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00:02:48 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@31.155.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:14 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-98-250-52-144.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:22 <Terkhen> good night 00:07:29 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@249.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 00:07:43 *** _Andel_ [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:24 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:21 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:16:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:d7b9:1:e455:c4a0:37bd:9966] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:16:36 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:27 *** _Andel_ [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 00:21:09 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-43-183.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:21:15 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 00:24:01 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:13 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 00:32:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:58 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-98-250-52-144.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:50 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:43:08 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:43:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.170.238] has quit [Quit: ????] 00:43:17 *** _inf3ct [~devil@200.65.129.1] has joined #openttd 00:43:18 *** _inf3ct [~devil@200.65.129.1] has quit [autokilled: This host may be infected. 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BOPM (2010-01-13 00:43:17)] 00:51:03 <ss23> lolwut? 00:52:19 <PeterT> yes, that's the answer 00:52:39 <ss23> >.< 00:52:51 <ss23> I thought he got killed on nick, rather than the bopm 00:52:59 <ss23> And I was like o.O Who added that nick ban 01:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause> why would someone with a nick of "_inf3ct" be infected? :p 01:00:40 <ss23> That's what I was thinking 01:00:48 <ss23> Mabe he just thought it would be lulz to use a proxy anyway 01:01:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and what's with the spammer attack today? 01:03:29 *** DaZ [~ident-dwa@dsn199.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 01:05:47 <PeterT> why is #openttd.notice so behind? 01:07:55 *** DaZ_ [~ident-dwa@dsf203.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:07 <Eddi|zuHause> because you broke it. 01:09:59 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:08 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:15 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:20:21 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 01:29:04 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: Your logic is flawed. 01:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd beg to differ, thank you very much. 01:30:27 *** _inf3ct [~devil@121.8.124.42] has joined #openttd 01:30:27 *** _inf3ct [~devil@121.8.124.42] has quit [autokilled: This host may be infected. 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BOPM (2010-01-13 01:30:27)] 01:31:01 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8da67.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause> couldn't someone just g-line everybody who matches *!~devil@*? 01:31:39 <PeterT> Your welcome 01:31:49 <Eddi|zuHause> my welcome indeed 01:31:53 <__ln> whose welcome? 01:32:00 <Eddi|zuHause> your sentence misses a verb, though 01:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and either a subject or an object 01:36:06 <ss23> Hmm 01:36:11 *** ss23 is now known as _inf3ct 01:36:18 *** _inf3ct [~ss23@121-72-164-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 01:36:22 <PeterT> you're missing an object 01:36:31 *** _inf3ct [~ss23@121-72-164-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:56 <_inf3ct> It was just bugging me that it happend to be that nick every time 01:36:58 *** _inf3ct is now known as ss23 01:47:13 <glx> it's not the need, it's the botnet 01:47:43 <glx> s/need/nick 01:52:29 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8126.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:53:02 <Eddi|zuHause> "brln" <-- so much for /whois not giving away the location :p 01:54:04 <Eddi|zuHause> seriously, any geo-ip database can determine the location within a radius of 20km 01:54:33 <fonsinchen> me? 01:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: sorry, just a reference to a previous discussion ;) 01:56:18 <fonsinchen> So there's more people from Berlin here? Interesting ... 01:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that part was indeed about you 01:57:55 <Eddi|zuHause> but earlier some guy was /whois-ing people and mistook the server location as the client location 02:04:35 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04:58 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-154-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:09 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-154-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 02:06:59 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: glx est sur le serveur : venus.oftc.net - Nuernberg, Germany <-- I'm german ;) 02:07:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-103-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:07:40 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: my condolences :p 02:09:09 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.] 02:10:31 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:26 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 02:13:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 02:15:33 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:10 <PeterT> I'm german ;) <-- Really? Is that so? 02:24:21 <PeterT> You make alot of french translations 02:25:00 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:30:43 <PeterT> that's for you, glx 02:31:52 <glx> you totally misunderstood the point :) 02:37:17 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8126.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44:23 *** _inf3ct [~devil@fm-ip-61.247.35.100.fast.net.id] has joined #openttd 02:44:23 *** _inf3ct [~devil@fm-ip-61.247.35.100.fast.net.id] has quit [autokilled: This host may be infected. Mail support@oftc.net with questions. BOPM (2010-01-13 02:44:23)] 02:48:38 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:22 *** _inf3ct [~devil@200.75.92.71] has joined #openttd 03:00:23 *** _inf3ct [~devil@200.75.92.71] has quit [autokilled: This host may be infected. Mail support@oftc.net with questions. 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I guess that's expected when you chose to imitate windows 07:23:38 <Terkhen> I'll try debian next time 07:26:32 <peter1138> arrr, it snew! 07:38:05 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:38:21 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 07:44:46 <sparr> ubuntu is a bit easier for a new user because it has better hardware configuration and inter-program integration out of the box 07:45:06 <sparr> I gave kubuntu a couple of years, and ubuntu about a year, but I'm back to debian now. I can't stand ubuntu's package release cycle. 07:45:57 <sparr> with ubuntu you can have old packages, or broken packages. i find that to be a false dichotomy and reject it. 07:46:25 <peter1138> with debian you just have old packages :D 07:49:30 <Terkhen> that's why I chose ubuntu at first, almost anything else caused trouble with the laptop I had back then... nothing made me think about changing distro until the 9.x releases 07:51:52 <sparr> peter1138: bah 07:52:08 <sparr> debian is pretty close to cutting edge 07:52:25 <sparr> gentoo and arch stay up to a few weeks ahead, but generally more like a few days 07:52:47 <Rubidium> sparr: that heavily depends on the packages 07:53:04 <sparr> Rubidium: weighted in favor of packages that change often 07:53:37 <Rubidium> is once every two months often enough? :) 07:53:49 <sparr> sure. which package? how far behind is debian? 07:54:19 <Rubidium> you say gentoo is ahead, right? 07:54:21 <sparr> every two months is what i would consider a rapid release cycle :) 07:54:40 <Rubidium> I was saying that that just isn't always the case 07:54:45 <sparr> i'd probably say gentoo is the most cutting edge distro, with regard to which and which versions of software are available "packaged" 07:54:52 <Rubidium> e.g. with Debian 07:54:58 <sparr> so, counterexamples? 07:55:02 <Rubidium> uhm... s/Debian/OpenTTD/ 07:55:41 <sparr> what version would you expect? 07:55:48 <peter1138> 07:52 < sparr> debian is pretty close to cutting edge 07:55:48 <sparr> 0.7.5 is the latest release 07:55:53 <peter1138> ah, you must be a sid user 07:56:05 <sparr> it's in squeeze too :-p 07:56:08 <sparr> but of course sid 07:56:22 <Rubidium> sparr: I would expect that Gentoo would've stabilized 0.7.5 by now 07:56:46 <sparr> debian "unstable" is more stable every day than ubuntu's final release candidates the day before they release 07:57:10 <peter1138> s/candidates.*// 07:57:27 <Rubidium> ofcourse... three full weeks since 0.7.5 and the CVE announcement they're still not even done on one architecture 07:57:41 <sparr> no 0.7.5 in gentoo? :( 07:57:44 <sparr> that makes me a little sad 07:58:08 <Rubidium> sparr: only a masked versionr 07:58:53 <Rubidium> though I agree that Debian sid is generally more stable than Ubuntu release and faster than Gentoo 07:58:53 <sparr> but i don't use gentoo for a lot of other reasons 07:59:12 <sparr> debian is the only distro for desktop power users, imho 07:59:34 <peter1138> that's why i run it on all my servers 07:59:58 <sparr> although i would probably choose debian, i could be persuaded to run arch or centos on a server 08:00:12 <sparr> on a desktop... i only gave ubuntu a chance because it really really tried. it's just failed. 08:00:59 <Terkhen> failed how? 08:01:31 <peter1138> centos is bloody horrible on a server 08:01:34 <peter1138> never used arch though 08:03:45 <sparr> Terkhen: to produce a distro superior to the alternatives for the uses they aim for 08:04:07 <Rubidium> only thing I consider bad is that debian-security doesn't want to do security updates for contrib; they have to get in via the next point release of the stable 08:04:25 <sparr> there is once again no situation in which i would recommend ubuntu. even for the complete novice or livecd user there are better options 08:04:55 <Terkhen> what problems you had with ubuntu? 08:05:43 <sparr> like most distros, they abandoned KDE3 for KDE4 far too early. like almost no other debian-based distro, they ignore otherwise valid upgrade paths, and classify bugs related to such as WONTFIX 08:05:49 <Rubidium> their merry choice to go with pulseaudio, but not going with pulseaudio all the way 08:06:15 <sparr> a .deb is broken if it fails to upgrade (or fail gracefully) from any version to any other version. in ubuntu, the only "supported" upgrade path is to upgrade one or two versions of the base OS at a time 08:06:33 <jonty-comp> ubuntu used to support my wifi card, then stopped 08:06:34 <sparr> Rubidium: i think simply "pulseaudio" encompasses that whole issue :) 08:06:37 <sparr> so... 08:06:40 <sparr> pulseaudio :) 08:06:46 <jonty-comp> and their grub changed, so I don't know how to use it anymore 08:06:51 <jonty-comp> well, edit it 08:06:53 <jonty-comp> so debian for me 08:07:01 <jonty-comp> plus I dislike the colour scheme 08:07:02 <Rubidium> see the *countless* bug reports *we* are getting about them not going with pulseaudio all the way 08:07:10 <jonty-comp> and now, off to do a statistics exam, whee 08:07:12 <sparr> ubuntu is rife with package conflicts and inconsistencies. 08:07:51 <Terkhen> okay... I guess after trying debian I'll see what I was missing 08:09:26 <sparr> ubuntu is debian, improved in a few small ways, then broken hard. 08:09:36 <sparr> the worst part of ubuntu is their package release cycle 08:10:17 <sparr> using ubuntu alphas and betas is very dangerous. i'd say i have averaged 3-5 days every six months when i could not use my computer due to broken packages in ubuntu+1 08:10:31 <sparr> NOT using ubuntu alphas and betas means you are stuck with packages 6-9 months old 08:11:08 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:11:14 <Noldo> if 6-9 months is too old you really don't have that many choices available 08:11:16 <Rubidium> sparr: to be fair, Debian SID is at the moment uninstallable if you want the amd/ati-fglrx drivers 08:12:44 <sparr> Rubidium: that may be so. I haven't been naive enough to buy an ATI video card for a linux box in at least 8 years. 08:14:01 <Terkhen> when I started with linux, I had an ATI video card... my last one 08:15:35 <Rubidium> although... the question is what other choices are there? Had an Intel GPU but that was lagging during video playback, never ever liked nvidia. 08:15:59 *** Shlima [opera@93.85.80.225] has left #openttd [] 08:16:11 <sparr> I've had good experiences with nVidia, SiS, and ColorGraphic cards 08:16:13 <Rubidium> and ATI's driver has been working quite fine (if you don't switch to console and back again) 08:16:14 *** Shlima [opera@93.85.80.225] has joined #openttd 08:16:20 <sparr> the latter when I needed 4 and 16 head display outputs 08:16:47 <Rubidium> also choices are quite limited when you're looking for a laptop with 1920x1200 @ 15" 08:16:58 <sparr> i concur 08:17:12 <sparr> [un]fortunately, my eyesight is not good enough to ever shop for such 08:18:59 <Rubidium> nevertheless the new version of the free radeonhd driver looks promising, but then I need to upgrade xorg which means there's no easy way back 08:19:23 <Rubidium> as the fglrx driver doesn't work for the new xorg yet 08:20:11 <Rubidium> anyhow, if 2D acceleration works fine and the powermanagement reasonably... bye bye fglrx :) 08:22:09 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: gridlines...can you see them? http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=everything 08:24:58 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 08:25:00 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:54:38 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 08:59:41 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:00:34 *** Shlima [opera@93.85.80.225] has left #openttd [] 09:01:24 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 09:01:40 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 09:02:22 * peter1138 ponders merging all his .c/.h files into one 09:05:48 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-196-184.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:08:00 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-38-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:08:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:12:34 *** murr5y [~murray@11.84-49-64.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 09:14:23 *** murr4y [~murray@11.84-49-64.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15:55 <peter1138> presumably better for optimization 09:16:15 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8126.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:18:24 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:32 <Terkhen> how should I document pure virtual functions? at the virtual declaration, at the real implementation or both? 09:22:11 *** Shlima [opera@93.85.80.225] has joined #openttd 09:24:44 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 09:25:31 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: we really need more information on how to reproduce that AI but there is no AI (multiplayer?) crash. I've tried several things and none seem to trigger it. 09:31:44 <fonsinchen> Well, I don't have much info about it either. I only have the crash reports from xZise in the cargodist thread. They show the same backtrace as the one you have there. As there is a crash.png in the reports and xZise says he was playing on a dedicated server, it has been suggested that these are client-side crashes. Also by opening the crash dump it occured to me that for some company c->is_ai was true and c->ai_instance was null which c 09:32:35 <fonsinchen> I also told xZise to add some info to the FS task. Maybe he'll do. 09:38:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:d7b9:1:98ed:eeac:c742:19a2] has joined #openttd 09:41:06 <Terkhen> peter1138: regarding r18766, DrawRailEnginePurchaseInfo at build_vehicle_gui.cpp and GetTrainEngineInfoString at engine_gui.cpp are still using the old method 09:41:07 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: your first line is truncated after 'was null which c' 09:41:42 <fonsinchen> which causes the crash 09:42:09 *** bjelleklang [~bm@77.94.232.49] has joined #openttd 09:45:21 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:46:49 <Rubidium> valgrind doesn't find anything useful either... this is going to be a big mistery I fear 09:48:03 <fonsinchen> Maybe we can find out where is_ai is set to true and double check that ai_instance is not null there. 09:50:03 <fonsinchen> I see three places: in the constructor of Company, in LoadOldCompany and in the saveload-Handler 09:50:36 <fonsinchen> Probably only the Constructor can be the cause of this crash. 09:52:52 <fonsinchen> ai_instance is written in Ai::StartNew and Ai::Stop 09:53:09 <Terkhen> DrawWidget at vehicle_gui.cpp also uses the old method of determining if a train uses maglev acceleration... I'll create a flyspray task 09:53:30 <fonsinchen> So there must be some situation where the Company constructor is called with true, but no AI is created ... 09:57:04 <fonsinchen> if (is_ai && (!_networking || _network_server)) AI::StartNew(c->index); 09:57:12 <fonsinchen> So it won't start on the client, right? 09:57:30 <fonsinchen> This is from company_cmd.cpp:497 09:59:19 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: at company_cmd.cpp:472 a company is created, possibly with is_ai == true. In line 497 the AI used for that company is created, but not on network clients. 09:59:52 <peter1138> Terkhen, create a patch ; 10:00:27 <Terkhen> done, I'm currently testing if I messed up something :) 10:00:37 <Terkhen> I'll upload it after testing 10:10:33 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:12:25 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-38-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:27 <Terkhen> done: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3526 10:20:50 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: okay, that creates a company without instance set, but *only* when a client right? 10:21:37 <Rubidium> because AI::GameLoop bails out if "networking && (!server || !ai-in-mp)" 10:22:08 <Rubidium> so locally ai-in-mp must be enabled, which is easy to prove it can happen 10:22:31 <Rubidium> and it must be a network server, which is quite unlikely 10:22:42 <Rubidium> or it must not be a network game 10:24:01 <Rubidium> unless... 10:24:23 <Rubidium> you're kicked out of a network game but keep playing the game you were playing 10:30:09 <Rubidium> but as far as I can remember there is no code path for leaving the server and continueing to play 10:33:14 <Rubidium> although... maybe it is triggerable under Windows because of the different video backend and possibly different timings, but I seriously doubt that 10:37:13 *** ss23 [~ss23@121-72-164-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:05 *** ss23 [~ss23@121-72-164-207.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:12 <fonsinchen> I'll have a second look at it later 10:58:59 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 11:06:18 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:54 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:11:25 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.83.21] has joined #openttd 11:23:08 *** resq [~resq@chello087207166019.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 11:24:33 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-230-124.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:24:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:26:45 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-232-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:09 *** fjb is now known as Guest1951 11:38:09 *** Guest1951 [~frank@p5485E484.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E484.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:58 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:31 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-132-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:19 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:41:38 *** resq [~resq@chello087207166019.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:41:45 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-230-124.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 11:57:46 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm103.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:03:38 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 12:06:18 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cf1c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.170.238] has joined #openttd 12:10:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:38 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-230-124.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:17:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:20:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:24:57 <Eddi|zuHause> [13.01.2010 09:23] <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: gridlines...can you see them? http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=everything <--- i can't see any gridlines 12:25:55 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause ok, either (i) they're too light, (ii) you have a crazy monitor setting or (iii) your browser has cached the images 12:28:55 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: seems to be a cache thingy... 12:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the grid looks offset by a few pixels... 12:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: like at the south corner of the bakery, it doesn't seem properly aligned 12:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> looks like this for most of the south corners 12:39:46 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: must be a perceptual thing with the pixels of the ground tile. it is on the gridline correctly 12:39:52 <andythenorth> the grid isn't quite drawn as might be expected, as I want 1px lines. So the NW / SW edges sit over the gridline, the NE/SE edges site next to the gridline. 12:39:56 <andythenorth> (gridlines in game are 2px wide) 12:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but it doesn't look nice... 12:43:58 *** Shlima [opera@93.85.80.225] has left #openttd [] 12:44:28 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-66-180.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:45:18 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:38 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 12:46:55 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-230-124.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:54 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D98FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:32 <Nite_Owl> Sidewinder x8 or MX1100 ?? (no one is awake in the other channel) 12:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause> is that a chainsaw? 12:49:56 <Eddi|zuHause> or a motor cycle? 12:49:56 <ss23> Eddi|zuHause: mice >.< 12:50:24 <ss23> Special breeds 12:52:01 <Nite_Owl> Okay then - what is your preferred mouse 12:53:26 <thingwath> I had a hamster. 12:54:01 <ss23> Nite_Owl: Just any field mouse is fine for me 12:54:46 <Noldo> har har 12:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i prefer guinea pigs 12:55:36 <Eddi|zuHause> they're slightly larger and fit my hand better 12:59:59 <wysiwtf> how do i enable gridlines? 13:01:00 <wysiwtf> and which GRFs would you suggest if one doesnt really care for realistic vehicles/trains but just wants a fun and enhanced gameplay without messing up too much gamebalance? 13:01:09 <Noldo> I'm in the understanding that it is a feature in the ground tile graphics 13:03:28 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the bakery now has a 2px grid. Any better? http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=basic 13:03:42 <andythenorth> (probably be cached again) 13:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: what if you just move the old grid one pixel to the left? 13:06:35 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: offset grid...might work: http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industry_objects/bakery 13:07:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:25a7:5c00:95f4:c605] has joined #openttd 13:07:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that looks better 13:08:47 <andythenorth> ok, I'll re-export them all with that <sigh> 13:08:54 <andythenorth> colour of the lines work for you? 13:09:03 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has joined #openttd 13:09:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's fine 13:13:06 <andythenorth> :) 13:19:51 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-66-180.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:02 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-121-26.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:38:10 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 14:17:54 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiw82.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:03:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18794 /trunk/src/crashlog.cpp: -Codechange: add local company and network 'state' to the crash log 15:21:24 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:d7b9:1:98ed:eeac:c742:19a2] has joined #openttd 15:21:24 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:d7b9:1:98ed:eeac:c742:19a2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:24 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 15:29:19 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:00 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:45:29 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:55:42 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:02 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:02:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:04:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 16:13:59 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.83.21] has left #openttd [] 16:22:08 *** bjelleklang [~bm@77.94.232.49] has quit [Quit: Back in a few hours] 16:28:03 <Ammler> he, people can't differ between Multiplayer and NoAI-AIs :-) 16:29:19 * Rubidium wonders what Ammler is thinking about 16:29:24 <Rubidium> hope it isn't FS#3445 16:29:52 <dihedral> @fs 3445 16:29:52 <DorpsGek> dihedral: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3445 16:30:14 <dihedral> yeah ... "It works!" 16:31:01 <Ammler> Rubidium: the Intro save game competition thread. 16:32:10 <Ammler> someone used AIs and Alberth complained about, now they think, Multiplayer isn't allowed for the save 16:32:39 * dihedral hands Ammler an "it" 16:32:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:33:10 <Ammler> thanks :-) 16:33:21 <dihedral> you always forget that one!! 16:33:49 <Ammler> true :'-( 16:35:39 <Ammler> isn't it possible to remove a AI without deleting the company? 16:41:18 <Rubidium> not with a default client IIRC 16:45:00 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-251-168.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:37 <Timmaexx> G'evening 16:50:45 <glx> Rubidium: he just needs to set number of oppenents to 0 and find a way to crash the AIs ;) 16:51:49 <Yexo> glx: no,then the AI would restart when you load the savegame again 16:52:05 <glx> that's the first step :) 16:53:19 <glx> anyway if the AI then always crash on start it's ok 16:53:34 <glx> but not clean ;) 16:56:29 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-251-168.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:45 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:08:51 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 17:19:45 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-154-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:19 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-154-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:30:36 <Belugas> hello 17:34:29 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:38:34 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:38:51 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:39:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fee5f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:51 <Terkhen> hi Belugas 17:42:46 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:55 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm103.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53:47 *** Maarten_ [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:56:24 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 18:01:30 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-154-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:56 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-154-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:14:33 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:02 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:33 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host123-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:39:47 <Wolf01> hello 18:40:48 *** kasuga [~osaka@62.106.106.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18795 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt portuguese.txt spanish.txt): 18:45:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 190 changes by Hirundo 18:45:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: portuguese - 2 changes by JayCity 18:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 18:55:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8126.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:12 *** kasuga [~osaka@188.122.224.227] has joined #openttd 18:59:10 *** duharmail [jonas@78.72.137.38] has joined #openttd 19:00:02 <duharmail> I am looking for some Swedes to play with 19:02:36 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 19:14:35 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:14:46 <Belugas> racist 19:18:44 *** phalax [~liveuser@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 19:18:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-220-254.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:20:19 <sparr> so hard to go back to 0.7.5 after getting used to 0.8.0-svn and 1.0.0-beta 19:21:17 <Rubidium> really? All those people that claim that there're not much new features in 1.0.0/trunk over 0.7 19:21:21 <Ammler> sparr go farer, something like 0.4.5 then ;-) 19:22:17 <Rubidium> well... a few weeks ago frosch and I played a network game... but nobody else joined 19:22:28 <Rubidium> we were quite sad nobody wanted to join the nice 0.3.5 server :) 19:22:45 <planetmaker> haha :-) 19:23:30 <sparr> Rubidium: well, not having opengfx is one big change, but the one that keeps getting me is all the missing global keyboard shortcuts 19:23:59 <sparr> Rubidium: like, 0.7.5 only accepts terraforming keys when the tf bar is open, but all newer versions accept them from anywhere 19:24:00 <Rubidium> opengfx works in 0.7.5 too (opensfx doesn't though) 19:24:08 <sparr> it WORKS 19:24:20 <sparr> but it's not 100% 19:24:30 <sparr> openSFX too 19:24:38 <sparr> i had to go find the old GRFs before i could run 0.7.5 19:24:44 <sparr> GRF/CATs 19:24:44 <Rubidium> opensfx does not work in 0.7.5 19:24:55 <sparr> "too" as in it's a problem too :) 19:27:19 <sparr> it took me like 20 minutes to "acquire" a copy of sample.cat 19:28:54 <frosch123> "few weeks ago" :p 19:30:16 <frosch123> but, yeah, the "my first internet game was with 0.3.5" was definitely worth playing for :p 19:31:23 <Rubidium> year, time is relative :) 19:33:17 <peter1138> i think mine was... 19:40:27 <andythenorth> hi hi 19:42:14 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-170-45.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:08 <PeterT> @seen fonsinchen 19:46:08 <DorpsGek> PeterT: fonsinchen was last seen in #openttd 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <fonsinchen> I'll have a second look at it later 19:47:07 * andythenorth shouldn't be annoyed by forums users but is. 19:47:15 * Forked didn't do it 19:48:01 <andythenorth> hi hi 19:48:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:20 <Belugas> andythenorth, you'll eventually get used to it... 19:48:34 <Belugas> some are good, some are... 19:48:37 <Belugas> hurgh 19:49:04 <andythenorth> some are even right, but so fricking annoying I want to argue with them....even when they're right 19:53:56 *** phalax [~liveuser@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:51 <peter1138> hell hyeha 20:03:59 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:04:33 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I know that feeling, too ;-) 20:04:43 <planetmaker> not a good one, though :S 20:05:25 <Belugas> what blew me up, is that guy who though that nightlies never work :[ 20:05:39 <planetmaker> hehe. 20:06:08 <planetmaker> I read that and thought something like "let others put this guys head straight. Even if not: not our loss" 20:06:46 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:46 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2011 20:06:46 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:07:00 <Yexo> that guy didn't annoy me much, he just didn't know better 20:10:54 * frosch123 was again lucky and missed that post :p 20:11:13 <planetmaker> :-) sure he didn't (doesn't?) know better. 20:12:15 <Yexo> I find djlazy much more annoying 20:14:09 *** Guest2011 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:13 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net] 20:15:50 <Belugas> mmh...nice quote... 20:16:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:19:36 * andythenorth ponders learning C++ 20:19:37 <Eddi|zuHause> <sparr> it took me like 20 minutes to "acquire" a copy of sample.cat <- it takes me 5 seconds to open a console and type "touch sample.cat" 20:19:59 <planetmaker> Yexo, djlazy? 20:20:20 <Yexo> yes, that guy that cannot spell nor read 20:21:51 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@31.155.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:06 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:22:08 <andythenorth> most programming languages suck. does C++ suck? 20:22:17 <SpComb> andythenorth: of course 20:22:23 <SpComb> andythenorth: and some programming languages suck more than others 20:22:42 <SpComb> depending on who you ask, of course 20:22:45 <andythenorth> as a thing to work with nfo is quite pleasing. Does C++ suck a lot more than nfo? 20:23:01 <Belugas> some less. but they all sucks dependeing of yuor degree of ignorance on it 20:23:05 <Alberth> less, you can use letters! 20:23:18 <SpComb> NFO is more comparable to ASM 20:23:27 <Belugas> waht i mean, the more you are good in one, the more you like it 20:23:38 <SmatZ> hehe 20:23:54 <andythenorth> Belugas: I (was) bloody good at Actionscript, and I hate it 20:23:58 <Alberth> hmm, that must be why I don't like Eclipse :p 20:24:00 <andythenorth> I'm crap at python, but I love it 20:24:07 <fjb> C++ has a crude syntax, lacks garbage collection and design by contract. Else it is quite ok. 20:24:09 <SmatZ> "the more you are force to use it, the more you hate it" can be true too 20:24:11 <frosch123> and the less you know, the more you believe they are the best and suited for everything 20:24:12 <SmatZ> *forced 20:24:21 <SmatZ> hehe 20:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: C++ "sucks" in the way that it has many pitfalls for people who don't know exactly what they're doing 20:24:26 <SpComb> fjb: it has a looooong list of faults 20:24:32 <Rubidium> fjb: and java sucks because it has garbage collection, right? 20:24:55 <SmatZ> :-) 20:24:58 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that's the main thing that puts me off trying to hack anything on OpenTTD 20:25:04 <Alberth> Rubidium: lack of pointers, imho :p 20:25:05 <fjb> Rubidium: Java sucks because it lacks multiple inheritance and design by contact. 20:25:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: don't let that put you off, but get advise from people more experienced than you when you're done 20:25:57 <Rubidium> Alberth: so you're a C# fanboy :) 20:26:09 <Rubidium> that does have pointers... kindof 20:26:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but in a way that you shouldn't ever use for a sane program? 20:26:43 <fjb> And Java has Objects and other types. You have to put an integer into an integer object to do object oriented things with it. :-( 20:26:51 <Alberth> Rubidium: wrong manufacturer, but LINQ seems kind of cool. 20:26:54 <SpComb> andythenorth: even better, OpenTTD is still largely C 20:27:12 <Rubidium> SpComb: yeah, C compiled with C++ :) 20:30:27 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-170-45.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:20 <Terkhen> I love C++, probably because it's the language I have used most frequently 20:32:38 <andythenorth> hmm...so the OpenTTD src mostly makes sense if I just pick a file and try and read it....but I can't picture how the whole thing hangs together 20:33:03 <frosch123> start with something you know :) 20:33:14 <andythenorth> ummm...python? pixels? 20:34:01 <frosch123> well, no idea what hacking you want to do :) do you want to become the osx maintainer? 20:34:05 <Terkhen> but when you think that you understand a part of OpenTTD code, something strange appears that shatters your understanding :P 20:34:23 <Yexo> you don't have to understand all of the code to work with it 20:34:30 <andythenorth> frosch123: no, I don't want to maintain the OS X port. Sad to say. 20:34:55 <frosch123> Terkhen: as nfo coder andy is used to that :p 20:35:10 <Terkhen> Yexo: that's why I'm able to make patches :) 20:35:13 <Rubidium> speaking of the OS X port... that's Bjarni's turf... so your understanding is probably better than Bjarni's 20:35:36 <andythenorth> my understanding of OS X internals is 0% 20:36:30 <andythenorth> I feel bad saying that, if there hadn't been a fully-working Mac OpenTTD I would never have bothered playing it 20:37:02 <andythenorth> but now I can either compile myself, or use Crossover / Wine 20:38:29 <peter1138> http://englishrussia.com/?p=5750#more-5750 20:38:32 <peter1138> NSFW! 20:42:32 <andythenorth> frosch123: I am looking for newgrf industry code in openttd src. Not so much to hack on something, but to understand it... 20:42:54 <andythenorth> newgrf_industries_h seems pretty sparse 20:43:35 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:44:53 <Yexo> andythenorth: try newgrf.cpp and newgrf_industries.cpp 20:45:05 <Yexo> and industry_cmd.cpp has a lot of code too 20:45:06 *** duharmail [jonas@78.72.137.38] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:45:08 *** duharmail [jonas@78.72.137.38] has joined #openttd 20:45:10 <frosch123> and newgrf_industrytiles :) 20:45:14 *** duharmail [jonas@78.72.137.38] has quit [] 20:45:19 <frosch123> start with grepping for "Variable" :p 20:45:38 <andythenorth> thanks 20:46:03 <frosch123> or look into newgrf_callback.h, for stuff to grep for 20:47:52 <Alberth> andythenorth: for 'the bigger picture', I often follow function calls, jumping from one file to another, and reading small parts of it. 20:48:14 <andythenorth> ok, thanks 20:48:28 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-121-26.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:36 <frosch123> so, get an editor with ctags support :p 20:48:39 <andythenorth> have any of you ever coded Flash? 20:48:52 <frosch123> no 20:49:16 <Yexo> not really 20:49:26 <andythenorth> ...used to leave code everywhere. include files, timeline code, code on objects, code on object timelines... 20:49:28 <andythenorth> madness 20:49:36 <andythenorth> but strangely intuitive 20:49:57 <Alberth> until it became too large? 20:50:09 <Terkhen> sounds like NFO 20:50:48 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-61-91.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:50:49 <Alberth> 'intuitive' would not be my description of NFO :p 20:51:08 <Terkhen> no, but it becomes strangely intuitive after a while 20:51:50 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 20:51:58 <planetmaker> it has a kinda funny learning curve 20:52:23 <planetmaker> it's all gibberish until you stared long enough at it. Then it suddenly starts to make sense not only in parts 20:52:43 <planetmaker> assuming that it's at least somewhat documented nfo and not de-compiled one. That's harder 20:53:01 <andythenorth> coded this in flash many years ago (turn your sound down first) 20:53:01 <andythenorth> http://www.miniclip-games.net/games/3108.html 20:53:12 <Terkhen> I did not know about ctags O_O 20:53:31 <Terkhen> not for gedit and notepad++, at least 20:53:44 <Alberth> planetmaker: like vi :p 20:53:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:08 <planetmaker> Alberth, yes, kinda :-) 20:54:19 <andythenorth> first one to find the conceptual flaw in that flash game wins....err the game really easily :) 20:54:29 <planetmaker> Once gotten the hang of it, there's no easier "quickly edit these few lines" editor 20:55:29 <Alberth> perhaps emacs, but since vi and emacs are mutually exclusive... :) 20:55:42 <dihedral> http://www.break.com/the-big-game/bud-light-rock-paper-scissors.html 20:55:45 <dihedral> :-D 20:57:11 <dihedral> does anybody know something of TrueBrain? 20:57:37 <Rubidium> is that a retorical question or not? 20:57:52 <dihedral> was not suppose to be 20:58:28 <Rubidium> in that case... I know his real name 20:58:35 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of information should we have? 20:58:37 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:47 <dihedral> well - not seen him in a while 20:59:00 *** Yexo is now known as Guest2017 20:59:01 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 20:59:04 <Terkhen> andythenorth: it reminds me of tsuro 20:59:06 <dihedral> i am not used to not seing him on irc for a longer period of time 20:59:20 <Alberth> visit #opendune 20:59:22 <Yexo> try #opendune 20:59:40 <dihedral> try /whois TrueBrain 20:59:45 <andythenorth> Terkhen: try using the bomb to build a loop track....endless points :) 20:59:46 <Rubidium> maybe because I possibly killed his bouncer 21:00:00 <dihedral> ah :-) 21:00:18 <Rubidium> but then... I killed way more at that moment 21:02:35 <dihedral> looks like someone likes killing stuff 21:02:36 <dihedral> :P 21:03:40 <Rubidium> nah, only as final solution 21:04:55 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:00 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:1c6e:1:98ed:eeac:c742:19a2] has joined #openttd 21:05:24 *** Guest2017 [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:42 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-170-45.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:58 <peter1138> # it's the final solution, da na na naaaa 21:08:34 <Terkhen> andythenorth: and after pausing in a curve, some parts of the train start moving in the opposite direction :P looks nice anyways, I'll bookmark it to play later 21:09:34 <andythenorth> I made email friends with phil steinmeyer (creator of railroad tycoon 2 and 3) due to that game :) 21:11:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:d7b9:1:98ed:eeac:c742:19a2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:59 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 21:12:16 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:48 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 21:12:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 21:14:57 <dihedral> like i said, you seem to like killing stuff :-P 21:15:08 <Terkhen> you didn't had problems using the name of his game then :P 21:15:30 <andythenorth> Terkhen: it was marketing for RT3, they paid for it :) 21:15:57 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:17:47 <Terkhen> even better 21:20:00 * andythenorth wonders if reading src is actually easier than the newgrf wiki 21:20:24 <planetmaker> andythenorth, not really :-) 21:20:27 <planetmaker> but it depends 21:20:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:02 *** Sp4rk [~Sp4rk@pool-71-240-206-183.alt.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:19 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:27 <Sp4rk> Hello can someone help me with a question about open ttd? 21:22:39 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@251.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:22:53 <PeterT> Sp4rk: You need to ask the question first. 21:23:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:34 <Sp4rk> The messages or "news" that slides up at the bottom of the screen while playing. Is there a way to disable them? They're a bit distracting. 21:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Sp4rk: yes, click and hold the newspaper icon at the top 21:24:14 <PeterT> Newspaper -> Message settings 21:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause> there you can select the message options 21:24:36 <Sp4rk> Thank you so much! 21:24:43 <Sp4rk> (both of you lol) 21:24:58 <Sp4rk> :) 21:25:01 <Sp4rk> bye now 21:25:11 *** Sp4rk [~Sp4rk@pool-71-240-206-183.alt.east.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 21:25:26 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 21:26:35 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:27:44 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:27:49 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@249.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:36 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 21:32:32 <Wolf01> 'night 21:32:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host123-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:32:59 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:35:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18796 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: -Fix [FS#3521]: [SDL] possible deadlock when killing OpenTTD while starting it 21:35:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:13 <andythenorth> frosch123: I am looking at how industry var 68 accesses the layout of other industries... 21:36:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:46 <andythenorth> ...if 'i->selected_layout == layout_filter' is possible, what about 'i->was_cargo_delivered' ? 21:37:06 <andythenorth> (or if anyone else knows...I owe frosch123 a lot of cookies already) 21:37:45 <frosch123> andythenorth: then better add some variable that generally reads some variable of an industry 21:38:04 <frosch123> just imagine the mess of lots of read x of nearby industry matching y criterion 21:38:04 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:38:34 <andythenorth> true, but the simple way....I stand a better chance of hacking for myself maybe? ...to test some industry ideas... 21:42:26 <PeterT> yay, openttd.notice is fixed 21:42:54 <Hirundo> Yexo: thanks for the quick reply 21:44:59 <frosch123> bad luck PeterT, i pondered offering the job to you 21:45:21 *** fjb is now known as Guest2022 21:45:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B5FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:47:33 * andythenorth : extending industry var 68 might be fun, but is perhaps a bit much for 'my first c++ project' :| 21:47:49 <andythenorth> maybe I should go modify a GUI widget or something 21:48:27 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 21:49:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18797 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix (r18781): building wagons didn't add them to a train 21:49:55 <Yexo> andythenorth: modifying var67/var68 is actually pretty easy 21:50:00 <Yexo> depending on what you want of course 21:50:20 <Yexo> but the only funciton you need to modify is GetCountAndDistanceOfClosestInstance in newgrf_industries.cpp 21:50:49 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:51 <andythenorth> Yexo: I want to add arbitrary access to other variables in other industries 21:51:04 <Yexo> ah, that's more difficult 21:51:14 <andythenorth> yes 21:51:31 <andythenorth> but really I only need was_cargo_delivered for my purpose 21:51:46 <andythenorth> the problem is, I can only test it works if the nfo also works :o 21:52:23 <frosch123> hehe, so maybe learn where to place printfs and simliar in the code to help yourself debugging the nfo :) 21:52:30 <planetmaker> but the production callback.... doesn't it provide already information whether cargo was delivered? 21:52:37 <andythenorth> planetmaker: this is for another industry 21:52:44 *** Guest2022 [~frank@p5485E484.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:48 <andythenorth> i.e. somewhere else 21:53:01 <frosch123> planetmaker: andy wants to teleport cargo from survey camp to nearby industries or so :p 21:53:06 <andythenorth> ...you know how some FIRS industries 'need electricity to boost production'... 21:53:07 <planetmaker> oh. Whether nearby industry works? Right. Sorry, missed that 21:53:15 <Yexo> andythenorth: main problem I see is: what industry should be returned? always the closest ofthe given (filtered) type? 21:53:23 <andythenorth> Yexo: yes, closest is fine 21:55:14 <frosch123> well, so you need a variable that takes a industry_type (maybe also grfid) and a industry variable to read. but it gets more difficult if the variable itself needs a paramter or even some register value. (of course you also need to block recursions :p) 21:55:57 <frosch123> and i need to know, why i _always_ miss some "e" in parameter 21:56:28 <andythenorth> frosch123...dunno, what does the wiki say? 21:56:29 <andythenorth> :P 21:57:10 <andythenorth> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+i+_always_+miss+some+%22e%22+in+parameter 21:57:48 <andythenorth> oh. google doesn't know! 21:58:08 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:58:30 <andythenorth> hey I broke the game :) my compile failed. I won't be getting ships that are 2x as expensive to run :) 21:59:04 * andythenorth tries again 21:59:52 <Terkhen> andythenorth: are you going to code improved acceleration for ships? :P 22:00:15 <andythenorth> ummm, I think we discussed that.... 22:00:25 <andythenorth> ...but I forget, do ships go faster uphill or downhill? 22:01:07 <Terkhen> I don't remember reaching any conclusions 22:02:14 <andythenorth> Terkhen: supporting ship props 14 and 15 might be interesting 22:02:15 <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Ships 22:02:25 <andythenorth> currently TTDPatch only I think 22:03:19 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiw82.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:00 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz56.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:04:09 <Terkhen> it does not sound complicated 22:04:50 * andythenorth made ships 2x as expensive to run *without the aid of newgrf* :o 22:05:23 * Yexo thinks a lot of people would find it more difficult to do *with the aid of newgrfs* :p 22:05:30 <Phoenix_the_II> btw guys, is libtimidity required for compiling openttd? 22:05:40 <Phoenix_the_II> or what do i miss if it aint installed 22:06:20 <Yexo> midi (so sound/music) I think 22:07:13 <Phoenix_the_II> and running openttd on kubuntu karmic 9.10 will generate 100% cpu all the time + quitting the game is impossible 22:07:18 <Phoenix_the_II> have to kill -9 the game 22:07:42 <planetmaker> I guess that is in the known bugs list 22:07:46 <dihedral> that does not sound like a timidity thing 22:07:47 <Alberth> that problem is discussed in the readme 22:07:56 <Phoenix_the_II> o rly 22:07:57 <Phoenix_the_II> :P 22:08:14 <planetmaker> like "not our bug. Use proper libraries" or alike ;-) 22:08:17 <Phoenix_the_II> which readme? :) 22:08:19 <dihedral> odd - i do not have that issue on ubuntu 9.10 22:08:36 <Phoenix_the_II> there is only a windows and OS2 readme 22:08:42 <frosch123> [23:03] <andythenorth> Terkhen: supporting ship props 14 and 15 might be interesting <- but kind of deprecated with rivers, aren't they? 22:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the readme of your tv remote control, of course 22:08:56 <Alberth> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/readme.txt 22:09:02 <Phoenix_the_II> Eddi|zuHause thanks never knew it had openttd stuff in it 22:09:06 <Phoenix_the_II> ty Alberth 22:09:31 <andythenorth> frosch123: I've never used rivers. I suppose rivers also should have a different speed limit to oceans? 22:09:37 <Terkhen> hmmm... either rivers use the canal variable or a new variable needs to be reserved 22:09:37 <dihedral> i have no idea how readme.txt is considered either a windows or os/2 only readme 22:10:02 <frosch123> Terkhen: or you just add a "water class" variable and do the rest with callback 36 :p 22:10:10 <dihedral> andythenorth, how do you get a speedlimit on water?? 22:10:13 <planetmaker> Terkhen, it would make rather sense to ... ^ 22:10:16 * planetmaker is slow 22:10:21 <frosch123> ais get fooled either way 22:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> water type should be treated the same way as road type and rail type... 22:10:44 <planetmaker> indeed 22:11:01 <frosch123> you mean strict compatibility instead of speed penalties? 22:11:16 <Terkhen> nothing is as simple as it seems at first :) 22:11:16 <planetmaker> nah, the patch to come ;-) 22:11:17 <frosch123> problem is: you can build canal nearly everywhere 22:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i mean provide the same callback structure 22:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause> let the newgrf authors figure out how to restrict stuff on their own ;) 22:12:01 <frosch123> and "sea" does not mean that it is wider than one tile :p 22:12:09 <andythenorth> I am just trying to figure out if ship speed would ever differ by more than a few mph on different water types... 22:12:18 <andythenorth> i.e. is there any gameplay benefit? 22:12:23 <planetmaker> frosch123, despite it could make for an interesting twist with ships 22:12:42 <planetmaker> Making oversea ships and coastal ships a distinct class of their own 22:12:53 <planetmaker> given proper scenarios :-) 22:13:00 <Phoenix_the_II> Alberth just read the readme, my problem isnt discussed in it? 22:13:04 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: possibly one might want to distinguish water tiles that have no shore next to them 22:13:06 <frosch123> andythenorth: well, if you restrict big ships to sea, and small to canal (i.e. both with 10% speed on the other class) :p 22:13:07 <dihedral> why on earth is plane and ship speed measured in mph or kmh and not knots? :-P 22:13:27 <andythenorth> dihedral: because no-one has coded that yet? 22:13:34 <Yexo> Phoenix_the_II: see known-bugs.txt -> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/c5437f3ad28d/known-bugs.txt#l135 22:13:48 <frosch123> dihedral: lies, they are 1/2 kmh or so 22:13:55 <Phoenix_the_II> Yexo bingo! 22:13:56 <Phoenix_the_II> :P 22:14:00 <Phoenix_the_II> using pulse here yea 22:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> myfineshrine wants to do a central europe scenario with "raised" sea level, i.e. only rivers, so you can build a canal tunnel 22:14:25 <dihedral> andythenorth, clever boy - get a yourself a biscuit 22:14:39 <dihedral> Phoenix_the_II, i am using pulse too ;-) 22:14:49 <dihedral> bu i have a bunch of pulse mods installed 22:14:54 <andythenorth> 1 knot = 1.852 km/h 22:14:57 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:15:00 <planetmaker> dihedral, knots is just mph. With a different mile as base ;-) 22:15:05 * andythenorth looks for some code that shows ship display speed 22:15:38 <dihedral> planetmaker, in an env with no windspeed, yeah! 22:15:51 <planetmaker> dihedral, uhm...? everywhere? 22:15:55 <Yexo> andythenorth: try GetDisplaySpeed in ship.h 22:15:59 <planetmaker> knots = sea miles per hour 22:16:07 <Phoenix_the_II> dihedral 22:16:11 <Phoenix_the_II> using pulse on alsa here 22:16:25 <dihedral> interesting! 22:16:28 <planetmaker> s/sea/nautical/ 22:16:32 <frosch123> night 22:16:36 <andythenorth> by frosch123 22:16:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fee5f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:37 <planetmaker> night frosch 22:16:40 <andythenorth> bye /s 22:16:45 <dihedral> installing 9.10 should setup the same base install 22:16:52 <andythenorth> where are speed suffix strings defined? 22:16:59 <planetmaker> translations 22:17:02 <Terkhen> andythenorth: messing with units is more complicated than it seems, check my attempt to display weight with decimals at the improved rv patch 22:17:15 <andythenorth> Terkhen: :o 22:17:50 <Phoenix_the_II> yay 22:18:04 <Phoenix_the_II> libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio+ recompiling fixed it :) 22:18:07 <dihedral> pm: i was thinking of the instrumentation error :-P 22:18:26 <dihedral> i.e. a plane on the ground heading in the wind, not moving at all, wind 10 knts 22:18:35 <dihedral> will show a 'speed' of 10 knts :-P 22:18:36 <planetmaker> dihedral, you can use (and is used) GPS for its determination 22:18:50 <planetmaker> ships != planes :-) 22:18:56 <dihedral> i know :-D 22:19:04 <dihedral> but measured in knts in both cases :-D 22:19:07 <dihedral> well - not always 22:19:08 <planetmaker> indeed 22:19:37 <planetmaker> 2 20 knots indicated air speed :-) - may as well be only 150 knots ground speed 22:19:41 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz56.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:19:42 <dihedral> some older planes used to do (and still do) meters and kmh 22:19:47 <planetmaker> if flying against the equatorial jets 22:20:28 <dihedral> check the thrust gauges of the engines :-D 22:20:33 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:20:37 <dihedral> assuming jets :-) 22:20:41 <planetmaker> :-P 22:20:53 <planetmaker> those jets are wind jets ;-) 22:21:42 <dihedral> or follow the rpm gauge on your prop :-P 22:22:10 <planetmaker> well. All which really matters is indicated air speed and altitude 22:22:28 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetstream <-- I talked about those jets ;-) 22:22:45 <dihedral> LOL 22:22:57 * andythenorth lots of players won't understand knots anyway 22:23:03 <planetmaker> they slow down the plane jets ;-) - independent of their propulsion 22:23:05 <dihedral> check youtube for "jam jar pulse jet" 22:23:29 * andythenorth my ships *seem* like they go faster in mph. knots will make me look bad 9.9 22:23:35 <planetmaker> they actually make for the different travel times from and to the US from here 22:25:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.223.55] has joined #openttd 22:32:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.203.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:34 <Terkhen> I managed to break X Server 10 minutes after finishing Debian installation 22:37:46 <ss23> Nice Terkhen 22:37:46 <ss23> :P 22:38:16 <Terkhen> is there any kind of prize? :) 22:38:53 <Rubidium> no, 10 minutes is quite a lot of time 22:39:11 <Rubidium> I managed to get X server to be broken after installation 22:39:47 <Terkhen> wow, I still have a lot to learn 22:39:48 <Rubidium> okay, I'm talking about potato here 22:45:49 <Terkhen> hmmm... time to start again, I guess 22:48:29 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:54:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:54 <Terkhen> good night 23:01:55 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@251.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:09:05 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:10:14 <fjb> X and hald is a nasty combination. 23:12:53 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 23:20:00 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-232-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:26:27 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:43 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 23:26:54 <PeterT> git-god, oh git-god, are you here? 23:27:01 <PeterT> ashb: that means you 23:27:13 <fjb> Moin Nite_Owl 23:28:16 <Nite_Owl> Hello fjb 23:31:12 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 23:34:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:1c6e:1:98ed:eeac:c742:19a2] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:40:47 <ashb> PeterT: yes? 23:40:54 <PeterT> never mind, it's been 23:40:55 <PeterT> fixed 23:40:57 <ashb> kk 23:41:09 <PeterT> when typing the GIT repo's url manually, it won't checkout properly 23:42:25 <ashb> hmm? 23:44:14 <PeterT> well, it works now 23:44:25 <PeterT> thanks for coming to help anyway 23:46:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75E2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:29 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anybody care to explain what might cause the computer to simply shut off during memtest? 23:51:31 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 23:53:41 <SpComb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_fault 23:54:39 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: electrical shorts, bad CPU, bad motherboard, bad RAM 23:55:11 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: the good news is that behavior is one of the few that can be absolutely guaranteed to be a hardware problem :) 23:55:46 <SpComb> pfft, triggering a triple fault is trivial 23:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: but it says reboot, not turn off