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There is a patchbot here, after all. 03:12:10 <DaleStan> In the other place, patchbot would respond. 03:12:43 <DaleStan> ... as I see you've discovered. 03:13:36 <PeterT> :-) 03:14:18 <PeterT> patchbot only responds to commands in #tycoon, but it will go anywhere you invite it 03:14:34 <PeterT> Night... 03:14:36 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Good night] 03:14:58 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-222-77.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 03:19:00 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:02 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 03:38:03 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 03:55:29 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-222-77.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 04:03:35 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 04:07:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:dc6f:d12:20f2:a9e1] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:12:50 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:46 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-222-77.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 05:03:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:05:59 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-222-77.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 05:06:53 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-222-77.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 05:21:09 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21:22 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 05:44:26 *** roboboy [7248e7b4@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:06:53 *** roboboy [7248e7b4@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:25:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 06:32:56 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has joined #openttd 06:51:25 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:53:31 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 07:07:04 *** roboboy [724a9fc1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:12:28 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:14:00 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.163.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:24:26 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has joined #openttd 07:24:39 <Terkhen> good morning 07:25:24 <Bluelight> Morning.. 07:25:35 <ss23> Night :D 07:26:51 <Bluelight> I won in the game FreeOrion. lol 07:27:01 <Bluelight> The AI's didn't resist my takeover.. 07:27:24 <Bluelight> Guess thats because the game is not finished yet or somethning.. 07:42:24 <Terkhen> IIRC the AI wasn't really a challenge at the original MOO either 07:43:11 <Bluelight> Well I always lost in MoOII 07:43:18 <Bluelight> II=2 07:43:41 <Bluelight> Must have done something wrong, lol 07:44:51 <Bluelight> Command points.. food.. credits.. there is a lot of stuff to keep track of.. 07:45:07 <Bluelight> I always do something wrong, he he.. 07:45:10 <Terkhen> I only meant the original game, MOO2 was more challenging... until you customized your race mix-maxing your favourite strategy 07:45:31 <Bluelight> Ok 07:46:15 <sparr> Stars! was my favorite classic 4X, and it had an awesome play by email (or IRC) community 07:46:27 <Bluelight> But I think MoO2 is better then FreeOrion.. :p 07:46:53 <Bluelight> Stars!? 07:47:37 <Terkhen> I never heard of it 07:48:19 <Bluelight> Ohh... Looks complicated.. 07:49:09 <Bluelight> But the menu and button graphics is ugly.. :p 07:55:37 <Terkhen> it looks quite complex, I like those games 07:55:52 <peter1138> i'm failing to google it :s 07:56:03 <Terkhen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars! 07:56:07 <Terkhen> see you later 07:56:10 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has quit [Quit: ...] 07:57:45 <Bluelight> http://pc.ign.com/objects/015/015220.html 07:59:15 <peter1138> and that link causes chrome to stop working. nice. 07:59:47 <Bluelight> lol 07:59:55 <Bluelight> Use Firefox, not crome.. 08:00:09 <Bluelight> chrome is crap! 08:00:31 <Forked> also Bluelight .. it says "cancelled" 08:01:04 <Bluelight> What says? 08:01:58 * Bluelight is waiting for a reply from Forked with great exitement.. 08:02:30 <Forked> read what it says in your own link 08:02:41 *** roboboy [724a9fc1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:03:56 <Bluelight> May be cancelled, but it'?s still playable I think.. 08:04:13 <Bluelight> Anyone wanna play FreeOrion with me? :p 08:05:26 <sparr> Bluelight: ugly yes... it's like 15 years old. 08:05:46 <sparr> and one of the best multiplayer turn based 4x games ive played 08:05:46 <Bluelight> He he.. 08:06:23 *** roboboy [6e1403f0@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:07:24 <peter1138> odd, freeorion source packages don't appear to be released 08:07:47 <Bluelight> Sure it does.. Check SorceForge.. 08:08:11 <peter1138> add enough i am 08:08:24 <Bluelight> http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeorion/files/ 08:08:43 <Forked> Bluelight: sure you didn't link to a followup game? =p 08:08:46 <Bluelight> I did not understand you.. 08:08:56 <peter1138> er 08:08:58 <peter1138> *oddly enough i am 08:09:31 <Bluelight> Followup? 08:09:50 <Bluelight> I have some really big question marks in my forehead now.. 08:10:06 <Forked> "Stars! Supernova" != "Stars!" :) 08:10:31 <Bluelight> Ok, I don't know.. 08:11:14 <peter1138> http://www.freeorion.org/index.php/Compile#Getting_the_source 08:11:16 <peter1138> i see 08:11:21 <peter1138> that's pretty retarded 08:12:25 <Bluelight> Ahh.. Complicated.. 08:13:29 <Bluelight> Wish I knew enough coding to change the game.. lol 08:21:34 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:30:14 <planetmaker> it's a matter of dedication and will power... 08:47:22 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:50:15 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has joined #openttd 08:53:26 <roboboy> hello 08:53:50 <Bluelight> Hail roboboy.. 08:54:42 <roboboy> im on holiday using mobile internet 08:55:59 <peter1138> it's a matter of "if you never try, you'll never know" 08:58:49 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:12:32 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-76-055.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 09:24:37 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:25:16 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:16 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2829 09:25:16 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 09:27:43 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm111.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:31:40 *** Guest2829 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:40:13 * roboboy shall restart 09:52:09 *** fjb is now known as Guest2831 09:52:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AF41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:25 *** Guest2831 [~frank@p5485BB42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:15:50 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:18:53 *** roboboy [6e1403f0@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:37:19 *** welshdragon_ [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 10:37:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:19 *** welshdragon_ is now known as welshdragon 10:42:51 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d092.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:18 *** roboboy [7248d67b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:53:58 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-201-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:09 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has quit [Quit: ...] 10:59:31 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has quit [Quit: Penda] 11:02:18 <Bluelight> Anyone wanna play with me on my server? 11:03:51 <Bluelight> [No] Bluelight's OpenTTD Server 11:03:59 <Bluelight> 0.7.5 11:04:15 <Tennel> some specials? 11:04:30 <Bluelight> What do you mean? 11:04:41 <Bluelight> No air.. 11:05:01 <Tennel> normal game or something with goals 11:05:16 <Bluelight> No just a game with no goal.. 11:05:29 <Tennel> ok, maybe later 11:05:38 <Bluelight> Cool! :) 11:05:56 <Bluelight> You want goal? 11:06:16 <Tennel> no, it's ok 11:06:23 <Bluelight> :D 11:07:14 <Tennel> i don't like goal games^^ 11:07:25 <Bluelight> Me neither.. 11:07:48 <Bluelight> I just need the perfect game to waste time.. :) 11:08:16 <Tennel> do you speak another language to? 11:12:34 *** heffer_ [~felix@mue-88-130-107-251.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 11:15:19 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has joined #openttd 11:15:29 <Bluelight> What do you mean? 11:15:41 <Bluelight> Norwegian and English.. 11:16:09 <evilNirvana> lemme get 075. 11:16:15 <evilNirvana> then ill join you 11:17:32 <Bluelight> Cool.. I just started.. 11:18:10 <evilNirvana> ffs =/ 11:18:22 <Bluelight> ffs? 11:18:26 <evilNirvana> just because i have 100 11:18:33 <evilNirvana> it wont run 075 =/ 11:19:04 <Rubidium> then you're doing something wrong (tm) 11:19:33 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-76-055.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:31 <evilNirvana> Rubidium: using windows. 11:21:08 <Rubidium> even there you can use both versions at the same time 11:21:16 <Rubidium> you just can't use the installer for both 11:21:21 <evilNirvana> exactly 11:23:35 <Bluelight> Trouble? 11:23:42 <evilNirvana> nah 11:23:53 <evilNirvana> just loading my copy of the data files 11:24:02 <evilNirvana> had to find my usb floppy drive 11:24:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you can share the data files between 1.0.0 and 0.7.5 (except opensfx) 11:26:58 <evilNirvana> i mean the original files 11:27:07 <evilNirvana> i had to get sample.cat 11:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you can create an empty sample.cat 11:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause> (you obviously get no sound that way) 11:28:10 <evilNirvana> i want sound. 11:28:15 <Tennel> http://pf0hl.de/download/ttd.tar.gz <- includes gfx sfx and music 11:28:18 <Bluelight> Unable to join? 11:28:31 <evilNirvana> Tennel: i have a hard copy :P 11:28:42 <evilNirvana> Bluelight: pinged out :() 11:28:44 <Tennel> evilNirvana: ok:) 11:29:24 <Bluelight> Weird.. What is your location.. Server is in Norway 11:29:29 <evilNirvana> Australia 11:29:33 <evilNirvana> :3 11:29:42 <evilNirvana> im in 11:35:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 11:36:30 *** roboboy [7248d67b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Tennel: please do not post such links here!! 11:39:41 <Tennel> Eddi|zuHause: ok, afterwards i noticed 11:47:41 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has joined #openttd 12:06:52 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.170.238] has joined #openttd 12:15:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i should play "we are borg" again in moo2... (cybernetic, telepathic, unification) ;) 12:33:08 <planetmaker> :-) 12:33:18 <planetmaker> the ant or bee strategy isn't bad either 12:33:42 <planetmaker> don't build big but come in numbers > 10^3 12:34:09 <planetmaker> make it creative ants and you're set ;-) 12:36:17 *** stuffcorpse_ [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:37:32 <Eddi|zuHause> who needs creative if you can spy the hell out of everybody? 12:40:26 <Eddi|zuHause> we played moo2 multiplayer a few weeks ago, and as telepathic, i only needed 2 spys per person and i never had science problems again... 12:40:28 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 12:40:52 <Eddi|zuHause> especially when someone else was creative :p 12:42:26 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest2845 12:42:26 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.77] has joined #openttd 12:42:59 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.77] has quit [] 12:48:32 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9C42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:36 *** Guest2845 [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:15 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 12:57:23 <planetmaker> hehe. Indeed also a nice strategy. 13:00:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and with telepathic you don't need troops, saves a hell lot of micromanagement and some command points 13:07:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c47:be8:30a7:2545] has joined #openttd 13:07:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:11:35 <planetmaker> indeed. Maybe I should install it again, too :-) 13:11:49 <planetmaker> Somewhere I still have it. Maybe even twice... dunno anymore ;-) 13:12:23 <planetmaker> but I guess it was MoO I, II and III. But III is shit 13:13:49 <Ammler> freeorion.org :-) 13:15:00 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:58 *** DaZ [~ident-dwa@dsa175.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:17:27 <planetmaker> I know ;-) I started the download when I left home :-P 13:17:34 *** void^ [~unknown@anxi.mine.nu] has joined #openttd 13:21:10 *** DaZ_ [~ident-dwa@dsr174.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:28 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:25:37 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> xenon.oftc.net quits: Wizzleby, a1270 13:26:57 *** Netsplit over, joins: a1270 13:34:45 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:29 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:56 <skidd13> Anyone interested in coding multi-climate canals? 13:41:14 *** Hackykid [~quassel@dyn241-hg.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 13:42:31 <Hirundo> You mean that canal shores change depending on climate? 13:44:47 <Ammler> skidd13: isn't that already possible with Action7? 13:45:05 <Hirundo> Or http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Canals 13:46:03 <skidd13> Ammler: well I have the sprites (just miss the locks) but I don't want to code ;) 13:46:27 <Ammler> ah ok :-) 13:48:10 <Ammler> is it independend on the base set? 13:48:10 *** Hackykid [~quassel@dyn241-hg.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:17 *** Hackykid [~quassel@dyn241-hg.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:08 <skidd13> based on OTTD's sprites 13:49:18 <skidd13> just climate aware 13:49:22 <planetmaker> what are "ottd" sprites? ;-) 13:49:34 <skidd13> the ottd canal sprites 13:49:47 <planetmaker> well... opengfx or default base set? 13:50:02 <planetmaker> s/default/proprietary/ 13:50:18 <Ammler> does it have ground sprites anyway? 13:50:19 <Eddi|zuHause> were the canals part of ttd? 13:50:22 <KenjiE20> canals weren't in TTDLX 13:50:35 <planetmaker> I think they're in openttdd/w.grf 13:50:37 <skidd13> planetmaker: base set 13:50:48 <planetmaker> ... there are TWO base sets ;-) 13:50:58 <Ammler> skidd13: you were absent for too long :-P 13:51:08 <skidd13> Ammler: yeah 13:51:21 <planetmaker> they're useful, if they're opengfx style. 13:51:31 <planetmaker> as opengfx is the default base set by now ;-) 13:51:50 <planetmaker> though... if they're gpl, they could replace the current canals there. 13:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause> not here... 13:51:59 <planetmaker> (if they're not the same even. Dunno) 13:52:10 <skidd13> I dislike opengfx too blurry, but thats personal 13:52:21 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, default doesn't mean everyone uses it ;-) 13:53:27 <Ammler> skidd13: rivers are one of the missing parts for the ttd base set. 13:53:42 <planetmaker> But I cannot code anything which would look ugly with opengfx :-P 13:53:53 <skidd13> Ammler: I know... but ATM to huge work-load 13:54:24 <planetmaker> if they're nice canals... I can include them in opengfx, though :-) 13:54:32 <planetmaker> got the sprites somewhere, skidd13 ? 13:54:35 <Ammler> can't we not just copy&paste the rivers code from opengfx to make that canal grf? 13:54:54 <planetmaker> Ammler, mostly. You'll need to adjust the sprite# 13:55:27 <planetmaker> climate specific canals would be cool :-) 13:55:34 <planetmaker> and a nice addition to the extra part 13:56:58 <peter1138> opengfx rivers are too straight 13:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and the corners are too rectangular 13:57:35 <skidd13> planetmaker: yeah... but to release them I'd like to ask George for his permission of modifying the sprites cause he drew them for openttdd/w.grf 13:57:45 <peter1138> they look like grassy-edged canals 13:58:49 <planetmaker> well. Openttdd/w is GPL. 13:58:57 <planetmaker> so no permission needed 13:59:34 <skidd13> I know but asking is the kind way ;) 14:00:15 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has joined #openttd 14:03:55 <Ammler> skidd13: not always, asking someone twice for the same can also be annoying... specially because he can't say "no". 14:03:55 *** |Terkhen| [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has joined #openttd 14:04:18 <planetmaker> that's actually what licenses are for ;-) 14:04:44 <Ammler> but you can inform him about :-) 14:04:46 <planetmaker> saying thank you / notifying is what I'd consider nice, if someone re-uses my GPL work. Asking for permission is... unnecessary 14:05:12 *** _Terkhen_ [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has joined #openttd 14:05:13 *** _Terkhen_ [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has quit [] 14:05:32 *** _Terkhen_ [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has joined #openttd 14:05:58 <skidd13> Ammler: that's what I meant ;) 14:06:15 <planetmaker> but inform != ask :-P 14:06:30 <Ammler> well, you need to ask, if you like to change the license, but I hope, you won't 14:07:09 <skidd13> I prefer CC but well I don't want to break with the base license ;) so it'll be GPL 14:07:31 <planetmaker> you cannot even ;-) - unless you get his express permission. 14:07:58 <planetmaker> also... I don't code non GPL. :-P 14:08:22 <planetmaker> I profited so much from other people making their NFO available that I'd consider it lame to not make mine GPL so anyone can profit from it in the future 14:09:51 <planetmaker> and OpenTTD is no project where I apply algorithms of which implementation I can live from 14:10:53 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:26 <Ammler> [15:07] <peter1138> [14:56:58] opengfx rivers are too straight <-- not less than ttd rivers ;-) 14:12:49 <skidd13> planetmaker: For code I prefer GPL for graphics I prefer CC 14:12:52 <SpComb> what's this rivers business tha tI keep hearing about 14:12:55 *** |Terkhen| [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:49 <Ammler> SpComb: there aren't any non opengfx rivers for other climates 14:17:05 <Belugas> hello 14:17:54 <planetmaker> skidd13, but grfs are one entity... 14:18:48 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 14:18:56 <SpComb> Ammler: never even seen a river in openttd 14:19:21 <peter1138> they have to be created in the scenario editor 14:19:37 <peter1138> Ammler, because there are no ttd rivers? 14:19:56 <skidd13> planetmaker: I still prefer CC there cause with it you are able to control the license of forks better 14:20:41 <planetmaker> eh? 14:20:47 <Ammler> skidd13: how will you control the fork better, it is like GPL without source 14:21:10 <planetmaker> license is license. 14:21:18 <planetmaker> either you allow something or you don't. 14:21:28 <Noldo> which CC btw? 14:21:39 <planetmaker> But CC is very community un-friendly in half of its variants. 14:21:57 <Ammler> peter1138: yes, just check a map made with opengfx with the ttd base set 14:22:00 <planetmaker> any NC clause makes it incompatible with OpenTTD. Which is bad. 14:22:02 <skidd13> Ammler: CC is IMO a bit more flexible 14:22:02 <skidd13> Noldo: that is the thing I meant you are able to choose which parts you add 14:22:13 <Ammler> there are some examples on the intro map competition 14:22:15 <planetmaker> skidd13, flexible?! 14:22:32 <peter1138> that ain't ttd rivers 14:22:32 <planetmaker> what flexibility do you need which you don't have with GPL? 14:22:50 <planetmaker> Except if you want to be a control freak and tell people what they may and may not do. 14:22:56 <planetmaker> E.g. control their "taste" 14:22:57 <Ammler> skidd13: read the opengfx license thread 14:23:26 <Noldo> skidd13: well CC is more like a family of licenses, comparing it to GPL doesn't quite work 14:23:29 <skidd13> planetmaker: that might be a relict of my education ;) 14:23:56 <skidd13> Noldo: true 14:24:02 <Ammler> which you can't with CC, you have less control then with gpl 14:24:49 <Ammler> (except NC clause) 14:26:52 <skidd13> Ammler: you maybe want to reuse it in a commercial product but that's sometimes problematic with GPL 14:27:08 <planetmaker> basically for newgrfs, a NC and a ND clause make the code unaccessible. That's bad. And as such GPL is better then the remaining CC licenses 14:27:17 <planetmaker> skidd13, is it? 14:27:35 <Ammler> not, if the commercial product is GPL too 14:27:46 <Rubidium> a major problem with (some of) the CC licenses is that they are not considered "free" by the major linux distributions 14:28:02 <planetmaker> think of it that way, skidd13: if you want to make it commercial AND closed source: then you should have the wit to contact the coders / artists 14:28:24 <planetmaker> If you're just a hobby coder for these projects: then it's difficult, especially to contact people long gone. 14:28:25 <Rubidium> also if you want your stuff to be freely useable by companies, license it under e.g. the zlib license 14:28:51 <planetmaker> Thus it helps the community MUCH more, if you chose GPL which is OpenTTD's default license and which requires to share and continue to share all code 14:28:56 <Rubidium> or, like sdl does, provide a commercial licensed version upon request, but that ofcourse only works for the stuff you have done 14:29:02 <skidd13> planetmaker: I stated earlier that I'll release the stuff GPL ... so the discussion is obsolete ;) 14:29:16 <planetmaker> and code in the newgrf context is images and nfo 14:29:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:27 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.121] has joined #openttd 14:35:19 *** void^ [~unknown@anxi.mine.nu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:29 *** heffer_ is now known as heffer 14:37:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b3:d8ef:1:197f:34da:6b9f:b4f8] has joined #openttd 14:39:13 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 14:39:23 <heffer> in the OpenSFX thread i also stated why NC is unacceptable for Fedora for example 14:40:34 <Noldo> NC is just brain dead 14:41:24 <Bluelight> evilNirvan: Just re-connet.. If you are gone too long the company will die.. 14:41:34 <heffer> well i can understand when authors don't want their products to be used in commercial environments 14:41:53 <heffer> but while the motivation is clear the implications are not 14:42:05 <Ammler> but that is the only CC license which would make sense to use 14:42:05 <Noldo> agreed 14:43:00 <heffer> i think the problem with OpenSFX is that many samples are taken from different source that don't allow it to be licensed differently 14:43:08 <heffer> opengfx is in fedora, opensfx not 14:44:03 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 14:44:48 <Ammler> heffer: my spec tests :-) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/openttdcoop/Fedora_12/noarch/ 14:45:10 <Ammler> doesn't fedora have a "restricted" repo? 14:45:21 <heffer> catcodec and openttd-nosound will be in fedora soon 14:45:35 <Ammler> for the mp3 and libdvdcss stuff and such 14:45:49 <heffer> i find it funny that i am required to build a sound package from source that provides NO sound :D 14:45:56 <heffer> well there is RPMFusion 14:46:08 <heffer> and that is where openttd-opensfx will probably go 14:46:26 <heffer> both openttd-opensfx and openttd-nosound will provide openttd-sound 14:46:36 <heffer> so either one will be pulled in when installing 14:46:56 <Ammler> http://obs.openttdcoop.org/specs/ <-- feel free to take some stuff if you want or comment 14:47:12 <heffer> sure. thank you 14:47:50 <heffer> what is openttd-is2? 14:48:02 <Ammler> that is a patched openttd 14:48:11 <heffer> oh okay. openttdcoop too? 14:48:30 <Ammler> openttdcoop is the nightly we use 14:49:00 <Ammler> something like weekly :-) 14:49:22 <heffer> okay. but i tend to play the stock version anyway 14:49:42 <Ammler> did you solve the renum boost issue? 14:49:57 <heffer> i don't want to embarrass my myself on a public server :D 14:50:20 <heffer> i don't quite remember. but i don't seem to have any issues with boost and renum on fedora anymore 14:50:59 <Ammler> do you support all fedora versions or just newest? 14:51:10 <heffer> as usual you can find the fedora stuff at http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/<pkgname> 14:51:52 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest2864 14:51:52 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.121] has joined #openttd 14:52:01 <heffer> e.g. http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/grfcodec/ http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/nforenum/ http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/openttd-opengfx/ http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/openttd/ 14:52:19 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:52:29 <heffer> we always support n-1 14:52:35 <heffer> so atm this is 11 and 12 14:55:19 *** Guest2864 [~markmac@147.143.254.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:48 *** TrueBrain [91764884@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:59:53 *** Luukland [~luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:00:17 <Luukland> Guys you know that with latest nightly, horrible black areas arrise when kicked out a server? 15:00:30 <TrueBrain> don't get kicked! 15:00:31 <Luukland> kicked as in -> Restart of new server game 15:00:42 <Luukland> Just telling :) 15:02:00 <SpComb> eww, rpms 15:02:23 <TrueBrain> you like ebuild more? 15:02:51 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-240-109.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:03:36 <SpComb> deb4life 15:06:20 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:07:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:57 *** void^ [~unknown@anxi.mine.nu] has joined #openttd 15:14:05 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:17 <evilNirvana> Bluelight: it doesnt like me :( 15:19:44 <Bluelight> Just try again.. Sometimes it don't work for some reason. 15:21:33 <TrueBrain> put a fire under it 15:26:31 <heffer> package formats are nonrelevant 15:26:51 <TrueBrain> tell that to people dropping the avi container 15:28:50 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AF41.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:30:21 <Luukland> Truebrain are you allright mate? 15:30:29 <Luukland> You sound a bit "suicidal" 15:30:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485AF41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:57 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-240-109.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:58 <planetmaker> hello TrueBrain :-) Long time no seen (here) 15:30:59 <TrueBrain> nah, I value my life 15:31:06 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: tell me about it ;) 15:31:25 <planetmaker> how's life? 15:31:29 <TrueBrain> I value it :) 15:31:35 <planetmaker> :-D 15:31:40 <TrueBrain> you? 15:31:47 <planetmaker> very much so :-) 15:31:55 *** woldemar [~world@188.122.239.195] has joined #openttd 15:35:23 <TrueBrain> I like the :D smiley mibbit has 15:36:55 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9948.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:37:18 <TrueBrain> zoef 15:37:21 <TrueBrain> (Fast joined) 15:41:51 <TrueBrain> @op 15:41:54 <TrueBrain> @whoami 15:41:54 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: I don't recognize you. 15:41:56 <TrueBrain> ass 15:42:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 15:42:13 <planetmaker> tsk tsk ;-) 15:42:16 <TrueBrain> good boy 15:42:18 * TrueBrain pets DorpsGek 15:42:23 <DorpsGek> prrrr 15:42:28 <planetmaker> lool 15:48:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a TrueBrain! 15:48:37 <Eddi|zuHause> we missed you! 15:49:08 <TrueBrain> Really? 15:49:11 <TrueBrain> ieuw 15:49:13 * TrueBrain hugs Eddi|zuHause 15:49:16 <TrueBrain> nice to see you too :) 15:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium told us horror stories about you... 15:50:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i was scared! 15:50:17 <TrueBrain> Haha! As you should :) Do tell, what did he tell? 15:52:53 *** fjb is now known as Guest2873 15:52:54 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B3D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause> [Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2010] [22:00:16] <dihedral> i am not used to not seing him on irc for a longer period of time 15:53:08 <Eddi|zuHause> [Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2010] [22:00:57] <Rubidium> maybe because I possibly killed his bouncer 15:53:12 <Eddi|zuHause> [Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2010] [22:01:29] <Rubidium> but then... I killed way more at that moment 15:53:46 <TrueBrain> ghehehehehe :) Would have been fun, if Rubidium was the cause of my HD dying ... 15:53:52 <TrueBrain> then I have something to blame 15:53:54 <TrueBrain> euh, sorry: someone 15:54:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the conversation was slightly longer than this ;) 15:55:12 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 15:55:15 *** Guest2873 [~frank@p5485AF41.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:18 <TrueBrain> I will check thegrebs, if I get bored :p 15:55:44 <planetmaker> unlikely to happen, eh? ;-) 15:56:06 <TrueBrain> nah ... I have been snowboarding the first week of 2010! Do you know how cool it is you can say that to people? "What did you do the first week of 2010?" - "Well, I was in Val Thorens putting on my board and going of a hill, through the slightly not prepared parts of the mountain" 15:56:25 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: very true :) Even more exact: I don't really care what is said :$ 15:56:42 *** woldemar [~world@188.122.239.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:51 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 16:03:00 *** Luukland [~luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:05:39 * Rubidium waves at TrueBrain 16:05:58 <Rubidium> does the mibbit thing mean the problem's still not resolved? 16:05:59 * TrueBrain waves back to Rubidium 16:06:11 <TrueBrain> nah, it means I am to fucking lazy to reinstall my machine 16:06:17 <TrueBrain> too 16:06:18 <TrueBrain> hmm 16:08:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: what if we update the mirror rotation to look at the IP, and assign based on that? 16:08:31 <TrueBrain> peter1138: did you update your mirror to a 100 mbit by now? 16:09:21 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that'd require some uhm... 'management' to spread it a bit because the servers are all quote close to eachother 16:09:37 <TrueBrain> US and UK? 16:09:48 <Rubidium> IIRC uk, nl and cz 16:09:59 <TrueBrain> and us, that is why I start about it :) 16:10:24 <Rubidium> ah, forgot the us :) 16:10:35 <TrueBrain> did you btw adjust your stat-collector to avoid duplicated entries? (the ones that load the binaries.openttd.org, and get redirected to nl.binaries.openttd.org?) 16:11:04 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: so I would suggest to look up the IP (geoIP or what ever), and if US, go to us.binaries.openttd.org, otherwise pick one of the 3 16:11:25 <TrueBrain> also, should we keep track how many users we point to which mirror? 16:11:59 <peter1138> TrueBrain, yes, ages ago 16:12:01 <Rubidium> nl.binaries.openttd.org is completely ignored 16:12:10 <TrueBrain> peter1138: good :) Was just checking ;) Tnx :) 16:12:11 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: good 16:12:30 <Rubidium> so only binaries.openttd.org "hits" are counted, which means we'll miss stuff if people search the mirrors manually 16:12:43 <TrueBrain> not really an issue 16:12:55 <TrueBrain> there are tons of mirrors out there anyway (.deb, .rpms, ..) 16:13:08 *** woldemar [~world@188.122.228.47] has joined #openttd 16:13:48 <Rubidium> I wonder how much more expensive (calculation wise) geoip gets 16:14:02 <TrueBrain> there are static databases which give a good estimate 16:14:15 <TrueBrain> of course there is some penalty 16:14:19 <peter1138> write a script to pull out stats from the mirror's log files 16:14:23 <TrueBrain> but redirecting nl. users to us. is not the best thing ;) 16:14:38 <TrueBrain> peter1138: we don't have access to most log files from the mirrors (for good reason btw) 16:14:50 <Rubidium> true, but for some reason php seems to be very sluggish lately already :( 16:15:07 <peter1138> hmm, my mirror is being used currently 16:15:20 <TrueBrain> all mirrors are being used, yes 16:15:23 <peter1138> ok 16:15:28 <TrueBrain> we ran out of bandwidth on the nl. side ;) 16:15:28 <peter1138> it wasn't for a long time :) 16:15:33 <TrueBrain> didn't Rubidium tell you? :p 16:15:41 <peter1138> no 16:16:06 <Rubidium> I did tell I turned on the mirrors, okay I didn't highlight you 16:16:06 <TrueBrain> we have 2TB .. our estimate was over that value :p Now it is back to 1TB .. the rest of the bandwidth is now on any of the mirrors ;) 16:16:15 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm111.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:48 <TrueBrain> but now we need to orchestrate this mirror stuff a bit more .. random picking is not what I like most :) 16:16:54 <TrueBrain> although I like the solution Rubidium wrote :) 16:17:11 <peter1138> heh, 1TB over the last month 16:17:18 <peter1138> do you have mirror monitoring? 16:17:19 <heffer> you could try mod_geoip or Apache2::Geo::Mirror 16:17:29 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: so, what do you think: log per mirror how many users we redirect to there? And use some kind of geoIP to pick the right mirror? 16:17:30 <peter1138> i.e. if my server goes tits up would it stop trying automatically? 16:17:37 <TrueBrain> peter1138: currently: no 16:17:53 <peter1138> oh, 1/2 TB 16:18:26 <heffer> are more mirror desirable? i could offer some space in DE 16:18:31 <heffer> how much would be needed? 16:18:39 <Rubidium> On Sat Jan 02 2010: 13:38 <@Rubidium> I've implemented some crude 'also use the mirrors for downloads' thingy in the hope to stay below the projected 2.3 TB this month (>2 TB => paying lots of money) 16:19:09 <TrueBrain> heffer: at least 100GB diskspace, and at least 2TB of bandwidth. raw http access, and where possible also ftp access 16:19:50 <TrueBrain> peter1138: don't forget to set your mirror.html ;) 16:20:00 <heffer> that should be possible 16:20:18 *** Hackykid [~quassel@dyn241-hg.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:05 <TrueBrain> heffer: although we rather have countries far away :p nl, uk, cz .. de is very closeby :p 16:21:18 <heffer> yes that was why I was asking 16:21:20 <TrueBrain> anyway, if you are serious, drop me a mail (truebrain @ ...), with details, including peerings (or AS) 16:21:28 <heffer> it might not be attractive 16:21:44 <heffer> since it's only my personal dedicated server at Hetzner 16:21:49 <peter1138> 30GB diskspace used currently 16:22:02 <TrueBrain> I will write a nice 'mirror application' form soon :) 16:22:10 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:11 <Rubidium> anyhow, my "use the mirrors" code is *very* crude and definitely needs improvements :) 16:22:26 <heffer> TrueBrain, what about MirrorManager? 16:22:27 <Sacro> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb7vys_londons-termini-in-the-swinging-60s_auto 16:22:28 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: so you agree on my idea? :) 16:22:40 <TrueBrain> heffer: mirrormanager? 16:22:52 <heffer> that's what we use at Fedora https://fedorahosted.org/mirrormanager/ 16:23:01 <Rubidium> geoip is definitely not a bad idea, only we need to look at whether php is really the best 'tool' for the job 16:23:15 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lighttpd has a geoip plugin 16:23:21 <TrueBrain> dunno how robust it is 16:24:52 <heffer> MirrorManager does GeoIP afaik and it checkes if a mirror is up to date. otherwise it's excluded from the rotation 16:25:11 <TrueBrain> heffer: we use a much more simpler solution: when there is a new binary, we rsync the whole tree 16:25:17 <TrueBrain> (the reason nightlies take 10 minutes longer) 16:25:23 <peter1138> updates are pushed, so we know when they're up to date 16:25:26 <TrueBrain> this assures us mirrors are always directly accessable 16:25:36 <TrueBrain> we only have to account for mirror failure if we let this grow 16:25:46 *** arachnist [arachnist@insomniac.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:46 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:52 <TrueBrain> so every hour a 'wget' of a specific page should solve that 16:26:01 <heffer> okay 16:26:16 <TrueBrain> I try to avoid having mirrors install specific software 16:26:33 <TrueBrain> (also, no PHP, no Python, no nothing) 16:26:36 <TrueBrain> plain files 16:26:45 <TrueBrain> (we upload our own index.html to solve all kinds of problems ;)) 16:27:17 <heffer> mirrormanager doesn't need any software on the mirrors afaik 16:27:29 <TrueBrain> the description is very vague 16:27:45 <TrueBrain> but okay, openttd.org is too simple at this stage 16:27:49 <heffer> i know. it's mostly untested outside fedora infrastructure 16:27:53 <TrueBrain> we only want to mirror our files, not the webpage itself :) 16:28:31 <heffer> MirrorManager just manages mirrors, not the content :) 16:28:38 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 16:28:41 <heffer> but maybe Apache2::Geo::Mirror is really what you are looking for 16:28:47 <heffer> http://search.cpan.org/~rkobes/Apache-GeoIP/Apache2/Geo/Mirror.pm 16:28:51 <heffer> it's pretty simple 16:28:52 <TrueBrain> we try to avoid Apache :) 16:29:13 <heffer> oh i see 16:29:25 <heffer> for my part i use cherokee 16:29:39 <TrueBrain> Cherokee is too 'new' .. has many issues when we last tried it 16:29:51 <TrueBrain> (stupid issues, like wrongly switching connections between SSL and non-SSL) 16:30:02 <TrueBrain> currently we use nginx as front-end, and lighttpd (and one apache) as backend 16:30:18 <TrueBrain> nginx because it uses no memory and CPU, lighttpd because it is better than apache (but leaks memory) 16:30:57 <Rubidium> lighttpd because it leaks memory like hell in one particular situation 16:31:06 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:14 <Ammler> suse uses http://mirrorbrain.org/ but that is apache module, afaik 16:31:14 <Rubidium> one that is sadly enough too common 16:31:31 <Ammler> but also quite "realtime" 16:31:33 <TrueBrain> but this setup is relative stable :) 16:31:50 <Rubidium> yup, except when someone DOSes :( 16:31:52 <TrueBrain> either way, Rubidium , I will make a draft with some ideas, and then maybe we can test a few things :) 16:31:55 <heffer> the AS of my server would be AS24940. dunno if it's good :) 16:32:15 <TrueBrain> heffer: if you are serious, email me, then I will review it. Oh, forgot one condition: 100+ mbit/s connection ;) 16:32:32 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 16:33:15 <TrueBrain> hmm ... I might even consider making IPv6 support mandatory ;) 16:33:18 <Rubidium> oh, that reminds me of that German provider... "unlimited bandwidth @ 100 mbits*" (*) if you pass 2 TB you'll only have 10 mbits 16:33:48 <Rubidium> and at 10 mbits... you'll not go that far over 2 TB 16:34:03 <heffer> i believe that's what I have :) so i assume it's not worth it 16:34:05 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:11 <Bluelight> I miss you in the game evilNirvana? 16:34:24 <Bluelight> Just check out my new track.. 16:34:25 <evilNirvana> \it died 16:34:29 <evilNirvana> sec 16:34:38 <TrueBrain> heffer: then no worries .. .de should be easy to get, as mirror. Cheap bandwidth ;) 16:34:47 <heffer> right :) 16:34:57 <peter1138> "With the distribution of two /8 blocks to APNIC, the Number Resource 16:34:57 <peter1138> Organization (NRO) today announced that less than ten percent of 16:34:58 <peter1138> available IPv4 addresses remain unallocated." 16:34:58 <peter1138> heh 16:34:58 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 16:35:03 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d22d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:04 <Rubidium> but yes, IPv6 support would be nice (no IPv6 mirrors at the moment) 16:35:12 <peter1138> yeah sorry 16:35:19 <peter1138> my routers don't have ipv6 images yet :d 16:35:21 <TrueBrain> peter1138: something to fix for you ;) 16:35:30 <peter1138> i have ipv6... 16:35:35 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: something we should keep in mind when rerouting too 16:35:36 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:43 <TrueBrain> we should keep the IPv6 requests at nl. for now :) 16:35:58 <TrueBrain> orudge: does us. support IPv6? 16:36:01 <peter1138> 2a02:cb0::/32 :D 16:36:32 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I only have an IPv6 address of nl. 16:36:53 <Rubidium> and yes, if you come there via ipv6 you should be redirected to an ipv6 server right now 16:37:29 <TrueBrain> non-IPv6 I assume you mean? :) 16:37:36 <TrueBrain> owh, should 16:37:37 <TrueBrain> lol 16:37:40 <TrueBrain> I read: could 16:38:15 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:39:17 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d092.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:50 <evilNirvana> Bluelight: sorry, i've been called into DJ D: 16:40:09 <Bluelight> DJ? 16:40:34 <Bluelight> No problem but I just wanted to show you my new trainstation.. 16:42:05 <evilNirvana> lemme try 16:42:40 *** _Terkhen_ [kvirc@150.214.221.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:34 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-107-251.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 16:52:27 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan-196158.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:02 <TrueBrain> peter1138: any ETA on IPv6 support, or no priority what so ever? 16:59:53 <peter1138> nope 17:00:06 <TrueBrain> k :) 17:00:15 <peter1138> it's nearly impossible to get cisco updates without paying $lots to cisco for support contacts 17:01:29 <TrueBrain> yeah ... this will be a nice project, to make a small something which routes people all over the world for the downloads :) 17:01:40 <TrueBrain> first: food 17:02:09 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:04:28 <peter1138> hmm, what's my lirportal login? 17:09:24 <peter1138> ah, found it :D 17:10:52 *** Sweet|Home [~Sweet@cpc3-port7-0-0-cust724.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:12:05 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:25 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@235.69.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:18:58 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan-196158.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:52 <Sacro> what? 17:19:56 <Sacro> hackykid :o 17:22:10 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:26:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f76ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:31 *** The_Exile^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:36:15 <evilNirvana> PBS failed me D: 17:36:27 <evilNirvana> crashed two of my trains 17:36:39 <TrueBrain> PBS is evil 17:37:11 *** Dreamxtreme_ [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:37:18 <Bluelight> PBS? 17:37:36 <TrueBrain> Pressed By Superman 17:37:45 <Bluelight> See you evilNirvana.. Fun playing.. :) 17:38:15 <Bluelight> Damn I have to many IRC channles open.. Can I ask what IRC clients you guys use? 17:38:21 <Bluelight> I use CHatZilla 17:38:28 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-130-26.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:34 <KenjiE20> Weechat 0.3.0 17:38:37 <TrueBrain> I use telnet, why? 17:38:40 <KenjiE20> lol 17:39:29 *** Dreamxtreme_ [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 17:39:35 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:55 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:40:46 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:49 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:56 <peter1138> see 17:42:10 <peter1138> hackykid comes back and pbs starts causing train crashes 17:42:13 <peter1138> coincidence? 17:42:55 <TrueBrain> yes 17:43:03 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d22d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:00 <Bluelight> Yeah that traincrash was crazy.. I saw it.. 17:45:14 <Bluelight> Nothing wrong with the signals I think.. 17:46:23 <Bluelight> telnet? 17:47:10 <Bluelight> mibbit ajax? 17:47:16 <evilNirvana> TrueBrain: telnet sucks. i use /dev/tcp 17:47:34 <TrueBrain> I always get the CRC32 wrong :( 17:47:34 <evilNirvana> mIRC :P 17:48:16 <Bluelight> mIRC v6.34 Khaled Mardam-Bey 17:49:26 <Bluelight> I remember years ago mIRC was completely packed with viruses.. 17:52:30 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 17:53:33 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:56 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 17:54:58 <heffer> o rly? 17:56:42 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:57:20 *** phalax [~quassel@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 17:59:03 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 17:59:29 <fjb> mIRC was prone to worms. 18:00:05 <TrueBrain> but /dev/tcp too! 18:00:05 <Bluelight> There was even ways to attack IRC clients with viruses from the menu in mIRC 18:00:59 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: not on Windows! 18:01:25 <TrueBrain> for Windows you only need the RFC :p 18:01:28 <TrueBrain> euh, RPC :p 18:01:31 *** luukland [~luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:01:40 * fjb doesn't have /dev/tcp 18:01:56 <TrueBrain> neither do I, but that is besides any point here ;) 18:01:59 <luukland> Could someone please tell me why I can't disable road works in towns? just like bribing? 18:02:12 <TrueBrain> because it is part of the game 18:02:19 <fjb> Because they are cute to watch. 18:02:42 <luukland> Part of the game is exclusive rights also, but that one can be disabled 18:03:07 <luukland> I am getting numurous complaints about ppl not being able to finish their bus quests 18:03:21 *** phalax [~quassel@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:28 <TrueBrain> so I guess you have to make a patch for it then 18:04:03 <luukland> Yeap appearantly 18:04:42 <luukland> but than ppl might complain about not being able to do so on certain servers >_< 18:04:56 <TrueBrain> but then again, people always complain 18:05:10 <luukland> sure, but this time they complain on flyspray :) 18:05:16 <TrueBrain> you don't 18:05:34 <luukland> I am not going to 18:05:49 <luukland> Anyhow, thx for the info! 18:05:53 <TrueBrain> np 18:05:58 <planetmaker> then the patch has small chance to make it into trunk ;-) 18:06:12 <luukland> argh, not with the coding styles we use :P 18:06:37 <planetmaker> use a proper one then 18:06:41 <TrueBrain> apples and peaches ... 18:07:00 <Rubidium> millions of peaches! :) 18:10:59 <TrueBrain> I love beaches 18:12:13 <Rubidium> image sitting in a bus going through California's back roads with the bus driver telling what kind of farms next to the road, then when driving along peach trees "Busted - Peaches" is ran :) 18:14:49 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 18:16:02 <Rubidium> oh, just remember reading somewhere that newer virtualboxes 'support' Mac OS X 18:16:15 <TrueBrain> really? 18:16:31 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@242-174.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:17:14 <AC6000> who here knows their way around a netgear router? 18:17:15 <TrueBrain> virtual EFI support .. that is part of the job 18:17:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=207334 18:17:28 <TrueBrain> around? Sure, put it in the middle of the table, and walk around it 18:17:36 <AC6000> har har 18:17:41 <Rubidium> not quite standard OS X though :( 18:18:15 <AC6000> in that case abit of rewording is needed :P 18:18:40 <AC6000> anyone know how to configure a netgear router for openttd? :P 18:18:46 <TrueBrain> @openttd ports 18:18:46 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 18:18:52 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: looks promising 18:19:16 <Rubidium> although I wonder how much core2duo it needs, i.e. whether xeon is enough too 18:19:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: but I tried for a long time a version which had patched up EFI (it is possible via other methods) .. so EFI alone doesn't cut it 18:19:52 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:21:21 <AC6000> and its forwarding, correct? 18:21:27 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:29 <TrueBrain> yup 18:22:15 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: that page looks promising :) 18:23:02 <TrueBrain> I wonder if I stil have iDeneb somewhere ... 18:23:23 <Rubidium> yeah, although the question is whether a properly installed OS X still supports targetting 10.4u 18:23:33 <Rubidium> especially 10.6 18:23:35 <TrueBrain> I can target 10.4u with my 10.6, so ... 18:24:17 <TrueBrain> (I only need to keep in mind doing 10.4 and 10.5 in i386, not in x86_64) 18:24:45 <Rubidium> universal binaries don't do x64 by default 18:25:01 <Rubidium> although you can tell it to do so 18:25:38 <AC6000> ok, i think i got it... 18:26:04 * AC6000 then takes TrueBrains advise and walks around his router a few times 18:26:11 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: that is a bit bull ;) 18:26:13 <TrueBrain> AC6000: enjoy :) 18:26:21 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: universal binaries can be any combination :p 18:26:31 <Rubidium> I'm talking about OpenTTD here 18:26:37 <TrueBrain> I was for example talking about the universal I made for OpenDUNE :p 18:26:50 <TrueBrain> and the fact the compiler favours x86_64 about i386 :( 18:27:50 <Rubidium> still needs testing whether x86_64 is really faster than i386; PPC G5 was at least 10% faster than PPC which is 10% faster than PPC64 (for OpenTTD) 18:28:10 * AC6000 lawls at his rape trains :P 18:28:37 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: in general, one can doubt x86_64 is faster :) I believe latest try on linux, showed that i686 was faster than x86_64 :p 18:28:41 <TrueBrain> (but that was 3 years ago) 18:28:41 <Rubidium> and Apple's docs, at least last time I read them, seemed to imply that you shouldn't make 64 bits binaries unless really needed 18:32:40 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: if you know how a x86 processor works internally you'll quickly understand why 64 bits doesn't necessarily become faster (think of cache pressure) 18:32:48 <peter1138> want the extra registers of x86_64 but with the less memory bandwidth of 32bit 18:33:11 <Rubidium> yeah, basically 18:33:16 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I have a fairly good idea why they are not faster perse, yes :) 18:34:00 <TrueBrain> I am already happy they didn't make ral and rah :p 18:35:10 <Rubidium> register renaming is fun! :) 18:35:34 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:36:06 <AC6000> *ponders* 18:37:22 *** SpComb^_ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 18:37:22 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:25 <AC6000> ok, what should the IP be? 18:37:25 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:33 <TrueBrain> 127.0.0.1 18:37:55 <AC6000> you sure? <.< 18:37:57 <TrueBrain> (is that mean?) 18:38:06 <TrueBrain> I am sure it is a valid IP on any machine 18:38:09 <glx> ::1 is nice too 18:38:11 <TrueBrain> unless you disable the IPv4 stack 18:38:45 <TrueBrain> AC6000: your question is kind of vague .. it is like asking: what should the housenumber be? 18:40:22 <AC6000> well, i did cmd.exe and looked up my IP, which did not work ( for openttd that is 18:40:25 <AC6000> ) 18:40:29 <TrueBrain> www.whatismyip.com 18:40:36 <TrueBrain> (no joke) 18:40:52 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 18:40:59 <Rubidium> www.whatismyipv6.com is soo much better! 18:41:49 <AC6000> Server IP address must be a LAN IP address. :I 18:42:29 <TrueBrain> owh, for your router 18:42:29 <TrueBrain> yes 18:43:00 <TrueBrain> see .. we need more information if you want us to help you :) You are ... kind of .. giving small hints .. and we have to play: connect the dots :) Tell us what you are trying, and what is failing where ;) 18:43:19 <luukland> try opening the windows command line, and write ipconfig? 18:43:20 <Rubidium> just install a IPv6 broker and be done with it :) 18:43:28 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lol :) 18:43:41 <AC6000> ok, the no brainer part is the game runs, but it's not showing up in the server list :S 18:43:47 <Rubidium> it's so much easier that having to punch holes in NAT :) 18:44:17 <AC6000> luukland:already did that 18:44:18 <TrueBrain> AC6000: http://www.canyouseeme.org/, and type in port 3979 18:44:40 <peter1138> hurr... 2a02:cb0:3:3::3 18:44:50 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:16 <peter1138> unroutable, but i set that up for some reason :s 18:45:22 <peter1138> don't remember when, hehe 18:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18867 /trunk/src/lang/ (greek.txt spanish.txt): 18:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: greek - 1 changes by fumantsu 18:45:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: spanish - 109 changes by Terkhen 18:45:47 <TrueBrain> thank you WT3! :) 18:45:52 <peter1138> 36 changes by! 18:45:56 <TrueBrain> croatian is hanging again :) How nice 18:46:23 <Rubidium> no, it's not hanging... it's not properly committing changes 18:46:39 <TrueBrain> it did commit the changes .. just didn't record them back .. case changes 18:46:42 <TrueBrain> or at least, so I assume 18:47:17 <TrueBrain> solution is always simple: language-reload trunk Croatian 18:47:19 <TrueBrain> trlalala 18:47:39 <Rubidium> that's not the solution... because the Croatian translator will just add it again 18:48:16 <AC6000> wait, do ports 3978 and 3979 need to be open? 18:48:18 <TrueBrain> as far as I know, WT3 only bugs when you change a case (and not the non-case): it gets committed, but when loading back the commit, it doesn't see the change 18:48:21 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:25 <TrueBrain> @openttd ports 18:48:25 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 18:48:31 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@7.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 18:48:35 <Terkhen> hello 18:48:41 <TrueBrain> heloo Terkhen 18:49:01 <AC6000> ok, i'm gunna try 3979... 18:49:08 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but this is the second time it happens for the exact same number (36), as such it's *very* likely it doesn't commit 18:49:50 <AC6000> yay! it works 18:51:48 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:52:35 <AC6000> games up if anyone wants to join 18:52:35 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: we will see; that is the only bug in WT3 I know about, which happened from time to time .. till now every commit was correct (this mostly due to the way it generates the commits) 18:53:01 <TrueBrain> for WT3 it is simply not possible to generate a commit which only contains parts of the changes (for a given language) 18:53:17 <TrueBrain> so the only sane thing to say, is that it only fails to switch off the change flag 18:53:21 <TrueBrain> but we will see :) 18:54:11 <Rubidium> check the website bug tracker for WT3 bugs :) 18:54:39 <TrueBrain> I only remember complaining the language was hanging (the commit, that is) 18:54:54 <TrueBrain> not the first language which does so, not the last I am sure :) 18:56:00 <Bluelight> How do leave a game without breaking connection.. I mean the server say leave sometimes when other leaves, but when I leave it say connection lost.. 18:56:42 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the bugs reports for WT3 is kind of small :p 18:57:16 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: so are the bug reports for OpenTTD is you don't count OSX and suspected memory errors 18:58:00 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you tell me to check the website :) I find one bug report about Croatian, which is now fixed .. one I can't understand ("If I change this after pressing Save, it doesn't save" .. DAH!), and one long-going bug 18:58:03 <TrueBrain> so I wonder what I had to look at 18:58:44 <Bluelight> There is one guy playing on my server after all these hours.. Ohh well. 18:59:08 <Rubidium> FS#3320 is probably more something like: if I change the 'root' gender, the genders of the cases aren't updated; if I change the gender of a case all genders become 'all' 18:59:27 <TrueBrain> ah .. didn't read that in it :p 18:59:59 <TrueBrain> but if that are all problems with WT3, I believe I did a very good job :) 19:00:21 <Rubidium> then reply saying you don't understand the problem and let him explain it again, possibly with images or so 19:00:31 <TrueBrain> read what I just did? 19:00:55 <Rubidium> argh... php is *SLOW* again 19:01:09 <TrueBrain> we will check that out another day :) 19:02:16 <AC6000> O_o is 22,000,000 liters of oil a bit much for a ship, or is it just me? 19:02:30 <luukland> try deleting some newgrfs 19:03:07 <AC6000> oh, i forgot i have the Very Large Ships GRF on :P 19:04:54 *** woldemar [~world@188.122.228.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:21 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.162.30] has joined #openttd 19:08:16 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:55 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:19:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host123-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:19:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B3D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:21 <Wolf01> hello : 19:19:23 <Wolf01> :D 19:20:19 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 19:20:53 <AC6000> !seen Chrill 19:21:04 <AC6000> awwww, that don't work? 19:23:52 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B3D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:42 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:11 <luukland> @seen Chrill 19:29:11 <DorpsGek> luukland: Chrill was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 0 hours, 27 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <Chrill> Average speed of 313km/h :P 19:30:02 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:54 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:31:12 <AC6000> ahhhh, i'm used to using ! :P 19:33:01 <Sacro> AC6000: it's you! 19:33:15 <AC6000> yes it is :P 19:33:32 <Sacro> bah, stalking me from many angles 19:33:39 <Sacro> no wonder i'm perplexed! 19:33:44 <AC6000> maybe <_< 19:35:58 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 19:36:43 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:06:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:18:54 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:39 <frosch123> let's do something against the sadness 20:28:03 <Wolf01> http://www.theinternetnowinhandybookform.com/PornForGirlsByGirls/ 20:28:44 <Wolf01> (I'm browsing my old bookmarks looking for sites to save with httrack) 20:31:46 * Sacro notes the link 20:33:02 <AC6000> lol 20:33:02 <Wolf01> nothing for you, this time 20:36:13 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.162.30] has quit [Quit: ???????????? ???????] 20:41:29 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.162.30] has joined #openttd 20:43:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:44:47 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:01 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:47:57 <Wolf01> hello Nite_Owl 20:48:36 <Nite_Owl> Hello Wolf01 20:48:53 *** Nick [nick@modemcable254.105-22-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 20:48:56 <Nick> hi 20:49:03 <Alberth> hai 20:49:09 <Nick> I need some help 20:49:15 <Nick> im really bad with trains 20:49:21 <Nick> would anyone do a game with me 20:49:35 <Nick> and use mostly trains so I can see different techniques 20:49:38 <Nick> ? 20:50:01 <Nick> anyone D; 20:50:38 <Nick> :( 20:51:11 <Alberth> why not join a few MP games as spectator, and watch? 20:51:19 <Alberth> there are plenty of servers 20:51:27 <Nick> I dont know why but i cant join them 20:51:48 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 20:52:28 <Nick> I can't click on join game 20:52:45 <Rubidium> find a server that's using the same version as you're using 20:52:53 <Alberth> another option is to download a few save games, and have a look at them 20:52:55 <Rubidium> i.e. one with a green square behind it's name 20:53:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:34 <Nick> how can I know if they use the same version? 20:54:00 <Alberth> it has a green square behind its name? 20:54:33 <Nick> they all have red dots after the server 20:54:40 <frosch123> and it doesn't say "version mismatch" 20:54:47 <Rubidium> what version of OpenTTD are you using? 20:55:12 <Nick> i think its OpenTTD 0.5.2-RC1 20:55:18 <frosch123> :p 20:55:29 <frosch123> then update 20:55:32 <Rubidium> oh, very likely there are no servers for that version :) 20:55:56 <Nick> to update to I have to download something manually or its automatic? 20:55:58 <frosch123> there are plenty of 0.7.5 and 1.0.0-beta2 servers 20:56:21 <Alberth> manually 20:56:24 <frosch123> go to www.openttd.org and download stable 0.7.5 or testing 1.0.0-beta2 20:57:03 <Rubidium> I'd say go for the stable release. There'll be servers for that for longer 20:57:26 <Nick> Ok i googled and found it,thank you all gentlemans 21:01:05 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:57 <Nick> How do I put a password on my company? 21:02:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 21:02:23 <Rubidium> go to your company view window 21:02:36 <Rubidium> and search for the button saying "password" 21:02:59 <Alberth> Nick: http://wiki.openttd.org/Multiplayer 21:04:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-223-134.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:05:57 <Wolf01> 'night 21:06:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host123-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:08:45 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9948.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 21:15:23 <Nick> Anyone wants to start a game? 21:16:07 <AC6000> i might start one up in a bit... 21:16:13 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:42 <ss23> I would be scared playing with anyone in here 21:16:49 <ss23> I would just feel like I'm going to get owned >.> 21:17:06 <AC6000> in MW2, yes, you would :P 21:17:10 <Nick> well 21:17:15 <Nick> i started playing 1 week ago 21:17:16 <Nick> so 21:17:27 <ss23> I think I would get owned regardless of game :P 21:17:32 <Nick> lol! 21:17:36 <Nick> alright ill try to make a game 21:17:42 <ss23> Cept for... maybe CS:S, or multiplayer solitare ;) 21:17:45 <ss23> I own at those 21:17:51 <AC6000> lol 21:18:11 * AC6000 pulls out his ACR 21:18:25 <Nick> ok... 21:18:34 <Nick> what map is the first one in single player? 21:18:51 <Nick> greenistan? 21:19:08 <Nick> ok I made the game 21:19:14 <Nick> how do I give the informations? 21:19:38 <Belugas> you ... supply the data 21:20:51 <Nick> how do I do that? 21:21:23 <Belugas> i was joking... 21:21:43 <Belugas> what informations you want to give? 21:22:40 <Nick> the game info so people here can join my game 21:23:36 <frosch123> why don't you just join one of the hundreds of empty servers? 21:24:30 <Nick> oh 21:24:33 <Nick> smart 21:24:34 <PeterT> That would be too simple. 21:25:16 <Nick> seems there is none 21:25:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:34 <Nick> can you create a game or something...I'm completely lost 21:26:13 <void^> click on "Find Server" 21:26:15 <PeterT> Nick: I see plenty of free servers: http://servers.openttd.org/ 21:32:36 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:33:36 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-190.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:36 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-201-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:42:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f76ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:22 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8db92.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:25 <Ammler> liblzo2 seems not available on suse 21:48:44 <PeterT> I couldn't get liblzo2 working with MSYS 21:48:50 <PeterT> using Rubidium's instructions 21:48:55 <PeterT> doesn't want to make 21:49:49 <Ammler> he, it is called liblzo2-2 on suse 21:50:03 <planetmaker> he :-P lzo2 is funny, hiding under various names 21:50:15 <planetmaker> I had to use lzo2 instead of liblzo2 21:50:28 <Ammler> on mac? 21:51:10 <planetmaker> yo 21:52:37 <Ammler> so you symlinked it or how did openttd detect it? 21:55:29 <TinoDidriksen> TrueBrain, did you ever get OS X to run in VBox? If not, it's now much easier, at least for Leopard: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=207334 - Snow Leopard requires some patching. 21:55:45 <Ammler> /lib/liblzo2.so.2 21:58:11 <Belugas> that it IT!! 21:58:11 *** Sweet|Home [~Sweet@cpc3-port7-0-0-cust724.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:14 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-138-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:58:16 <Belugas> good night!!!!! 21:58:25 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 21:58:26 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:58:47 <Belugas> bye guys :) enjoy the rest of the night! 21:58:48 <PeterT> night 21:58:55 <Rubidium> TinoDidriksen: you are late 21:59:31 <TinoDidriksen> Thought so, but figured better to be sure. 22:01:49 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:52 <Ammler> what is this liblzo2 for? 22:04:03 <PeterT> compression? 22:04:08 <planetmaker> Ammler: it's the successor of minilzo ^ 22:04:17 *** Lapsus [~Lapsusant@H56.C207.cci.switchworks.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:17 <planetmaker> for savegames 22:04:27 <Lapsus> Hello! :3 22:04:35 <Ammler> so quite required 22:04:38 <PeterT> Hello Lapsus 22:04:44 <planetmaker> yes indeed, Ammler 22:05:16 <Ammler> hmm, why does detection fail :-/ 22:05:21 <planetmaker> since 10th(?) january 22:05:38 <planetmaker> oh it does for you, too? ;-) 22:05:45 <Lapsus> Would this be the right place to ask stupid questions about server hosting, or is there another channel for that? :P 22:05:48 <planetmaker> I needed to apply some symlinks to expected paths. 22:06:04 <PeterT> Lapsus, you're at the right place 22:06:16 <planetmaker> for me it installed in /opt/local and the detection works only for /usr/local 22:06:20 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [] 22:06:26 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:37 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [] 22:06:38 <Lapsus> Right on 22:06:43 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 22:08:30 <Lapsus> So, I'm trying to host a dedicated server on XP sp3, but while it starts, it seems to be ignoring my .scr files. They're essentially direct copies of the .scr.examples, edited for the right port/server name/motd etc. 22:08:35 <Lapsus> What am I probably forgetting to do? 22:08:36 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.162.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:45 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:58 *** Goulpy is now known as Muxy 22:09:15 <PeterT> are they in your global directory? 22:09:17 <Ammler> well, the lib is in /lib 22:09:32 <PeterT> eg C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\My Documents\OpenTTD\scripts 22:09:37 <PeterT> @Lapsus 22:09:51 <Ammler> I guess, the issue is the .2 22:09:59 <Lapsus> They're in with my ottd installation, but I'll try moving them there. 22:10:10 <planetmaker> what version do you have installed, Ammler ? IIRC 2.03 is current 22:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> liblzo2 seems not available on suse <-- what? it was just called "lzo" (or "lzo-devel") here 22:10:54 <Ammler> ah, stupid me 22:12:19 <Lapsus> PeterT: It still appears to be ignoring the scripts. I'm going by the fact that it's still trying to use the default port on 0.0.0.0 22:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, lzo is needed for TTD and ~pre-0.4 savegames afaik 22:12:52 <Ammler> thanks Eddi|zuHause, I could have searched for lzo self ;-) 22:13:20 <planetmaker> Lapsus: the port and IP are set in openttd.cfg - not in any scr 22:13:39 <Lapsus> planetmaker: well darn, lol 22:13:47 * Lapsus tries that 22:14:11 <Ammler> Lapsus: you can also define with parameters on startup 22:14:16 <Ammler> openttd --help 22:14:21 <luukland> Can someone gimme an estimate on release 1.0.0? Is it going to be months/weeks? 22:14:38 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:14:39 <planetmaker> 2 months 22:14:40 <Ammler> both :-) 22:14:45 <luukland> 1 april again? :) 22:14:50 <planetmaker> +/- 2 months ;-) 22:15:03 <Ammler> around one month from 1st rc 22:15:15 <luukland> Genious answer again ammler 22:15:31 <Ammler> well, genious question :-P 22:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause> luukland: the answers are going to get worse over time :p 22:15:43 <planetmaker> ^ when it's done basically. 22:15:52 <luukland> Naah, its an annoying question that gets asked by everybody 22:15:59 <luukland> Yeah I see Eddi 22:16:12 <planetmaker> Especially as ther IS no answer as of now. Pretty sure 22:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause> you should have known that beforehand... 22:16:25 <planetmaker> At most a goal set in the mind of an precious stone 22:16:52 <luukland> I see, yet I need to know if the server patches need to be updated to trunk :) 22:17:05 <planetmaker> the answer is: yes 22:17:10 <planetmaker> what do you expect? 22:17:12 <Ammler> always :-P 22:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the answer is: 42 22:17:30 <luukland> 42, hmmm isn't that fuy young hai? 22:17:43 <planetmaker> ... 22:17:46 <luukland> or some other chinese dish? 22:17:50 <Lapsus> planetmaker: That seems to have worked, thanks :3 22:17:59 <Lapsus> Makes me wonder whyt the .scr files are there though 22:18:00 <planetmaker> you're welcome, Lapsus 22:18:04 <Lapsus> why* 22:18:08 <planetmaker> Lapsus: for announcements :-) 22:18:19 <planetmaker> Like what the player gets displayed or alike 22:18:29 <planetmaker> when joining 22:18:42 <planetmaker> but... the wiki knows that in more detail, I reccon. 22:19:08 <Lapsus> planetmaker: That still doesn't explain pre_dedicated.scr and on_dedicated.scr's example files caliming to set the IP, port, name and password. 22:19:08 <planetmaker> But we use anyway ap+ wrapped around openttd in order to run the server :-P 22:19:38 <planetmaker> Lapsus: well... I don't know :-) I never looked at those files longer than a few seconds. 22:19:43 <luukland> or just some heavy patches with MYSQL connection 22:19:57 <Lapsus> I plan to try ap+ eventually, but I don't need it yet. 22:19:58 <planetmaker> mysql? 22:20:21 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm Aœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 22:20:29 <luukland> Yeah, how the hell would you be able to make a flexible campaign system then? 22:20:37 <planetmaker> there's nowhere a DB attached to OpenTTD - except on the central content server maybe and the server list. Dunno though 22:21:48 <planetmaker> ah, well, yes, you have it :-) both nicks start with L :-P 22:21:51 <luukland> No, thats why some of us need to make it ourserlves :) 22:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Lapsus: setting the IP is only needed when you have multiple network devices, and setting the port is only needed when running more than one server 22:23:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... chuck is over way too quickly... 22:23:39 <Lapsus> Eddi|zuHause: Would my guess that it needs my internal IP be correct? 22:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Lapsus: if you have only one network card, leaving it at 0.0.0.0 is enough 22:24:35 <luukland> Lapsus, only think you need to do is open the right ports 22:24:41 <luukland> forward * 22:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause> (means "listen on any address") 22:24:45 <Lapsus> Eddi|zuHause: I've got two virtual devices for vmware, so I'm setting the ip just to be safe. 22:25:26 *** Lyzio [~Lyzio@78-82-224-210.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 22:25:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Lapsus: if you want to bind it to one specific device, use the local IP of that device 22:25:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.198.99] has joined #openttd 22:25:48 <Lapsus> What's the default port again? :x 22:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause> @ports 22:25:55 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 22:25:55 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:10 <Lapsus> Ah, thanks 22:26:41 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:d07e:1:197f:34da:6b9f:b4f8] has joined #openttd 22:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Lapsus: usually it's not needed to set ip and port at the server, only forwarding the ports at the router 22:27:54 <Lapsus> Well, not setting them wasn't working, but I'll try it again anyways now that I've forwarded the default port. 22:29:50 <Lapsus> Ah, it's working now, thanks guys :3 22:30:38 <luukland> np 22:30:46 <luukland> dont forget to send us a donation! :) 22:31:18 <Lapsus> Once I've paid my debts, I will :P 22:31:31 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:32:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.205.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b3:d8ef:1:197f:34da:6b9f:b4f8] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:43 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:37:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz71.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:41:37 <AC6000> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/25215 anyone care to join? :P 22:42:11 <PeterT> AC6000: 22:42:12 <PeterT> yes 22:42:16 <luukland> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/22302 22:42:18 <PeterT> once I install 0.7.5 22:42:20 <luukland> :P Better server ^^ 22:42:35 <PeterT> Luukland: shut up, you have like 10 clients :-P 22:42:45 <PeterT> and you advertise your servers EVERYwhere 22:42:50 <planetmaker> and a modified binary :-P 22:43:08 <luukland> not anymore ;) 22:43:14 <luukland> Its been cancelled :) 22:43:22 <planetmaker> your servers are not patched? 22:43:49 *** Elessar [~tanguy@2a01:e34:ee8f:150:201:c0ff:fe04:d58b] has joined #openttd 22:43:51 <planetmaker> I bet you have server-side patches 22:43:52 <Elessar> Hello. 22:44:10 <luukland> I have only 1 patch 22:44:13 <PeterT> AC6000: you still there? 22:44:19 <planetmaker> see. A modified binary ;-) 22:44:20 <PeterT> luukland: therefore they are patched 22:44:29 <PeterT> one patch == patched 22:44:33 <luukland> dang, I am half sleeping already 22:44:37 <luukland> must have misread 22:44:40 <Elessar> Do you know how to use 32bpp tarballs? Put them in ~/.openttd/data, enable a 32bpp blitter, and there is something else to do? 22:44:50 <Yexo> extract the opengfx tars 22:44:54 <Yexo> and make sure you use opengfx 22:45:11 <PeterT> Yexo: That's a requirement for 32bpp? 22:45:22 <Elessar> I use OpenGFX, sure. 22:45:23 <Yexo> no 22:45:32 <Elessar> As I did not even download the original GFX. 22:45:42 <Yexo> but the 32bpp files have to be in a directory with the same name as the grf file they're replacing the graphics of 22:45:42 <AC6000> yea,i'm here 22:45:59 <PeterT> ok 22:46:01 <Yexo> Elessar: and if you downloaded extra-zoom-level graphics you need a modified binary 22:46:03 <PeterT> I'm getting a GRF 22:46:12 <Elessar> Yexo: I did not. 22:46:18 <AC6000> kk, take your time :) 22:46:30 <PeterT> Elessar: http://wiki.openttd.org/32bpp_Extra_Zoom_Levels#Installation 22:46:39 <Elessar> And, sorry, I started using the original GFX, and used the internal download manager to get OpenGFX. 22:46:42 <PeterT> I've updated that to the best of my ability 22:47:05 <Elessar> PeterT: I do not whan extra zoom level, unless it is needed. 22:47:12 * AC6000 spots a typo :P 22:47:34 <PeterT> * AC6000 fixes it, because it's a wiki. 22:48:16 <Elessar> Okay, wait, I got contradictory instructions. 22:48:23 <Elessar> Let me sum up. 22:48:38 <Elessar> I use OpenGFX and OpenSFX, from ~/.openttd/data. 22:48:46 <AC6000> wow, i like that pic in the wiki ._. 22:48:57 <Elessar> Is it possible to use 32bpp with such a setup? 22:49:06 <Yexo> yes Elessar 22:49:10 <Elessar> Good. 22:49:17 <Yexo> but it might be needed to extract the opengfx tar file 22:49:26 <Elessar> Okay. 22:49:39 <Elessar> Extracted or unextracted, it is the same, to the game? 22:50:02 <Yexo> normally yes, but from reading some reports in the graphic sections there are problems with 32bpp files if you don't extract them 22:50:23 <Elessar> Okay, no problem, let me extract it. 22:50:25 <PeterT> AC6000: I can't seem to join 22:50:37 <PeterT> I've got the long vehicles GRF, but it still doesn't allow me to join 22:50:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:02 <AC6000> one sec 22:51:16 <Elessar> Okay, so, now, I use OpenGFX as a directory. 22:51:37 <Elessar> Now, I got a tarball for a 32bpp [module, pack?]. 22:51:58 <Elessar> Should I extract it too? 22:52:16 <Yexo> it won't hurt if you do 22:52:39 * SpComb prods gathers 22:52:58 <Yexo> then you need to compare the directory names inside the 32bpp tar to the names of the grf files in the opengfx package 22:53:01 <Yexo> they need to be the same 22:53:49 <Elessar> They are not. 22:54:24 <Elessar> Here is the two directories from my 32bpp tarball: sprites/trg1r/ and sprites/openttdd/. 22:54:54 <Yexo> you need to rename sprites/trg1r/ to sprites/opengfx1r/ (or whatever the exact name of that grf file is) 22:54:57 <Elessar> Whereas the grf fles of OpenGFX are all starting in ogfx. 22:55:52 <Elessar> Well, there is a ogfx1_base.grf, but no ogfx1r*. 22:56:01 <Elessar> Ooops, sorry. 22:56:09 <Elessar> Well, there is a ogfx1_base.grf, but no ogfx1r*. 22:56:59 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@235.69.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:01 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:57:04 <Yexo> 1R -> base, IR -> logos, CR -> arctic, HR -> tropical, TR -> toyland, openttdw -> extra 22:57:46 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:58:25 <Elessar> So I should rename it to ogfx1_base, I suppose. 22:58:31 <Yexo> so sprites/ogfx1_base/ and sprites/ogfxe_extra/ 22:59:24 <Elessar> Hmm, I stille have a directory I did not rename: openttdd. 22:59:44 <Yexo> sprites/openttdd/ should be renamed to sprites/ogfxe_extra/ 23:00:06 <Elessar> Err, sorry, I had two directories, openttdd and openttdw. 23:00:19 <Elessar> It sounds like DOS and Windows. 23:00:22 <Yexo> then renamed the openttdw one and leave the openttdd one unaltered 23:00:23 <Yexo> yes 23:00:41 <Elessar> Indeed, they have the same content. 23:00:46 <Yexo> I think if you look in the openttdd and openttdw directories you'll find the same content, only maybe with different sprite numbers 23:00:51 <Elessar> :-) 23:01:12 <Elessar> Now, as I also enabled a 32 bpp blitter, is it all good? 23:01:21 <Yexo> it should be :) 23:01:25 <Elessar> Let me try. 23:02:07 <Elessar> Perfect. 23:02:10 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2929 23:02:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:36 <Elessar> That pack was a main toolbar replacement. It also replaces the mouse pointer, with another one I find horrible. :-) 23:02:55 <Elessar> And is missing the pause icon. But appart from that, it is perfect. 23:03:07 *** TrueBrain [91764884@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 23:03:45 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:31 <Elessar> Okay, thank you. 23:04:34 <gathers> SpComb: ah, hi! 23:05:05 <Elessar> Just by curiosity, was all the necessary because OpenGFX changes some naming scheme compared to the original GRF? 23:06:43 *** Guest2929 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:48 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: brb] 23:08:47 <Elessar> When I understand all the 32 bpp installation process - I think there is only a name conversion to do -, I would like to document it in the wiki, and propose a conversion script. 23:09:47 <Elessar> Because I wonder if there are not more people playing with NewGFX than with the original files, specially now that the game does not need them at all. 23:11:09 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:17:43 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:27 <Ammler> Elessar: you should tell the 32bpp guys, they should make a newgrf ;-) 23:23:29 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:34:03 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:25 <gathers> Is there a point in making a simple "warn before closing industry" patch like the one I recently posted at the forum, or is that supposed to be handled by NewGRFs? 23:35:51 <Terkhen> good night 23:35:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@7.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:36:20 <SpComb> gathers: I haven't even glanced at that myself, but certainly at least ECS warns about it beforehand 23:37:13 <gathers> I mostly play without any newgrfs, so I don't realy know how they behave.. 23:37:37 <SpComb> tsk, uncivilized man 23:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause> gathers: i don't think that should be handled by a patch 23:38:12 <Rubidium> http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/intro/stats.html :) 23:39:50 <gathers> the current behaviour is sometimes quite annoying though, if you get unlucky and something closes right when you send the first train 23:40:14 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:20 <Rubidium> also happens in real life 23:40:23 <SpComb> Rubidium: would it be too big a change to have the title screen *center* the initial view position? 23:40:36 <gathers> SpComb, you prodded me before? 23:40:47 <SpComb> gathers: indeed, I was looking at the autosep patch 23:40:56 <PeterT> gathers: hardly ever happened to me :-) 23:40:58 <gathers> Rubidium, if I had the chance of applying my patch to real life, I would :P 23:41:13 <Rubidium> SpComb: probably not, but then... one has to understand viewport magic 23:41:16 <SpComb> gathers: mostly trying to find some docs as to how the algorithm actually works :P 23:41:46 <Rubidium> gathers: well, use that industry neutraliser thingy 23:42:23 <Lapsus> Hey, just wondering, but can anyone with 1.0.0-beta2 see my server? it's [GV]loltrains at 76.74.207.56 23:42:41 <Rubidium> can you see it at servers.openttd.org? 23:42:47 <luukland> try openttd.org/servers 23:42:57 <luukland> if it gets listed it can be accessed 23:43:04 <SpComb> Rubidium: you'd have the advantage of the menu dialog being way more predictable as to the area it covers - pretty much the same pixels in each case 23:43:07 <gathers> SpComb: I'm mostly resurrecting an old patch, so I'm not sure if there are any ;) 23:43:10 <Lapsus> oh, thanks 23:43:26 <Rubidium> SpComb: but you'll also have to keep it centered when resizing 23:43:29 <SpComb> gathers: so it's a little bit of magic? :) 23:43:47 <SpComb> Rubidium: true, that would probably affect all viewports then 23:43:53 <Rubidium> which basically means: more work 23:44:01 <SpComb> but, imo, that would be the best behaviour anyways... 23:44:15 <SpComb> (and it's how my giant-screenshot-ui works :) 23:44:28 <gathers> Rubidium: any way that I could transform my warn-before-closure patch into something useful? 23:44:31 <SpComb> (well, not for resizing) 23:44:34 <Rubidium> and probably mean: viewport locations instead of top-left specifying the center of the screen, which is massive rewrite stuff 23:44:41 <luukland> time to get some rest 23:44:43 <luukland> n_n 23:44:45 *** luukland [~luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: If you might be interested in playing the first OpenTTD Campaign, try luukland.goulp.net] 23:45:59 <Rubidium> gathers: no idea; I'm (personally) totally not interested in such a 'feature' 23:46:20 <Lapsus> Okay, I've got the right port forwarded to the right system, I've opened the port on my firewall, and the server is actually running. Any thoughts on why it can't be seen from the serverlist? 23:46:42 <Eddi|zuHause> <SpComb> Rubidium: would it be too big a change to have the title screen *center* the initial view position? <-- i think it's a bad idea, as now you can be sure that areas north and west of the viewport will never be visible (and thus can be 'abused' 23:46:45 <Yexo> did you open both tcp and udp? 23:46:54 <PeterT> try 'server_port' 23:47:12 <gathers> SpComb: If you want I could send you a git patch so you get my tree, that might help somewhat. Though most of my commits deal with updating the timetable. The part that does the separation is still mostly as per the original patch. 23:47:14 <SmatZ> hmm.... 23:47:24 <SmatZ> long story short, there was water in my monitor 23:47:40 <SmatZ> but it works flawlessly now again :) 23:47:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:47:54 <Lapsus> Yexo: yes 23:47:56 <SpComb> gathers: I use git myself as well, but only internally so far 23:47:57 <Rubidium> SmatZ: Maurice Moss could've used such a monitor 23:47:58 <PeterT> how many fingers? 23:47:59 <Lapsus> PeterT: what? 23:48:16 <SmatZ> Rubidium: hehe :) 23:48:19 <PeterT> server_port in console 23:48:37 <PeterT> what is the output? 23:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: hmm, i think i missed the "long" part of the story ;) 23:49:52 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: it's so complicated I don't dare to explain it in English ;) 23:49:56 <SpComb> the Zephyris line of title games already feels like the standard one to me 23:50:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: at first glance, i like the "Zuu" one the most 23:50:17 <SpComb> feels familiar 23:50:21 <Lapsus> PeterT: 3979 23:50:38 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: voting is in 4 weeks :) 23:50:44 <PeterT> and you've forwarded to that port, Lapsus 23:50:46 <PeterT> ? 23:51:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i'll try to get mine to a useable state till then ;) 23:51:19 <PeterT> I prefered Mark's 23:51:26 <PeterT> elegent 23:51:31 <SpComb> although the "OPEN TTD" logo really needs some work on the larger res's :) 23:51:58 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz71.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 23:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it does not look good on desert 23:52:48 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: it has something to do with water frozen in tubes, water going where it should because of some obstruction and such 23:53:01 <Lapsus> PeterT: WAN 3979 is going to 3979 on 192.168.0.1 TCP and UDP. Firewall allows all traffic to 192.168.0.3 on port 3979 23:53:13 <Lapsus> er, 0.3 on the forst one 23:53:17 <Lapsus> first, even 23:53:21 <PeterT> SpComb: Shouldn't it be "OPENTTD"? 23:53:27 <PeterT> not "OPEN TTD"? 23:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: hysterical raisins? 23:54:56 <PeterT> Rubidium: It seems you are using verison 1.0.0? 23:55:00 <PeterT> http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/intro/chelsona/01-original-0640x0480.png 23:55:46 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 23:56:03 <gathers> does anyone have the ITiM patch as a hq queue or in any format other than a big patch? if so I'd really appreciate a copy :) 23:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i think someone in the thread mentioned he had the queues of an older version 23:57:20 <SpComb> I need to come up with some better solution than generating these .patch's by hand 23:57:51 <Rubidium> gathers: what do you intend to do with it? The patches are over a year old and don't apply AT ALL on anything nearly recent-ish 23:58:02 <Nick> Hi everyone 23:58:17 <Yexo> hello Nick 23:58:26 <Nick> does anyone of you know a way to stop the trains slowing down when they go on a slope? 23:58:48 <Nick> I've heard of the ttd patch 23:58:50 <Yexo> try enabling realistic acceleration 23:58:52 <Nick> but im not sure 23:58:57 <Nick> alright 23:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause> gathers: parts of the logic have been included in trunk, and the GUI needs a major (if not complete) rewrite 23:59:00 <Yexo> are you actually playing openttd? 23:59:01 <gathers> Rubidium: I want to see how much he's changed the patch from magicbuzz that I'm starting from 23:59:03 <Rubidium> ttdpatch doesn't work with openttd 23:59:11 <Nick> yes 23:59:19 <Nick> what... 23:59:25 <Nick> >< 23:59:29 <Nick> damn 23:59:30 <Yexo> ok, ttdpatch is for the original transport tycoon deluxe 23:59:36 <Nick> awww 23:59:43 <Yexo> but most of it's improvements (and a lot more) are already in openttd 23:59:45 <Nick> So I have to buy it? 23:59:46 <Lapsus> So then, anyone have any ideas why I can't seem to host a visible server? 23:59:47 <Yexo> so you don't need it either 23:59:48 <Nick> ah ok 23:59:53 <Nick> thank you