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00:00:24 <TruePikachu> Hey everyone, what is the preferred setting for the ship pathfinder? Xrufuian thinks it's NPF 00:01:00 <ccfreak2k> Doesn't the option window tell you? 00:01:23 <TruePikachu> Yes, and it says the original 00:01:36 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian still insists that NPF is reccomended 00:02:39 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:03:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20533 /trunk/src/ (ai/api/ai_vehicle.cpp depot_gui.cpp vehicle_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: shuffle a bit with the bits in the sell command 00:05:15 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@banning.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 00:11:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has joined #openttd 00:20:35 *** fmauNeko [~fmauneko@237.54.71-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:30:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20534 /trunk/src/ (57 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: unify the naming of the 'vehicle must be stopped in depot' strings 00:46:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20535 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Codechange: make the 'vehicle must be stopped in depot' strings consistant 00:48:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20536 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: unify the refitting of vehicles 00:48:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20537 /trunk/src/ (vehicle_cmd.cpp vehicle_func.h): -Codechange: make RefitVehicle a static (local) function 00:48:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has joined #openttd 00:52:30 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:41 *** BobbaayB [482dbe38@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:58:06 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58:10 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 00:58:52 <BobbaayB> What happens when I want to replace old train engines, but there are none to select from? 00:59:42 <BobbaayB> How do I put new engines in the available list? 00:59:48 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c908.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:00:01 <BobbaayB> hello? 01:00:27 <SmatZ> hello 01:00:31 <BobbaayB> hi 01:00:35 <BobbaayB> thank you 01:00:39 <SmatZ> BobbaayB: you can replace only engines you have 01:00:49 <BobbaayB> yes i know 01:01:02 <BobbaayB> but there aren't any to replace them with 01:01:06 <SmatZ> try changin rail type in the dropdown in the bottom midle 01:01:17 <SmatZ> it should read "rail vehicles" by default 01:01:32 <BobbaayB> yes it does 01:01:41 <SmatZ> so change it to something else :) 01:01:53 <SmatZ> or do you mean, you can't select engine to replace to? 01:01:59 <BobbaayB> but it is still blank on the right side 01:02:05 <BobbaayB> yes 01:02:09 <BobbaayB> thats what I mean 01:02:19 <BobbaayB> there aren't any to replace them with 01:02:43 <BobbaayB> even if I wanted to build new ones, there aren't any engines 01:03:02 <BobbaayB> just cars 01:03:07 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c19d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:03:31 <SmatZ> BobbaayB: go to Advanced settings, Vehicles, enable Vehicles never expire 01:03:32 <BobbaayB> I had 3 different ones, but they just slowly one by one disappeared 01:03:52 <SmatZ> then open console by ~ and type "resetengines" 01:03:56 <SmatZ> +enter 01:05:46 <BobbaayB> ahh perfect thankyou 01:05:59 <BobbaayB> now I have 7 engines 01:06:07 <BobbaayB> thanks alot 01:06:11 <SmatZ> you are welcome :) 01:06:31 <SmatZ> enable "Vehicles never expire" in the main menu, so your new games are started with that setting enabled 01:06:58 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c42d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-255-191.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:07:55 <BobbaayB> ok 01:08:07 <BobbaayB> one more question, sorry 01:08:28 <BobbaayB> how do I replace an engine with the same type? 01:08:34 <BobbaayB> is this possible? 01:08:45 <BobbaayB> t isn't on the right side 01:08:50 <BobbaayB> it* 01:09:14 <Yexo> you can do it by enabling autorenew 01:09:18 <SmatZ> enable "Autorenew" in "Advanced settings/Vehicles" 01:09:32 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/Autorenew 01:10:29 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c908.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:33 <BobbaayB> ahh ok thanks again :) 01:16:14 <BobbaayB> so just change it from red to green and it should work? 01:16:29 <BobbaayB> or do i have to type in something aswell? 01:17:16 *** sylf_ [~sylf@ip68-102-171-119.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:09 <SmatZ> BobbaayB: just make it green 01:18:27 <SmatZ> great, just great 01:18:37 <SmatZ> windows istalled some updates and rebooted itself 01:19:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20538 /trunk/src/ (airport.cpp table/airport_movement.h): -Codechange: introduce a few macros to initialize the airport classes 01:20:00 <BobbaayB> oh ok yes it worked, thanks :) 01:20:05 *** BobbaayB [482dbe38@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 01:20:22 <SmatZ> :) 01:21:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:22:21 *** sylf [~sylf@ip68-102-171-119.ks.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:14 <dotwaffle> If I were to checkout the latest svn tag (for instance, 1.0.3) and run ./configure but with "--without-icu", is that ok to distribute as 1.0.3 or would it be preferable to distribute as "1.0.3-withouticu"? I'm testing out OSX builds. 01:39:25 <Eddi|zuHause> <VVG> Rubidium: It behaves ok in rev17268, which is the rev diff i copied those bits of code from is made against. <- is that the one i updated? 01:40:52 <avdg> dotwaffle: I think you can't distribute osx binaries so long the problem with the static libraries isn't fixed 01:41:57 <avdg> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3972 01:42:36 <dotwaffle> avdg: Ah! I had assumed "--enable-static" did what it said on the tin =) 01:42:38 <dotwaffle> Thanks. 01:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause> dotwaffle: icu is only for "weird" languages, it doesn't change gameplay. thus calling it 1.0.3 is ok 01:44:15 <dotwaffle> Eddi|zuHause: thanks. for some reason, the linker tries to use libicudatag (the only library I have it libicudata) so using --without-icu was the only way i could get it to compile. 01:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> only really important library is zlib 01:47:07 <glx> dotwaffle: as often, icu-config doesn't work (similar stuff happens on windows) 01:49:23 * dotwaffle strokes chin 01:50:50 <dotwaffle> unless I'm misreading this, zlib is used for save/load and something in the network code? 01:51:19 <dotwaffle> How important is saving, really? =) 01:51:34 <avdg> for local games and backups :) 01:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, saving is not the problem, you can make uncompressed savegames 01:51:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause> but loading is 01:52:14 <avdg> :p lol 01:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> loading includes joining a multiplayer game 01:52:24 <dotwaffle> ah, that makes sense. 01:53:11 <dotwaffle> just out of interest, what's the compression ratio like? 01:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause> depends mainly on the amount of trees ;) 01:54:08 <dotwaffle> DEFLATE is stream based, isn't it? 01:54:33 <dotwaffle> (as in, not sliding window) 01:55:02 <Eddi|zuHause> a 2048^2 map takes about 64MB of memory, and about 4MB of savegames 01:56:13 <dotwaffle> 115kB for a 256x256, I see.... 01:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea how it works internally 01:57:19 <dotwaffle> I'm just having a play with it atm, looks fairly interesting... 01:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you can set the compression method in the .cfg, so you can make uncompressed savegame and compare 01:58:42 <dotwaffle> which .cfg? the compiled or the source? 01:59:36 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd.cfg 02:00:22 <dotwaffle> ah, user, got it 02:01:37 <dotwaffle> savegame_format = 02:01:54 <SmatZ> [03:54:38] <dotwaffle> (as in, not sliding window) <== you can't use sliding window for streams? 02:04:30 <dotwaffle> SmatZ: my mistake, deflate is (of course) a sliding window compressor. I've gone slightly mad. =) 02:04:31 <avdg> hmm 4:04 here 02:04:38 <avdg> need to sleep 02:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> sleep is totally overrated ;) 02:06:13 <dotwaffle> 3:06 here... I've got to be up in 5 hours... But I'm too interested in this now ;) 02:06:26 <avdg> :p 02:06:41 <avdg> I had nights of 2 houres too 02:07:19 <avdg> but with 1 houre left, I think I can forget my sleep :p 02:07:24 <dotwaffle> this is only spurned by the fact my idiot housemate decided to delete his OpenTTD install off his mac, and I can't find the image I downloaded, so I'm re-compiing it for him. Tsk. 02:08:07 <avdg> :p 02:08:38 <dotwaffle> Someday I'm just going to put an Ubuntu VM on his mac and force him to use that. 02:09:12 <dotwaffle> but i bet that doesn't work with ipv6. hurumph 02:09:13 <avdg> just for openttd? 02:10:04 <avdg> install tools, get svn checkout, configure, make, done 02:10:09 <avdg> :p 02:10:38 <dotwaffle> there are four of us living here. we have a weekly openttd-athon, so it's essential we have a working openttd for windows (michael) ubuntu (me and o) osx (pete). 02:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> it's mac, everything is more complicated there... 02:10:52 <dotwaffle> hehe :) 02:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> everything connected with development, that is. 02:11:16 <dotwaffle> at least I've got it compiled now. i'll have to wait to see if the bundle opens, as I don't have a remote desktop into his laptop, only ssh 02:14:15 <dotwaffle> Eddi|zuHause: it says here that zlib is included in osx by default... is it really necessary to statically compile it? 02:17:40 <TruePikachu> hello from McDonalds 02:17:47 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-226-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 02:17:51 <dotwaffle> heh 02:18:57 <TruePikachu> xrufuian and i were death feeding a factory as opposing companies 02:20:56 <TruePikachu> we got it to reach 1k crates/month 02:21:45 <TruePikachu> And he stole all the goods, despite the fact i did most of the work 02:22:47 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7d11:3385:e2:7c03] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:27:32 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-151-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:28:33 <TruePikachu> @seen xrufuian <-- IDK if he's been _here_ today 02:28:33 <DorpsGek> TruePikachu: seen [<channel>] <nick> 02:28:52 <TruePikachu> @seen xrufuian 02:28:52 <DorpsGek> TruePikachu: xrufuian was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 2 hours, and 44 seconds ago: <Xrufuian> Sugestion: Use both NARS and UKRS. 02:31:40 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-156-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:01 * TruePikachu is back home 02:59:54 * TruePikachu just came up with a very cruel practice for Multiplayer 03:01:01 <TruePikachu> 1. Lower entire map to sea level EXCEPT for the parts that touch water 03:01:20 <TruePikachu> 2. Let opponents build at sea level, while you remember to build a bit higher 03:01:42 <TruePikachu> 3. After ages of opponent construction, lower a water interface point to sea level 03:01:45 <TruePikachu> 4. ??? 03:01:49 <TruePikachu> 5. PROFIT!!! 03:04:52 <VVG> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, that one 03:13:34 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-164-223.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:16:03 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-183-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 03:16:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:22:25 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c19d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:06 <TruePikachu> I just brought the world population to 0 03:27:08 <TruePikachu> It was fun 03:27:13 <TruePikachu> But slow... 03:35:17 *** DarkTomas [5b0a0ac3@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 03:35:29 <DarkTomas> Hello anyone here? 03:36:10 *** DarkTomas [5b0a0ac3@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 03:40:41 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:46:57 <TruePikachu> I'm here 03:47:07 <TruePikachu> :( he left 04:31:55 *** imachine [imachine@mlink.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:35:56 *** avdg 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480 seconds] 10:42:03 <Hirundo> what should the effect of setting that flag be? 10:44:26 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:58 <andythenorth> Hirundo: makes more CC options available 10:45:13 <andythenorth> It would be nice to be able to choose different colours for sail / steam / diesel ships 10:45:18 <andythenorth> similar to trains 10:45:43 <andythenorth> could also be used to decide type of smoke (if ships ever get smoke) 10:45:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.74.94] has joined #openttd 10:46:04 <andythenorth> could also select the sound effect, but there might be an alternative way to do that already. 10:46:24 <SpComb> annoying when you build a long line to a "major" city somehwere a little far away 10:46:44 <SpComb> but then it turns out that a "minor" city along the way actually grows faster than said major city, and actually has a larger population now 10:58:53 <Ammler> blathijs: where would you install the gfx/msx/sfx docs to? 10:59:30 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c19d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:51 <Ammler> /usr/share/doc/openttd/openmsx 11:01:14 <Ammler> I guess, it needs a DOCDIR var like INSTALLDIR, that doesn't make it easier, does it? 11:02:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:44 *** Sacro_ [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:34 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.mfld.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:02 <blathijs> Ammler: I need them in /usr/share/doc/openttd/openttd-openmsx, since that is the package name on Debian 11:12:50 <planetmaker> would adding a conditional variable DOCDIR be of help? 11:12:53 <blathijs> Ammler: Perhaps it would be good to have a DESTDIR variable as well, which is the root of where things should go 11:12:59 <planetmaker> e.g. set it and docs will go there? 11:13:10 <planetmaker> s/e.g./i.e./ 11:13:12 <planetmaker> hmpf. 11:13:32 <blathijs> perhaps rename INSTALL_DIR to something else as well? If there's a DOC_DIR, INSTALL_DIR is a bit too generic? 11:13:58 <Ammler> planetmaker: I don't think, you can detect the package name, so yes, you would need a docdir 11:14:22 <blathijs> e.g., have DOC_DIR and DATA_DIR perhaps? 11:14:25 <blathijs> or GM_DIR even 11:14:33 <planetmaker> hm... INSTALL_DIR ... dunno anymore why I chose it. But... 11:14:39 <Ammler> blathijs: should work for every set 11:14:42 <planetmaker> would be DATA_DIR ;-) 11:14:56 <blathijs> good point 11:15:13 <Ammler> and default is /usr/share/doc/openttd/openmsx 11:15:16 <planetmaker> but then it could as well be called BIN_DIR or so. 11:15:26 <planetmaker> I shall also dig for the usual names 11:15:47 <planetmaker> which I *thought* INSTALL_DIR would be. But... long ago :-) 11:15:54 <Ammler> blathijs: why does it need package name there? 11:15:58 <blathijs> so install the docs into $DESTDIR/$DOC_DIR and the .mids and .obm into $DESTDIR/$DATA_DIR/gm/openmsx. Let DESTDIR default to "", DOC_DIR to /usr/share/doc/openttd/openmsx and DATA_DIR to /usr/<something> ? 11:16:07 <Ammler> isn't that give by openttd/openmsx? 11:16:19 <blathijs> Ammler: THe debian package name is openttd-openmsx 11:16:33 <blathijs> and on Debian documentation should go into /usr/share/doc/<packagename> 11:16:40 <Ammler> yep 11:16:48 <Ammler> but that is not what you pasted above :-) 11:17:39 <blathijs> uh, where? 11:17:42 <blathijs> ah 11:17:43 <blathijs> there 11:17:54 <blathijs> Hmm, I was mistaken the first time :-) 11:17:59 <Ammler> you don't do that with openttd 11:18:21 <Ammler> there it just fits because binary name is equal to the package name 11:19:38 <blathijs> Huh? 11:19:55 <blathijs> and on Debian documentation should go into /usr/share/doc/<packagename> <-- This is right, the previous remark was wrong 11:20:15 <Ammler> this is the same also in rpm 11:20:46 <blathijs> but perhaps the defaults shouldn't need to be adapted to .deb, they probably need overriding anyway 11:21:08 <blathijs> It's just important that they can be changed by us 11:21:35 <blathijs> (In fact, do people actually use "make install", apart from package builders?) 11:21:51 <Ammler> don't think so 11:22:09 <Ammler> well, the make install in the pm makefile is a bit special there 11:22:34 <blathijs> "the pm makefile" ? 11:22:41 <planetmaker> the makefile 11:22:50 <planetmaker> pm is my short nick ;-) 11:22:52 <Ammler> the Makefile framework used by the base sets 11:23:15 <blathijs> Ah, created by pm :-) 11:23:20 <Ammler> does make install per default still install to ~/.openttd? 11:23:39 <blathijs> I guess that might be good defaults for installing 11:24:03 <planetmaker> hm... I don't thing ;-) 11:24:08 <planetmaker> ~/.openttd/data maybe 11:24:23 <Ammler> imo, "install" implies root usage and so it should go to /usr... 11:24:51 <blathijs> (btw, for the DESTDIR thing I mentioned: This is commonly used to tell make install where the "fake root fs" lives, so that DOC_DIR and DATA_DIR can just point to /usr/share/something, while the install really happens into /tmp/package/usr/share or something) 11:25:23 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@banning.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:25:29 <Ammler> yeah, Rubidium teached us that already with nforenum/grfcodec :-) 11:25:38 <blathijs> (It is also important that DESTDIR is taken from the environment when make install is run, so no need to put it into Makefile.local. It is common run "DESTDIR=/somewher make install") 11:25:43 <blathijs> s/run/to run/ 11:26:06 <Ammler> on rpm world, it is called buildroot 11:27:01 <Ammler> since the basesets require openttd to be installed 11:27:39 <Ammler> is it stupid to install the docs to /usr/share/doc/openttd/openmsx per default? 11:28:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:28:04 <blathijs> It sounds reasonable 11:28:16 <blathijs> I won't be using the default either way, so I guess I don't really care ;-) 11:28:46 <Ammler> yeah, and the Makefile isn't able to detect the package name 11:28:59 <Ammler> so if you use something else then openmsx you have to define it 11:30:17 <Ammler> well, if pm like to keep make install to $HOME 11:30:26 <Ammler> everyone has to define it anyway 11:30:39 <blathijs> works for me 11:31:16 <blathijs> Another thing: Would it be possible to let gfx and sfx install separate files instead of a tarball (perhaps by default, or as an option)? 11:31:20 <blathijs> Just like msx? 11:31:45 <blathijs> On the long run, this would be easier when comparing package versions, for example 11:33:14 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1264 <-- pm created a ticket about 11:35:04 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:35:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:36:06 *** Sacro_ [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:32 *** George is now known as Guest830 11:41:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 11:42:39 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-183-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:36 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bttdcCavGBw <-- we need realistic submarines in openttd! :) 11:44:53 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-36-248.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:44:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:45:48 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:47:43 *** Guest830 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:21 *** perk11 [~perk11@85.175.205.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:00 *** perk111 [~perk11@94.233.238.47] has joined #openttd 11:52:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 12:00:31 *** MindlessTux [~bdavenpor@mindlesstux-2-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #openttd 12:20:11 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:31:59 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:32:16 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:22 *** IPG [~chatzilla@5400C36F.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 12:34:10 <IPG> hi 12:36:44 *** sifr [~hbha@194.247.82.76] has joined #openttd 12:37:32 <Rubidium> heffer: not sure whether you noticed yet, but the stable releases of nforenum and grfcodec have been published 12:37:35 <Rubidium> hi IPG 12:39:12 <IPG> i'm tried to make map from heightmap, and two times it crashed, and the third time it did it, i use the latest nightly 12:39:27 <IPG> do i post it to the flyspray? 12:39:46 <IPG> it was something about the town generating as i saw 12:40:13 <Rubidium> yes, with the heightmap you're using and the crash.log, crash.dmp, crash.png and such 12:40:37 <IPG> ok 12:41:31 <Belugas> hello 12:42:41 <Rubidium> ehlo Belugas 12:46:40 <Belugas> hi hi, sir Rubidium you 12:47:15 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: freight submarines? 12:47:22 <andythenorth> add a cargo to FIRS: illicit narcotics? 12:49:48 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@237.54.71-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:03 <fmauneko> Ohai 12:51:00 *** fmauneko is now known as fmauNeko 12:53:18 <IPG> posted 12:53:48 <IPG> im trying to do the crash again, but it always works.... :/ 13:09:53 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:15:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad04:2178:e4c8:4b52] has joined #openttd 13:15:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:15:40 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-45f2e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:17:44 <Belugas> beurk... too much to do, forgot to "enjoy" the coffee 13:17:48 <Belugas> now it's almost cold 13:18:00 <Belugas> WHO CARES!!! it's still coffee!!!! 13:18:44 <glx> junkee ;) 13:19:10 <Forked> cold coffee that is suppose to be warm.. yuck. 13:19:22 <Belugas> who?? me??? naaaaaa 13:25:23 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.37] has joined #openttd 13:28:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:31:23 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:14 *** sifr [~hbha@194.247.82.76] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:53:57 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.74.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:10 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:02:56 *** sifr [~hbha@194.247.82.76] has joined #openttd 14:06:49 *** sifr [~hbha@194.247.82.76] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 14:12:51 *** zachanim1 [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:12:51 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:18 *** zachanim1 [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 14:15:08 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:17:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.165.204] has joined #openttd 14:33:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@85.175.111.168] has joined #openttd 14:34:30 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 14:38:12 *** perk111 [~perk11@94.233.238.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:32 <Ammler> does someone still use opengfx nightlies? 14:48:56 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:06 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 14:49:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.108] has joined #openttd 14:55:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.183.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:49 <fmauNeko> Ammler: I do 14:57:14 <fmauNeko> But I don't upgrade every day, it more around once a week 14:57:19 <fmauNeko> it's* 15:01:51 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:04:00 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:23 *** Dx [4df97c4d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:06:16 <Dx> Good afternoon y'all! 15:10:24 <planetmaker> :-) At least someone does, fmauNeko :-) 15:10:27 <planetmaker> hi Dx 15:11:11 <planetmaker> fmauNeko, we just wonder(ed) why there's little feedback ;-) or no comments to any changes made in the nightlies ;-) 15:14:03 <Belugas> people never actually send any feedback, unless something big (see disaster) stop them from enjoying life 15:15:56 <planetmaker> yeah 15:16:02 <planetmaker> :-( 15:16:54 <avdg> they just don't know how to report the issues or are too afraid or don't know what to do 15:17:17 <planetmaker> yeah... we have only do-not-readmes ;-) 15:17:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20539 /trunk/ (14 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make order backups more self-contained. 15:22:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r20540 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4049](r20480): use CmdDeleteTown instead of direct use of operator delete 15:25:05 <Dx> I'm trying to update a patch from before r10k to trunk. But I'm not at all familiar with the OpenTTD code base. Is there a way to search the documentation or do I have to check every file with, for example, "rail" or "train" in the name manually? :P 15:26:34 <SmatZ> Dx: that's going to be a lot of work 15:26:44 <SmatZ> maybe it's easier to just rewrite the patch from scratch 15:28:38 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:30:34 <Rubidium> knowing which patch it is we might give a better suited reply than generic stuff 15:33:59 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:36:01 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:39:28 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:40:13 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20541 /trunk/src/ (order_backup.cpp order_backup.h vehicle.cpp): -Fix: when removing a vehicle update the "clone orders of"-vehicle of a backed up order, or remove it if there is no vehicle sharing orders with that vehicle. 15:59:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:32 <planetmaker> whatever the patch, a re-write will be easier ;-) 16:02:34 <Rubidium> lies... there are plenty lines that haven't changed since r1 16:03:23 <planetmaker> :-) 16:04:05 <roboboy> is that the r1 try 2 or r1 the original? (: 16:04:54 <Rubidium> try 2 16:05:55 <Rubidium> VpSetPlaceSizingLimit <- has not changed at all since r1 16:06:24 <avdg> hmm⊠I'm too scared to touch the whole mouse event handler code, seems too much work 16:07:24 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:41 <Dx> Sure, a rewrite seems inevitable, but that still leaves the fact that I need to get familiar with the code :P 16:08:37 <avdg> I'm a bit familiar with the code atm, but not with the api and object/variable relations and stuff 16:08:48 <Rubidium> it should be easy according to the mails we receive: "PS. I really like your source code. It's organized very neatly and easy to get started in as an outsider. 16:09:00 <avdg> :p 16:09:15 <avdg> I just need time and less fear 16:09:46 <avdg> well, I like clean code, thats a fact 16:09:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:10:22 <Dx> The code looks fine, that's not the problem. I just don't feel like spending a day reading code to find all entries that might be of relevance ;) 16:11:35 <avdg> brb 16:12:13 <Belugas> VEERY GOOD reason, Dx, man.. this is such a nice logic you have there... 16:12:20 <Belugas> yes, i'm quite sarcastic 16:13:35 <Dx> Good for you, I enjoy making other people just a little happier :P 16:16:33 <avdg> bck 16:19:08 *** fmauNeko [~fmauneko@237.54.71-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:19:54 <SmatZ> Dx is awesomeness 16:21:54 <Zuu> avdg: Do you have a problem with the DispatchLeftClick function? 16:22:10 <avdg> no, thats just a part :p 16:22:39 <avdg> I have a problem with the whole left click and I'm figuring now out how it works 16:23:07 <avdg> holding a button is in most cases impossible 16:23:19 <avdg> it feels unnatural 16:24:33 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@237.54.71-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:48 <avdg> my current idea is to split the code up in onMouseUp and onMouseDown 16:24:57 <avdg> but I'm not a c++ coder :p 16:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause> he still has not told us what exactly he wants to do... 16:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> only what he does not want... 16:29:09 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@237.54.71-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [] 16:29:22 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@237.54.71-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:02 <glx> avdg: MouseUp and MouseDown are OS dependant IIRC 16:30:49 <avdg> if you can detect if the mouse is pressed, you can save the state in a variable 16:32:44 <avdg> @Eddi|zuHause: What do you need then? 16:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not talking about you 16:33:29 <avdg> lol 16:41:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:52 *** Adambean [AdamR@83.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 16:51:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:55:05 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:14 *** rtypo [rtypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 17:06:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20542 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: generalise the setting of "p2" to the ClientID. 17:07:32 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:09:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:30 *** sylf [~sylf@ip68-102-171-119.ks.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:41 *** sylf [~sylf@ip68-102-171-119.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:04 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 17:11:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-169-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:16:27 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0eed0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20543 /trunk/src/company_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r20542): compilation failed when networking was disabled 17:24:53 <Ammler> he, who does find such bugs? 17:28:27 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:44 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:30:33 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:32:49 <Rubidium> Ammler: my DOS cross-compile 17:33:12 <Ammler> oh, roboboy infected you :-) 17:33:30 <Rubidium> which is part of a bunch of GCC compilers that I run (usually) somewhere before the nightly run 17:34:38 <Rubidium> and those checkouts all have slightly differing configure settings, so it tries to catch a lot of issues over a lot of configuration and GCC versions 17:34:38 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 17:35:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 17:35:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:35:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 17:35:16 <Ammler> he, your little own compile farm 17:36:30 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:39 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:02 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:44:40 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20544 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 19 changes by KorneySan, Wowanxm 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 15 changes by josesun 17:45:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 40 changes by Christopher 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 4 changes by jpx_ 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 3 changes by glx 17:51:02 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:58:16 *** IPG [~chatzilla@5400C36F.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 18:00:38 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:06:53 <andythenorth> hi hi 18:07:03 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 18:08:52 * andythenorth wonders where to post a request for ship 'type' action 0 property. Flyspray? Suggestions forum? NewGRF dev forum? 18:09:18 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c436.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:44 <planetmaker> spam all of them ;-) 18:09:50 <planetmaker> moin andythenorth 18:10:04 <andythenorth> bleargh 18:10:06 <andythenorth> hi planetmaker 18:10:46 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:12:52 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:55 *** perk11 [~perk11@85.175.111.168] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:15:57 <Rubidium> andythenorth: the German forum! 18:16:08 <andythenorth> that is truly a good suggestion 18:16:15 <Wolf01> 'night 18:16:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 18:16:41 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c19d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:43 <andythenorth> the man who fixed my windows used to work at Microprose in Chipping Sodbury, but I don't think he knew CS 18:16:54 <Rubidium> andythenorth: though I'd say the NewGRF dev forum 18:17:58 <andythenorth> ok 18:23:04 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:36 <Hirundo> Is there any way to prevent (default) industries from changing production without changing the source code? 18:27:11 <Belugas> i think one caqn completely control industries production via grf code 18:27:33 <Belugas> but then, it's not default industries, at least not completely 18:27:50 * Belugas thinks again about a frozen economy model 18:29:41 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:57 <Hirundo> Seems frosch once made something: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=735659#p735659 18:34:55 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d7c8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:43 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:37:15 <planetmaker> yes 18:37:37 <Belugas> and how did he did it? yes yes yes.. writing a grf! 18:37:58 <Belugas> how wonderfll is this world we are living in! 18:39:58 <Hirundo> it's simply amazing 18:42:13 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c436.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:52 *** George is now known as Guest12 18:46:56 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 18:52:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20545 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: make sure an OrderBackup gets cleared when the depot it belongs to gets removed, the depot window gets closed or when another vehicle gets sold in a depot 18:53:18 *** Guest12 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff21a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:59 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d47e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:07 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20546 /trunk/src/command.cpp: -Fix (r20542): starting AIs shouldn't cause an assertion to trigger 19:01:17 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.com/T2f4Vrqq <-- that's correct NFO? 19:02:27 <frosch123> half of it is not needed, but looks correct 19:03:10 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d7c8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:30 <planetmaker> hm, what other half is needed? 19:03:33 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8f46c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:56 <planetmaker> (Not version information or translation of grf name) 19:04:46 <frosch123> well, you do not need the "MASK" in that case 19:04:56 <frosch123> but you need an NPAR if it is not somewhere else 19:05:53 <planetmaker> yes, that's before in a separate sprite 19:08:22 * frosch123 wonders how old lenny actually is 19:09:45 <frosch123> hmm, should i try etch instead, or just continue with gentoo 19:09:54 <frosch123> er squeeze it is 19:09:56 <Rubidium> Feb 2009, frozen between OpenTTD 0.6.1 and 0.6.2 19:10:10 <Rubidium> i.e. frozen somewhere summer 2008 19:10:13 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d47e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:14 <frosch123> ok, that explains :) 19:10:41 <planetmaker> lol 19:10:51 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c19d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:28 *** Dx [4df97c4d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:14:15 <andythenorth> Terkhen: the kind of project you like :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=49733 19:18:13 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8f46c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:23 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c35a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:28 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-189-100.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:23:27 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.37] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 19:23:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:20 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-45f2e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27:46 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c19d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:02 *** yorick [yorick@free.cookies.at.shellium.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:48 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@09GAADDRC.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:33:29 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 19:34:17 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad04:2178:e4c8:4b52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:29 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad04:2178:e4c8:4b52] has joined #openttd 19:34:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:38:09 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:41:03 *** yorick [yorick@free.cookies.at.shellium.org] has joined #openttd 19:43:08 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:15 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-189-100.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:21 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8de5e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:09 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad04:2178:e4c8:4b52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad04:2178:e4c8:4b52] has joined #openttd 19:48:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:51:57 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:23 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d2a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:52:43 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c35a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:34 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:56:55 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:57:13 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cb11.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:03 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8de5e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:50 <Terkhen> I've never understood why the company colour window has so many settings 20:01:15 <andythenorth> eye candy :) 20:01:28 <Terkhen> which other features besides smoke/effects could this add in the future? 20:01:36 <andythenorth> when I can be bothered, I use most of the CC settings 20:01:38 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:48 <andythenorth> notice how the trains get a lot more than the other vehicles though :P 20:01:52 <andythenorth> fricking train nerds 20:01:55 <Terkhen> I'm not a big fan of eye candy myself 20:02:02 <Terkhen> yeah, trains usually get more of everything :P 20:02:21 <andythenorth> why can't truck nerds code so well? 20:02:36 <Terkhen> there's less of them 20:02:39 <andythenorth> :) 20:02:50 <andythenorth> resp. what other features this could be used for... 20:03:03 <andythenorth> ...there is an idea kicking around about sailing ships being affected by wind :o 20:03:12 <andythenorth> I blame pikka for that :P 20:03:14 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d143.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:33 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d2a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:08 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d6bd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:48 <Terkhen> AIs / pathfinder would love that 20:06:06 <andythenorth> AI authors might not love it :o 20:06:19 <Rubidium> andythenorth: but then the "fricking train nerds" want to have the smoke affected by the wind as well! 20:06:48 <andythenorth> well it's more realistic yes / no? 20:07:00 <andythenorth> trains should also require fuel 20:07:08 <andythenorth> blah blah blah blah 20:07:19 <Rubidium> that's why I like the steam powered log rafts :) 20:07:50 <Rubidium> the wood that gets lots at the stations is just the wood used to power those rafts 20:08:25 <andythenorth> how about one of these? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/09/eatr_beta/ 20:10:38 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cb11.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:38 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d143.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 20:11:46 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ca40.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:20c1:d3c8:ae47:f8b0] has joined #openttd 20:19:08 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d6bd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:10 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:25:18 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:47 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:28:14 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:29 *** sylf [~sylf@ip68-102-171-119.ks.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:02 <Ammler> [network]no_http_content_downloads = false <-- what is that for 20:36:27 <Ammler> ? 20:36:32 <Rubidium> for not using the mirrors, i.e. when http horribly fails in some way 20:36:45 <Rubidium> so happy happy leave it as it if it works 20:36:53 <Ammler> ok :-) 20:37:54 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 20:39:23 *** MindlessTux [~bdavenpor@mindlesstux-2-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:36 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 20:40:01 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@banning.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20547 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 3 dirs): -Change: the way order backups are performed. Now restoring an order doesn't require up to 765 commands. 20:49:11 <SmatZ> :) 20:52:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B779BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:38 *** sylf [~sylf@ip68-102-171-119.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B763E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:35 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 21:17:25 <Belugas> night all 21:17:29 <andythenorth> bye 21:18:04 <SmatZ> bye bye Belugas 21:18:07 <avdg> cya 21:18:57 <planetmaker> g'night Belugas 21:19:01 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:00 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:22:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:29:40 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.37] has joined #openttd 21:31:09 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:37:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff21a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20548 /trunk/src/network/ (core/tcp_game.h network_command.cpp network_server.cpp): -Codechange: rename some variables giving them slightly more meaningful names 21:43:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:12 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.37] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:58:36 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:00:10 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:00:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:34 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:07:23 <VVG> hello 22:07:47 <VVG> I've got a question about p2 parameter of CmdSetTimetableStart 22:08:10 <VVG> Is that amount of ticks a vehicle should wait from current tick until the start of timetable? 22:08:33 <Terkhen> planetmaker: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=49734 <-- this issue is solved if the {} is removed 22:09:14 <planetmaker> oh, I didn't notice there was one in the string. Thanks, I'll take a look 22:10:28 <Terkhen> I'll check if I can make multilines work in those buttons (in spanish they also take almost all the space) 22:10:43 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:44 <planetmaker> Translation fixed. 22:12:06 <planetmaker> Well. Then in our translations the window is a bit wider. Doesn't hurt much 22:12:41 <Terkhen> yeah, it is not high on the todo list but it'd be nice to have 22:14:02 <planetmaker> But the one which was there was one which I forgot to remove (again) after we talked about it. 22:17:36 *** JakeGrimshaw [~jake.grim@5ad30319.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:17:49 <JakeGrimshaw> evenin' all 22:19:31 <planetmaker> Terkhen: thanks for the translation 22:19:33 <planetmaker> :-) 22:19:37 <planetmaker> And now: have a good night 22:19:43 <Terkhen> you are welcome :) 22:19:47 <Terkhen> good night planetmaker 22:19:49 <Terkhen> hi JakeGrimshaw 22:20:14 <JakeGrimshaw> can anyone shed any light as to the best way of uploading a video to the forums 22:20:40 <JakeGrimshaw> just upload it as an .avi, or upload it to youtube then embed it 22:21:41 <Rubidium> it's doubtful any large video can get uploaded to the forum (the limit is 4MiB) 22:22:46 <JakeGrimshaw> I see.. so youtube is a better bet ? 22:23:31 <Rubidium> VVG: it's just a "simple" date 22:23:40 <Rubidium> i.e. days since "epoch" 22:26:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:17 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 22:27:45 <VVG> so, i have to do to supply p2 as DateToTicks(_date) + X amount of ticks, if i want timetable to start in X ticks since current one? 22:31:59 <Rubidium> no, it is a date that you pass. It doesn't do "ticks" 22:32:53 <Rubidium> or in other words... you can't say: "tomorrow at noon"; it's always "tomorrow at midnight" or "the day after tomorrow at midnight" 22:33:33 <Rubidium> so you'll have to convert those ticks into days 22:33:42 <Rubidium> i.e. _data + X / TICKS_IN_DAY 22:35:02 <VVG> ahha, no wonder it doesn't work for me 22:36:14 <Ammler> if I start openttd stable in a openttd nightly workspace, I got some pinky things :-) 22:38:21 <SmatZ> :) 22:38:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: with the original graphics? 22:38:42 <Ammler> yes :-) 22:38:42 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.12.214] has joined #openttd 22:39:08 <Ammler> well, I know why, I was just abit confused first 22:39:33 <Ammler> openttd stable is installed 22:40:06 <Ammler> that is how I made some quick tests between stable and nightly 22:40:27 <Rubidium> yeah, stable misses action14 22:40:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20549 /trunk/src/network/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: centralise the handling of the incoming commands (from clients and the server) 22:40:58 <Ammler> so openttd does load the openttd.grf from the workspace obviously 22:42:13 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:19 <SmatZ> infoa bout palette, finally :) 22:43:01 <SmatZ> (I have missed a lot in last two months) 22:43:20 <Ammler> openttd -i0 solves it 22:43:30 <Ammler> hehe 22:43:37 <SmatZ> :) 22:44:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-169-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44:13 <Ammler> but now the newgrfs will go crazy, I assume 22:47:44 <Ammler> is it possible to tell openttd not reading .openttd at startup? 22:48:03 <Ammler> (without recompile) 22:48:51 <Rubidium> HOME:=/tmp/ openttd ? 22:50:24 <Ammler> that breaks it 22:50:28 <VVG> I'm confused. If it's in days, does the comment line "* @param p2 The timetable start date in ticks." still holds? 22:50:31 <Ammler> no vid driver 22:51:11 <Ammler> --without-personal-dir caused a whole recompile :-o 22:51:29 <glx> of course, you reconfigured 22:51:30 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0eed0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 22:51:51 <Ammler> well, if I force the revision, that doesn't happen 22:52:09 <glx> but you changed a setting 22:52:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20550 /trunk/src/timetable_cmd.cpp: -Fix: documentation of CmdSetTimetableStart 22:52:23 <Rubidium> VVG: just update 22:52:26 <VVG> To be precise, i was certanly confused. After the explanation this comment line looks outdated to me, since code directly operates with _date. 22:52:45 <VVG> oh 22:56:13 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:43 <Ammler> if openttd crashes the music continues :-) 22:59:35 <glx> external app yes 23:00:39 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:44 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:46 <Rubidium> Ammler: and if the music crashes OpenTTD continues... oh, except on MacOSX and Windows... 23:01:09 *** murr4y [~murray@169.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:19 <Ammler> :-D I didn't find the openttd task to make it silent 23:01:58 *** JakeGrimshaw [~jake.grim@5ad30319.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 23:02:00 <Ammler> shall I set every font sprite bit6 to make it not crop? 23:09:44 *** TB [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 23:10:27 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:19 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/newgrf.php?1=0:673 <-- any idea what those empty sprites 93+ are for? 23:11:23 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:12:37 *** murr4y [~murray@169.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:02 <Rubidium> Ammler: get your ASCII table :) 23:13:20 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 23:15:22 <Rubidium> Ammler: that table follows (more or less) the ISO-8859-1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO-8859-1#ISO-8859-1) 23:16:33 <Rubidium> you'll notice that after the empty sprites the ¢, £, Â¥ and © (and more) are at the same place as they would be in the ISO-8859-1 table 23:17:09 <Rubidium> so the missing/empty ones are the ones that are empty in ISO-8859-1 as well 23:17:29 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21:06 <Ammler> yeah, and sprite 226 should be space, right? 23:21:25 <Rubidium> sprite 2 actually 23:21:38 <Ammler> that is for med font, 226 for small font 23:21:49 <Rubidium> that might be possible yes 23:22:26 <Ammler> it is called "random thingy" in opengfx source :-) 23:23:20 <Rubidium> that's arguably a correct name for the thing that gets put randomly between those stranges shapes 23:25:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:20c1:d3c8:ae47:f8b0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:24 <Ammler> dbg: [driver] extmidi: gracefully stopping failed, trying the hard way 23:28:50 <Ammler> I just wonder, if there are any other chars which don't like cropping 23:29:37 <Rubidium> you could start by checking which chars do get cropped 23:29:52 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 23:29:54 <Rubidium> that way you'd reduce the number of characters to check :) 23:30:03 <Terkhen> good night 23:30:51 <Rubidium> night Terkhen 23:31:15 <Ammler> none has bit6 set 23:32:25 <Rubidium> Ammler: but you can check which ones get actually cropped, i.e. reduce in size 23:32:51 <Ammler> you mean kind of decode the grf again and diff? 23:33:08 <Ammler> that sounds complicated 23:34:22 <Ammler> it sounds somehow resonable, the sprite doesn't have something else then blue and there it could confuse grfcodec 23:34:49 <Rubidium> Ammler: yep 23:39:07 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:40 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad04:2178:e4c8:4b52] has joined #openttd 23:40:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 23:44:17 *** _glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad04:2178:e4c8:4b52] has joined #openttd 23:46:27 *** glx is now known as Guest48 23:46:27 *** _glx is now known as glx 23:47:16 *** Guest48 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad04:2178:e4c8:4b52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:18 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ad04:2178:e4c8:4b52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]