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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:22:38 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.129.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:40:56 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.73.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:41 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.73.222] has joined #openttd 01:55:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DDD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 02:02:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A61F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:10:58 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 02:39:26 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d47b:3939:465:839d] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:52:00 <Rhamphoryncus> rtyler: hold ctrl when clicking clone 02:52:33 <Rhamphoryncus> rtyler: you can also take an existing vehicle, activate the add new order, and ctrl-click on another vehicle. That'll make them share 03:01:25 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.23.92.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 03:15:44 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:25:47 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.23.92.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:53:25 *** maoranma [~maoranma@68-242-244-184.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [] 03:54:27 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 04:08:35 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 04:08:36 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:34:29 *** ElusiveParticle [b89e1566@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 04:34:44 <ElusiveParticle> Excuse me. But would you please visit my website? www.elusiveparticle.tk Thank you so much! 04:35:03 *** ElusiveParticle [b89e1566@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 04:50:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67BA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:50:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC671FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:10:36 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:10:45 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has joined #openttd 05:30:26 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:32:34 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:41:01 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has joined #openttd 05:44:41 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:37 <NGC3982> morning :) 06:10:52 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@175.137.99.36] has joined #openttd 06:11:37 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:11:55 <Alberth> moin 06:15:13 <NGC3982> whats up 06:15:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@175.137.102.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 06:18:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DDD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:34 <Alberth> it's a new day 06:22:20 <Terkhen> good morning 06:23:06 <telanus> hi 06:25:36 <NGC3982> Alberth: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg 06:25:37 <NGC3982> ;) 06:26:08 *** cypher [~Miranda@wced-84-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 06:26:22 <Alberth> nah, it's not :) 06:27:23 <Alberth> does anyone know a function to escape arbitrary unicode for html in python? 06:28:00 <Alberth> ie to prevent it being interpreted as html-tags 06:30:56 <Alberth> oh, cgi.esape seems to do the trick :) 06:33:39 *** Zeknurn` [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 06:37:45 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:38:35 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.31.152] has joined #openttd 06:40:41 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-7.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 06:50:54 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.129.188] has joined #openttd 06:55:38 *** cypher [~Miranda@wced-84-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:03:01 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-7.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:03:08 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-7.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 07:04:44 *** Zeknurn` [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05:26 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:18 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:21:00 <dihedral> greetings 07:24:01 <Alberth> o/ 07:38:46 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:57 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:44:04 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:49:29 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 07:52:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 07:55:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 07:55:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 07:55:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 08:06:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:10:55 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-057-203.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:12:29 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-29-155.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:12:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 08:18:16 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-39-238.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:27:10 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:27:57 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:08 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-231.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 08:38:41 <NGC3982> what is the main language behind openttd? python? 08:39:07 <__ln__> dutch 08:39:12 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 08:39:16 <NGC3982> ;) 08:41:47 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 08:42:07 <Alberth> ASCII 08:43:32 <Alberth> source code gets written in C++, AI/Scripts in Squirrel, NewGRFs in NFO or NML, websites in HTML. Take your pick :) 08:43:50 <NGC3982> ah, i see. 08:44:00 <NGC3982> well, im trying to read up as much as i can, since i want to create my first own grf. 08:44:18 <NGC3982> im complete with the idea (as simple as it can be), and i just need to start the actual creating, i guess. 08:44:26 <Alberth> nice, what do you want to make? 08:45:10 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:45:10 * telanus wonder if a Kilngon Translation of openttd would be possible (or Drow) 08:45:15 <NGC3982> a modification of the standard industries of the temperate climate, where i can directly stimulate the raw material industry output with passengers. 08:45:37 <Alberth> telanus: sure, just translate 4000 strings or so :) 08:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> telanus: as long as you have a font containing the unicode-points, and invest the time in doing it... 08:46:08 <NGC3982> that is the first one ill start with, and after that i wish to make citys produce "workers" (similar to "tourists" in ECS), that will stimulate the industries. 08:46:16 <NGC3982> but the second one will have to wait 08:46:31 <NGC3982> since i need to get my head around coding and get things to actually work at first. 08:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: nml is the choice for your project then 08:46:49 <NGC3982> ok 08:46:53 <Terkhen> for any modification of the standard industries I suggest checking the NML tutorial ( http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NMLTutorial ) and the source code for OpenGFX+ Industries ( http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries ) 08:47:12 <NGC3982> ok 08:47:13 <NGC3982> thank you. 08:48:23 <NGC3982> the thing is, i guess ill start with getting familiar with the software, and then take a look at how other grfs stimulates growth with passengers/material 08:50:33 <Terkhen> good :) 08:50:34 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has joined #openttd 08:52:14 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 08:53:45 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:00 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:59:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:32 <NGC3982> the wiki page seems to know my feelings pretty well 09:08:33 <NGC3982> "Does the above sound impressive, maybe even threatening to you?" 09:08:44 <NGC3982> made a nervous swallow at that point. 09:10:24 <dihedral> openttd is a sophisticated trojan ;-) 09:11:14 <NGC3982> :D 09:11:32 <NGC3982> although, im very happy with the NML, as seen on the example in the wiki page 09:11:40 <NGC3982> since NFO looks like a god forsaken mess 09:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it makes a lot of sense, if you can think in assembler 09:13:14 <NGC3982> im a few months in learning C#, and i recognize the basics, at least. 09:15:05 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: thinking in hexadecima; numbers already helps :) 09:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i get annoyed by assembler very quickly 09:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> things start to get repetitive and tedious 09:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> which is the point when i start to write a code generator :p 09:16:37 <Alberth> I find assembly language more readable than nfo, tbh, at least you have mnemonics there which give a hint what it is about :) 09:17:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you have escapes in nfo :) 09:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> sto :p 09:18:24 <Alberth> telanus1: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/export/24187/trunk/src/lang/english.txt is your starting point 09:18:37 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-39-209.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:20:20 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-7.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25:51 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.129.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:21 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:57 <NGC3982> if i understand this correctly, OpenGFX+ is a grf contaigning all the usual industries, but with some version changes? 09:31:07 <NGC3982> and that would be the base of my modification, then. 09:33:11 <Alberth> indeed, it mostly changes default industries, unlike FIRS or ECS, which create completely new industries 09:35:18 <NGC3982> ah, i see. perfect. 09:35:57 <NGC3982> making new stuff from scratch is as of the moment a step to big. 09:36:14 <Terkhen> and the changes are not too invasive :) 09:37:52 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:41:28 <NGC3982> knock on wood.. 09:47:49 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:27 <NGC3982> planetmaker: you have a really cool name,. 10:07:29 <NGC3982> ah, there we are 10:07:36 <NGC3982> all i need now is an editor. 10:10:01 * Alberth gives gvim 10:10:38 <Alberth> NGC3982: planetmaker is going to be so happy with your useless highlighting 10:17:56 *** A57872761 [~A57872761@cho94-8-88-178-12-119.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:04 <NGC3982> if such a thing is prohibited in a chat channel, i would be much obliged if that is stated beforehand. 10:19:18 <TinoDidriksen> It's not prohibited. 10:19:48 <Alberth> but only used when you need that person for something 10:20:53 <TinoDidriksen> Yeah, that is the common IRC community guideline. 10:24:38 <|Jeroen|> yeah useless highlighting i a great offence, i hate it when i have to get out of the sofa for no good reason 10:24:57 <NGC3982> one can clearly notice, this channel does not work like the rest. 10:26:16 <TinoDidriksen> I have not so far seen an IRC channel where spurious highlighting was tolerated, and I'm in quite a lot of them across several networks. It's just how IRC works. But a highlight to praise a name is fine... 10:26:57 <NGC3982> i fail to see the the controversy behind hilighting a nick for a personal message. 10:27:03 * Rubidium praises NGC1300 instead ;) 10:27:21 <NGC3982> if he does not approve of it, he better tell me off or state such in the topic. 10:27:46 <NGC3982> Rubidium: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/oh-stop-it-you.png 10:28:13 <TinoDidriksen> I agree that the specific highlight was fine. 10:30:42 <NGC3982> Alberth: can you rekommend gvim? :) 10:31:29 * Alberth nods 10:31:43 <planetmaker> moin :-) 10:31:58 <Alberth> moin planetmaker :) 10:34:55 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has left #openttd [] 10:37:16 <Rubidium> Alberth: it's called cif now ;) 10:39:41 <Alberth> good, they made room for the editor, I see :) 10:41:29 <Alberth> Hmm, annotating an utf-8 file with BOM bombs out, as the moves to behind the revision number :p 10:41:44 <Alberth> s/the/the BOM/ 10:42:43 *** George is now known as Guest25 10:42:47 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 10:44:15 <rails> hm 10:44:35 <rails> is there like, a recommendes spec for an openttd dedicated server? 10:46:07 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:47:11 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:47:43 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 10:48:05 *** Guest25 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:20 *** krinn [~krinn@80.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:59 <krinn> hi, i can't get my console login with -d ai=5 in openttd 1.2 ? I suppose the function isn't remove, but has change, to what please ? 10:50:14 <NGC3982> Alberth: im sorry, this might not be related to you (or openttd at all), but do you know if i need something else then gvim to open the grf file (ogfx-industries.grf)? 10:50:37 <NGC3982> when i open it (without any settings) in gvim, i just get alot of jibberish. 10:50:41 <NGC3982> or so it seems, at least. 10:50:49 <Alberth> gfr is a binary format, you cannot open it, except in a hex editor 10:50:54 <Alberth> *grf 10:51:13 <Zuu> krinn: Works here except that it complains that ai=5 is an unknown debug level. (I used r24186 though) 10:51:15 <Alberth> why don't you look at its source? 10:51:34 <NGC3982> the source? 10:51:37 <Alberth> otherwise, you have to decode the grf with grfcodec or grf2html 10:51:55 <Alberth> source is called .nfo or .nml or .pnml or so 10:51:56 <Zuu> Same result on 1.2 10:52:08 <NGC3982> oh, ok 10:52:14 <Zuu> "-d" opens up the console window in windows. 10:52:28 <Zuu> You get compile errors for AI and GS there. 10:52:29 <krinn> well, doesn't work anymore here :( 10:52:47 <NGC3982> Alberth: i think i need to read more on the systems behind coding like this. 10:53:00 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:08 <Rubidium> krinn, Zuu: it's probably -dscript=5 now 10:53:12 <NGC3982> i dont think i really understand the system 10:53:17 <Alberth> NGC3982: what are you trying to do? 10:53:42 <krinn> Rubidium, nope, same trouble: Unknown debug level 'dscript=5' 10:53:47 <Alberth> ie why do you want to open the grf file? 10:53:47 <krinn> Rubidium, and no output in console 10:54:09 <NGC3982> Alberth: edit the grf file, and learn about how to change the (a) grf. 10:54:24 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 10:54:29 <krinn> Rubidium, oh sorry it works ! 10:54:36 <Alberth> NGC3982: oh, don't do that :) 10:54:50 <krinn> Rubidium, i have tried -d dscript=5 when it was simply -d script=5 10:54:51 <NGC3982> ;-( 10:55:07 <krinn> Rubidium, thank you 10:55:12 <NGC3982> stupid NGC3982 thought it would be as simple as opening the file and editing the NML code. 10:55:14 <Alberth> the NewGRF system allows making a newgrf that overrides settings of existing industries 10:55:15 <NGC3982> :) 10:55:48 <Alberth> so you have to make a new newgrf, that adds pax as input cargo to the mine(?) 10:56:01 <NGC3982> yes 10:56:33 <Alberth> write nml code with any text editor 10:56:47 <Alberth> and use nmlc to code it to a grf 10:56:48 <NGC3982> and so i thought, using the opengfx+ grf and simply change it. 10:56:53 <NGC3982> would do the trick 10:56:54 <Alberth> load the grf in openttd, and run it :) 10:57:03 <NGC3982> hm, ok. 10:57:26 <NGC3982> but, how can i do that? i have no experience in the code what so ever. the reason for me wanting to edit an existing grf is to learn about how the code works. 10:57:29 <Alberth> if you want to edito opengfx+industries, that's possible too, just download the source 10:57:38 <NGC3982> oh, i thought i had the source. 10:57:38 <NGC3982> :D 10:58:03 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries 10:58:14 <NGC3982> yes, that is what i downloaded. i thought the .grf file was the source. 10:58:56 <NGC3982> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries , that is. 10:59:04 *** Ryton [~Ryton@109.132.105.192] has joined #openttd 10:59:05 <planetmaker> yes, I typed by heart 10:59:17 <NGC3982> :) 10:59:26 <planetmaker> but.. that's not a download page. It's the project's page which also has the source (link)( 10:59:39 <NGC3982> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/releases/LATEST/ 10:59:48 <NGC3982> ogfx-industries-0.3.4.zip <- that is what i downloaded. 11:00:16 <NGC3982> and the contaigned grf file is what i thought i would use to edit (and make a new one with my alterations to it). 11:00:19 <planetmaker> yes, that's the binary, the finished product. Not source 11:00:26 <NGC3982> ah, i see. 11:00:40 <planetmaker> look at the project page, go for repository 11:00:44 *** A4bbf89e0 [~A4bbf89e0@cho94-8-88-178-12-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:00:59 <planetmaker> that tab gives you the source for online view and the URL to checkout the repo by means of mercurial 11:01:35 <NGC3982> ok 11:01:37 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/LATEST/log/ <-- that contains the (pre-processed) NML file for the last nightly 11:02:07 <planetmaker> that's not the real source but good enough to look and work with, if you can't be bothered to run the makefile 11:02:25 <NGC3982> i have no idea how makefile works. 11:02:50 <NGC3982> ill take a look at that. thank you. 11:03:36 <NGC3982> ah, there we are. 11:04:06 <planetmaker> you don't need to understand how it works. But you need some command line knowledge and have make, awk and gcc at your disposal. And nml of course 11:04:31 <NGC3982> when i look at the code now, i kind of see how it works. 11:05:14 <NGC3982> where can i read about how i make the nml to a finnished loadable grf? 11:05:14 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-20-48.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:07:10 <Yexo> http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NMLTutorial 11:07:28 <planetmaker> the nml tutorial and wiki http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Getting_started 11:07:51 <NGC3982> thank you 11:10:20 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-39-209.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:53 <krinn> i wish add a new project in openttd coop, i see the add sub-project button, but in the creation page the subproject dropbox only show my AIs, i wish add this one to ai library and not attach to my AIs, how can i do that ? 11:25:44 <Yexo> you can't, since you're not a manager of the "ai libraries" project 11:25:57 <Yexo> if you make it a sub-project of one of your AIs I'll move it for you 11:26:24 <krinn> ok yexo thanks, i'll do that now 11:29:38 <krinn> Yexo, i don't remember i create the AI a long time ago, what i'm suppose to put as ident ? (a personnal thing, or something that speak by itself like a dictatorai for the AI DicatatorAI) ? 11:29:55 <Yexo> it'll show up in the url 11:30:02 <Zuu> prefix with type of content 11:30:04 <Yexo> so best is "ai-<your ai name>" 11:30:06 <Zuu> eg ai-dictator 11:30:18 <Zuu> or in this case gslib-scp 11:30:26 <Yexo> or "ailib-..." 11:30:35 <krinn> well, there's one in two Zuu, gslib-scp & ailib-scp 11:30:37 <Zuu> or just lib, as it is for both 11:30:45 <Zuu> scriptlib-scp 11:31:00 <krinn> scriptlib-scp pickup 11:31:14 <Yexo> what does scp stand for? 11:31:23 <krinn> Script communication protocol 11:31:45 <krinn> a "clin d'oeil" to scp the ssh copy :) 11:32:15 <krinn> Yexo -> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/scriptlib-scp and could add Zuu in it ? 11:32:47 <Zuu> krinn: I think you could 11:32:58 <Yexo> probably, yes ;) 11:33:00 <Yexo> done now anyway 11:33:09 <krinn> lol yes, just seen Yexo has done it 11:33:48 <Zuu> anyway, Im off now to trying to find a spot in the park :-) 11:34:07 <krinn> happy BBQ 11:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause> have you guys thought about just running an admin-script that pipes between the chat and the script? 11:35:12 <NGC3982> ill admit, i have the deepest respect for code, and people who does it with grace. 11:35:16 <NGC3982> this is hard. really hard. 11:37:17 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, we won't disturb the chat, nor the chat would disturb us this way 11:42:10 <krinn> Yexo: there's an automatic way to add a file to the "file" section without using the web interface? 11:42:38 <Yexo> no idea, try asking Ammler or search for the redmine documentation 11:42:40 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:11 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-153.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:54:19 *** Ryton [~Ryton@109.132.105.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:03 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/brickland/zoomin-test.png <- /me gniffels 12:02:37 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-68-29.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:05:14 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-153.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> brickland, try 3.141 12:06:55 *** Tycoony [5f5b09d6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:07:02 <Tycoony> hello 12:07:17 <Tycoony> someone there? 12:07:28 <Yexo> hello Tycoony 12:07:30 <TrueBrain> 117 nicks in channel :P 12:07:34 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: why would I try pi? 12:07:59 <Tycoony> there are an installer fpr openttd 3d? 12:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause> because pi tastes good? 12:08:07 <Yexo> there is no openttd 3d 12:08:13 <TrueBrain> and bricks dont? 12:08:22 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-29-155.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:31 <Tycoony> http://wiki.openttd.org/32bit_Graphics_Development 12:08:37 <Tycoony> there is... 12:08:42 <Yexo> that's not about 3d at all 12:08:57 <Yexo> it's only about more colour depth (and more zoom levels) 12:09:06 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 12:09:10 <Yexo> but you'll get both if you simply install openttd 1.2 12:09:55 <Tycoony> thanks - you have a link? 12:10:27 <Yexo> openttd.org 12:10:42 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:32 <Terkhen> TrueBrain: nice :) 12:17:31 <TrueBrain> its old work, but I could finally get the zoom-in sprites loaded :D 12:17:40 <planetmaker> :-) 12:17:53 <Terkhen> :) 12:17:53 *** Tycoony [5f5b09d6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:17:57 <TrueBrain> and, only to shock any of you that know me: I MADE A GRF! 12:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> AAAH! 12:18:15 * Eddi|zuHause covers in fear 12:18:17 <TrueBrain> I know right 12:18:23 <Terkhen> nml? 12:18:28 <TrueBrain> yup 12:18:44 <Terkhen> I never considered making GRFs at all until nml :P 12:18:51 <TrueBrain> with the help of Yexo, planetmaker and Rubidium; I needed a bit of hand-holding there :P 12:19:03 <planetmaker> :-D 12:19:38 <TrueBrain> Terkhen: I never considered mkaing a GRF. But I want to do 32bpp more, so it kinda won there :P 12:20:11 <TrueBrain> admitatly, it is much better than my solution (pngcodec) :P 12:20:18 <Alberth> I just knew you loved toyland :D 12:20:18 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:29 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:20:30 <TrueBrain> I am just a big kid :P 12:21:10 <Alberth> aren't we all? ;) 12:21:37 <planetmaker> :-) I guess we are 12:21:52 <TrueBrain> hehe 12:22:24 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:52 <TrueBrain> sadly, while cleaning a few weeks back, I removed a few master blender files ... *le sigh* ... guess I have to restart a bit :P 12:25:03 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:01 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has joined #openttd 12:28:37 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:24 <NGC3982> as you may know by now, im new to all of the NewGRF making. i just installed nmlc and im now trying to convert my nml file to a grf. 12:36:43 <NGC3982> im getting an error message wich i cant seem to google an answer to 12:36:46 <NGC3982> http://pastebin.com/bM8kzD6Z 12:37:28 <TrueBrain> # Default language file "lang/english.lng" doesn't exist 12:37:32 <TrueBrain> it literally tells you what is wrong 12:37:34 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:38:00 <TrueBrain> Guess you skipped: http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NMLTutorial/Language_files ;) 12:38:13 <CornishPasty> *LITERALLY* 12:38:18 <NGC3982> i have no idea in what context this language file exists. i cant seem to figure out if it has to do with linux or ttd. 12:38:40 <NGC3982> TrueBrain: oh, indeed i did. 12:38:50 <TrueBrain> :D 12:39:08 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:57 <NGC3982> my way of following the tutorial didnt really work, as you can see. 12:41:28 <TrueBrain> I had the same issue like an hour ago :P 12:41:34 <TrueBrain> had to go back as it was really required :P 12:41:40 <TrueBrain> I guess people dont write tutorials for nothing 12:42:20 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:42 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:05 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:45:23 *** Achilleshiel [wouterh@chat-utelscin.scintilla.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:45:29 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:37 <NGC3982> well, i started using the tutorial and made the step by step 12:46:44 <NGC3982> though, i should have read the full damn thing first 12:47:29 <NGC3982> -the +it 12:50:05 <TrueBrain> good thing, you only have to do it once :D 12:51:17 <NGC3982> hopefully.. 12:56:44 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:35 *** Miguelzinho [~Miguelzin@201.77.177.82] has joined #openttd 13:04:51 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:07:36 <NGC3982> hm 13:07:36 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:41 *** guru3_ [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:08:08 <NGC3982> i installed openttd on the linux machine i work on, and then copied the engling.lng to a new lang/ catalogue in the directory where i make the grfs. 13:08:40 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 13:08:41 <NGC3982> it tells me the file uses non-utf8 characters, wich i need to fix. any tip on how i convert files? or am i missunderstandning the process behind using the languge file? 13:11:00 <NGC3982> ah, never mind, the forums told me its my editor. 13:11:29 <TrueBrain> :D 13:11:35 <TrueBrain> utf-8, I hate utf-8 :P 13:12:12 <Eddi|zuHause> use utf-16 :p 13:12:30 <TrueBrain> nah, utf-32 13:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the bane of all "naive" string handling protocols :p 13:12:36 <Rubidium> yeah, analog files have no encoding problems ;) 13:13:00 <Eddi|zuHause> try sending utf-16 through IRC, for example :p 13:14:19 <valhallasw> TrueBrain: ascii ought to be enough for anybody! 13:14:27 <TrueBrain> yes! 13:14:35 <TrueBrain> it has all I need :D 13:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Àhh :p 13:15:27 <Rubidium> and because it has everything you need, you're using a method to encode smileys... 13:15:48 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: \"ahh! 13:15:53 <Rubidium> ⺠13:16:09 <NGC3982> the file command tells me the english.lng file is binary 13:16:11 <NGC3982> hm.. 13:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: this is not latex :p 13:16:19 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:46 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: ;-) have you ever seen how the utf-8 inputenc package works? 13:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: and that is sooooo annoying... i actually bothered to enable inputenc 13:17:24 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: because you just type ahead... and then wonder why letters disappeared after compiling... 13:19:09 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: heh. Yeah. Or you get some nice errors because you thought you could use µ - inputenc is set to something that supports greek, after all 13:19:49 <valhallasw> (inputenc=utf-8 does search-and-replace \xc3\xa4 (=À) to \"a ... 13:20:37 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd 13:22:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i might have used latin1 back then, not sure 13:23:22 <NGC3982> bah, im not getting anywhere.. 13:23:36 <NGC3982> iconv didnt like trying to convert from binary to utf-8. 13:23:52 <TrueBrain> is your .lng just a text file? 13:23:55 <TrueBrain> (it should be) 13:24:44 <NGC3982> yes, it is. though, file -bi tells me its in a binary charset, and it contaigns the text and a lot of odd chars.. 13:25:15 <TrueBrain> start a new file in a real text editor :P 13:25:33 <TrueBrain> I rly dont know, just babbling here :) 13:25:49 <NGC3982> i guess i can try and open the file in a different manor. 13:28:00 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: which editor did you use to create it? 13:28:04 <Rubidium> you must be rich if you have multiple manors ;) 13:28:47 <NGC3982> i didnt create it, i downloaded openttd (1.2.0-linux-generic-i686) and copied the file from the lang folder to my own corresponding. 13:28:57 <NGC3982> Rubidium: :( 13:29:11 <TrueBrain> NGC3982: you copied the english.lng from OpenTTD release? 13:29:53 <NGC3982> yes 13:30:02 <TrueBrain> that is wrong 13:30:03 * Rubidium assumed you were translating something for/with NML 13:30:10 <TrueBrain> it is also kinda confusing, but .lng from OpenTTD are compiled language files 13:30:16 <TrueBrain> .lng of NML are PLAIN TEXT files 13:30:17 <NGC3982> oh, ok. 13:30:18 <TrueBrain> http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NMLTutorial/Language_files#Example_language_file 13:30:23 <TrueBrain> that is what has to go in your english.lng 13:30:28 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 13:30:37 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD has nothing to do with grfs ;) 13:30:46 <TrueBrain> (except it loads them) 13:30:51 <NGC3982> but 13:30:56 <TrueBrain> .lng in this case is a bad choice if you know OpenTTD :P 13:31:02 <NGC3982> that is just an example 13:31:13 <TrueBrain> it is; so extend / change how you feel like 13:31:18 <TrueBrain> the page explains how the format works 13:31:27 <TrueBrain> remember you only needs to have those strings that your grf uses 13:31:28 <TrueBrain> nothing else 13:31:42 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD remains untouched, except that you load your resulting grf file 13:31:55 <NGC3982> what im trying to achieve here is making a grf from the nml file i have. the nml file is the ogfx-trains.nml. if i just want to try it out, cant i use a complete language file? 13:32:01 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 13:32:13 <TrueBrain> there is no such thing as a "complete language file" 13:32:20 <TrueBrain> each nml has its own language file, which defines the strings for that nml 13:32:23 <TrueBrain> nothing more, nothing less 13:32:25 <NGC3982> ah 13:32:44 <NGC3982> so, the corresponding language file would be found somewhere near the nml file. 13:32:49 * NGC3982 backlogs where he downloaded it. 13:32:55 <TrueBrain> in the lang/english.lng near it, yes :P 13:33:20 <NGC3982> i mean the url where i got that nml file. 13:34:02 <NGC3982> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/LATEST/log/' 13:34:06 <NGC3982> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/LATEST/log/ * 13:34:35 <NGC3982> ok, im confused. 13:35:58 <TrueBrain> that indeed is lacking the language file :) 13:36:02 <TrueBrain> bug planetmaker I guess ;) 13:36:31 <NGC3982> not until im sure its just not me not understanding. 13:36:41 <planetmaker> yeah, it's not there. For whatever reason. Should be, though 13:37:39 <NGC3982> well, heck with it then. do you have any other example nml file (with a corresponding language file) i can try this with? 13:38:03 <NGC3982> since that seems to be the last step for me to complete the making-a-grf-and-irritating-a-complete-irc-channel quest. 13:38:46 <TrueBrain> if you dont, I do, so no worries :P 13:40:04 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:18 <Belugas> hello 13:42:30 <NGC3982> oh, the bundles site had a lot of them 13:43:11 <NGC3982> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/nightlies/LATEST/log/ 13:43:16 <NGC3982> i guess that is what im looking for. 13:44:37 <NGC3982> although.. no english language file. 13:44:41 * NGC3982 continues. 13:47:44 *** Miguelzinho [~Miguelzin@201.77.177.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:49 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:14 <TrueBrain> isn't there a hg repos or something which has the language file? 13:50:19 * TrueBrain looks at planetmaker? 13:50:31 *** Miguelzinho [~Miguelzin@201.77.177.82] has joined #openttd 13:51:47 <Alberth> NGC3982: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries/repository/show/lang 13:51:55 <TrueBrain> \o/ 13:52:27 <NGC3982> Alberth: ah, there we are. 13:52:41 <NGC3982> actually, planetmaker told me this before, although i didnt understand the connection. 13:52:47 <NGC3982> now i do! :o 13:54:38 <TrueBrain> a learning-curve 13:55:08 <NGC3982> although, this gave me a whole bunch of new errors. 13:55:27 <TrueBrain> I guess that is progress? :D 13:57:21 <NGC3982> and, that language file does not look like the example file, for instance. 13:57:33 <TrueBrain> in what way doesnt it? 13:57:36 <NGC3982> it seems to be using lots of html 13:57:52 <TrueBrain> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries/repository/entry/lang/english.lng 13:57:56 <TrueBrain> I dont see HTML anywhere? 13:58:02 <NGC3982> oh 13:58:03 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:58:03 <NGC3982> haha 13:58:12 <TrueBrain> you were wgetting the URL Alberth gave, werent you? 13:58:27 <NGC3982> thats lame. ny browser downloaded the actual site contaigning the engling.lng file 13:58:37 <TrueBrain> hehe 13:58:42 <TrueBrain> well, that wont work :P 13:58:43 <NGC3982> yes, but i guess i did something horrible when downloading it. 13:59:31 <NGC3982> there we are, thank you :) 13:59:49 <NGC3982> "undefined command: VERSION" 13:59:52 * NGC3982 looks into it. 14:02:40 <NGC3982> oh, of course. 14:02:44 <TrueBrain> it seems to be part of the make-bundle they use (guessing here, first time looking in that code) 14:02:49 <NGC3982> i have to set the version. 14:02:59 <NGC3982> yes, i just noticed that "VERSION" is something, and not just a word. 14:03:26 <TrueBrain> there is some mention about custom_tags.txt, no clue what that is :P 14:03:47 <Terkhen> yes, the makefile framework replaces {VERSION}, IIRC for the current hg revision 14:04:04 * NGC3982 is yet to learn makefile 14:04:51 <TrueBrain> I would just add: VERSION :<string> 14:04:53 <TrueBrain> to english.lng :P 14:04:58 <TrueBrain> but that might not be the right way :D 14:05:08 <TrueBrain> TITLE and FILENAME you ened too most likely :) 14:07:32 <NGC3982> i feel a bit stuck, since the tutorial doesnt seem to take the makefile thingy into concideration. 14:07:35 * NGC3982 continues to explore. 14:08:14 <TrueBrain> the tutorial has little to do with it :) 14:08:23 <TrueBrain> the openttdcoop projects mostly use a framework, as far as I understand 14:08:27 <TrueBrain> which they build, apart from NML 14:08:30 <TrueBrain> which takes care of a few things 14:08:36 <TrueBrain> like, obviously, VERSION ;) 14:08:38 <Terkhen> yes, the makefile framework is independent from NML 14:08:41 <TrueBrain> NML itself doesnt need it 14:08:59 <Terkhen> the makefile "just" takes all of your pnml files, puts them all in a single file, and gives that file to NML 14:09:28 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/dutch.log <-- top-part is current devzone check_language script, bottom part is my attempt. 14:09:30 <TrueBrain> runs GCC preprocessor over it, and more of those additional tasks :) 14:13:53 <NGC3982> hm, ok. 14:14:02 <NGC3982> if i wish to use this language file 14:14:03 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: making a completely new GRF based on the nml tutorial and compiling an existing GRF are two entirely different things 14:14:28 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: so, i guess the better thing to do is to skip what im doing and strictly make a tutorial grf? 14:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: if you compile an existing grf, you better check out the full source 14:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: yes. you should first follow the tutorial by the letter 14:19:51 <TrueBrain> depends on your end-goal ofc :) 14:20:03 <TrueBrain> but otherwise, checkout that hg repos, and run 'make' ;) 14:20:23 <NGC3982> i just deleted everything i did this morning 14:20:27 <NGC3982> ill stick to the tutorial 14:20:57 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:26:00 *** guru3_ [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:42 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 14:51:51 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:20 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.31.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:56 *** Miguelzinho [~Miguelzin@201.77.177.82] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:08:12 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-96-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:10:34 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-057-203.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 15:13:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:13:34 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@on6.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:34 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.73.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:46 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:27:07 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:17 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:29:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:33:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DDD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:00 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has joined #openttd 15:44:54 * andythenorth ponders releasing FIRS 0.7.5 15:46:48 <V453000> ^^ I will do some testing when I have all cargoes drawn andy :p 15:46:54 <andythenorth> maybe I should play a test game 15:47:09 <andythenorth> imo, the change to randomise initial production is a BIG win 15:47:23 <andythenorth> V453000: I don't know if you saw, I took your comments about farms into account 15:47:29 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3950 15:47:48 <V453000> noticed an email but didnt investigate further 15:48:15 <V453000> oh, nice 15:48:19 <V453000> what is teh pax production now? 15:48:27 <V453000> max* 15:48:40 <andythenorth> 1 min 15:50:18 <andythenorth> V453000: for most farms, max is around 256t 15:50:23 <andythenorth> starting production varies 16t-40t 15:50:47 <V453000> hm 15:50:51 <V453000> 256 for each cargo? 15:51:02 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:51:14 <andythenorth> yup 15:51:23 <V453000> I dont know that still feels so low, connecting a mine with 2k cap is probably still so much more efficient 15:51:31 <andythenorth> the mines don't have 2k ;) 15:51:40 <V453000> what is max for other industries then? 15:51:49 <andythenorth> I increased it yesterday, let's see 15:51:59 <andythenorth> mines were 896t, now they're 1728t 15:52:09 <andythenorth> oil wells *do* have 2k 15:52:18 <V453000> hm 15:52:46 <V453000> yeah but that is my point. Connecting farms always requires a lot of things to be done. Not only that there are many farms in the cluster, but also that you need to produce FMSP somehow 15:52:54 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.23.92.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:52:59 <V453000> their production cap should imo be a lot higher than anything else 15:53:25 <andythenorth> I'd rather fix the FMSP issue somehow 15:53:40 <andythenorth> rewarding players for delivering FMSP is not a bad idea 15:53:41 <V453000> or just reduce the max production of mines 15:53:50 <andythenorth> but delivering FMSP is not exciting :P 15:53:59 <andythenorth> every farm needs so many stations :P 15:54:08 <V453000> sort of 15:54:18 <Rhamphoryncus> I think farm clusters should be less dense 15:54:21 <V453000> there are various ways how to do it, but still 15:54:31 <V453000> nah i think the density is nice to have for the change 15:54:52 <Rhamphoryncus> V453000: I had a game with 14 farms in one cluster 15:54:55 <V453000> but the difference needs to be adressed also from the general point of view if it doesnt hinder farms too much and eventually hinder other industries if it does 15:54:59 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: that's excessive :) 15:55:11 <andythenorth> v - I don't mind normalising the production a bit more 15:55:23 <andythenorth> farms ~500t, other industries 1k 15:55:25 <andythenorth> it's possible 15:55:33 <andythenorth> but I'm not making farms excessive 15:55:39 <V453000> I think that would make a lot of sense 15:55:55 <Rhamphoryncus> I've pushed against it so much that the last several games I haven't even bothered to service more than 1 or 2 of the same industry 15:55:55 <andythenorth> I'll play a test game I think, I haven't played the game for a long time 15:56:26 <V453000> I have majority of wagons drawn already, so my test game is close too :p 15:56:38 <V453000> want to have every cargo look different 15:56:43 <Rhamphoryncus> V453000: ahh, you are adding more wagon types to NUTS? 15:56:51 <V453000> no, just a new generation 15:56:56 <Rhamphoryncus> oh 15:57:15 <V453000> and fixing/upgrading/filling in some other generations 15:57:22 <andythenorth> hmm 15:57:40 <andythenorth> the issue I want to solve is FMSP 15:57:52 <V453000> what exactly is the issue with that? 15:58:10 <andythenorth> boring to connect up so many 1-tile truck dropoffs 15:58:36 <andythenorth> I've considered 'farm cluster is one giant industry' and it was rejected 15:58:44 <V453000> I dont think that is a problem, I actually like it that you can think of many different ways how to distribute the supplies 15:59:04 <andythenorth> maybe there should be a free source of FMSP 15:59:15 <andythenorth> that;s what pikka is doing in tai 15:59:26 <V453000> the real problem is that farms are always dependent on other cargoes, yet they have no advantage atm 15:59:28 <Alberth> andythenorth: what do you think of my language log: http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/f.html 15:59:33 <V453000> always unless you ahve the biorefinery.. 15:59:45 <Rhamphoryncus> Make the minimum spread (across all 4 types of farm) a bit larger, apply my stockpile patch 16:00:01 <Rhamphoryncus> Fertilizer plants, located near farms? 16:00:34 <V453000> free source of supplies ... I think that goes against the logic of supplies as something you have to produce to get your industries growing 16:00:59 <andythenorth> V453000: I'd consider it though 16:01:18 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=everything#guano_mine 16:01:21 <Rhamphoryncus> Well ideally the livestock farms would also produce poo which you take to the fertilizer plant ;) 16:01:29 <andythenorth> ^^ old idea, never implemented 16:01:52 <V453000> interesting 16:01:56 <andythenorth> Alberth: looks good, how do we mark strings as 'untranslateable' ? 16:02:08 <andythenorth> e.g dates, nml substrings etc 16:02:09 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:16 <V453000> if the Guano mine would have just low production, I think that would not be a bad idea 16:02:35 <Alberth> andythenorth: you need to fix nml for that :p 16:02:51 <andythenorth> guano would also expire at a certain date 16:02:57 <Rhamphoryncus> Fixed production, like fisheries? Which encourages an eventual changeover to scalable options 16:03:14 <V453000> on the other hand, it would make it reasonable to build a direct connection between guano mine and the farms ... I would put an industry between those - Guano mine - FMSP producer - farms 16:03:55 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:02 <andythenorth> Alberth: do it renum style: @@translation_off, @@translation_on 16:05:46 <andythenorth> V453000: guano processor? 16:06:06 <andythenorth> but the point is to get FMSP for free? 16:06:10 <andythenorth> imo 16:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rhamphoryncus> Well ideally the livestock farms would also produce poo which you take to the fertilizer plant ;) <-- that would very well be an idea for the agriculture economy 16:07:02 <andythenorth> patch for more output cargos! 16:07:02 <Rhamphoryncus> Eddi|zuHause: but would require a 3rd output for industries 16:07:13 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: I already suggested that and you shot it down 16:07:30 * andythenorth tries to remember if tiles can produce 16:08:11 <andythenorth> teach NoGo to build co-located industries? 16:09:12 <V453000> well yeah but the guano would not be useful for anything else 16:09:29 <V453000> atm all the main thigns like oil, coal, iron ore etc are greatly useful for other things 16:09:37 <V453000> FMSP is just a side effect 16:10:00 <V453000> maybe some of the goods-only cargoes like stone or sand (iirc) could make FMSP 16:10:09 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:05 <andythenorth> stone makes FMSP at the lime kiln 16:11:09 <andythenorth> or does it make chemicals? 16:11:22 <andythenorth> no FMSP directly 16:11:30 <andythenorth> and chemicals 16:11:34 <V453000> hm 16:11:38 <V453000> that is not so bad then 16:11:44 <V453000> but ... no ES from that 16:11:55 <andythenorth> "no, it makes FMSP directly" would have made more sense above :P 16:11:58 <V453000> in compare to for example oil - oil is able to exist on itself 16:12:00 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:12:05 <NGC3982> wiki pages that describes brackets as "curly" are good wiki pages. 16:12:18 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.23.92.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:20 <V453000> plus it makes FMSP or anything you want 16:12:31 <V453000> stone -> fmsp cant grow as it doesnt have ES 16:13:13 <V453000> I know it isnt just about single chain as everything should be nicely linked in FIRS, but if you start with oil network, you do not have any real reason to focus on other industries and you can just grow your oil wells to the 2k 16:13:32 <andythenorth> V453000: and therein lies a moral tale about our civilisation ;) 16:13:55 <V453000> if oil wells would have a limit of 500 and farms of 500-in-clusters, then you would have a damn good reason to bother with farms 16:14:59 <andythenorth> I won't equalise them, but I'll push them closer together in the range 16:15:11 <andythenorth> I'll do that later today ;) 16:15:14 <V453000> :p 16:15:24 <V453000> not necessarily equal, but you get the point :š) 16:15:40 <andythenorth> cluster of 4 farms at 2x400t ea. is ... quite a lot of output 16:16:01 <V453000> sure, which it should be as you put a lot of effort in connecting them, and produce supplies for them from another source 16:16:32 <andythenorth> other industries can cap out around 1600t per cargo 16:16:42 <andythenorth> I'm not 100% convinced that farms shouldn't be one big industry 16:16:48 <andythenorth> but meh, we had that debate at least twice 16:16:59 <V453000> nah, that would make it stupid, they would just become the same thing 16:17:00 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:17:09 <V453000> now they are something different, nice variety 16:17:42 <V453000> I think if this "balance" between farms and other industries is improved, it will be a lot better 16:17:54 <andythenorth> if stations would round-robin delivered cargo, the FMSP delivery would be much easier ;) 16:18:24 <supermop> too easy 16:18:39 <andythenorth> only if you station walk a lot :P 16:18:48 <V453000> thats the point, nothing would be different from other industries 16:18:52 <V453000> what would be the interesting thing then 16:19:45 <andythenorth> brb 16:20:39 <NGC3982> is the correct word for {} braces, or brackets? 16:21:23 <V453000> brackets 16:22:48 <Mazur> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracket 16:23:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-72-214-2.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:24:43 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:42 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-9-245.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:28:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A82E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:02 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:08 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:33:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7f40.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:19 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:22 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:12 <supermop> so is there a good railtype tutorial anywhere? 16:43:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r24188 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: (log message trimmed) 16:43:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix-ish [FS#5151] (r1): when changing the basics of a window (fullscreen, 16:43:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: 8bpp/32bpp), and a window already exists, it was forced out of maximize mode, 16:43:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: and its resolution/position was reset, often causing unwanted side-effects. As a 16:43:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: "bonus", a WC_SIZE was triggered, and if the system was going from 8bpp to 32pp, 16:43:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: this caused a forced window update in a limbo-state of the blitter (not fully 16:43:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: 32bpp just yet, but for sure no longer 8bpp); this could cause random memory 16:43:22 <supermop> also, 16:43:42 <supermop> how do I include 4x sprites? 16:43:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r24189 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Fix: when going to fullscreen and back, restore to the resolution you were, not to the fullscreen resolution (Windows only) 16:44:49 <TrueBrain> awh, CIA-1 doesnt show my epostol in its full :'( 16:46:18 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e815:a37c:b12b:8d6] has joined #openttd 16:46:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:46:51 <andythenorth> V453000: how do you feel about FMSP having 2x current effect? 16:46:56 <andythenorth> i.e. production ramps faster 16:47:14 <V453000> does not fit too well for me 16:47:25 <andythenorth> still have to build the truck routes :P 16:47:25 <V453000> from my ideal point of view, farms would be something for the bright future 16:47:49 <V453000> so it would take a lot of time and effort to get to some amazing stage of huge production 16:47:50 <andythenorth> 2x doesn't work well if there are free FMSP on the map either 16:47:58 <V453000> true 16:48:27 <V453000> nah, I dont think too quick growth is good 16:48:39 <V453000> in general 16:49:35 <andythenorth> I think I'll reject that idea 16:49:47 <andythenorth> the free FMSP is the next thing to explore 16:50:58 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:07 <andythenorth> tbh, it was an anti-goal to have very high farm production 16:51:23 <andythenorth> I made it low because I find it silly to have 50 trucks waiting at a farm with high production 16:51:29 <supermop> andythenorth: I just started a small 128x128 game in 1880 and am having fun with heqs for street running railways along the harbour 16:51:37 <V453000> well you dont have to do it with trucks? :D 16:51:48 <andythenorth> no, and I don't mind testing alternatives 16:52:04 <andythenorth> how much milk do you really need though? 16:52:13 <supermop> I would prefer many, smaller farms 16:52:21 <andythenorth> maybe the arable farm and mixed farm should gain more than the others 16:52:54 <V453000> the farms which make FMSP through biorefinery should gain less 16:52:57 <V453000> not sure which are those 16:53:42 <andythenorth> arable farm primarily 16:53:50 <supermop> or, farms as they are now as industries, but also a FIRS-like houses that provide 'farmsteads' at the exrems edge of town, 2x2 houses that produce farm products 16:54:31 <supermop> can a house prefer to locate in fields? 16:55:22 <andythenorth> not sure 16:55:24 *** Ryton [~Ryton@94-226-98-24.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:55:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:57:35 <NataS> homorning 16:57:41 <NataS> oh no! 16:57:48 <NataS> I'm Homorning 16:57:51 <NataS> :C 16:58:10 * NataS bleeds all over the place 16:58:36 <andythenorth> well don't make a mess 16:59:05 * NGC3982 just made his first grf work. 16:59:24 <Terkhen> :) 17:00:45 <NataS> YAY! 17:04:29 <andythenorth> so arable farm produces grain and sugar beet 17:04:33 <andythenorth> always in same ratio 17:04:36 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:39 <andythenorth> currently 1t:1t 17:04:46 <andythenorth> should I make it produce more of one or something? 17:05:18 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:57 <michi_cc> andythenorth: Make it random? Some soil is better for grain, some for sugar beet. 17:06:09 <andythenorth> requires recoding :P 17:06:11 <andythenorth> but I might 17:06:12 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:06:27 <andythenorth> I have to write my own production code for tht 17:08:52 <supermop> random is good 17:09:02 <michi_cc> Can't you solve that via the initial production multiplier? 17:09:12 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:09:29 <andythenorth> no 17:09:42 <andythenorth> we took it out of scope for cb 15F ;P :) 17:11:40 <andythenorth> I'd need to fake the standard production method via the production cb 17:11:49 <andythenorth> achievable, but means writing new code 17:16:08 <NGC3982> hm 17:16:27 <NGC3982> the newgrf folder is the ..preferable folder for newgrf files? 17:18:29 <NGC3982> what on earth did i just do. the grf name was scanned (/openttd/content_download) and loaded. i then changed it a bit (to the tutorial version of the NML Example NewGRF). 17:18:37 <NGC3982> now, i cant find it in the list. 17:18:38 <NGC3982> :( 17:19:14 <andythenorth> rescanned newgrfs? 17:19:23 <andythenorth> if that fails, restarted openttd? 17:19:32 <NGC3982> yes, several times 17:20:05 <NGC3982> copied the files to multiple locations (/newgrf, /content_download, /content_download/data) 17:20:13 <NGC3982> and restarted, a few times. 17:20:17 <NGC3982> ill try and rename it. 17:20:36 <Rubidium> don't duplicate GRFs, that'll only make a mess of things 17:20:45 <Rubidium> furthermore, don't manually put stuff in content_download 17:20:52 <NGC3982> i see. 17:21:43 <NGC3982> ill delete all of it, rename it (that is, remake the grf from the nml file with a new name), clean the openttd directory and retry. 17:21:44 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.23.92.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:23:43 <NGC3982> hm, the same effect 17:23:53 <NGC3982> i put the file in /openttd/newgrf. 17:24:13 <NGC3982> the wiki told me to put it in the data directory, wich only exists in the content_download. 17:24:16 <Rubidium> there might a bug in the GRF; then openttd -d grf=1 might show something 17:24:27 <Rubidium> NGC3982: the wiki is always outdated 17:24:38 <NGC3982> i noticed :) 17:24:55 <NGC3982> where do i use that command? 17:25:10 <Rubidium> from the command line of your operating system 17:25:14 <NGC3982> ah 17:29:17 *** rtyler [~tyler@63-246-20-94.contegix.com] has left #openttd [] 17:29:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:29:41 <Wolf01> evening 17:30:28 <NGC3982> Rubidium: i cant seem to find any reference to it being found. 17:30:51 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 17:31:05 <NGC3982> this is odd. i fail to find any reference to it existing at all 17:31:12 <NGC3982> ill try it locally on linux 17:31:25 <Rubidium> then increase the number (will spew more info; goes up to 9) 17:32:45 <NGC3982> ah 17:34:38 <NGC3982> here we go 17:35:40 <NGC3982> "StaticGRFinfo: 'MINV' defined before 'VRSN' or 'VRSN' set to 0, ignoring this field" 17:38:18 <NGC3982> google tells me MINV and VRSN has to do with the version of the game 17:38:24 <NGC3982> i guess.. 17:38:39 <NGC3982> im using 1.2.0-RC2 17:39:27 <Rubidium> it's the version of the NewGRF 17:39:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24190 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt traditional_chinese.txt): 17:39:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:39:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 90 changes by Luper 17:39:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 11 changes by Paragulis 17:39:43 <michi_cc> NGC3982: a) That's just a warning and shouldn't have an effect on the grf list. b) Why are you using a version that is known to be faulty? 17:39:54 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:32 <NGC3982> i actually have no idea. i didnt really think about updating the game to the latest version while messing with the grfs. :) 17:40:35 * NGC3982 updates. 17:44:14 <NGC3982> im actually a bit clueless on why it doesnt work. 17:44:18 * NGC3982 remakes. 17:46:58 <andythenorth> hmm 17:47:10 <andythenorth> so how do I fake game's production mechanic? 17:47:19 <andythenorth> I need to get prod_level 17:48:10 <andythenorth> 0x93 ? 17:48:28 <andythenorth> and then I need to fake production multipliers in some storage 17:48:33 <andythenorth> and I need a random switch 17:49:07 <andythenorth> and I need to make this a CPP macro :o 17:49:32 * andythenorth has been trying to get on better terms with CPP macros 17:49:55 <andythenorth> repeating "it's just like a broken function" seems to help :P 17:50:22 <NGC3982> something is definetly broken 17:50:36 <NGC3982> since my old grf file no longer has any effect and gives the same error as stated above 17:51:02 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:52:59 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 17:53:35 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.23.92.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:06 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: fancy patching FIRS primary production? 17:58:24 * andythenorth wishes there was an easy way to tell which storage was in use at an industry 17:58:28 <andythenorth> there is not :( 17:59:02 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [] 18:04:09 <oskari89> @seen DanMacK 18:04:09 <DorpsGek> oskari89: DanMacK was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <DanMacK> WB Andy 18:05:08 <andythenorth> pm him 18:05:12 <andythenorth> on the forums 18:05:25 <andythenorth> he pm-ed me sat 21st 18:05:53 * andythenorth wtfs at how to find which permanent storage is in use 18:06:09 <andythenorth> probably write an industry window text over-ride that displays all registers 18:06:41 <andythenorth> it's strange that the newgrf debug window shows it for some industries, but not others 18:06:48 <NGC3982> it works! 18:06:49 <NGC3982> \o/ 18:07:03 <andythenorth> maybe if storage is unused, it's not shown at all 18:07:39 <andythenorth> evidence seems that way 18:08:55 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-9-230.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:14:18 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-20-48.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:37 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:17:45 * andythenorth wishes at least one of his partners-in-crime wasn't busy with RL :P 18:17:48 <andythenorth> pair coding is more fun 18:17:52 <andythenorth> even with the arguments :P 18:17:57 <SpComb> quite 18:19:08 <supermop> teach your kid to code? 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19:02:30 <andythenorth> it's a default industry tile being redefined 19:02:44 <andythenorth> usually tile_check would be needed to handle that cb 19:06:00 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:07:13 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:41 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:12:37 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:05 <frosch123> you can't 19:13:21 <frosch123> you cannot add callback to default industry tiles 19:13:40 <frosch123> you have to replicate the whole tile for that 19:17:34 <NGC3982> is there any text editor in linux that shows the number of lines? 19:19:12 <frosch123> haha, i think you rather want to ask how to enable it for your editor :p 19:19:18 <Rubidium> is the number of lines really interesting? 19:19:21 <frosch123> what are you using currently? 19:19:31 <Rubidium> I usually don't care whether a file has 100 or 105 lines 19:19:40 <NGC3982> Rubidium: yes, im getting an error on line 76, and i cant find line 76. 19:19:41 <NGC3982> :D 19:19:54 <frosch123> then try ctrl+g or ctrl+l 19:20:01 <Rubidium> or, so you want it to show the line numbers 19:20:03 <frosch123> (most common hotkeys for that) 19:22:32 <NGC3982> hm 19:22:35 <NGC3982> im using nano 19:22:39 <NGC3982> ctrl+g gave me the help 19:22:46 <frosch123> ah, so a console editor 19:22:50 <NGC3982> but i cant manage to get to a specific line number. 19:23:26 <Rubidium> ctrl+c shows the current position then 19:24:04 <andythenorth> frosch123: it appears to work :P 19:24:06 <frosch123> ctrl+_ 19:24:13 <andythenorth> but testing is hard 19:24:14 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:40 <andythenorth> maybe it doesn't work, but I haven't seen it fail yet :P 19:34:22 <NGC3982> http://pastebin.com/vH7s3aVH <- take a look at line 69. when making the grf from the nml, it tells me that the } on row 69 was unexpected. 19:34:27 <NGC3982> and i cant figure out what im doing wrong. 19:36:43 <Rubidium> missing semicolon on 67? 19:36:58 <NGC3982> ah! 19:36:59 <NGC3982> yes! 19:37:01 <NGC3982> thanks <3. 19:38:41 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0fd4e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:50 <NGC3982> there we are, lots of manual errors in the file 19:39:54 <NGC3982> but it seems to be fixed. 19:43:09 <Alberth> you also have automatic errors? 19:43:36 <andythenorth> he 19:43:45 <andythenorth> the unexpected } catches me sometimes ;) 19:44:02 <andythenorth> I could patch the error I guess to be more helpful 19:44:15 <andythenorth> but overly-helpful errors can sometimes be wrong and misleading 19:45:05 <NGC3982> hehe 19:45:22 <NGC3982> the thing is, i started looking for missing or added {} 19:45:29 <NGC3982> not looking at the missing ; at all. 19:45:37 <NGC3982> although, i fixed it, and the grf works \o/ 19:45:42 * NGC3982 is a bit proud. 19:46:54 <NGC3982> btw, where do i put the grfs in openttd-1.2.0-linux-generic-i686? 19:48:14 <NGC3982> since i didnt install anything, i guess the grfs go somewhere in the extracted catalogue.. 19:48:34 <Alberth> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/readme.txt#L252 19:49:27 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:49:28 <NGC3982> with that, i guess ~/.openttd is created upon opening the game? 19:49:42 <NGC3982> yes, it did. 19:49:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:49:43 <NGC3982> neat, thanks :) 19:58:27 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1177643171.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 19:58:29 <drac_boy> hi 20:01:01 <NGC3982> yet again, i have stumbled upon trouble 20:01:26 <drac_boy> heh what? 20:01:55 <NGC3982> http://pastebin.com/vH7s3aVH <- this code is the tutorial bus grf (except corrected with some {};, wich the uploaded text isnt). i get everything to work except loading. it doesnt load passengers at all, but stand still at 0%. 20:01:56 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-58.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 20:02:05 <NGC3982> i fail to see what im doing wrong. 20:02:17 <NGC3982> am i missing a property? 20:02:57 <drac_boy> hm dunno sorry, wait for someone else? :) 20:04:06 <NGC3982> drac_boy: ;) 20:04:14 <NGC3982> drac_boy: ive been up the buts of the people in here all day. 20:05:02 <andythenorth> @calc 1000*442 20:05:02 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 442000 20:05:02 <drac_boy> up the buts? 20:05:23 <andythenorth> @calc 1000+442 20:05:23 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 1442 20:05:33 <andythenorth> @calc 442000 / 1442 20:05:33 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 306.518723994 20:05:35 <andythenorth> hmm 20:05:54 <NGC3982> drac_boy: im making my first grf, and it hasnt gone smoothly. 20:08:16 <drac_boy> sorry I can't help you much with that NGC3982 20:09:58 <NGC3982> :D 20:15:48 <drac_boy> NGC3982 I do have a large tracking table and some sprites tho ... could use a coder? :P 20:15:49 <drac_boy> heh heh 20:16:08 <NGC3982> you wouldnt want me close to your code. 20:16:08 <NGC3982> :D 20:16:23 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: I don't suppose you can shrink the radius at which openttd creates farming fields? 20:16:35 <andythenorth> nope 20:16:39 <andythenorth> you could patch the game ;) 20:16:58 <andythenorth> you could implement frosch123's suggestions here http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1375/ 20:17:02 <andythenorth> wrt objects 20:17:18 <NGC3982> what property regulates how good/passengers are loaded on a vehicle? 20:17:38 <drac_boy> NGC3982 I wasn't asking you you silly thing :P 20:17:40 <drac_boy> heh heh 20:17:49 <Rhamphoryncus> Oi, that was a good chunk of backscroll to catch up on 20:18:23 <NGC3982> oh wait 20:18:42 <NGC3982> default_cargo_first_refittable isnt featured in the tutorial 20:18:48 <NGC3982> i think i might need it to make it load at all 20:19:11 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: I do wonder how annoying the farm clusters would be with my 6 month stockpile 20:19:25 <andythenorth> more or less? 20:19:35 <Rhamphoryncus> less, possibly by a lot 20:20:53 <Rhamphoryncus> hrm. Can conditional acceptance stop partway through unloading? Force it to only accept 5 crates? 20:21:21 <Rhamphoryncus> If so you could have one truck load up, then hit several farms until empty 20:24:09 <andythenorth> Terkhen: are you translating FIRS currently? 20:24:15 <Terkhen> right now? no 20:24:23 <Terkhen> I translated everything yesterday 20:24:43 <Terkhen> if it does not include any new strings, the spanish translation is complete right now 20:24:50 <andythenorth> great 20:25:02 <andythenorth> might release FIRS 0.7.5 soon 20:25:54 * NGC3982 doesnt get the crap to work. 20:25:55 <Rienzilla> hmm 20:26:03 <Rienzilla> can I prevent openttd from adding implicit destinations? 20:26:14 <andythenorth> don't bother 20:26:16 <andythenorth> it does no harm 20:26:43 <Rienzilla> well i have trains with a gazillion implicit destinations which have been added when I rerouted some tracks 20:27:49 <Rhamphoryncus> Rienzilla: use non-stop orders, always 20:27:57 <Rhamphoryncus> there's a config option to make them the default 20:28:02 <Rienzilla> what;s that? 20:28:21 <drac_boy> Rhamphoryncus why break something that used to work tho? 20:28:26 <drac_boy> :) 20:28:34 <Rhamphoryncus> drac_boy: huh? 20:29:01 <Rhamphoryncus> Rienzilla: look in the orders window, one of the drop downs has an option for non-stop 20:29:10 <drac_boy> why non-stop if theres nothing to stop at basically that is 20:29:36 <Rienzilla> but will it then stop adding te implicit stops? 20:29:56 <Rhamphoryncus> non-non-stop means stop randomly anywhere you happen to trip over, which happens quite often 20:30:30 <Rhamphoryncus> Rienzilla: yes. It only reports implicit stops because the vehicle actually did stop there. They don't affect behaviour, they just report that it happened 20:31:04 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:38 <Rienzilla> oh ok 20:31:43 <Rienzilla> thanks 20:31:45 <Rienzilla> one more thing 20:32:02 <Rienzilla> if I want to change/copy orders for a gazillion of trains, what's the fastest way? 20:32:20 <Rhamphoryncus> make them shared orders in the first place 20:32:22 <Rienzilla> I'm now opening them, deleting all the orders, and then click go to on a template train 20:32:31 <Rhamphoryncus> ctrl-click your template 20:32:41 <Rhamphoryncus> you can also hold down ctrl when cloning in the first place 20:32:52 <Rienzilla> emm 20:33:01 <Rienzilla> ctrl-click the orders window? or the train itself? 20:33:06 <Chris_Booth> pressing 2 buttons at once? 20:33:09 <Chris_Booth> are you mad! 20:33:20 <Rhamphoryncus> select "go to", then ctrl-click the template train 20:33:35 <Chris_Booth> you my hurt yourself if you use 2 buttons at the same time 20:33:35 <Rienzilla> ahh 20:33:38 <Chris_Booth> be carefyl 20:33:54 <Rienzilla> I do that once for all trains and then when I change the orders of the template train the rest follows auto? 20:34:01 * drac_boy thinks Chris_Booth is a bit too crazy now 20:34:02 <drac_boy> :) 20:34:11 <Rhamphoryncus> Chris_Booth: .. my mouse has 14. What happens if I press them all at once? 20:34:11 <Chris_Booth> lol 20:34:18 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:34:18 <Rhamphoryncus> Rienzilla: yup 20:34:26 <Chris_Booth> Rhamphoryncus: you will break the mouse 20:34:28 <drac_boy> Chris_Booth did you forgot about needijng three at once with ctrl+alt+del? :p 20:34:51 <Chris_Booth> oh no not windows XP and CTRL ALT Del! 20:34:59 <Chris_Booth> I needed a 3rd are for that 20:35:12 <Chris_Booth> in fact I used my nose to press the delete key 20:35:21 <Chris_Booth> XD 20:35:25 <drac_boy> Chris_Booth are you telling me you have no hands? 20:35:44 <Rhamphoryncus> Just don't ask what he does if he needs a 4th button 20:35:47 <Chris_Booth> what are these hands you talk about? 20:35:51 <CornishPasty> I can ctrl+alt+del with 1 hand... 20:36:29 <Chris_Booth> CornishPasty: you must have giant hands or a tiny keyboard 20:36:44 <CornishPasty> Chris_Booth: I just use the right hand ctrl and alt 20:36:46 <Rhamphoryncus> Chris_Booth: alt+ctrl on the right side, not the left? 20:37:58 <Chris_Booth> I didn't even know that worked! 20:38:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A82E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:04 <Rhamphoryncus> Go ahead and try it. Hit it a few times if it doesn't work at first. I'll wait. 20:39:09 <Chris_Booth> lol 20:39:22 <drac_boy> how about hitting alt+F4 instead? 20:39:26 <drac_boy> crude joke I know :) 20:39:37 <Chris_Booth> I don't have a windows computer near me to try it with Rhamphoryncus 20:39:59 <andythenorth> good bye 20:39:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:40:12 *** Ryton [~Ryton@94-226-98-24.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40:16 <Chris_Booth> bb Andy 20:40:49 <Rhamphoryncus> Linux or mac? 20:41:17 <Chris_Booth> Mac 20:41:31 <Rhamphoryncus> ah. No idea about the mac equivalent 20:41:32 <Chris_Booth> well kinda Mac, iOS 20:41:42 * NGC3982 still cant get it to work :( 20:41:57 <CornishPasty> cmd+opt+esc 20:42:00 <CornishPasty> Can be done with one hand :P 20:42:36 <Chris_Booth> middle and power can be pressed with one hand 20:42:41 <Chris_Booth> to reset the iPhone 20:45:53 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-231.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:51 <NGC3982> for god sake. 20:47:07 <NGC3982> im not finding any property or function that supports what im doing 20:47:14 <NGC3982> im going for a close call. 20:47:26 <NGC3982> planetmaker: since i notice you were a part of the tutorial, i think i need your help on this one. 20:48:57 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120417165043]] 20:50:25 <NGC3982> planetmaker: im making the flatbed truck as of the tutorial. the problem im getting is that the truck doesnt load passengers at bus stations (even though its set as the tutorial states). 20:50:39 <NGC3982> i have tried simply pasting the stuff into a new nml file, making a grf and trying it again. 21:00:06 *** jahina [jahina@cha74-2-88-160-191-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:02:14 <jahina> hi, 21:02:14 <jahina> can someone help me install an app please ? 21:02:51 *** jahina [jahina@cha74-2-88-160-191-163.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [autokilled: Do not spam other people. Mail support@oftc.net if you feel this is in error. (2012-04-30 21:08:32)] 21:04:42 *** wouterh [wouterh@chat-utelscin.scintilla.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 21:05:25 *** namad8 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:39 *** wouterh is now known as Achilleshiel 21:08:08 <NGC3982> planetmaker: never mind this (yet again) useless hilight. i solved it. 21:08:32 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:29 <planetmaker> I never noticed that I'm part of any tutorial... 21:26:19 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:26:44 <supermop> Apparently so; just highlighting your name helps people solve problems! 21:32:18 <Terkhen> good night 21:32:53 <frosch123> night 21:32:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7f40.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:37 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120417165043]] 21:33:49 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 21:44:58 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 21:46:50 <NGC3982> planetmaker: according to the tutorial, you (and some other people) made the examples. 21:47:12 <planetmaker> still doesn't make me part of the tutorial ;-) 21:47:30 <NGC3982> :( 21:47:40 <planetmaker> sorry, it's playing words :-) 21:47:44 <drac_boy> :p 21:48:00 <planetmaker> of course, I made part of the tutorial. But I am not part of it ;-) 21:48:07 <NGC3982> i feel like a five year old when i experiment with the engine png's. 21:50:48 <Mazur> While in actuality you all of 5œ years old already! 21:51:15 <Mazur> You're a big boy, now! 21:51:26 <Eddi|zuHause> probably more like 5 billion years :p 21:51:55 <NGC3982> ;) 21:53:30 <Rienzilla> hmm 21:53:45 <Rienzilla> is it also possible to mass-change the amount/type of vehicles for all trains in a group? 21:55:21 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:55:59 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:56:45 <Eddi|zuHause> type yes, amount no 21:58:57 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 21:59:48 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:36 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-04.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:00:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A82E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:39 <Rienzilla> and ehm, a way to get a list of all trains that have a certain station in their order list? 22:06:54 *** krinn [~krinn@80.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: night] 22:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. in the station window, there are little train/ship/plane/etc. buttons 22:13:03 <Rienzilla> ah, awesome 22:16:42 *** magosi [~mathew@CPE602ad087577e-CM602ad087577b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:36:09 <drac_boy> btw any of you know a bit about linux distros? if not thats ok 22:43:22 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-72-214-2.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:37 <Wolf01> 'night 22:57:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:06:09 <V453000> not. 23:06:10 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 23:08:41 <drac_boy> V453000 no need to be obvious :p 23:08:53 <V453000> actually I was not obvious at all 23:09:20 <V453000> about 90% of the people in this channel probably know a damn lot about linux, you just asked a very wrong question :) 23:10:18 <drac_boy> V453000 and what do you mean by that? :P 23:10:31 <V453000> Don't ask to ask, just ask 23:10:49 <V453000> you should ask your problem straight away :p 23:12:29 * drac_boy whumps a pillow at V453000? 23:12:35 <drac_boy> heh 23:12:49 <V453000> pillows dont help :) 23:13:19 <Rhamphoryncus> V's got a thick skull. Use something harder, like a brick. 23:13:46 <drac_boy> Rhamphoryncus nah I'll rather not 23:13:55 <drac_boy> that'll be considered abuse then ;) 23:14:39 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:16:21 <drac_boy> so hm anyway first thing was, any thought on gentoo or source mage for a customizeable distro that still can be kept up to date easily? 23:30:05 *** A4bbf89e0 [~A4bbf89e0@cho94-8-88-178-12-119.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:02 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-9-245.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:59 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:40:47 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.23.92.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:43:30 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0fd4e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 23:45:24 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.13] has joined #openttd 23:49:57 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-96-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]