:22:46 <pavel1269> you know, one failed, so they shut it off .. 19:22:52 <Audigex> exactly 19:23:01 <Audigex> but the point being, none of the three are anywhere near 100% 19:23:09 <Audigex> and my gpu is practically idling 19:23:21 <OwenS> RAM usage? 19:23:25 <TrueBrain> that might have to do with the simple fact that OpenTTD doesn't use the GPU .. in any way .. 19:23:30 <pavel1269> :D 19:23:48 <^Spike^> if ottd started using GPU i also want it to support DX10 ATLEAST :D 19:23:54 <TrueBrain> well, for 8bpp I Believe it uses hardware palette :p 19:24:10 <TrueBrain> yes, it really needs DX10 features!!!!!11111 19:24:10 <Audigex> ram usage is 1.5gb out of 4gb 19:24:10 <OwenS> ^Spike^: DX10? Erm, OpenGL anyone? Which does more? On more platforms? And is nicer? 19:24:18 <^Spike^> true.. :) 19:24:20 <^Spike^> but still :) 19:24:33 <TrueBrain> pixelshader!!! 19:24:35 <TrueBrain> YES! 19:24:37 <pavel1269> which is faster? :-) 19:24:38 * ^Spike^ has seen cryengine screenshots... 19:24:43 <TrueBrain> lets do that for 8bpp ... graphics ..... 19:24:44 <OwenS> TrueBrain: It would actually work for 8->32bpp conversion :p 19:24:56 <TrueBrain> OwenS: DX5 can do that :p 19:25:07 <pavel1269> win 3.11? :D 19:25:10 <OwenS> OpenGL has no pallette mode :p 19:25:12 <^Spike^> win1 19:25:19 <Audigex> it's using, as an absolute maximum, 75% of core #2 19:25:21 <TrueBrain> OwenS: the reason the latest OpenGL patch was slow :p 19:25:25 <^Spike^> or.. or.... MS-Dos 4.0! :) 19:25:31 <TrueBrain> Audigex: OpenTTD only uses one core .. 19:25:34 <pavel1269> ^Spike^: you dont actually know history, right? :-) 19:25:35 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Why didn't it use a shader to do 8->32 conversion? :p 19:25:36 <TrueBrain> the core it is launched in 19:25:39 <OwenS> One texture lookup 19:25:41 <TrueBrain> or do you have .. what was it called .. 19:25:48 <^Spike^> i started on win3.1 :D 19:25:48 <OwenS> Audigex: Connection Lost means either "Your internet connection lost" or "Your machine did not catch up" 19:25:48 <TrueBrain> OwenS: the problem was company colours :p 19:25:49 <Audigex> TRUEBRAIN I'M LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL CORE USAGE 19:25:57 <TrueBrain> Audigex: wow .... no need to scream 19:26:02 <Audigex> i said it before :) 19:26:08 <Audigex> and you ignored it :( 19:26:16 <TrueBrain> yes, like you ignore what we say :p 19:26:25 <TrueBrain> I don't care :) No need to talk in CAPITALS 19:26:28 <Audigex> i just ignore your ranting about monkeys 19:26:29 <pavel1269> ^Spike^: win1 was just for advertisment, it was not working :P 19:26:33 <OwenS> TrueBrain: OK, one texture map per company. Simples. 19:26:41 <TrueBrain> OwenS: turned out to be not that simple :) 19:26:44 <^Spike^> i had it somewhere once.. downloaded :D 19:26:44 <Audigex> but like i'm saying, my pc is lagging still 19:26:47 <^Spike^> never checked it out :D 19:26:49 <TrueBrain> but petern got more done than I did :) 19:26:50 <Audigex> even though it's not hitting 100% usage 19:26:53 <^Spike^> Audigex it's the ottdcoop game 19:26:54 <Audigex> so i think it might be the system bus 19:27:04 <TrueBrain> yes, I also always suspect my system bus ...... 19:27:05 <^Spike^> this is a pretty heavy game.. 19:27:07 <OwenS> If it were the system bus YOUR CPU WOULD BE 100% USAGE 19:27:10 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD uses so much of it ... 19:27:26 <Audigex> owens - but if the problem is that the cpu can't get the data from the memory? 19:27:30 <Audigex> i'm heavily overclocked 19:27:32 <Audigex> but specificiall 19:27:32 <OwenS> Audigex: Then it sits there waiting 19:27:35 <Audigex> *specifically 19:27:37 <TrueBrain> oh, yes, OpenTTD uses so much of the memory ... 19:27:41 <OwenS> Overclocked? This may explain a lot... 19:27:42 <TrueBrain> TONS of bits per second 19:27:42 <Audigex> i'm heavily >multiplier < overclocked 19:27:51 <TrueBrain> so your stats are wrong :p 19:27:57 <Audigex> so my core speed is artificially raised 19:28:09 <Audigex> my thought is that my processor just can't get the data from the memory fast enough 19:28:14 <Audigex> which is why it's not at 100% itself 19:28:15 <OwenS> then it would be at 100% usage 19:28:15 <TrueBrain> then your CPU will be at 100% 19:28:20 <pavel1269> :-) 19:28:24 <Audigex> surely it wouldn't though 19:28:27 <OwenS> it would 19:28:29 <TrueBrain> sure, your computer not 19:28:30 <OwenS> Becuase the instruction stalls 19:28:31 <TrueBrain> ours will 19:28:37 <Audigex> hmm 19:28:39 <pavel1269> how many times i jsut read it for last 30mins? ... :-) 19:28:43 <^Spike^> maybe the overclocking is the problem? 19:28:43 <TrueBrain> maybe you have this really special computer 19:28:51 <Audigex> spike, the overclock is pretty damn stable 19:28:55 <^Spike^> mhm... 19:28:56 <TrueBrain> one that doesn't follow the classic rules of CPU design .. 19:29:01 <OwenS> Audigex: 32-bit or 64-bit OS? 19:29:15 <Audigex> 64bit, but 32bit ottd 19:29:18 <TrueBrain> damn .. and I did so well today not being sarcastic :( 19:29:19 <pavel1269> TB: he might have found a monkey 19:29:21 <Audigex> could that be an issue? 19:29:40 <TrueBrain> no 19:29:43 <Audigex> truebrain - triple core is unusual, but doesn't make any difference to a single-threaded app 19:29:58 <OwenS> No. I was checking because lots of Phenoms overclock "well" under 32-bit OSes but are actually flaky 19:30:02 <TrueBrain> and assuming you have a default x86 CPU, your CPU will stall on bus-problems 19:30:24 <Audigex> owens - that's exactly why i went 64bit 19:30:28 <Audigex> i was aware of the issue 19:30:30 <OwenS> So, what does the PROCESS' CPU indicator say? Not the system CPU indicators - the process indicators 19:30:41 <Audigex> the process indicator is hovering at about 20% 19:30:49 <OwenS> While connected? 19:30:52 <Audigex> up to about 27 max 19:30:56 <Audigex> yes 19:31:01 <TrueBrain> OwenS: well, in theory if the server can't keep up, clients will be slowed down too 19:31:12 <pavel1269> they must .. 19:31:18 <TrueBrain> it is how I designed it :p 19:31:21 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I happen to know the OpenTTDCoop server is better than that :p 19:31:25 <pavel1269> you?! :D 19:31:32 <TrueBrain> I dunno which game is currently loaded 19:31:45 <pavel1269> you dont even know, why my trains are breaking! 19:32:06 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: I don't do newgrf 19:32:07 <OwenS> And I know exactly the problem. Gamesize: 1.2MB. Game unpauses while download in progress. 19:32:12 <TrueBrain> as soon as you say: I have a grf loaded, I stop listening :) 19:32:22 <OwenS> Client gets kicked before it catches up 19:32:22 <pavel1269> :-) 19:32:30 <TrueBrain> OwenS: by design :) 19:32:39 <OwenS> TrueBrain: By design would it please stay paused? :p 19:32:53 <OwenS> Or pause when it reaches 100% :p 19:32:56 <Audigex> just another thought - turning news off and full detail and animation don't make any difference to the amount of lag 19:32:57 <TrueBrain> well, the pause/unpause I wouldn't know 19:33:06 <TrueBrain> but the catching up part I was refering too :p 19:33:14 <Audigex> it's odd 19:33:18 <Audigex> hang on 19:33:26 <Audigex> can i save a copy of the coop game? 19:33:28 <Audigex> and run it locally? 19:33:29 <TrueBrain> in very very rare cases, your network can be to slow to receive the stream of packets :p 19:34:03 <OwenS> Audigex: Yes. Connect and save game :p 19:34:09 <Audigex> right 19:34:12 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I believe the game pauses as soon as the map is done, and the client is ready to load it, not? 19:34:15 <Audigex> 0 lag 19:34:15 <TrueBrain> (I can never remember :p) 19:34:21 <TrueBrain> 0 lag is impossible 19:34:23 <TrueBrain> it is always 1 or more 19:34:23 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Nope. It leaves it unpaused 19:34:29 <TrueBrain> OwenS: is the pause option on? :p 19:34:38 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 19:34:38 <OwenS> TrueBrain: The pause option is broken :p 19:34:39 <pavel1269> what if he does play on same machine? :P 19:34:41 <Audigex> you know what i mean 19:34:43 <petern> who what? 19:34:51 <Audigex> i'm playing normally on the local copy 19:34:54 <pavel1269> peter! :D 19:34:55 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: fair enough :) 19:34:59 <TrueBrain> MP is always 1+ :p 19:35:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:14 <OwenS> Audigex: If it's playing normally locally... Whats your latency to the server like? 19:35:16 <Audigex> and processor usage is all but identical 19:35:19 <Audigex> ip? 19:35:27 <OwenS> ps.openttdcoop.org 19:35:46 <pavel1269> question for newcomers ... :-) ... NARS, no breakdowns, why my trains are breaking down? feature of NARS? :-) 19:35:56 <Audigex> around 40ms 19:35:58 <TrueBrain> OwenS: latency will only get you kicked after a while .. it needs to be a burst problem to have any visual effect :p 19:36:01 <Audigex> couple are spiking up to 50ms 19:36:16 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Yes. But in general I find latency tends to cause packets to bunch together :p 19:36:25 <Audigex> re-running it brings one of 90ms 19:36:28 <OwenS> If it's congestion latency 19:36:35 <Audigex> i can't imagine 40ms is particularly high? 19:36:44 <OwenS> I've played almost fine with 500ms... 19:36:49 <Audigex> a few heading towards mid 50s 19:36:52 <OwenS> (I'll admit 500ms makes everything else no fun!) 19:36:56 <TrueBrain> have been helping with ISP 'redirecting' torrent traffic lately .. bitchy filters :( 19:37:01 <pavel1269> 40 is in middle for FPS games :-) 19:37:11 <petern> 1ms latency is verging on too much 19:37:12 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Define redirecting? 19:37:14 <petern> er, 10ms 19:37:22 <petern> but i guess you're not talking about audio latency 19:37:27 <pavel1269> :D 19:37:35 <TrueBrain> OwenS: sending via routers with less bandwidth, I guess? :P 19:37:41 <OwenS> lol 19:37:56 <OwenS> So how well do said filters work? :p 19:37:56 <TrueBrain> petern: I always hate my audio system have 24+ms latency :( 19:38:01 * Yexo is wondering why Dustion thinks he knows the openttd coding better then the openttd devs 19:38:04 <Audigex> pavel - 40ms is in the middle for fps games, but it also matters more on fps 19:38:09 <petern> TrueBrain, then set it up properly :) 19:38:10 <TrueBrain> Yexo: because he is a big fat ass 19:38:13 <Audigex> yexo, where? 19:38:22 <TrueBrain> petern: buy a decent card might help .. 19:38:23 <Yexo> Audigex: wiki 19:38:26 <TrueBrain> what was the word .... 19:38:33 <Audigex> article? 19:38:36 <pavel1269> Audigex: if you have 90ms, you are l4g3r, and will get ban, no matter your fps :-) 19:38:37 <petern> TrueBrain, not really, even an sb live can do sub 10ms 19:38:39 <Yexo> just scan over recent changes 19:38:40 <TrueBrain> grr, always forget that word for cards that have low latency :( 19:38:46 <petern> (as can intel-hda) 19:38:51 <TrueBrain> petern: didn't a sb live have that thingy .. hmm .. 19:38:56 <Audigex> pavel - it's always great at uni - 3ms is common 19:38:56 <Yexo> TrueBrain: that's a bit harsh 19:38:57 <petern> 48kHz only, yes 19:39:02 <pavel1269> uni? 19:39:04 <Audigex> woop for 100mbs 19:39:06 <Yexo> but he could've checked before assuming all examples were wrong 19:39:07 <Audigex> when i'm at uni 19:39:17 <pavel1269> whats uni? :D 19:39:19 <Audigex> i'm on a 100mb lan, connected to the JANET uk education network 19:39:21 <Audigex> university 19:39:24 <pavel1269> ahh 19:39:30 <petern> TrueBrain, you're probably thinking asio, which is a driver framework, not hardware 19:39:30 <Audigex> not here, though 19:39:31 <TrueBrain> Yexo: what I read from him on the forums .. sorry .. 19:39:36 <pavel1269> i thought, you are not male nor female, you are uni ?:-) 19:39:40 <TrueBrain> petern: no .. hmm ... now I want to look it up .. 19:40:04 <petern> wikipedia to the rescue? 19:40:38 <TrueBrain> btw, playing guitar with 24+ ms latency is no fun 19:40:41 <TrueBrain> you keep missing the beat :p 19:40:44 <Yexo> TrueBrain: I haven't noticed him that much, so could be 19:41:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:07 <petern> i can get down to 1ms latency, but cpu usage skyrockets then 19:41:08 <Xaroth> -21:40:37- [TrueBrain]: btw, playing guitar with 24+ ms latency is no fun << it probably is if i were playing, seeing i can't play my guitar for shit :P 19:41:18 <TrueBrain> auch 19:41:28 <TrueBrain> 1ms ... 1000Hz right? 19:41:32 <petern> all those interupts :D 19:41:33 <TrueBrain> needs kernel modification I guess :p 19:41:36 <petern> nope 19:41:40 <petern> well, maybe 19:41:47 <petern> i have the rt preempt patches 19:42:04 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 19:42:05 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 19:42:05 <Audigex> guitar or guitar hero? 19:42:15 <Audigex> surely a guitar only lags if your fingers are slow 19:42:21 <Xaroth> I can play guitar hero ... 19:42:25 <Audigex> in which case you probably have bigger problems 19:42:26 <Xaroth> but not guitar :P 19:42:26 <petern> actually i got down to 16 samples per period 19:42:30 <petern> which is... 19:42:48 <petern> 0.6ms latency 19:42:58 <petern> pretty pointless 19:42:59 <TrueBrain> petern: maybe it was asio .. I don't know ... 19:43:05 <TrueBrain> it was something a audio card supports or not 19:43:11 <TrueBrain> sb live is known to support it .. 19:43:14 <TrueBrain> mine isn't :p 19:43:23 <petern> as the soundcard has a certain amount of latency you don't see for DA and AD operations 19:43:25 <TrueBrain> means I can't get below the 24ms :( 19:43:29 <petern> asio4all works, usually 19:43:34 <petern> but then, that's on windows. who uses windows? 19:43:45 * pavel1269 waves 19:44:11 <pavel1269> i feel too young to use something what actually does work 19:44:55 <petern> my m-audio has 'proper' asio drivers 19:45:02 <petern> so it's at 128 samples currently 19:45:17 <petern> ah, 6ms latency 19:45:31 <TrueBrain> lucky you :) 19:45:35 <petern> yeah :D 19:47:14 <TrueBrain> Yexo: I am happy you check those pages 19:47:49 <TrueBrain> petern: hmm ... now I come to think of it, it was my 'server' pc which horrible latency .. no idea what this 'working pc' gives ... 19:48:02 <TrueBrain> but as I don't have a mic input .. not really relevant either :p 19:48:03 <Yexo> I check the wiki recent changes from time to time, but I have to give Rubidium credit this time for pointing out an obvious mistake 19:48:14 <TrueBrain> obvious, yes 19:48:39 <Yexo> "class class MyTestAI" <- that was example code 19:48:42 <TrueBrain> well, I guess he did his best :) 19:49:15 <Yexo> yes, but that doens't always help :p 19:49:40 <TrueBrain> 20 AIs .. 19:49:42 <TrueBrain> where is Morloth? :p 19:49:55 <Yexo> haven't seen him in a while 19:49:58 <Yexo> but why now? 19:50:02 <Yexo> you have some bet about 20 AIs? 19:50:05 <TrueBrain> when we hit the 20 AIs (or was it 25?) we were going to celebrate :p 19:50:14 <TrueBrain> we only expected it 6 months ago :p 19:50:14 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEbd7c.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:27 <TrueBrain> now he is a bit ... too far away :p 19:50:38 <Yexo> hehe, yes :) 19:51:44 <pavel1269> thats pitty i stopped working on my AI :-/ 19:51:50 <TrueBrain> yes 19:51:58 <pavel1269> you will be even closer to your goal :D 19:52:31 <pavel1269> but i didnt have time for it ... 19:52:36 <TrueBrain> EXCUSES! 19:52:55 <TrueBrain> I don't have the time to hang around here either! 19:53:13 <Yexo> TrueBrain: depending on which AIs you count, we may have already hit the 20 19:53:32 <TrueBrain> I counted to ones who claimed a shortname 19:53:37 <pavel1269> i still dont have time to anything ^^, but at least i dont go to school anymore for now :-) 19:53:50 <TrueBrain> and yet here you talk for over an hour 19:53:54 <TrueBrain> even Audigex left 19:54:04 <Audigex> i did what? 19:54:05 <TrueBrain> so EXCUSES! :p 19:54:05 <pavel1269> ye :-/ 19:54:09 <Yexo> you did notice I haven't updated it for over a month? 19:54:13 <TrueBrain> oh .. rephase: I hoped he left :p 19:54:15 * TrueBrain hugs Audigex 19:54:21 <Audigex> :( 19:54:26 <TrueBrain> Yexo: no :p Even better ;) 19:54:30 <pavel1269> well, i dont have time and i am here, so if i wasnt here, it might really be a problem? :P 19:54:42 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: maybe then you would have infinite monkeys? 19:54:48 <Tefad> INFINITE MONKEYS 19:54:52 <pavel1269> :D 19:54:59 <TrueBrain> somehow that triggered Tefad 19:55:00 <TrueBrain> scary .. 19:55:22 <Tefad> SCARY INDEED. 19:55:25 <pavel1269> tomorow, i am going to pool, anyone with me? :-) 19:55:28 <TrueBrain> we all have our trigger words .. but INFINITE MONKEYS being one of them? 19:55:31 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: sure 19:55:33 <Tefad> anyway. i'm dropping by for a few seconds and saw infinite monkeys on my screen that is all 19:55:34 <TrueBrain> you pay my flight? 19:55:42 <TrueBrain> well, welcome Tefad :) 19:55:44 <Audigex> tefad, you must have a huge screen 19:55:52 <Tefad> yes this screen has about 8 windows 19:55:52 <TrueBrain> Audigex: yes, 1 line fits on it 19:55:54 <TrueBrain> really big! 19:56:03 <Tefad> then my physical screen has about seven terminals 19:56:04 <pavel1269> TB: do you accept our "cash"? 19:56:08 <Tefad> and consists of two CRTs 19:56:08 <Audigex> Tefad> anyway. i'm dropping by for a few seconds and saw infinite monkeys on my screen that is all 19:56:24 <Tefad> Audigex: do i really need to put quotes on it 19:56:36 <Audigex> my screen probably can't display more then 3 monkeys 19:56:46 <Audigex> and you should see some of the pedantry i had to deal with earlier :( 19:56:49 <pavel1269> what size of monkey? 19:56:55 <Audigex> between true and rubi 19:56:56 <TrueBrain> Audigex: at least it does solve our problem :p 19:57:00 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: what currency? 19:57:02 <Tefad> i am quite the pedant when it comes to grammar and context 19:57:12 <Tefad> however 'infinite monkeys' was already established in context 19:57:17 <Tefad> i felt no need to add silly quotes 19:57:20 <pavel1269> TB: you know czech koruna or whatever it is called :P 19:57:24 <Audigex> well, tough 19:57:37 <Tefad> LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK MY BOOTY 19:57:40 <pavel1269> where do you live at btw? 19:57:46 <Tefad> papa smurf can i lick your ass? 19:57:49 <Tefad> YEAH LICK MY ASS BITCH. 19:57:50 <TrueBrain> oeh, then I can visit SmatZ too? 19:57:54 <Tefad> uh moving on now 19:58:03 <TrueBrain> Tefad: yes, moving on please 19:58:08 <pavel1269> well, i think, he is on the other side of this country :D 19:58:10 <TrueBrain> that is one too far 19:58:20 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: well .. how big can your country be? :p 19:58:40 <pavel1269> my country :-) ... i say 350kms ? :-) 19:59:02 <pavel1269> 490! ha 19:59:19 <TrueBrain> oh ... doable :) 19:59:30 * Audigex wants to know where his sister is with the pizza 19:59:32 <Yexo> TrueBrain: 23 shortnames on the list now :) 19:59:33 <TrueBrain> so, you pay my ticket in cash 19:59:37 <TrueBrain> Yexo: 2 more :p 19:59:41 <TrueBrain> Audigex: euhm .. 19:59:43 <TrueBrain> excuse me 19:59:44 <TrueBrain> ? 19:59:56 <Audigex> she's gone for pizza 20:00:01 <TrueBrain> I don't hope the answer is: in the closet 20:00:04 <TrueBrain> as that would scare me 20:00:08 <Audigex> but it's dark outside 20:00:11 <Audigex> and i'm worried 20:00:15 <Audigex> that someone's robbed her 20:00:18 <Audigex> and taken my pizza 20:00:20 <TrueBrain> then why didn't you go?! 20:00:24 <pavel1269> TrueBrain: errr, .... cya tomorow :D ... 20:00:25 <Audigex> because she has a car 20:00:28 <Audigex> and i dont 20:00:44 <Audigex> well, it was my car 20:00:46 <Audigex> but now it's hers 20:00:51 <pavel1269> :D 20:00:53 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: which airport? :p 20:01:21 <pavel1269> if like 5bucks will be anought, ^^ 20:01:25 <pavel1269> *enought 20:01:43 <TrueBrain> 176 euros 20:01:48 <pavel1269> .D 20:01:50 <pavel1269> i am not robber 20:01:58 <TrueBrain> I think you soon have to be 20:02:01 *** GhostBerg0445270 [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:04 <pavel1269> :-)) 20:02:06 <TrueBrain> oh, and I stay the week 20:02:25 <TrueBrain> strangly enough, the same ticket can also cost 1130 euro 20:02:29 <TrueBrain> but then I fly via Madrid 20:02:32 <TrueBrain> (really... WHY?!) 20:02:32 <pavel1269> :-O 20:02:44 <TrueBrain> from Amsterdam to Madrid .. 20:02:45 <TrueBrain> wtf? 20:02:49 <TrueBrain> WRONG WAY! 20:03:07 <pavel1269> Amsterdam ... go via car :P 20:03:18 <pavel1269> pick up SmatZ by the way :P 20:03:24 <TrueBrain> 8 hour drive 20:03:25 <TrueBrain> doable 20:03:28 <pavel1269> :D 20:03:31 <TrueBrain> 900 km ... 20:03:35 <pavel1269> autopilot ^^ 20:03:39 <TrueBrain> so ... 80 liters 20:03:42 <TrueBrain> yeah, cheaper :p 20:04:03 <TrueBrain> well, then I still need to drive to SmatZ and you .. having no idea where you both live :p 20:04:11 <pavel1269> :D 20:04:12 <andythenorth> I am trying to apply v3 of the RV physics patch...get the following problem: http://paste.openttd.org/198776 20:04:12 <TrueBrain> oeh, but I can pick up Rubidium on the way 20:04:36 <andythenorth> I have searched for help, turned up similar problems, but no tips for solution 20:04:36 <pavel1269> well, i dont want to tell you now, i will meet you tomorow, and you will want 1136 euros 20:04:40 <TrueBrain> even planetmaker .. 20:04:58 <Yexo> andythenorth: are you applying to clean trunk? 20:05:04 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: the obvious .. it suggests the patch is already applied .. 20:05:09 <Yexo> did you svn up to the correct revision? 20:05:17 <petern> not 1138 euros D: 20:05:18 <andythenorth> previously applied v2 of the same patch 20:05:19 <pavel1269> well, are some Ottd meeting at this continent ... not USA/England ... like i can go there via bus? :P 20:05:28 <TrueBrain> petern: haha :) Would have been a good one .. 20:05:43 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: well .. this is not as far-fetched as you might think 20:05:47 <Yexo> andythenorth: then remove v2 first (svn revert -R .) 20:05:48 <TrueBrain> I can rent a car .. make the drive .. 20:05:51 <andythenorth> I did svn up -r 17167 before trying the v3 of the patch 20:05:55 <andythenorth> Yexo: ok thanks 20:06:00 <TrueBrain> costs me a total of 200 euro .. maybe a bit more 20:06:22 <TrueBrain> ticket is cheaper :p 20:06:24 <TrueBrain> (for 1 person) 20:06:29 <TrueBrain> I have to drive both ways 20:06:31 <TrueBrain> hehe 20:06:45 <andythenorth> those bloody . characters in svn :\ 20:06:57 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:06:59 <andythenorth> looks like it is going to compile, thanks 20:07:36 <TrueBrain> oh well .. time for a movie :) 20:07:37 <TrueBrain> good night all 20:07:42 <Yexo> night TrueBrain 20:07:42 <TrueBrain> night Audigex 20:07:45 <TrueBrain> night Yexo 20:07:48 <TrueBrain> night pavel1269 20:07:49 <TrueBrain> night petern 20:07:51 <TrueBrain> night rest :p 20:07:55 <pavel1269> nn TrueBrain 20:07:56 <Xaroth> nn TB 20:08:46 <xmakina> night tb 20:09:09 <petern> night tart 20:09:52 <pavel1269> so, tomorrow at pool .... "+49? 12' 3.61", +16? 35' 10.98" " ... who will come? :D 20:10:32 <TrueBrain> MEXICO!? 20:10:44 <TrueBrain> retarded google maps 20:11:03 <pavel1269> i have this coords from google maps :D 20:11:12 <TrueBrain> fill it in with the quotes 20:11:23 <TrueBrain> oh .. in that case I do not pass next to planetmaker :p 20:11:32 <TrueBrain> and it is a 10 hour drive 20:11:34 <TrueBrain> sorry pavel1269 20:11:41 <TrueBrain> oh, movie 20:11:42 <TrueBrain> bye!! :) 20:11:45 <pavel1269> " 49.201002,16.586382 " 20:11:46 <pavel1269> :-) 20:11:48 <pavel1269> try this 20:12:18 <pavel1269> i copyed what i wrote and it gave me right place 20:12:35 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEF61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:19 <pavel1269> rofl ... 20:13:21 <pavel1269> jst tryed 20:13:22 <pavel1269> :D 20:13:53 <pavel1269> you know "Placement on map is approximate" 20:14:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-114-233.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "Krav? hora 602 00 Brno, Tschechische Republik" <- am i right there? 20:15:50 <pavel1269> ye 20:15:58 <pavel1269> not sure about "Tschechische" 20:16:12 <pavel1269> you see pool right? :P 20:16:18 <abbmaz> in english Czech 20:16:21 <_ln> why did i read "Tschetschenische"... 20:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 20:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: that's somewhat further off :p 20:16:51 <abbmaz> in czech, Cesky I think with \/ over the C 20:16:59 <pavel1269> right! :-) 20:17:04 <pavel1269> ? 20:17:05 <pavel1269> :-) 20:17:10 <_ln> ? 20:17:13 <pavel1269> ? 20:17:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 20:17:51 <abbmaz> not present in my character set ;) 20:18:01 <_ln> interestingly, Tschetschenien in russian requires only five letters. 20:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you have a baseball field? 20:18:38 <pavel1269> baseball at pool? :P 20:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, next to it... 20:18:52 <pavel1269> not really 20:19:00 <Eddi|zuHause> looks like that on the map 20:19:31 <pavel1269> actually it must be, but not a public 20:22:18 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... from Halle nach Br?nn: Start 6:12, Arrival 14:14 20:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> 84,20EUR 20:23:07 <pavel1269> nice price for seeing a fring, isnt it? :D 20:23:15 <pavel1269> *friends 20:23:18 <pavel1269> **friend 20:24:23 <pavel1269> but tomorow is not so nice, i will jsu swim maybye there ... but at sunday ... :-) 20:25:37 <pavel1269> Brunn-Maria Enzersdorf 6:11 6:12 Vlak S 24258 roz???en? p?eprava spoluzavazadel, p?edev??m j?zdn?ch kol 20:25:37 <pavel1269> Wien S?dbahnhof Bstg. 21-22 6:33 6:34 P?esun P?esun asi 8 min 20:25:37 <pavel1269> Wien S?dbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 6:58 Vlak 76 Gustav Klimt restaura?n? v?z 20:25:37 <pavel1269> Brno hl.n. 8:39 8:41 20:25:42 <pavel1269> :-P 20:26:06 <pavel1269> train ... 2hours, 27mins, nice 20:26:21 <pavel1269> but does not show a price :-/ 20:26:45 <Eddi|zuHause> where are YOU going right now? 20:26:57 <pavel1269> bed 20:27:10 <pavel1269> or what do you mean? 20:27:12 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 20:27:17 <pavel1269> i live at Brno :-) 20:27:29 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i mean you show something about going to Wien 20:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> which is, like, the opposite direction ;) 20:27:58 <pavel1269> the direction is .. Brunn -> wien -> Brno 20:28:01 <pavel1269> :-) 20:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i said Br?nn, not Brunn 20:28:35 <pavel1269> i cant type .. that u 20:28:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Br?nn == german name for Brno 20:28:42 <pavel1269> :D 20:28:46 <pavel1269> lol! 20:29:11 <pavel1269> so, you start at "Halle"? 20:29:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, Halle (Saale), to be more exact 20:29:29 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEF61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:12 *** xmakina1987 [~xmakina@87.114.39.185.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:15 <pavel1269> it knows only "saales" 20:30:30 <Eddi|zuHause> what "it"? 20:30:40 <pavel1269> my "route planner" :D 20:30:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "Halle (Saale)" is the exact name of the city 20:30:52 <pavel1269> lol! 20:30:58 <pavel1269> saales is 1200kms away 20:31:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't sound like the right place :p 20:31:22 <pavel1269> and its some little village, travelling from there 17-24hours 20:31:44 <abbmaz> use bahn.de's route planner for timetables :) 20:31:57 <abbmaz> it recognizes many different names for places 20:32:35 <pavel1269> oh, Halle is 600km away :/ 20:32:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that sounds more like it ;) 20:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause> there are more than one "Halle"s in germany, though 20:33:26 <Eddi|zuHause> be sure to use the right one 20:33:46 <pavel1269> "it" does know only one :-) 20:34:18 <pavel1269> you know, its mostly for .... "in-city" routes, and from-to cities in czech, not outside :-) 20:34:42 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.114.39.185.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:27 <pavel1269> found photos from there (you must have a fb account :-( ) ... http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=4123&id=1695097084 20:46:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd416.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:15 <Pygma> I'm looking at topless photos of you? 20:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i won't get a facebook account... 20:51:43 <pavel1269> haha, i am on like 2-4 photos :-) 20:51:53 <pavel1269> from that 4pages 20:53:50 <pavel1269> we should also arrange a meeting somewhere here at europe ... like germany/austria ... :-) 20:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> car seems to be twice as fast 20:54:43 <Eddi|zuHause> http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Halle&daddr=Br?nn&hl=de&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=49.315933,16.472905&sspn=0.007232,0.011544&ie=UTF8&ll=50.247205,14.282227&spn=3.808132,5.910645&t=h&z=7 20:56:01 <pavel1269> Eddi|zuHause: ... so, you are comming ^^ :-D ... 20:56:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have a car :p 20:56:22 <pavel1269> 5hours drive -> 6hours at pool, 5 hours back, amazing :D 20:57:07 <Pygma> That sounds horrible? 20:57:45 <pavel1269> horrible is easy word for that 20:57:55 <Eddi|zuHause> add to that: 30 minutes to get to halle in the first place, at least two 20 minutes breaks 20:58:10 <Eddi|zuHause> 1h missing the right target in Br?nn 20:58:26 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.253.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:56 *** Audigex [~audigex@84.13.84.41] has joined #openttd 20:59:04 <pavel1269> :D 20:59:15 <pavel1269> you have GPS, you cant miss 20:59:24 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 21:02:20 <pavel1269> gn folks 21:07:34 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:12:01 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:18 *** xmakina1987 is now known as xmakina 21:20:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17173 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Codechange: Vertically align WWT_TEXT widget, generalize vertical alignment of label and text buttons. 21:22:16 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c09d:5df2:d9c5:8e3a] has joined #openttd 21:22:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c09d:5df2:d9c5:8e3a] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:16 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.42.117] has joined #openttd 21:22:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 21:22:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17174 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Switch to vertical alignment in the message options window. 21:24:36 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:42 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 21:24:44 *** glx_ is now known as glx 21:27:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17175 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Only auto-raise push buttons. 21:33:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17176 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move widget state updating out of OnPaint method of message options window. 21:37:01 <Audigex> hihi 21:37:07 <Coco-Banana-Man> erm.. 21:37:12 <Coco-Banana-Man> quick question.. 21:37:46 <Coco-Banana-Man> Is there any binary with IS3 + CargoDist + Daylength patches (or at least two of them)? 21:38:05 <Audigex> i've not seen one with all 3, i think there was one with is3+cd 21:38:10 <Audigex> cant remember where 21:38:32 <Coco-Banana-Man> ok, thank you :) 21:38:59 <Audigex> and do you mean is2 beta 3? 21:39:56 <Coco-Banana-Man> yes.. 21:41:33 <Audigex> okay, i tried searching for a v3 :) 21:41:39 <Audigex> got confused when i couldnt find it 21:45:37 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:31 <Yexo> good night 21:59:45 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:01:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17177 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Message options window uses nested widget tree. 22:06:31 *** Elton08702 [~Delphi@189.82.173.67] has joined #openttd 22:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this game is over way too quickly... 22:07:05 <Terkhen> good night! 22:07:25 *** Terkhen [~kvirc@ti0034a380-1631.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 22:07:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17178 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange (r17177): Remove now unused define. 22:09:11 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db08d2c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 22:17:08 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Pohodlné vykecávání. Odkudkoliv.] 22:25:01 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA147.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:26:20 <Fast2> Ahh :) A channel with more than one or three other people. 22:28:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17179 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Merge: changelog etc. changes from 0.7 branch 22:28:46 *** Elton08702 [~Delphi@189.82.173.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:31 <Fast2> I've got a question for the people who know where to find the vehicle loading and unloading routines in the code: Where is it? I searched http://svn.openttd.org/branches/0.7/src/ for them, but I didn't find. I only found "BeginLoading" and "HandleLoading" in Vehicle.cpp, but that's not what I'm searching for. 22:33:17 <planetmaker> so what is it you're searching for? 22:34:36 *** ^Spike^ is now known as ^spike^ 22:36:15 <Fast2> My goal is changing the behavour of "Transfer" so the vehicle dosn't take the goods away it just brought (just like "Unload all" does). 22:36:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:19 <Fast2> Be patient ;) 22:38:22 <planetmaker> Unload all will not stop you loading afterwards :-) 22:40:39 <planetmaker> it might maybe interesting to look into cargopacket* 22:40:41 <planetmaker> or station* 22:41:11 <planetmaker> though, did you look in order* 22:41:13 <planetmaker> ? 22:41:14 <Fast2> Yes, but the vehicle doesn't load goods which are coming from the station the vehicle is going to visit next 22:41:51 <Fast2> Hmpf, I'm too slow 22:42:32 <Fast2> What's the meaning of the star? 22:42:37 <Fast2> *+s 22:43:29 <planetmaker> replace * by anything :-) 22:43:50 <planetmaker> there are several files which start with the string preceeded by the star 22:44:58 <planetmaker> (same meaning as when using dir / ls in the command prompt) 22:45:04 <Fast2> I see 22:45:52 <Fast2> I thought there is something wrong with my client ;) 22:46:26 <planetmaker> nope :-) 22:55:32 *** ^spike^ [~spike@f197062.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 23:08:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:56 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.114.39.185.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 23:16:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-114-233.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:23 *** Audigex [~audigex@84.13.84.41] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 23:24:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:24:53 *** noroot [~evert@static.133.75.46.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openttd 23:24:58 <noroot> hi all 23:25:15 <noroot> I'm having trouble to run the latest nightly, on amd64 23:25:24 <noroot> ./openttd: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.38: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 23:26:42 <Sacro> oh dear 23:26:47 <Sacro> did you install libicui? 23:27:17 <noroot> there is no such package in my distro 23:27:30 <noroot> searching for 'libicui' or 'icui' isn't giving any results 23:29:01 <noroot> and i did a 'my_package_manager --onlydeps openttd' 23:29:21 <Sacro> what distro? 23:29:25 <noroot> gentoo 23:29:43 <Sacro> hmm 23:29:46 <Sacro> why not build from source? 23:30:01 <noroot> let's try 23:30:23 <Fast2> planetmaker: Nothing fount till now... 23:30:31 <Fast2> *t|d 23:31:29 <planetmaker> Fast2: then grep the source for "transfer" or alike 23:31:36 <planetmaker> it should give you the files... 23:31:57 <planetmaker> I don't know either.... was just a guess 23:32:02 <planetmaker> and now I'm off to bed :-) 23:32:25 <planetmaker> good night 23:32:32 <Fast2> Good night 23:32:49 <Fast2> By the way: I'm a Windows user ;) 23:32:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:39 <Fast2> But thanks for the tips anyway. Maybe somebody else knows 23:35:16 <Fast2> But for today it's enough for me, too. 23:36:36 <Fast2> Good night 23:36:54 <noroot> Sacro: hmm, when building from source i'm missing where to put the opengfx*.tar 23:37:44 <noroot> it's in both ~/.openttd, the openttd dir with the makefiles and the bin dir 23:41:09 <glx> try ~./openttd/data 23:41:56 <noroot> ok, thanks 23:42:12 <noroot> strange, the self-compiled openttd is starting up wihtout the dependency error :/ 23:42:42 <glx> probably because it's compiled without icu support :) 23:43:28 <noroot> time for my bed now, if i start a new game this late i won't have sufficient sleep :p 23:44:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA147.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:03 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:54:16 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:58:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17180 /extra/website/bananas/templates/bananas/tosInner.html: [website] -Fix [FS#2953]: wrong filenames in TOS for AI libraries 23:58:15 *** noroot [~evert@static.133.75.46.78.clients.your-server.de] has left #openttd [] 23:58:56 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit []