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00:00:31 <__ln__> might be a bit hard nowadays to obtain new PPC hardware that allows you to run your own code out of the box, though. 00:02:01 * dihedral is a proud owner of a PPC 12" PowerBook :-) 00:02:03 <Zuu> what happens in PPC on division by zero? 00:02:15 <dihedral> PPC makes the impossible possible :-P 00:02:35 <__ln__> Zuu: something / 0 == 0 00:02:38 <dihedral> and it stands for Perfectly Possible Calculations 00:03:10 <Zuu> __ln__: Ok, sounds resonable as that's what I generally manually do in my computations. 00:05:29 <SmatZ> ok, sigaction() seems to work :) 00:05:33 <SmatZ> unless it's a luck 00:06:02 <Ammler> tt-forums get more and more spam... :-( 00:06:23 <Ammler> or moderators get more and more lazy... 00:06:32 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:41 <SmatZ> Ammler: I don't see any spam there 00:06:44 <SmatZ> at the moment 00:07:12 <Ammler> I had 5 emails, 2 were links to spam 00:07:36 <SmatZ> are you sure those emails are from tt-forums? 00:08:12 <Ammler> yes, of course, notices about new posts 00:09:50 <Mazur> __In__ That's just plain wrong. 00:11:34 <Mazur> I'd go along with x/0=â 00:11:54 <Ammler> maybe it would make it better, if the ottd and ttdp devs would get mods of the graphics sections 00:12:03 <Mazur> But never 0, and espacially not without notification. 00:12:53 <SmatZ> owen doesn't want more mods 00:13:10 <Ammler> well, graphics section is VERY BAD moderated 00:13:13 <dihedral> but he could get rid of inactive ones 00:13:25 <Mazur> Rockers still ok with him? 00:13:38 <Ammler> and you can't blame the mods, there are 2 00:15:10 <Ammler> well, the spam helps to unsubscribe inactive threads, but still... 00:15:16 <__ln__> Mazur: why â, why not -â? 00:15:38 <__ln__> Mazur: and who's this __In__ you are talking about? 00:15:51 <Mazur> Because it doesn't say -x/0 00:16:11 <__ln__> Mazur: it doesn't say x>0 either. 00:16:37 <Ammler> SmatZ: where shall I post about that? on feedback? 00:16:57 <__ln__> and it's not possible to represent infinity with a 32-bit integer. 00:17:08 <Mazur> x>0 â, x<0 -â 0/0 {whichever set of numbers you're working in} 00:17:38 <SmatZ> Ammler: maybe to http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=50185 ? I don't know, really :) 00:17:42 <Mazur> __ln__, 0 is still utterly wrong as an answer. 00:18:08 <Zuu> it indicates an error 00:18:25 <Mazur> Oh, so 1*0 is an error? 00:18:28 <__ln__> Mazur: it's the average of -â and â. 00:18:53 <Mazur> Depends on their respective dimension. 00:18:54 <__ln__> (i hope there are no mathematicians here to get a heart attack) 00:19:10 <SmatZ> Eddi? 00:19:42 <Mazur> I once was soing to be a mathermatician. 00:20:03 <Mazur> but 2.60x2.60 stopped that. 00:20:22 <__ln__> Eddi is very close, but afaik not his major subject 00:20:37 <Ammler> I would say, around 90% of the spam I read in tt-forums is in teh Graphics Section 00:20:40 <Mazur> m² 00:21:54 <Zuu> Ammler: I don't frequently visit the graphics section so maybe that's why I dont remember seeing much spam at tt-forums. 00:23:41 <__ln__> Mazur: there are other kinds of errors that happen without a warning. for instance integer overflows. okay, they have a mathematical basis of some sort, but still. 00:26:19 <Ammler> Zuu: I mostly read subscribed threads only 00:26:42 <Ammler> so good moderation wouldn't help much as the mail is already out 00:26:57 <Zuu> Oh, yep. 00:27:16 <dihedral> good night lads :-) 00:27:16 <Zuu> I've only subscribed some of my own project threads. 00:27:20 <Ammler> but I prefer the "forbidden" msg than the spam 00:27:49 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 00:27:51 <Ammler> hmm, I have a setting which does subscribe automatically if I repond 00:28:48 <Zuu> Sounds like you gets a lot of emails then :-) 00:28:50 <Ammler> but I would like a setting which does send the mail with a hour delay if the post is not spam or not at all, if the previous post is older than a year 00:31:12 <Mazur> "I prefer to let George Lucas disappoint me in the order he intended." 00:33:21 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8682.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a line from TBBT 00:43:09 <Mazur> It is. 00:43:39 <Mazur> From Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock 00:44:33 <Mazur> Sheldon commenting on the others intention of watching Clone Wars, and he hasn't seen the movie yet. 00:48:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B81F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i knew i heard it before, i just wasn't sure where. 00:51:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.107.57] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 01:03:43 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3171.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 01:03:57 <Wolf01> 'night 01:04:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host15-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:54:12 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8682.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:30 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0828bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:55 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:16 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.52.147] has joined #openttd 02:42:51 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 02:48:46 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:43:59 *** Aegir [aegir@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 03:44:20 *** Aegir is now known as Guest2738 03:44:27 <Guest2738> Somebody talk to me about Bananas. I've been on hiatus for years and I come back and somebody has uploaded all my 'ish to Bananas. 03:44:38 *** Guest2738 is now known as reldred 03:45:56 <reldred> Which I find mildly annoying, but Bananas is the greatest thing since sliced bread as far as I'm concerned. I just want to retake ownership of the entries on Bananas and fix the names/descriptions/etc. 03:47:05 <reldred> So what's the process? Who do I speak to about it? 03:52:08 <roboboy> I would geuse Rubidium and TrueBrain as Rubidium is Project leader as I understand and TrueBrain is in charge of the website if I remember correctly 03:53:17 <reldred> Hmm 03:54:02 <reldred> The thing is, whoever has uploaded those entries (and it sure as shit wasn't me, I'd bailed by the time bananas came out) has violated the terms of bananas anyway 03:54:26 <reldred> I just signed up and created a bananas account and did all that and it said some pretty specific things about only uploading content you have the rights to 03:54:27 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 03:54:54 <reldred> Thing that annoys me is that all this time folks have been using ancient buggy versions of shit 03:54:58 <reldred> Ahhwell 03:55:54 <roboboy> If I had noticed them I would have checked with you byt I dont play much these days 03:56:28 <reldred> Yeah, I remembered downloading openttd a year or two back and they were there, but I had no interest in getting back into things so I ignored it. 03:56:46 <reldred> I'm betting money on krtaylor uploading them -_- 04:05:44 *** Mikael [~Mikael@46.32.63.243] has joined #openttd 04:16:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bc20:e152:e2d5:12b6] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:46:47 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 05:09:58 <Rubidium> reldred: could you send (email, <my nick>@openttd.org) me a list of NewGRFs that you think have been uploaded violating BaNaNaS terms and are yours? 05:35:52 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 05:36:14 <supermop> finally back 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73481.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73DC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:31 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.52.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:48:15 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 06:51:49 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:23:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C0A0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C0A0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:29:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:31:10 <andythenorth> hola 08:45:14 <ccfreak2k> Rubidium, what if I may have made one or more of those newgrfs in an alternate universe? 08:48:54 <planetmaker> moin 08:52:56 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4181.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:33 * andythenorth has visited wikipedia, and now understands why you all say 'moin' 08:55:00 <andythenorth> maybe I should try and introduce it to the UK 08:55:25 <andythenorth> planetmaker: would you help me with a favour? 08:56:07 <andythenorth> ...pull FIRS, build, and give your opinion on industry smoke 08:56:07 <planetmaker> if it's feasable to me, I'd surely try 08:57:23 <andythenorth> I think the big smoke plume might be candidate for 'too much of a good thing' 08:57:31 <andythenorth> specifically on the brewery 08:57:36 <andythenorth> and maybe the brick works 08:58:16 <andythenorth> it's more noticeable when several smoking industries build near each other 09:00:05 <planetmaker> hm. andythenorth look at the dairy in transparent mode. It has a wrong sprite 09:00:59 <andythenorth> so it does 09:01:08 <andythenorth> the back corner of the layout has no ground tile I think 09:01:54 <planetmaker> well. The smoke of the brewery might be a bit too much 09:02:25 <planetmaker> I'd expect there more transparent steam ;-) 09:02:33 <andythenorth> I have limited choices :) 09:02:41 <andythenorth> but I can try steam engine smoke instead 09:03:47 <planetmaker> hm... 09:10:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21670 /trunk/src/currency.cpp: -Fix (prospective): EEK->EUR@2011 09:10:21 <andythenorth> planetmaker: what about brick works? 09:11:32 <planetmaker> that's heavy industry. That's fine 09:12:04 <planetmaker> but maybe you could (on a random basis?) not always use all chimneys? 09:12:28 <andythenorth> I wondered that 09:12:35 <andythenorth> brick works needs more layouts anyway 09:12:50 <andythenorth> when I do that I'll think about smoke randomising 09:13:18 <planetmaker> yeah. good enough :-) 09:14:50 <andythenorth> bah 09:15:07 <andythenorth> I need to prevent industries all smoking in sync with each other 09:19:13 <andythenorth> planetmaker: thanks 09:19:21 <planetmaker> no problem 09:19:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:23:48 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 09:24:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B61D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21671 /trunk/changelog.txt: -Change: some changelog consistency fixes 09:32:40 * roboboy ponders converting some more C++ code into VB6 09:32:56 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I changed the brewery smoke... 09:33:13 <andythenorth> I think it's good enough, maybe nor perfect 09:36:34 <Terkhen> good morning 09:38:18 <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: then you're still the author, aren't you? It's just that creating the exact same NewGRF is a quite unlikely thing to happen 09:39:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:41:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:43:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21672 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_changelog.hpp: -Fix: mention AIEventTownFounded in the AI changelog as well 09:48:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:55:09 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 10:00:07 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:00:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 10:04:28 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaacb3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:57 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-31-211.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:45 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-216-155.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:15:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:15:58 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21673 /trunk/src/ (bridge_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Change [FS#4358]: do not show price to build a bridge in the scenario editor, it is free there 10:20:18 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 10:21:13 <Rubidium> happy new year! 10:21:22 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:24:50 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:26:47 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA5FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:27:24 <Xaroth> HNY 10:29:09 <Eddi|zuHause> in which timezone? ;) 10:30:47 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:43 <Alberth> in his own? 10:34:20 <Xaroth> in Rubis timezone, duh 10:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> even in newzealand, new year is only in 15 minutes... 10:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause> according to http://www.weltzeituhr.com/silvester/silvester.html 10:47:59 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/newyear.html?p0=274 10:48:20 <Alberth> why do you assume happy new year may only be wished at a certain moment in time? 10:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: whishing "new year" when the year is already old is kinda unpractical, don't you think? 10:49:31 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: although I agree saying happy new year on the 30th of December is kinda odd 10:49:45 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 10:49:48 <SmatZ> 31st even 10:49:55 <Rubidium> SmatZ: 30th... 10:50:05 <SmatZ> Rubidium: ok 10:50:09 <Rubidium> Current time is Thursday, 30 December 2010, 23:50:05 10:50:15 <Rubidium> + SST 10:50:20 <SmatZ> huh @ your timezone :) 10:50:42 <Rubidium> why does it have to be my timezone? 10:50:54 <SmatZ> it's "Current time" 10:50:58 <Rubidium> there are people of different timezones in here, so... it must be valid for some 10:51:21 <Rubidium> SmatZ: yes, with a timezone attached to it 10:51:41 <Rubidium> like the current time is Saturday, 1 January 2011, 00:51:35 LINT 10:52:04 <Rubidium> or Friday, 31 December 2010, 00:51:55 CET 10:52:14 <Rubidium> uhm... s/00/11/ :) 10:52:34 <Rubidium> I'm still not recovered I guess 10:52:42 <SmatZ> ok :) 10:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> no place lists the time zones by time offsets 10:54:32 <Eddi|zuHause> only sorted by country name 10:55:27 <Rubidium> pediawiki does, doesn't it? 10:55:46 <Fast2> Windows does ;) 10:55:52 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_time_zones_by_UTC_offset 10:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> no _useful_ place lists the time zones by time offsets 10:57:29 <roboboy> Happy New Year in 2 Hours and 3 Minutes 10:57:37 <SmatZ> weird, there is UTC-12 -> UTC+14 10:57:39 <roboboy> or make that 2 Minutes 10:57:49 <SmatZ> so there is more than 1 day difference at two places 11:00:52 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Quit: dageek] 11:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: apparently, Kiribati occupies 3 time zones over the date line, and they shifted their UTC-10 and UTC-11 parts to UTC+14 and UTC+13, to match the date better with the UTC+12 part in 1995 11:02:17 <fonsinchen> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/link/1262301011#1262301011 11:03:41 <fonsinchen> The discussion is starting earlier this year, though. 11:16:45 <SpComb> I think my timezone code is buggy, though, around DST transitions :( 11:17:34 <SpComb> but I hope it does newyears ok 11:19:11 <SpComb> although I suspect it's likely to be some kind of compound bug between how irssi and my code acts 11:28:10 <SpComb> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/date/2011-01-01?timezone_offset=840 11:29:32 <SpComb> or http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/link/1293790873?timezone_offset=840#1293790873 11:35:13 <fonsinchen> It seems your december has only 30 days this year. 11:35:30 *** perk11 [~perk11@85.175.213.154] has joined #openttd 11:39:18 * fonsinchen has to go to a party tonight, but is in a very un-party-like mood. 11:39:26 * fonsinchen needs a good excuse ... 11:39:53 * planetmaker shoves a bit pop corn in the direction of fonsinchen 11:40:21 * fonsinchen munches popcorn for breakfast 11:40:30 <planetmaker> :-D 11:44:33 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: say you just returned from the US and your watch is still at their time ;) 11:44:58 <Rubidium> so when you noticed that around 02:00 in the morning it wasn't worth the effort to go anymore 11:45:09 <planetmaker> :-D 11:49:05 <fonsinchen> actually I have a very good excuse. The tickets are sold out already. 11:49:11 <fonsinchen> But now I want to go there ... 11:52:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.107.57] has joined #openttd 11:52:42 * Zuu sends some party desire to fonsinchen 11:53:40 <Zuu> I haven't found a party to go to but is in the mood of going to a party. :-p 12:00:44 <fonsinchen> Now that was just the thing I needed ... can't be true that they won't let me in. Someone's gotta put me on the guest list. 12:02:37 <planetmaker> lol :-) 12:04:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host15-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:04:34 <Wolf01> hello :D 12:06:10 <Alberth> good afternoon Wolf01 12:07:00 <Wolf01> afternoon? I just woke up, it's morning for me :D 12:08:18 <Alberth> enjoy your morning then 12:13:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21674 /trunk/bin/ai/regression/run.sh: -Fix: for Mac OS X %p seems to add "x0", so filter that out for the regression test comparison 12:19:04 *** JGR [~Sethvir@188-220-30-137.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:20:20 <dihedral> hello :-) 12:20:29 <JGR> Hi there 12:21:39 <dihedral> game show on the radio: question "where were the Olympic games held in 2010" - "i do not know" - "they speak Chinese there" - "Japan!" 12:23:01 <planetmaker> hello dihedral and JGR 12:23:18 <JGR> Hi Planetmaker 12:23:22 <dihedral> hey ho sir :-) 12:24:36 <planetmaker> hm... my house's roof is dangerous right now. Big chunks of ice are falling down :S 12:25:00 <Alberth> don't stick your head out of the window :) 12:25:38 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:25:42 <planetmaker> yeah... I don't want to get a head or arm thick piece of ice fall onto my head. The problem is the front door... 12:27:52 <dihedral> put an umbrella up :-P 12:28:05 *** perk11 [~perk11@85.175.213.154] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:28:24 <Alberth> a wooden table will work too :) 12:28:31 <dihedral> i was walking through town 2 days ago, and along the side of a 5 story high office building was a notice to address that matter 12:28:56 <planetmaker> wooden table sounds better. An umbrella would be crushed, I fear 12:28:57 <dihedral> planetmaker, sell "scotch 'under' rocks" 12:29:02 <planetmaker> :-D 12:29:34 <dihedral> buy a flame thrower, then it will only rain :-P 12:30:04 <planetmaker> outch... that wasn't only loud but the impact clearly even felt up here in my flat... 12:30:58 <Alberth> shaken but not stirred scotch :) 12:33:15 <planetmaker> with a few m^3 of snowy ice or icy snow ;-) 12:33:18 <planetmaker> quite diluted ;-) 12:33:21 <planetmaker> Or quite much :-P 12:33:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:34:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-249-182.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:34:56 <Alberth> shaken by natural forces :p 12:37:40 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFEF5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause> luckily i have an entrance to the house on the non-sloped side of the roof ;) 12:42:59 <dihedral> i nearly laughed my head off when i heard someone had fallen out of the window trying to remove ice from the roof while standing on the windowsill 12:43:09 <dihedral> using a broom 12:43:38 <dihedral> planetmaker, you could shout out of your window: "want some scotch with that?" 12:43:51 <planetmaker> :-D 12:44:12 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:44:33 <dihedral> or sue them, claiming that their steps were just about strong enough to loosen the ice from the roof 12:44:42 <dihedral> i am sure you could find a calculation for that :-P 12:47:03 * roboboy shall head downstairs in about 15 mins to watch the fireworks on TV if his parents aren't watching something else 12:47:18 <andythenorth> hmm 12:47:24 <andythenorth> RoadTypes... 12:47:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6526:36d:c6d9:ec05] has joined #openttd 12:47:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:56:16 <andythenorth> I forgot that RoadTypes could be used for monorail....metro....trolley bus 12:56:21 <andythenorth> makes them more interesting 12:58:50 <andythenorth> or would if they existed :D 12:59:20 <roboboy> Happy New Year 12:59:23 *** Xed [~Xed@host190-176-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:59:26 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:27 <Xed> Halo =o 13:05:05 *** Xed is now known as [Xed] 13:05:05 *** [Xed] is now known as Xed 13:05:45 *** fanioz [~fanioz@114.79.59.92] has joined #openttd 13:05:53 <planetmaker> Ammler: is that for SuSE the correct dependency? http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/19/ 13:06:03 <planetmaker> happy new year, roboboy :-) 13:06:28 <Ammler> planetmaker: no, please use the spec from obs 13:06:32 *** JGR [~Sethvir@188-220-30-137.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Lunch] 13:06:41 <planetmaker> can you give me the diff, please? 13:07:06 <Ammler> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=openttd.spec&package=openttd&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop&srcmd5=e81eaa3a532a2ad93ba5d632d498fc60 13:07:58 <Ammler> it doesn't work for RHEL6 13:09:43 <planetmaker> it doesn't mention liblzma either. So no point to change (now) 13:09:53 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaacb3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:53 <Ammler> the spec in the openttd.org svn is quite ugly, rubi took a quite bad version from me starting experimenting with that stuff 13:12:25 <Ammler> also libs are "automatic requires", you should not mention those as requires 13:13:24 <Ammler> BuildRequires: lzma-devel 13:13:36 <Ammler> but better is xz-devel 13:14:34 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaacb3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:38 <Ammler> I will make a build for beta1 and check how well lzma works on the rpm world 13:19:37 <planetmaker> Please make a patch :-) 13:20:17 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA5FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:27 <Alberth> RHEL ? ugh. better use Fedora imho 13:20:51 <Ammler> Alberth: there it works fine 13:20:53 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:21:00 <Ammler> FHEL6 is quite young :-) 13:21:07 <Rubidium> Ammler: but OpenTTD running on enterprise systems is really important 13:21:10 <ZirconiumX> hello 13:21:11 <Alberth> you know what the E stands for, right? 13:21:41 <Alberth> oi ZirconiumX 13:21:49 <ZirconiumX> hello Alberth 13:21:56 <Ammler> Alberth: there are also RHEL Desktops, afaik 13:22:08 <Alberth> more likely Centos :) 13:22:09 <Ammler> at least that is the case for SUSE 13:22:31 <Ammler> if you buy a pc with preinstalled suse, it is mostly SLE 13:23:56 <Alberth> well, I don't think you can buy a support contract for eg Fedora, which makes installing it on machines of clueless customers somewhat hazardous 13:24:09 *** fanioz [~fanioz@114.79.59.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:09 <Rubidium> Alberth: you know I fixed grfcodec to work on s390? That was needed so OpenTTD could compile out-of-the-box on s390 for Debian. s390 is a (big) mainframe architecture, so more enterprisy than RHEL on its own 13:24:53 <Ammler> Rubidium: you are sure the Enterprise in RH means "mainframe"? 13:25:01 <Ammler> at least on suse that is not the case 13:25:13 <Alberth> now I know what I am supposed to to do at the office all day :) 13:25:45 <Rubidium> Ammler: what makes you think I think enterprise in RH means mainframe? 13:26:10 <Ammler> the connection you make between s390 and RH 13:26:26 <Rubidium> it's just that a mainframe is something you more likely won't have at home compared to RHEL 13:26:42 <Rubidium> and mainframes are generally used in big enterprises 13:30:52 <Ammler> yes, and if big enterprises use a linux desktop, it is rahter RH than Fedora, I would guess 13:31:34 <Ammler> (or SLE than openSUSE) 13:34:29 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaacb3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:47 <Alberth> Ammler: at work we use Centos (RH without the expensive price tag) 13:36:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:37:33 <Ammler> well, I also would guess, if RHEL is released, it doesn't take long until CentOS 6 will come 13:38:14 <Ammler> afaik, they just "steal" the sources from RHEL and make their distro 13:38:35 <Alberth> yep 13:38:56 <Ammler> so it won't work there either :-) 13:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not "stealing" when the license specifically allows it :p 13:39:32 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: notice the " 13:40:20 <Ammler> I have no idea, how well CentOS is supported and accepted from RH 13:41:46 <Ammler> it is IMO a bit stupid from RH to publish the sources 13:42:05 <planetmaker> they're required... 13:42:17 <Ammler> only to those, who buy RH 13:42:32 <Ammler> you can't get SLE sources 13:43:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: but you can't forbid anyone buying SLE/RH from passing the source along either 13:44:16 *** Jerre [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:44:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 13:44:29 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: then there would be a openSLE :-) 13:45:27 <planetmaker> Ammler: I'll for now just add xz-devel to the suse specs and count on you to give us an update to the specs before 1.1.0 ;-) 13:45:39 <Ammler> planetmaker: I wouldn't 13:46:01 <planetmaker> then the default won't build... 13:46:04 <Ammler> there is more broken there 13:46:49 <Ammler> well, it doesn't matter, I can also run that spec on obs, if you like 13:49:46 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-153.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 13:56:33 <Alberth> xz-devel ? are you going to build the program? 14:00:29 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.52.147] has joined #openttd 14:02:03 <Ammler> Alberth: yes, rpm spec does define how to build it 14:02:40 <Ammler> it will then automatically produce the requires from it 14:03:10 *** einKarl [~einKarl@77-23-166-116-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 14:03:23 <Ammler> I fear the bigger issue of the beta1 is the lack of bz2 archives 14:03:48 <Ammler> might be easier to switch to gz than to xz 14:05:19 * Yexo is wondering what is better to use in the dutch translation, "Ctrl+Klik" or "Ctrl+klik" (capital K or not) 14:05:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21675 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) 14:05:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 14:05:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 3 changes by SmatZ 14:05:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 12 changes by Yexo 14:05:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium 14:05:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: estonian - 138 changes by notAbot 14:05:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 5 changes by jpx_ 14:06:00 <Rubidium> Yexo: I'd go for not 14:06:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:07:03 <Yexo> english uses Ctrl+Click 14:07:08 <Ammler> Rubidium: is debian able to use the xz archives? 14:07:22 <Yexo> so that might be an argument for the capital, although personally I think without is nicer 14:07:24 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes 14:07:57 <Ammler> then why do you keep gz but not bz2? 14:08:00 <Yexo> meh, wt doesn't support case-sensitive searches :( 14:08:02 <__ln__> Yexo: english spelling is not an argument for other languages 14:08:14 <Rubidium> Yexo: But Especially Americans Like to Write Words With Capitals All The Way 14:08:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21676 /trunk/ (8 files in 6 dirs): -Prepare 1.1.0-beta2 14:08:44 <Rubidium> Ammler: gz is extremely fast and uses almost no memory 14:08:46 <Yexo> english.txt is supposed to be english(uk), as we also have english(us) 14:08:59 <Yexo> so american is not an argument for english.txt 14:09:03 <Rubidium> bz2 is slow with compression, slow with decompression and uses a lot of memory 14:09:22 <Rubidium> xz is slow with compressed, relatively fast with decompression and uses a lot of memory 14:10:23 <Rubidium> gz is supported basically everywhere, whereas bz2 isn't quite there yet 14:10:37 <Ammler> bz2 is prefered from rpm distros 14:10:42 <Rubidium> so gz is for old/slow/low memory systems 14:10:52 <Rubidium> xz is for those that fancy small download sizes 14:10:58 <Ammler> I wonder, what the other rpm guys will use 14:11:33 <Ammler> the rpms itself are compressed with lzma, afaik 14:12:11 <roboboy> gnightish from 2011 14:12:17 <Alberth> my yum does all kind of magic tricks with downloading small diffs 14:12:32 <Alberth> roboboy: good night-ish from last year :) 14:12:58 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21677 /trunk/src/lang/polish.txt: -Fix: WT3 not validating some strings... 14:13:17 <Rubidium> Ammler: xz is basically lzma, so they should favour xz over bz2 14:16:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r21678 /trunk/src/lang/dutch.txt: -Update: use 'Ctrl+klik' instead of 'Ctrl+Klik' in the Dutch translation 14:17:56 <Ammler> openttd.x86_64: W: file-contains-date-and-time /usr/bin/openttd 14:17:58 <Ammler> Your file uses __DATE and __TIME__ this causes the package to rebuild when 14:17:59 <Ammler> not needed 14:18:01 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 14:18:09 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 14:18:26 <Ammler> no idea, what that means :-) 14:18:49 <peter1138> heh 14:19:04 <Rubidium> Ammler: that you need to add an override for that 14:21:34 <andythenorth> RoadTypes....what's the complexity of that project compared to say....FIRS? 14:22:01 <andythenorth> allowing that I'm crap at C++, but I knew nothing of hex, callbacks etc when I started writing nfo. 14:25:46 <andythenorth> I need something new to learn 14:26:10 <andythenorth> HEQS is at 1.0, FISH will be soon (and I don't play the game any more anyway, so my requirement to add new ships is decreasing...) 14:26:34 <andythenorth> FIRS is mostly just tinkering, there's not much interesting left to do, and I don't have many collaborators which takes the fun out of it 14:26:36 <planetmaker> you don't play openttd anymore? :-( 14:26:42 <andythenorth> not really 14:26:45 <andythenorth> only to test FIRS 14:27:12 <andythenorth> how many active developers actually play? 14:27:25 <planetmaker> all do from time to time, I think 14:27:27 * Rubidium played a bit of #openttdcoop a while ago, but got bored by the fact that I was always hitting their train limits 14:27:31 <planetmaker> but not a lot 14:27:49 <planetmaker> Rubidium: the train limit can always be increased... 14:27:54 <Rubidium> besides that... I've not really played lately I fear 14:28:03 <planetmaker> ... if the network is in good shape :-) 14:28:10 <dihedral> b-b-b-beta2? 14:28:15 <andythenorth> I want to do something collaborative. I have been pm-ing with DanMacK a lot on FISH, and it's much more fun 14:28:16 <planetmaker> yeah... I used to play a lot more, too 14:28:23 <andythenorth> nml looks fun and active... 14:28:41 <dihedral> i have another something for the admin network to come :-P 14:28:46 <andythenorth> whereas developing big newgrf sets mostly alone becomes a bit of an uphill task 14:28:54 <planetmaker> I really fear that plain nfo takes for me much too much time, andythenorth :S 14:29:10 <andythenorth> I've learnt nfo anyway 14:29:14 <andythenorth> I want something new 14:29:18 <planetmaker> :-D 14:29:25 <andythenorth> I can't really think correctly for C++, but I might as well try 14:29:31 <andythenorth> I'll learn *something* 14:29:55 <planetmaker> [15:29] <andythenorth> I can't really think correctly for C++, but I might as well try <- that's what I thought (and think) of myself, too ;-) 14:30:33 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:42 <andythenorth> projects that interest me would be: RoadTypes, rv-wagons, improved map-gen, improved GUI 14:30:47 <Ammler> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=openttd&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop <-- planetmaker, xz-devel seems not known to Mandriva 14:31:00 <planetmaker> too late... for beta2 14:31:08 <andythenorth> I'd probably be best at GUI stuff, but I'm quite argumentative about it because I've been designing GUIs for 10 years :P 14:31:18 <andythenorth> the GUI code looks friendly 14:31:40 <Alberth> GUI is relatively simple, and has good feedback opportunities :) 14:31:46 <planetmaker> yeah 14:31:53 <andythenorth> I'd pick whatever at least one other person wanted to collaborate on 14:31:57 <planetmaker> it's a good way to get into it 14:32:09 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 14:32:09 <Ammler> someone knows someone using Mandriva? 14:32:31 <Alberth> andythenorth: move of the transparency/visiblity options in the 'wrench' drop down into the ^X window? 14:32:33 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you recall us doing drafts for re-vamping the settings / options / difficulties? 14:32:41 <andythenorth> planetmaker: yes 14:32:51 <planetmaker> it's not forgotten on my part ;-) 14:33:24 <andythenorth> seems map-gen should be reworked...before optimising 'new game' window? 14:33:48 <andythenorth> improving map-gen is a worthwhile project. Even just hacking at it with no understanding, I got better maps (IMO) 14:33:56 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 14:34:27 <Alberth> the SE can be improved in many ways too 14:40:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA5FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:13 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm112.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:46:21 <Zuu> So more GUI work to come :-) 14:46:54 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:51:13 * andythenorth wonders what the correct way to generate terrain would be 14:51:17 <andythenorth> we discussed it before 14:51:22 <andythenorth> but no conclusions :P 14:51:47 <andythenorth> generate bitmaps then feed them in as heightmaps? 14:51:51 <andythenorth> or a native terrain generator? 14:52:19 <Yexo> either in an external app than feed them as heightmaps or some way that can be extended by scripts (like geogen) 14:53:01 * planetmaker prefers the scriptable way 14:53:02 * ZirconiumX thinks generate bitmaps 14:53:06 <andythenorth> could an external app be used seamlessly in game? 14:53:08 <Yexo> for the external app some more information besides the heightmap would be useful, so an extra file with meta-information seems likely for that 14:53:15 <Yexo> andythenorth: no 14:53:17 <andythenorth> if I have to go to another app, then save, then load, it's just a hassle 14:53:29 <andythenorth> I can draw maps in photoshop already :P 14:53:42 * ZirconiumX changes mind 14:54:02 <andythenorth> and relying on a separate app adds a whole load of OS specific problems. no? 14:54:14 <ZirconiumX> I've had a strange idea, which probably won't work, but anyway 14:54:25 <ZirconiumX> the admin port 14:55:39 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:55:47 <dihedral> hmm 14:55:54 * Yexo was still waiting for his real idea 14:56:47 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:28 * dihedral too 14:57:41 <dihedral> at least i thought there was more to come :-P 14:59:58 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 15:01:11 * andythenorth waves 15:01:36 *** einKarl [~einKarl@77-23-166-116-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:58 <andythenorth> scriptable - easy to say, but how would it work? 15:04:45 <planetmaker> like noai 15:05:01 <andythenorth> might it just end up reimplementing perlin noise in a script language? 15:05:06 <andythenorth> (no bad thing) 15:05:24 <Yexo> that is way too slow 15:05:36 <planetmaker> I imagine an API for things like "height map", "river gen", "sea level decision", ... 15:05:41 <Yexo> I've tried it before, like 30+ seconds to generate a 512x512 map 15:06:11 <planetmaker> he 15:06:30 <andythenorth> why not do the simpler thing and just improve current map gen? 15:06:35 <Yexo> any api like geogen has is quite possible though, see http://code.google.com/p/geogen/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fexamples for some example scripts 15:07:44 <Yexo> because a scriptable aproach means you can have more map generators that can generate completely different types of maps, like "several big islands", "a lot of small islands with small bits of sea between", "large landmass with big lake in the middle" etc. 15:08:28 <dihedral> why may the server not change a company password? 15:08:50 <dihedral> meaning, why is the code for generating the hash in network_client.cpp and not in network.cpp :-P 15:09:03 <andythenorth> so I'm confused....scriptable is better, but not possible because too slow? 15:09:06 <planetmaker> "weil niemand in den Urwald zog und die Bananae grade bog" 15:09:26 <Wolf01> Yexo, that might be an interesting feature 15:09:29 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:09:39 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@71.61.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 15:09:51 <dihedral> planetmaker, well - it could very well be that it had a very good reason 15:10:21 <Yexo> andythenorth: scriptable is fast enough if the script passes commands to the c++ code, like "create a 1d map", "fill map with noise", "set middle of map to 0", "use this 1d map as overlay for a 2d map" 15:10:59 <Yexo> implementing perlin noise in a scirpt and doing something like "set height of tile 0,0=3", "set height of tile 0,1=4", set height of tile 0,2=4" is too slow 15:11:04 <andythenorth> so it is a matter of a carefully defined API? 15:11:08 <Yexo> yes 15:11:18 <Wolf01> 1d map? 15:11:33 <planetmaker> better than 0d map 15:11:55 <Yexo> http://code.google.com/p/geogen/ <_ see that page and scroll a bit down 15:13:02 <Wolf01> ah, you meant an edge 15:13:05 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:14:42 *** ABCRic_ [~ABCRic@96.158.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 15:17:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:17:12 *** fanioz [~fanioz@222.124.156.226] has joined #openttd 15:18:04 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@71.61.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:09 *** ABCRic_ is now known as ABCRic 15:22:05 *** fanioz_ [~fanioz@222.124.156.228] has joined #openttd 15:22:10 <andythenorth> so fixing the map gen....a plan might be: 15:22:29 <andythenorth> step 1. put the baby down, get him to play quietly on his own for a bit and stop clawing my ear... 15:22:41 <andythenorth> step 2. checkout ottd again... 15:23:05 <andythenorth> currently I am stuck at step 1 :P 15:25:55 <DanMacK> lol 15:27:26 <peter1138> hrm 15:27:53 *** fanioz__ [~fanioz@222.124.156.226] has joined #openttd 15:27:55 <ccfreak2k> Yeah,most babies, they uh 15:27:58 <ccfreak2k> don't go for that. 15:28:05 <dihedral> hmm - looks like it would get more interesting trying to allow bots to chance company passwords 15:29:02 <Rubidium> then just make it a console command 15:29:02 *** fanioz [~fanioz@222.124.156.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:13 *** fanioz__ is now known as fanioz 15:29:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:33:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:35:06 *** fanioz_ [~fanioz@222.124.156.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:38 <dihedral> hehe - or i let bots implement the hashing themselves :-D 15:40:18 <dihedral> which would count for less abuse 15:40:29 <planetmaker> console is not abused 15:40:32 <dihedral> and would allow easy resetting (i.e. send empty password) 15:40:55 <dihedral> planetmaker, abused by admins 15:41:16 <dihedral> there are some nasty people who call themselves admin of an OpenTTD game 15:47:30 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 15:47:44 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:49:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 15:54:01 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21679 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix (r21642): reading a just freed variable 15:55:12 <ABCRic> could anyone tell me how can I check if a company colour is in use (in source)? 15:56:15 <ABCRic> for (uint i = 0; i < COLOUR_END; i++) if (_company_colours[i] == colour) return true; // where colour is the colour to check doesn't seem to work 15:57:30 <ABCRic> at least not for all colours 15:59:34 <Rubidium> you better iterate over the companies and not the colours 16:00:19 <ABCRic> using FOR_ALL_COMPANIES? 16:00:35 <Rubidium> yeah, and Company's colour 16:01:39 <ABCRic> I suppose byte CompanyProperties::colour contains a number correspondent to a colour from enum Colours 16:02:06 <Rubidium> probably 16:03:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:02 <ABCRic> I've tried this: 16:04:04 <ABCRic> bool is_colour_used[16]; Company *C; 16:04:05 <ABCRic> FOR_ALL_COMPANIES(C) is_colour_used[c->colour] = true; 16:04:07 <ABCRic> but I still can't get it to work 16:05:02 <Rubidium> in what way doesn't it work? 16:05:55 <SmatZ> ABCRic: you should initialise the array to false first 16:06:02 <ABCRic> SmatZ: I did 16:06:12 <SmatZ> FOR_ALL_COMPANIES(C) is_colour_used[c->colour] = true; 16:06:16 <SmatZ> also, C is case-sensitive 16:06:18 <SmatZ> C != c 16:08:51 *** Dante123 [503d5321@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:23 <ABCRic> I know, small typo 16:09:23 <ABCRic> I did use C->index 16:10:24 <SmatZ> so the problem is solved, right? 16:10:27 <dihedral> of to church 16:10:32 <dihedral> have a happy new year you all 16:10:35 *** Dante123 [503d5321@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 16:10:43 <SmatZ> happe new year to you, dihedral 16:10:46 <SmatZ> happy, too 16:11:42 <ABCRic> what I'm trying to do is make the company colour generation procedure configurable by adding a 'default company colour' setting 16:12:07 <ABCRic> (uint8 _settings_client.gui.default_company_colour) 16:12:15 <planetmaker> "guten Rutsch", dihedral 16:13:09 <ABCRic> basically, instead of colour = GenerateCompanyColour() this -> http://pastebin.com/0E2ZCH7b 16:13:43 <ABCRic> if the setting is 16, a random colour should be generated 16:13:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r21680 /trunk/src/ (settings_gui.cpp stdafx.h): -Fix (r21656): of course MSVC complains 16:13:48 <Rubidium> that'll blow up in MP 16:14:03 <peter1138> yeah, won't work in mp 16:14:18 <peter1138> and you don't need that array for that, you're only testing one colour 16:14:38 <Rubidium> unless all clients and the server have the same setting 16:14:41 <ABCRic> I just wanted it to work on single-player, then I would be happy :) 16:15:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.161.144] has joined #openttd 16:18:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA5FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:58 <ABCRic> basically all I want is: if (IsColourUsed(setting) || setting == "random") GenerateColour(); else colour = setting 16:19:34 <ABCRic> not checking wether the colour is used resulted in all companies having the same colour 16:20:09 <ABCRic> all my attempts at checking whether colours are used did not work for all colours 16:20:27 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 16:20:53 <planetmaker> ABCRic: but something which only works in SP is quite useless... 16:21:08 <SmatZ> ABCRic: just execute DoCommandP( ... set company colour ...) after joining, and the command will fail if the colour is already used 16:21:33 *** dageek [~dageek@11.74.155.90.in-addr.arpa] has quit [] 16:22:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C0A0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:45 <ABCRic> SmatZ: after joining...? 16:25:34 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-153.dslextreme.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:30:38 *** kjub [~kjub@78.141.82.131] has joined #openttd 16:30:44 <kjub> hi 16:30:52 <kjub> can you help me ? 16:31:02 <__ln__> what year are you from? 16:31:16 <__ln__> 2010 or 2011 16:31:26 <kjub> :D 2010 16:31:36 <planetmaker> __ln__: model lifetime is only important :-P 16:31:53 * planetmaker points also at the topic 16:31:57 <planetmaker> @topic get -3 16:31:57 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Don't ask to ask, just ask 16:33:02 <kjub> how do I repleace my car park ... its old ... when I click the garage and the right bottom yellow arrow nothing happens 16:33:18 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA5FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:15 <ABCRic> So... right now, the setting is "Dark Blue", which translates to a value of 0. The first condition on the if is false 16:35:58 <kjub> ??? OPEN TTD ... a question about car park from the game ... 16:36:07 <ABCRic> considering we are creating the first company, no company colours are used yet. 16:36:20 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21681 /tags/1.1.0-beta2/: -Release: 1.1.0-beta2 16:36:20 <ABCRic> so is_colours_used[0] == false 16:36:35 <Yexo> kjub: use autoreplace 16:36:47 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/Autoreplace 16:36:47 <kjub> dont work 16:37:02 <ABCRic> therefore the second condition is also false. Execution should jump to the else 16:37:14 <kjub> no sign that its pressed or how many cars have been repleaced 16:37:29 <Yexo> "dont work" is not a description of what your tried, nor of exactly what OpenTTD failed to do that you expected to 16:37:45 <Yexo> are you trying to use autoreplace or autorenew? 16:38:00 <ABCRic> considering the setting is 0, (Colours)_settings_client.gui.default_company_colour should be COLOUR_DARKBLUE 16:39:00 <kjub> :D I have different language :D so its hard to say ... there are more wrong things about language translation :D maybe I switch to english 16:39:01 <ABCRic> *COLOUR_DARK_BLUE 16:39:54 <Yexo> It's (almost) always more useful to try and write English yourself, and only use an automatic translation to translate the words you don't know, even if that's most of them 16:39:58 <ABCRic> therefore colour = COLOUR_DARK_BLUE 16:40:19 <ABCRic> so... why is the actual colour a random one? 16:41:03 <ABCRic> seems to work with pale green 16:41:07 <Rubidium> because default_company_colour isn't properly initialised? 16:41:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:29 <ABCRic> and how do I properly initialize it? 16:42:51 <Rubidium> just like all other settings are done 16:42:59 <Rubidium> but it's all pure speculation 16:43:28 <Rubidium> as my crystal ball doesn't provide me with enough information to piece together a full diff of what you're doing 16:43:32 <Yexo> ABCRic: if you want more help, start by showing an actual diff 16:43:42 <Yexo> not a few lines copied randomly from your code without much context 16:44:10 *** Jerre [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:57 <ABCRic> diff -> http://pastebin.com/8ZpmvSYw 16:48:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:17 <kjub> yexo > I pressed all cars ... than down repleace ... popup hashown ... I choose 11busses for change and bottom pressed left start the change ... ? I dont get why on the right is to stop it ??? why after 5minutes is nothing done ? only blue screens donwn that my cars are way to old ... 16:59:59 <Yexo> kjub: I don't understand you competely. Did you read http://wiki.openttd.org/Autoreplace ? If not, start by doing that, it's also available in spanish 17:02:41 <Yexo> ABCRic: not sure why it doesn't work, I can say it'll cause desyncs when used in a multiplayer game though 17:03:52 <ABCRic> that could be worked around by ignoring the setting in multiplayer games, no? not a very good fix though... 17:04:12 <Yexo> yes, but even better would be to listen to SmatZ 17:04:16 <Yexo> <@SmatZ> ABCRic: just execute DoCommandP( ... set company colour ...) after joining, and the command will fail if the colour is already used 17:04:29 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:31 <Yexo> it's easier to code it that way and it has the bonus of also working in mp games 17:04:33 *** Xed_ [~Xed@host88-243-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:05:37 <ABCRic> I didn't understand that 17:05:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:07:54 <ABCRic> I don't understand what I am supposed to do with DoCommandP() 17:08:48 <Yexo> you're patching the wrong place of code 17:09:16 *** Xed [~Xed@host190-176-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:33 <Yexo> for a singleplayer game you should patch MakeNewGameDone, in openttd.cpp:831 17:10:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:11:32 <Yexo> just add a single line of code there, something like: DoCommandP(0, 0, _settings_client.gui.default_company_colour, CMD_SET_COMPANY_COLOUR); 17:13:48 <Yexo> for mp games you need the same line of code, but you'd need to insert it to company_cmd.cpp:823, directly after SyncCompanySettings() (or even inside that function) 17:17:32 <ABCRic> done, compiling now 17:17:50 *** kjub [~kjub@78.141.82.131] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 17:21:32 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:44 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~Admin@c-76-21-141-178.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:45 <ABCRic> it works :D 17:29:57 <ABCRic> one issue though... 17:30:16 <ABCRic> the second company colour is still randomly generated. 17:31:06 <Yexo> what do you want the second colour to be? 17:31:11 <Yexo> sams as first, or another option? 17:31:20 <ABCRic> the same as the first, which the normal thing 17:32:17 <Yexo> DoCommandP(0, 1<<8, _settings_client.gui.default_company_colour, CMD_SET_COMPANY_COLOUR); <- add this line after the previous one 17:32:46 <Yexo> Keep in mind though that it'll set the second colour to "default_company_colour" even when the first color couldn't be set to it (because another company already had it as first color) 17:33:25 <Yexo> if you don't want add, do something like this: http://pastebin.com/Rp55N6Vu 17:33:25 <ABCRic> hmm... 17:34:24 <ABCRic> Maybe we could set the second to the same as the first? 17:34:44 <ABCRic> fetch the colour instead of the setting 17:35:04 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:10 <Yexo> it's it the same color by default? 17:35:33 <Yexo> if so, my pastebin will work just fine, it'll set the second color only if it could change the first color 17:35:41 <Yexo> in that case we already know the first color 17:35:49 <ABCRic> ah, ok 17:38:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 17:38:36 <ABCRic> hrm, error C2440: 'initializing' : cannot convert from 'bool' to 'CommandCost' [C:\SVN\openttd\trunk\projects\openttd_vs100.vcxproj] 17:38:39 <ABCRic> Constructor for class 'CommandCost' is declared 'explicit' 17:41:39 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:41:49 <ZirconiumX> hello 17:42:37 <Yexo> ABCRic: http://pastebin.com/uxmTJvqd that might work 17:44:58 <ABCRic> compiling now, no errors found 17:46:17 <planetmaker> compilation successful != no errors in patch ;-) 17:46:55 * ZirconiumX agrees 17:47:08 <glx> planetmaker: but it's a good start ;) 17:47:43 <ABCRic> ^^that :P 17:47:49 <planetmaker> seems binaries are there. So announcement is made :-) 17:47:53 <Ammler> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/20/ <-- mandriva error :-) 17:48:27 <planetmaker> I could write three annoucments in 3seconds. Is THAT a writing speed? ;-) 17:50:12 <ABCRic> Yexo: doesn't work, the second colour is still random :( 17:50:13 <ZirconiumX> Hurray! 17:50:20 <ZirconiumX> 1.1.0-beta2! 17:50:31 * ZirconiumX gets overexcited 17:50:51 <Yexo> ABCRic: than go with your initial idea, set the second colour to the value of the first color 17:53:10 <Zuu> Hurray hurray! :-) 17:53:37 * ZirconiumX applauds PM 17:54:04 <Ammler> planetmaker: the spec in svn does fail already with version, no support for "-" in the version 17:54:22 <ZirconiumX> yay! I can set the display settings! 17:54:23 <planetmaker> he, ok 17:57:40 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~Admin@c-76-21-141-178.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:58:22 <Ammler> diff is not really helpful: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/21/ 17:59:03 <planetmaker> but it's something I could easily commit ;-) 18:01:48 <glx> many - in the diff 18:02:01 <ABCRic> Yexo: I'm lost... how do I do that? 18:04:03 <Yexo> http://pastebin.com/PZWux3cQ again untested 18:09:02 <Rubidium> is that supposed to work in MP? 18:11:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.161.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:14 <ABCRic> didn't work either, the second colour is still randomly generated :( 18:14:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21682 /trunk/os/debian/changelog: -Fix: Debian changelog was incorrect, so .deb compilation failed 18:14:37 <Yexo> ABCRic: than you'll have to start debugging 18:15:11 <Rubidium> then ;) 18:25:48 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA5FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:43 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 18:30:57 * Zuu wonders why there is no beta2/new year party server 18:32:16 * ZirconiumX also wonders 18:32:38 <planetmaker> there'll be one, no worries 18:32:38 * ZirconiumX thinks it woud be covered with people from Asia 18:32:43 <Zuu> I tried to set up one but I think my windows firewall blocked it. 18:32:55 <ZirconiumX> openttdcoop? 18:33:02 <ZirconiumX> comes to mind 18:33:20 <Zuu> The openttdcoop welcome server looks nice on the screenshot + grf spec. 18:33:32 <planetmaker> but it's not running atm :-P 18:34:08 <planetmaker> well. If you setup a nice game for it - just give it to me :-) 18:34:17 <ZirconiumX> me? 18:34:23 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDEAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:24 <planetmaker> whoever 18:34:25 <ZirconiumX> maybe welcome server 18:36:29 <fjb> Moin 18:37:23 <Zuu> I have a scenario "Communication" which can be found on bananas. It is default industries, ukrs, sub-artic and have a large mountain ridge going from south to north. 18:38:08 <ABCRic> Filled with transmitters, too 18:38:23 <Zuu> Yep :-) 18:38:57 <Zuu> Distant join is disabled and station but speread is still at 18 so it is not to cramped. 18:45:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21683 /trunk/src/lang/ (hungarian.txt russian.txt): 18:45:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by IPG 18:45:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: russian - 3 changes by Lone_Wolf 18:46:16 <ZirconiumX> It would appear that several patches have been added, cargodest, selectively load, and some more, which I haven't seen 18:53:32 <planetmaker> well. The current save might be appealing to Zuu, too 18:56:21 * planetmaker designed something along the line of "swedish theme" ;-) 19:15:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:06 <andythenorth> planetmaker: needs Volvo trucks clearly 19:20:17 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm112.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:32 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:38:33 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:38:48 <supermop> hello 19:40:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:58:11 *** stAckedflow [~stAckedfl@99-33-250-50.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:56 *** fanioz_ [~fanioz@222.124.156.227] has joined #openttd 20:08:25 *** fanioz [~fanioz@222.124.156.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:20:06 * peter1138 ponders 20:20:16 <peter1138> sandalone heightmap generator? 20:20:19 <peter1138> +t 20:20:33 <supermop> sand 20:20:39 <supermop> sand table simulator 20:20:44 <peter1138> :S 20:21:02 <supermop> = hydrology simulator 20:21:09 <supermop> = heightmaps? 20:23:07 <andythenorth> standalone seems most powerful 20:23:14 <andythenorth> but it will be irritating to use :P 20:23:27 <andythenorth> open, generate, save, start ottd, load, faff 20:23:38 <andythenorth> plus another cross platform app to maintain.... 20:25:05 <supermop> hmm 20:25:45 <supermop> the problem is; 20:26:09 <supermop> it would be trivial to generate good bitmaps in a standalone program 20:26:28 <supermop> but people would then want good placement of towns, rivers etc 20:26:47 <supermop> which requires some version of ottd 20:26:59 <planetmaker> you should look through today's IRC logs 20:27:03 <planetmaker> @logs 20:27:03 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 20:27:18 <planetmaker> hello also 20:27:23 <supermop> or something that can create ottd readable scenarios 20:38:54 <supermop> seems like it would be too hard to create .scn s that work across multiple versions of ottd 20:39:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-249-182.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:13 <planetmaker> why? savegames do that, too 20:42:13 <supermop> would a stand alone generator be a heavily patched version of ottd, or a completely different program? 20:52:27 <andythenorth> hey the br612 thing is my new lego train (perhaps) 20:53:25 <andythenorth> http://static.letsbuyit.com/filer/images/uk/products/original/250/65/lego-city-passenger-train-7938-25065461.jpeg 20:55:05 * andythenorth leaves to build lego train 20:55:07 <andythenorth> then go out 20:55:13 <andythenorth> and see the real world 20:55:16 <andythenorth> in the dark 20:55:26 <andythenorth> with people who aren't made of yellow plastic 20:55:29 <andythenorth> :P 20:55:33 <andythenorth> happy new year 20:55:40 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:17:53 <__ln__> http://www.inspirel.com/articles/Strncpy_And_Safety.html 21:23:03 <Wolf01> interesting 21:23:27 <Alberth> oeh, a func does not behave nicely if you feed it garbage :p 21:24:45 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-182.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:08 *** LordAro [56a754a1@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:51 <LordAro> moin 21:38:17 <peter1138> balls, forgot to disable the AI :p 21:56:46 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:57:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:57:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 22:00:51 <fjb> Stupid article about strncpy. 22:01:43 <peter1138> mm? 22:02:24 <fjb> [22:17:53] <__ln__> http://www.inspirel.com/articles/Strncpy_And_Safety.html 22:03:27 <fjb> The author of that article obviously does not know about the return value of strncpy. 22:06:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:07:00 <__ln__> I think the author has a point. 22:08:23 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.52.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:48 <fjb> The only point I see is that you should not overwrite a buffer if you will need it in case of an error. But that is completely independent of copying strings. 22:09:53 <supermop> any germans online? 22:10:00 <fjb> Of course. 22:11:18 <__ln__> Btw, greetings from 2011. 22:11:34 <fjb> Still 2010 over here. 22:11:38 <supermop> generally, if you were in a US shop speaking german with a friend, would you be wierded out to find out the employee of the shop could understand what you were saying? 22:11:59 <fjb> supermop: No. 22:12:22 <ABCRic> depends on what I would be saying :D 22:12:33 <ABCRic> german or not :P 22:12:45 <supermop> just had a couple in here like that 22:12:47 <planetmaker> happy new year __ln__ 22:13:18 <LordAro> supermop: what were they saying? ;) 22:13:26 <supermop> was unsure if I should have let them know, or if it would make them uncomfortable 22:13:35 <supermop> talking about depths of shelves 22:13:54 <LordAro> that's one interesting conversation... :) 22:14:03 <planetmaker> one should never assume that there's no-one who doesn't understand your mother tongue ;-) 22:14:06 <__ln__> supermop: I thought with German being such a big language one couldn't assume nobody abroad understands. 22:14:08 <planetmaker> can be dangerous ;-) 22:14:32 <supermop> i feel like most Europeans assumes americans only speak english 22:15:03 <fjb> And there is still a large community of kind of German speakers in the US. 22:15:04 <__ln__> isn't that quite close to to truth except a lot of them speak spanish 22:16:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:00 <__ln__> please go on, that wasn't meant to be the end of discussion 22:24:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:27:54 <LordAro> Yexo: you use doxygen comments in AdmiralAI, do you actually use doxygen on it? And why? 22:28:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:40:41 <supermop> the germans came back 22:40:48 <supermop> they bought some shelves 22:42:16 <LordAro> supermop: what are you currently supposed to be doing in your job? presumably it's not being on an irc client ;) 22:43:40 <supermop> selling german furniture to germans from a british company in an american shop 22:43:47 <Mazur> supermop, we europeans generally understand quite a few Merkins do not even speak English. 22:43:52 <Mazur> At least not properly. 22:45:29 <supermop> i am using irc in an opera tab, rather than a standalone client as well 22:46:48 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 22:48:01 <Mazur> Hi ho, hi ho. 22:57:36 <supermop> hmm only an hour of work left 23:00:17 <ABCRic> LordAro: getting paid for being in an irc client... sounds cool :D 23:02:41 <supermop> i only started using irc a month or so ago 23:02:51 <supermop> and i have only used it here and in tycoon 23:04:03 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:05:46 <SmatZ> happy new year! 23:06:52 <DanMacK> Happy New Year to the Europeans on the board :D 23:08:54 <supermop> indeed 23:09:02 <supermop> or the continental europeans 23:09:32 <supermop> an hour or so left for Britons 23:09:38 <supermop> if any are around 23:10:16 <Rubidium> felix sit annus novus 23:10:50 <supermop> and also to the romans, I see... 23:11:10 <Mazur> Felis sit annus novus. 23:11:36 <supermop> more correct romans? 23:11:58 <Mazur> Cogito. 23:12:24 <supermop> no ancient greeks online? 23:12:41 <glx> ergo sum 23:13:25 <Mazur> Not really, took exams and all, but never mastered the language to such an extent as for instance Stephen Fry does with latin., 23:14:04 <planetmaker> felicitas in annu novo 23:14:31 <glx> bonne année 23:14:58 <planetmaker> frohes neues Jahr :-) 23:15:57 <Mazur> Joyeux années. 23:17:52 <Mazur> Anyway, Felix is the stem of the word, but the adverb singularis is simply felis 23:18:19 <glx> [00:16:06] <Mazur> Joyeux années. <-- grammar failur ;) 23:18:45 <Mazur> Add an e and I agree. 23:23:53 <__ln__> MMXI 23:24:34 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:47 <ABCRic> bom ano novo! :P 23:28:04 <__ln__> feliz año nuevo a todos 23:28:26 <ABCRic> you guys are forgetting that Portugal uses the same time fuse as the UK 23:28:52 <ABCRic> so I'll still have to wait half an hour... 23:29:11 <Mazur> Graçias. 23:29:37 <Mazur> No, dear, we didn't forget. 23:30:02 <__ln__> so we've got 30 mins to learn portuguese 23:30:03 <Mazur> There are 24 timezones, 3 in Europe. 23:30:23 <__ln__> parts of spain are also GMT 23:30:56 <planetmaker> Mazur: 26 time zones and all the half and quarter hour offsets. So even more 23:30:57 <ABCRic> they are? 23:31:20 <Mazur> pm: Thanks, you're right. 23:31:32 <ABCRic> __ln__: if you consider Azores you have an extra hour :P 23:31:34 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:42 <__ln__> ABCRic: las islas canarias 23:31:54 <supermop> what timezone is greenland? 23:32:48 <__ln__> supermop: mostly GMT-2 it seems 23:32:51 <ABCRic> supermop: http://www.worldtimezone.com/ 23:33:01 <__ln__> err, GMT-3 23:38:47 <Mazur> Greenland is no Dnemark anymore. 23:39:03 <__ln__> a new country embraced the euro currency 1 hour and 39 minutes ago. 23:41:09 <supermop> Greenland? 23:41:24 <planetmaker> "Greenland (Kalaallisut: Kalaallit Nunaat meaning "Land of the Greenlanders"; Danish: GrÞnland)[4] is an autonomous country within the Kingdom of Denmark..." 23:41:30 <Mazur> Sounds more like Eastern Europe. 23:41:35 <ABCRic> supermop: obviously a country with GMT+2 23:41:44 <supermop> haha 23:41:48 <planetmaker> Estonia 23:41:57 <supermop> or a very contrarian country 23:42:05 <__ln__> Estonia it is 23:42:09 <supermop> or one that likes to get a head start 23:42:24 <Ammler> guets nÃŒs! 23:42:43 <planetmaker> nÀchtle to you ;-) 23:43:21 <__ln__> they have only a 2-week transition period 23:43:23 <planetmaker> no wonder Swiss dialect is considered funny ;-) things sound so much alike :-P 23:44:11 <planetmaker> but a happy new year to you, too Ammler :-) 23:44:11 <Ammler> "Ein gutes Neues (Jahr)" :-) 23:44:23 <Mazur> Good nuts? 23:44:48 <Ammler> hehe 23:44:59 <Ammler> nÃŒs->neues->new 23:45:16 <Ammler> guets->gutes->good 23:45:19 <Mazur> I had deciphered that. 23:45:37 <Mazur> But that was not as funny. 23:45:44 <Ammler> :-P 23:45:57 <Ammler> yeah, it was serious 23:46:09 <planetmaker> ;-) 23:46:11 * Mazur once more sips sparkling wine. 23:46:35 <Ammler> I am almost drunk with that stuff 23:46:49 <Mazur> Not quite drunk yet. 23:47:16 * planetmaker doesn't like sparkling wine. Especially if there's other nice stuff ;-) 23:47:20 <Mazur> Only one sparkly bottle, four more unsprakly ones. 23:58:12 <fjb> Happy new year!