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00:08:24 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:09:03 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: it doesn't work, simply due to the fact that signals can't consider speed. you either get slow trains trying to overtake faster trains, or you get trains waiting behind trains that have broken down, without trying to overtake 00:15:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75CBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:19:57 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:21:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75CBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:58 <TruePikachu> Eddi|zuHause2: :( 00:25:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:32:25 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-71-94.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47:35 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:55:10 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: zzZZZzzz] 01:08:48 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:19:00 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c9db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:43 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:47:13 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:56:10 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 01:56:10 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:11 *** none [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:26 <TruePikachu> Lol, was just reading a site that posted in their blog that they decompiled a game for 3-5 year olds, and found a huge database of 'innappropiate' words (i.e. cuss), and a function from which those words can easily be displayed 02:03:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:25:56 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-140-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:29:51 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a445:4ae8:43a3:acc1] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:31:44 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-133-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:30 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 02:45:33 *** lasershk [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:05 *** lasershk [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 02:57:55 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe03dc00-56.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 02:58:56 * TruePikachu successfully crashed his Wii 02:59:30 <TruePikachu> while loading Openttd.org on it 03:00:04 <TruePikachu> Someone should check the webserver 03:02:34 <TruePikachu> I don't have any idea of the problem, and Firefox didn't crash 03:03:09 <TruePikachu> Neither did the DS web browser, which is Nintendo-Opera, just like the Wii 03:03:36 <TruePikachu> It could be a random bug; I may be able to submit a report to the FS 03:05:13 <TruePikachu> FS: Nope, no categories fit. 03:12:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Seep.] 03:48:39 <ccfreak2k> How about launching openttd on your Wii? :) 04:03:32 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:11:47 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 04:12:14 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:30:23 *** asnoehu [~thok@82.75.115.73] has joined #openttd 04:43:16 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:50:42 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 04:52:55 <devilsadvocate> TruePikachu, there are elaborate track and signal configurations that let you do that. they are good for goofing around / playing in the insane ottdcoop games, but in general I've found them to be somewhat tiresome 04:56:35 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75DEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:03:09 <planetmaker> moin 05:04:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75CBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:11:03 <Rubidium> oi 05:21:48 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:28:25 * __ln__ is back from the land of the free 05:29:20 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:30:35 <roboboy> ello 05:30:56 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 05:54:06 <planetmaker> hm, interesting perl script... nice addition to grfcodec -d for vehicles 05:56:59 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:39 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:13:29 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:17:00 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17:27 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:17:47 <roboboy> fecking DOS doesn't like my mouse anymore. It liked it earlier this week 06:18:42 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:18:55 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:22:34 <planetmaker> did you install cat? ;-) 06:24:03 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:36:13 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:37:47 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:39:53 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:40:35 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.49.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42:00 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 06:43:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:43:57 <Terkhen> good morning 06:45:15 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:01 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:21 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 07:10:37 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:10:37 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 07:11:17 *** Goulpy is now known as Muxy 07:13:22 <SmatZ> __ln__: back from Norway? 07:13:35 <Forked> Norway! \o/ 07:13:51 <SmatZ> :) 07:17:17 <dihedral> good morning 07:17:27 <SmatZ> hello dihedral 07:17:41 <dihedral> :-) 07:32:37 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:41:33 <dihedral> <SmatZ> deadlock is not good <- if there were good deadlocks they would not have that very distinctive prefix "dead" :-P 07:48:59 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:06:26 <SmatZ> "hello" has prefix "hell" and there isn't anything bad about that :-p 08:07:06 <SmatZ> (well, not prefix...) 08:13:31 <Rubidium> but being a deadpan during poker can be good 08:15:13 <dihedral> :-P 08:15:36 <SmatZ> :) 08:23:52 <Rubidium> deadbolt locks for that matter are generally quite good as well (except when you need to break them) 08:24:11 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:10 <SmatZ> :) 08:25:31 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:32:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc181e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:23 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 08:35:36 <dihedral> stdeady :P 08:42:13 <planetmaker> hm, was actually my impression correct that - if version information is available via action14 - only the newest version of a newgrf is displayed in the newgrf selection dialogue? 08:42:27 <Rubidium> yes 08:42:57 <Rubidium> also that one will be loaded if the "correct" one is missing 08:43:08 <Rubidium> though the "correct" one still takes precedence 08:44:28 <planetmaker> I'd like a switch to enable a "show all available versions" 08:44:28 <planetmaker> Currently I couldn't design a scenario with stable versions when I have my development versions around 08:44:39 <planetmaker> By default this hiding of old versions is good though :-) 08:44:48 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:45:06 <Rubidium> planetmaker: something like a "newgrf_developers" like an "ai_developers" setting? 08:45:26 <planetmaker> Possibly. I already thought whether it could just use the very same setting 08:46:01 <planetmaker> But maybe a new one is better; there might be players with the same desire. Not sure 08:46:26 <Rubidium> planetmaker: "newgrf_show_old_versions" setting? 08:46:42 <planetmaker> maybe not newgrf_... but addon_... 08:46:47 <planetmaker> then it could apply to AI just the same 08:47:12 <planetmaker> no need for two different settings IMHO 08:47:38 <planetmaker> But it might be nice to have a toggle in the selection window 08:48:01 <planetmaker> or would that be unfavourable? 08:48:22 <Rubidium> planetmaker: my point is... that last setting is available in OpenTTD's since r20259 08:48:28 <Rubidium> s/'// 08:49:42 <planetmaker> :-D 08:49:49 *** PierreW [sbnc@get-free-money-to-poker-with-at.no-deposit.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:49:51 <planetmaker> I didn't notice that 08:50:48 <planetmaker> it's a cfg-only setting? 08:50:58 <Rubidium> yes! 08:51:16 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:11 <planetmaker> hm... either my routing to openttd.org is broken or openttd.org has issues 08:53:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's "routing" 08:53:33 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:58:06 <planetmaker> hm... :-( or :-) 08:58:47 <Rubidium> there's definitely something with the routing, just look at the end of http://www.ams-ix.net/cgi-bin/stats/16all?log=totalall;png=daily 08:59:42 <planetmaker> yes. no ping of openttd.org. xs4all.nl is fine. So are most of my other usual pages 08:59:59 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:31 <planetmaker> :-D I could look at that 2 minutes ago. Now it doesn't work anymore ;-) 09:02:55 *** lordaro [~the_overl@host86-150-59-169.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:04:05 <Rubidium> oh... good reasons to migrate to IPv6! openttd.org is still reachable over IPv6 09:04:55 <planetmaker> you might have different routing than I do :-) 09:05:07 <lordaro> can i assume from the fact that i can't connect to openttd.org and the comment above, openttd.org has gone down? 09:05:16 <planetmaker> no 09:05:20 <Rubidium> lordaro: yes and no 09:05:43 <lordaro> yes AND no? 09:05:44 <Rubidium> it looks down, but the server is still alive; it can be reached over IPv6, but it can't over IPv4 (what most people use) 09:06:02 <lordaro> and that's annoying? 09:06:15 <lordaro> :) 09:06:16 <Rubidium> in other words, somewhere someone messed up a router's configuration or a router blew out 09:06:57 <lordaro> how long to fix? 09:07:03 <planetmaker> lol 09:07:19 <Rubidium> lordaro: you'd have to ask the owner of the broken router 09:07:34 <planetmaker> He'd first have to find out who the owner is :-) 09:07:34 <Rubidium> which is... idunno in idunno 09:07:53 <Br33z4hSlut5> is that an apple product? 09:07:55 <planetmaker> good point: and where :-) 09:08:05 <planetmaker> cisco most likely 09:08:29 <Br33z4hSlut5> iDunno ;) 09:08:39 <lordaro> where in relation to us? e.g. server room or whatever 09:09:04 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:16 <planetmaker> lordaro, given that I cannot reach the website of one of the major European internet hubs, amx, it's a major hub 09:09:24 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:26 <planetmaker> *router 09:09:59 <planetmaker> *ams-ix 09:10:05 <planetmaker> whatever ;-) 09:10:19 <lordaro> planetmaker: so we can guess that someone else has noticed? 09:10:28 <planetmaker> rest assured 09:10:42 <planetmaker> there'll have rung quite some alarm bells, I guess 09:11:02 <Rubidium> http://noc.leaseweb.com/status.php?i=554 <- yeah, they noticed 09:11:27 <planetmaker> maybe. maybe not ;-) Oh... reachable 09:11:29 *** PierreW [sbnc@bnc.peterbox.net] has joined #openttd 09:11:32 <lordaro> i can imagine lots of people running around panicking already :-D 09:11:55 <planetmaker> nope 09:12:02 <Rubidium> lordaro: I'd say one or two, the rest know it's not in their part of the universe so they can't really do something 09:12:15 <planetmaker> that'd be the totally wrong reaction and they're professional trained to solve this 09:12:46 <Rubidium> and calling those poor lads that need to fix it is very counterproductive 09:12:53 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 09:12:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 09:12:55 <planetmaker> :-) 09:14:30 <lordaro> i suspect it's something to do with this: http://noc.leaseweb.com/status.php?i=555 09:15:43 <Rubidium> that, together with 554 makes some sense. Evoswitch starting to do stupid and taking down some other routers 09:16:52 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 09:17:24 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:36 <Rubidium> looking at when DorpsGek went missing, the timeline makes sense as well 09:18:10 <Rubidium> nice to see that the IPv6 network seems quite separated from the IPv4 network, so it doesn't take down everything 09:18:25 <planetmaker> yup :-) 09:18:38 <Rubidium> now we "only" need ISPs to dish out proper IPv6 addresses to their users and we can all benefit from redundant internet 09:18:43 <planetmaker> Hm... my institute should convert to ipv6 ;-) 09:20:52 <SpComb> "both core routers are dropping BGP sessions" 09:20:55 <SpComb> *sounds of doom* 09:21:17 <planetmaker> nevertheless it's interesting that the most traffic usually is experienced at 22h :-) 09:21:36 <planetmaker> though I guess that's the time Americas also start to create some 09:22:11 <lordaro> everyone should get IPv6, but its the same reason nobody in britain is getting fibre broadband - a combination of nobody can be bothered, and it's too expensive 09:23:02 <lordaro> oh, and the reason i came onto irc in the first place: is TrueBrain here? his name's on the list... 09:23:18 <planetmaker> the 'only' expensive thing about ipv6 really is to actually install it 09:23:49 <planetmaker> lordaro, you certainly don't befriend him, if you start with meta-questions ;-) 09:23:51 <Rubidium> actually... it is to replace old hardware/firmware and the management tools 09:25:16 <Rubidium> lordaro: if his name is on the list he's likely in here 09:25:24 <Rubidium> he might, for some reason, not answer directly 09:26:00 <Rubidium> but waiting for him to reply that he is here adds a considerable amount of "lag" 09:26:18 <planetmaker> :-) 09:26:51 <lordaro> ok then.... 09:26:51 <lordaro> TrueBrain: could you be so kind as to go here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=49818 and answer the questions regarding the AI Tournament... 09:26:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 09:27:38 <planetmaker> that might actually work :-) 09:27:53 <dihedral> probably yes :-P 09:29:28 <lordaro> :) 09:34:12 <lordaro> nobodies said anything: who likes my AI? 09:35:24 <planetmaker> an AI developer's life is hard. Feedback is scarce... 09:35:28 * Rubidium "plays" with 2 AIs exclusively 09:35:34 <planetmaker> last time I tested it it worked for me afair 09:35:36 <Rubidium> "dummy" and "regression" 09:35:40 <planetmaker> :-D 09:36:09 <planetmaker> openttd is reachable again :-) 09:36:40 <Rubidium> planetmaker: only now again? It's been for 25 minutes over IPv4 for me 09:38:57 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc181e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40:55 <Eddi|zuHause> around the time DorpsGek came back, i presume ;) 09:41:53 <Ammler> he, you should switch to ipv6 then ;-) 09:42:25 *** lordaro [~the_overl@host86-150-59-169.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:43:02 *** lordaro [~the_overl@host86-150-59-169.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:45:13 *** keoz [~keikoz@82.230.2.115] has joined #openttd 09:47:08 <lordaro> still nothing from TrueBrain...unless i missed it when i closed the chat window accidently..:) 09:47:24 <planetmaker> de-cix and ams-ix seem to have nearly the same traffic through-put 09:47:44 <planetmaker> lordaro, have patience and allow for at least 24h response time 09:48:14 <planetmaker> anything else is... unrealistic 09:48:17 <lordaro> lol, thought as much 09:48:35 <planetmaker> being on IRC doesn't mean someone is online 09:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen him say anything recently... 09:49:02 <planetmaker> and if online it doesn't mean in front of the keyboard 09:49:21 <planetmaker> and if in front of the keyboard it doesn't mean to have time for past-time activities 09:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> he didn't even complain anymore about Pi-Gesundheit stealing his prefix... 09:49:36 <planetmaker> yep, true 09:49:37 <planetmaker> :-P 09:49:45 <lordaro> i know, that's why i asked whether he was there when i asked to start with...... 09:49:47 <lordaro> :p 09:50:17 <planetmaker> lordaro, how shall we know? 09:52:11 <lordaro> he would say: "yes i am here" or something similar... 09:52:33 <planetmaker> I would not 09:52:50 <Terkhen> I would get annoyed from being highlighted without reason :P 09:52:52 <planetmaker> I would silently wait for someone to ask a real question ;-) 09:52:58 <planetmaker> Terkhen, exactly :-) 09:54:00 <lordaro> again, which is what i did... 09:54:00 <lordaro> so what he's basically done is gone to sleep/gone out and left his computer on... 09:54:19 <planetmaker> as such, lordaro, I'd answer your request to answer in the forum topic, either here, when I'm online or later in the forums when not. But not questions concerning my online status 09:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> how should we know? 09:55:05 <planetmaker> maybe he's wind-surfing the ijselmeer (How do I spell it?) 09:55:34 <lordaro> whatever, i going now anyway. i will return in 24 hours to see whether he's stopped wind surfing ;) 09:55:40 *** lordaro [~the_overl@host86-150-59-169.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 09:55:45 <planetmaker> lol 09:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i think he's more the climbing than surfing guy ;) 09:58:32 <planetmaker> true :-) 09:58:57 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 10:00:53 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: night] 10:07:01 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8692.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:20 <VVG> g'day 10:26:44 <TrueBrain> +1 for impatient people 10:26:56 <TrueBrain> +2 for people who asks you to read something and answer something, where you can't fnd a question 10:27:05 <TrueBrain> +3 for people who ask you specific something, while they could have asked any other .. 10:27:08 <TrueBrain> I am lost ... 10:27:12 * TrueBrain goes back in his cave 10:29:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i feel with you ;) 10:30:56 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ti112220a080-1110.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:34:49 *** StuffR [~StuffR@f048109098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:36:27 <StuffR> hey together! Does someone compile with mingw and mysys? Where i must place the zlib.h that libpng can find it? 10:37:31 <dihedral> see ./configure --help, there might be a --with-zlib=DIR ;-) 10:38:01 <dihedral> else see CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS 10:38:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has joined #openttd 10:39:33 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ti112220a080-1110.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:34 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ti112220a080-1110.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:43:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20633 /trunk/docs/ (landscape.html landscape_externals.html landscape_grid.html): -Cleanup: and clarify some bits in the landscape documentation and make them pass the validator again. 10:43:42 <VVG> 20617: trying to play Alpine reloaded scenario from bananaes gives assert "Assertion failed at line 37 of ..\src\date.cpp: fract < DAY_TICKS" 10:44:30 <StuffR> the problem is that make throws an error not ./configure 10:44:31 <StuffR> png.h:397:18: fatal error: zlib.h: No such file or directory 10:44:53 <StuffR> ./configure runs without errors 10:50:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20634 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Fix (r20592): gracefully do the date_fract format conversion when an older OpenTTD savegame which loaded an ancient savegame still has the old date_fract "format". 10:52:09 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc181e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that must be a bitch fiddling with an incorrect savegame conversion ;) 10:54:48 <dihedral> :-D 10:55:05 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: more like a total lack of conversion 10:55:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well "identity" is also a conversion ;) 11:04:02 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c9db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:29 *** lordaro [~the_overl@host86-150-59-169.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:18:47 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 11:18:58 *** welshdragon [~dragon@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 11:27:26 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-5d8208c8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:04 *** avdg [~Adium@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:34:31 *** StuffR [~StuffR@f048109098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 11:35:15 <lordaro> curious. no one has said anything for the last 20 minutes=-O 11:35:24 <Noldo> oh no! 11:35:52 <lordaro> oh sorry, were you trying to get to 30? 11:37:13 <Noldo> now we'll never know :| 11:37:26 <Rubidium> nope, even bigger than 30 minutes... and you missed your reply to your previously posted question as you went offline 11:40:09 <planetmaker> :-) 11:49:18 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ti112220a080-1110.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:34 <heffer> Rubidium: remeber you asked me for some feedback on the new grfcodec and nforenum releases from a packager PoV? i know i'm a bit late but i ran into some issues while updateing that packages today 11:50:55 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-115-110.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:51:25 <Rubidium> yep, I did. Is one file exists twice in the tarball one of the problems? 11:52:10 <heffer> Rubidium: no 11:52:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:46 <heffer> Rubidium: it's the makefile stripping the binaries automatically (as imo they should be stripping them optionally) and the make install command installing docs somewhere 11:53:45 <heffer> Rubidium: for nforenum here is what i did in the spec to prevent this: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=nforenum.git;a=blob;f=nforenum.spec;h=693eea73f0e823a0ab4391fe863ee87a1618714b;hb=HEAD 11:54:07 <heffer> Rubidium: woops, wrong link 11:54:35 <Rubidium> yay for distros having different wishes; for Debian/Ubuntu they "want" the docs installation 11:54:44 <heffer> Rubidium: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=nforenum.git;a=blob;f=nforenum.spec;h=9e512bff67c04dac17a250b7697ef73288f67b72;hb=refs/heads/master 11:54:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "future drivers licenses are only valid for 15 years, currently existing licenses must be renewed until 2033. Repeating the test is not planned." 11:54:57 <heffer> especially see the %build and %install section 11:55:02 <Rubidium> though you can configure it so it'll install it to say the objs/ dir 11:55:41 <heffer> Rubidium: for RPM based distros the doc files get installed if you list them in the %doc section in %files 11:56:08 <heffer> Rubidium: the reason being that you can install rpm files without additional docs to save disk space 11:56:12 <Rubidium> but you can override the docs installation directory 11:56:46 <Rubidium> so let it "happily" install in the objs directory 11:56:59 <heffer> Rubidium: yes i could be doing that 11:57:37 <planetmaker> :-) There's no way to set a default path which pleases everyone 11:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "The first unified drivers license in germany was introduced in 1909, a central register for driving violations in 1910" 11:58:10 <heffer> planetmaker: yea, you're right. that's the joy of having different distros :D 11:58:20 <planetmaker> yep :-) 11:59:05 *** SteelSide [~SteelSide@217.76.87.68] has joined #openttd 11:59:19 <planetmaker> while we're at it: if you have special wishes for the base sets: tell me ;-) 11:59:38 <Rubidium> obviously configurable data and docs directories :) 11:59:40 <planetmaker> though solutions for nforenum / grfcodec / base sets might look somewhat similar 11:59:45 <planetmaker> yeah... :-) 12:00:03 <planetmaker> I guess that's already mathijs' wish :-) 12:00:50 <SteelSide> Hi, I just downloaded openttd and started building rails. I read the more in-depth guide for rail building, including where to put depots, and it was suggested they be put before loading or after dropping of cargo for the train, cause the income would depend on how long time it took before goods were delivered. At the same time you get more revenue for the logner distance = longer time, thus, isn't it a bit backwards, and it's better to load the train f 12:01:00 * SteelSide notices the wall-of-text and hides in the corner 12:01:01 <Rubidium> heffer: you can put the DESTDIR into Makefile.local as well 12:01:37 <Eddi|zuHause> SteelSide: your message was incomplete 12:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> SteelSide: "it's better to load the train f" ...? 12:02:10 <heffer> Rubidium: so i guess the way i do things (by using the Makefile.local) is definitely fine for me. just so you know what Fedora uses for defaults :D 12:02:39 <SteelSide> At the same time you get more revenue for the logner distance = longer time, thus, isn't it a bit backwards, and it's better to load the train full, take time in the depo, and then deliver? 12:02:52 <heffer> Rubidium: having the DESTDIR in the specfile is standard procedure for Fedora packages, so I think I'll just leave it there. 12:06:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:23 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone ever thought about getting signals on waypoints? 12:07:33 <Rubidium> heffer: actually I think it's better to install the docs to objs and use the installed docs 12:07:49 <Hirundo> SteelSide: Income indeed depends on time taken, but in a negative way 12:07:59 <Hirundo> So you'd want to transport as far as possible in the least possible time 12:08:02 <Rubidium> heffer: that'll trim some unneeded documentation for users 12:08:04 <SteelSide> Hirundo, aha. so distance = ++ income, but time = income-- 12:08:21 <heffer> Rubidium: okay. i think i'll try that then 12:08:21 <SteelSide> And I who cheaped out on the trains to make it take longer time ._. 12:09:42 <SteelSide> how often should trains be serviced aprox? Is it often enough to put it to service between every cargo run? 12:10:58 <planetmaker> SteelSide, never. But I play without breakdowns ;-) 12:11:18 <SteelSide> pff :p 12:12:39 <planetmaker> otherwise: it's a good idea to service it at least once per round-trip 12:12:47 <planetmaker> but it depends upon how reliable your engine is 12:13:02 <SteelSide> riaght.. 12:13:17 <SteelSide> buses then? 12:13:24 <Yexo> and on the length of the route, if the train has to travel 1000 tiles I'd let it service more than once (especially for slow trains) 12:13:50 <Yexo> why not just use the default servicing interval? 12:14:13 <SteelSide> there's a default? 12:14:41 <Yexo> if you don't give them any "goto depot" orders they'll service automatically when they need to 12:14:43 * Rubidium sees a clearing in the 80mm a day rain and takes that to do some shopping 12:14:46 <Yexo> I think every 150 days for trains 12:14:58 <Ammler> heffer: shouldn't %doc path/to/installed/doc do the same as %doc build/docs/whatever 12:15:51 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:16:11 <SteelSide> oh ok Yexo, where can I see the interval? 12:16:26 <Yexo> bottom of the vehicle details window 12:16:45 <Yexo> the default is in advanced settings->vehicles->servicing 12:17:29 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:34 <SteelSide> oke thanks 12:18:21 * Eddi|zuHause feels like he is on everyone's ignore list 12:18:56 * dihedral waves hello to Eddi|zuHause 12:19:49 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: is here? 12:19:51 <heffer> Ammler: yes it would 12:19:58 <heffer> so that is what i'll be doing then 12:22:06 <SteelSide> wooooo! Signals for the aboslute beginners 12:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> SteelSide: suggestion: always use path signals 12:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is there a cookbook for adding Yet Another Advanced Setting? 12:23:47 <SteelSide> Eddi|zuHause, hmm? any particular reason? 12:24:35 * planetmaker hugs Eddi|zuHause in a completely un-ignoring way 12:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause> SteelSide: they are doing The Right Thing (tm) in 98% of the situations you'll come across as a beginner 12:24:55 <Ammler> heffer: I meant, you can run %doc also for installed docs, not just build docs: %doc %{_docdir}/readme.txt 12:25:20 <Ammler> or am I wrong? :-) 12:25:56 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ti112220a080-1110.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 12:26:05 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: add it to settings_type.h, table/settings.h and if you want it to show up in the gui also to settings_gui.cpp 12:26:06 <heffer> Ammler: %doc takes the file and installs it to /usr/share/doc/foo-1.0/ 12:26:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2d88:6ed9:cb40:20da] has joined #openttd 12:26:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:26:47 <heffer> so if you do %doc /usr/share/doc/nforenum/foo.txt it'll copy that file to /usr/share/doc/nforenum-4.0.0/foo.txt 12:27:11 <heffer> and you'd still have the error that /usr/share/doc/nforenum/foo.txt is not in %files 12:28:40 *** asnoehu is now known as tycoondemon 12:33:49 <SteelSide> Eddi|zuHause, ok. and with them I only need to space them real sparse right? cause they cover until next signal? (whereas block signals only cover 1 block ahead?) 12:34:19 <Eddi|zuHause> SteelSide: what? i think you misunderstood it... 12:35:15 <SteelSide> :( 12:35:52 <SteelSide> From my understanding a path signal shows the green/red light for the next stretch of rail, ending only at the next signal, station or depot 12:36:01 <SteelSide> while block signals only cover 1 tile ahead? 12:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> no 12:36:15 <Yexo> no, a block signal is green only if there is no train in the next block 12:36:26 <SteelSide> next block... =? game tile? 12:36:27 <Yexo> a block is all connected rails and ends at any signal 12:36:29 <SteelSide> oh 12:36:55 <Yexo> a path signal is red by default and will only turn green when there is a train in front and only when that train can reserve a route to the next signal 12:37:06 <Yexo> with path signals you can have multiple trains in one block if their paths don't conflict 12:37:35 <SteelSide> ooh sweet 12:37:40 <SteelSide> so why would one want to place block signals? 12:38:06 <Yexo> legacy, and because some smart constructs can only be build with presignals 12:38:25 <Yexo> <Eddi|zuHause> SteelSide: they are doing The Right Thing (tm) in 98% of the situations you'll come across as a beginner <- those are the 2% Eddi|zuHause talked about 12:45:35 <SteelSide> can you use path signals for multi-bay stations? or do you need pre-signals for that? 12:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, no. 12:56:05 <Rubidium> heffer: have you found the INSTALL_DOCS_DIR setting? You can do make install DESTDIR=/foo/bar/path INSTALL_DOCS_DIR=objs/docs and then everything of importance for %doc is in objs/docs 12:57:55 <heffer> Rubidium: yes i think I'll use that when i next update the package 13:03:25 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ti112220a080-1110.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:34 <SteelSide> when building something, does the area covered have inpact on business? Say there's a coal mine covering 3x3 squares, and I cover one row of 3. Is this equally profiteable as covering the whole 3x3 grid? 13:05:43 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 13:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this is the first time i have seen a plane crash on the title screen... 13:06:15 <Belugas> hey ho hello 13:08:19 <planetmaker> hey Belugas 13:08:28 <planetmaker> SteelSide, for industries it doesn't matter 13:08:48 <planetmaker> It of course matters within towns as each house contributes to the acceptance and delivery separately 13:08:59 <SteelSide> yeah ok, but industries don't, great :D 13:09:16 <SteelSide> thanks 13:09:25 <planetmaker> as long as your station says it accepts it's fine 13:09:45 <planetmaker> not every tile of an industry accepts everything; so it might be insufficient to cover just one tile 13:09:58 <planetmaker> but you'll be told what is accepted when you build the station 13:10:14 <SteelSide> yeah ok 13:21:22 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/industry_platform.diff <-- thoughts? errors? 13:22:55 <Yexo> I recognize that patch :p 13:23:01 <Eddi|zuHause> [contains savegame bump] 13:23:09 <Yexo> uint size_x = max_x + 2 + 2 * _settings_game.construction.industry_platform; <- shouldn't that be 13:23:13 <planetmaker> Is it needed? 13:23:16 <Yexo> uint size_x = max_x + 3 + _settings_game.construction.industry_platform; 13:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: no, i believe this is correct 13:23:33 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause wants a bigger platform for industries? 13:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no, a smaller one 13:23:44 <planetmaker> It's basically an implementation of what newgrf can do 13:23:44 <Rubidium> in any case, it won't apply 13:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: how? 13:23:57 <planetmaker> savegame version :-P 13:24:07 <Rubidium> ^ 13:24:22 <Rubidium> and the added string looks German-ish :) 13:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... then my working copy was not up to date... 13:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: damn, and i already fixed the capitalisation of "Area" ;) 13:25:05 <Rubidium> i.e. the capital for Industries and Tiles doesn't seem necessary 13:26:07 <Rubidium> hmm, would tile{P 1 "" s} work? 13:27:47 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe 13:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> updated patch, still compiling: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/industry_platform2.diff 13:30:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: imho english could really use some of the capitalisation rules ;) 13:30:10 <SteelSide> any way to show latest headlines? (or whatever tha annoying whitebox at the bottom is called) 13:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause> SteelSide: there's a newspaper icon in the toolbar. click and hold that 13:31:40 <SteelSide> right.. I feel stupid, I just found it myself 13:31:49 <SteelSide> I looked until I saw the audio button and was like "k.. nothing more now" 13:32:17 <planetmaker> SteelSide, feel free to browse the http://wiki.openttd.org 13:36:13 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause wants a bigger platform for industries? <-- i was always annoyed about the 1 extra tile of flat land around the industry, and have a patch for ages that reduced that additional area to 0. i just thought i could make this generic as well... 13:36:15 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes, I guess it could 13:36:55 <planetmaker> make it a non-gui option ;-) 13:37:37 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: why? 13:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 tile isn't enough to put a decent station anyway, so people might want to increase it... 13:38:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:38:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't see how it could cause some serious damage when newbies set it the wrong way... 13:40:24 <planetmaker> There's an inflation of settings :-) 13:40:41 <planetmaker> I guess... GUI is fine. It just needs setting pre-sets 13:41:28 <planetmaker> It really becomes an increasingly tedious task to create a game with just the right [TM] settings 13:41:39 <roboboy> hello momentarily 13:45:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not seen momentarily 13:46:05 <Hirundo> will assert(expr) have an effect in release builds (assuming expr has relevant side-effects) ? 13:47:38 <Rubidium> Hirundo: in "default" release builds, i.e. normal release in MSVC and normal compiles with gcc, the assert remains, i.e. it has side effects 13:48:26 <Rubidium> in stable release builds, e.g. release of 1.0.3, assertions are disabled which means the expression has NO side effect; it's not in the binary 13:49:50 <Hirundo> OK, thanks 14:03:09 *** bubersson [~bubersson@stechovice.eurosignal.cz] has joined #openttd 14:08:08 <SteelSide> what the hell.. train broke down 3 days after service 14:09:27 <ccfreak2k> Got your warranty card> 14:11:54 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:15:45 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-15-222.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:05 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:16:57 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:59 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-55-170.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:18:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:18:27 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc181e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:57 *** bubersson [~bubersson@stechovice.eurosignal.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:20:21 *** Bixoo [Bixoo_ZzZz@83.231.83.81] has joined #openttd 14:20:39 <Bixoo> hello 14:21:07 <Terkhen> hi Bixoo 14:21:23 <Bixoo> Terkhen: i'm viewing OPEN TTD 14:21:47 <Bixoo> i was an old player of original Transport Tycoon 14:22:26 <planetmaker> *OpenTTD without space :-) 14:22:41 <planetmaker> also hello Bixoo 14:22:47 <Bixoo> Terkhen: i'm viewing how make some patches on it with newGFX etc 14:23:26 <Bixoo> planetmaker: hi man...i'm here in a bored hour after lunch meat with rice and Coke *BURP* 14:23:29 <planetmaker> writing a newgrf or writing a patch which extends newgrf specs? 14:23:44 <Bixoo> no no 14:23:47 <Bixoo> what you say 14:24:00 <Bixoo> download patches from online repository only hehehhe 14:24:10 <planetmaker> ? 14:24:32 <planetmaker> the online content has a number of add-ons. 14:24:35 <Bixoo> planetmaker: downloading NewGRF content 14:24:36 <planetmaker> I'd not call them patches 14:24:51 <planetmaker> ok. You want to write a NewGRF? :-) Good. 14:25:18 <Bixoo> in what development IDE was make the game? 14:25:31 <Bixoo> i meant...what compiler for windows version? 14:25:36 <planetmaker> NewGRF are... binary coded 14:25:55 <planetmaker> You don't need to compile OpenTTD, if you only want to write a newgrf 14:26:12 <Bixoo> the music is MIDI ? 14:26:21 <planetmaker> you need no compiler. You 'just' need a text editor, a graphics programme possibly, ... 14:26:30 <planetmaker> or a midi programme for music, yes :-) 14:26:49 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/openmsx <-- source repo for the music set 14:26:50 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:27:03 <Bixoo> i know how implement BASS Library in C++ builder ....BASS is a mp3 and positional sound library 14:27:35 <Bixoo> positional = sound 3d 14:28:10 <Bixoo> i don't know much more ahead add the DLL to exe, and load and play MP3 files from harddisk 14:28:29 <Progman> what do you want to do? 14:28:45 <Bixoo> but is great for have Mp3 player builded in replacement of MIDI music 14:29:27 <Bixoo> in case that developers don't have idea about BASS is 14:30:03 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-123-114.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:30:26 <Bixoo> it's a 600 kb DLL that add mp3 and sound support for programmers 14:30:58 <Bixoo> something like LAME.dll 14:31:09 <Bixoo> but lame is an encoder 14:31:17 <Progman> what about it? 14:31:21 <dihedral> Bixoo, and what about all the other supported operating system? 14:31:32 <dihedral> want to use a separate lib for all of them? 14:31:41 <Bixoo> for convert audio to mp3 compressed standard and streaming encoding 14:31:44 <ccfreak2k> If MP3 decoding was desired, they'd probably just use ffmpeg. 14:31:57 <dihedral> IF :-) 14:32:06 <Bixoo> ok ok 14:32:10 <peter1138> using a closed-source library? no 14:32:13 <Bixoo> i'm not force nobody 14:32:29 <Bixoo> i just talking from my "house coding" experience 14:32:30 <ccfreak2k> What we REALLY need is a bigger patch set for MIDI. 14:32:31 <dihedral> hehe - you could not even if you wanted to 14:33:30 <Bixoo> i only using windows XP 14:33:37 <Rubidium> even then MP3s are an order if not two orders of magnitude bigger than MIDI 14:33:45 <Bixoo> linux leaved for true gurús 14:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> what about The Unsupported OS then? 14:34:28 <Bixoo> forget them 14:34:30 <Bixoo> xDD 14:34:32 <Bixoo> hahaha 14:34:38 <Eddi|zuHause> or stuff like the Wii or NDS versions? 14:34:51 <Bixoo> do you know spanish? 14:34:58 <peter1138> never mind that nobody wants mp3 music support 14:35:03 <Eddi|zuHause> how is that relevant? 14:35:37 <dihedral> sonds to me like someone is asking for some use of the /ignore command :-P 14:35:43 <Bixoo> in my land...there's a city cite that talks something like "El que mucho abarca, poco aprieta" try translate to english 14:36:29 <Bixoo> i'm more on the side, of keed independant developers groups for each OS 14:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like "dogs that bark, don't bite" ;) 14:36:49 <Bixoo> means 14:37:12 * dihedral barks 14:37:15 <dihedral> :-P 14:37:26 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-71-92.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:37:35 <Bixoo> that extrapolation and try get a lot with much diversity of goals, rest from quality at the global quality or enfforts 14:37:35 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, or dogs that bark would bite if they had OP? :-P 14:38:07 <Bixoo> something like that 14:38:19 <dihedral> Bixoo, if you want someone to seriously listen to what you want to say, don't talk so much rubbish ;-) 14:38:30 <Bixoo> what's rubbish? 14:38:46 <peter1138> we have positional audio :D 14:38:53 <peter1138> well, panned audio, anyway 14:38:54 <dihedral> started with "* Bixoo (Bixoo_ZzZz@83.231.83.81) has joined #openttd" 14:39:20 <Bixoo> peter1138: i'm a alone coder and translator of docs and tutorials 14:40:24 <dihedral> \o/ 14:40:49 <Bixoo> peter1138: so far from my intention that learn you how make your job 14:41:22 <Bixoo> just talking...but seems that including something like TALK is a CRIME here 14:41:59 <Bixoo> you can laught and joke 14:42:21 <Noldo> *ha ha ha* 14:42:22 <peter1138> i did write an ambisonics patch 14:42:25 <peter1138> that is pretty silly 14:42:35 <SteelSide> Can you do anything with the rocks on the map? 14:42:47 <peter1138> yes 14:42:47 <Bixoo> but we make a great development job making TDx Library and we're working in TDx9 since 5 years.... 14:43:02 <Noldo> SteelSide: remove them 14:43:21 <SteelSide> k so they aren't involved in iron ore production in any way? 14:43:22 <Bixoo> and we're only 2 developers on board 14:43:26 <peter1138> nope 14:43:36 <peter1138> http://bcb-tools.com/Forums/Forum_DisplayMessage.php3?Group_Name=General&Topic_ID=56&Message_ID=0 14:43:39 <peter1138> good advert :D 14:43:47 <Timmaexx> TDx9 & TDx Library what's that? 14:44:45 <Bixoo> it's specified on pages if the customer was understanding what read 14:44:59 <Bixoo> TDx9 is on development 14:45:49 <Bixoo> you buy, but you only get the library when it's finnished and still is 60% developed 14:46:12 <Bixoo> but show me something coded with TDx 1.80 14:46:15 <Bixoo> nothing 14:46:36 <Bixoo> because DirectX simply is unknown 14:46:55 <Bixoo> the library is there 14:46:58 <Bixoo> sure 14:47:07 <Timmaexx> DirectX is unknown? 14:47:15 <Rubidium> OpenTTD uses (parts of) DirectX 14:47:26 <Timmaexx> I know 14:47:32 <Bixoo> unknown from a lot of people that's don't catch the concepts 14:47:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: btw. i don't know what's needed for {P "" s} to work, but it doesn't work like this. possibly because it's a {STRING1}, not a {NUM} or something 14:48:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: have you tried {P 1 "" s}? 14:51:12 <SteelSide> interresting that 700 people waiting on 1 bus terminal is considered good service o.o 14:51:23 <Yexo> Bixoo: if you're indeed talking about the library that is offered on http://bcb-tools.com/Welcome.htm I just have one word for it: hilarious 14:51:49 <peter1138> modern webdesign, eh? 14:52:00 <Yexo> yep 14:52:07 <Yexo> and they can't even decide on their own pricing level 14:52:15 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I meant: try 'tile{P 0:1 "" s}' 14:52:35 <Yexo> "it's only ", "we have only 1 subscription in the last year for ", "donate now", "register for 0" 14:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> err... something broke horribly: "/home/johannes/spiele/OpenTTD/trunk/src/lang/afrikaans.txt:1114: FATAL: no command for this argidx 1" 14:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause> repeat for every language 14:53:21 <Bixoo> Yexo: yeah...Darren don't earn nothing and gets crazy with all the subject.... 14:53:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, 1 was wrong, you need 0:1 :) 14:53:25 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.49.55] has joined #openttd 14:53:35 <planetmaker> outch... 14:53:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... setting this thing to 15 didn't generate any industries on the map... 14:54:32 <Bixoo> anyway...openTTD seems interesting.... 14:55:36 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the limit should be lower 14:55:45 <planetmaker> We're all here only because we want to share our bordom with openttd... 14:55:57 <Yexo> I think 3 or 4 should be the limit 14:56:07 <Yexo> anything more than that will give very strange results 14:56:28 *** Bixoo [Bixoo_ZzZz@83.231.83.81] has left #openttd [] 14:56:49 <planetmaker> thank you 14:58:49 <roboboy> gnight 14:59:04 <roboboy> or gnightish 14:59:15 <roboboy> incase I can't get to sleep 15:01:24 <Belugas> poor Bixoo 15:01:40 <Belugas> another maybe frustated good will soul 15:02:11 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 15:02:33 <Belugas> ilike the concept "I have an idea! It must be a good one. They should embrase it with pure joy" 15:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Unbenannt,%201.%20Jan%201924_2.png <-- with 15 you get some crazy clusters on large maps.... 15:03:20 <Rubidium> more like... I have bought something expensive and want to use it for everything I can get my hands oon 15:05:18 <Timmaexx> I had such cluster with Watertowers in last nightly 15:07:19 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... since when does changing a string in english.txt not trigger a full recompile anymore? 15:07:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: with 0:1 it seems to work 15:07:46 <Rubidium> since a while 15:10:08 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> setting to 4 seems to work quite well, i'll take that as limit... 15:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause> updated string and maximum: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/industry_platform3.diff 15:13:51 <peter1138> i liked 15 15:18:27 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 15:18:52 <Belugas> cool :) an industrial park! 15:19:06 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 15:23:15 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:48 <planetmaker> Timmaexx: that's moderately easy, if you play long enough 15:23:53 <planetmaker> They don't close down. Ever 15:23:59 <planetmaker> Unless you newgrf-mod them 15:24:29 <Timmaexx> ? 15:24:51 <planetmaker> [17:05] <Timmaexx> I had such cluster with Watertowers in last nightly 15:25:06 <Timmaexx> aah okay 15:28:48 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-123-114.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:01 <peter1138> http://www.scan.co.uk/product.aspx?ProductId=38157 15:34:05 <peter1138> will openttd run better with this? 15:37:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:44 <OwenS> peter1138: Hang on... How tall is that graphics card? 15:40:49 <OwenS> It looks like it takes up three slots! 15:42:23 <peter1138> i dunno, but it has enough extra power connectors 15:42:39 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:42:54 <bryjen> and that would still leave the fan blowing hot air on and melting the card in the 4th slot ;) 15:46:44 <planetmaker> that at least makes sure that the air can circulate and the card itself is not overheating ;-) 15:49:35 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2d88:6ed9:cb40:20da] has joined #openttd 15:49:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 15:53:31 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-71-92.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2d88:6ed9:cb40:20da] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:56 <lordaro> if you've just applied a patch that failed, what's the best way to revert to the original svn version? 16:00:15 <glx_> svn revert -R . 16:00:17 <Rubidium> svn revert? 16:00:18 <planetmaker> svn revert -R 16:00:39 *** glx_ is now known as glx 16:01:34 <Belugas> or using Tortoise, check all files withouth green icon and revert those 16:01:51 <Belugas> or using Tortoise, right click on folder and... 16:01:53 <Belugas> forgot 16:02:38 <lordaro> thanks, i thought it was something to do with revert, just could be bothered to figure the arguements :) 16:04:23 <lordaro> oh and for the record it was: svn revert -R <working-directory> :p 16:08:23 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe438.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:27 <planetmaker> [18:02] <lordaro> thanks, i thought it was something to do with revert, just could be bothered to figure the arguements :) <-- oh, that motivates to answer future questions 16:12:22 <lordaro> i did try svn revert <working-directory> , just didn't know about the -R 16:12:28 <lordaro> i was close 16:12:30 <lordaro> :) 16:13:30 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.49.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> <lordaro> oh and for the record it was: svn revert -R <working-directory> <-- lordaro: glx said that 16:14:01 <Eddi|zuHause> (obviously, "." is the current working directory) 16:14:51 <lordaro> i knew that... i saw the '.' and fully understood what it meant....honest....8-) 16:39:40 <SteelSide> friggin rails ._. 16:42:54 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> how does one keep a wet cat from going onto the bed? 16:44:14 <Rubidium> put it in the tumble dryer at 90 degrees C 16:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause> we don't have such a device... drying is done "old school" in our house 16:45:07 <planetmaker> that'll help, too 16:45:23 <Eddi|zuHause> but the cat won't stick to the line... 16:45:57 <Rubidium> a large electric fly frier on your bed with a nice current between the "wires" 16:46:13 <Rubidium> tie-wrap the cat to the door handle 16:46:16 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: that's what we have "WÀscheklammern" for 16:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: they are not big enough 16:48:15 <planetmaker> :-) 16:49:10 <Belugas> release some real mouses in the other rooms of the house. that will keep the cat away from the bed... 16:52:06 <Fast2> Don't forget to put a few on the bed 16:52:13 <Fast2> ;) 16:54:29 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:14 *** jpx [jpx_@a91-156-225-96.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:23 *** lasershk [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:14 *** lasershock [lasershock@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:32 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:21 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:27 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20635 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/chuvash.txt: 17:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: chuvash - 18 changes by mefisteron 17:47:09 <dihedral> and which of those 2 unknown words is the language? 17:50:34 <Rubidium> what do you think? 17:50:40 <dihedral> ^^ 17:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know mephistopheles 17:55:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:57:21 <peter1138> hrm 18:06:31 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:11:58 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:15:06 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:19:12 *** lolman [~lolman@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:30:34 <lordaro> we made half an hour without talking people! :)=-O 18:31:31 <Xaroth> and you talked.. 18:32:29 <Terkhen> silence is golden, specially when you have nothing to say 18:32:51 <lordaro> it was a goal earlier... 18:35:30 <dihedral> we do that more often than once ;-) 18:37:04 <Rubidium> Pi-gesundheit #2? 18:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause> can't be. he already has a forum account 18:39:47 <Alberth> and a bug tracker account :) 18:39:48 <Rubidium> so has Pi-gesundheit #1 :( 18:40:47 <dihedral> you are the one who could check ip's ^^ 18:43:40 <Rubidium> dihedral: what use would that be? I don't want to prove there's one, I state there're two! 18:44:16 <dihedral> ah - now i get it :-P 18:44:24 <dihedral> wow - that then is quite harsh ^^ 18:49:34 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:49:40 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:49:59 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:03 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:50:15 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:19 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:51:08 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [] 18:51:22 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:51:39 <dihedral> ? 18:57:37 <Alberth> sometimes one has to test the auto-reconnect 19:03:27 <dihedral> riiight 19:06:41 <SteelSide> I get "autorenew failed on road vehicle X (money limit)", :| what am I doing wrong? 19:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have enough money. you can set the money limit in advanced settings 19:07:39 <SteelSide> ah 19:07:47 <SteelSide> well how do I get it to start replacing vehicles for the new type? 19:07:55 <SteelSide> I set it up in the vehicle list to do that 19:08:01 <SteelSide> but no buses get replaced :| 19:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause> they will when they next visit the depot 19:09:45 <SteelSide> they have all visited the depo a few times round 19:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you set autoreplace on a different group... 19:10:33 *** lordaro [~the_overl@host86-150-59-169.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:15 <Yexo> SteelSide: how much money does your company have? 19:11:25 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-225-96.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:12:10 <SteelSide> Yexo, enough to start replacing the trucks I'd imagine :o got 7, cost is 8k, and I had 80k 19:12:30 <dihedral> check your settings mr. 19:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> SteelSide: but when the money limit is like 100k? 19:12:38 <dihedral> there is an autoreplace minimum 19:12:59 <SteelSide> so autorenew is for autoreplace too? 19:13:13 <dihedral> ..... 19:13:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the money limit is for both 19:14:32 <SteelSide> great :p 19:17:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:16 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has joined #openttd 19:18:22 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:18:46 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:26:41 <Alberth> borrow to the max limit, renew, then pay back 19:28:27 <dihedral> having to increase loan by the time you get to a renew... something went wrong ^^ 19:30:02 <Alberth> obviously, you should be swimming in money by then, but as a last resort... :) 19:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause> but that only proves the game mechanics are broken 19:33:43 <Alberth> did you need to proof that? :p 19:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm a maths-affine guy, i like proofs ;) 19:37:01 <SteelSide> well buses fail :< that's my excuse 19:37:15 <Rubidium> oh, in that case... please fix the game mechanics and *proof* it is not broken anymore 19:37:18 * SteelSide fails in general too with everything regarding this transport business 19:39:48 <Alberth> glad to see a person trying to win with trucks, most of us chicken out and use trains or aircraft :) 19:40:36 <SteelSide> hmm don't know if I actually can win - not playing vs anyone :E there's any set goal by the game then? 19:40:51 <SteelSide> and yes I'm starting to feel like buses are a really bad idea 19:41:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: "fixing" the game mechanics so you don't drown in money needs to address two things: a) a "macromanagement" approach for the later stages, where you only give the locations of the stations, and maybe some design decisions, and an AI builds the routes for you, so your growth is not limited by your physical extreme-clicking-ability and b) a non-linear "inefficiency"/"management" cost so your expansion speed is limited by more than 19:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> just the money you earn 19:42:08 <Alberth> well, there are statistics somewhere that you can try to beat, but otherwise, no, you set your own goal 19:42:47 <SteelSide> K i just won cause I repaid teh loan! 19:43:37 <Alberth> and that even holds for multi-player games, although you generally agree on a goal with all players :D 19:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause> SteelSide: you could try to get a 1000 company rating [the list of things to do for that is in the graphs menu] 19:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but especially with road vehicles that is extremely difficult 19:47:56 <SteelSide> you can do a waterway to railway mix right? 19:48:04 <SteelSide> just put them inside the cover area of eachother? 19:48:46 <SteelSide> yeap wiki says so 19:51:32 <dihedral> you should read more of that ^^ 19:51:35 *** wollollo [~martin@host86-175-29-209.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:04 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:44:08 <dihedral> openttd running with -D 20:44:13 <dihedral> Writing crash screenshot... 20:44:19 <dihedral> Writing crash screenshot failed. 20:44:21 <dihedral> hehe 20:46:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20636 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Codechange: Move MarkTileDirtyByTile() and DeleteAnimatedTile() into MakeWaterKeepingClass(). 20:57:04 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:01:14 <dihedral> night 21:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: well, if you override the blitter, making screenshots would work 21:05:24 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:13:11 <Terkhen> good ngiht 21:18:36 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:25:32 <SteelSide> dihedral, yeah but It's so much text and I wanna play D:! 21:34:03 *** Brin [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:39:58 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:58 *** Brin is now known as KouDy 21:43:09 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc181e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:41 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-213-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:00:54 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-5d8208c8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 22:08:38 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 22:09:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20637 /trunk/projects/ (6 files): -Change: [Win32] Don't build the DirectMusic driver for x64 as it won't work anyway. 22:12:26 <Vitus> Evening. I'm just wondering, I got an assertion error with the NewObjects (win32) binary. Am I too late or should I post the error? 22:12:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you can post errors at any time 22:13:07 <Vitus> Alright, the assertion error is: 22:13:09 <Vitus> Assertion failed at line 139 of ..\src\water_cmd.cpp: IsTileType(tile, MP_WATER) || (IsTileType(tile, MP_STATION) && (IsBuoy(tile) || IsDock(tile) || IsOilRig(tile))) || IsTileType(tile, MP_INDUSTRY) 22:13:30 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:04 <Vitus> Happens when trying to demolish object (both in scenario edior and normal game) 22:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> you could also highlight a responsible dev, like Rubidium, so he will take a look if he is still awake 22:14:37 <Vitus> Oh, yes, I forgot that :) 22:14:39 <Vitus> Thank you 22:15:00 <Rubidium> did you compile the binary yourself? 22:15:09 <Vitus> Nope, I used the precompiled one 22:15:30 <Rubidium> it's fixed in a slightly later version of trunk 22:15:38 <Rubidium> but you were removing an object, right? 22:15:42 <Vitus> Yes 22:17:06 <Vitus> Is r20636 the change you were talking about? 22:17:17 <Rubidium> yep 22:17:33 <Vitus> Alright, thank you. 22:21:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20638 /trunk/ (11 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: split object.h 22:26:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20639 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Add: random bits to object tiles 22:27:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc181e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:26 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 22:28:40 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:29:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20640 /trunk/src/ (object_cmd.cpp water_cmd.cpp): -Add: support for water under objects 22:40:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe438.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20641 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_object.h object_cmd.cpp table/object_land.h): -Codechange: remove the "require flat land" flag 22:46:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20642 /trunk/src/table/object_land.h: -Codechange: make the table in object_land easier expandable. 22:51:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20643 /trunk/src/object_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r20641): != != == 23:00:59 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:56 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 23:27:06 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:25 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.12.51] has joined #openttd 23:34:30 <Rubidium> Vitus: there's a new binary that shouldn't trigger that assertion 23:34:57 <Vitus> Alright, thanks you very much :) 23:35:02 <Vitus> *thank 23:36:39 *** draconnier [~svencanni@ip-88-207-201-15.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #openttd 23:53:43 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.12.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:55 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.88.193] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 23:59:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-213-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]