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00:04:41 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-141-253-254.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:05:16 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.23.234] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3] 00:14:51 *** warpil [WarP@82.80.135.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:53 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:07 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:48:41 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 00:54:06 <JFBelugas> you call it NOISE??? 00:54:20 <petern> speakers off! 00:54:23 <petern> my pc fan 00:54:36 <JFBelugas> ho... not me :D 00:54:37 <JFBelugas> lol 00:55:17 <JFBelugas> night again 00:55:20 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-104.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: Wife calls...] 00:59:27 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:30 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:03:45 <petern> oh wow 01:03:51 <Belugas> bloody time line 01:03:53 <Belugas> ?? 01:03:59 <Belugas> what are you STILL doing up?? 01:04:03 <petern> i can listen to you on my phone 01:04:10 <Belugas> he? 01:04:12 <petern> cept you stopped 01:04:15 <Belugas> i'm... gone 01:04:27 <Belugas> ho... ah... ok... 01:04:27 <petern> there's a live stream' heh 01:04:42 <Belugas> you caugh it all? 01:05:05 <petern> no, just tried it, alas its silent 01:05:22 <Belugas> well... give me a sec, i'll go down 01:05:36 <Belugas> if.. you can stay awaken ;) 01:05:40 <Belugas> -b 01:06:36 <glx> wrong correction ;) 01:07:45 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08:26 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-104.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 01:08:39 <petern> it eorks ;) 01:08:50 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:06 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:35 <JFBelugas> it does? ;d better play good then ;) 01:12:10 <petern> hehe 01:15:22 <glx> stop typing on the notebook :) 01:15:50 <glx> it's keyboard doesn't like you 01:18:17 <JFBelugas> hehe 01:18:21 <JFBelugas> you noticed? 01:18:23 <JFBelugas> ;) 01:18:27 <petern> nice playing 01:18:35 <JFBelugas> ho... thanks... 01:18:49 <JFBelugas> i tried to make youn sleep, i faild ;) 01:18:52 <glx> ho s/it's/its/ btw 01:33:54 <JFBelugas> mmh 01:34:04 <JFBelugas> time for me too... hit the bed 01:34:08 <JFBelugas> ciao 01:34:12 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-104.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: Wife calls...] 01:38:51 *** Biolunar__ [mahdi@77.177.144.68] has joined #openttd 01:40:23 *** 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12:34:26 <tdev> hi 12:34:30 <planetmaker> ho 12:35:46 <Rubidium> hu? 12:35:52 <Belugas> haaaaa 12:36:13 <planetmaker> he 12:36:15 <planetmaker> :-P 12:36:22 <planetmaker> h?, h?, h?? 12:36:25 <Belugas> hehe 12:38:25 <planetmaker> Belugas, I recently checked your music folder. I found a nice addition :-) 12:38:44 <planetmaker> 13th August or so. Nice one 12:38:53 <Belugas> the thin lazzy one? 12:39:27 <Belugas> we did had a jam session yesterday. was good fun. still need to extract what can be extracted 12:39:29 <planetmaker> yeah, I think so. Chill-out music. But I was tired and it fit my mood when I listened 12:39:59 <Belugas> on peter's behalf and mine, we thank you 12:42:08 <Belugas> mmh... my boss thinks about sending me to work on site, in the US, for a week 12:42:17 <Belugas> in Cleveland 12:43:44 <planetmaker> he... is that good or bad? 12:45:27 <Belugas> well... let see... 12:45:30 <Belugas> been separated from wife and kid for a whole week... 12:45:52 <Belugas> been separated from my guitars for a whole week... 12:46:08 <Belugas> having to work on a computer for a whole week, even in hotle room... 12:46:22 <planetmaker> :-P 12:46:30 <Belugas> having to eat food (that's food???) that you have no idea who and how it was cooked... 12:46:42 <Belugas> sleep on a stranger's bed 12:46:53 <Belugas> ho.. there is suppsoed to be a pool in the hotel! 12:47:25 <Belugas> i guess he wold not really appreciate me carying my guit and recorder over there... 12:47:33 <planetmaker> why not? 12:48:28 <Rubidium> Belugas: isn't there like a NIN museum in Cleveland? 12:49:20 <Belugas> huu??? 12:49:24 <Belugas> there is????? 12:49:28 <Belugas> hoooooo.... 12:49:38 <Rubidium> I don't know 12:49:51 <Belugas> planetmaker, because he knows i can't resist plaing when there is a guit lying around... 12:49:53 <Rubidium> I just 'know' (read: found out) that NIN originated in Cleveland 12:50:03 * Belugas checks 12:53:13 <planetmaker> he... 12:53:16 <Rubidium> though if there's an exposition about them I reckon it'd be in the cleveland museum of art 12:58:47 <Belugas> a sub section in some dark corner of the basement would be appropriate then 12:59:17 <Belugas> with sticky humidity and some human rotting remains or something 12:59:21 <Belugas> how lovely hehehe! 12:59:42 <Rubidium> I haven't found any proof of a NIN museum though 13:02:06 <Belugas> bah 13:02:14 <Belugas> thanks for checking :) 13:06:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa6be.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:52 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 13:30:55 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17292 /trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: use unified ToPercent() function to convert fract numbers to percents 13:40:03 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 13:40:25 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.95.80] has joined #openttd 13:47:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17293 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 13:47:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [NoAI]: AITown::GetLastMonthTransported didn't work as documented at all, make it return what AITown::GetLastMonthProduction did 13:47:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change [NoAI]: mark AITown::GetMaxProduction as deprecated, AITown::GetLastMonthProduction returns now the value GetMaxProduction did 13:50:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17294 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (7 files): -Add [NoAI]: AITown::GetLastMonthTransportedPercentage and AIIndustry::GetLastMonthTransportedPercentage 13:50:47 <Belugas> spammer... 13:51:07 <petern> Belugas, 13:51:13 <petern> did i mention 13:51:19 <petern> that i'm on holiday next week 13:51:38 <Noldo> does that mean more coding or less coding? 13:52:31 <petern> as it was directed at belugas... 13:54:17 <Belugas> hoo... mmhh... good :D 13:55:00 <Belugas> got to make some cleanup on my hd, will need place ;) 13:57:11 <Belugas> funny.. i was thinking about that monday: "i have not seen peter going on vacation" 14:07:17 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.233.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:14:39 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.95.80] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:15:41 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.95.80] has joined #openttd 14:16:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:19:04 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:21:47 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.228.42] has joined #openttd 14:29:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa6be.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 14:37:50 *** kadmoz [kadmoz@88-117-103-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:43:42 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-130.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:46:32 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.80] has joined #openttd 14:51:32 *** joachim [~joachim@244.81-166-176.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:01 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-130.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 14:57:58 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.95.80] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:59:25 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@155.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 14:59:30 <Terkhen> hello 14:59:43 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.95.80] has joined #openttd 15:00:35 <Belugas> hello Terkhen 15:08:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:02 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@77.18.70.149.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:31 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.80] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:08 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.95.80] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:35:43 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.95.80] has joined #openttd 16:10:58 *** Gold24 [gold24@prometheus.24gold.dk] has joined #openttd 16:14:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:16:23 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.95.80] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 16:34:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@89.15.251.155] has joined #openttd 16:50:50 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.228.42] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 16:55:48 <tdev> hm 16:55:53 <tdev> do you have buildbot? 16:56:09 <tdev> i rather mean: do you use buildbot 16:57:53 <Rubidium> why would we use that? 17:01:23 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:40 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:04:31 <tdev> Rubidium, thats one of the questions i would have asked ;) 17:05:18 <planetmaker> he... a re-compile on every commit would keep the server busy 17:05:44 <planetmaker> given the 35 minutes compile time for the CF 17:05:51 <Rubidium> make that 45 17:06:10 <Belugas> 42 17:06:15 <petern> 40 of them for os x? 17:06:24 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.250.21] has joined #openttd 17:06:55 <Rubidium> 2369 seconds 17:06:58 <Rubidium> @calc 2369/60 17:06:58 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 39.4833333333 17:07:01 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:18 <Belugas> would it rise again? 17:08:38 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 17:09:05 <Rubidium> hmm, buildmaster won't even work nicely for OpenTTD's compile run 17:09:35 <Rubidium> it'd make the website incredibly slow during the first ~20 minutes of the compile 17:10:01 <Rubidium> because it assumes all build slaves are different machines 17:10:09 <Rubidium> which isn't quite the case 17:11:53 <Rubidium> the compile farm run could be made ~1 minute faster by shuffling the order at which stuff gets scheduled, but that's quite a lot of work for no real benefit 17:13:11 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.80] has joined #openttd 17:13:56 *** Biolunar [mahdi@77.177.144.68] has quit [Quit: brb] 17:15:53 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:13 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 17:16:22 <kadmoz> question: is there no "unified maglev" in openttd? 17:16:32 <glx> not needed* 17:16:42 <glx> all railtypes are available 17:16:52 <kadmoz> ah i see 17:19:02 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:19:40 <Rubidium> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44910 <- ghehe :) 17:19:43 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:20:37 <planetmaker> lol 17:21:00 <PeterT> haha 17:21:22 <Rubidium> though I think putting him on your car is stupid 17:30:52 <Chris_Booth> what noise does a cow make when it is hit by a high speed train? 17:33:18 <Xaroth> thud 17:37:30 *** Timitry [~Timitry@22-92.stw.uni-duisburg.de] has joined #openttd 17:39:51 *** lolatyou [~lolatyou@80-225-71-124.dynamic.dial.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:14 *** lolatyou [~lolatyou@80-225-71-124.dynamic.dial.as9105.com] has quit [] 17:41:29 <Chris_Booth> moof 17:44:38 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:42 *** Yexo is now known as Guest486 17:44:42 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 17:45:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17295 /trunk/src/lang/lithuanian.txt: 17:45:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 6 changes by mtxd 17:49:49 <OwenS> "X is now known as X - Whos idea was it to take a 'short' 22 mile walk! Oww." lol 17:51:43 *** Guest486 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:08 <petern> What? 17:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly what i was thinking. 17:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause> plus trying to calculate in my head what 42km is in miles... 17:56:47 <nicfer> one question, would be possible to make a 0.7 version of opensfx? 17:56:59 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 17:57:08 <nicfer> I've tried renaming opensfx.cat to sample.cat but nothing 17:57:09 <planetmaker> no 17:57:17 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.7 does not have support for loading that kind of sounds 17:57:46 <nicfer> renaming doesn't work? 17:58:02 <planetmaker> nope 17:58:06 <planetmaker> different file formats 17:58:28 <nicfer> then you should had changed the extension 17:58:41 <planetmaker> why? 17:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "i tried renaming my 720p.x264.mkv files into .vob, but my dvdplayer won't play them!" 17:59:01 <nicfer> for preventing those kinds of troubles 17:59:40 <nicfer> why does mp3 files have a different extension than ogg ones? 17:59:53 <nicfer> different formats... 18:00:04 <Timitry> For preventing those kind of troubles, there probably is a note around "Only for r1xxxx and upwards, not for the 0.7 stable releases" 18:00:10 <planetmaker> why are all kind of versions of word and even plain text files called *.doc? 18:00:10 <nicfer> logical, isn't it? 18:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause> why should they? everything would be much easier if they were called .music and .video 18:01:27 <Timitry> Good point, i think you don't even need file endings on linux-based os, do you? 18:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the file extension is of next to zero relevance for the decoder 18:01:51 <Timitry> At least that's what i read somewhere someday... But i'm just a Win User ;) 18:01:52 <Eddi|zuHause> all file information is usually in the header of the file 18:02:04 <planetmaker> Timitry, I don't need them, yes 18:02:17 <petern> Timitry, allegedly. everyone keeps them, because it's convenient 18:02:28 <Yexo> Timitry: you don't _need_ them on windows either, it just makes life a lot easier 18:02:46 <Timitry> hehe 18:03:08 <Timitry> Gonna watch "Once Upon A Time in Mexico" Now :) 18:03:28 <Eddi|zuHause> the file extensions help stupid file pickers to sort and filter them, but all sane programs use the header information 18:05:08 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of programs just use zip as their "file format", and just give them another extension... 18:05:33 <Eddi|zuHause> (at least Open Office 1 did this, i don't know if they changed that) 18:05:51 <petern> well, peeking the file works individually 18:06:06 <petern> but it's a bit slow when scanning directories or complete file systems 18:06:12 <blathijs> Files should just all have a content-type and content-encoding attribute, instead of trying to encode that crap into the filename... 18:10:23 <petern> that never caught on 18:12:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:07 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:14:26 <blathijs> petern: No, which is a shame... 18:14:56 *** PeterT is now known as the 18:17:42 *** the is now known as PeterT 18:19:02 <Belugas> that was a very clever nick change :) 18:20:38 <blathijs> It probably made sense in another channel :-) 18:21:25 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.250.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:31 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:04 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm48.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:36:22 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.246.176] has joined #openttd 18:50:57 <OwenS> orudge: Any chance of blocking ads from evonyonline.com on tt-forums.net? 18:51:45 <PeterT> shouldnt you ask that on #tycoon? 18:52:29 <Xaroth> lol, that looks like travian, only worse 18:52:29 <OwenS> PeterT: Perhaps, but that would involve joining another channel 18:52:51 <OwenS> Xaroth: I guess you haven't seen their borderline pornographic adverts then? :P 18:53:22 <orudge> OwenS: any particular reason? 18:53:31 <orudge> what do they look like, etc? 18:53:34 <OwenS> orudge: http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-4357758776393046&format=728x90_as&output=html&h=90&w=728&lmt=0&channel=3896256095&ad_type=text_image&ea=0&color_bg=FFFFFF&color_border=FFFFFF&color_link=0000FF&color_text=000000&color_url=008000&flash=10.0.22&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tt-forums.net%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D29%26t%3D44761&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tt-forums.net%2Fviewforum.php%3Ff%3D29%26sid% 18:53:35 <OwenS> 3Deb83d8712b07084c54c5bb77f786d977&dt=1251398939121&correlator=1251398939123&frm=0&ga_vid=1566316184.1251398939&ga_sid=1251398939&ga_hid=1652318224&ga_fc=0&u_tz=60&u_his=2&u_java=0&u_h=1024&u_w=2304&u_ah=1024&u_aw=2304&u_cd=24&u_nplug=4&u_nmime=242&biw=1241&bih=861&fu=0&ifi=1&dtd=9 18:53:38 <orudge> erk 18:53:39 <OwenS> Grr overly long URLs 18:53:45 <blathijs> OwenS: Yeah, I've still not figured out if they're really a fantasy MMORPG or a dating service :-) 18:53:50 <orudge> ah 18:53:53 <orudge> is that the one with the breasts? 18:53:57 <OwenS> Yes :p 18:54:07 <orudge> I've seen those all over the Internet recently 18:54:31 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:42 <orudge> hmm 18:54:50 <[wito]> apparently it's an MMORPG 18:55:00 <[wito]> that has *nothing* to do with bodacious babes. 18:55:02 <orudge> not sure if I can block them as such... I think I can block particular keywords 18:55:03 <Sacro> it's a copyright violation waiting to be sued 18:55:03 <orudge> however 18:55:08 <orudge> maybe people are actually clicking on them ;) 18:55:11 <orudge> and bringing in money 18:55:13 <orudge> "ooh, norks" 18:55:22 <OwenS> orudge: Apparently with AdSense you can block ads for particular sites? 18:55:23 <Xaroth> OwenS: I have, I find them amusing 18:55:37 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.231.188] has joined #openttd 18:55:45 <[wito]> also, at the rate they are evolving, they'll be actual naked ladies by the end of october 18:56:00 <tdev> lol 18:56:05 * Sacro hugs adblock+ 18:56:11 <Audigex> haihai 18:56:13 <tdev> i also added blocked sites to our adsense list 18:56:25 <tdev> nvm 18:56:27 <tdev> gn8 18:56:28 <OwenS> They've become well known enough PopCap have ridiculed them: http://www.bruceongames.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/popcap-evony-advert.jpg 18:56:46 *** tdev [~tdev@p508ECEA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:47 <orudge> :D 18:57:31 <orudge> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=evony+adverts&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= 18:57:32 <orudge> nice 18:57:36 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 18:57:46 <Sacro> it's ripped its graphics from Age of Kings 18:57:52 <Sacro> http://hellforge.gameriot.com/blogs/Hellforge/Evony-Plagiarism-Spot-The-Difference 18:57:58 <orudge> http://www.lazygamer.co.za/general-news/a-history-of-evony-ads-the-insanity-continues 18:58:02 <orudge> that is quite ridiculous 18:58:10 <Sacro> orudge: stop fapping then :P 18:58:32 <orudge> I want to play AoE now 18:58:42 <Sacro> or for more fun - http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=11313 18:58:51 <Sacro> look at what you could actually win! 18:59:14 <Sacro> admittidly the first one is actually rather nice, it gets worse though 18:59:16 <Sacro> orudge: me too 18:59:23 <Sacro> OpenAoE! 19:00:04 <OwenS> "Evony, thanks for showing us what it means to take advertising on the internet to the absolute rock bottom ... then dig a sub-basement under that, and keep on digging until you reach the white-hot molten core of the Earth." 19:01:06 <Sacro> http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu222/daisuke101_photo/IMG_4081.jpg <- oh I dunno (snsfw) 19:01:50 <OwenS> Sacro: That relly that much more NSFW than their actual adverts? 19:02:25 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa6be.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:42 <blathijs> Hmm, I hadn't seem them past take 5 :-) 19:03:00 <Sacro> I only know them through reddit 19:03:05 <Sacro> adblock hides everything like that 19:03:33 * Sacro considers playing Evony 19:03:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:10 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0D556.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:11 <OwenS> Sacro: According to review... Evony is a game for those willing to toss large quantities of cash in the direction of the same people who create that mountain of "WoW Gold" spam :p 19:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no clue wtf you people are talking about... 19:07:52 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Adverts which look somewhat like this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/evony-ad-6.jpg (Probably NSFW) 19:08:24 <Sacro> zomg boobies 19:08:32 <OwenS> They've also started with these now: http://content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net/atoms/24/8d/d1/50/248dd150e15ffaa25d882a634502c05c.jpg 19:08:44 <Sacro> Why not just get over it and post a naked lady 19:09:14 <OwenS> And this advertising for what's essentially an RTS... 19:09:36 <Alberth> OwenS: I'd never guess that :) 19:09:50 <Rubidium> rail transportation system? 19:09:58 <Rubidium> or road transportation system? 19:10:17 <planetmaker> real time strategy 19:10:35 <Alberth> planetmaker: that would be off-topic :p 19:11:16 <Belugas> English question : is it "The Discount Request >>have<< been submitted to HO" OR "The Discount Request >>has<< been submitted to HO" 19:11:17 <Belugas> ? 19:11:22 <Sacro> actually 19:11:31 <OwenS> Belugas: has 19:11:31 <Rubidium> has 19:11:35 <Sacro> George's LV4 set isn't much better 19:11:39 <Sacro> Belugas: has 19:11:45 <Belugas> gracias people 19:11:51 <Sacro> requests have, reqest has 19:12:00 <Rubidium> unless you forgot the s after requests 19:12:45 <Alberth> but then "The" looks a bit weird 19:13:32 <Rubidium> really? 19:13:47 <Rubidium> The cars have been stolen / The car has been stolen 19:13:59 <Rubidium> / Cars have been stolen 19:14:24 <Alberth> I'd use the last one, but with "The" is not impossible, I agree 19:14:59 <OwenS> Depends on if your refering to a specific group of discount requests or not 19:20:05 <Belugas> one request only, for one discount 19:20:06 <Belugas> wow... 19:20:14 <Belugas> that was alot of arguing :) 19:21:39 <Alberth> But in the end we agreed :) 19:23:28 <Eddi|zuHause> http://ptrace.fefe.de/ebay-terrorbedarf.jpg <- that is really great... (german, but you could get the gist of it) 19:33:44 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:04 <Xaroth> weapon grade plutonium? 19:40:51 <planetmaker> :-O 19:40:59 <planetmaker> sometimes similarity search is just a fail 19:41:36 <Rubidium> why? 19:42:12 <Rubidium> isn't dry ice and (liquid) nitrogen often used by physisists? 19:42:41 <planetmaker> sure it is. 19:42:57 <planetmaker> but c4 explosive and weapon-grade Pu rarely :-) 19:43:27 <planetmaker> and I still wonder what dry ice rays might be. 19:44:13 <planetmaker> lN2 isn't far from here, just 5 doors or so. 19:44:31 <Rubidium> still at work? poor you! 19:44:40 <planetmaker> well... 19:44:54 <planetmaker> yes, I should go home 19:45:25 <Rubidium> or hasn't paintball stopped yet and the only 'safe place' is the 'work place'? 19:45:33 <planetmaker> haha :-) 19:45:39 <planetmaker> na, it's over. 19:45:58 <planetmaker> got quite humid under the mask... kind decreasing visibility ;-) 19:46:37 <andythenorth> Jquery for the win. 19:46:45 <andythenorth> But time to stop work now 19:47:00 <andythenorth> I'm sitting in a nearly-empty flat. Moving house. 19:47:05 <andythenorth> tomorrow 19:47:10 <andythenorth> With a big truck 19:48:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17296 /trunk/src/engine.cpp: -Fix/feature [FS#3152]: allow rail wagons to be build when only el rail engines are available 19:50:40 <planetmaker> \o/ yay :-) 19:53:53 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 19:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> which set has only electric engines? 19:54:22 <Rubidium> $CRAPPY_SET :) 19:54:34 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset has/had (accidentially) as first an e-rail engine. and I wondered. 19:54:47 <planetmaker> so... $CRAPPY_SET :-P 20:01:37 <planetmaker> and I didn't know I was kinda asking for a new feature there :-) 20:02:15 * frosch123 asks for the feature to open the cheat menu via ctrl-alt-delete 20:02:27 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 20:02:51 <planetmaker> :-) 20:02:55 * planetmaker is for that 20:03:07 <Rubidium> what? you haven't realised that with MSVC you can attach to the process and cheat without the application figuring out? 20:05:40 * frosch123 likes discussion between > 4 noobs, when noone else joins 20:06:14 <Rubidium> oh, talking about thedailywtf German edition? 20:06:25 <frosch123> exactly :p 20:06:49 <frosch123> btw. dbsetxl 0.9 has higher priority than newstations 2 20:07:39 <Rubidium> vapourware vs vapourware, that's like comparing infinity to infinity ;) 20:08:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i was tempted to reply to that "will there be a newstations release" with "are you aware who you are asking?" :p 20:08:16 <glx> <@Rubidium> what? you haven't realised that with MSVC you can attach to the process and cheat without the application figuring out? <-- true and it works very well :) 20:08:30 <Rubidium> question is: will it be released before duke nukem forever? 20:09:04 <planetmaker> haha :-) 20:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought DNF is officially cancelled? 20:09:26 <Terkhen> it was resurrected again 20:09:35 <planetmaker> I recall that, too. But forever is forever ;-) 20:09:38 <Terkhen> :D 20:10:09 <PeterT> Yexo, what happens when I try to apply freeform map edges to trunk? 20:10:12 <Rubidium> *or* are dbsetxl 0.9 and newstations going to be released once TTDP 2.5 is done? 20:10:12 <PeterT> :) 20:10:25 <planetmaker> PeterT, you'll get zillions of rejects 20:10:32 <Yexo> PeterT: that patch is already _in_ trunk, why would you try to apply it? 20:10:42 <PeterT> thats the whole point of me asking. 20:10:56 <Terkhen> http://platformers.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/slash000.jpg 20:10:57 <PeterT> why rejects pm? if its changing the same code? 20:10:57 <Yexo> then see planetmakers reply 20:11:03 <planetmaker> Rubidium, aren't they already at 2.6alpha? 20:11:21 <glx> PeterT: because it will not find the old code to apply the new one 20:11:24 <Yexo> PeterT: because most likely the code isn't exactly the same anymore as at the time that patch was written 20:11:32 <frosch123> don't know, maybe cb149 is 2.6 20:11:34 <PeterT> oh 20:11:36 <PeterT> ok 20:11:40 <PeterT> that makes sense 20:11:41 <planetmaker> and applying a patch twice never works well. 20:11:55 <glx> especially on new files :) 20:12:00 <planetmaker> :-P 20:12:05 <Rubidium> planetmaker: alpha is no more than nightlies 20:12:06 <PeterT> btw, Yexo, thanks for keeping a great changelog and version numbers on Freeform map edges patch 20:12:32 <Yexo> PeterT: I have no idea why that is of you with use, but np :) 20:12:52 <planetmaker> Rubidium, well... are there actually ever updates to beta? I honestly don't keep track of TTDP versions. 20:12:52 <PeterT> Oh, you will see very soon Yexo 20:13:01 <Xaroth> PeterT is known for his completely out-of-the-blue random remarks :P 20:13:02 <Rubidium> planetmaker: there are 20:13:15 <DaleStan> There are commits, but patchman hasn't released a new beta. 20:13:19 <PeterT> lol xaroth 20:13:23 * DaleStan wishes he would. 20:13:26 <planetmaker> DaleStan, can't you do so? 20:13:34 <OwenS> DaleStan: Has Patchman returned from his dissappearence yet? 20:13:54 <DaleStan> I don't have access tp ttdpatch.net, and I'm not sure I would even if I did. 20:13:54 <planetmaker> you and Lackie and JGR seem the only contributors... 20:14:01 <DaleStan> He materializes occasionally. 20:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> what actually prevents the current "beta" from being declared "stable"? 20:14:30 <planetmaker> what does relate website access to software release? 20:14:33 <OwenS> I noticed his profile said he logged into the forums relatively recently... but last post was ages ago 20:14:35 <Rubidium> it's like our release branches, but never ever having done the actual release, just think of e.g. the 0.7 branch where the releases/rcs are betas and no release has been made 20:15:07 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: 3 years of bugfixes? 20:15:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it always makes me sad when people come to the (german) forum, and they installed "stable" TTDP, because everything else is virtually impossible for a newbie to find 20:16:16 <planetmaker> yup, that's sad then indeed 20:16:27 <glx> stable is 2.0rev1 20:16:32 <planetmaker> yes 20:16:37 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly, and that is 5 years old 20:16:59 <planetmaker> many people only download stables. 20:17:03 <glx> but even 2.5beta9 is highly outdated 20:17:05 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: going strong for 6 :( 20:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and 2.0rev1 is what you get offered when going to ttdpatch.net 20:17:46 <Rubidium> yeah, nastily with "Apr 19 2007 20:17:47 <Rubidium> 12:23:45 GMT" 20:18:02 <planetmaker> he... 20:18:05 <OwenS> So in other words TTDP is in a nasty state of affairs for newbies :p 20:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and of course you get flamed by forum-oldies, when you redirect them to the "better" openttd 20:19:36 <Rubidium> ofcourse, OpenTTD isn't a better TTDP 20:19:43 <Rubidium> (nor is TTDP a better OpenTTD) 20:20:04 <OwenS> OpenTTD is better than TTDP stable though :p 20:20:25 <Belugas> not better. different 20:20:31 <Rubidium> that depends on your viewpoint 20:21:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2F3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:19 <Rubidium> e.g. TTDP's bug compatability with TTD is way better than OpenTTD's, which is important for those that just want to play TTD on WinNT-ish platforms 20:21:50 <petern> redirect all requests for THE SUPERIOR OLD AI!!!!!! back to ttdpatch :D 20:22:08 <OwenS> And I thought bug compatibility was a term only thrown arround w.r.t. Windows and WINE :P 20:22:11 <Belugas> lol 20:22:19 <Belugas> a cake for petern :D 20:22:28 <Rubidium> OwenS: no, also w.r.t. Windows and DOS 20:22:38 <DaleStan> <petern> redirect all requests for THE SUPERIOR OLD AI!!!!!! back to ttdpatch :D <-- Can do. 20:22:50 <OwenS> Rubidium: I meant Windows and WINE as separate (though related) examples :p 20:22:52 <Rubidium> if you believe "program /h" is a bug 20:23:08 <Rubidium> 'cause the first DOS didn't have directories 20:23:21 <Rubidium> and since then they use \ for directories 20:23:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2E05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:24:02 <Rubidium> or the special VM mode in (at least) win9x for Sim City 20:24:28 <OwenS> I believe in the WinNT series it patches the game executable 20:24:43 <planetmaker> hm... indeed _where_ are the nightlies, if I start on ttdpatch.net ? 20:24:59 <frosch123> planetmaker: source code 20:25:01 <Rubidium> planetmaker: easy 20:25:07 <Rubidium> click on 'beta testing' in the news 20:25:31 <Rubidium> then there's a terminology and there's the link to nightly.ttdpatch.net 20:25:31 <planetmaker> :-) both works. Thanks 20:26:33 <planetmaker> he... TB and Mihamax provide nightlies.ttdpatch.net? 20:26:43 <Rubidium> planetmaker: not 100% true anymore 20:26:51 <Rubidium> it's OpenTTD's compile farm that does 20:27:01 <planetmaker> ah :-) 20:27:05 <Rubidium> and the binaries are hosted on OpenTTD's server 20:27:07 <DaleStan> Nope. That site is NXDOMAIN. 20:27:24 * DaleStan is being useless again. 20:27:47 <Rubidium> semantics :) 20:28:01 <Rubidium> or actually pm asking the wrong question :) 20:28:29 <planetmaker> hm... :-) 20:28:51 <Rubidium> anyhow, nightly.ttdpatch.net just a front end that purely links to binaries.ttdpatch.net 20:29:06 <Rubidium> binaries.ttdpatch.net. 14245 IN CNAME binaries.openttd.org. 20:29:15 <planetmaker> :-) 20:29:23 <planetmaker> quite nicely interweaved, eh? 20:29:43 <PeterT> Terkhan 20:29:44 <OwenS> IN CNAME web.openttd.org. aka redundant CNAMEs :p 20:29:52 <PeterT> did you look at your newest patch thread? 20:29:55 <OwenS> AKA violates RFCs IIRC 20:30:21 <Rubidium> who cares? it seems to work for everyone 20:30:27 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:46 <Rubidium> it amazes me that ttdpatch.net is accessible over IPv6 20:31:01 <Terkhen> PeterT: yes 20:31:06 <OwenS> Rubidium: I would say "Really nightlies.ttdpatch.net should be in CNAME web.openttd.org" but I doubt you have access to their DNS :p 20:31:08 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:09 <PeterT> sounds good? 20:31:39 <planetmaker> DaleStan, but what does keep you (or any other active dev) to actually declare a version stable or beta? 20:32:10 <Terkhen> I'll answer at the thread after I finish coding :) 20:32:16 <PeterT> ok cool 20:32:23 <planetmaker> then it'd be a simple asking to update the front web page instead of doing something himself for Patchman 20:32:44 <Rubidium> OwenS: the current situation allows us to move the binaries stuff and not our website without having to wait for patchman 20:33:19 <OwenS> Rubidium: Yes but you're relying on client implementation details. Whether that matters or not in practice is a different matter :p 20:33:34 <Rubidium> or implement mirror rotation 20:34:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@89.15.251.155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:07 <DaleStan> planetmaker: Mainly, I don't want to. 20:35:07 <DaleStan> ... ... I guess I feel like it'd be tantamount to declaring that TTDPatch is mine now, and not Patchman's, and I'm not that bold. 20:35:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:35:44 <planetmaker> DaleStan, it would only be the step to accept the truth :-) 20:37:00 <Rubidium> technically the release manager doesn't need to be the supreme ruler of the project 20:37:10 <DaleStan> Also, I feel like the 2.6 bugfixes all need to be checked and possibly backported 2.5 before declaring a stable or beta, and I haven't mustered up the energy for that. 20:38:15 <Rubidium> yeah, I can imagine checking 3 years worth of commits is an awful lot of (boring) work 20:38:25 <planetmaker> he... that indeed. 20:38:48 <planetmaker> but maybe differently. Let 2.5 be what it is... an open end. 20:39:01 <planetmaker> But start with 2.6 stable and call nightlies 2.7 from now / then on. 20:39:05 <Rubidium> it's kinda why I'm now doing it weekly an keep a list of what's new for 0.8 and what is for 0.8 20:39:09 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 20:39:18 <Rubidium> 3.0 ? 20:39:59 <planetmaker> or 3.0 20:40:02 <planetmaker> whatever :-) 20:40:26 <planetmaker> after all, trunk has to be branched for a new stable release anyway. 20:40:43 <planetmaker> Maybe that branch could be made before the experimental cargo dest stuff got in... but 20:40:52 <Rubidium> though, it's debatable whether /trunk is releasable due to a number of unfinished projects IIRC 20:40:55 <planetmaker> you know better how stable that is / will be. 20:41:21 <planetmaker> well. Then one could branch and pull out the worst again ;-) 20:41:33 <Rubidium> ghehehe, like PBS? 20:41:35 <planetmaker> in that stable branch 20:41:42 <planetmaker> probably. I wasn't around then. 20:41:44 <Rubidium> (in OpenTTD before 0.4.5) 20:42:30 <planetmaker> :-) 20:42:50 <planetmaker> Let me guess: since then you're more cautious about integration into trunk ;-) 20:42:55 <Eddi|zuHause> which projects are currently unfinished? the scalable-gui-revamp? 20:43:25 <Rubidium> that's the primary unfinished project in OTTD's trunk 20:43:25 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yeah, that was about the time when development of experimental features was pushed into branches 20:43:27 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I was talking TTDP then. 20:43:40 <planetmaker> yes, I believe so :-) 20:43:43 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 20:44:05 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:41 <Rubidium> although there are some other unfinished cleanup/rewrites too, but those are in a state where the code is perfectly releaseable (small steps really help) 20:47:04 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 20:47:12 <planetmaker> :-) 20:47:24 <planetmaker> But the windows re-write will have to be finished before 0.8? 20:47:50 <Rubidium> not fully, but it should be in a releaseable state 20:49:13 <Rubidium> although having it fully finished is preferred 20:49:27 <asilv> Do I understand the code in function UpdateTownRadius(in town_cmd.cpp) correctly? Large towns don't have zone 2 at all? 20:49:33 <asilv> also hi! 20:49:34 <Rubidium> as massive less code changes => simpler backports 20:51:21 <Rubidium> asilv: yes, that's right 20:51:57 <DaleStan> Officially, the barrier between 2.5 and 2.6 is that the 2.5's lang/ directory is frozen. 20:52:14 <asilv> hmm, I guess I and Irwe have to change our design bit 20:52:15 <DaleStan> ... Except that 2.5 still has untranslated strings, so I'm not sure how frozen it actually is. 20:52:21 <asilv> thanks Rubidium 20:52:59 <petern> hmm 20:53:05 <planetmaker> asilv, still not fond of the idea of a public repository? 20:53:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: don't push people, that only annoys them! 20:53:34 <planetmaker> :) 20:53:40 <petern> ls 20:53:43 <petern> er 20:53:46 *** Timitry [~Timitry@22-92.stw.uni-duisburg.de] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 20:53:59 <asilv> planetmaker: I don't see much benefit, I will release the source when the set is released though 20:54:11 <petern> my hg repos appear to have disappeared :) 20:54:19 <Eddi|zuHause> what's "er" for a command? :p 20:54:22 <Rubidium> petern: is that the new way to write luser/loser? 20:55:36 <petern> ... 20:56:34 <planetmaker> asilv, more eyes to spot problems and errors is the benefit. 20:57:27 <planetmaker> and the possibilities for others to learn 20:58:33 * petern wonders how to publish hg stuff now 20:59:37 <Rubidium> ask Yexo? Don't remember anything about changes 20:59:51 <petern> well since the unified user system i suspect 20:59:54 <Yexo> nothing did change the last weeks, at least I didn't notice any change 21:00:00 <Yexo> petern: your hg repos are still available here: 21:00:04 <Yexo> http://hg.openttd.org/ 21:00:11 <petern> ah ! 21:00:14 <petern> they magically appeared 21:00:15 <petern> lol 21:00:47 <petern> unfortunately i can't modify them 21:01:09 <Yexo> can you still ssh to the server? 21:01:11 <petern> yes 21:01:40 <Rubidium> the rights seem to be the same as Yexo's 21:01:49 <Yexo> default-push = ssh://yexo@secure.openttd.org//var/repos/hg/developers/yexo/airports/ <- that is what I use in .hg/hgrc 21:01:58 <petern> ls: cannot open directory /var/repos: Permission denied 21:03:27 <Rubidium> Yexo: can you ls in that directory? 21:03:29 <Yexo> petern: for some reason you're not in the vcs group while I am 21:03:34 <Yexo> Rubidium: yes 21:04:02 <Belugas> and me, i'm not in the work group anymore! 21:04:08 <Rubidium> odd, cause your groups and petern's groups are the same except for Translators-Dutch 21:04:16 <Belugas> let's login to the commuters group 21:04:23 <Belugas> bye bye 21:04:28 <petern> bye sir 21:04:51 <Rubidium> petern: please relogin and try again 21:06:12 <Yexo> <@Rubidium> odd, cause your groups and petern's groups are the same except for Translators-Dutch <- how do you request that info? id doesn't list 1003(vcs) for peter1138 21:06:26 <Rubidium> I did groups <username> 21:06:54 <Rubidium> ah, Yexo != yexo 21:06:58 <Yexo> now that group is listed 21:07:17 <petern> that works 21:09:05 <Eddi|zuHause> # ey-oh eyoh 21:09:16 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: k3? 21:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a k3? 21:09:47 <Xaroth> lol 21:09:52 <Xaroth> K2 you mean 21:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause> K2 is a mountain 21:10:14 <Rubidium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_AZVw_1gm4 21:10:27 <Xaroth> yeh but K3 is missing 1 21:10:55 <petern> yikes, rhythmbox is using 100% cpu :s 21:11:29 <OwenS> petern: Amarok ftw :p 21:12:34 <petern> keep your nasty kde away from me 21:12:48 <glx> vmware is using 50% cpu 21:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIKc7og6WLY 21:13:00 <OwenS> petern: Well it never hogs my CPU :p 21:13:20 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14:09 <asilv> planetmaker: I don't like releasing unfinished stuff, anyway the first public realease is going to be soon, and like I said I will release the code too 21:14:15 <asilv> but thank for the offer 21:14:37 <asilv> +s 21:15:00 <petern> OwenS, it's gstreamer 21:15:05 <petern> it's sample rate converter sucked 21:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, no, that doesn't seem like the right one... 21:15:32 <OwenS> =/ I've never had that with Amarok 2 + Phonon + GStreamer... 21:15:41 <OwenS> Admittedly all my audio is 44.1kHz... 21:15:41 <planetmaker> hm... imo it's got nothing to do with "releasing unfinished". But your choice 21:15:46 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: so from who did they steal that song? 21:15:57 <petern> it's fine at 44.1, 48 or 96 21:16:02 <Eddi|zuHause> if i had a decent internet connection, i could check out youtube links before posting them... 21:16:04 <petern> but it chokes at 88.2 21:16:22 <petern> which is... stupid 21:16:33 * OwenS wonders how it would deal with 2822.4 21:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: well, it is "optimised" for the "common" values :p 21:16:52 <OwenS> 88.2 is reasonably common :p 21:17:15 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:18 <petern> yup, it's just 44.1 * 2 21:17:28 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:17:28 * Prof_Frink throws Ks at petern 21:17:52 <petern> i haven't calibrated my setup to the K-system yet 21:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well, it's the right song, but not the right video... http://en.sevenload.com/videos/KN1ghGC/Die-Prinzen-Das-ist-alles-nur-geklaut 21:30:49 <Terkhen> good night 21:30:57 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@155.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:31:54 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has left #openttd [] 21:35:42 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 21:37:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 21:42:01 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa6be.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 21:47:17 <andythenorth> nfo...how do I use string code 01 to provide an x offset? 21:47:30 <andythenorth> -1 * 1 04 02 7F 01 D3 "01 32 Coaster (Large)" 00 21:47:35 <andythenorth> doesn't do what I expect 21:47:59 <andythenorth> oh 21:48:04 <andythenorth> -1 * 1 04 02 7F 01 D3 01 32 "Coaster (Large)" 00 21:48:06 <andythenorth> works 21:48:14 <andythenorth> misread the docs :{ 21:48:20 <DaleStan> Or "Coaster (Large)" 21:48:27 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't we want to abolish x offsets? 21:51:28 <DaleStan> Note that, for example, although "Coaster" works, "\FCoaster" is unlikely to be what you want. That latter encodes as 01 FC 'o' 'a' ... 21:51:41 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I find the offsets to be crazy talk. But I need to sort my ships out... 21:51:56 <andythenorth> DaleStan: thanks 21:52:55 <Rubidium> can't you use callback/action2 "I don't know exactly which one, but the one used to get different graphics for the 2cc trains in the build menu" 21:53:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i only took a short glimpse of the ships. my first impression is that they are probably too long 21:53:17 <Rubidium> to make the ships smaller? 21:53:39 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: like LV, but for ships, right? 21:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause> making them longer than 2 tiles is asking for trouble... 21:59:39 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: making them shorter than 2 tiles causes player...requests :P 21:59:46 <andythenorth> but yes the ships have some issues 21:59:52 <andythenorth> with bridges, landscape etc 21:59:57 <andythenorth> I'm living with it 22:00:02 <Rubidium> making them longer causes bug reports 22:01:48 <andythenorth> ach well...with the coop make system it's easy to knock out the longest one 22:01:50 <andythenorth> we'll see 22:02:17 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 22:06:42 *** kadmoz [kadmoz@88-117-103-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:41 <Audigex> quick question 22:15:44 <Audigex> under the GPL 22:16:02 <Audigex> if i modify the program, but don't distribute it, I don't have to hand out the source code do I? 22:16:19 <OwenS> Nope 22:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause> correct. you only ever have to give out the source code to people you gave the binary to. 22:18:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:51 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 22:23:13 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 22:36:07 *** lolman [~john@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56:21 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 22:56:38 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:56:47 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:39 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 23:10:30 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa6be.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:39 <TrueBrain> [22:29] <OwenS> IN CNAME web.openttd.org. aka redundant CNAMEs :p <- don't talk bull, this is completely allowed, and not in any way redundant .. as in that case ALL CNAMEs are redundant! 23:11:44 <petern> it's a strange definition of 'redundant', i must say 23:11:50 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I'll admit I made a mistake; the RFC doesn't ban CNAMEs to CNAMES but does say CNAME records that point to other CNAME records should be avoided (RFC 1034 section 5.2.2) 23:12:22 <TrueBrain> avoided != wrong or in violation ;) 23:12:26 <TrueBrain> but for sure it is not redundant 23:12:56 <TrueBrain> (sorry, was skipping over the logs when I noticed that entry ;) 23:12:58 <OwenS> I do agree with DJB when he says that DNS should have not included CNAMES but instead the DNS server should have resolved them however 23:13:15 <TrueBrain> LOL! 23:13:20 <TrueBrain> not really .. possible over multiple DNS zones 23:13:23 <TrueBrain> (like in this case) 23:13:34 <petern> agree with DJB? 23:13:35 <petern> OUT 23:13:36 <petern> OUT OUT OUT 23:13:47 <OwenS> He said the DNS server should have done the lookup at the origin server 23:14:05 <TrueBrain> OwenS: lol, nice way to DDoS a DNS server 23:14:09 <TrueBrain> no, I think that would be a terrible idea 23:14:12 <TrueBrain> and who the fuck is DJB? 23:14:21 <OwenS> TrueBrain: http://cr.yp.to 23:14:21 <TrueBrain> (remember, DNS is intended for LOW bandwidth FAST lookup service) 23:14:38 <petern> TrueBrain, qmail... 23:14:41 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Ok, your DNS server caches the record for it's TTL (Or half it for efficiency) 23:14:44 <petern> and that other thing 23:14:57 <TrueBrain> OwenS: 'caching' by default is not the intension of a DNS server 23:15:05 <TrueBrain> the idea is of him to fast serve things from static files 23:15:13 <petern> oh, daemontools 23:15:21 <TrueBrain> so any 'resolving' or 'looking up' would be terrible 23:15:21 <OwenS> petern: and TinyDNS 23:15:23 <TrueBrain> petern: ah, tnx 23:15:35 <TrueBrain> qmail .. the most unsupported tool ever .. 'it is finished' 23:15:41 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Caching on the first request would not be particularly expensive 23:15:42 <TrueBrain> yeah .. and therefor there are N+1 patches available :p 23:15:48 <petern> daemontools... because inetd doesn't work? 23:15:49 <OwenS> TrueBrain: QMail is now Public Domain... 23:15:49 <TrueBrain> OwenS: in complexity? Sure it would 23:16:00 <TrueBrain> like you make httpds do all kind of funky shit .. wait .. they nowedays do :( 23:16:14 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I don't care. I think it is stupid you consider your product DONE 23:16:22 <OwenS> TrueBrain: He said this after writing his own DNS server and his own DNS resolution library. I tend to think that qualifies him to make such comment 23:16:23 <OwenS> s 23:16:35 <petern> DJB's a kook 23:16:47 <TrueBrain> OwenS: might be, but it defeats the IDEA of a DNS server .. how ever he implemented HIS implementation of that idea 23:16:56 <glx> TrueBrain: real 45m51.301s 23:17:19 <TrueBrain> like saying authors of Apache have anything to say in the httpd branch based on their apache experience :p nginx, lighttpd, and cherokee proofed that ;) 23:17:22 <TrueBrain> glx: AUCH! 23:17:26 <glx> and it's not an universal build 23:17:48 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I strongly believe in simplicity of things 23:17:55 <TrueBrain> 'internal lookup' is not anywhere close to that 23:17:59 <R0b0t1> Apache = not so great. Too much multithreading. 23:18:00 <glx> but I'm quite sure it's because there's no vmware video driver for tiger 23:18:04 <TrueBrain> now a DNS server only has to accept a connection and feed data back 23:18:07 <TrueBrain> nothing less, nothing more 23:18:13 <OwenS> TrueBrain: He believes in the simplicity of DNS resolves rather than the simplicity of DNS servers. 23:18:16 <TrueBrain> in DJB's 'idea', it would need to do SO FUCKING MUCH MORE :( 23:18:26 <TrueBrain> R0b0t1: too much code. 23:18:34 <R0b0t1> That too :d 23:18:40 <OwenS> Apache sucks because it's ancient :p 23:18:52 <TrueBrain> glx: possible ... I came a long way yesterday in OSX shit .. tomorrow I am going to try a local isntall, as I think I gathered enoguh shit :) 23:18:57 <petern> hhehe 23:18:58 <TrueBrain> who knows that can speed up things :p 23:19:06 <TrueBrain> OwenS: ancient != bad 23:19:11 <petern> incidentally, tinydns' data file is : separated 23:19:16 <petern> *cough* ipv6 23:19:22 <TrueBrain> hehehe 23:19:23 <OwenS> It's DJBDNS, woops 23:20:00 <TrueBrain> OwenS: either way, if you base your opinion on one 'expert', you are as worse as the next guy :) 23:20:06 <TrueBrain> read up what PowerDNS guys things of it :p 23:20:16 <OwenS> TrueBrain: The PowerDNS guys agree with him on many points :p 23:20:18 <TrueBrain> either way, DNS by concept is kind of bad :) 23:20:24 <TrueBrain> 'on many' being this one? :p 23:20:37 <OwenS> Well I should point out it's a bit too late to change DNS now 23:20:57 <Xaroth> nn all 23:21:01 <TrueBrain> I can't imagine my life without CNAMEs .... 23:21:01 <TrueBrain> night Xaroth 23:21:14 <Xaroth> o/ TrueBrain 23:21:14 <TrueBrain> AFXR for one ... I love that CNAMEs are there 23:21:21 <TrueBrain> not some internal resolving ..... :( 23:21:41 <TrueBrain> mailfilter MX level ... I love CNAMEs there 23:22:02 <OwenS> But if given the opertunity... first thing I would do is get rid of it's crappy compression system which is worse than any general purpose algorithm and simultaniously more complex 23:22:17 <TrueBrain> THAT you would get ride of in the DNS system? 23:22:34 <TrueBrain> LOL! I think that should be the lowest priority on any list ;) 23:23:31 <Xaroth> ugh i should actually go to bed 23:23:33 <TrueBrain> HTTP SRV would be useful for OpenTTD at least ... :( 23:23:35 * Xaroth puts the popcorn away 23:23:41 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: you just said you were! HOP HOP! 23:23:46 <TrueBrain> tomorrow is another big day :) 23:23:54 <Xaroth> the discussion was too fun to watch 23:23:58 <Xaroth> meh, tomorrow evo 23:24:04 <TrueBrain> fun is the good word :) 23:24:09 <TrueBrain> give EVO a big kiss from me 23:24:18 <Xaroth> that would be quite.. impossible 23:24:18 <TrueBrain> I ahven't been there in.... I can't remember when I was there last :p 23:24:19 <Xaroth> but sure. 23:24:34 <Xaroth> I left some info and stuffs in the other chan btw. 23:24:38 <OwenS> I'd also like to shoot the DNSSEC people for producing a stupid unworkable system... 23:25:02 <Xaroth> OwenS: create a new (better) system? 23:25:02 <TrueBrain> for some reason my IRC didn't tell me :( 23:25:19 <OwenS> Xaroth: DNS is pretty well entrenched :p 23:25:23 <Xaroth> so? 23:25:38 <OwenS> It also, in spite of it's cruftiness, works 99.99% of the time 23:26:29 <TrueBrain> OwenS: tnx for the late night talk about useless stuff :) Now I will find my bed :) 23:26:31 <TrueBrain> night all! 23:26:43 <OwenS> night 23:32:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:14 <petern> Xaroth, AOL keywords! 23:51:50 *** Davelister [~niels@weg38-3-78-232-41-40.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:53 <Davelister> hello world 23:52:27 <Davelister> !password 23:52:27 *** Davelister was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. 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