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00:03:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21864 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#4430]: distant-join station would build at the wrong location when having persistent building turned on and selecting a "second" location for the station tile 00:22:04 *** supermop [~daniel_er@82-69-99-113.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: supermop] 00:28:25 *** Eggman891 [~Eggman891@cpc7-staf7-2-0-cust542.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: -1 Furfag in dis channel.] 00:28:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:08 *** afk [~Dre@92.30.68.47] has joined #openttd 00:31:11 *** afk [~Dre@92.30.68.47] has quit [] 00:31:22 <Wolf01> 'night 00:31:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:33:06 *** afk [~Dre@92.30.68.47] has joined #openttd 00:37:08 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.157.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:10 *** Mikael [~Mikael@46.32.63.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:34 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5BD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 01:08:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.14.158] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 01:10:34 *** Mikael [~Mikael@46.32.63.243] has joined #openttd 01:29:55 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-159.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 01:34:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:36:25 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:54 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 01:50:21 *** nicfer1 [~nicfer@190.50.17.46] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-17-176.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39:00 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:18 *** afk [~Dre@92.30.68.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:04:29 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-6-81.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 03:10:40 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-111-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:15:07 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.104.50] has joined #openttd 03:18:19 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.104.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29:17 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.63.202] has joined #openttd 03:52:40 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-159.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:05:00 *** fjb is now known as Guest886 04:05:02 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD06E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:12:06 *** Guest886 [~frank@p5DDFF2CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:15:28 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 04:19:56 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.63.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:30:02 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 04:46:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:fc80:f1af:c953:4957] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7790A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7784D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:58:02 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:07:08 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:01:09 <Terkhen> good morning 07:11:18 <Rubidium> morning 07:12:47 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:13:14 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2c86.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:22:38 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:26:54 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2c86.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:31:14 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:31:23 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e06ec12.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:33:42 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-f083e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33:59 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-f083e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:39:14 <planetmaker> moin 07:40:56 *** thomas [~thomas@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 07:41:03 *** thomas is now known as DJNekkid 08:05:19 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 08:24:23 <planetmaker> hm... the symmetric / asymmetric setting for cargos is not too interesting for 'Joe' or 'Fred', I think 08:24:33 <planetmaker> it should be a cargo property for cargodist. 08:24:42 <planetmaker> as such newgrf-able 08:38:05 <Terkhen> it is the best way to support all possible cargos 08:39:12 <planetmaker> yes. I see no other. Or the code will become a mess. 08:40:14 <planetmaker> and I fear many ununderstandable new advanced settings 08:41:25 <planetmaker> at least for 'Joe' or 'Fred' ;-) 08:43:48 <Terkhen> yes, it should be kept as simple as possible 08:45:01 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-184.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 08:45:22 <planetmaker> I'm not sure how crucial the other settings are and whether they need a GUI or should be cfg only like the PF settings 08:47:00 <Terkhen> I would need to try cargodist to know that for sure, but from the discusions I overheard I know it has a lot of settings 08:48:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B191.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:44 <planetmaker> yeah, same here. 09:05:28 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.mimer.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:33 *** thomas_ [~thomas@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:44 *** thomas_ is now known as DJNekkid 09:22:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:23:07 <Wolf01> hello 09:24:12 <Terkhen> good morning Wolf01 09:25:35 <planetmaker> moin Wolf01 09:28:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:28:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 09:34:59 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 09:35:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21865 /trunk/src/saveload/vehicle_sl.cpp: -Fix (r21862): don't perform savegame conversion when reinitialising some vehicle structures due to NewGRF changes 10:16:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D5DD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:21:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.186.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:55 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:13 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:42:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.14.158] has joined #openttd 11:59:51 <Guest850> hey-ho 12:00:01 *** Guest850 is now known as z-MaTRiX_nonidentified 12:16:45 <peter1138> Reallocating X list to 125951168 items (2015218688 bytes) failed 12:16:48 <peter1138> good reason for failing 12:22:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21866 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Feature [FS#4394]: [NewGRF] Rail type property to influence sorting of rail types in the drop down list 12:29:46 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:53 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:31:37 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 12:33:29 <IchGuckLive> hi all after now 8Hard Gameyears if got enove money to start a Woodfarm in Desert area! BUT it tels me it only can be placed in Rainforest , where can i see if the trees around are Rainforest ? 12:36:36 <V453000> green land 12:36:54 <IchGuckLive> Subtropical Dessert 12:37:39 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@58.79.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 12:38:21 <V453000> ... 12:38:42 <V453000> yes and in subtropical there are some tiles orange as desert, and some are green as rainforest 12:39:17 <IchGuckLive> oh lumber mill 12:39:24 <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.openttd.org/Lumber_Mill 12:40:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21867 /trunk/src/ (rail_gui.cpp rail_gui.h toolbar_gui.cpp): -Codechange: move creating the rail type dropdown to a more general location 12:40:24 <V453000> . 12:40:27 <V453000> . 12:40:27 <V453000> . 12:40:27 <IchGuckLive> no picture on tree type 4 12:41:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21868 /trunk/src/autoreplace_gui.cpp: -Fix (r21866 and some more): the changes to the main toolbar rail types dropdown should happen for the autoreplace dropdown as well 12:41:10 <V453000> please 12:41:21 <V453000> can you TRY to build it in a green area in tropic? 12:41:31 <V453000> somewhere where it looks like deep in that area 12:41:36 <V453000> one would say it is a rainforest 12:41:48 <IchGuckLive> yes i will but it says it will chop trees type 4 12:42:20 <SmatZ> I hate registration services, where I have to choose from list of predefined control questions 12:42:55 <SmatZ> like "born name of mother / born date of family members / favourite actor / ..." 12:43:08 <SmatZ> if someone wants to steal my account, these things are not hard to find 12:43:13 <V453000> yea, thats pretty stupid 12:45:00 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-184.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:04 <Terkhen> I answer random stuff to those questions 12:45:22 <IchGuckLive> thanks fpr your help someone shoudt consider to expand the wiki in that way hart do get to the infos ! 12:45:23 <V453000> I usually answer yes, no or something similarly simple 12:45:47 <V453000> IchGuckLive: nobody needs a wiki for funding lumber mills ... 12:46:00 <IchGuckLive> i do 12:46:14 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709]] 12:46:18 <V453000> k 12:47:11 <ABCRic> V453000: a wiki is supposed to contain all knowledge :P 12:47:28 <ABCRic> whether it is needed or not 12:47:34 <V453000> well 12:47:36 <V453000> it does in this case 12:48:01 <V453000> it says where the lumber mill has to be, that it chops trees, and the other info 12:48:04 <V453000> nobody needs anything more 12:48:29 <V453000> should there be a video tutorial how to click on land to make a lumber mill? I doubt that would help this guy, he seems helpless to me 12:48:42 <V453000> human idiocy is infinite 12:49:00 <ABCRic> videos wouldn't help, they don't show mouse clicks :D :P 12:49:07 <V453000> :D yea 12:49:11 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:25 <SmatZ> Terkhen: yeah :) but I would bet most people don't 12:49:30 <V453000> Click coming now ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... have you clicked? 12:49:48 <SmatZ> :D 12:49:54 <V453000> if yes, continue the video, if not, please go kill yourself 12:49:59 <SmatZ> hehe 12:50:52 <V453000> but seriously, it is a game and I think it is normal to try the stuff, and if it does not work, THEN I check wiki ... this IchGuckLive just first sees the wiki ... wtf 12:52:19 <ABCRic> V453000: be patient, and you will be rewarded... check your holy book for more detailed information 12:53:46 <V453000> holy book is nice but people stupidity kind of counters it very well 12:54:27 <Terkhen> I think that both of our current discussion topics might be closely related :) 12:54:29 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:64be:f219:9829:1aab] has joined #openttd 12:54:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:54:45 <V453000> :) 12:54:59 <V453000> all topics are related that way then :D 13:00:00 <V453000> hmm terraforming is also limited for SP? :OOO 13:00:19 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@58.79.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:16 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@58.79.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 13:01:37 <Terkhen> yes 13:02:46 <V453000> odd :) 13:02:50 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:02:55 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@58.79.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [] 13:03:33 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@58.79.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 13:16:40 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 13:20:05 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:24:41 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5FA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:53 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@58.79.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:12 <dihedral> oi 13:47:03 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.96.65] has joined #openttd 14:01:18 <dihedral> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4381 <- regarding this 14:01:48 <dihedral> have an advanced settings setting, which toggles the view of all available settings 14:02:10 <peter1138> settings for settings? :S 14:02:16 <dihedral> so then some settings are per default not visible, and by checking a box, they can all be displayed even 14:02:47 <dihedral> yes, consider a router config interface - you have basic and advanced 14:02:55 <dihedral> sadly the word advanced is already taken :-P 14:03:05 <dihedral> so you could do "basic" and "full" view of settings 14:03:48 <dihedral> does that sound like a feasable idea? 14:04:37 <dihedral> [ ] yes i know what i am doing and i want access to all possible settings 14:04:57 <dihedral> are you really sure? [ ] no [x] no 14:05:10 <dihedral> [ ] cancle :-P 14:05:58 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:33 <Belugas> hello 14:06:54 <planetmaker> dihedral, It does, but I'd not tackle that before not difficulty, options, display and adv. settings are somewhat reviewed as a whole and more unified 14:07:22 <planetmaker> and possibly moved from the main menu jointly with the ai and newgrf settings to a sub-view of the new game panel 14:08:05 <planetmaker> also I'm not sure how much merit such setting really would have. 14:08:39 <dihedral> it would make all settings available via the gui, which someone has complained about 14:09:23 <dihedral> hmmm - also, do people have a chance to reset a setting to its default? (other than removing it from the config file) 14:13:58 <peter1138> how about a settings button to control the settings button to control the settings? 14:14:02 <peter1138> also: an undo knob 14:16:51 <Belugas> and a 3d underground view setting as well 14:17:07 <Belugas> i'm sure it has never been requested 14:20:41 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:16 <peter1138> oh yes 14:27:15 <dihedral> peter1138, a toggle button for hiding a certain group of settings is not that uncommon ;-) 14:27:45 <peter1138> dihedral, i'm a gnome user, not a kde user ;p 14:29:35 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 14:31:28 <dihedral> same here 14:32:18 <dihedral> for some reason i always thought you were a windows guy - or am i confusing you with glx? 14:32:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i have an idea: make the advanced advanced options a cheat! 14:32:37 <dihedral> lol 14:32:53 <dihedral> or with a command line option 14:33:14 <dihedral> ./openttd --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing-and-really-want-to-tamper-with-other-settings-this-time-round 14:33:17 <Eddi|zuHause> cheat: allow changing newgrfs 14:33:39 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:33:52 <dihedral> and when newgrfs have been changed, a game cannot be saved anymore :-P 14:34:28 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, Indeed that's something I thought about 14:34:51 *** KouDy [~KouDy@220.42.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:35:03 <planetmaker> it also might have the nice effect that people do not want to cheat ;-) 14:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> ./openttd --yes-i-read-the-readme-about-the-implications-of-this-and-i-have-made-sure-this-setting-is-not-copypastable-becaouse-i-maed-ramdom-typeing-mistakes-in-it 14:35:17 <planetmaker> and one could call the cheater then 14:35:42 <planetmaker> :-P 14:36:54 <Eddi|zuHause> all windows-users are screwed because they a) don't know how to give command line options, and b) can't read the error output 14:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> we should make it a convoluted chain of options the user has to go through 14:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause> like: 14:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause> ./openttd --knock-knock 14:38:31 <Eddi|zuHause> ./openttd --white-rabbit 14:38:35 <Eddi|zuHause> ./openttd --red-pill 14:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> (...) 14:39:27 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:41:01 *** PhoenixII [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:41:48 <Belugas> one pill makes you smaller 14:41:53 <Belugas> and one pill makes you tall 14:42:08 <Belugas> and the one that mother gave don't do anything at all 14:42:11 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:22 <Belugas> go ask Alice, when she was ten feet tall 14:42:34 <peter1138> good tune 14:42:44 *** PhoenixII [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:51 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:58:45 *** 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*** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:59:48 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.mimer.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:08 <Belugas> quite a good one indeed;) 16:03:29 <peter1138> not that long though ;) 16:04:45 <planetmaker> small is beautiful ;-) 16:05:04 <peter1138> i was judging by the time for the response ;) 16:05:19 <planetmaker> :-D 16:05:28 <planetmaker> quite not that long indeed ;-) 16:08:56 *** KouDy [~KouDy@60.51.82.143] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:10:09 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 16:15:53 <__ln__> http://i.imgur.com/L4dVZ.jpg 16:21:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2c86.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:50 <Belugas> hem.. let say... right now, i'm in "isolation" mode, peter1138 16:35:10 <Belugas> meaning... i'm deep into my code, i don't touch email, i don't touch phone, i'm just coding 16:35:17 <Belugas> so it's quite laggy 16:35:59 <Belugas> a feature promised a year ago, but the "managers" never actually gave me the time i required to do it 16:36:24 <Belugas> and yes, as usual, time ran out. I have two weeks to do what i said would require a month 16:36:40 <Belugas> so... i said, ok, i'll do it, but cut me from the outside. 16:36:56 <Belugas> mmh.. compiled. see ya "soon" 16:45:08 <Wolf01> lol __ln__ :D 16:45:15 <Wolf01> hello Belugas 16:57:21 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:52 <Katje> which version of openttd did they bring in the idea of being ble to close an airport so you can replace it ? 17:05:22 <Terkhen> none, that's a patch 17:05:24 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35867 17:05:51 <Katje> oh 17:06:58 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:07:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8A15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:07:29 <LordAro> evenings 17:14:34 *** supermop [~daniel_er@82-69-99-113.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:18:48 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:23:45 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:25:00 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:18 <Belugas> hi Wolf01:) 17:27:27 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:35:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e06ec12.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:29 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f720e57.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:34 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:58:07 *** supermop [~daniel_er@82-69-99-113.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: supermop] 18:01:49 <dihedral> oi 18:03:50 <dihedral> my boss is offering me a dual quad core system with 32GB RAM :-) 18:08:05 <LordAro> :o 18:08:50 <planetmaker> sounds 'acceptable'. Just make sure the hdd is larger than 40GB :-P 18:13:59 <Belugas> who cares :) 40gb is big enough for everyone! 18:20:36 <dihedral> i think 4 SAS hdd's should be alright :-P 18:21:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:21:38 <planetmaker> @logs 18:21:38 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 18:21:40 <dihedral> esx :-) yay 18:30:29 <Belugas> [13:20] <dihedral> i think 4 SAS hdd's should be alright :-P <-- he?? WATZDAT? 18:31:44 <dihedral> Belugas, serial attached SCSI 18:32:04 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:34:49 <Belugas> ha 18:35:58 <peter1138> it's like SATA but with "SCSI" in the name, so they can charge more 18:36:47 <Rubidium> peter1138: what's the difference between SATA and SCSI anyhow? It's all ending up as sdX under Linux ;) 18:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21869 /trunk/src/lang/ (japanese.txt slovenian.txt): 18:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: japanese - 131 changes by kokubunzi 18:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: slovenian - 4 changes by ntadej 18:49:38 *** Ylioppilas [~svkoskin@hoasnet-fe17dd00-222.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:59 *** Ylioppilas [~svkoskin@hoasnet-fe17dd00-222.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:12:48 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 19:18:08 <SmatZ> oh no, the "beer me" guy at #tycoon again 19:18:25 <SmatZ> causing frequent highlights for me... 19:18:39 <Chris_Booth> SmatZ: are you not the Beer Miester? 19:19:01 <SmatZ> Chris_Booth: actually, I haven't had a beer for several days :) 19:19:16 <SmatZ> because there are none in the house 19:19:23 <SmatZ> :) 19:19:26 <Chris_Booth> lol, High five for lazyness 19:19:29 <SmatZ> :-D 19:23:22 <dihedral> i have beer bottles in the house .... empty :-( 19:23:29 <SmatZ> :D 19:23:31 <dihedral> had them for a month 19:23:36 <dihedral> (at least) 19:28:54 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2c86.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:09 <dihedral> anybody here familiar with design patterns? 19:33:04 <__ln__> i've seen one once 19:33:54 <dihedral> helpful! 19:34:06 <__ln__> a small one 19:35:36 <dihedral> i am looking for information on observer pattern and command pattern ;-) 19:35:41 <dihedral> and their uses 19:35:43 <dihedral> etc. 19:36:00 <dihedral> mainly observer 19:39:12 <__ln__> with observer you register your object to a notifier, which then calls some method of yours when something interesting happens. 19:42:54 <dihedral> i am considering using that pattern for the project 'grapes' 19:43:14 <dihedral> would change the way plugins are handled 19:43:44 <dihedral> but at this stage i do not care 19:47:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:53:42 <LordAro> hmmm... my c++ book says that #define's should be avoided at all costs... 19:53:53 <LordAro> so why are there so many in OTTD? 19:54:23 <LordAro> also, hi andythenorth :) 19:55:23 <__ln__> LordAro: because it's not at all a well written piece of C++ code. 19:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: plus it's actually mostly originating from C 19:55:49 <LordAro> well it should be changed :P 19:56:06 <LordAro> and yes, Eddi, i guessed that too 19:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: well, go ahead 19:56:45 <LordAro> :) not quite sure how the #define's work yet 19:56:48 <dihedral> does it not also depend on what you define? 19:58:59 <frosch123> LordAro: i would consider that a didactical lie :p 20:00:17 <Terkhen> me too, defines should be used when they are needed 20:02:54 <dihedral> also, reading advice somewhere and projecting that onto a project which has evolved over many years is silly ;-) 20:04:16 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:24 <dihedral> lol - my boss is interested in OpenTTD :-D 20:05:47 <frosch123> every boss is interested for what you waste your time outside of the company :p 20:05:57 <Terkhen> :D 20:08:10 <dihedral> up to the fact that i told him i had to go early to write a patch :-D 20:08:28 <dihedral> hehe 20:08:35 <dihedral> @logs 20:08:35 <DorpsGek> dihedral: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 20:15:35 * Prof_Frink shall be going to Yate Aerospace tomorrow :D 20:17:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-54-185.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:21:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:25 *** DDR_ [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:52 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:11 <andythenorth> my boss loves OpenTTD 20:26:20 <andythenorth> he's even writing newgrfs :P 20:26:44 <Markk> I wan't a cool boss too. 20:26:54 <Markk> My just walks around and says "How's it goin'?" 20:27:03 <andythenorth> that's bossing 20:27:07 <andythenorth> mine does that a lot too 20:27:18 <Markk> He's a rare pokémon. 20:27:49 <Markk> Just shows up, ignores you for 5 seconds and then dissapears. 20:27:57 <frosch123> [21:26] <andythenorth> he's even writing newgrfs :P <- yeah, but he wastes a lot of time on lego :p 20:28:16 <andythenorth> wastes? 20:28:24 <andythenorth> invests :P 20:28:55 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:05 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 20:29:27 <Rubidium> isn't investing like wasting, but the government repays you for whatever is lost on your "investment"? 20:29:48 <andythenorth> hmm 20:29:56 <planetmaker> meh... anyone wants a factor 10000? I've a spare one, just don't know where :S 20:30:25 <frosch123> planetmaker: did you confuse km and gigaangstroms ? 20:30:36 <planetmaker> I wish :-) 20:30:54 <planetmaker> I hope I didn't confuse mbar and Pa... 20:31:26 <frosch123> that would be 100 20:31:30 <planetmaker> yeah 20:31:36 <Rubidium> **2 ;) 20:31:39 <planetmaker> ^^ 20:32:57 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fntb.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 20:33:36 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086237.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:34:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8A15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:56 <Rubidium> dihedral: "do remember though that the clear land will also have an affect on building tracks or road" <- au contraire 20:38:17 <dihedral> really? 20:38:18 <Rubidium> clearing done by building isn't accounted for, just the stick of dynamite 20:38:29 <dihedral> uhhhh sweet :-) 20:39:12 *** volta [nobody@141.48.223.1] has joined #openttd 20:39:55 <dihedral> updated :-) 20:40:26 <dihedral> i hope the bits of math are enough to give people an idea :-) 20:41:57 <Rubidium> dihedral: would be sweet if it were a (sub)section in docs/multiplayer.txt 20:42:13 <volta> hi folks. is the following a bug or a feature: if i drag to build multiple signals i get block signals even if the signal i started with is for example a combo signal 20:42:14 <dihedral> perhaps a bit more compact ;-) 20:43:13 <volta> this works fine for the two path signals, but not for entry, exit and combo signals 20:43:52 <Rubidium> volta: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/2e6df0c628cb/known-bugs.txt#l262 20:44:12 <Rubidium> for combo signals the behaviour has been changed recently 20:45:10 <Hirundo> with division, both negative and positive numbers are truncated towards zero, right? 20:45:11 <volta> "recently" means in nightly? 20:45:33 * Rubidium wonders why this behaviour is "okay" for (over) two years and then two people report it within a few days 20:45:47 <Rubidium> volta: yes, beta3 is too old 20:45:56 <volta> ok fine 20:46:24 <dihedral> probably new people :-) 20:46:39 <frosch123> dihedral: what is the state of joan and grapes? does it make sense to link them from docs/admin_network.txt or similiar? 20:47:03 <Hirundo> I wonder whether the usefulness of not dragging entry/exit signals outweighs the inconsistency / possible bug reports 20:47:15 <volta> i need masses of combo signals for priority lanes :P 20:47:33 <frosch123> Hirundo: yes 20:47:36 <dihedral> frosch123, joan is a workable library and provides an example application 'simple console' 20:47:44 <dihedral> i doubt it's worth linking to grapes currently 20:47:48 * andythenorth should do some tickets :P 20:47:50 <Rubidium> Hirundo: one person reported the inconsistency in ~5 years 20:48:23 <Rubidium> and having it behave the way it does for exit/entry signals is actually really useful 20:48:42 <Rubidium> means you can build "normal" signals away from the junction at the right interval 20:49:16 <Rubidium> otherwise you would either need to count to get the right interval, or you would drag one interval, change the signal, drag further 20:49:41 <Hirundo> Or alternatively, drag the signals before converting the first one to a presignal 20:50:31 <Hirundo> Does the relevant tooltip say something about this? 20:50:36 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:48 <Rubidium> Hirundo: unlikely 20:50:49 <volta> to be able to drag "convert signal" would also be nice 20:50:56 <Rubidium> or is it already two books long? 20:51:52 <frosch123> volta: i would only miss that for electric/semaphore conversion. makes no sense for other types, does it? 20:53:13 <frosch123> but a electric/semaphore conversion while keeping the signal type does not match the behaviour of the convert-signal tool 20:53:43 <volta> you're right, it's a lame idea 20:54:10 <Hirundo> It's already the second longest string in the list, only the 'goto' tooltip is even longer 20:57:53 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 20:58:55 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:09 <dihedral> Rubidium, i think the minimum value of terraform_frame_burst should be 4 to avoid misconfiguration by people setting it to 1 21:01:22 <dihedral> which would result in no terraforming being able to take place 21:01:33 <dihedral> oh hmmm said nothing 21:02:04 <dihedral> which would also mean that disabeling terraforming would not be possible :-( 21:02:06 <dihedral> forget it :-D 21:02:24 <Rubidium> burst 1 means you can only terraform one tile height 21:02:58 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8A15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:05:33 *** LordAro [~kvirc@host217-43-106-142.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:33 <planetmaker> dihedral, 1 is meaningful. 21:08:52 <dihedral> i thought 1 means you can terraform one tile corner - which in most cases is not possible 21:09:22 <planetmaker> give it a shot. TF one corner is always possible 21:09:46 <dihedral> no, because in most cases you need to tf 4 corners ;-) 21:09:51 <dihedral> for tile corners 21:10:01 <planetmaker> it's in corners... 21:10:13 <planetmaker> one corner borders to 4 tiles. But so what? 21:10:25 <dihedral> eh? 21:10:31 <planetmaker> your presumed scale is off by a factor of 4 21:10:39 <dihedral> a setting of 1 = 4 tile corners? 21:10:54 <dihedral> no 21:10:56 <planetmaker> one grid corner 21:11:02 <dihedral> i presume that tf of one spot affects 4 tiles 21:11:10 <planetmaker> don't presume. Test. 21:11:12 <Rubidium> but it's not counted in tiles 21:11:14 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: .] 21:11:18 <dihedral> hgggr 21:11:22 <Rubidium> terraforming is counted in tile heights 21:11:38 <planetmaker> dihedral, I did test it. So you arguing is pointless ;-) 21:11:49 <Rubidium> a tile height is one height level at one of those white dots when playing with the terraforming tool 21:11:51 <dihedral> it's not because it helps me understand :-D 21:12:14 <planetmaker> then test it in the border cases. It helps understand VERY quickly. You'd know by now 10 times 21:12:22 <Rubidium> so presume a flat area, then raising it once you get a cost of 1 "tf" action 21:13:13 <Rubidium> raising that same point for a second time will cost you 5 "tf" actions; all four neighbouring "dots" need to be raised and the center "dot" 21:13:37 <dihedral> yes 21:14:40 <Rubidium> next higher is 13 "tf" actions, and after that it's 25 "tf" 21:15:32 <planetmaker> thus it counts the individual TF actions needed, if done every single step separately 21:17:40 *** volta [nobody@141.48.223.1] has quit [Quit: :D] 21:19:25 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: The intention of ext-rating is that the rating calculation yields the same result as before as long as there's no transfer cargo waiting at other stations. 21:19:53 <fonsinchen> Shall I write that in the code or as a separate document somewhere? 21:22:22 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:21 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/limits.diff 21:23:48 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: the point was that some constants got changed, e.g. the threshold for removing cargo with low ratings seems to be halved 21:24:38 <fonsinchen> yes, but waiting_avg is waiting / 2 for stations without external cargo 21:24:46 <fonsinchen> so it amounts to the same thing 21:25:16 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-206.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 21:25:37 <Rubidium> ah, okay 21:25:47 <Rubidium> I was thinking num_dests would be 0 21:26:17 <dihedral> specifying a different max value would be interesting for the limits 21:26:33 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@57.89.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 21:26:56 <fonsinchen> The map size might be 0 but then there is no cargo 21:26:59 <dihedral> still letting the inital limit inherrit from burst 21:27:12 <fonsinchen> That's a corner case; maybe I should think about it. 21:27:38 <fonsinchen> Then waiting is 0 anyway, though. 21:27:39 <Rubidium> when there is no cargo then I don't care about spoiling cargo 21:27:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:28:50 <Rubidium> so I'd add something like /* Only 0 when there is no cargo, otherwise (even without cargo destinations) 1 or more. */ before num_dests 21:28:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21870 /trunk/docs/admin_network.txt: -Doc: Mention 'joan' in the admin network documentation. 21:29:01 <dihedral> \o/ 21:29:26 <fonsinchen> I did 21:29:51 <Rubidium> and maybe make it explicit that waiting_avg = waiting / 2 when cargo destinations are disabled 21:31:47 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 21:33:00 <frosch123> + As a day consists of 74 frames, a companies limit is increased by 74 <- s/companies/company's/ 21:34:01 <Rubidium> 2.3s -> 2.22s ;) 21:34:46 <Rubidium> lea way -> leeway 21:35:34 <Rubidium> @calc 127*7*74/65536 21:35:34 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1.00381469727 21:36:57 <frosch123> +4.1) Imposing destructive limits <- more indenting, and a * 21:37:57 <SmatZ> +4.1) Imposing destructive limits 21:38:07 <SmatZ> there should be only 1 empty line between subchapters 21:38:46 <dihedral> updated 21:39:10 <Rubidium> leaway -> leeway 21:40:06 <SmatZ> + As a day consists of 74 frames, a companies limit is increased by 74 21:40:07 <SmatZ> + tile during the course of a single day (~2.3 seconds). 21:40:13 <SmatZ> that doesn't make much sense to me :x 21:40:17 <SmatZ> "tile"->"tiles"? 21:40:23 <SmatZ> + To archive a 1 tile per day increase the following calculation is needed: 21:40:29 <SmatZ> archive->achieve? 21:40:33 <dihedral> ops 21:40:59 <SmatZ> @dict leeway 21:41:12 <fonsinchen> I think naming an inner class of FlowStat FlowStatComparator is a little redundant. 21:41:25 <fonsinchen> I'll call it Comparator 21:41:52 <Rubidium> SmatZ: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leeway 21:42:34 <SmatZ> Rubidium: thanks, but still it doesn't make much sense to me: "The value 886 still gives enough leaway to scale this behaviour further" 21:42:42 <SmatZ> (7 days) 21:42:43 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:42:44 <SmatZ> missing full stop 21:43:06 <dihedral> SmatZ, the value is big enough to not impose a minimum yet 21:43:48 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: you might want to take a look at http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist/LATEST/logs/windows-win64-compile.log as well (the end); I've got no clue about the exact warnings though 21:43:56 <dihedral> updated 21:44:18 <SmatZ> The value 886 still gives enough "allowable margin of freedom or variation" to scale this behaviour further 21:44:26 <SmatZ> makes no sense 21:44:47 <SmatZ> I would just call it space, freedom... 21:45:45 <fonsinchen> looks obscure 21:45:52 <SmatZ> if leeway == tolerance, it is weird 21:46:16 <SmatZ> but ... whatever :) 21:46:24 <SmatZ> English is not my mother tongue :p 21:47:09 <dihedral> SmatZ, it's not the mother tongue of mose players :-) 21:47:18 <dihedral> updated 21:49:22 <SmatZ> "destructive limits" sounds funny :) 21:49:41 <Rubidium> maybe destruction limits is better 21:51:39 <dihedral> updated 21:52:28 *** ABCRic_ [~ABCRic@206.228.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 21:53:02 *** ABCRic is now known as Guest971 21:53:02 *** ABCRic_ is now known as ABCRic 21:53:03 <planetmaker> it's called landscapeing in the language file. What about 'landscaping limits'? 21:55:48 <dihedral> very nice idea planetmaker 21:55:58 <dihedral> updated 21:58:33 *** Guest971 [~ABCRic@57.89.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:28 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:01:42 <frosch123> night 22:01:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7ff6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21871 /trunk/docs/multiplayer.txt: -Doc: terraforming/clearing limits (dihedral) 22:04:40 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> hey-ho 22:04:55 <dihedral> \o/ 22:05:24 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> ahah 22:06:14 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> terraforming limits 22:06:35 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> well 22:06:46 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> played a multiplayer 2 days ago 22:06:56 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> terraforming cost a fortune 22:07:07 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> it way way enough limit 22:07:11 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> *was 22:07:13 <dihedral> depends on the server config and newgrf settings 22:07:42 <dihedral> not everybody wants to run a server with bascost newgrf 22:08:31 <planetmaker> costs are only a limit for new companies 22:09:30 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> well 22:09:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21872 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Doc: update some more documentation 22:10:17 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> terraforming cost more than building on water on other servers 22:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause> so? 22:11:10 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> so it was a limit 22:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause> increasing basecosts only slightly shifts the point where you can't spend anymore what you earn by yourself 22:12:21 <ABCRic> z-MaTRiX_nonidentified: let's call it an incentive for not destroying the landscape 22:12:32 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> ;> 22:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause> [that is, as long as you manage to get one profitable line] 22:12:51 <dihedral> YAY 22:13:16 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, well... if you're radical with the base costs you can shift that point a bit more than slightly :-) - but generally true, of course 22:13:23 <dihedral> though it still is the 20th here :-P 22:13:55 <planetmaker> it proved quite interesting to rise them to like 100k per TF action... 22:14:18 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> :) 22:14:20 <planetmaker> also interesting is to see new people terraform a bit and then drop :-P 22:14:23 <Rubidium> but that only prevents beginners from terraforming 22:14:34 <planetmaker> of course :-) 22:15:09 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> i have tried 72k/tf 22:15:24 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> tried to build as usual 22:15:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21873 /tags/1.1.0-beta4/: -Release: 1.1.0-beta4 22:15:39 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> and spent 1M euros on a short track 22:15:52 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> didnt even complete 22:15:57 <SmatZ> hehe 22:16:13 <ABCRic> ooooh, a new beta :D when is 1.1 going to branch? 22:16:27 <SmatZ> never :( 22:16:31 <Rubidium> when love is in the air ;) 22:16:36 <SmatZ> :-) 22:16:45 <SmatZ> that said, never... 22:16:45 <planetmaker> :-) 22:16:47 <dihedral> 2000-never :-P 22:17:26 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:58 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> make version number exponential 22:18:01 <ABCRic> well, I guess that means that new features will always be made available in the next release :) 22:18:05 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> so never reaches 1.0 22:18:07 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> <; 22:18:45 <SmatZ> :) 22:18:58 <planetmaker> ehm... you're aware that many exponential functions.... ;-) 22:19:02 <SmatZ> it has actually already happened 22:20:20 <dihedral> which means we will never (again) reach 1.0 22:20:56 <SmatZ> :) 22:21:45 <planetmaker> yeah... version numbers better are some kind of injective function... 22:22:28 <dihedral> flightgear has a discussion on their mailing list before each release, discussing which version number they should use for the release 22:22:31 <dihedral> :-P 22:23:11 *** thomas [~thomas@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:13 <Rubidium> pff... just bump the minor every year and the major every decade ;) 22:23:34 <dihedral> they only have a release once a year :-P 22:23:38 <dihedral> so that could work :-D 22:24:19 <Terkhen> good night 22:24:45 <dihedral> good night Terkhen 22:25:27 <Rubidium> night Terkhen 22:25:59 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> hmm 22:26:12 <dihedral> i will say the same - have an appointment at a client tomorrow 22:26:20 <planetmaker> g'night dihedral 22:26:23 <dihedral> night :-) 22:26:26 <SmatZ> good night dihedral 22:29:01 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-71-196-90-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:25 <ABCRic> I'm off as well, good night all 22:29:28 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:29:53 <planetmaker> oh, good night and hello then in this order :-) 22:29:59 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@206.228.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: The bad thing about quit messages is that you never know how people react to them.] 22:30:33 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8A15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:19 *** Ammler is now known as marcel 22:31:50 <SmatZ> good night planetmaker 22:32:05 *** marcel is now known as Ammler 22:32:22 <Nite_Owl> Later planetmaker 22:32:28 <planetmaker> uhm... :-) I said 'good night' to ABCRic ;-) - but thank you 22:32:43 <Nite_Owl> Oops 22:32:46 <planetmaker> I think it's about time indeed :-) 22:33:04 <planetmaker> so, yes, have a good night all of you friendly folks :-) 22:33:42 <Nite_Owl> Advanced Settings -> Stations -> Cargo Handling -> Deliver cargo to a station only when there is a demand - Do NOT change this setting during a running game ?? I did and my trains were suddenly loading to 125% or more... 22:33:57 <SmatZ> oh :) 22:34:05 <planetmaker> you're not using a buggy nightly? 22:34:12 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> btw 22:34:19 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> there was a server 22:34:26 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> simulation america 22:34:29 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: upgrade your openttd 22:34:33 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> with terraforming locked 22:34:34 <Nite_Owl> Which one was buggy - I have today's nightly 22:34:39 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> <; 22:34:46 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: yesterday's one 22:35:01 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> creating tunnels made a bit terraforming but it was forbidden 22:35:20 <Nite_Owl> Even with today's nightly I got the same behavior 22:35:32 <SmatZ> z-MaTRiX_nonidentified: really? baaad 22:35:37 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:35:38 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> <; 22:35:50 <Nite_Owl> Could be that the save was off of yesterday's nightly ?? 22:36:01 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: if r21869 is broken for you... 22:36:08 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: it's possible, yes 22:36:13 <Rubidium> the savegame's just broken 22:36:18 <SmatZ> that if it had loaded >100%, it won't stop loading 22:37:33 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> savegame size increased while loading? 22:37:42 <SmatZ> :P 22:38:10 <Nite_Owl> I did go back to an earlier auto save and all seemed well again. So it has nothing to do with the Advanced Setting but with the buggy nightly and any game saved under that nightly. 22:38:12 <SmatZ> it's about vehicles loading over 100% 22:38:25 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f720e57.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:38:29 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> ah 22:38:30 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: it's always possible there is another bug :) 22:38:32 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> :) 22:38:38 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> its not a big problem 22:38:42 <SmatZ> yes, it is 22:38:50 <SmatZ> vehicles won't leave the station 22:38:50 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> more peope on the train 22:38:54 <SmatZ> :P 22:39:10 <SmatZ> possibly creating a black hole 22:39:12 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> like +10% standing 22:39:21 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> hehe 22:39:26 <Nite_Owl> Also more cargo on freight which slows trains down to a crawl\ 22:39:41 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> oc you can use a saw and bags to take more passengers too 22:39:56 <SmatZ> :D 22:40:21 <SmatZ> or burn them 22:40:26 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> hm 22:40:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@60.51.82.143] has joined #openttd 22:40:53 <Nite_Owl> So I can change the Advanced Setting as long as I use a save from before the buggy nightly ?? 22:41:01 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> sure, take money before trip, and doesnt even have to transport 22:41:28 <SmatZ> :D 22:41:33 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> but city population will suffer ;>> 22:42:06 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: you should be able to 22:42:23 <SmatZ> but if it says "do NOT change in-game", it has some reason 22:42:28 <SmatZ> like, it won't work at all 22:42:57 <Nite_Owl> There is no warning on the Advanced Setting 22:43:14 <SmatZ> ok 22:43:20 <SmatZ> still, I am not sure if that will work 22:43:30 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> btw 22:43:51 <Nite_Owl> So r21861 was the buggy release ?? 22:44:03 <SmatZ> it was a nightly build 22:44:10 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> if terraforming locking a game, wouldnt it be easy to disable the terraforming palette? 22:44:10 <SmatZ> they are supposed to be unstable 22:44:22 <SmatZ> z-MaTRiX_nonidentified: terraforming palette? 22:44:39 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> in the upper menu 22:44:42 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> the tools 22:44:45 <Nite_Owl> r21861 was yesterday if my folder is correct 22:44:49 <SmatZ> I think it would be confusing 22:45:18 <SmatZ> r21861 has broken vehicle loading 22:45:28 <SmatZ> r21869 should be fine wrt. that 22:45:42 <SmatZ> unless you load a broken savegame 22:45:48 <Nite_Owl> Very good - Thank You 22:45:53 <SmatZ> you are welcome 22:47:29 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086237.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:36 *** thomas is now known as DJNekkid 22:49:08 <Nite_Owl> Is there a way to check which version a save game was created with ?? Console debug or some such thing - my memory fails me. 22:49:31 <SmatZ> Nite_Owl: open console, type "gamelog" 22:49:44 <Nite_Owl> Thanks once again 22:50:22 <SmatZ> :) 22:52:47 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> openttd does not put version number in savegame? 22:53:12 <SmatZ> it does 22:53:45 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> hm so its not plaintext 22:53:56 <SmatZ> savegames are compressed 22:54:02 <SmatZ> else they would be huge 22:54:05 <SmatZ> like, even over 100MB 22:54:08 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> i see 22:54:11 <Wolf01> 'night 22:54:14 <SmatZ> good night Wolf01 22:54:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:54:26 <Nite_Owl> later Wolf01 22:54:31 <Nite_Owl> too late 22:54:34 <SmatZ> :) 22:54:47 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> never too late :) 22:55:11 <z-MaTRiX_nonidentified> eternity 22:59:36 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-76-217.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:01:54 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:05:28 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:17:48 <Nite_Owl> All sorted. Lost a bit of stuff I built last night but nothing that cannot be rebuilt. Such is the price for playing on the cutting edge. 23:19:08 *** KouDy [~KouDy@60.51.82.143] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:19:20 *** DJ_Nekkid [~thomas@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:24 <SmatZ> :) 23:19:41 <Nite_Owl> The rebuilding should be easy if I can remember what it looked like. I know what I want it to do but how I went about doing it is another story. 23:21:32 *** DJ_Nekkid [~thomas@static128-249.mimer.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:35 <fonsinchen> Enough coding style for today. 23:22:38 <fonsinchen> Good night 23:22:38 <Nite_Owl> At least it was not my fiddling about with that Advanced Setting. After a bit of research I am going to need that Advance Setting to make things a bit easier for what I am trying to do. 23:22:45 <SmatZ> night fonsinchen 23:22:48 <Nite_Owl> later fonsinchen 23:23:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc2c86.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:11 <Nite_Owl> I need to feed - later all 23:24:17 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-71-196-90-253.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 23:25:18 *** supermop [~daniel_er@82-69-99-113.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:32:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:16 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-206.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]