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00:03:02 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:03:19 <Nite_Owl> Hello all (again) 00:04:11 <Ammler> good night Nite_Owl 00:04:31 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-82-27-6-88.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!] 00:04:47 <Nite_Owl> Later Ammler 00:04:48 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-82-27-6-88.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:05:54 <Nite_Owl> That is if you are leaving for the night - otherwise Hello Ammler 00:06:22 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4C58.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 00:10:26 <Ammler> yes, I leave... :-) 00:10:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿ãªãã] 00:15:21 <Nite_Owl> Later it is then 00:19:27 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:23:26 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@78.145.70.113] has joined #openttd 00:27:07 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 00:27:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:37 *** switchgirl [~sara@cpc5-sgyl13-0-0-cust46.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:32:40 <switchgirl> hii 00:33:05 <Nite_Owl> Hello switchgirl 00:33:28 <switchgirl> i have just realised i spent the last week not eating and i drank water like 5 times :s - so adicted to the game 00:33:37 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:48 <Nite_Owl> it can do that to you 00:33:58 <PeterT> switchgirl: try to control yourself 00:34:19 <switchgirl> i'm a woman i'm superb at control :D 00:34:48 * PeterT falls over 00:35:45 <Nite_Owl> wait until you learn the real intricacies of the game and then see how all consuming it can be 00:36:37 <switchgirl> Nite_Owl, just wondering about train signals 00:36:55 <PeterT> which ones, switchgirl 00:37:01 <Nite_Owl> which ones 00:37:18 <switchgirl> i want to have a main line and have other trains using the same stations etc 00:37:28 <switchgirl> same line even 00:38:13 <Nite_Owl> there are two types of signals - basic block signals and path signals 00:38:38 <Sacro> hmmmm 00:38:40 <Sacro> a whole week 00:38:43 <Sacro> that's impessive 00:38:46 <Sacro> i've done 32 hours solid 00:38:55 <PeterT> of what, pooping? 00:39:03 <Sacro> err no 00:39:09 <Sacro> openttd, on Brianetta's server 00:39:26 <PeterT> you've played 32 hours straight on Brianetta's server? 00:39:27 <switchgirl> Sacro, I started hallucinations 00:39:54 <Nite_Owl> path signals are generally easier to use but harder to understand while block signals are just the opposite 00:39:54 <Sacro> switchgirl: me too 00:40:03 <Sacro> i had lots of crashes 00:40:12 <Sacro> and lots of insanely designed junctions 00:40:27 <PeterT> Sacro: brianetta doesn't have a server up atm 00:41:05 <Nite_Owl> switchgirl: did you read the wiki article on signals ?? 00:41:26 <Sacro> PeterT: Yes I know :( I was an admin for a while 00:41:34 <Sacro> I miss his standard, his nightly, his deathmatch 00:41:46 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=41247 00:41:49 <Sacro> oh the memories 00:41:54 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-129-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:42:00 <switchgirl> Nite_Owl, yeah i still don't get it 00:42:19 <Sacro> switchgirl: what's your issue? 00:42:36 <Nite_Owl> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/ 00:43:16 <Nite_Owl> is also good but is not for OTTD but can still be applied 00:43:57 <Nite_Owl> there are also a lot of signaling threads on the forums 00:45:41 <Nite_Owl> for block signals the only two you really have to worry about are entry and exit signals which do what their names suggest 00:47:40 <Nite_Owl> incoming track -> entry signal -> track splits into station -> exit signals on each track (two way if it is a terminus station) 00:48:05 <switchgirl> yellow white yellow? 00:48:44 <Sacro> errm 00:48:51 <Sacro> ooh, not used presigs in ages 00:48:54 <Nite_Owl> entry are yellow across the upright\ 00:49:13 <Nite_Owl> sort of 'T' shaped 00:49:55 <Nite_Owl> exit are white while combo are yellow 00:50:24 <Nite_Owl> up and down on both - no 'T' shape 00:51:47 <Nite_Owl> path signals are either two way (no bars at all) or one way (look like entry block signals but with two lights) 00:53:44 <Nite_Owl> so to use your earlier example with block signals it would be: yellow (T shaped) -> white 00:55:36 <Sacro> switchgirl: path signals are much easier 00:58:57 <Nite_Owl> Terminus station with path signals: incoming track -> one way path signal -> track splits -> two way path signals at the edge of the station facing in to the station 01:00:30 <Nite_Owl> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48447 01:00:45 <PeterT> backups :-( 01:01:10 <Nite_Owl> give it time 01:01:56 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1C287.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:07:52 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1C287.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman_] 01:08:13 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1C287.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:09:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E7E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:27 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 01:13:19 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust478.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:14 * Sacro yawns sleepily 01:15:01 <Nite_Owl> I guess switchgirl got the point 01:20:50 *** lugo [~lugo@g226226012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:26:54 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@78.145.70.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:27:36 *** Guest224 [~bnc@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 01:28:47 *** Guest224 is now known as welshdragon 01:29:27 <Sacro> hmm, perhaps 01:29:31 <Sacro> or she's fallen asleep 01:59:19 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1E998.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:03:04 <z-MaTRiX> trallala 02:05:30 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C287.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:57 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 02:12:42 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 02:14:24 *** lugo [~lugo@g226226012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:49 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CA81.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:25 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8daee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:47 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 02:48:19 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8daee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:00:39 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:05:49 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:14:56 <switchgirl> http://wiki.openttd.org/Cheats#Allow_Electric_Trains_to_run_on_normal_track how to use the 10,00000 cheat? in the original i remember simply borrowing as much as you can and building a tunnel from one end of the map to the other 03:20:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E998.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f133:9c88:ae3:57f9] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:34:48 <SmatZ> morning 03:52:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:00:07 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01:07 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 04:06:31 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-82-27-6-88.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Don't follow me] 04:07:54 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-82-27-6-88.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74790.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:58:26 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 04:58:34 <z-MaTRiX> sálálá in the morning 05:05:18 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdragon` 05:19:33 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 06:02:51 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 06:10:53 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 06:13:50 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 06:14:08 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 06:20:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:22:18 * Alberth gets really tired of all those 'can someone compile this patch for me?' requests 06:37:49 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.17.240] has joined #openttd 06:40:22 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3E2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:45:03 <andythenorth> hi hi 06:45:18 <Yexo> good morning 06:50:46 * andythenorth wonders where to get the dos pallete :P 06:51:12 <andythenorth> found one 06:52:15 <andythenorth> hmm 06:52:39 <andythenorth> yay 07:36:03 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37:16 <Terkhen> good morning 07:37:27 <Alberth> good morning Terkhen 07:37:57 *** Yexo [~Yexo@183-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 07:40:50 <switchgirl> hoi Yexo 07:40:52 <switchgirl> :) 07:41:06 <switchgirl> goode en slappe? 07:41:31 <Yexo> hello 07:41:35 <switchgirl> aka didyou sleep well 07:41:59 <planetmaker> good morning 07:42:36 <switchgirl> i just made a coal train 100 carrages long 07:42:39 <switchgirl> :) 07:42:45 <switchgirl> it's eppic 07:47:23 *** Hyr|sleep is now known as Hyronymus 07:47:59 <Hyronymus> morning all 07:48:21 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-129-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:56 <Alberth> morning 07:51:18 * planetmaker wonders why adding a "NWidget(NWID_SPACER), SetMinimalSize(0, 4)," crashes the window... 07:51:34 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:52:21 <Yexo> did you add that within a horizontal container? 07:52:52 <planetmaker> I added it withing a WWT_TAB - which is a re-coloured WWT_INSET 07:53:17 <planetmaker> it's not the first nor the last within that container 07:55:13 <planetmaker> But somewhere further levels up in the nesting there's also a WWT_HORIZONTAL 07:56:12 <Yexo> it really was just a stab in the dark, even adding it in a horizontal container shouldn't be a problem 07:57:57 <planetmaker> I fear I can't provide a small patch to show it... 07:58:07 <planetmaker> The new game window got kinda big ;-) 07:58:16 <Alberth> there is something else wrong, I think 07:58:57 <Alberth> you assume resizing capabilities? 07:59:10 <Alberth> then you need SetResize() there as well 07:59:25 <planetmaker> Hm... no problem, when I also add SetResize(1, 1) 07:59:35 <planetmaker> so, yes, I assume that, I guess 07:59:42 <planetmaker> interesting 08:00:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:27 <Alberth> lots of code use "click_pos / this->resize.step_height" to compute a line in a panel/matrix (ie it uses the vertical resize step of the window). If you miss a resize capability somewhere however, the window cannot resize, and this->resize.step_height == 0 => crash when clicking 08:03:09 <Alberth> of course the core dump tells you exactly where it breaks :) 08:03:16 <planetmaker> well, actually even upon call of the window, but I guess that's the same 08:03:27 <planetmaker> Message: Assertion failed at line 807 of /Users/ingo/ottd/gui/src/widgets/../window_gui.h: nwid != NULL 08:03:33 <planetmaker> which is peculiar 08:03:47 <planetmaker> as it hints that a widget is used but not defined 08:04:07 <Alberth> or has the wrong class 08:04:17 <planetmaker> ah, yes, that again :-) 08:04:31 <Alberth> you only use GetWidget<>() after finishing initialization? 08:05:13 <Alberth> hmm, that is not the problem here, most likely. 08:05:22 <planetmaker> it's only used in OnPaint() 08:05:42 <Alberth> you could print the number getting retrieved, and check whether you use that widget consistently 08:05:58 <Alberth> OnPaint() should be fine 08:06:22 <Alberth> although you should have exactly one line in OnPaint() :p 08:06:42 <planetmaker> how do you mean? 08:07:34 <Alberth> this->DrawWidgets(); should be in OnPaint(), which walks through the tree to render the widgets. 08:07:43 <planetmaker> :-) 08:07:58 <Alberth> virtual void DrawWidget(const Rect &r, int widget) const gets called then for custom renderings 08:08:00 <planetmaker> The rest should be in OnClick and others 08:08:22 <planetmaker> Also like SetWidgetLoweredState and alike? 08:08:42 <planetmaker> or Disabled which depend upon certain values? 08:09:13 <Alberth> usually these values change under your control, so you can update the widgets when the values change 08:09:35 <planetmaker> Well, upon initialization they're read from the config 08:09:35 <Alberth> often such widget update code is moved to OnInvalidateData() 08:10:31 <Alberth> this->OnInvalidateData() in the constructor ? 08:11:01 <planetmaker> under which conditions is that proc called? 08:11:20 <Alberth> point is that you are wasting CPU time by setting widget states with every paint if they never change without you knowing 08:11:26 <planetmaker> or do I have to call it manually in the OnClick() 08:11:33 <Alberth> when you call the method :) 08:11:37 <planetmaker> ok 08:11:45 <planetmaker> Then it's useful to use that 08:11:53 <planetmaker> Currently the NewGame window doesn't 08:12:32 <Alberth> OnInvalidateData is also accessible from outside by some Invalidate function, useful for inter-window communication 08:12:49 <planetmaker> hm 08:13:27 <Alberth> if you don't want that, make your own Update method 08:14:17 <planetmaker> Sounds useful :-) 08:15:32 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has joined #openttd 08:15:47 <planetmaker> But I still need a boolean or so for the SaveLoadDialogue 08:16:09 <planetmaker> Or some feedback whether a valid filename was selected :-) 08:17:02 <andythenorth> Terkhen: would you mind pulling FIRS and telling me if any of the new mini-map industry colours cause you problems? 08:23:49 <Terkhen> andythenorth: not on dark green 08:24:47 <Alberth> planetmaker: extend the SaveLoadDialogue (misc_gui.cpp, around lines 1901 and 1908) with calls to your window with void InvalidateWindowData(WindowClass cls, WindowNumber number, int data) function. 08:25:06 <andythenorth> Terkhen: thanks 08:25:34 <Alberth> however, I don't know exactly where that dialogue is used, so better check its usage first 08:25:47 <planetmaker> hm, sounds useful 08:27:02 <planetmaker> but I'm not quite sure yet what data are accessible from the outside... The file name seems to be handled by some obscure mechanism currently 08:27:11 <Terkhen> andythenorth: the steel mill and the paper mill seem to have the same colour 08:27:17 <andythenorth> hmm 08:27:17 <Alberth> I can also imagine that the saveload dialogue gets a pointer to some shared data in the parent instead of the global _file_to_saveload :) 08:27:24 <planetmaker> but currently there's no need to distinguish whether one was selected or not either... 08:27:24 <Terkhen> besides that I think they are fine 08:27:36 <planetmaker> Alberth: yes, that variable, exactly 08:27:43 <andythenorth> I'm trying to stick to original map colours for original industries 08:27:51 <andythenorth> but I'm sure there's an exception here 08:28:09 <planetmaker> it writes to it 08:28:28 <planetmaker> the dialogue has only a mode as parameter which tells it what to save/load 08:29:26 <Alberth> so somewhere that data is read and initialized, near those points you should be able to find how the communication is done 08:29:50 <planetmaker> :-) 08:29:57 <Alberth> I would not be surprised if your window does not fit in the current use. 08:31:20 <planetmaker> well... yes and no 08:31:36 <planetmaker> But it was not quite designed to be used like that is my feeling 08:33:30 <planetmaker> I'll have to dive in that more :-) 08:33:41 <Alberth> the whole system is pretty much state-less with respect to the gui, that is, the system does not care whether a window happens to be open or not. Only when the user does something interesting, it gets an event. 08:34:40 <planetmaker> which makes kinda sense 08:34:41 <Alberth> that makes windows quite independent of each other, and of the simulation 08:34:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E998.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:09 <planetmaker> hm... but that means I could get the event "file selected" 08:35:31 <planetmaker> or use the handling of that event in order to cross-communicate this event to the newgame window 08:35:41 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-51-111.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:17 <Alberth> well, apparently, the event is currently communicated by writing in some location. 08:36:43 <Alberth> I have no idea how it is picked up by the simulation. 08:40:59 <Alberth> ARGH why can you not initialize a static const data member in a class by simple assignment as in "static const int v = 3;" 08:42:51 <peter1138> because it has to be annoying 08:43:11 <Alberth> it's working 08:43:23 <peter1138> assigning it outside the class is ... obvious, right? 08:43:34 <peter1138> must've made sense to somebody 08:44:21 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:45:10 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-51-111.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:49:42 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:50:56 <Alberth> Annotated C++ reference manual: "..The problem is that class declarations typically appear in header files, so a declaration like the one above will be seen by a compiler many times. ... Especially when dealing with general initializers, it is important that there is exactly one definition of an object in the program Allowing examples like the ones above would complicate separate compilation." 08:51:55 *** Mark [~a5e4c7c2@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:07:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:18:58 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 09:20:07 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA170.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:21:28 *** michaF [~root@lpzg-4db3b9b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:25 *** michaF [~root@lpzg-4db3b9b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #openttd [] 09:27:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-233-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:27:41 <Wolf01> hello 09:30:27 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 09:31:11 <Weeknie> HI Wolf01 09:31:27 <Weeknie> Everybody, make Wolf01 feel special, say hi to him!:D 09:31:40 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust478.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:34:29 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:41:09 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-5df7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:43:11 *** TB is now known as TrueBrain 09:46:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CA81.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-233-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 10:09:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CA81.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:12 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaae52.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:48 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E67E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:01 *** Mark [~a5e4c7c2@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:21:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has joined #openttd 10:38:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.176.213] has joined #openttd 10:40:34 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA170.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:28 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB45A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:51:33 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 10:55:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E998.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:44 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:09:43 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:10:51 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:25:55 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c853.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:27:32 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:28:18 *** beerface [~karl@c-76-21-77-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E67E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:58 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:47 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C225.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:56 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:55:11 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C225.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:22 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:08:16 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 12:08:19 <Wasila> Anyone here 12:08:20 <Wasila> Hei 12:08:49 <Terkhen> yes 12:09:00 * Alberth is not here 12:09:07 <Wasila> Neither is Wasila 12:09:16 <Wasila> Neither is /me 12:09:37 <Wasila> What's OwenS's username on the forums? 12:09:39 <Wasila> OwenS? 12:09:45 <OwenS> Owen 12:09:50 <Wasila> Ah good 12:09:52 <Wasila> you're here 12:09:55 <Wasila> I contacted Jupix 12:09:57 <Wasila> and GeekToo 12:10:02 <Wasila> about 32bpp compatibility 12:10:23 <Wasila> " So long as I have any pull, I will never allow separate tars for EZ and SZ. The player experience is just too dismal if we go that way again. I will look at the autocompiler script today and hopefully tomorrow's builds will be compiling without suffixes for z2 sprites. Jupix" 12:10:43 <OwenS> Excelent :) 12:10:51 <Wasila> See, we listen :) 12:11:06 <OwenS> We will no longer get people wandering in here every few days wondering why their 32-bpp sprites don't work 12:11:13 <Wasila> Glad to hear it 12:11:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-154-35.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:11:19 <Wasila> It hasn't been done yet though 12:11:29 <Wasila> Let's hope so 12:11:48 <Wasila> Owen, what packs do people tend to use? The automated one or the one on the forums? 12:12:40 <OwenS> Wasila: I don't know. I just know that it doesn't work and they come here confused 12:12:47 <Wasila> OK 12:14:26 <Alberth> Wasila: look at the pack threads to see how many people write posts 12:15:35 <Wasila> complaining about incompatibility? 12:16:08 <Alberth> (02:14:04 PM) Wasila: Owen, what packs do people tend to use? <-- I was trying to answer this question 12:16:41 * andythenorth blew up the game 12:16:47 <andythenorth> also 12:16:51 * andythenorth mehs at 32bpp 12:16:52 <Wasila> Oh right 12:16:55 <Wasila> I think it would be the manual one 12:16:58 <Wasila> since it's so much smaller 12:17:07 <Wasila> andythenorth! I'm insulted! 12:17:10 <Wasila> 32bpp is epic! 12:17:14 <Wasila> I mean bigger 12:17:14 <andythenorth> :P 12:17:17 <Wasila> It has a lot more files 12:17:19 <Xaroth> 32bpp != oldskool 12:17:22 <Wasila> Just download it and check it out 12:17:32 <Wasila> Or see the pictures 12:17:34 <Wasila> *drools* 12:17:35 <planetmaker> Wasila, you err with the file and the sprite count 12:17:44 <Wasila> Hmm? 12:17:54 <Wasila> How so 12:18:06 <planetmaker> I'd bet there's WAY less 32bpp sprites than 8bpp 12:18:15 <Wasila> What do you mean? 12:18:15 <planetmaker> Even if you only count base sprites and dismiss newgrfs 12:18:27 <Wasila> I'm saying that the pack on the forums is larger than Jupix's automated one 12:18:36 <Wasila> They're both 32bpp 12:18:52 <planetmaker> yes, and most probable the forum one is bound to fail 12:18:57 <Wasila> ^ 12:19:02 <Wasila> It's a temporary solution 12:19:19 <Wasila> And if we can get the automated one to be compatible with trunk 12:19:21 <Wasila> Then all the more so 12:19:38 <planetmaker> eh? 12:19:53 <Wasila> We were discussing how to make the 32bpp regular zoom graphics compatible 12:19:59 <Wasila> the z2 sprites in the repository 12:20:08 <Wasila> so that you can use them with trunk 12:20:20 <planetmaker> ah. finally :-) 12:20:32 <Wasila> See! All you had to do was ask :P 12:23:16 <planetmaker> <Wasila> 32bpp is epic! 12:23:16 <planetmaker> <Wasila> I mean bigger <-- and my initial statement referred to that - and holds still true 12:23:32 * OwenS has a heisenbug :( 12:23:35 <Wasila> ?? 12:23:43 <Wasila> No! 12:23:49 <Wasila> When I said 'I mean bigger; 12:23:52 <PeterT> <Wasila> Anyone here <-- 12:23:54 <PeterT> @topic get -1 12:23:54 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Don't ask to ask, just ask 12:24:05 <Wasila> I was referring to when I had said the manual pack was smaller 12:24:07 <Wasila> I meant bigger 12:24:15 <planetmaker> :-) 12:24:26 <PeterT> :D 12:24:29 <planetmaker> that context was not quite clear then 12:24:35 <Wasila> Sowwee 12:24:37 <planetmaker> anyway, it's sorted 12:24:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E998.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:25:52 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C225.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:32 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 12:27:09 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 12:27:32 <Wasila> planetmaker: didn't you help organise the OpenGFX project> 12:27:32 <Wasila> ? 12:27:52 <planetmaker> I still do 12:28:14 <Wasila> Are the graphics still being improved? 12:29:16 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 12:29:21 <planetmaker> I just release the very same thing every now and then with an up'ed version number 12:29:34 <Wasila> :) 12:30:06 <Wasila> We could use a hand over at 32bpp 12:30:09 <Ammler> pm is a release junkie 12:30:23 <planetmaker> I don't have time for that, Wasila 12:30:51 <planetmaker> Or I'd need to make clones 12:30:51 <Wasila> O. 12:30:53 <Wasila> OK 12:30:55 <Wasila> Just wondering 12:30:58 <Wasila> That'd be a good idea! 12:31:06 <Ammler> jupix does a good job there, imo 12:31:16 <planetmaker> ^ 12:31:19 <Wasila> I suppose the organisational area is not where we're lacking 12:31:26 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:31:32 <Wasila> But we could do with a more inspiring figure 12:31:46 <planetmaker> become one ;-) 12:31:59 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 12:32:33 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:32:33 <Wasila> Was that what you were doing? 12:32:38 <Wasila> Forcing the artists to get on with it 12:32:39 <Wasila> ? 12:32:42 <Sacro> switchgirl: ctrl+alt+c iirc 12:32:42 <planetmaker> but I think indeed that maquinista and Jupix are doing a decent job 12:32:52 <planetmaker> You cannot force anyone 12:32:58 <planetmaker> It won't work 12:33:09 <planetmaker> What you can do is be quick with coding. 12:33:12 <planetmaker> Showing what you coded 12:33:18 <planetmaker> Making it decently available 12:33:18 <andythenorth> it's funny, in 8bpp newgrf-land, 'organisers' outnumber 'artists' by about 10:1.... 12:33:33 <andythenorth> ....and artists:coders is also about 10:1 12:33:35 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8d77:e769:508f:a33b] has joined #openttd 12:33:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:33:43 <Wasila> Yet the work gets done 12:33:52 <andythenorth> hmm....so organisers:coders is about 100:1 :P 12:33:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth, the latter number is certainly right. The first... yeah... 1:1 is also already a lot :-) 12:34:02 <Wasila> Something wrong there :P 12:34:17 <Wasila> I don't think coding is a real problem 12:34:17 <planetmaker> as there are little organizers needed ;-) 12:34:29 <Wasila> We've got most of the work coded already 12:34:46 <planetmaker> then why does nearly no 32bpp work with trunk? ;-) 12:35:09 <Wasila> Because of the _z2 taggedo n at thend 12:35:14 <Wasila> doesn't work with trunk 12:35:17 <Wasila> that's something being dealt with 12:35:21 <Ammler> or at least support both 12:35:35 <Wasila> Hopefully the automated build will be compatible as of tonight 12:35:37 <Wasila> That's up to Jupix 12:35:59 <Wasila> Perhaps if it was compatible more artists would be willing to help out 12:36:21 <glx> probably 12:36:21 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has joined #openttd 12:36:29 <planetmaker> Possibly 12:36:40 <planetmaker> I won't install the patch just to look at graphics ingame 12:36:55 <Wasila> I hope so 12:37:26 <Wasila> http://jupix.info/openttd/gfxdev-nightlies/ 12:37:29 <Wasila> That's the automated build 12:37:54 <Wasila> It should come out around six tonight GMT 12:37:58 <Wasila> that should be compatible 12:38:54 <planetmaker> When it works, when it's available: make a posting in tt-forums in the appropriate thread. Show two screenies and link directly the download 12:38:59 <planetmaker> that helps :-) 12:39:24 * andythenorth browses 32bpp forum 12:40:05 <Wasila> Will do 12:40:17 <Wasila> Maybe we should upload it to the Automated Content System too 12:40:22 <Wasila> It might be too large 12:40:24 <andythenorth> 32bpp is cute....especially when the models are more toylike 12:40:36 <andythenorth> it lacks a certain nostalgia for me though :) 12:41:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:41:38 <Wasila> Well you can always go back 12:41:42 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:41:45 <Wasila> The problem is that there are no standards to 12:41:45 <Wasila> o 12:41:53 <Wasila> So it's not really a 'set' yet 12:42:07 <andythenorth> the best sets have one or two people with a vision of what they want... 12:42:30 <Wasila> Unfortunately I don't know the numbers 12:42:56 <Wasila> I mean, I don't know the details of how sprites work 12:43:08 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 12:44:45 <Wasila> Anyway, I'm off 12:44:47 <Wasila> Bye 12:45:05 <planetmaker> Wasila, most importantly it doesn't fit any bananas category 12:45:07 <planetmaker> bye 12:45:15 <Wasila> Base sets? 12:45:28 <planetmaker> it's not a base set 12:45:33 <Wasila> Well, it's close 12:45:34 <Weeknie> Yexo, you're here? 12:45:43 <andythenorth> @seen Yexo 12:45:43 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: Yexo was last seen in #openttd 4 hours, 49 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <Yexo> it really was just a stab in the dark, even adding it in a horizontal container shouldn't be a problem 12:45:53 <Yexo> Weeknie: yes 12:45:59 <planetmaker> Weeknie, ask. Don't ask if someone's here... it's annoying 12:46:20 <Yexo> but what planetmaker says, if you want to ask me something just be sure to highlight me and I'll answer when i see it 12:46:27 <Wasila> Anyway, byee 12:46:28 <andythenorth> if you can auto-complete the nick, they're probably here.... 12:46:30 <Weeknie> Hmm ok 12:46:31 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 12:46:33 <Weeknie> Sorry for that then 12:46:34 <glx> unless he's not in the list :) 12:46:43 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:44 <Weeknie> glx, I figured that much, thank you:p 12:46:49 <planetmaker> but that's obvious then ;-) 12:46:55 <andythenorth> what was the question? 12:47:04 <planetmaker> and people who're here will read it later, if you highlight the line with the question 12:47:23 <planetmaker> andythenorth, "how can I ask a question" :-P 12:47:37 <Weeknie> Anyway, Yexo, I've been looking at the example nfo in http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation, but tbh, I don't understand any of it 12:47:54 <Weeknie> I mean, is this how I should be writing it or what am I missing here? 12:48:03 <Yexo> I suggest you try some other nfo first, a small vehicle grf or something like that 12:48:05 <Zuu> Weeknie: You probably need to get some basic NewGRF undestanding first. 12:48:36 <Yexo> airport nfo makes very heavy use of advanced varaction2, which is one of the hardest parts of nfo to understand 12:48:49 <planetmaker> Basic newgrf understanding will help indeed much 12:49:06 <Weeknie> Hmm ok 12:49:27 <Weeknie> But tbh, form what I'm seeing here (reading the comments), it doesn't look like I'll be able to do what I want to with the statemachine:P 12:49:35 <Weeknie> Oh well, let's start with the other stuff first 12:50:10 <Yexo> what do you want to do with the statemachine? 12:50:47 <Weeknie> Erm, well 12:50:59 <Weeknie> I described it in my own topic, planetmaker reacted to that, lemme get the link 12:51:29 <Weeknie> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=48434, my 2nd post 12:53:00 <Yexo> it's a fair bit of work, but it's possible to implement that 12:53:18 <Weeknie> I know it probs would be 12:53:25 <Weeknie> But would it be possible with one of those nfo's? 12:54:06 <Yexo> yes, that is what I ment 12:54:45 <Weeknie> Hmm well 12:56:04 <Weeknie> I guess I'll start by reading up on those nfo's 13:08:59 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 13:09:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 13:13:46 <Jupix> what's the correct (legacy) naming scheme for z2 32bpp mask sprites? xxxxm.png? 13:14:26 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 13:14:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:15:08 *** George is now known as Guest273 13:16:06 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:53 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:21:04 *** Guest90 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:27 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 13:28:06 <Weeknie> grf wizard works just as well for openTTD as it does for TTDPatch right? 13:29:05 <Ammler> why should you use grf wizard for openttd? 13:29:09 <Alberth> the NewGRF format is the same for both programs, yes 13:29:32 <Weeknie> Ammler, what else would I use 13:29:36 <Weeknie> ? 13:29:51 <Ammler> I would use it for (new)grfs 13:30:06 <Weeknie> Oh sigh, not now please... 13:30:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:21 <Weeknie> I'm trying to understand this stuff, don't need people whining about my grammer right now:P 13:30:36 <Ammler> hmm? 13:31:22 <Weeknie> Or was your question geniune?:P 13:31:41 <Ammler> yes, it was serious, sorry. 13:31:56 <__ln__> Weeknie: *grammar 13:31:56 <Weeknie> Lol, sorry here too;) 13:32:04 <Weeknie> __ln__ shut up:P 13:36:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:45:00 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has left #openttd [] 13:48:12 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has joined #openttd 13:48:51 <Weeknie> When GRFWizard asks for the TTD path, I should just link it to the root folder of OpenTTD right? 13:50:56 <planetmaker> You might try NML instead of plain NFO or GRFWizard 13:50:58 <planetmaker> :-) 13:51:25 <planetmaker> more versatile than GRFWizard and better readable than plain NFO 13:51:43 <Weeknie> NML is the full name? 13:51:51 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml 13:52:09 <planetmaker> it could be said to stand for nfo meta language. 13:52:22 <Weeknie> Hmm right 13:52:24 <planetmaker> But... as it meanwhile can write grf directly it's a bit obsolete 13:52:48 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C225.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:49 <Ammler> (the name) 13:53:09 <planetmaker> yes, the name only :-) 13:53:30 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfxplus is a - granted - simple example of how it works 13:53:42 <Mazur> Ah. Important distinction. 13:53:42 <Ammler> nobody here knows GRFWizard, I would guess... 13:54:12 <Ammler> it sounds like a prenewgrf tool 13:54:22 <planetmaker> Also: NML allows to use nice units - which makes things easy with the action0 13:54:34 * Mazur knows Gandalf. Merlin. Such wizards. 13:55:33 <planetmaker> Weeknie, if you want to start new with writing NewGRF it's something I'd honestly recommend to look at 13:55:40 <planetmaker> It has the biggest potential :-) 13:55:52 <Weeknie> So I should look at NML 13:55:52 <Weeknie> Ok 13:55:59 <planetmaker> And is the only newgrf programme which really is actively maintained by more than a half person 13:56:08 <Weeknie> I can se that lol 13:56:13 <Weeknie> Has revisions from yesterday ^_^ 13:56:20 <planetmaker> it's not old. 13:56:33 <planetmaker> it currently gets revisions very frequently. It's not even finished 13:56:53 <planetmaker> It even might require you from time to time to change some things as NML itself changes 13:57:16 <planetmaker> But programming in it goes quite smoothly :-) 13:57:23 <Weeknie> Well I like the fact that it's python 13:57:28 <Weeknie> Atleast I can run that stuff 13:57:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E1D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:38 <Weeknie> Though 1 problem, how do I get the files? 13:59:14 <planetmaker> easiest is via mercurial checkout 13:59:20 <planetmaker> That makes it easy to update it, too 13:59:30 <Weeknie> Lol, anoter version management system 13:59:32 <planetmaker> mercurial is a python-based version control system 13:59:44 <planetmaker> yet another? 13:59:57 <Weeknie> Yeah, had git installed for a previous open source project 14:00:01 <Weeknie> Subversion for openTTD itself 14:00:06 <Weeknie> And now Mercurial for NML:P 14:00:10 <ashb> gotta catch them all 14:00:14 <planetmaker> use also mercurial for OpenTTD 14:00:22 <Weeknie> Why that? 14:00:31 <planetmaker> it's actually recommended unless you're core dev :-) 14:00:37 <planetmaker> you then have the full history locally 14:00:48 <Weeknie> ? 14:00:59 <planetmaker> and it's easier on some things like maintaining patch queues and alike 14:01:16 <planetmaker> you have all OpenTTD revisions within that repository. 14:01:17 <Weeknie> Well never heard of that stuff before lol 14:01:26 <planetmaker> svn needs online connection in order to change the checked out version 14:01:41 <planetmaker> the difference between a centralized CVS and a distributed one 14:02:02 <Rubidium> planetmaker: mercurial too if you want to update, which is what 99% of the users only do 14:02:06 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/225778 <--- the complex stuff in NML :-) 14:02:36 <planetmaker> Rubidium, yes, of course it needs to be online for an update. 14:02:58 <Rubidium> so why download 5 years of history in 99% of the cases if you're not going to use it? 14:03:04 <planetmaker> But it's helpful if you play around with versions :-) Or clone locally in order to different things in different checkouts 14:03:05 <Zuu> hmm, does NML needs to be updated maually by someone when the nfo spec changes? 14:03:23 <planetmaker> Zuu, hu? 14:04:04 <Zuu> Eg. do you or someone else who work on NML need to update it when a new property etc. is added to the nfo spec? 14:04:15 <planetmaker> yes 14:04:20 <planetmaker> it will need updating, too 14:04:26 <Yexo> yes, there is no way around that (at least not for action0 properties) 14:04:46 <Yexo> for new varaction2 variables no update is needed 14:05:24 <SpComb> tsk, NML is missing the testcases :( 14:05:51 <planetmaker> SpComb, for now. 14:06:12 <planetmaker> but test cases are missing for every grf producing programme 14:06:14 <andythenorth> hmmm 14:06:33 <andythenorth> FIRS question....."Lumber Treatment Plant"...might need a better name.... 14:06:49 <planetmaker> but it's one of the items to be added, SpComb : a test suit to check for sanity of the output 14:06:53 <andythenorth> it treats lumber with creosote and other chemicals, and produces engineering structures from timber 14:07:08 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: ^ you normally have an opinion on FIRS industries :) 14:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> how about "processing"? 14:07:42 <andythenorth> I thought of "Timber Engineering", but it's nice to make it obvious that it uses Lumber cargo 14:07:48 <andythenorth> "Lumber Processor"? 14:07:51 <Weeknie> Lol 14:07:54 <Weeknie> Lumber processing plant 14:07:56 <Weeknie> Sounds good to me 14:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not entirely sure what it does... 14:08:41 <Weeknie> Planetmaker, what's the repo url for NML? 14:08:52 <Weeknie> Can't seem to find it on the site 14:08:55 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: it's a slightly made up industry to provide another source of ENSP 14:09:09 <Alberth> andythenorth: it does more than a lumber mill? 14:09:44 <andythenorth> yes 14:09:51 <SpComb> hmm 14:10:20 <SpComb> the constants like CC_PASSENGERS or whatever are defined inside the parser? 14:10:23 <Ammler> download of nml tip: http://hg.openttdcoop.org/nml/archive/tip.tar.bz2 14:10:40 <Weeknie> Thank you Ammler;) 14:10:59 <andythenorth> here we go: http://www.txgenweb4.org/txbowie/photos/Pics3/Bldg9.jpg 14:11:12 <andythenorth> "Southern Tie and Timber Treating" 14:11:13 <planetmaker> or hg clone http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/nml 14:11:34 <andythenorth> or "International Creosote & Construction Co" 14:11:35 <andythenorth> :) 14:11:35 <planetmaker> SpComb, yes, they are 14:11:47 <planetmaker> cargo classes are part of the nfo specification 14:11:57 <planetmaker> cargo short names are not 14:12:12 * SpComb wonders if they could be externalized to library-style data files 14:12:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: a lumber mill processes wood into lumber 14:12:30 <SpComb> also missing the 'include' functionaliy, as far as I can see :) 14:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: this industry processes lumber into "engineering supplies" or so i understood 14:13:02 <andythenorth> yup 14:13:15 <andythenorth> could just be "Lumber Yard" 14:13:16 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumber_yard 14:13:38 <andythenorth> That will probably make it obvious enough 14:14:06 <SpComb> nor any namespacing 14:14:15 <Weeknie> planetmaker, what's the entry point for the whole nml app, or is there some page on how to use it? 14:14:17 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: does that work for you? I'm about to change it in about 5 places.... :) 14:14:26 <Weeknie> Oh wait 14:14:30 <Weeknie> nvm..., sorry:P 14:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that sounds alright 14:14:51 * andythenorth goes to the code 14:15:17 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if you use pnfo or similar, you can make it a #define and have it changable in one place ;) 14:15:17 <andythenorth> as the code won't come to me :P 14:15:23 <andythenorth> it is 14:15:24 <Alberth> I'd rather make some goods out of it, I think :p 14:15:40 <andythenorth> but there is also a website, a local filesystem etc.... 14:16:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19826 /trunk/src/lang/italian.txt: -Add: extra gender to Italian 14:16:15 <andythenorth> Alberth: you can use the Furniture Factory in that case. However goods are currently pointless (apart from getting paid) :P 14:16:53 <Alberth> oh, getting money is not the objective of the game? :p 14:17:00 <Eddi|zuHause> goods need a town-feedback-mechanism, which is outside the scope of a newgrf 14:17:37 <andythenorth> for now.... 14:18:08 <andythenorth> town growth/shrink cargos (both collect and deliver) should be exposed to newgrf 14:18:16 <planetmaker> Weeknie, it works command line 14:18:32 <planetmaker> Look at ogfxplus on how I call it there in the Makefile 14:18:52 <Weeknie> erm, what do you mean? 14:18:54 <planetmaker> but nml has a command line help, too 14:19:12 <planetmaker> it has no GUI 14:19:20 <Weeknie> That I got 14:19:25 <Weeknie> But what do you mean with the 2nd thing you said? 14:20:03 <Weeknie> I should just run setup.py build and then install? 14:20:22 <Zuu> Have you read the wiki? 14:20:41 <Weeknie> I'm looking at it right now 14:20:45 <Weeknie> all it sais is that I need to install ply 14:20:46 <Weeknie> And that's about it 14:23:12 <Zuu> "To start, just run main.py ('python main.py')" 14:23:20 <Weeknie> Yeah, there's no main.py 14:23:27 <Ammler> nml2nfo 14:24:16 <Weeknie> why isn't htat file called nml2nfo? 14:24:40 <planetmaker> you'll need ply and PIL modules 14:24:45 <Zuu> btw, how do you install ply. Shall I run setup.py as administrator in windows or can I just put the files in the ply dir in the nml checkout dir? (I'm not a python coder) 14:25:00 <Weeknie> run setup.py build and then setup.py install 14:25:05 <Weeknie> That'll put the stuff where it needs to go 14:25:09 <Weeknie> Atleast that's what I figure 14:25:19 <planetmaker> you might want to do the install as admin 14:25:49 <Zuu> indeed, without admin rights it won't be able to put the files in the phyton dir in Program Files. 14:26:02 <Weeknie> It can over here 14:26:07 <Weeknie> But I disabled UAC 14:26:21 <Weeknie> Nor is my python dir in program files, but that's details 14:26:50 <Weeknie> Oh good, I already have PIL 14:28:44 <Alberth> Zuu: just copying the files should work 14:28:46 <Weeknie> planetmaker, I don't think it'll hurt when I change nml2nfo to nml2nfo.py right? 14:29:43 <planetmaker> it does 14:29:44 <Alberth> Zuu: I am not even sure ply has an official way of installing :) 14:29:57 <planetmaker> it's a shell script, not a python script 14:30:27 <Weeknie> erm, planetmaker 14:30:36 <Weeknie> Only the first line isn't python 14:30:38 <Weeknie> The rest is python 14:30:42 <planetmaker> Alberth, Zuu in my case I just installed it by means of my packet managers 14:30:49 * andythenorth ponders writing advanced varaction 2 so that dates, speeds etc can be expressed in sane numbers, not fractions or multiples 14:30:56 <Weeknie> the first line is to indicate this should be executed with python 14:31:09 <planetmaker> Weeknie, yes. 14:31:10 <Alberth> planetmaker: much better to let a package manager do it :) 14:31:23 * andythenorth rediscovers date escapes 14:31:26 <planetmaker> Which makes it a shell script and which is the whole sense of it. 14:31:38 <Weeknie> Yeah right, the problem is windows doesn't understand it 14:31:48 <Weeknie> NOr dues /usr/bin/env exist under windows 14:31:52 <Zuu> hmm, let see if cygwin can handle this for me 14:31:53 <Weeknie> So I'll change it to py and remove the first line 14:32:07 <Weeknie> I don't se how that should hurt anything? 14:32:09 <planetmaker> Zuu, it works afaik. 14:32:11 <Alberth> Weeknie: the first line starts with #, so it is a comment for Python 14:32:13 <planetmaker> Weeknie, I don't know 14:32:27 <Weeknie> Alberth, that's right, forgot about that;) 14:32:34 <Zuu> cygwin does not seem to have ply. 14:32:44 <planetmaker> well. not by default 14:32:52 <Alberth> as long as you don't want to run the script as a shell script, it should work 14:33:19 <Alberth> www.dabeaz.com/ply/ 14:33:35 <Weeknie> anyway, my parser isn't complaining, so I'll leave it like this 14:33:39 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 14:33:50 <Zuu> Weeknie: In windows I usually have the first line as "#!ruby" in my ruby scripts and have ruby.exe in PATH, similar should work also for phyton. 14:34:29 <Weeknie> And what's the file name 14:34:40 <Weeknie> As long as it doesn't have an extension, my windows won't execute it 14:35:37 <Weeknie> Oh well w/e, it's working and I'm keeping it this way:p 14:36:07 <Weeknie> But then 14:36:52 <Weeknie> erm, right 14:36:53 <Alberth> Zuu: is that line used in windows? I thought it was just the extension. 14:37:07 <Weeknie> I still need grf wizard and such, don't I planetmaker? 14:37:39 <Zuu> well, I need it when I run my ruby files from bash eg ./some_file.rb 14:38:04 <Weeknie> That's from bash 14:38:05 <Zuu> which is maybe not particulary standard Windows, but possible if you have bash in Windows. 14:38:07 <Weeknie> Not the windows cammandline 14:38:12 <Weeknie> commandline* 14:38:50 <SpComb> or just `ruby somefile.rb` 14:39:10 <Weeknie> even somefile.py works here 14:39:15 <Alberth> Oh, you use bash with windows. Yeah, then the line could be relevant. 14:39:19 <Weeknie> Just associate the .py files with the pythong parser 14:39:42 <Zuu> "somefile.py" won't work in bash, but in windows cli. 14:39:52 <Zuu> but it is all details... 14:40:08 <Weeknie> Now it works and I'm happy 14:40:09 <Weeknie> ish 14:40:28 <Alberth> Zuu: with Linux, #! is a kernel thing, not a shell thing :) 14:44:17 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA170.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:47:06 <planetmaker> on. 14:47:06 <planetmaker> <Weeknie> I still need grf wizard and such, don't I planetmaker? <-- you don't 14:47:56 <Weeknie> So how do I do thinkgs like decode grf's, and combine nfo's and gcx (or those graphics things anyway) to grf's? 14:47:57 *** lolman [~lolman@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:03 <planetmaker> run NML on the source and you'll get a grf 14:49:14 <planetmaker> it can't de-code, though 14:49:47 <planetmaker> but that's something grfwizard can't do either. Or can it? 14:50:04 <planetmaker> besides it's never been fun to read de-coded NFO 14:50:15 <planetmaker> better get the sources 14:50:21 <Weeknie> grfwizard can decode 14:50:23 <Weeknie> Butok 14:50:25 <Weeknie> but ok* 14:52:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:52:12 *** lolman [~lolman@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:58:56 <Weeknie> planetmaker, how do you generate a grf with NML? You said "run it on the source", but what do you mean by that/ 14:58:57 <Weeknie> ?* 15:01:28 <planetmaker> you never worked with any command line programme and only clicky-colourfully, eh? 15:02:10 <planetmaker> nml2nfo myNMLfile.nml 15:02:15 <andythenorth> anyone here who doesn't know what a pit prop is? 15:02:18 <Weeknie> Lol, I have used that 15:02:26 * planetmaker rises hand @ andythenorth 15:02:32 * Alberth raises hand 15:02:35 * Weeknie too 15:02:36 <andythenorth> what about a fence post? 15:02:40 <planetmaker> yes 15:02:43 <Weeknie> Not sure about htat one:P 15:02:50 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:02:56 <Alberth> I have heard of that one :) 15:02:56 <Weeknie> It's a pole that's part of a fence right? 15:03:09 <Alberth> yep 15:03:18 <Weeknie> Then I have heard of it too 15:03:41 <Wasila> hi 15:03:48 <Weeknie> Hi wasila 15:04:05 <Wasila> How's it going? 15:04:30 <Weeknie> I'm trying to learn newgrf stuff, but planetmaker seems to be getting enough of me:P (sorry for that) 15:04:41 <Weeknie> So I'll just go quiet and start reading 15:06:16 <andythenorth> how's this.... 15:06:21 <andythenorth> "Lumber Yard - Produces items such as fence posts, poles and beams" 15:06:25 <andythenorth> ? 15:06:43 <Wasila> Is this for the wiki 15:06:44 <Wasila> ?/ 15:06:49 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-5df7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:52 <Alberth> goods :p 15:06:58 <planetmaker> sounds fine, andythenorth 15:07:01 <andythenorth> Wasila: it's in game 15:07:06 <andythenorth> in the industry window(s) 15:07:12 <Wasila> Oh 15:07:14 <Wasila> Sounds good 15:07:18 <andythenorth> Alberth: has a goods fixation 15:07:37 <Wasila> How about 'produces wood-related goods' :P 15:07:58 <Alberth> a nice catch-all cargo :p 15:07:58 <andythenorth> confusing because Wood is a cargo....but this industry neither accepts nor produces it :) 15:08:12 <Wasila> Accepts wood, produces goods, no? 15:08:24 <Alberth> Wasila: no, no 15:08:24 <andythenorth> accepts lumber and chemicals, produces engineering supplies :) 15:08:31 <Wasila> Oh this is for FIRS 15:08:37 <Wasila> So what does wood do? 15:08:37 <andythenorth> yup 15:08:41 <andythenorth> wood is wood 15:08:42 <Wasila> if that's a good too? 15:08:48 <Wasila> I mean, what industries use it? 15:08:51 <andythenorth> wood comes from forests 15:08:57 <andythenorth> forest -> paper mill 15:09:01 <andythenorth> forest -> lumber mill 15:09:08 <Alberth> aka 'chopped trees' :) 15:09:18 <Wasila> OK 15:09:22 <Wasila> That's why I don't use FIRS xD 15:09:24 <andythenorth> confusingly, depending on what continent you are on, wood, timber and lumber all mean different things :) 15:09:28 <Wasila> Switching to another climate is confusing enough for me! 15:09:40 <Wasila> Got to go 15:09:42 <andythenorth> Wasila: you can be a tester for "FIRS Basic" when it's ready 15:09:42 <Wasila> bye 15:09:46 <Wasila> OK 15:09:48 <Wasila> PM me 15:10:00 <Wasila> How long will it take to complete? 15:10:03 <Wasila> Do you know? 15:10:18 <Alberth> hopefully less than infinitely 15:11:18 <andythenorth> depends on the type of infinity, and whether you apply Zeno's Paradox to it 15:11:37 <Alberth> I'll leave that up to you :) 15:12:18 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes 15:12:21 <Alberth> but Zeno's paradox is a bit difficult if the smallest unit is a byte, isn't it? 15:12:35 <andythenorth> indeed 15:12:48 <andythenorth> otherwise I'd never get anything done :P 15:12:59 <Wasila> Paradoxes make my head heart 15:13:00 <andythenorth> I'd be dividing the work into infinitely many steps 15:13:24 <Wasila> I better pull out before you explode the time-space continuum or something like that by mistake 15:13:27 <Wasila> Cya! 15:13:33 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:14:13 <andythenorth> Sometimes FIRS does seem like a black hole of time.... 15:14:15 <andythenorth> my time 15:15:04 <Alberth> it probably is, to some extent, you can endlessly change and optimize it. Not to mention do pixel improvements. 15:15:12 <andythenorth> Terkhen: did you see the discussion about Lumber Yard? Got a cargo chains design question.... 15:16:03 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.17.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:14 <Alberth> he didn't react to my highlight an hour ago, so it may take some time before he responds 15:16:29 <Weeknie> Does anyone have any sources of for instance a vehicle? 15:16:53 <andythenorth> Weeknie: in nml or nfo? 15:17:06 <planetmaker> Weeknie, I pointed you already at ogfxplus as a simple example 15:17:48 <Weeknie> oh sorry planetmaker, missed that then I think 15:18:25 <planetmaker> same urls as nml - but nml replaced by ogfxplus 15:18:48 <Weeknie> I see yeah 15:18:59 <planetmaker> if you need NFO you might checkout the logic engine somewhere found on that site, too 15:19:15 <Weeknie> No need for the NFO, if the NML works;) 15:19:31 <planetmaker> besides NML can write NFO, too ;-) 15:19:54 <planetmaker> but mainly for NML debugging purposes 15:20:58 *** welshdragon` is now known as welshdragon 15:22:01 <Terkhen> andythenorth: okay, I'll check it later 15:22:27 <andythenorth> Terkhen: okay, I'll ask my question later :) 15:34:14 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 15:34:27 <Weeknie> hi z-MaTRiX 15:40:35 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-129-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:44:40 <Weeknie> Hmm, I was reading http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=TheFirstVehicle, but it looks like that's not what I'd want to read when using NML, is it? 15:45:09 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:46:35 <Yexo> there is currently next to no documentation about nml, so I'd advise you to read up on the nfo specs first 15:46:48 <Yexo> if you want to do openttd coding related to newgrfs that is a very useful start 15:47:01 <Weeknie> Ok, I'll continue reading then 15:47:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:00 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 15:50:32 <planetmaker> maybe I should start with some documentation on NML somewhen 15:51:01 <Weeknie> The only documentation that's there is a little about general vehicle properties 15:51:03 <Weeknie> 5 of em 15:56:09 <planetmaker> yes 15:56:26 <Weeknie> This NFO stuff is hard to get through lol 15:56:31 <planetmaker> yes :-P 15:56:37 <planetmaker> the reason for NML to be born 15:57:46 <Weeknie> Yeah:P 15:58:06 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:58:12 <Weeknie> But I'm really beginning to doubt it would be possible to implement the thing I want in those NFO's, or NML for that matter 15:59:01 <planetmaker> not now 15:59:14 <planetmaker> or wasn't it you with the airport thingies? 15:59:38 <Weeknie> no no, it was me with the airport thingies:P 16:00:16 <planetmaker> of course it's not yet possible 16:00:25 <planetmaker> it's not implemented, and as such not documented 16:01:02 <planetmaker> that's what the airports branch is about: defining such specs so that something written in NFO or NML can create much more flexible airports 16:01:16 <planetmaker> not by the player, but by the newgrf authors 16:01:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:02:03 <Weeknie> tbh I fail to see how such a thing could be implemented through NFO's or NML anyway 16:02:07 <Weeknie> It's quite complex 16:03:36 <planetmaker> you don't know yet how complex industries, vehicles or houses might be, I guess :-) 16:03:47 <planetmaker> it's not just graphics 16:04:00 <Weeknie> I know that 16:04:01 <planetmaker> and some properties like speed or accepted cargo 16:04:26 <planetmaker> the FIRS industry set has like 10k lines of code. Plus graphics definitions 16:05:02 <planetmaker> yes, andythenorth , you wrote already that much ^ :-) 16:05:33 <Weeknie> now that I think about it, I also fail to see how they would be able to implement the increasing of production with only NFO's/NML too 16:05:41 <Weeknie> but they did it somehow:P 16:06:25 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.17.240] has joined #openttd 16:06:31 <planetmaker> (var)action2 16:06:33 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr_] 16:06:44 <planetmaker> that's the key to all those vehicle and industry magic 16:06:59 <planetmaker> choice as a function of diverse parameters and variables 16:07:11 <planetmaker> which depend upon the current game state 16:08:39 <Weeknie> Then how does the inside of the parser (I'll just call it that for now) work, does it take all those lines and evaluate them all every game tick? 16:09:24 <OwenS> Weeknie: No. It executes things which asked to be executed 16:09:26 <planetmaker> that depends 16:09:34 <planetmaker> as OwenS says 16:09:54 <planetmaker> e.g. production is only decided 8 or 9 times a month 16:09:58 <andythenorth> planetmaker: mostly the CPP wrote that much :P 16:10:01 <planetmaker> production change only once a month 16:10:11 <planetmaker> andythenorth, no. It's the source code 16:10:15 <planetmaker> not the generated NFO 16:10:19 <planetmaker> *pnfo 16:10:25 <andythenorth> copy and paste :P 16:10:53 <planetmaker> hardly :-) You avoid that quite well using templates 16:14:25 <Weeknie> But in case it was needed, the line could be checked every quarter of a day or something in that general direction? 16:14:41 <andythenorth> Weeknie: what are you trying to achieve? 16:14:41 <planetmaker> no 16:15:05 <andythenorth> i.e. what are you trying to do to what items, when? 16:15:46 <Weeknie> Erm, well, I'm trying to think out my idea a little along the lines of this system 16:16:40 <Weeknie> The problem I had right now was that I wouldn't know how to make an airplane land as soon as the runway is clear 16:17:05 <Weeknie> Because basically you'd have to check every so many time (with not too big intervals) whether the runway was empty 16:17:14 <andythenorth> ok, but can you articulate your objective? Maybe I missed a message somewhere.... 16:17:22 <Weeknie> I'm gonna have dinner now 16:17:26 <Weeknie> I'll do that when I get back;) 16:17:27 <planetmaker> Weeknie, OpenTTD has to make sure that the checks are called when needed 16:17:40 <planetmaker> The NewGRFs need to decide what they return 16:25:43 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:27:57 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 16:30:30 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 16:34:48 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 16:49:33 <fonsinchen> btw, a cheap trick to get an uncompressed version of a savegame is writing every byte to cerr from SlReadByteInternal 16:49:53 <fonsinchen> Took me some time to find the right place and then 10 seconds to implement it. 16:50:13 <fonsinchen> I guess I 16:50:22 <fonsinchen> 'll put that on the wiki somewhere 16:50:35 <planetmaker> one could just gunzip a savegame? 16:51:29 <fonsinchen> I think gunzip needs some headers 16:51:49 <fonsinchen> the content of which is implied in OpenTTD 16:51:50 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: you can just set the compression method in the config file... 16:52:06 <fonsinchen> but then you can't look at an existing save 16:53:10 <fonsinchen> the case was that I had a big pile of desync debug saves and they were all different 16:53:16 <glx> load and save ;) 16:53:19 <fonsinchen> and was wondering what exactly was different 16:53:39 <fonsinchen> gllx: doesn't work if there is a bug in the saveload code 16:53:53 <glx> ha 16:53:54 <fonsinchen> which there was 16:55:06 <Weeknie> Andythenorth, I'm back, so what exactly did you want to know? 16:55:09 <Weeknie> Wasn't really sure 16:57:07 <Weeknie> Oh, brb 16:57:08 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has left #openttd [] 16:57:15 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has joined #openttd 16:57:18 <Weeknie> Ther 17:02:42 <andythenorth> Weeknie: I wasn't sure what you were trying to do with nfo / nml....it helps us to help if we understand your goal 17:03:43 <Weeknie> Erm well, 3rd post in this topic explains it I think 17:03:43 <Weeknie> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=48434 17:06:05 <andythenorth> ah....that makes sense, but I think you'll be waiting for newgrf airports :) 17:06:13 * andythenorth ponders doing some real work 17:06:27 <Weeknie> Lol, right, that's what PikkaBird said:P 17:06:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaae52.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:22 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:47 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.194] has joined #openttd 17:16:09 <Weeknie> Then perhaps I could after all use my C++ skills 17:16:35 <Weeknie> (not that I have a lot of those) 17:26:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590feab7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:11 <andythenorth> hi hi frosch123 17:31:17 <andythenorth> nice trip? :) 17:31:45 <planetmaker> quak frosch123 :-) 17:32:00 <planetmaker> deprived of alcohol meanwhile? :-D 17:32:17 * andythenorth watches a web app database pack slowly :| 17:34:06 <frosch123> evening everyone :) 17:34:13 <frosch123> nice trip, no alcohol :p 17:34:23 <Weeknie> lol:P 17:35:04 <Rubidium> tss... if fonsinchen only asked the real question instead of wondering how to decompress a savegame (which made me assume he didn't save them himself) 17:35:11 <Rubidium> then it would've been trivial 17:40:49 <Alberth> evening frosch123 17:43:01 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I think those were the saves both, saved on the server as well as those she got herself. 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19827 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: catalan - 41 changes by arnau 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: dutch - 48 changes by Hyronymus 17:45:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 4 changes by erani 17:45:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: russian - 7 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:45:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: slovenian - 17 changes by ntadej 17:46:36 <Weeknie> It's nightly time again? 17:46:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19828 /trunk/src/lang/italian.txt: -Remove: broken strings from Italian (did hope the translator had fixed them by now) 17:46:56 <planetmaker> every day at 20h CEST 17:47:02 <Weeknie> Hmm ok 17:47:13 <planetmaker> delivered only 30 minutes later, though 17:47:18 <Rubidium> planetmaker: lies 17:47:25 <planetmaker> 19:45h CEST is commit time for translations 17:47:38 <planetmaker> do I? :-) 17:48:12 <PeterT> planetmaker: I took your advice from a while ago. I have CIA-* on highlight here, and I left #openttd.notice 17:48:34 <planetmaker> why do you highlight on CIA? 17:48:50 <planetmaker> and I cannot remember that advice :-) 17:48:51 <Rubidium> planetmaker: ofcourse you lie... 17:49:02 <planetmaker> I don't deny ;-) 17:49:07 <planetmaker> Frequently. 17:49:09 <Rubidium> as it's 20:00 in timezone (TZ=)"CET-1CEST,M3.5.0,M10.5.0/3" 17:50:02 <planetmaker> oh, I'd call that piece "telling not the whole story" 17:50:28 <Rubidium> so it's like statistics 17:50:38 <planetmaker> :-P 17:51:00 <Rubidium> i.e. the superlative of lies 17:51:18 <planetmaker> lol 17:51:33 <planetmaker> Truely I think statistics are easily abused... 17:51:45 * planetmaker just prepares some statistics slides himself 17:51:52 <planetmaker> cumulative curves are nice :-) 17:53:21 <planetmaker> and logarithms also help nicely to make data look automagically better 18:02:32 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-221-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:51 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-127-79.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:07 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-108-77.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:11:29 *** Brin [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:15:28 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:22:21 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19829 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Extract assignment from the condition-check in the for statement. 18:25:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19830 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move variable declarations to their first use. 18:30:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19831 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Rename formal parameters of the constructor to match data member variable names. 18:30:40 <andythenorth> anybody want to grant me a cookie? request = container.REQUEST 18:30:40 <andythenorth> RESPONSE = request.RESPONSE 18:30:41 <andythenorth> from DateTime import DateTime 18:30:41 <andythenorth> if not request.form.get("insight", "").strip(): 18:30:41 <andythenorth> raise Exception("Insight required!") 18:30:42 <andythenorth> def abort(msg): 18:30:43 <andythenorth> if hasattr(context, 'i_am_a_referrer'): 18:30:43 <andythenorth> obj_url = context.aq_parent.absolute_url() + ('/edit_object?msg=%s' % msg) 18:30:44 <andythenorth> else: 18:30:46 <andythenorth> obj_url = context.aq_parent.aq_parent.absolute_url() + ('/edit_object?msg=%s' % msg) 18:30:46 <andythenorth> RESPONSE.redirect(obj_url) 18:30:47 <andythenorth> for char in title: 18:30:47 <andythenorth> if ord(char) < 32 or ord(char) > 127: 18:30:50 <andythenorth> abort('Referrer titles must be letters, numbers and ordinary punctuation.') 18:30:50 <andythenorth> return 18:30:52 <__ln__> thanks 18:30:52 <andythenorth> for char in source_url: 18:30:52 <andythenorth> if ord(char) < 32 or ord(char) > 127: 18:30:53 <andythenorth> abort('Referrer URLs must be ASCII. Put that URL through TinyURL and try again, please.') 18:30:53 <andythenorth> return 18:30:56 <andythenorth> if hasattr(context, 'i_am_a_referrer'): 18:30:56 <andythenorth> # referrer object already exists 18:30:58 <andythenorth> # have to use aq_parent to get correct context 18:30:58 <andythenorth> obj = context.aq_parent 18:30:59 <andythenorth> else: 18:30:59 <andythenorth> # referrer object doesn't exist - add a new one 18:31:02 <andythenorth> obj = context.scripts.add_referrer() 18:31:02 <andythenorth> unicode(title,'ascii','strict') 18:31:04 <andythenorth> # used for validation / user feedback messages 18:31:04 <andythenorth> live_submitted = live 18:31:05 <PeterT> PASTE.OPENTTD.ORG 18:31:06 <andythenorth> def handle_image_upload(file, name): 18:31:06 <andythenorth> if file.filename[string.rfind(file.filename, "\") + 1:]: 18:31:08 <andythenorth> context.image_resizer.recompressImage(obj,file) 18:31:08 <andythenorth> 18:31:09 <andythenorth> upload_large = handle_image_upload(large_image,'large_image') 18:31:09 <andythenorth> # could use the live_check method here, but not much to be gained by the change *right now*. 18:31:12 <andythenorth> if context.validate_image_size(obj=obj,filename='large_image') == False: 18:31:12 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 18:33:00 <Weeknie> erm, wow:P 18:33:03 <planetmaker> wth was that? 18:33:12 <Weeknie> It was his exit statement 18:33:14 <Weeknie> His final wish 18:33:14 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:33:18 <Weeknie> And thus 18:33:22 <Alberth> paste with a piece of code 18:33:23 <Weeknie> He returned from the heavens 18:33:27 * andythenorth apologises 18:33:40 <andythenorth> sometimes my browser doesn't put urls on the clipboard 18:33:49 <andythenorth> so you got what was already there instead :P 18:33:54 <Weeknie> So then you just copy a shitload of code:P 18:33:57 <planetmaker> paste... sounds like pastries... Hm... 18:34:10 <andythenorth> you got rather a large chunk of python.... 18:34:42 <andythenorth> ho hum 18:35:07 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19832 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Rename variables list->actives, sel->active_sel. 18:35:22 <__ln__> years ago i was talking with a friend online, when some application of his crashed and a message he had been writing to some girl got pasted to the talk window. 18:35:34 <Weeknie> Ouch:P 18:36:09 <Weeknie> You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that on your machine do you? 18:36:35 <Weeknie> Which you could accidentally share with us 18:36:54 <__ln__> nope 18:37:06 * PeterT pastes andythenorth 18:37:44 <Weeknie> And the paste result is! 18:37:44 <Weeknie> 0 18:38:54 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: configure your IRC client so it doesn't send stuff when you paste multi-line content 18:39:11 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: e.g. konversation can open a multi-line edit window instead 18:40:51 <__ln__> Weeknie: btw, is that the kind of thing you would do if you got your hands on your friend's private emails? 18:41:20 <Weeknie> lol, __ln__ don't worry, your dirty little secret is safe with me 18:41:26 <Weeknie> I won't tell anyone you slept with your aunt and your grandma 18:42:12 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19833 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf_gui.cpp): -Change: Modify NewGRF window towards having combined lists, add captions. 18:43:35 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-f6f4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:46:06 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:47:30 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19834 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Change: Replace matrix list widget in NewGRF gui by a panel with black background. 18:50:28 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 18:50:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19835 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_config.cpp newgrf_config.h): -Codechange: Extract grfident equality check to its own method. 18:51:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:22 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19836 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move sprite palette selection code in NewGRF gui to its own method. 18:52:41 <PeterT> COMMIT SPREE 18:52:44 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has left #openttd [Leaving] 18:52:46 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 18:52:52 <PeterT> HE'S GOING WILD 18:53:19 <Alberth> about halfway :) 18:53:22 <Xaroth> CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL 18:53:22 <Xaroth> ... 18:53:45 <Weeknie> CAPS LOCK ROCKS MAN, IT'S JUST AWESOME 18:54:39 <Noldo> you evil people got me thinking it's that day again 18:54:42 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:50 <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth I hate capslock 18:54:50 *** Xaroth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [I hate capslock] 18:54:51 <Weeknie> Lol 18:55:11 <Weeknie> For me it's the end of a little vacation:( 18:55:18 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 18:55:33 <Weeknie> erm wait, Truebrain, what was that for? 18:55:47 <TrueBrain> for abusively using capslock of course 18:56:05 <TrueBrain> I could have kicked PeterT, but he would be all wining and complaining and stuff, not worth my time 18:56:19 <TrueBrain> and I like you Weeknie, so I won't ever kick you 18:56:26 * Xaroth grr 18:56:32 <PeterT> TrueBrain <3 18:56:33 * TrueBrain pets Xaroth 18:56:44 <Weeknie> TrueBrain <3 indeed:D 18:57:19 * planetmaker senses very very thin ice under Weeknie's feet 18:57:30 <TrueBrain> lol @ planetmaker 18:57:44 <switchgirl> IHATE CAPS 18:57:46 <switchgirl> lol 18:57:48 <switchgirl> @P 18:57:54 * Xaroth waits for it 18:57:58 <TrueBrain> now you are just showing off 18:58:12 <Weeknie> don't worry planetmaker 18:58:14 <Weeknie> I love you more 18:58:18 <TrueBrain> Solid Harmonie - I want you to Want me, click "The Roof, The Roof, The Roof is on fire" 18:58:20 <TrueBrain> something is wrong ... 18:58:22 <Weeknie> You've been helping me a lot more than that TrueBrain thing 18:58:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19837 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf_gui.cpp): -Change: Display list of available (non-active) grfs in the NewGRF window. 18:58:38 <TrueBrain> Weeknie: no need to start being insulting :( 18:58:42 <planetmaker> Weeknie: whether you love me or not certainly won't stop Dorpsgek ;-) 18:58:53 <Weeknie> ? wut? 18:58:54 <TrueBrain> @op planetmaker 18:58:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by DorpsGek 18:58:56 <TrueBrain> does that help? 18:58:58 <planetmaker> and the TrueBrain does marvelous work 18:59:01 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Isn't that a Bloodhound Gang song? 18:59:06 <planetmaker> :-D 18:59:10 <Weeknie> Ok this is getting confusion lol 18:59:14 <Weeknie> TrueBrain, how do you do that? 18:59:17 <Weeknie> Or are you in fact 18:59:19 <Weeknie> The illusive 18:59:21 <Weeknie> DorpsGek? 18:59:26 <PeterT> hey, TrueBrain said he could kick me or Xaroth 18:59:28 <TrueBrain> @whoami 18:59:28 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain 18:59:31 <PeterT> which means i'm not on /ignore 18:59:33 <PeterT> \o/ 18:59:40 * planetmaker is in a very peaceful mind now, though 18:59:44 <planetmaker> I just had nice dinner :-) 18:59:47 <Weeknie> This is getting confusing 18:59:48 <TrueBrain> @deop planetmaker 18:59:51 *** mode/#openttd [-o planetmaker] by DorpsGek 18:59:53 <Xaroth> @kick PeterT 18:59:56 <Xaroth> aw :( 19:00:03 <PeterT> Xaroth <3 19:00:05 <TrueBrain> my scripts are offline :( 19:00:17 <planetmaker> doesn't glx always have some nice ones? 19:00:17 <PeterT> oh come on tb :-( 19:00:47 <TrueBrain> DorpsGek: bark 19:00:47 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:00:48 <DorpsGek> Bark Bark 19:01:23 <Weeknie> Really, the fuck:P 19:01:35 <PeterT> Weeknie: DorpsGek is a bot. 19:01:47 <PeterT> and he barks 19:01:54 <Weeknie> DorpsGek: bark 19:01:56 <TrueBrain> Weeknie: without joking, DorpsGek is just a bot, which happens to be under my control 19:02:00 <TrueBrain> it has no soul 19:02:01 <Wasila> hey, is everyone using Mibbit 19:02:04 <Wasila> *anyone? 19:02:06 <TrueBrain> no, only you 19:02:12 <PeterT> nope, Wasila 19:02:19 <Wasila> What are you using? 19:02:19 <PeterT> everyone has a real IRC client 19:02:23 <Wasila> :P 19:02:24 <PeterT> XChat 19:02:26 <Weeknie> Lol 19:02:28 <Weeknie> Pidgin ftw 19:02:31 <PeterT> Well, the free version of XCHat 19:02:36 <Wasila> mIRC is too confusing for me 19:02:44 <PeterT> Pidgin is an IM client that implemented IRC for completeness 19:02:48 <frosch123> [21:02] <TrueBrain> it has no soul <- does that make all of us bots? 19:02:48 <PeterT> not good by any means 19:02:59 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19838 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf_gui.cpp): -Change: Add filter capability to the availables list. 19:03:01 <Weeknie> Frosch123, speak for yourself 19:03:04 <Wasila> can XChat automatically open particular servers when you log in? 19:03:06 <TrueBrain> frosch123: you have no soul? :( 19:03:10 <PeterT> Wasila: yeap 19:03:15 <Wasila> channels, I mean 19:03:24 <PeterT> yeap 19:03:25 <Weeknie> PeterT, wait wut, Xchat has a paid version? 19:03:43 <PeterT> yes 19:03:48 <PeterT> XChat is the paid version 19:03:50 <PeterT> and I use YChat 19:03:53 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 19:04:01 <PeterT> they are both open source 19:04:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19839 /trunk/src/lang/ (41 files): -Change: Also copy the new filter string in the other languages. 19:04:18 <PeterT> the only thing you pay for XChat is that it is compiled for you 19:04:26 <Wasila> How do you pay for an open source program? 19:04:35 <TrueBrain> by sending them money 19:04:37 <Weeknie> You send money to them 19:04:40 <Weeknie> And then you get the program 19:04:42 <PeterT> TrueBrain: lol 19:04:52 <Wasila> Surely anyone could just put the source code up? 19:04:55 <PeterT> <PeterT> the only thing you pay for XChat is that it is compiled for you 19:04:58 <Weeknie> Wasila 19:05:05 <PeterT> the source code is up 19:05:06 <Rubidium> Weeknie: http://www.openttd.org/donate 19:05:07 <Wasila> Weeknie 19:05:09 <Weeknie> Ever heard of liscense?:P 19:05:13 <PeterT> Indeed 19:05:17 <TrueBrain> lol @ Rubidium 19:05:19 <Weeknie> Lol, that was fail 19:05:30 <TrueBrain> Weet ik nieh! 19:05:42 <Weeknie> Wow, another one of those dutch fellas 19:05:53 <PeterT> They're all dutch, Weeknie 19:06:07 <TrueBrain> kweenie! 19:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause> they are most definitely not! :p 19:06:23 <PeterT> and some german ^ 19:06:23 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you are a fake dutchman 19:06:30 <Weeknie> Well anyway a lot mor dutch people than I thought 19:06:35 <Weeknie> We should arrange a meating once lol 19:06:38 <PeterT> Wasila: free version http://www.silverex.org/news/ 19:06:42 <TrueBrain> no worries, it suprises us every time too 19:06:43 <PeterT> meating? 19:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm so badly faked, i don't even speak their language :p 19:06:52 <PeterT> you mean an all-guy sex party? 19:06:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19840 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Add: Add 'rescan' functionality to the NewGRF window. 19:06:53 <TrueBrain> Weeknie: I have had once at my house before 19:06:54 <PeterT> or a meeting? 19:06:55 <TrueBrain> at r10000 19:06:56 <__ln__> even the ones who claim to be from .de are actually just wearing funny masks on their faces. 19:06:59 <planetmaker> Weeknie: why is it a fail to donate to an open source project, if you like what they provide? 19:07:08 <Rubidium> meating? Is that like slapping with meat? 19:07:11 <TrueBrain> I have no issues doing the same for r20000, but I expect boekabart to arrange the cake again 19:07:14 <planetmaker> All those projects also have running costs. For servers, bandwidth etc pp 19:07:48 <Weeknie> My god 19:07:56 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: or will we be doing it at your place this year? 19:08:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it's an obscure sex practice, of course... 19:08:09 <Weeknie> That was one of the most ill placed typos I've ever made:P 19:08:23 <planetmaker> hm... 16 commits to go... 19:08:32 <planetmaker> *160 19:08:40 <TrueBrain> now that is a bad typo 19:08:40 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I thought it was planetmaker's place this time 19:08:46 <planetmaker> :-) 19:08:51 <TrueBrain> sof ar away :( 19:08:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i thought that, too ;) 19:08:56 <planetmaker> If so it'll have to be in June 19:09:03 <Weeknie> And @ planetmaker, who was still serious, that comment @ rubidium, I'm not going to explain it 19:09:04 <planetmaker> Or we have to do it belated in late August 19:09:06 <TrueBrain> well ... I can borrow a car, so 19:09:11 <Weeknie> Don't really know why I made it anyway 19:09:13 *** Wasila123 [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 19:09:17 <Wasila> on XChat 19:09:22 <Wasila> how do I join multiple networks? 19:09:33 <Wasila> I appear to be on here twice <_< 19:09:41 <PeterT> You are here twice 19:09:42 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: so, June .. any specific date in mind? 19:09:45 <PeterT> Wasila and Wasila123 19:09:49 <Wasila> I know :D 19:09:49 <TrueBrain> I wonder how long of a drive it will be ... 19:09:50 <planetmaker> not so far. 19:09:56 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: about 6 hours 19:09:57 <Wasila> How do I automatically join two networks on XChat 19:09:58 <Wasila> ? 19:10:07 <TrueBrain> so I can sleep at your place too? :p 19:10:09 <planetmaker> maybe 5 if you have little traffic 19:10:10 <planetmaker> sure 19:10:11 <Wasila123> What he said. 19:10:16 <Eddi|zuHause> 6 hours? where are you driving? 19:10:28 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: from his place to mine ;-) 19:10:29 <__ln__> why not go uninvited to Bjarni's and ring his doorbell? 19:10:34 <PeterT> Wasila123: hold on 19:10:36 <planetmaker> probably 5 are sufficient 19:10:41 <PeterT> Wasila123: network list 19:10:45 <PeterT> click on network 19:10:46 <PeterT> edit 19:10:49 <PeterT> connect on startup 19:10:55 <TrueBrain> takes me 2 hours to get to Rubidium 19:11:11 <__ln__> PeterT, Wasila123: get a room you two 19:11:13 <Wasila> Where's network list? 19:11:15 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:15 <Wasila> lulz 19:11:23 <Rubidium> Wasila: this is not #xchat 19:11:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19841 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf_gui.cpp): -Feature: Setup NewGRFs from a single window. 19:11:29 <TrueBrain> when did this channel became the irc help channel 19:11:41 <PeterT> this is #nothing-related-to-openttd 19:11:42 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: where do I need to set my route-planner to? (I always forget :p) 19:12:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19842 /trunk/src/lang/ (54 files in 2 dirs): -Change: Adapt other languages too. 19:12:15 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it took me 6 hours from here to karlsruhe, certainly the distance from the netherlands to your place is shorter than that... 19:12:17 <Weeknie> __ln__, why did you have to say that, now I"ve got all messy thoughts in me head 19:12:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E998.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:34 <TrueBrain> google tells me 4 hours and 30 minutes 19:12:36 <TrueBrain> acceptable 19:12:41 <TrueBrain> it is almost a horizontal line 19:12:43 <TrueBrain> cool 19:12:48 <planetmaker> yup :-) 19:12:50 <Weeknie> TrueBrain, where do you live then? 19:12:58 <Weeknie> Got to be either germany or france with 4 hours 19:12:58 <PeterT> Alberth: is r19841 the sepcial NewGRF GUIs you've been working on? 19:12:58 <__ln__> for vertical you'd need a rocket 19:12:58 <TrueBrain> in a home 19:12:59 <planetmaker> I didn't know quite exactly anymore your town ;-) 19:13:12 <Weeknie> Perhaps swiss thingy? 19:13:13 <OwenS> TrueBrain: in a home? You're older than I expected 19:13:21 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I have that effect 19:13:26 *** Wasila123 [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [] 19:13:36 <OwenS> (For the curious: In the UK saying someone is "in a home" tends to refer to retirement homes :P) 19:13:40 *** Wasila123 [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:43 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19843 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Codechange: Move ComputeMaxSize() to widget_type.h to make it globally accessible. 19:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause> ... google maps still fails on konqueror... 19:13:50 <planetmaker> I propose either 12/13 June or 19/20 19:13:55 <Alberth> is it special? 19:14:02 *** Wasila [51b245a4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:14:05 <TrueBrain> OwenS: lucky I don't live in the UK then 19:14:10 <TrueBrain> 12th I am not available 19:14:11 <planetmaker> it's approx. free weekends in my calender 19:14:20 <planetmaker> and distant from nasty deadlines 19:14:32 <TrueBrain> the 19th is no issue for me 19:14:36 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: how about you? 19:14:41 *** Wasila123 is now known as Wasila 19:14:56 *** Wasila is now known as register 19:15:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid i'm busy each weekend in june... 19:15:15 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: wtf? Why! 19:15:16 * PeterT puts the cash in the register 19:15:24 <Rubidium> don't think I've got lot to do in the weekends in june 19:15:37 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: how many people can you host a party for? 19:15:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it's that time of a year... 19:15:57 *** register is now known as Wasila 19:16:24 <__ln__> so close to france 19:16:24 <Weeknie> Wait, planetmaker and truebrain, you're seriously planning something now?:P 19:16:33 *** beerface [~karl@c-76-21-77-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:03 <OwenS> "Maximum vertex attributes: 16 " What? Thats hugely dissappointing :( 19:17:04 <TrueBrain> Weeknie: you want to know just 2 things about me: 1) never piss me off, 2) I am crazy 19:17:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19844 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Fix: Move NWidgetBase::StoreSizePosition() to an include file, and use proper inline macro. 19:17:21 <planetmaker> well. It's not a big flat. I guess if we squeeze, 6 to 8 people could stay overnight, if they bring sleeping bag 19:17:30 <planetmaker> for just the party... could be more 19:17:33 <planetmaker> like 20 fit in 19:17:42 <TrueBrain> so, who here wants free cake? :p 19:17:51 <OwenS> Me 19:17:52 <__ln__> \o_ 19:17:58 <Ammler> and SmatZ is cooking the gulash 19:18:05 <planetmaker> o/ 19:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> "free" if you discount the cost of the train ticket/fuel ;) 19:18:18 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Thats not free! :p 19:18:26 <Weeknie> Hi tricked you! 19:18:29 <Weeknie> he* 19:18:29 <TrueBrain> the cake is free 19:18:29 <__ln__> i don't want fuel in my piece of cake 19:18:33 <Rubidium> anyhow, it's in Karlruhe? 19:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: gulash is hungrian, not czech 19:18:46 <planetmaker> Rubidium: me? 19:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no 19:18:48 <planetmaker> No 19:18:53 <planetmaker> Braunschweig 19:18:58 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: Hungarian. 19:19:05 <PeterT> not hungrian. 19:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: i'm hungry, i mean. 19:19:32 <PeterT> I fell right into that. 19:19:32 <planetmaker> Eddi should have a 3 hour ride :-) 19:19:40 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause should just make time 19:19:43 <planetmaker> if you go 200km/h it's 1:30 ;-) 19:19:43 <TrueBrain> he is always zuhause 19:19:49 <beerface> how do I set the max loan for my server? 19:20:00 <TrueBrain> ask your operator 19:20:04 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19845 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Feature: Dynamically switch between 2 and 3 column NewGRF gui for improved user experience. 19:20:06 <Alberth> you asked that yesterday too 19:20:09 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: google says 1h 55m 19:20:11 <beerface> I did 19:20:15 <TrueBrain> Weeknie: owh, and a 3rd point: I have a poor sense of humor 19:20:18 <__ln__> planetmaker: Niedersachsen? 19:20:19 <planetmaker> :-O at r19845 19:20:20 <Alberth> and you got an answer 19:20:28 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 19:20:31 <planetmaker> __ln__: yes 19:20:36 <Weeknie> Lol, good one TrueBrain 19:20:36 <beerface> well do I do it once i have made a game? 19:20:37 <TrueBrain> how about you dihedral? 19:20:38 <planetmaker> "Zonenrandgebiet" :-P 19:20:47 <TrueBrain> Osai? 19:20:53 <Osai> yes? 19:20:55 <TrueBrain> (just read your freaking backlog both :p) 19:20:58 <TrueBrain> blathijs: ^^ 19:20:58 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I had in my mind time from Jena :-) 19:20:59 <Alberth> THAT'S ALL FOLKS 19:21:02 <TrueBrain> Alberth: ^^ 19:21:05 <beerface> i did 19:21:15 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: jena is quite a lot further south 19:21:16 <TrueBrain> glx: ^^ 19:21:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and we have the B6n now ;) 19:21:24 <planetmaker> yes... one hour or 88 km 19:21:27 <beerface> also im unclean on how to set a goal 19:21:32 <TrueBrain> Yexo: ^^ 19:21:39 <TrueBrain> do I need more highlights? :p 19:21:54 <Osai> suck0r -.- 19:21:59 <planetmaker> michi_cc could come over. It's only 60km 19:22:07 <planetmaker> IIRC 19:22:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the B6 quasi directly connects Halle to Braunschweig 19:22:13 <Weeknie> Lol TrueBrain, I think you've had enough of em;) 19:22:24 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: B14 B2 is faster 19:22:29 <TrueBrain> just the people I know are crazy enough to come too :p 19:22:29 <planetmaker> err.. A14, A2 19:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that were true, if i were on the other side of the Saale ;) 19:22:46 <planetmaker> frosch123: 19:22:52 <Zuu> According to google maps it's only a 5 hour drive for me. :-) 19:23:06 <TrueBrain> Zuu: so you should come too :p 19:23:11 <planetmaker> :-O @ Zuu then drop by! 19:23:14 <Ammler> pm lives in the centre of OpenTTD 19:23:16 <Zuu> If it was in Niedersachsen? 19:23:20 <planetmaker> yes 19:23:26 <planetmaker> Eastern Lower Saxony 19:23:42 <Weeknie> Planetmaker, where do you live? 19:23:50 <frosch123> he, i left bs just 5 hours ago 19:23:52 <Zuu> If it is the later date, then I don't think I have anything planed at least. 19:23:57 <planetmaker> :-O @ frosch123 19:24:01 <__ln__> Zuu: where do you live? 19:24:02 <TrueBrain> Osai: I am seriously, come join us at planetmaker's place :D 19:24:03 <planetmaker> and you didn't say a word?! 19:24:10 <Yexo> from which point on do I need to read back? 19:24:15 <Osai> when? 19:24:22 <TrueBrain> 19th/20th 19:24:22 <Zuu> __ln__: Lund/Norrköping 19:24:23 <Osai> where are you at pm? 19:24:24 <TrueBrain> Yexo: from this point :p 19:24:26 <TrueBrain> June btw 19:24:31 <planetmaker> Yexo: nowhere. Come to Braunschweig 19th/20th June 19:24:33 <planetmaker> Party here 19:24:45 <Osai> pm, I am close to Braunschweig next weekend 19:24:48 <Yexo> I have exams starting the 21th 19:24:54 <planetmaker> Osai: seriously? Where? 19:25:01 <Osai> but 19th/20th june I am in Frankfurt a.M. 19:25:07 <Osai> I am in Schöppenstedt 19:25:09 <TrueBrain> Yexo: :( 19:25:23 <planetmaker> Schöppenstedt... a village nearby 19:25:29 <Osai> yes 19:25:29 <planetmaker> I can go there by bike in 30 minutes 19:25:35 <Osai> yes :P 19:25:43 <Yexo> is there a decent train connection to braunscheig? 19:25:50 <planetmaker> depends. 19:25:56 <planetmaker> to Amsterdam it's reasonable 19:25:57 <Rubidium> Yexo: yeah, the IC from A'dam to Berlin 19:26:04 <Yexo> ok ;) 19:26:05 <TrueBrain> I am going to try to get a car, so you can drive with if I can get one :p 19:26:17 <beerface> so can some one help me with setting a goal for my server that I made? 19:26:19 <Osai> what are you celebrating? 19:26:20 <planetmaker> Car is comfortable 19:26:26 <planetmaker> Osai: r20k 19:26:27 <TrueBrain> Osai: r20000 by then, hopefully? 19:26:33 <Osai> thought so :) 19:26:34 <Osai> nice 19:26:35 <TrueBrain> well .. I will make sure it happens by then :p 19:26:35 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that's quite far outside of braunschweig, actually... 19:26:38 <TrueBrain> maybe on that day .. hmm ... 19:26:59 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I know where it is. 30 minutes, maybe 45 should work 19:27:00 <Osai> hmmm, I'd really like to join 19:27:03 <Osai> but I am busy :/ 19:27:04 <planetmaker> I live in the NorthEast 19:27:14 <planetmaker> I just have to drive out to the South-East 19:27:24 <TrueBrain> Osai: MAKE TIME! 19:27:28 <Osai> I can't 19:27:31 <TrueBrain> :( :( 19:27:36 <planetmaker> :-( 19:27:37 <Osai> very important event 19:27:40 <planetmaker> Ammler: will come, too? 19:27:46 <dihedral> hi 19:27:50 <__ln__> Osai: more important than r20k party?!? 19:27:52 <planetmaker> and dihedral ? 19:27:56 <Osai> yes 19:28:00 <beerface> can any one help a semi noob on setting up a server here? 19:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: my aunt lives not far away from there 19:28:03 <Osai> much more 19:28:18 <TrueBrain> Osai: going for Gold? 19:28:22 <Osai> yes 19:28:23 <planetmaker> beerface: goal servers are hacked servers 19:28:25 <Zuu> hmm, does anyone know a good public transport search engine that is somewhat international? 19:28:32 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: in Hötensleben, directly at the border 19:28:34 <Rubidium> db.de? 19:28:36 <__ln__> Zuu: bahn.de 19:28:36 <Osai> biggest european tournament 19:28:41 <beerface> what? hacked servers? 19:28:44 <TrueBrain> Osai: nice! 19:28:49 <dihedral> beerface, why would a semi-noob want to setup a server if he considers himself already a semi-noob? 19:28:56 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I never heart that name ;-) 19:29:01 <TrueBrain> dihedral: answer our question already! 19:29:10 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it's directly opposite of Schöningen 19:29:22 <beerface> planetmaker: what do you mean hacked servers? 19:29:26 <planetmaker> Zuu: bahn.de should work 19:29:33 <Alberth> beerface: custom modified 19:29:39 <planetmaker> maybe you can fly even to Hannover, Berlin or maybe even Braunschweig 19:29:53 <Muxy> beerface: did you talk about goalserver or just regular server... 19:29:58 <dihedral> TrueBrain, what? :-P 19:30:07 <Alberth> Muxy: goal server 19:30:08 <TrueBrain> READ! 19:30:13 <TrueBrain> Alberth: will you come too? :p 19:30:18 <planetmaker> Will Hirundo also come? 19:30:27 <Alberth> I have no idea how to get there 19:30:30 <dihedral> TrueBrain, as of my 'hi' or before? 19:30:32 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: google says A14/A2 is exactly the same time as B6 19:30:33 <Ammler> the Dutchies can rent their own train waggon 19:30:35 <Hirundo> planetmaker: When what where? 19:30:35 <Muxy> sory, didnt saw the first request 19:30:48 <planetmaker> 19th / 20th June. 20k party in Braunschweig 19:30:53 <Rubidium> Zuu: only takes ~12 hours from Norrköping Central to Braunschweig Hbf 19:30:54 <TrueBrain> Alberth: well, if you can get to me, you can tag along, assuming I can borrow a car .. :p 19:31:09 <Alberth> you live in the wrong direction :) 19:31:31 <planetmaker> then do it vice versa: TB gets to alberth's place and then you drive ;-) 19:31:33 <TrueBrain> where do you live btw? :p 19:31:42 <Alberth> TrueBrain: Eindhoven 19:31:45 <dihedral> not looked at irc for a few days now .... until the 'hi' 19:31:47 <Rubidium> Zuu: take the X2000 to Copenhagen, ICE to Hamburg, "Schnellzug" to Hannover and then the Regional-Express to Braunschweig 19:31:48 <TrueBrain> then take a train to Enschede :p 19:31:57 <TrueBrain> dihedral: read what planetmaker says :p 19:32:13 <dihedral> r20k party? 19:32:26 <planetmaker> [21:30] <planetmaker> 19th / 20th June. 20k party in Braunschweig 19:32:29 <Weeknie> And all this started because of me 19:32:33 <Weeknie> Oh I feel so special:D 19:32:43 <planetmaker> you overestimate your influence grossly ;-) 19:32:51 <Weeknie> Lol right:P 19:32:55 <planetmaker> we talked about that even back in January 19:33:01 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: read PM please :) 19:33:02 <Alberth> volunteers to pay the bill are always welcome :p 19:33:02 <Weeknie> But I brought it up again! 19:33:19 <dihedral> sounds good, but i can be more specific in 10 - 12 days 19:33:34 <TrueBrain> Alberth: or get to amersfoort, also fine by me :p 19:33:46 <Alberth> that is much better 19:34:00 <Zuu> Rubidium: Ok, thanks 19:34:01 <Ammler> Is there someone else south of planetmaker? 19:34:15 * frosch123 is 19:34:36 <frosch123> but i would take the train in any case 19:34:36 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: I switched off sound ;-) that's why I didn't see it ;-) 19:34:38 <planetmaker> sorry 19:34:45 <TrueBrain> np :) 19:34:51 <dihedral> my brother and my sister live in Hannover ^^ 19:34:55 <frosch123> Ammler: there is a direct ice train from basel to braunschweig 19:35:06 <TrueBrain> Alberth: I will be going from Leiden, A4, A1 to Enschede .. everywhere along the line I can pick you up (if you like of course :p) 19:35:10 <TrueBrain> still assuming I can get a car ... 19:35:11 <Ammler> I would prefer train too :-) 19:35:12 * Rubidium is south of planetmaker too 19:35:18 <Ammler> more comfort 19:35:19 <dihedral> if i travle i would go from Karlsruhe 19:35:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: i'm not the kind of south that you'd like ;) 19:35:43 <dihedral> and if i come, i have a car 19:35:58 <Ammler> around 4 hours 19:36:06 <Alberth> TrueBrain: ok, that sounds like enough for now :) 19:36:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the 19th i might have time, but i must be back early on the 20th 19:36:15 <dihedral> so - space for another 3 people in that car 19:36:16 <dihedral> ^^ 19:36:29 <Yexo> TrueBrain: if you have a free place in that car, count me in too :) 19:36:35 <TrueBrain> nice nice :) 19:36:36 <planetmaker> o/ 19:36:49 <dihedral> Ammler, how would you travle? 19:37:05 * Rubidium votes for TrueBrain picking me up at home :) 19:37:11 <dihedral> lol 19:37:16 <Zuu> hehe :-) 19:37:17 <frosch123> planetmaker: your flat will be flooded by 500 people :p 19:37:30 <__ln__> planetmaker: am i invited? 19:37:30 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: no problem :) And if blathijs joins too, the car is full :p 19:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't trust google... it tries to send me via beesenstedt-friedeburg-könnern... 19:37:32 <planetmaker> :-P 19:37:36 <dihedral> yay - nice 'n cosey 19:37:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that's an awfully non-direct road... 19:37:44 <planetmaker> sure, come along __ln__ 19:37:56 <dihedral> __ln__, remember though - it's in germany - so no 'english only' 19:38:06 <TrueBrain> __ln__: under the condition I can give you a real (gentle) kick? :) 19:38:09 <planetmaker> haha :-) 19:38:16 <Weeknie> Whohoo I got zlib to install on msys 19:38:21 <Weeknie> That took me quite long enough 19:38:23 <dihedral> TrueBrain, a kick in the nuts? :-P 19:38:26 <planetmaker> sÀnk juh for trÀwelling wis doitshe bahn 19:38:34 <__ln__> dihedral: natÃŒrlich, nur deutsch 19:38:46 <Rubidium> because leaving the highway to go to Hengelo station takes 15 minutes extra, going to my house takes 16 minutes extra :) 19:38:47 <TrueBrain> ich spreche keine deutsch 19:38:52 <planetmaker> __ln__: I can host English speaking guests, too ;-) 19:38:58 <Rubidium> and going to Amersfoort station takes 21 minutes extra 19:39:07 <Ammler> ich schnorre au keis DÃŒtsch 19:39:13 <Rubidium> how traffic lights can screw your average speed 19:39:23 * Zuu knows zero german :-p 19:39:29 <dihedral> sorry - it'd be in dschörmÀnie 19:39:30 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: come over, too ;-) 19:39:57 <TrueBrain> "including unlimited kilometers. 20 eurocent extra per kilometer" 19:39:59 <TrueBrain> WTF? 19:40:02 <__ln__> damn, i already thought i found a cheap flight to hannover, but i hadn't selected the return flight, and selecting that doubled the price. 19:40:10 <planetmaker> wtf 19:40:15 <dihedral> sixt? 19:40:27 <Ammler> hehe, DJNekkid sound :-) 19:40:28 <TrueBrain> 6000 Inclusief onbeperkt aantal kilometers 19:40:28 <planetmaker> sixt's conditions got increasingly worse 19:40:29 <TrueBrain> 0.20 EUR Iedere extra kilometer 19:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: "schnorren" means something different around here ;) 19:40:49 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: where are you looking? 19:40:52 <Weeknie> Lol, nice one TrueBrain 19:40:53 <TrueBrain> hertz 19:41:03 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: I can guess what 19:41:04 <TrueBrain> I want to rent a car for 2 months, or buy one, not sure yet 19:41:07 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:41:18 <TrueBrain> oeh, I almost forgot to prod Xaroth too :p 19:41:22 <dihedral> TrueBrain, you'd be better off buying one for 500 eur 19:41:40 <__ln__> official language for the meeting: ad hoc dutch 19:41:44 <dihedral> and if it breaks - walk the rest :-P 19:42:10 * Rubidium dislikes Hertz already 19:42:20 <Rubidium> http://hertz.nl/ <- stoopid 19:43:11 <TrueBrain> just 2000 euro to rent a car for 2 months .. not bad 19:43:16 <Hyronymus> try hz.nl 19:43:23 <planetmaker> the longer the cheaper. per day 19:43:48 <dihedral> buy? 19:43:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "StraÃe der DSF" --- these things still seem to exist everywehere... 19:45:12 <Xaroth> ? 19:45:35 <planetmaker> [21:30] <planetmaker> 19th / 20th June. 20k party in Braunschweig 19:46:23 <planetmaker> hm... I'm used to some Dutch at my parties. But I think had never that many previously ;-) 19:46:26 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: ^^ 19:46:40 <Xaroth> what'd i miss :/ 19:46:48 <TrueBrain> what planetmaker says 19:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> "DSF" is an abbreviation for "Deutsch-Sowjetische Freundschaft" 19:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i can't decide whether i come or not just yet... 19:49:31 <Xaroth> sounds germany, too far away 19:49:38 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you don't have to decide now. But it'd be awesome :-) 19:49:44 <TrueBrain> it is germany Xaroth .. 5 hour drive for us 19:49:48 <planetmaker> Xaroth: not really. Just next door :-P 19:50:46 <__ln__> TrueBrain: what did you do during the previous meeting besides eating cake? 19:50:52 <Xaroth> yes, like i'm going to drive 5 horus..... 19:50:55 <Xaroth> i can get in england in that time 19:50:57 <TrueBrain> well, somehow we ended up debating 32bit pngs 19:51:03 <TrueBrain> which gave the solution that is now in trunk 19:51:07 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: pussy 19:51:21 <TrueBrain> __ln__: but I hope this time we can just have fun :p 19:51:27 *** Wasila [~Wasila@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: not everybody has to drive individually, when 5 persons come from the same general direction... 19:51:34 <__ln__> debating pngs sounds fun :) 19:51:50 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: still, 5 hours by car... 19:51:59 <Xaroth> I'd rather go to england if i had to travel 5 hours :p 19:52:20 <__ln__> 5 hours by car is nothing 19:52:42 <Xaroth> back and forth through the entire country here... 19:53:15 <TrueBrain> blah blah 19:53:18 <TrueBrain> you disapoint me 19:53:42 <Zuu> yea, you're supposed to be transport nerds. :-p 19:53:43 * dihedral is off 19:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause> if you're 5 people, that means only 1 hour each ;) 19:53:59 <TrueBrain> bye dihedral 19:54:04 <TrueBrain> make sure to be there the 19th :p 19:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause> or you can go 5 hours by train instead ;) 19:54:29 <Zuu> And pay far more. :-s 19:55:01 <Zuu> 120 Euro just to get to Hanover was the price I got. Hopefully there is some tricks to get it cheaper. 19:55:23 <planetmaker> Zuu: that sounds not too expensive 19:55:45 <__ln__> from Hamburg on you can use Niedersachsen-Ticket 19:56:01 <__ln__> if it still exists 19:56:39 <planetmaker> it's like 25â¬(?) return from Hannover 19:56:49 <planetmaker> __ln__: it does 19:57:04 <planetmaker> but that might limit you to non-highspeed trains 19:57:04 <Zuu> Niedersachsen-ticket? 19:57:15 <Zuu> The month-pass-ticket? 19:57:23 <__ln__> nej 19:58:13 <__ln__> Zuu: More like travel-as-much-as-you-want-during-one-day-in-Niedersachsen-for-17â¬-or-so. 19:58:21 <planetmaker> it's a day(?) ticket which allows free travel within all Lower Saxony 19:58:32 <Zuu> Oh, yea. One of those. 19:58:37 <TrueBrain> but you need 2, as you need to get back too 19:58:47 <__ln__> Covers regional trains, public transport of certain cities, and some buses. 19:59:30 <Zuu> I guess "Niedersachsen" means that it is such a ticket. As I said my german is void/null/zero. 19:59:37 <__ln__> TrueBrain: thinking about getting back is premature optimization 20:00:30 <__ln__> Zuu: nieder = nedre, sachsen = sachsen 20:00:39 <Zuu> okej 20:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: no, niedersachsen is the name of the country ;) 20:01:17 <planetmaker> Zuu: it's the name of the federal state I live in 20:01:28 <Zuu> Oh, okay. 20:01:49 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... going by train is hopeless... 20:02:07 <__ln__> Zuu: do you have a car? 20:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it takes me twice as long... 20:02:29 <Eddi|zuHause> with a 1h wait... 20:02:45 <Zuu> I don't own one. 20:03:59 <Eddi|zuHause> if i try to avoid IC, three times... 20:05:25 <Zuu> still, if I lend/rent a car the germans would go crazy and flash their head lights as Swedish cars have the lights always on. :-p 20:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> 0:45 to Halle (bus), 0:30 wait, 2:25 to Vienenburg, 1:30 wait, 0:25 to WolfenbÃŒttel, 0:20 wait, 0:20 to Schöppenstedt 20:06:19 <Zuu> Anyhow, I'll check that "detail" later.. :-) 20:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: actually that's not that common anymore, since there was a law passed that lights should always be on in the winter 20:07:08 <Zuu> Oh, so germans has shifted their minds towards accepting people driving with the lights on? 20:08:16 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:08:17 <planetmaker> Zuu: when driving 'on duty' I'm required to drive with lights on 20:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: yes, in the past ~2 years 20:08:45 <Zuu> Oh, good news. 20:08:55 <planetmaker> I made it even a habit to do it personally past-time, too 20:09:26 <Eddi|zuHause> cars support you in that nowadays, automatically switching the lights off if you stop them and open the door 20:09:37 <Zuu> Here I've read about some legislation that would allow people to drive with the ligts off if the car is enquiped with a sensor that turns on the lights when it gets dark. 20:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause> so you never need to touch the light switch 20:10:12 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: in Scandinavia you don't. Lights are switched on with the ignition 20:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hee... funny, going back is a lot faster ;) 20:10:22 <planetmaker> lol 20:11:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what does a "schönes wochenendticket" cost nowadays? 20:12:21 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: how far is your place from the train station? 20:12:28 <Zuu> planetmaker: though you usually have to use the switch in order to make it possible to toggle the full beam lights. If you don't touch the light switch, then you can only flash with the full beam lights but not enable them persistently. 20:12:51 <Eddi|zuHause> need to catch the train at 6:53 if i want to be back early enough 20:12:51 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: 20 minutes bus and / or tram 20:13:01 <__ln__> Terkhen: ¿vas a participar? 20:13:06 <planetmaker> at 6:53!? 20:13:17 <planetmaker> holy cow 20:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> on a sunday? 20:13:28 <Eddi|zuHause> need to be back at 11:00 20:13:29 <planetmaker> I guess there's no public transport then 20:13:36 <planetmaker> I could give you a ride 20:13:56 *** wubbel4 [~wubbel4@s5594f123.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:14:07 <planetmaker> public transport is IMHO notoriously bad here when not weekday and working time 20:14:11 <Eddi|zuHause> ... this stupid site doesn't give pricing information... 20:14:23 <Terkhen> __ln__: too much for a student's economy... besides, I'll probably be working 20:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: does your tram/bus stop have a name? 20:14:26 <planetmaker> you don't even get to church at 10am from here downtown 20:14:38 <wubbel4> i have a question 20:14:43 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: Burgundenplatz or SiegfriedstraÃe 20:14:46 <planetmaker> both do fine 20:14:54 <wubbel4> what is so speacial about the nightley version? 20:14:55 <planetmaker> the first for tram, the latter for bus 20:15:10 <wubbel4> what is so speacial about the nightley version? 20:15:10 <Zuu> wubbel4: It updates every night 20:15:11 <planetmaker> wubbel4: they are the bleeding edge where devs work upon 20:15:17 <wubbel4> ok 20:15:20 <planetmaker> new features and new bugs 20:15:49 <wubbel4> whitch do you prever? 20:15:56 <wubbel4> the 1.01 version on nightleY? 20:15:59 <Zuu> And often more sane people at the nightly multiplayer servers. 20:16:15 <planetmaker> Zuu: at least the more experienced ones 20:16:22 <Zuu> I already miss a few features when I'm playing at stable servers. 20:16:30 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 20:16:35 <planetmaker> wubbel4: it really depends 20:16:36 <KenjiE20> yea 'sane' isn't the word I'd use for nightly folks :P 20:16:44 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... site doesn't like that name... 20:16:47 <wubbel4> zuu: like what? 20:16:55 <Zuu> drag bus/truck stops 20:16:58 * planetmaker definitely is not sane 20:17:06 * KenjiE20 wibbles 20:17:11 <Zuu> ctrl+click on buses/trains. 20:17:26 * planetmaker just agreed to host a party for people whom all I have never seen :-O 20:17:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E998.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> "Ihre Eingabe "Schöppenstedt, Burgundenplatz" konnte vom Provider "Niedersachsen" nicht interpretiert werden." 20:17:42 <planetmaker> eh? 20:17:51 <wubbel4> ok 20:17:55 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: don't go to Schöppenstedt. Go to Braunschweig Hauptbahnhof 20:18:00 <wubbel4> but i going to play now 20:18:07 <wubbel4> you all have a nice day :) 20:18:15 *** wubbel4 [~wubbel4@s5594f123.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:18:22 <Zuu> Sure, though it's more like night.. 20:18:26 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 20:18:30 <planetmaker> :-) 20:18:36 <planetmaker> yeah... late at night actually 20:18:47 <Zuu> yea, got to sleep soonish 20:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: well, it _should_ direct me all the way... 20:19:20 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: try bsvag.de 20:19:29 <planetmaker> for that distances 20:19:39 <planetmaker> Schöppenstedt & Co 20:20:40 <Terkhen> andythenorth: about the lumber yard: I thought you was referring to something at the forum threads, I don't know what I did to not see that discussion after connecting to IRC 20:20:43 <Terkhen> what was the question? 20:21:01 <Zuu> hmm, would be fun to meet you all, hopefully not everyone will speak german/dutch :-p And hopefully will serve me well enough. :-) 20:21:15 <andythenorth> I am creating a Lumber Yard that produces ENSP from lumber and chemicals. I was wondering about having it accept MNSP, but I think it's a bad idea 20:21:41 <Zuu> And hopefully my ears will+* 20:21:41 <planetmaker> Zuu: I'm quite confident that we'll find with English a common basis :-) 20:21:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:21:53 <Zuu> hehe yep :-) 20:21:56 <planetmaker> :-) 20:22:01 <OwenS> planetmaker: With lots of funny accents :p 20:22:11 <planetmaker> That'll be fun, yeah 20:22:17 <Zuu> hehe 20:22:30 <planetmaker> But accents can't get more funny than what one gets served at international conferences 20:22:35 <OwenS> planetmaker: But even in the UK some of us can't understand each other :p 20:22:45 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I agree, I would not use the machine shop at all in that case and that defeats the purpose of the lumber yard 20:22:48 <planetmaker> OwenS: happend me within Germany, too 20:22:48 <Weeknie> Where is this gathering now? 20:23:23 <planetmaker> in Braunschweig 20:23:32 <andythenorth> Terkhen: thanks 20:24:35 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 20:26:11 <__ln__> pretty expensive 20:26:18 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=876979#p876979 <- sometimes reading back the forums can be quite fun :) 20:27:07 * andythenorth wouldn't bother porting code that works :P 20:27:42 <frosch123> let's post "what a waste of time, port it to nml" 20:28:48 <Terkhen> :P 20:29:36 <__ln__> does it make sense to approach from Berlin? 20:30:12 <Zuu> __ln__: you're from Finland right? 20:30:15 <frosch123> there are direct connections between berlin an braunschweig, if you mean that 20:30:28 <__ln__> Zuu: correct 20:30:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:57 <__ln__> frosch123: that is what i mean 20:32:44 <Alberth> planetmaker: dev.openttdcoop.org server doesn't tell you the path to clone from, for a project, does it? 20:33:11 <frosch123> 35⬠per direction for 3 hours per directon, 50 ⬠per direction for 1.5 hours per direction 20:33:39 <planetmaker> Alberth: not for every project, unfortunately. You could add it to a project description for each one 20:33:53 <planetmaker> it's always http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/projectname 20:33:58 <planetmaker> for anonymous checkout 20:34:07 <Alberth> ok, thanks 20:34:19 <__ln__> frosch123: thanks 20:34:24 <planetmaker> you're welcome 20:34:42 <planetmaker> __ln__: Berlin-BS is 1:30h by ICE train 20:35:05 <Ammler> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/<project-identifier> it is newly :-) 20:35:31 <Ammler> but the other should rewrite and still work 20:35:32 <__ln__> hmm, would have to get insanely cheap flights to Berlin (compared to Hannover) in order to compensate the ICE. 20:35:44 <planetmaker> Ammler: I'll recall that then :-) 20:37:14 <planetmaker> [22:27] <frosch123> let's post "what a waste of time, port it to nml" <- I could hold myself back ;-) 20:37:24 <Alberth> Ammler: thanks, made a note about it. 20:37:38 <Alberth> good night 20:37:50 <planetmaker> __ln__: if Hannover is cheaper to fly in, that's quicker, too 20:37:51 <frosch123> night albert 20:37:56 <planetmaker> good night, Alberth 20:38:09 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:38:35 <planetmaker> __ln__: rough estimate: Hannover is 1h, Berlin 1:30h...2h 20:39:31 <frosch123> but hannover - bs is way cheaper per train :p 20:39:47 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes 20:40:36 <__ln__> 293⬠turku-hannover by SAS, ugh. that's a lot of â¬â¬â¬. 20:41:09 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: that's only twice as much as what Zuu pays ;) 20:41:39 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdragon` 20:42:01 <planetmaker> :-P 20:42:09 <Zuu> Actually I found out on bahn.de that from Lund all way to Braunschweig Hbf it costs 129 Euro. 20:42:20 <__ln__> one way? 20:42:29 <planetmaker> probably 20:42:38 <Zuu> one way 20:43:08 <planetmaker> well, I wouldn't kick you out, if you decided to travel only on Monday or so :-) 20:43:09 <Zuu> I just found out how to get bahn.de in a (for me) more esily understandable language than german. :-) 20:43:31 <planetmaker> or come on Friday 20:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: going by bus seems to work, they seem to go every hour, and connectivity with the train is not bad 20:43:52 <planetmaker> long-distance travel can be difficult to time accurately 20:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> like 10 minutes wait 20:44:06 <planetmaker> from Halle? Or Schöppenstedt? 20:44:13 <Weeknie> Wow 20:44:14 <Weeknie> At last 20:44:17 <Weeknie> I got openTTD to compile 20:44:18 <Weeknie> On my system 20:44:20 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44:24 <Weeknie> Under windows 20:44:25 <Weeknie> (well kinda) 20:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> from braunschweig main station ;) 20:44:45 <planetmaker> ah. Well. From the main train station it's not a problem 20:44:56 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i'm still not sure... 20:44:56 <glx> Weeknie: not very hard 20:45:05 <__ln__> glx: you coming? 20:45:29 <planetmaker> just Sunday morning won't work :-) But then ... as said, I could give a ride. A taxi is 10⬠20:45:36 <planetmaker> alternatively that is 20:45:38 <TrueBrain> glx: will you join us too? Or is it really to far away? :) 20:45:43 <Weeknie> glx, it is hard 20:46:02 <Weeknie> It took me about 3 hours to get zlib working correctly on the thing... 20:46:06 <Weeknie> Oh well, its' fixed now 20:46:37 <Weeknie> Let me be happy if I want to lol 20:47:10 <Weeknie> Hmm well, good night everyone 20:47:15 <glx> no it's too far away 20:47:16 <planetmaker> night 20:47:21 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.194] has joined #openttd 20:47:23 <planetmaker> :-( @ glx 20:47:30 <planetmaker> from where would you need to travel? 20:47:47 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:48:01 <glx> I'm near Paris 20:48:07 <planetmaker> uh, yeah. 20:48:12 <Ammler> TGV :-) 20:48:13 <TrueBrain> too bad :) 20:48:25 <planetmaker> Ammler: even then :-) 20:48:34 <glx> Ammler: yes the best way to be late ;) 20:48:35 <planetmaker> By car it's 12 hours. By train... dunno. 20:48:36 <Zuu> My bill ends at 270 euro :-p 20:48:46 <TrueBrain> Zuu: :| :| :| :| :| 20:48:48 <planetmaker> plane might work 20:48:55 <Zuu> (both ways) 20:48:55 <__ln__> Zuu: hur mycket sÀger SAS till dej? 20:48:57 <planetmaker> Zuu: uh... :S 20:49:00 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has joined #openttd 20:49:07 <Zuu> __ln__: haven't checked them 20:49:20 <planetmaker> Zuu: from where do you travel? 20:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: at least you're late at high speed ;) 20:49:44 <TrueBrain> it will cost me .. 80 euro, both ways (gas-price) 20:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: and you paid extra to do so ;) 20:50:16 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: sounds about right 20:50:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:45 <Yexo> TrueBrain: is that totally or per person? 20:50:50 <TrueBrain> totally of course 20:50:51 <planetmaker> Yexo: totally 20:50:51 <Zuu> planetmaker: Malmö/Copenhagen 20:51:03 <planetmaker> Oh, that's indeed acceptable distance 20:51:18 <planetmaker> Zuu: ferry+car? 20:51:33 <TrueBrain> and I guess we will have to take some drinks or something to share with planetmaker :p 20:51:37 <michi_cc> planetmaker: Am I reading that right, party? Would fit, if no ash is interfering, I should be back in Germany on the 17th :) 20:51:51 <planetmaker> nice! 20:52:00 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: cool :) 20:52:04 <planetmaker> yes, you read correctly 20:52:20 <Zuu> My guess is that going alone in a car will not cost more than 270 even if I have to rent it. Maybe with international extra fees. 20:52:25 <michi_cc> And travel would be no problem, seeing that I live near Hannover 20:52:35 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 20:53:14 <michi_cc> I might fall asleep in the evening tough, thanks to Bloody Timezones :) 20:54:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:54:51 <Eddi|zuHause> seems to be 37,50⬠per ticket 20:55:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so unless i get back on the same day, that makes almost 80⬠for me, too... 20:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause> unless someone meets me in Halle and we share the ticket 20:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause> up to 5 people ;) 20:56:35 <__ln__> is that the wunderschönes weekend ticket? 20:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:56:44 <planetmaker> Zuu: I calculated that going by car up to Alesund (Norway) costs ~500⬠fuel 20:56:54 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: sure there's no 1-person edition of it? 20:57:02 *** Weeknie [~Maarten_S@84.27.14.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:02 <planetmaker> (return that is). You're about half-way 2/5 to there 20:57:08 <planetmaker> so 200⬠might be right 20:57:14 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 20:57:15 <Zuu> Ok 20:57:22 <__ln__> fuel is expensive in norway, at least used to be back in 90's. 20:57:22 <Zuu> one-way or two-way? 20:57:32 <planetmaker> two-way money ;-) 20:57:36 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause> don't forget the money exchange fee 20:58:10 <planetmaker> thus I decided to take the plane for that distance. 1/4 travel time for same price (fuel costs halfed) 20:58:28 <Zuu> hmm, so it depends on the car price. My dad's car has the feature of needing you to disconnect the battery when you let it stand unused for any longer time or it will dischanrge. :-p 20:58:48 <planetmaker> :-P lool 20:58:52 <planetmaker> what a nice 'feature' 20:59:09 <Zuu> Renting a volvo would be at about 80 euro. 20:59:11 <glx> a very powerful clock ? 20:59:16 <planetmaker> well, we can arrange that, too, I guess 20:59:25 <planetmaker> (a disconnected battery that is) 21:00:48 <Zuu> I'm not really sure if I would like to go far with that car though as you can't really be sure it will not lose any more functions. :-) 21:01:40 <planetmaker> 6 hours drive according to google 21:02:42 <frosch123> night 21:02:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590feab7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:53 *** xOR [xor@the.x-base.org] has joined #openttd 21:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... DB suggests 30⬠per direction 21:06:07 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you still have a STudentenausweise? 21:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:06:25 <planetmaker> then you probably have free travel by Nasa? :-) 21:06:32 <planetmaker> I like that abreviation ;-) 21:06:34 <Eddi|zuHause> no... 21:06:46 <planetmaker> crappy :-( 21:07:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8d77:e769:508f:a33b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8d77:e769:508f:a33b] has joined #openttd 21:07:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 21:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> included is only within halle during nights and weekend. pay extra for whole day in halle, and more extra if you want one zone outside of halle 21:08:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a bad way... but voting for a full region (MDV) ticket was repeatedly rejected, because it would involve everyone who does not want at least two zones pay more... 21:08:25 <planetmaker> hm 21:08:57 <Eddi|zuHause> MDV is Halle and Leipzig, plus surrounding area 21:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause> south-eastern Sachsen-Anhalt and north-western Sachsen 21:09:41 <Zuu> Oo, only ~20-30 euro to go by ferry to Rostock :-) 21:09:48 <Zuu> (as passenger without car) 21:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause> would have cost every student 100⬠per semester 21:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but that didn't find a majority... 21:10:50 <Eddi|zuHause> damn democracy... 21:11:09 <SmatZ> damne democracy? 21:11:25 * SmatZ should re-enable BNC logging for #openttd 21:11:32 <SmatZ> +d 21:12:09 <SmatZ> oh, ZNC got new web interface 21:12:33 <__ln__> SmatZ: you going? 21:13:24 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.17.240] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:37 <SmatZ> hmm 21:13:49 <SmatZ> __ln__: going where? 21:14:23 <SmatZ> how comes I am able to login to ZNC when the "allowed IP" is 88.146.45.*, but I got different IP now 21:14:50 <__ln__> SmatZ: r20000 party 21:14:50 <xOR> because * is on that list, too? 21:15:07 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.mdv.de/presse/mitteilung/12707_12_18 PM Semesterticketentscheid.pdf <- says only 1/3 favoured the new (larger) model over the existing one at our university 21:15:11 <planetmaker> SmatZ: r20k party 19/20 June at my place 21:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.mdv.de/presse/mitteilung/12707_12_18 PM Semesterticketentscheid.pdf <- says only 1/3 favoured the new (larger) model over the existing one at our university 21:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause> brtgs 21:15:32 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.mdv.de/presse/mitteilung/12707_12_18%20PM%20Semesterticketentscheid.pdf 21:16:03 <SmatZ> __ln__: planetmaker: perfect! 21:16:13 * SmatZ re-enabled logging at #openttd 21:16:15 * SmatZ tests 21:16:22 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@a40-prg1-22-216.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:16:25 <SmatZ_> ohai 21:16:41 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@a40-prg1-22-216.static.adsl.vol.cz] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 21:16:49 <SmatZ> it works :) 21:17:24 <SmatZ> planetmaker: where can I find any further info? 21:17:35 <planetmaker> nowhere so far 21:17:39 <SmatZ> ok :) 21:17:42 <planetmaker> we just decided this evening 21:17:45 <SmatZ> :-) 21:17:47 <planetmaker> Braunschweig 21:17:48 <SmatZ> where do you live? 21:17:53 <SmatZ> :D 21:18:00 <SmatZ> answer before question 21:18:16 <planetmaker> hihi :-) 21:19:10 <planetmaker> might take a bit from your place... 21:19:19 <planetmaker> but would be pretty cool :-) 21:19:23 <SmatZ> ok, about 450kms for me, fine :) 21:19:35 <planetmaker> ui, I suspected more 21:19:40 <TrueBrain> it is funny that going to somewhere in germany from germany can be so expensive .. in the netherlands, at most it would cost 35 euros I believe 21:19:59 <TrueBrain> I wonder if I should ask DarkVater to join :p 21:20:03 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: distances are bigger :-) 21:20:49 <TrueBrain> lol, and at that moment I see him come online at MSN :p 21:20:51 <TrueBrain> how amusing :) 21:21:23 <SmatZ> :-) 21:22:17 <planetmaker> :-) 21:22:28 <planetmaker> then go for it, TrueBrain 21:23:48 <Zuu> Going by ferry I'll get down to about 100 euro in total, given that rostock train station is somewhat close to the ferry terminal. 21:24:04 <planetmaker> I still wonder if I should make a public thread. I guess: why not. It's anyway more people than can sleep in my flat, I think, already :-) 21:24:10 <__ln__> Zuu: still one-way? 21:24:11 <TrueBrain> Zuu: even if it is not, it doesn't change the price :p 21:24:19 <Zuu> __ln__: two-way 21:24:24 <__ln__> damn 21:24:38 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: that is true; and if too many people come, you will need to find some place for us somewhere nearby :p 21:24:39 <TrueBrain> ghehe :p 21:24:51 <planetmaker> I count 12 so far 21:25:12 <TrueBrain> 4 dutch, right? 21:25:53 <planetmaker> TB, Rb, Yx, Alberth and maybe Hirundo 21:26:06 <planetmaker> maybe Xaroth, but I guess we can dismiss him ;-) 21:26:19 <TrueBrain> I am sure if you put it on the forum, more people will come (if not much more) 21:26:24 <TrueBrain> although it is short-term planning, so :p 21:26:30 <SmatZ> V45300 21:26:34 <planetmaker> yes, I suspect that'll be the case 21:26:34 <SmatZ> hmm he's not here 21:26:37 <SmatZ> 0 21:26:49 <SmatZ> @seen V453000 21:26:49 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: V453000 was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <V453000> dont use sound ^^ 21:26:56 *** welshdragon` is now known as welshdragon 21:27:01 <planetmaker> SmatZ: other universe 21:27:04 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: but it is your party, so ;) 21:27:05 <SmatZ> :) 21:27:29 <SmatZ> planetmaker: do you think there are more disjoint universes? 21:27:32 <TrueBrain> let me know how many people will come, and I will take care of the cake :p 21:27:39 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: why disjoint? 21:27:44 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: that amount of people can have a BBQ or so still :-) 21:27:53 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: if they were joint, it would be one universe I think :) 21:27:58 <TrueBrain> oeh, a BBQ sounds like a VERY nice idea 21:27:58 <planetmaker> SmatZ: that's an oxymoron 21:28:11 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: well, it can be non-disjoint and not joint ;) 21:28:12 <planetmaker> uni-verse = all-embracing ;-) 21:28:17 <SmatZ> oh :) 21:28:32 <TrueBrain> like [1,2,3] and [3,4,5] ;) 21:28:49 <Xaroth> planetmaker: I'm not going. 21:29:02 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: that's hard to imagine, at least for me :) 21:29:05 <planetmaker> meh :-( 21:29:25 <SmatZ> :( 21:29:27 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: well, there are good reasons to believe there is some interaction between other universes and ours 21:29:40 <TrueBrain> well, within certain theories of parallel universes at least :p 21:29:52 * SmatZ never heard of such theories 21:30:05 <__ln__> who's going to invite mr. B? 21:30:07 <SmatZ> maybe in sci-fi movies :) 21:30:23 <planetmaker> __ln__: you mean the dolphin? 21:30:27 <SmatZ> :-) 21:30:42 <planetmaker> he has a standing invitation at my place 21:30:43 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I am too hangover to come up with the names, but the current theories say there should be parallel universes :p 21:30:57 <TrueBrain> I think he would be crazy enough to come :p 21:30:58 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: may I doubt that? 21:31:02 <__ln__> i'm not familiar with the concept of the dolphin. :) 21:31:10 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: you may. I am trying to come up with the name ... I fail :p 21:31:16 <planetmaker> :-P 21:31:29 <planetmaker> __ln__: then I don't know whom you mean with Mr B 21:31:30 <SmatZ> :) 21:31:50 <__ln__> planetmaker: the danish one 21:31:54 <planetmaker> oh 21:32:08 <SmatZ> danish Mr. B. ? 21:32:08 <TrueBrain> Copenhagen interpretation :) 21:32:16 <TrueBrain> I browsed all cities before I found it ;) 21:32:21 <planetmaker> @seen Bjarni 21:32:21 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 11 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVADKznOhY <-- wtf. Some rich guy built a trebuchet and uses burning pianos as ammo 21:32:23 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I think they mean the one from Canada 21:32:24 <SmatZ> @seen anyone_danish 21:32:24 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: I have not seen anyone_danish. 21:32:30 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: ok then :) 21:32:37 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: I thought of the canada one, yes 21:32:54 <Terkhen> good night 21:33:00 <SmatZ> good night, Terkhen 21:33:03 <TrueBrain> night Terkhen 21:33:05 <TrueBrain> where does Terkhen live? 21:33:06 <SmatZ> btw, is Terkhen coming? 21:33:07 <planetmaker> night Terkhen . Got travel plans for 19 June? 21:33:18 <glx> TrueBrain: south from me :) 21:33:23 <TrueBrain> sucks 21:33:28 <planetmaker> yeah 21:33:32 <__ln__> he kind of said 'no' earlier 21:33:35 <SmatZ> :( 21:33:40 <planetmaker> oh :-( 21:34:28 <__ln__> 23:14 < Terkhen> __ln__: too much for a student's economy... besides, I'll probably be working 21:34:44 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: was the Copenhagen interpertation not the most accepted interperation of quantum mechanics atm? 21:34:45 <planetmaker> right, thx 21:35:04 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: it's just different sides of the medal. Neither is wrong nor right. 21:35:08 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 21:35:11 <planetmaker> Just different ways of looking at hte same thing 21:35:12 <z-MaTRiX> ;> 21:35:21 <TrueBrain> either way, it depends on the existance of many worlds 21:35:30 <planetmaker> no :-) 21:35:42 <planetmaker> quantum mechanics doesn't require that afaik 21:35:49 <TrueBrain> copenhagen does 21:35:53 <planetmaker> nope 21:35:56 <planetmaker> :-) 21:36:03 <TrueBrain> it in fact defines the probability of observing one path in it 21:36:43 <planetmaker> probabilities of something happening don't require it to happen in another complementary universe 21:36:54 <TrueBrain> but okay, many-world interpertation is more about 1 universe which splits, then multiple universes 21:37:03 <Zuu> night folks 21:37:06 <TrueBrain> night Zuu 21:37:08 <planetmaker> night Zuu 21:37:10 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-f6f4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:25 <planetmaker> hm... I like the BBQ idea in my backyard :-) 21:37:32 <TrueBrain> so, a BBQ it is 21:37:41 <TrueBrain> if you want any financial compenstation, do let us know 21:37:42 <planetmaker> Germans are infamous for their BBQ obsession 21:37:49 <TrueBrain> or we should ask orudge for donation money :p 21:37:53 <planetmaker> :-P 21:37:56 <__ln__> right! 21:38:26 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: bring some Duvel :-) Or ... hm, Alberth is from Eindhoven, right? 21:38:34 <TrueBrain> yeah 21:38:37 <planetmaker> He could bring Hertog Jan ;-) 21:38:52 <SmatZ> http://www.levneletenky.cz/cs/vyhledat-letenku/?StartPtLabel=Madrid+%28MAD%29+-+%A0pan%9Blsko&StartPt=MAD&EndPtLabel=Frankfurt+%28FRA%29+-+N%9Bmecko&EndPt=FRA&zpatecni=1&odlet_label=19.06.2010&odlet=2010-06-19&cabin_pref=Y&prilet_label=21.06.2010&prilet=2010-06-21&airlines=&YTHCount=0&INFCount=0&ADTCount=1&CHDCount=0 21:38:53 <TrueBrain> haha, we will bring the Hertog Jans for you :p 21:38:56 <SmatZ> for Terkhen 21:39:07 <SmatZ> ~100E , 19.6. - 21.6. 21:39:27 <SmatZ> from Madrid to Frankfurt 21:39:43 <__ln__> does anyone remember what part of Spain he's from? 21:39:48 <SmatZ> nope :( 21:40:07 <planetmaker> SmatZ: Frankfurt might not be the best destination within Germany, though 21:40:21 <planetmaker> it's quite some distance to there 21:40:36 <TrueBrain> can anyone advise a mediaplayer? (720p) 21:40:55 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: but I'll think about how we deal with all the food I'll have to get :-) 21:41:05 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 21:41:14 <TrueBrain> yeah, just let us know; I am sure most of us don't mind to chip in a few bucks 21:41:32 <SmatZ> planetmaker: for some reason, I can't search for flights to Hannover 21:41:49 <__ln__> SmatZ: did you try spelling it Hanover 21:42:03 <planetmaker> SmatZ: then Berlin would be better. Yeah, English is Hanover. They spell it wrong 21:43:42 <SmatZ> http://www.levneletenky.cz/cs/vyhledat-letenku/?StartPtLabel=Madrid+%28MAD%29+-+%A0pan%9Blsko&StartPt=MAD&EndPtLabel=Hanover+%28HAJ%29+-+N%9Bmecko&EndPt=HAJ&zpatecni=1&odlet_label=19.06.2010&odlet=2010-06-19&cabin_pref=Y&prilet_label=21.06.2010&prilet=2010-06-21&airlines=&YTHCount=0&INFCount=0&ADTCount=1&CHDCount=0 Hanover, ~200E :-/ 21:48:11 <TrueBrain> either way, night all 21:48:18 <SmatZ> good night to you, TrueBrain :) 21:49:22 <planetmaker> hm, I should go, too :-) 21:49:27 <planetmaker> have a good night folks :-) 21:49:42 <SmatZ> good night to you too, planetmaker :) 21:49:53 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 21:52:17 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:02:14 *** Brin [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 22:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... triple posting is maybe not the best idea... 22:06:25 * SmatZ isn't here to judge you 22:06:39 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA170.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:54 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:17:22 <ccfreak2k> You'd better Hanover your wallet! 22:17:56 <Eddi|zuHause> ... take your feet up... flat joke coming... 22:20:41 <__ln__> 175 Jahre Eisenbahn in Deutschland 22:25:32 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 22:29:28 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:30:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, 1835 22:36:30 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 22:39:06 <__ln__> insane prices... 98 euros one-way for helsinki-rostock for a *seat*. not even a cabin. 22:45:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause> aren't you on the way for a whole day like that? :p 22:48:51 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB45A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> by helsinki-rostock i presume you mean ferry 22:49:24 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure how you get from rostock to braunschweig, though... 22:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> braunschweig is on an east-west line (berlin-magdeburg-braunschweig-hannover), how you approach that from the north i don't know 22:54:02 <Eddi|zuHause> by the looks of it, they send you via berlin 22:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> if you take only regional trains, you go Rostock-Schwerin-Wittenberge-Stendal-Braunschweig (3 transfers) 22:58:28 <__ln__> in any case, doesn't make sense to pay 200⬠just for the ferry, as the flight to hannover is "only" 293â¬. 22:58:37 <__ln__> both ways 22:58:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that is probably the least populated area in germany :p 22:59:09 <__ln__> the ferry also takes something like 27 hours one-way :/ 23:00:34 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 23:00:35 <Eddi|zuHause> train goes every 2 hours, if you arrive after 17:00, you won't make it for that day ;) 23:02:42 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04:02 <__ln__> whatever the method, i think arriving on the german soil one day earlier is necessary 23:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause> this is totally weird... they send you Rostock-Bad Kleinen-LÃŒbeck-Hamburg-Bremen[spend the night (1:30-4:30) here]-Hannover-Braunschweig :p 23:04:51 <__ln__> cool 23:05:22 <Eddi|zuHause> 5 transfers ;) 23:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause> about 60⬠23:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause> can't use weekend ticket, because you wuld need two of them 23:11:29 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:12:14 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.152.194] has joined #openttd 23:18:46 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:25 <orudge> [16:37:45] <TrueBrain> or we should ask orudge for donation money :p <-- only if you hold it here in Minneapolis ;) 23:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge: if the donation money is good for 20ish plane tickets from and to europe :p 23:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause> and i heard they now take "entrance fee" for the USA, like it's a fun park :p 23:27:22 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 23:28:56 <orudge> no "entrance fee" as far as I'm aware 23:29:01 <orudge> maybe as part of other taxes 23:29:05 <orudge> but that's not uncommon for other countries 23:29:21 <orudge> and, well, perhaps not 20, no, unless you all fit yourselves into each others' luggage :p 23:31:47 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 23:32:43 *** potrzebie [~irc@87-249-175-158.ljusnet.se] has joined #openttd 23:37:33 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 23:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.sueddeutsche.de/reise/236/486649/text/ talks about a discussion in the senate to charge 10 dollar by every visa-free visitor (mostly europeans visiting for less than 90 days) 23:39:56 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:44:24 <potrzebie> Hi! I have a bunch of trains, each one with a few coal cars and a few goods cars, going between two stations. I transfer the coal at one of the stations and take cargo (goods), but the coal I just transfered is picked up again :/ Can I solve this with the load/unload/etc-buttons or will I need a extra station? 23:46:17 <Yexo> either you need to make all trains only carry one cargo type (only coal or goods) or you need 2 stations 23:47:47 <potrzebie> I see. 23:48:00 <potrzebie> Thx. 23:51:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E998.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:55 <potrzebie> A setting for "don't pick up what you've just unloaded" would be a very helpful feature :) 23:59:18 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer]