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10:18:50 <Rubidium> Alberth: you ought to commit some (doc) bits of it ;) 10:24:29 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:31 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:58:13 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:00:07 <dihedral> hello Alberth, Rubidium, Terkhen ;-) 11:00:20 <Alberth> hi dihedral 11:03:56 *** Adambean [AdamR@83.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:17 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:55 *** ar3k [ident@ecd226.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:34:38 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecp203.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B409.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f051:3f45:7aa:3c07] has joined #openttd 12:10:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:11:41 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:18 <planetmaker> :-P 12:29:21 <planetmaker> hello 12:30:07 <fjb> Moin 12:39:24 <MNIM> 'elleu 12:41:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-113-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:43:01 *** LordAro [56951e1e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:27 <Belugas> hello 12:44:00 *** LordAro [56951e1e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:23 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-113-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:10 <Zuu> Why are airport types > intercontinental shown as buildable to the AI? http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/372/ 13:25:17 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:26:27 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:39:00 *** jonno [~jonno@220.236.48.14] has joined #openttd 13:39:25 <jonno> hey, is there anything I can do about my laptops touchpad being completly impossible to use when openttd is in fullscreen mode (linux) 13:39:52 *** jonno [~jonno@220.236.48.14] has quit [] 13:39:56 <planetmaker> ... 13:40:04 <planetmaker> the youth. soooo impatient 13:40:30 <planetmaker> Zuu, my best guess would be "bug in range check" ;-) 13:41:57 * planetmaker would accept a bug-fix-patch :-P 13:42:45 <Zuu> :-) 13:43:00 <Hirundo> What is the result, if you run that code before the small airport is available? 13:43:30 <Zuu> I would guess that only airport 10-127 are "available". 13:44:14 <planetmaker> Zuu, according to newgrf specs the max. airportID is 128 13:44:15 <Hirundo> If my suspicion about messed-up substitute types is correct, none are "available" 13:44:39 <planetmaker> so, your guess seems right. 13:45:38 <Zuu> by the way, will rotated airports have a new airportId or will each rotaiton still have the same airport ID? 13:45:44 *** jonno [~jonno@220.236.48.14] has joined #openttd 13:45:59 <jonno> dammit, sorry... 13:46:28 <Zuu> I guess, I should use the cheats to build a small rotated airport and see what the API says :-) 13:47:06 <planetmaker> return type >= 0 && type < (AirportType)NUM_AIRPORTS && AirportSpec::Get(type)->enabled; 13:47:21 <planetmaker> NUM_AIRPORTS is the 128 as by specs 13:47:35 <planetmaker> so... AirportSpec::Get(type)->enabled must somehow fail... 13:47:57 <Hirundo> I guess, it returns the enabled-ness of the substitute type (small airport in this case) 13:49:47 <jonno> planetmaker: yeah, didnt mean to dc... any ideas what might be the issue or where in the code to fiddle to fix? 13:49:52 *** jonno is now known as JdGordon 13:50:36 <planetmaker> JdGordon, that depends on the definition of "unusable", I guess 13:51:02 <JdGordon> sensitity is for some reason way too high in full screen, it works fine though in a window 13:51:04 <planetmaker> Did you try to toy with your touchpad's sensitivity 13:52:18 <planetmaker> I've no idea whether that is set differently in full screen when in windowed mode. In the latter case it's probably set your your desktop manager while in the fullscreen case maybe explicity by the SDL settings which OpenTTD brings. Or maybe not 13:52:32 <planetmaker> I've never really looked at the SDL drivers 13:52:52 <planetmaker> src/video/something-with-sdl 13:52:58 <JdGordon> thanks 13:53:00 <planetmaker> is my guess where one could start looking 13:58:50 *** Pikka [~Figgy@d58-111-88-82.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:48 <JdGordon> planetmaker: is SDL used for input? or just video? 14:05:53 <JdGordon> ignore that, found something that might be promising 14:07:04 <planetmaker> JdGordon, it depends. On the system I play, cocoa is used for in and output ;-) 14:07:40 <planetmaker> but on linux... sdl runs often the core input and output 14:08:47 * JdGordon absolutly hates c++ :( 14:08:59 <JdGordon> but ok, yeah sdl is doing mouse so at least im looking in the right place 14:11:41 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:16:30 *** Lord_Aro [56951e1e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:52 *** LordAro is now known as Guest3705 14:16:52 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 14:17:28 *** LordAro [56951e1e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 14:17:32 *** LordAro [56951e1e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:44 <LordAro> afernoonings 14:18:52 <Zuu> planetmaker: Mind that in NoAI you can get info about airports that are not currently buildable. That is what IsAirportInformationAvailable is used for. But IsValidAirportType should only return true on airports that are actually buildable. 14:19:24 <Zuu> The reason for this is that you might want to know the size of an airport that you have built, but is no longer buildable. 14:20:44 <planetmaker> Ah, ok. Well... I guess it should still only return those airports which in principle will become available 14:21:01 <planetmaker> (or were available for that matter) 14:22:35 <planetmaker> I guess they should not be enabled then by default... 14:22:45 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:23:27 <planetmaker> hm.... AirportSpec AirportSpec::dummy = AS_GENERIC(&_airportfta_dummy, NULL, _default_airports_rotation, 0, NULL, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, MIN_YEAR, MIN_YEAR, ATP_TTDP_LARGE, APC_BEGIN, STR_NULL, 0, false); 14:26:21 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:50 <LordAro> Alberth: just looked at the logs, and realised that i logged on this morning :) - it was actually the laptop coming out of sleep mode, so i'm afraid i wasn't there :) 14:29:12 <Alberth> how useful 14:29:35 <planetmaker> as long as you have the logs of that, it's ok 14:29:42 <LordAro> not my fault, i blame parental controls >.< 14:29:50 * LordAro grumbles 14:30:00 <planetmaker> parental control o_O 14:31:13 <LordAro> tell me about it... 14:32:27 <LordAro> anyway: Alberth: no, i did not get too much feedback from ru bidium, more please! :) (regarding function running on each tick to start with, methinks) 14:34:42 * JdGordon gives up and stays in windowed mode 14:34:44 *** JdGordon [~jonno@220.236.48.14] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:36:11 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 14:38:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:38:49 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@195-240-99-235.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:14 <Zuu> planetmaker: It does make sense that airport IDs of airport types that never will become buildable as well could be invalid for IsAirportInformationAvailable. Especially if there are no information available for these undefined airport types. 14:41:18 <Zuu> CluelessPlus has just succeded to create its first air connection, but for some resaon it has decided to close it down :-D 14:43:27 <LordAro> is there a forum thread for 1.1.2-RC1? 14:43:44 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 14:43:48 <planetmaker> hm, no. I forgot to post it in forums 14:44:26 <planetmaker> I should do that ;-) 14:44:37 <LordAro> :) 14:45:16 <LordAro> sorry about Guest3705 btw, i can't do anything about it atm :L 14:45:31 <planetmaker> there you go ;-) 14:45:57 <LordAro> c&p job? :P 14:46:16 <planetmaker> 100% c&p, yes ;-) 14:46:36 <planetmaker> Except for link formatting that's not too uncommon 14:47:37 <planetmaker> Zuu, now I don't understand anymore what you want :-) So it's ok after all to report airports 10 ... 127 available? 14:47:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:47:56 <planetmaker> I don't really think, as they're simply undefined really. Or dummy airports 14:48:23 <planetmaker> but nice to hear that CluelessPlus now starts to know something about air routes, too ;-) 14:48:28 <Zuu> If they are not defined, 10..127 should be reported "false" by both functions. 14:48:58 <Zuu> Only if there is a definition of the airport, information is available. :-) 14:49:03 <planetmaker> Good to have your ambitions getting started ;-) 14:49:12 <planetmaker> ok :-) Then we agree 14:49:42 <planetmaker> any somehow defined airport, whether it'll become available or not: report. Any dummy airport: don't report 14:49:47 <planetmaker> dummy = undefined 14:50:20 <planetmaker> but... I guess that could use an FS entry as well. I won't have time to look at it today most probably 14:50:37 <planetmaker> and if you knew how well my memory works.. .:-P 14:51:38 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 14:51:48 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [] 14:53:12 <LordAro> how's this for a string splitting method? http://afome.com/splitMethod.php 14:55:10 <Alberth> why not look at DrawStringMultiLine() does it? 14:55:42 <LordAro> no idea :) 14:55:47 <Alberth> that handles all the weird cases that openttd has, by definition 14:56:03 <LordAro> i'm using that already though 14:56:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B409.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 14:56:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B409.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:52 <Alberth> yeah, but it does not do what you want right? so look at it how it works, make a copy, and adapt to what you want to have 14:57:18 <LordAro> but what do i want to have? 14:57:20 <LordAro> :) 14:58:00 <Alberth> the imho other big thing is that loading a file each time you draw the widget is not nice, you should do that in another function, and the drawwidget function should use the results of that new function 14:58:14 <Alberth> LordAro: what can I choose between? 14:59:37 <LordAro> i've got confused.. 15:00:03 <Alberth> about? 15:00:42 <planetmaker> life, the universe and everything? 15:00:46 <LordAro> about what's been said :3 forget the drawstring thing for now, concentrate on the drawwidget 15:00:51 <LordAro> planetmaker: :) 15:01:09 <Alberth> they are two independent things 15:01:35 <Alberth> (notice the word "other"? :) ) 15:02:14 <LordAro> ok, but how would i get the result of that function into drawwidget without calling it everytime drawwidget is run? 15:02:37 <planetmaker> I'd just cache the whole text file 15:02:38 <Alberth> a new variable ! 15:03:01 <planetmaker> with its original strings, nothing re-wrapped or re-formatted 15:04:04 <Alberth> lines 237 to 245 do exactly the same each time 15:04:14 <LordAro> another variable in the declaration/definition of NewGRFReadmeWindow? 15:04:21 <Alberth> (as long as you don't change the readme file) 15:04:27 <Alberth> yep 15:04:42 <Alberth> containing what 'text' contains now 15:04:47 <planetmaker> well. changing the readme file requires that reload_newgrfs is being used. 15:04:47 <LordAro> ok, that's..doable 15:04:52 <Alberth> (at line 245) 15:06:13 <LordAro> so a new function basically containing (from the openttdcoop paste from yesterday) lines 237-245? 15:06:50 <Alberth> except line 237 is not needed as you use the new variable for that, I guess 15:07:31 <LordAro> obviously, yes :) 15:08:32 <Alberth> and you cannot just do 'return', the new function always needs to set a good value in the new variable, since DrawWidget() will just take that data and use it 15:09:11 <Alberth> obviously, a 'good' value can be NULL, as long as DrawWidget() handles that value correctly too 15:09:27 <LordAro> so a void function, that sets a variable at the end of it 15:09:58 <Alberth> not necessarily at the end, but yes. 15:12:39 <LordAro> what about the fclose() and free() ? should they be somewhere else? 15:13:21 <glx> fclose in the loading function 15:13:21 <Alberth> yes 15:13:44 <glx> free where it's needed :) 15:13:54 <Alberth> LordAro: think about when you don't need 'readme' respectively 'text' any more 15:15:21 <Alberth> afk for dinner 15:20:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-84.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:27:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:35 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:52:22 *** lugo [lugo@89.238.177.145] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:52:54 *** TheMask96- [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:53 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:04 *** Adambean [AdamR@83.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 16:09:34 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-84.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:12:17 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:14:38 *** welshdragon [~dragon@anubis.millsie.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:17:32 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:45 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 16:27:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4142.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:53:11 <Zuu> So clever, CluelessPlus built heliports and then destroyed them because they had no hangars :-D 16:54:11 <LordAro> :) 16:54:33 *** TheMask97- [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:09 *** TheMask96- [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:01 <Zuu> Hmm, the API does not let me select airport types that have at least one runway or in some other way sort out the helistation etc. 16:57:11 <Zuu> Other than using a list of hardcoded airports. 16:58:04 <LordAro> They will no doubt come with NewAirports 16:59:32 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:32 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@95-89-104-26-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:59:39 <IchGuckLive> Hi all 17:00:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:07 <LordAro> hello there 17:01:24 <IchGuckLive> the wiki pages are so old 17:01:37 <LordAro> update them then ;) 17:02:10 <IchGuckLive> my english is not good enoph 17:02:24 <LordAro> examples of outdated pages then? 17:02:40 <IchGuckLive> i found today a vid on youtube that realy impressed me so i will decide to give 1.1.2 a chance 17:03:12 <IchGuckLive> LordAro: http://wiki.openttd.org/Recent_and_Current_Developments 17:04:13 <LordAro> generally, all the 'what the developers are going to do next' pages are out of date 17:04:38 <LordAro> in fact, that one should probably be deleted, as it really isn't needed 17:04:41 <Ammler> IchGuckLive: there is a German wiki too 17:04:53 <IchGuckLive> Ammler: thank 17:05:01 <Ammler> oh no, there isn't, just translation 17:05:33 <IchGuckLive> im on ubuntu 10.04 anmd i think i got 0.6 last playd 17:05:57 *** TheMask97- [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:12 <IchGuckLive> the vid i saw had realy impressive trees and buses also good trucks 17:06:28 <IchGuckLive> 32bit is this a specel version ? 17:06:32 <LordAro> sounds like the 32bpp project 17:06:41 <LordAro> yes, the extra zoom anyway 17:06:56 *** Juo [~Juo@87-194-64-202.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Juo] 17:07:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:57 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.75.206] has joined #openttd 17:11:31 <Alberth> IchGuckLive: just 32bpp can be used with standard openttd, the extra zoom version is a special version 17:11:37 <IchGuckLive> so im still searching how to install on Ubuntu 10.04 17:11:55 <IchGuckLive> 32bit 17:11:56 <LordAro> extra zoom or not? 17:12:06 <IchGuckLive> extra zoom 17:12:21 <IchGuckLive> is there also the 1.1.2 rc1 for this 17:12:47 <LordAro> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez/LATEST/ 17:12:53 <LordAro> no, as its a patch 17:13:59 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:05 <IchGuckLive> so better to go with the standard 1.1.2 as im familar to the scenes 17:14:16 <LordAro> good idea 17:14:36 <IchGuckLive> or is it the same as the 0.5 17:14:39 <LordAro> although if you're upgrading from 0.6, there will be HUGE changes :) 17:14:50 <IchGuckLive> oh 17:14:54 <IchGuckLive> O.O 17:15:05 <LordAro> good changes though 17:15:34 <IchGuckLive> i try is there also a page for the 1.1.2 rc1 17:15:57 <LordAro> though you shouldn't keep outdated software, you should upgrade anyway 17:15:59 *** TheMask96- [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:16:28 <IchGuckLive> so just synaptic ? 17:16:41 <LordAro> yes 17:17:10 <IchGuckLive> Thanks 17:17:31 <LordAro> although that won't be the most up-to-date version of openttd, but it will be the most up-to-date .deb 17:17:49 <LordAro> personally, i just use a tar archive 17:17:58 <LordAro> (don't use synaptic at all) 17:18:12 <IchGuckLive> 105rc1 17:18:47 <IchGuckLive> try to find the ppa 17:18:54 <LordAro> you probably have to update ubuntu to get a newer version (simply) 17:19:30 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: tparker, SirSquidness, DabuYu, Eddi|zuHause, @Belugas, @orudge, jonty-comp, PierreW, tty234, dotwaffle, (+24 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 17:19:48 <LordAro> ahhh! 17:19:59 <IchGuckLive> i did but there is no one so i will use your advise just tar archive 17:20:12 *** Netsplit over, joins: tty234, SirSquidness, Westie, ezra, Andel, dotwaffle, confound, Maarten_, AD, bryjen (+8 more) 17:20:42 <LordAro> i suggest you put it in your home folder, e.g. ~/Openttd 17:20:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v Alberth] by ChanServ 17:20:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v Terkhen] by ChanServ 17:20:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 17:22:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B734D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:28 *** Blacklite [~Blacklite@76.10.223.136] has joined #openttd 17:22:28 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:28 *** scn [~lkarsten@yankee.samfundet.no] has joined #openttd 17:22:28 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@cia.atheme.org] has joined #openttd 17:22:28 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 17:22:28 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+o orudge] by larich.oftc.net 17:22:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 17:24:08 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:08 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 17:24:08 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 17:24:08 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:24:08 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 17:24:08 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.189] has joined #openttd 17:24:08 *** ThaAmazonous [~ThaAmazon@ks311191.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:08 *** PierreW [sbnc@bnc.peterbox.net] has joined #openttd 17:24:08 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:08 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by graviton.oftc.net 17:24:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 17:24:46 <IchGuckLive> still searching for the right packets 17:25:32 <LordAro> http://binaries.openttd.org/binaries/releases/1.1.2-RC1/index.html 17:25:52 <IchGuckLive> B) 17:26:33 <LordAro> replace '1.1.2-RC1' in the url with '1.1.1' if you want the latest stable version 17:26:47 <IchGuckLive> got it thanks 17:27:01 <IchGuckLive> do i need to update the open gfx also 17:27:14 <LordAro> quite possibly 17:28:03 <IchGuckLive> ther are lots of downloads available 17:28:23 <LordAro> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-opengfx <-- put in ~/.openttd/data directory 17:28:59 <IchGuckLive> opentddplus what is this 17:29:20 <LordAro> it doesn't work anymore (too old) 17:29:28 <IchGuckLive> ok 17:29:29 <LordAro> but it is a grf with some extra vehicles 17:29:35 <LordAro> (IIRC) 17:30:28 <IchGuckLive> Thanks will now start the game 17:30:42 <IchGuckLive> is there a Key layout for the new GUI 17:30:58 <LordAro> key layout? i don't think so 17:31:35 <IchGuckLive> i will find out 17:32:21 <LordAro> almost certainly ;) 17:40:56 <IchGuckLive> nice trees and good graphics now 17:41:17 <LordAro> opengfx? 17:41:48 <Zuu> There is a list of hotkeys on the wiki if that is what you were looking for 17:42:28 <Zuu> If you want to change any of those or add more hotkeys, you have to tweak your hotkeys.cfg (possible found as ~/.openttd/hotkeys.cfg) 17:43:11 <IchGuckLive> thanks same statrgie as it wars first kole to get the money up 17:43:39 <LordAro> the game is still openttd, it hasn't changed that much ;) 17:43:45 <IchGuckLive> or work to the list of most produktiv and wait for subvention 17:44:10 *** Polygon [~Poly@p5794B62C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:47 <IchGuckLive> ok thanks and by 17:44:55 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@95-89-104-26-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.18/20110628230241]] 17:44:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:45:05 <LordAro> that was fun 17:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22689 /trunk/src/lang/ (belarusian.txt hungarian.txt russian.txt): 17:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 1 changes by KorneySan 17:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 6 changes by IPG 17:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by KorneySan 17:50:50 <LordAro> lol, mandriva is up to r691787 target? :P 17:51:48 *** TheMask96- [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:05 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:38 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.75.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:50 <Zuu> I can report that the 180degree rotated airport has airport type == 10. 17:58:28 <Zuu> (was evil and replaced an airport of CluelessPlus to see how fast it would crash :-p) 18:00:02 <Zuu> It turned out that my holding pattern code decided that the airport was invalid :-) 18:01:54 <Hirundo> rotated airport is newgrf-defined, so it gets the first ID available to newgrfs 18:02:06 <Hirundo> therefore ID == 10 makes sense, other rotations should have that ID also 18:03:43 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.75.206] has joined #openttd 18:05:00 *** Polygon [~Poly@p5794B62C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:36 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db193db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:08:08 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 18:09:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-84.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:10:59 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-84.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [] 18:15:58 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.75.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:25 <Zuu> Hmm, if each rotation make use of an ID, then the 117 IDs for NewGRF airports will be used quicker than if all rotations of the same airprot had the same. 18:22:54 <frosch123> airports have views 18:24:16 <Zuu> It would make sense to have a concept of several views/rotations per airpot type as the performance of each rotation should really be the same. 18:24:46 <frosch123> it is like that 18:25:17 <Zuu> In the NoAI API the rotated small airport gets another airport type than the normal small airport. 18:26:05 <Zuu> small airport == 0. rotated small airpot == 10 18:26:45 <planetmaker> hm, only the rotated or also the un-rotated, re-defined small airport? 18:27:29 <planetmaker> but each rotation being a separate ID is... IMHO not how it is intended. Or at least I'd not expect it that way 18:28:51 <planetmaker> Zuu: does the normal rotation of the rotatable airport not have ID=10 as well? 18:29:10 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:29:40 <frosch123> Zuu: i don't get it. to me it looks as if ais cannot build alternative layouts at all 18:30:37 <Zuu> planetmaker: Nope, it is available as usal as AIAirport.AT_SMALL. So unless that constant changes by the NewGRF, no it stays at id 0. 18:30:50 <planetmaker> from ogfx+airport's source code the small airport it defines should override the default small airport. But override in that context means 'disable old and obtain new ID' 18:30:53 <Zuu> frosch123: Nope, they can't but you can give them one via cheats. 18:31:25 <planetmaker> unless I'm mistaken of course ;-) 18:31:44 <frosch123> Zuu: i would assume that only the default airport has id 0 18:31:45 <Zuu> If the small airport wouldn't be available at AT_SMALL ( == 0), then most AIs would break. 18:31:59 <frosch123> the grf defines may have id 10, independent of being rotated or not 18:32:58 <planetmaker> the NML code doesn't specify a specific ID, thus it wants the first available 18:33:23 <planetmaker> Zuu: yes, that's why it's overridden 18:33:36 <planetmaker> thus requests for id=0 are re-directed to the new ID 18:34:07 <Zuu> Just tried to print the value of AIAirport.AT_SMALL while having the Airports+ NewGRF loaded and it shows zero. 18:34:10 *** TheMask97- [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:08 <Hirundo> I'd file a bug-report and wait for Yexo to return from holidays, as he knows most about both the AI and newgrf airports 18:35:09 <Zuu> oh, didn't knew that there was a re-direction of 0 => 10. 18:35:33 <frosch123> to me it looks like the api is not ready for new airports at all :p 18:35:38 <Zuu> That said, my code would break if the API would report a small airport as id != 0. 18:35:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:54 <LordAro> frosch123: i agree. until newairports is finished, there will obviously be some problems 18:38:19 <Zuu> I think that as far as the API don't let AIs build the NewGRF airports and the constants for the built in airports still work, the API can be as it is until someone decides to implement support for NewAirports. 18:39:09 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:33 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:58 <Zuu> Apart from handling views etc. the API will need a way to get the amount of airplanes in holding (queue) and some way of judging the performance of airports. It will also need a way to tell heliports apart from regular airports. etc. etc. :-) 18:40:41 <frosch123> you would also need some list of airports 18:40:52 <frosch123> *list of airporttypes 18:41:42 <Zuu> A list can already be obtained as you know the highest allowed ID and can check each ID if it is valid or not. Although, a built in function to create a list would certainly be welcome. 18:45:23 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:37 *** TheMask97- [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:15 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:50:22 *** TheMask97- [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:51:29 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:42 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:31 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:17 <Rubidium> is there any MSVC guru here? If so, do you know (by heart) whether static libraries created with MSVC2010 will be linkable by MSVC2005? And if so, does it link? 19:14:02 *** TheMask97- [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-20-129.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:26:06 *** seandasheep [~seandashe@85.211.204.194] has joined #openttd 19:28:46 <michi_cc> Rubidium: Depends on which library functions they're using I guess. Pure C will probably work, but C++ might very well not. 19:29:39 <Rubidium> it's icu 19:29:58 <Rubidium> 4.8 only has 2010 project files, which is a pita 19:30:57 <Rubidium> previously it had a 2008 project file that was trivially converted into 2005, but that's not possible anymore :( 19:32:03 <michi_cc> ICU does include C++ parts, but I don't know if it calls stuff from the c++ library that could have changed from 2005 to 2010. 19:32:58 <Rubidium> so a 'possibly it works, possibly it doesn't 19:33:04 <michi_cc> One thing that will definitely fail is a full 2010 debug build (with enabled stack checking and the other runtime debug checks), but a properly configured release build should have all that turned off. 19:33:41 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:33:56 <Rubidium> enough for me to not waste hours on it trying to update icu 4.4 to 4.8 for openttd-useuful.zip 19:35:00 <Rubidium> oh, and did I ever mention MSVC annoys me saying "ready" when it's still very busy performing compilation? 19:40:38 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:41:28 *** douknoukem [~KEM@88.227.74.208] has joined #openttd 19:52:43 <glx> IIRC we used 2005 19:58:24 *** TheMask96- [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:59:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:59:27 <andythenorth> evenink 20:00:25 * andythenorth has a new router 20:00:42 <andythenorth> which shipped with a full pack of rage :x 20:01:03 <MNIM> i know the feeling 20:01:40 <planetmaker> Zuu: the CluelessPlus update sounds great :-) 20:01:55 <planetmaker> and IMHO it's quite ok, if air services mostly targets passenger transport 20:01:56 <andythenorth> *why* would cisco ship a new router with (a) wifi password already enabled so their installer can't connect to it (b) admin password changed from their default (c) neither password included in the box? 20:02:11 <andythenorth> (d) web chat support that uses a java app that doesn't work 20:02:14 * andythenorth grumps 20:02:23 <planetmaker> :-P 20:02:27 * planetmaker hugs andythenorth 20:02:37 <planetmaker> the answer is simple of course: because they can 20:02:42 <__ln__> andythenorth: we all know that java works on all platforms, so your story must be fiction 20:03:01 <andythenorth> I wonder if amazon have sold me a pre-loved router boxed up and sold as new 20:03:08 <andythenorth> why else would passwords be set already? 20:03:23 <andythenorth> ach a vie 20:03:45 <Twerkhoven[L]> try resetting to factory settings? 20:03:53 <andythenorth> done that 20:04:01 <andythenorth> that's why I am now joining you here :) 20:04:01 *** TheMask97- [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:04:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:04:35 <andythenorth> anyway, 802.1n dual band, mimo. Hopefully I'll drop out of irc less :P 20:04:46 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-84.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:04:50 <Twerkhoven[L]> nice 20:04:55 * planetmaker now slows down machine for probably two hours... sudo asr -source /Volumes/MacOS -target /Volumes/backup ;-) 20:05:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:09 <planetmaker> 500GB over USB take some time :-P 20:05:15 <andythenorth> FW ftw 20:05:56 <andythenorth> USB 2 remains remarkably slower than FW for most cases 20:06:06 <andythenorth> despite nominally faster speeds 20:06:13 <andythenorth> it's about 1/8 - 1/10 as fast when I tested 20:06:17 <planetmaker> well... I don't have any FW HDD 20:06:38 <planetmaker> but that speed difference does not apply - at least to the one FW hdd I once had 20:06:38 <andythenorth> :( 20:06:53 <planetmaker> and... FW is anyway bound to die 20:07:20 <planetmaker> and normally I'm fine with this machine's USB speed 20:07:33 <planetmaker> it even works quite ok when I run the system from an external HDD 20:08:03 <planetmaker> but 500GB take their time, no matter what ;-) 20:09:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:09:36 <planetmaker> but I need a 1:1 image before I update either HDD to lion 20:09:44 <planetmaker> I guess I'll update the external one 20:10:11 <Zuu> planetmaker: Thanks. It does indeed from an IRL point of view make most sense to use air for passengers, but an AI can't really trust too many assumptions ;-) 20:10:49 *** TheMask96- [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:50 <planetmaker> Zuu: sure it can't. But I'm not sure that planes make much sense for most other cargos. 20:11:00 <planetmaker> nearly no-matter-what ;-) 20:11:16 <planetmaker> except maybe in a Berlin airlift scenario. Where you then need planes which also carry coal 20:11:19 <andythenorth> planetmaker: you know you lose all PPC apps with Lion? 20:11:26 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I do 20:11:31 <andythenorth> k 20:11:33 <planetmaker> but I don't have any ;-) 20:11:51 <planetmaker> after all my first OSX was already 10.4... 20:12:05 <__ln__> so was mine, but it's all PPC. 20:12:10 <planetmaker> :-) 20:12:28 <planetmaker> yeah... 10.4 is the transitional one 20:12:41 <planetmaker> and 10.5 and 10.6 have still rosetta. Which they now scrapped 20:13:14 <__ln__> let's not forget 10.5 still ran natively on PPC, too. 20:13:24 <planetmaker> obviously along with some other support e.g. for openttd's current implementation of the full screen code 20:13:32 <andythenorth> fricking apple and their lack of legacy support :P 20:13:53 * andythenorth rethinks the importance of legacy support 20:13:56 <planetmaker> they're not that great with that... 20:14:00 <__ln__> the current implementation of fullscreen is evil in any case, it should be replaced :/ 20:14:18 <planetmaker> __ln__: well, so it needs to be now anyway 20:14:27 *** TheMask97- [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:14 <__ln__> planetmaker: as far as i understand, the windowed mode doesn't need a lot of changes to be used as full screen mode. 20:15:51 <planetmaker> that's my understanding, too; yes 20:16:23 <planetmaker> but I won't start looking into it before I can't run 10.7 ;-) 20:19:09 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:22:03 <planetmaker> maybe you could start providing patches in that area, though, __ln__ ;-) 20:24:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:24:20 <__ln__> i once started looking at it, but then something else caught my attention. 20:24:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:32 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4D38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:05 <__ln__> and my ibook is miserably slow for compiling, although for most other things it's still fast enough. 20:26:06 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.86.77] has joined #openttd 20:29:05 <frosch123> oh, forums are down 20:29:15 <frosch123> so, wiki is down :/ 20:29:20 <andythenorth> not for me 20:30:01 <frosch123> yeah, it's just me :/ 20:34:00 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop_] 20:42:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4142.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:41 *** LordAro [56951e1e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:45:49 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:49:27 * andythenorth ponders 20:49:47 <andythenorth> I have improved a ship 20:50:03 <andythenorth> and feedback is useful 20:50:23 <andythenorth> mostly the forums have only produced rage recently though :P 20:51:42 <Hirundo> pics or it didn't happen :) 20:54:06 <andythenorth> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/fish/raw-file/4979f291e428/sprites/graphics/canal_boat_1.png 20:54:57 * Hirundo grabs a magnifying glass 20:56:35 <andythenorth> :P 20:57:39 <Hirundo> to me, the nose appears more pointy in the /\ views and blunt in the | view 20:57:47 <andythenorth> it probably is :) 20:58:08 <Hirundo> though arguably, the number of pixels to play with is extremely limited 20:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i agree with this 20:58:17 <andythenorth> I am too lazy to fix it 20:58:35 <andythenorth> :) 20:58:36 <Hirundo> I wouldn't notice, unless (like now) I'm looking at the views zoomed-in and side by side 20:58:41 <andythenorth> yup 20:58:48 <andythenorth> mostly people won't look that closely 20:59:59 <andythenorth> I'll probably improve it after I start using it in game 21:00:26 <Hirundo> same applies to the stern, albeit to a lesser extent 21:00:35 *** DOUK [~KEM@88.227.74.208] has joined #openttd 21:01:48 <Hirundo> that's about the only thing I can find to nitpick about, it looks good as always :) 21:02:41 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest3761 21:02:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 <andythenorth> I was concerned about use of cc / white colour 21:03:37 <andythenorth> not sure it looks good 21:03:51 <andythenorth> as overall combination 21:05:40 <Hirundo> the yellow line could become CC, not sure how that'd fit with other ships though 21:07:03 *** douknoukem [~KEM@88.227.74.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:05 <andythenorth> there is some variation already 21:08:14 <andythenorth> it's (mostly) whatever looks good 21:08:33 *** Guest3761 [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> grr... i'm this |<->| close to stop reading the german forum... 21:09:31 <andythenorth> well that leaves - 21:09:36 <andythenorth> so a bit left to go 21:12:01 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: that would reduce the flow of quality technical answers there by at least 50% 21:12:21 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes i'm thinking 80%... 21:12:52 <peter1138> arrr 21:13:22 <andythenorth> I am |<--------------------->| close to stop reading uk forum 21:13:28 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes, maybe also 80% 21:13:44 <andythenorth> 90% of my visits to 'suggestions' result in rage 21:14:11 <planetmaker> well, don't visit that. Or read it with an attitude you'd read non sequitur or dilbert 21:14:48 <andythenorth> well when your tooth hurts, you keep poking it no? 21:17:28 <seandasheep> i think i might have found a bug in multiplayer... 21:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause> please tell. 21:17:50 <MNIM> hmmmh, andy. it's a bit small to make lots of details on. 21:18:10 <MNIM> what's this intended to be for a ship, a narrowboat? 21:18:28 <seandasheep> increasing the net frame frequency to around 40, then quickly giving a train orders will put them in a different order 21:19:19 <MNIM> don't blame that on ottd, blame that on your connection. 21:19:43 <MNIM> it's quite possible your 'next order' packages are not arriving in the same order you sent 'em 21:20:03 <seandasheep> but this is on a game with no other players 21:20:12 <andythenorth> MNIM: http://www.severn-boating.co.uk/ryal.htm 21:20:17 <andythenorth> http://www.gloucesterdocks.me.uk/studies/aggregate.htm 21:20:38 <andythenorth> http://www.torbayseaways.co.uk/20.html 21:21:31 <Eddi|zuHause> seandasheep: http://bugs.openttd.org/ with a detailed description of steps how to reproduce 21:21:54 <MNIM> ah. interesting. gonna be adding a push barge? 21:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause> seandasheep: also, which version? 21:22:26 <seandasheep> will do that now, and in testing, 1.1.2 RC1 21:23:46 <andythenorth> MNIM: probably not 21:23:52 <planetmaker> seandasheep: what do you mean with "will put them in a different order"? 21:23:56 <andythenorth> although it's a fair suggestion 21:24:48 <seandasheep> renaming stations 1,2,3,4, then quickly ordering them, the actual orderlist shows 2,1,4,3 21:25:01 <seandasheep> like it's stacking orders rather than queueing them 21:26:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:26:35 *** DOUK [~KEM@88.227.74.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:48 * andythenorth -> bed 21:29:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:31:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6AC39.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:32:34 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:48 *** TheMask96- [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:33:10 <seandasheep> hmm, i can't login to flyspray, i don't think i've had an account on it before... 21:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not related to the forum account 21:37:14 <seandasheep> yeh, although seandasheep was taken as a name, and it doesn't match my email address when reseeting the password, how long does an activation email take to send? 21:37:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B47D.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:01 <planetmaker> should be usually quite fast 21:38:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:54 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-84.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:39:13 <seandasheep> hmm, my username doesn't have any validation pending.. :S 21:44:51 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:45:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:49:19 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-003-022.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:18 *** TheMask96- [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:34 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:01:26 <seandasheep> ok, seeing as i can't login to the bugtracker, steps to reproduce are: First, start a multiplayer server, then change network.frame_freq to 40 via the console, next line up some stations and rename them to numbers, enable quick creation of orders, buy a vehicle and quickly assign the vehicles orders, making sure you click the stations in order, then the orderlist will probablynot be in order 22:01:26 <seandasheep> if done fast enough 22:01:36 *** bfrog [~tburdick@li137-239.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:15 <bfrog> is there a easy way to setup a server like luukland's citybuilder servers? 22:02:34 <planetmaker> no 22:02:36 <bfrog> I love those how they're setup but I hate how the connection seems to drop all the time 22:02:46 <planetmaker> they're patched with unpublished patches 22:02:57 <bfrog> :-( 22:03:05 <planetmaker> and the connection drop might well be caused by a low patch quality 22:03:21 <bfrog> they're popular servers though, with the citybuilder stuff 22:03:22 <planetmaker> they just fake to be the version they claim to be 22:03:30 <planetmaker> they are 22:03:32 <bfrog> gotcha 22:03:40 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-26-67-178.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:03:43 <planetmaker> but they don't like to share ;-) 22:03:53 <bfrog> I guess they like being popular then :-) 22:04:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-20-129.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:35 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 22:04:36 <planetmaker> maybe. Let them be 22:05:02 <planetmaker> though you can in principle do quite a few things already, if you utilize the admin port properly 22:05:07 <planetmaker> Noone does that so far, though 22:05:57 <planetmaker> There exist a few libraries (python or java) which give you an interface to it 22:06:07 <planetmaker> by which you could connect an admin bot there 22:06:44 <planetmaker> doing that, might be a good first step for server control 22:07:05 <planetmaker> as a next step... one could think of additional things such server could need - and possibly expose them there, too 22:07:22 <bfrog> yeah 22:08:05 <planetmaker> you're aware of the two admin interface libraries? 22:09:06 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/joan 22:09:35 <planetmaker> https://bitbucket.org/Xaroth/libottdadmin/overview 22:12:51 *** alfplayer [~quassel@190.193.147.40] has joined #openttd 22:12:51 *** alfplayer [~quassel@190.193.147.40] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 22:13:52 <planetmaker> !players 22:13:53 *** planetmaker was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 22:13:53 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:13:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 22:14:03 <planetmaker> :-D 22:14:04 <Eddi|zuHause> test succeeded 22:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11122304/demotivational-posters-history.jpg 22:14:16 <planetmaker> quite 22:14:35 <planetmaker> lol :-) good one 22:15:08 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: The Third Tiberium War - http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-third-tiberium-war] 22:22:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-67-178.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:09 <planetmaker> good night 22:28:59 *** seandasheep [~seandashe@85.211.204.194] has quit [] 22:36:51 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e090e25.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:41:34 <__ln__> hah, that needs to be re-pasted when Wolf01 shows up 22:48:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:58:36 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db193db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 23:09:18 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 23:11:02 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:32:54 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4D38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 23:56:13 *** SystemParadox [~simon@proxima.systemparadox.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B409.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]