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[~woldemar@188.122.231.254] has joined #openttd 10:06:56 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:47 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:07:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.220.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:10:51 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-20-21-242.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:13 <fonsinchen> I want to save/load nested containers, for example a std::map<StationID, std::list<CargoPacket *> >. 10:22:31 <Zuu> Up untill about a month ago I hadn't been drinking coffe more than 2-3 times in more than one year. I had copletely stoped drinking it. But now I started again and I drink more a day than I did before. I'm already on my third cup today. :-D 10:22:35 <fonsinchen> Am I the first one with that problem, or has anyone else ever thought about that? 10:25:35 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17507 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make some methods of the OrdersWindow non-static. 10:25:49 <Rubidium> you're the first 10:29:26 *** bubastis [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:33:32 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-131.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 10:36:12 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.231.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:09 <fonsinchen> In fact I have a solution, which is procedurally loading/saving the stuff in some deterministic order. But that's not so well readable. It would be nicer to have some way of representing that in the SaveLoad struct, like SLE_LST ... not quite trivial, though. 10:38:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.158.228.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 10:52:20 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.107.55] has joined #openttd 10:53:12 <Sacro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag-_SOihwwg 11:20:03 * Zuu wished he had a pen with ink that drys more quickly 11:21:12 <Alberth> use a pencil instead 11:23:35 <Zuu> Doesn't show up as good in a scanner. But hopefully I will be done early enough so that I can hand it in on monday before the door to the post boxes locks. :-) 11:24:33 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B268E47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:27:00 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:33:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcc47.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:37:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.167.238] has joined #openttd 11:46:31 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 11:51:18 *** B_Chaos [~BaronChao@p5B268DAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:56:03 *** Entane [Entane@c0F6A47C1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:28 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B268E47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:22:17 *** bubastis [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 12:23:18 *** samar [~samar@test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:10 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.163.199] has quit [] 12:26:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.158.228.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:01 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c8c6:b174:684:c346] has joined #openttd 12:27:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:29:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:30:53 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.107.55] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 12:31:09 *** samar [~samar@test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has left #openttd [Zencafe 2.0 - Straight Forwards to the Future [Leaving]] 12:32:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-113-92.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:33:18 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.163.199] has joined #openttd 12:35:45 *** Shhup [~Shhup@bl16-102-149.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 12:35:48 <Shhup> Hey 12:35:53 <Shhup> Can anyone help me? 12:36:34 <Shhup> Please? 12:36:43 <frosch123> better call the police directly 12:37:02 <Shhup> A friend of mine can't connect to my server on Internet 12:37:12 <Shhup> It's says "1 Client in front of us" 12:37:44 <Rubidium> so someone else is trying to join your server at the moment 12:37:45 *** Shhup [~Shhup@bl16-102-149.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 12:37:54 <glx> with a slow download speed 12:37:56 <frosch123> you were fast enough :) 12:38:38 <petern> okay, what's the intel core i5 stuff? 12:38:47 <glx> new cpu 12:38:48 <petern> and why does the core i7 come in two different sockets? 12:39:47 * petern ponders phenom instead 12:41:09 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:41:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:29 <Rubidium> ooh... Intel restarted their processor numbering again? 12:41:37 <Rubidium> time to start selling those i386 procs :) 12:42:01 <petern> i guess that i5 is like the celeron version 12:42:03 <petern> but 12:42:12 <petern> then they introduce another new socket tyep 12:42:17 <KenjiE20> i5 is our current C2x series afaik 12:42:20 <petern> AND make a cut down i7 that goes in that socket 12:42:37 <petern> ? 12:42:54 <petern> core 2 is not core i5 12:43:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43:19 <frosch123> i5 sounds like 90mhz pentium 12:43:35 <KenjiE20> http://www.scan.co.uk/TekSpek/index.aspx?ArticleId=108 <- that has a chart 12:43:49 <KenjiE20> sorry yes, i3 is current C2 12:44:07 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb0f6.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:18 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.28] has joined #openttd 12:47:33 <frosch123> so it's basically dual-channel vs tri-channel memory 12:47:37 <frosch123> isn't it? 12:47:50 <glx> <@petern> and why does the core i7 come in two different sockets? <-- worse 3 sockets 12:48:28 <petern> glx, i can safely ignore mobile variants 12:48:33 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:50:19 *** Entane [~asdf@140.84-48-61.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:05 <petern> "If anything, the QPI on Bloomfield is a performance hindrance for a single socket platform and is totally unnecessary. It's just one more interconnect between the CPU and the video cards that isn't present on the Lynnfield cpu with it's PCIe integrated on die." 12:53:09 <petern> argh 12:53:26 <petern> technology technology 12:54:47 <petern> maybe a C2D E8400 is still good enough 12:55:56 <Aali> the E8400 is good enough if you overclock it :) 12:56:02 <Aali> which is trivial 12:57:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17508 /trunk/src/ (base_station_base.h station.cpp station_base.h): -Fix [FS#3195] (r16859): join station window didn't get updated when stations were removed from the pool 12:58:28 *** Entane [~asdf@140.84-48-61.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:59:06 *** Entane [~asdf@140.84-48-61.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:57 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-20-21-242.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.220.31] has joined #openttd 13:11:13 *** Entane [~asdf@140.84-48-61.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:01 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest2219 13:27:07 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-84-199.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:10 <frosch123> ctibor: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3197 <- does that match your scenario? 13:32:21 *** Guest2219 [~Chris_Boo@client-82-20-21-242.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:41 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.107.55] has joined #openttd 13:37:31 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:34 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 13:49:03 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.158.228.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.158.228.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:31:10 *** bubastis [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:27 *** bubastis [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17509 /trunk/src/vehicle_cmd.cpp: 14:37:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3196]: if building a part fails during cloning, sell what was already cloned instead of leaving it 'for free' 14:37:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Fix: make cloning multiheaded trains possible with with 'max - 1' vehicles existing 14:40:38 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17510 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix [FS#3197]: When loading GRFConfigs from ini file, validate them wrt. duplicate GRF IDs. 14:41:54 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-228-171.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 14:44:36 *** qball [~qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:56:54 *** Bubastis_weg [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:21 *** bubastis [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:46 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:59:52 <Zuu> An interesting thing of traffic theory is to calculate the speed of zero cars. :-) 15:00:31 <Zuu> Which may happen to be eg. 70 km/h 15:01:55 <frosch123> it will be difficult to prove you wrong 15:02:11 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:58 * Rubidium proposes it to be `c' 15:04:17 <Zuu> The speed of zero cars is usually described as the free flow speed and is basically the speed you drive if you are alone on the road. 15:04:54 <Rubidium> oh, then it's like 20 km/h :) 15:10:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:12:20 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 15:13:03 <frosch123> wouldn't that be the speed of one car? 15:15:56 <Rubidium> that's how fast I'd drive when there're no cars on the road 15:16:07 <Zuu> Well no, because to calculate the free flow speed you set the density to zero. 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18:03:09 *** kamikaz333 [~kamikaz33@92.245.88.234] has quit [] 18:04:17 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:15 <Rubidium> not within such short time :) 18:13:40 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.163.199] has quit [] 18:14:17 <Alberth> maybe he realized it is more efficient to simply try it :) 18:15:41 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:37 *** Jonis [Jonis@c-e2f670d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:22:55 <Jonis> Hi 18:23:27 <Rubidium> evening 18:23:31 <Zuu> Hi Jonis 18:24:32 <Jonis> I have a question, does anyone have a good 64x64 map? 18:24:35 *** zachanim1 [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:24:52 <frosch123> define "good" 18:25:45 <Jonis> The terrain should be hard and not to many cities or industries. 18:25:59 <Doorslammer> It's 64x64 18:26:07 <Doorslammer> You aren't going to have much of either anyhow 18:26:32 <Rubidium> 1 town, 0 industries? 18:26:45 <Rubidium> can't be many 18:27:13 <frosch123> Jonis: so open the new game window, turn of the shore on all sides, set the terrain to mountainious, set the number of towns to 2, and similiar for the industries 18:27:14 <Zuu> I played a nice 64x124 multiplayer game once. 18:27:22 <Zuu> We were 4-5 players on that map. 18:27:44 <Jonis> How do i turn of the shore? 18:28:19 <Zuu> Jonis: Which version do you run? We asume you run at least 0.7.x 18:28:21 <frosch123> at the bottom are four buttons 18:29:09 <Jonis> I run 0.6.3 but I will just install the latest version. 18:29:11 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:22 <Zuu> http://finger.openttd.org will keep you informed when a new release appears. Or if you don't want to visit that page (which is not really human-friendly) use a program that does that for you and tell you when it is time to upgrade. 18:30:38 <Zuu> http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD_Updaters 18:30:57 <Jonis> Nice, now I know how to turn off the shores 18:30:57 <frosch123> Zuu: there is also a RSS feed 18:31:24 <Zuu> frosch123: Didn't knew there was an RSS for just releases. 18:31:39 <frosch123> i guess it is for all news on the front page 18:31:48 <frosch123> but i do not use it :) 18:31:52 <Jonis> I'm going to add the RSS feed to my mobilephone :D 18:31:57 <Zuu> Still not to much spam there. (on the news page) 18:32:16 <Zuu> /spam/unrelated news/ 18:32:52 <frosch123> well, usually 4 in two months 18:33:14 <frosch123> except in winter :p 18:33:38 <Zuu> Yea, for stable releases which doesn't happen that often, a update tool is a bit of an overkill if you don't already have it for nightlies and all other stuff. 18:40:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17514 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Nestify Add-NewGRF dialog. 18:46:27 <jonty-comp> hmm 18:46:35 <jonty-comp> the multiplayer cheating page on the wiki encourages cheating 18:46:46 <jonty-comp> http://wiki.openttd.org/Multiplayer_cheating#When_All_Land_Is_Flattened 18:47:26 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-26.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 18:48:05 <Jonis> In what way? 18:48:34 <jonty-comp> "See if there is an old, deserted company around, and use the share dealing exploit (above) to generate mass funds. Use these to perform land reconstruction." 18:48:43 <jonty-comp> although, I suppose the other person is already cheating 18:48:45 <jonty-comp> but still 18:49:14 <Jonis> haha 18:50:04 <Terkhen> :D 18:52:22 <Jonis> Even when I have but in the number of cities I still only get on large city with like 2000 in population 18:53:54 <Rubidium> jonty-comp: luckily the sharing trick doesn't work on like 99% of the servers 18:53:54 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:07 <jonty-comp> Rubidium: not anymore, at least 18:54:45 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:55:05 <Rubidium> but the document illustrates *why* an active admin is needed 18:56:06 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:58:40 <Jonis> How close to the edge can I build a city? 19:00:12 <Zuu> Jonis: Perhaps try it out in the scenario editor? 19:02:11 <Jonis> Just did that :D 19:02:58 <Jonis> Discovered a funny thing, I couldnt start build the city to close to the edge but once I had placed it I could expand it to the last tile on the map. 19:05:41 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:16:12 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:24:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:25:32 <Zuu> That is probably because the location of a town is the tile with the town name sign on it. 19:26:13 <Zuu> That is always concidered the center of the town, regardless of where the houses and roads are. 19:27:36 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-228-171.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:34 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:57 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-134-93.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 19:41:43 <fonsinchen> In all known implementations of the standard C++ library multimaps have a deterministic ordering among entries with equal keys. Unfortunately this is not required by the standard. However, it will be required by C++0x. I think I'll just continue relying on that behaviour for cargodist's optimization of cargo loading. The question remains how to load/save (multi)maps in general. My current implementation is an ugly hack ... 19:48:07 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-134-93.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:46 <Alberth> a desync in the making... 19:51:21 <fonsinchen> I don't think they'll create any more standard C++ libraries before C++0x 19:51:37 <R0b0t1> C++0x? 19:51:38 <R0b0t1> Oh yeah 19:51:47 <R0b0t1> Anything new on that yet? 19:51:53 <fonsinchen> and all current multimaps are based on red-black trees which have that properties. 19:52:11 <Noldo> R0b0t1: well it will be C++1x 19:52:12 <Rubidium> well, when will all compilers that we allow OpenTTD to be compiled with follow C++0x? 19:52:24 <fonsinchen> that's not the problem 19:52:37 <Rubidium> Noldo: nah, it'll probably becomes C++0F or so 19:52:45 <Rubidium> or... even worse 19:52:53 <Rubidium> @base 36 10 x 19:52:53 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 33 19:52:53 <fonsinchen> in fact all known implementations behave just the way I need them to. It's just not in the standard. 19:53:04 <fonsinchen> (yet) 19:53:13 <Rubidium> it comes in 2033 ;) 19:53:23 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-168-49.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 19:53:46 <Rubidium> still "known" is quite fuzzy 19:54:21 <fonsinchen> some people proposing that for C++0x examined that. 19:55:15 <fonsinchen> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/lwg-defects.html#371 19:56:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:27 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: what in that says that all known implementations behave like the proposal? 20:02:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:03:50 <fonsinchen> well, yes you are right. He only says "seems". But then there is this survey http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2005/n1780.html 20:04:44 <Jonis> What are you discussing? 20:05:18 <fonsinchen> Stability of equal ranges in multimaps across different implementations of the C++ standard library 20:05:26 <Rubidium> "A brief survey of current library implementations reveals differing behavior" (n1780.html) 20:05:59 <Jonis> Ok 20:06:20 <Jonis> I don't understand too much of it. :P 20:09:33 <Rubidium> Jonis: don't worry, you're in the majority 'group' 20:10:37 <fonsinchen> That's only with the hint though. The later survey of insertion without hint shows they all behave the same. 20:11:22 <fonsinchen> And I don't have to use hints. 20:13:47 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.242.254] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 20:14:49 <Jonis> Good, then I can go to sleep tonight knowing that I'm not totally stupid 20:16:17 * Rubidium wonders what STL implementation MSVC uses 20:16:47 <Rubidium> it at least isn't STLport or gcc 20:20:40 <Rubidium> neither Dinkumware 20:22:10 <fonsinchen> I'll compile and test this example with MSVC now. Place your bets, please. 20:22:16 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.248.225] has joined #openttd 20:22:45 <fonsinchen> shit, no licence 20:22:48 <fonsinchen> :( 20:22:49 <Rubidium> well, it's more about the: "all known implementations" when MSVC's implementation has been left out 20:23:05 *** `Fuco`` is now known as Fuco 20:23:55 <Rubidium> whether it works in MSVC or not, "all known implementations" has been proven to be not the truth 20:24:27 <fonsinchen> Maybe I should roll my own multimap. 20:25:11 <Rubidium> well, I don't know what's best 20:25:34 <fonsinchen> I could make that a map<StationID, list<CargoPacket *> > 20:26:00 <fonsinchen> but that would immensely complicate the code. I don't think it's worth it. 20:28:20 <Rubidium> maps can't be directly stored either, so for savegame purposes it doesn't matter 20:31:54 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17515 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: -Fix [FS#3189]: [Squirrel] In some cases the call stack would not be cleaned up properly during crash handling. Occasionally this causes asserts to be triggered or crashes. 20:33:17 <Jonis> If I have one station near the sea and one up on the mountain but it's just a straight line between them. When should I start the slope? As early as possible or as late as possible? 20:35:05 <frosch123> try to make it smooth, don't terraform much, build tunnels and bridges instead :) 20:35:53 <frosch123> better build less straight than taking 3 slopes at once 20:37:59 <Jonis> But its a big height different, need slopes. But don't know if I'm going to build it late so the train can accalerate before it or take it at the start. 20:41:22 <Zuu> Jonis: Make a test build two tracks side by side where you have the slop early on one and the other have the slope later. That is the wonder of having a simulation environment. 20:42:08 <Jonis> True true 20:44:24 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17516 /branches/0.7/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 20:44:24 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 20:44:24 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Road vehicles could get lost when the prelimiary destination (for the pathfinder heuristics) is unreachable [FS#3188] (r17491) 20:44:24 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Silence compile warning that is only triggered when you are using a broken iconv (r17479) 20:44:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: In some cases compilation failed because the search path for ICU was not added to the ldflags (r17476, r17474) 20:44:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Document: Compiler warning when compiled without asserts in GCC 4.4+ is not our fault but a GCC bug. Includes a reference to the appropriate GCC bug report (r17461) 20:49:16 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@13.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 20:50:32 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb0f6.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:41 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-84-199.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:39 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@13.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 20:59:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17517 /branches/0.7/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 20:59:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 20:59:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Squirrel] In some cases the call stack would not be cleaned up properly during crash handling. Occasionally this causes asserts to be triggered or crashes [FS#3189] (r17515) 20:59:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: When loading GRFConfigs from ini file, validate them wrt. duplicate GRF IDs [FS#3197] (r17510) 20:59:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: When building a part fails during cloning, sell what was already cloned instead of leaving it "for free". Also make cloning multiheaded trains possible with with "max - 1" vehicles existing [FS#3196] (r17509) 20:59:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: The wrong value was restored to SetAllowDoCommand possible resulting in an AI that was not allowed to do any actions (r17500) 21:01:33 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:25 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? 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