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00:09:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.0.91] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:18:47 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d2e:e794:8058:24d0] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:26:30 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:36:14 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-051-096.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 00:36:29 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.0.91] has joined #openttd 01:21:43 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.134.150] has joined #openttd 01:42:00 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-173-71-180-190.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 01:45:15 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-173-71-180-190.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:01:33 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has joined #openttd 02:06:58 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:24:11 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:30:56 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.134.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31:19 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 02:34:40 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 02:35:09 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:59:02 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.134.150] has joined #openttd 03:32:47 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 03:39:07 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 04:43:02 *** ludde [~b@c80-217-210-102.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 04:44:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67AC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:44:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD477B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:54 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.134.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:18:49 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-55.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:20:21 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.134.150] has joined #openttd 05:42:42 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:02:56 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-203.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:05:38 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:45 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.68.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:13:59 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-101-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:14:28 *** cyph3r_ [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 06:16:52 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-55.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:18:57 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-203.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:24:37 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-104-96.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:26:31 <Terkhen> good morning 06:29:03 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-101-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:37:14 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-107-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:38:55 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:40:48 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:41:23 *** KingPixaIII [~pixa@85.210.76.208] has joined #openttd 06:42:12 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-104-96.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:46:18 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-107-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:50:19 *** Wakou [~stephen@host86-129-34-31.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:51:15 <planetmaker> moin 06:53:17 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 06:58:13 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-115-249-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:07:26 <dihedral> morning, Terkhen, and planetmaker 07:09:19 <Terkhen> hi :) 07:13:09 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 07:13:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:16:29 <dihedral> greetings Alberth 07:16:45 <Alberth> moin dihedral 07:16:50 <NGC3982> did anyone of you read abbott's flatland while in school? :) 07:17:20 <NGC3982> it's certainly the first book that comes to mind when playing ttd.. 07:21:01 * Alberth invents bridges for NGC3982 07:22:37 <Alberth> hmm, can you disable bridges and tunnels? that could be an interesting twist :) 07:26:02 <Alberth> wow, so many published versions :) 07:29:21 <NGC3982> Alberth: hehe, sure. 07:29:45 <NGC3982> a 64*64 game with no signals, no bridges or tunnels 07:30:04 *** Wakou [~stephen@host86-129-34-31.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46:28 <Alberth> sounds like a truck game :p 07:51:29 <NGC3982> ..and no roads! 07:55:17 <NGC3982> although 07:55:30 <NGC3982> im exploring the possibility to run a no-time server game 07:55:54 <NGC3982> where time does pass, but the years does not progress. 07:56:52 <Terkhen> you can increase the cost of bridges, I'm not sure about tunnels 07:57:00 <dihedral> <Alberth> hmm, can you disable bridges and tunnels? <- ouch :-D 07:57:28 <NGC3982> it sounds grf-makeable? 07:57:32 <NGC3982> at least the bridge-cost. 07:58:03 <Alberth> bridges do I think, just make them at most 2 tiles long 07:58:21 <Alberth> which is not entirely disabling, but useless enough :p 07:58:51 <Alberth> I don't know what you can do with tunnels in newgrf 08:04:53 *** levelbylevel [~ideas@host81-149-38-109.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #openttd 08:08:42 <planetmaker> tunnels are not newgrf-able except the looks 08:11:37 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-042-174.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:12:02 <Terkhen> true, you can set them to useless lenghts 08:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause> why not allow "tunnel types" the same as bridgetypes? (with looks, length, speedlimit, etc.) 08:13:07 <Eddi|zuHause> internally they're the same anyway 08:13:07 <Terkhen> I suppose that the settings do not allow 0, though 08:13:45 <Terkhen> Eddi|zuHause: and air drag modifiers 08:14:21 <Eddi|zuHause> bridges also have an introduction year 08:16:07 <Alberth> not needed for tunnels as long tunnels cost too much in the beginning :) 08:17:59 <Eddi|zuHause> cost is a really bad balancing method in this game :p 08:19:40 <NGC3982> so, tunnels are 'un-prohibitable' in that sence? 08:22:25 <Alberth> make it at sea level, and forbid terra forming :) 08:22:37 <Terkhen> I don't remember a tunnel basecost 08:24:28 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.123.42.12] has joined #openttd 08:29:35 <Hirundo> Terkhen: there certainly is one 08:30:04 <Terkhen> ok :) 08:30:39 <Terkhen> then it is possible to "forbid" tunnels that way 08:35:43 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:35:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 08:35:54 <peter1138> It is only me. 08:36:03 <peter1138> There is no need for the lavish celebrations. 08:36:14 <NGC3982> celebrations of what? 08:36:19 <peter1138> My arrival. 08:36:23 <NGC3982> ah, i see 08:36:25 <NGC3982> yey 08:36:29 <Terkhen> hi peter1138 08:42:09 <Alberth> I am sorry, but your manager failed to inform us of your intention to arrive here at this hour. Had we known, we would have given you a more warm welcome. 08:42:09 <Alberth> None the less, welcome to our humble establishment, I hope you have a pleasant stay here. 08:42:39 <peter1138> You see, I have just stated that such action is unnecessary at this current time. 08:43:08 * NGC3982 hastes making a cake 08:43:53 <peter1138> Cakes, and indeed other perishable foodstuffs, can be purchased for very reasonable prices from your local supermarket. 08:44:23 <NGC3982> dont you dismantle the soul of NGC made cake ;_;. 08:44:37 * NGC3982 makes a cake for his employees all the time 08:44:51 <NGC3982> it's a fun way of celebrating non-relevant dates and stuff. 08:45:16 <NGC3982> http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/248257_10150186356005814_2230733_n.jpg 08:45:21 <NGC3982> at towel day. 08:45:28 <NGC3982> http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/305207_10150497892202785_1109489621_n.jpg 08:45:35 <peter1138> Please refer to http://www.cakewrecks.com/ for explicit examples on what to avoid when making a cake at home. 08:45:37 <NGC3982> at the swedish "teeth brushing" day. 08:46:14 <Eddi|zuHause> you brush your teeth once a year? 08:46:18 <NGC3982> http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/303401_10151008883462785_1923097243_n.jpg 08:46:23 <NGC3982> at the international chocolate day 08:46:38 <peter1138> NGC3982, I wish to employ you. 08:46:54 <Alberth> NGC3982: do you have enough days in a year? 08:46:59 * NGC3982 is usually the employer. 08:47:09 <Markk> Eddi|zuHause: NGC3982 does. 08:47:27 <NGC3982> for instance, i could have made a cake so celebrate lots of stuff today 08:47:42 <NGC3982> the coronation of alexander the third 08:48:01 <Markk> Do you want to make your employees fat? 08:48:02 <NGC3982> or the treaty of berlin 08:48:07 <NGC3982> Markk: indeed. 08:48:14 <NGC3982> i want them stuck in their chairs. 08:48:17 <Markk> :D 08:49:19 <NGC3982> actually, in an empirical fashion - cakes is a great loyality-increase per currency spent. 08:49:43 <NGC3982> i actually believe i can measure it statisticly. 08:50:00 <NGC3982> removing the coffee machine made a 15% change in sale statistics, for instance. 08:50:08 * NGC3982 loves call center data management. 08:51:22 <NGC3982> Markk: did you install supreme commander? 08:51:36 <Markk> no 08:51:39 <NGC3982> i havent tried it yet. 08:51:52 <Markk> I had stuff to do last night. 08:52:42 <NGC3982> i know 08:52:49 <NGC3982> i didnt really wait 08:53:11 <NGC3982> it was just fun to antagonize you :p 08:54:14 <Markk> :) 08:54:18 <Markk> Yes, I noticed that. 08:54:38 <Markk> I get a notice in my phone ever time someone hilights me. 08:54:45 <NGC3982> oh, haha. 08:54:50 <Markk> (But with a spamfilter, so no more than once a minute) 08:54:58 <Markk> every* 08:55:06 * NGC3982 plans a devious script. 09:01:24 <peter1138> 1440 notices a day... 09:03:17 <Terkhen> meh 09:03:17 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:03:28 <Terkhen> now I want cake 09:03:34 <Terkhen> thank yoy 09:03:38 <Terkhen> you 09:03:50 <Terkhen> hi FLHerne 09:04:13 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 09:06:15 <FLHerne> hi :-) 09:31:29 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 09:35:11 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:44:13 <Eddi|zuHause> why is it whenever i play a "random" culture in widelands, i get imperium? 09:45:13 <peter1138> random.seed(0) 09:50:16 <__ln__> zomg, there are cultures in ottd now 09:53:37 <Terkhen> Eddi|zuHause: will I lose much time of my life if I try that game? 09:53:53 <Eddi|zuHause> if you liked settlers, possibly :) 09:56:40 <Terkhen> I never tried it :P 10:05:37 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D9BA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 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for that many people :) 15:07:48 <Alberth> if you'd put them all in one physical room, they'd make a lot more noise :) 15:09:18 <Bolsiq> or they would kill each other ;) 15:09:46 <planetmaker> we tested with a small sub-sample. Nothing of that sort happend. Rather pie eating 15:10:09 <V453000> xD 15:10:42 <Alberth> Bolsiq: nah, OpenTTD is a family friendly game, no need to carry weapons here 15:11:15 <planetmaker> except our fighter plane and attack helicopter ;-) 15:11:22 <V453000> he didnt say anybody kills anyone with weapons? :) 15:11:40 <Alberth> planetmaker: ssshhhttt ! don't tell about our backup :p 15:12:15 <Bolsiq> you can destroy cars usign trains ;) 15:13:00 <Alberth> I'd be destroying my own road vehicles, that's not smart as tycoon :) 15:13:01 *** cyph3r_ [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:18:24 <Bolsiq> freerct lol 15:31:23 <Alberth> ? 15:41:48 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:56 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has joined #openttd 15:42:02 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.3.73] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:47:31 *** Bolsiq [~Cracov@77-253-152-39.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:27 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:17:47 *** levelbylevel [~ideas@host81-149-38-109.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Quit: levelbylevel] 16:19:49 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:30:52 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:17 *** daniel_ [~daniel@c-24-20-56-126.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:08 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 16:43:15 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:43:34 * Rubidium wonders whether freerct has 'security checkpoints' at the entrance of the park 16:49:14 <planetmaker> they probably have land-air-missile launch sites ;-) 16:51:10 <planetmaker> and marines at the checkpoints, of course 16:54:44 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:12 <andythenorth> shall we fix rivers? 16:57:36 <planetmaker> fix as in...? 16:58:04 <andythenorth> 1. replace river if bulldozed 16:58:15 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.134.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:58:51 <andythenorth> 2. measure length of river when constructing (pathfinder probly knows); divide by 5 to get n tiles; from first coast tile, work backwards for n tiles, making river wider 16:58:58 <andythenorth> creates deltas 16:59:13 <andythenorth> Alberth had ideas for 1 maybe? 17:02:23 <andythenorth> hmm 17:02:32 * andythenorth ponders redrawing everything for 2x zoom 17:02:35 <andythenorth> due to bad eyes 17:02:44 <andythenorth> but then my eyes will be screwed by drawing :P 17:02:45 <andythenorth> a 17:02:52 <andythenorth> then I'll need 4x zoom :P 17:07:47 <Terkhen> it would probably be simpler to disable bulldozing rivers completely 17:08:00 <Terkhen> as Yet Another Setting 17:08:22 <andythenorth> it would break overbuilding with canals 17:08:27 <andythenorth> but that's broken anyway :P 17:09:09 <andythenorth> stupidly expensive to overbuild river with canal 17:10:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:10:44 <Wolf01> hello 17:17:20 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-103-33.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:18:12 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 17:19:13 <FLHerne> Can NML do macros? 17:21:05 <FLHerne> If so, how? If not, how do I define multiple near-identical spritelayout/switch/item blocks? 17:22:13 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.76.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:27 <andythenorth> you can do spriteset templates 17:22:29 <andythenorth> but not macros 17:22:31 <andythenorth> what languages do you know / line? 17:22:33 <andythenorth> like /s 17:23:03 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-247.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:01 <FLHerne> Various kinds of BASIC, a little C. Not a serious programmer :P 17:24:22 <andythenorth> you can use the c-pre-processor 17:24:29 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.134.150] has joined #openttd 17:24:49 <FLHerne> I tried to put spritelayout blocks in templates, but it didn't work :-( 17:24:59 <andythenorth> if you use CPP, you will get support here 17:25:03 <andythenorth> depending on who is in channel 17:25:11 <FLHerne> Thanks 17:25:19 <andythenorth> if the people who can help are not here, you may get laughed at and told you are using the wrong tool 17:25:19 <FLHerne> I'll try that then 17:25:27 <andythenorth> I would use python, but you'd have to learn new things 17:26:10 <Terkhen> besides that, you can also use the openttdcoop devzone makefile framework, which has support for CPP 17:26:38 <Terkhen> or patiently wait for this to be implemented: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3637 17:27:23 <andythenorth> or do this http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=58390 17:27:36 <andythenorth> templating with python is insanely easy, but seems to have a fear factor 17:27:42 <FLHerne> So at least I haven't created an entirely unnecessary problem for myself :P 17:28:08 <FLHerne> If someone's already considered it, there must be some valid reason to encounter it :D 17:28:18 *** Mazur [~mazur@546984B2.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:23 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-103-33.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:30 <andythenorth> FIRS and OpenGFC extras are templated with CPP 17:28:34 <andythenorth> BANDIT and FISH are python 17:28:44 <andythenorth> CETS is a different sort of python 17:34:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24397 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files): 17:34:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:34:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: korean - 11 changes by telk5093 17:34:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 96 changes by Tucalipe 17:34:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 17:34:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 1 changes by nglekhoi 17:38:01 *** Mazur [~mazur@546984B2.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:22 <Alberth> FLHerne: alternatively, you can extend NML to have template support :p 17:39:37 <Alberth> Rubidium: freerct has no gates at all, currently 17:40:10 <Alberth> andythenorth: I agree with Terkhen, make them non-deletable 17:41:59 <andythenorth> +0.9 17:42:06 <andythenorth> so how to handle canals case? 17:42:28 <Terkhen> don't 17:42:31 <andythenorth> no locks? 17:42:43 <Terkhen> nothing could be built over rivers 17:43:56 <Alberth> river and canal are both water, I fail to see a problem in keeping rivers, tbh 17:44:24 <andythenorth> no bulldoze = no lock building 17:44:29 <TWerkhoven> would that also prohibit terraforming if it affects a river-tile? 17:44:30 <andythenorth> no lock building = no river transport 17:45:12 <andythenorth> otherwise I'm +1 17:45:34 <Alberth> how is bulldoze == lock building? 17:45:58 * andythenorth should read the code 17:46:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00891d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:20 <Alberth> maybe the code is wrong :) 17:46:25 <Alberth> hi frosch 17:46:50 <andythenorth> building a lock on river costs (destruction cost + lock cost) so I assume it calls some destruction related stuff 17:46:58 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:02 * andythenorth didn't check ;) 17:47:05 <frosch123> hai 17:47:19 <andythenorth> my point being only, we might need to special case / fix locks 17:47:41 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:04 <Alberth> I would expect so, you'd need to check for water being a river somewhere 17:50:32 <andythenorth> FLHerne: templating repeating code with the python built-in templater is trivial, I am reading my own tutorial to remember how :P 17:58:13 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 18:05:34 <pasky> hmm, I'm trying to play with ECS but it's a bit painful since it requires building huge swathes of supply chains pretty much at once - is that just how it is or is there any trick to it? 18:06:12 <andythenorth> use cheats 18:06:15 <andythenorth> oops 18:06:18 <pasky> :)) 18:06:18 * andythenorth is being silly 18:06:51 <Alberth> industries like sandpit provide cargo to start, don't they? 18:07:10 <Alberth> it has been several years since I last played ECS 18:10:26 <andythenorth> hmmm 18:10:26 <andythenorth> what can I complain about today? :) 18:10:26 <andythenorth> I fixed my python, so that's no good for complaints 18:10:50 <Alberth> you mentioned rivers already too 18:11:23 <Alberth> do you have thoughts about the pyramid thingie? 18:12:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AA5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:48 <andythenorth> I will later 18:14:56 <andythenorth> when I've written more code 18:15:03 <andythenorth> it's a silly pointless project though :) 18:15:35 <pasky> Alberth: yes, in the beginning, getting money is fine with small circuits like coal or sand + coal; but once one wants to involve factories, many things must come together at once... but i just figured that i should start by doing multiple circuits of different raw materials and grow from there up instead of looking at a factory and trying to satisfy its dependencies 18:16:07 <Alberth> pasky: ok, I never got that far 18:18:43 <andythenorth> Alberth: I'm considering I can 'just' provide a browser view on the app that renders the grf, then pushes it back out as a tar :P 18:18:50 <andythenorth> via the browser 18:18:59 <andythenorth> kind of silly 18:20:19 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:45 *** Bolsiq [~Cracov@77-253-152-39.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 18:27:50 *** daniel_ is now known as Runner11 18:37:35 <Alberth> tbh, I still don't understand how you connect a browserto the configuration process, but maybe that's just me 18:38:03 <andythenorth> tbh, it's probably just me :P 18:38:57 <andythenorth> I'm not even sure that editing config data in the browser is easier than editing in text editor 18:40:16 <Alberth> depends on the data and the editor :p 18:45:47 * andythenorth has learnt some things about SSD failure rates and is backing up 18:46:34 <Alberth> :) 18:48:17 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-127-39.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:50:22 *** Bolsiq [~Cracov@77-253-152-39.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:19 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-121-121.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:11 <Belugas> #Old man take a look at my life 18:56:16 <Belugas> #I'm a lot like you were 18:57:26 <planetmaker> :-) 18:58:41 <andythenorth> and the silver spoon 19:02:58 *** Supercheese [~chatzilla@50-37-107-68.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:28 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.134.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:24 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 19:32:10 <andythenorth> "Welcome to Pyramid. Sorry for the convenience." :P 19:37:09 <Alberth> it seems pretty simple for making a website 19:37:27 <Alberth> within certain boundaries probably 19:38:13 <andythenorth> I just discovered this buildout on github, which simplified install 19:38:14 <andythenorth> https://github.com/svx/pyramid-buildout 19:39:59 * andythenorth considers for bed 19:40:09 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I sent you a very incomplete CHIPS-object grf. Thanks to you and Alberth for prompting me into trying to be productive :D 19:40:26 <andythenorth> did you try templating? ;) 19:40:57 <FLHerne> I did, but failed :-( Maybe tomorrow 19:41:35 <andythenorth> how do I find objects in game? 19:41:40 <andythenorth> nvm 19:41:54 <Alberth> look carefully :) 19:42:18 <FLHerne> Just realised they need a flag to allow overbuilding 19:42:20 <andythenorth> objects don't overbuild? :o 19:42:41 <FLHerne> Which is the correct order of comments there? 19:42:41 <andythenorth> ok, so they build on corner-coasts, I see why you want them 19:43:02 <andythenorth> FLHerne: ignore overbuilding comment from me, I didn't know if was a flag 19:43:40 <andythenorth> what do the new object gui buttons do? 19:43:48 <andythenorth> there's a grid of 4 below the list 19:43:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-16-222.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:44:22 <FLHerne> andythenorth: You can build bridges over them, too :-) 19:44:45 <FLHerne> Also, which buttons? 19:45:31 <andythenorth> they look like they might select orientations or such 19:45:39 <andythenorth> selecting one changes the available objects 19:45:51 * andythenorth fails to understand new objects tbh 19:46:06 <andythenorth> but this grf looks nice ;) 19:47:54 <FLHerne> They should be orientations 19:48:11 <FLHerne> But different orientations of flat tiles look the same anyway 19:48:32 <FLHerne> Added overbuilding flag now :-) 19:56:36 * andythenorth -> bed 19:56:37 <andythenorth> good night 20:00:41 <Terkhen> good night andythenorth 20:01:30 <Alberth> good night andy 20:03:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:07:58 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 20:16:33 <Supercheese> Oooh, CHIPS tiles as objects? Very much want 20:20:47 <FLHerne> Not finished yet :P 20:21:18 <Supercheese> Need any coding help? Menial tasks you want to outsource to a cheap laborer? :P 20:24:59 <FLHerne> I'm still figuring out how to do the menial tasks :P 20:25:15 <FLHerne> Seems an easy first grf :-) 20:28:56 <Supercheese> Indeed 20:36:35 <Terkhen> good night 20:36:59 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:08 <dihedral> o/ 20:41:11 <Chris_Booth> dihedral! 20:41:16 <Chris_Booth> fuck me, how are you? 20:55:22 <dihedral> no thank you - but i am well :-D 20:56:15 <Chris_Booth> lol 20:56:29 <Chris_Booth> not in that way Mr dihedral 20:56:39 <dihedral> :-P 20:57:35 <Chris_Booth> have you been hiding from the openttd world? 20:57:44 <dihedral> i have been very busy 20:58:05 <dihedral> sadly 20:58:23 *** snorre [~snorre@c1A0FBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:58:41 <Chris_Booth> nice to hear, last 18 months have been the same for me sadly 21:02:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00891d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:53 <Supercheese> So, I'm wanting to start up a non-OTTD-related project on Google Code; I've never used any version control system before, and Subversion, Mercurial, and Git are offered. Which should I choose? 21:12:19 <Chris_Booth> Git 21:12:45 <Supercheese> That's one vote for Git 21:12:59 <dihedral> hg 21:13:26 <Supercheese> hg? 21:13:31 <dihedral> mercurial 21:13:37 <Supercheese> One for mercurial... 21:13:44 <dihedral> and that will not work ;-) 21:13:48 <Supercheese> ? 21:13:54 <Wolf01> svn 21:13:55 <dihedral> asking us what we prefer 21:13:58 <Chris_Booth> dude Git has way more support for novice developers 21:13:59 <dihedral> see 21:14:38 <dihedral> you will get one opinion more than active people in this channel ... at least 21:14:54 <dihedral> hg and git are very similar 21:15:18 <glx> but on windows hg works better 21:15:58 <dihedral> glx, still? as far as i could say, git works ok now under windows, too 21:16:10 * Chris_Booth is not sure 21:16:18 <Chris_Booth> I also suggest investing in a Mac 21:16:23 <glx> last time I tried it worked but was very slow 21:16:35 <Supercheese> I do not want any Apple computer, thanks 21:17:00 <Nat_aS> screw apple 21:17:19 <Supercheese> ^ that, more or less 21:17:32 <Nat_aS> remember when they were the heroic underdogs? 21:17:37 * Chris_Booth hide from that haters 21:17:49 <Nat_aS> now they are just professional patent trolls. 21:18:50 <Chris_Booth> now they make the most ruggid laptops 21:19:02 <Supercheese> Oh, well there's a page on Google code itself "ChoosingAVersionControlSystem" 21:19:10 <Supercheese> Wasn't well advertised 21:19:15 <Nat_aS> I'm pretty sure Panasonic's toughbooks are the most rugged. 21:19:17 <FLHerne> They always made the best laptops :P 21:19:34 <Nat_aS> but if you are talking form an average consumer standpoint 21:19:51 <Nat_aS> I will admit there aluminum shells are quite snazzy 21:19:56 <Nat_aS> even if it jacks up the price 21:19:59 * FLHerne has working Apple laptops from 1994 to 2005 :P 21:20:09 <FLHerne> They just don't break :-) 21:20:36 <glx> the battery is dead way before ;) 21:20:47 <glx> (and it's not replacable) 21:20:52 <Nat_aS> I'm currently using an Asus G1 from 2007 21:20:58 <Nat_aS> which is absoltly broken 21:21:03 <Nat_aS> absolutely even 21:21:25 <Nat_aS> but it's cheaper, and has more power than a comparable machine from the same year by apple 21:21:29 <FLHerne> glx: It's replaceable on all the ones I have... 21:21:32 <Nat_aS> and that's what's important. 21:22:04 <Nat_aS> you can pay for aluminum, I'll spend my money on an actual computer. 21:22:21 <glx> FLHerne: you're lucky :) 21:22:43 <FLHerne> Nat_aS: Depends, really. They cost more, but last longer. My G4 still outperforms some modern netbooks :D 21:22:57 <Nat_aS> some 21:23:21 <Nat_aS> the definition of some includes shitty HPs 21:23:27 <FLHerne> Nat_aS: All but the fancy AMD Fusion/Dual-core Atom ones 21:23:30 <glx> now apple tends to use glue everywhere 21:23:33 <Nat_aS> I buy a new laptop every few years to stay up to date. 21:24:01 <FLHerne> glx: Only the Airs and retina MBP are non-replaceable, IIRC? 21:24:08 <Supercheese> Nice, 5GB hosting free 21:24:19 <Supercheese> 4GB* 21:24:40 <glx> FLHerne: yes but as users seems to like those, the next ones will be similar 21:26:05 <FLHerne> glx: Unfortunately so. I haven't bought an Intel Mac yet, and I don't intend to... :-( 21:27:07 <Nat_aS> anyways, having Apple software tied to the hardware removes any value from it 21:27:22 <Nat_aS> it dosn't matter how sturdy it is, it will allways be a mac 21:27:32 <FLHerne> From the software or hardware? 21:27:41 <Nat_aS> both 21:27:57 <FLHerne> Windows and Linux will both run fine on modern Macs :D 21:28:13 <FLHerne> Linux > OSX, definitely 21:28:17 <Nat_aS> I know that, but it's still only designed to work with apple hardware 21:28:32 <Nat_aS> whereas PCs are 100% modular and interchangeable. 21:28:43 <Nat_aS> you can build a PC in a cave with a box of scraps 21:28:51 <FLHerne> PC laptops aren't normally, though 21:28:55 <Nat_aS> true 21:29:09 <FLHerne> RAM and harddrive, but then that applies to most Apple ones too 21:29:19 <Nat_aS> you do have a fair point 21:29:37 <Nat_aS> but I'm still opposed to apple for reasons unrelated to there snazzy aluminum notebooks. 21:29:56 <glx> well Apple now solder RAM directly on motherboard 21:30:03 <Nat_aS> and I like being able to right click without having to attach a USB mouse :P 21:30:04 <Nat_aS> they do? 21:30:06 <Nat_aS> lame 21:30:24 <FLHerne> Too much emphasis on 'thin' :-( 21:30:47 <Nat_aS> things being soddered directly onto the motherboard and then breaking requiring the whole thing to be replaced, is responsible for most laptop repairs for me 21:31:09 <Nat_aS> I don't know how they earn a profit if the whole motherborad gets replaced once a waranty cycle for me 21:31:21 <Nat_aS> blach 21:31:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0/20120710123126]] 21:31:24 <Nat_aS> motherboard 21:31:28 <FLHerne> I'd be happy to buy a 2" thick laptop if it had a huge battery and standardised hardware :-) 21:31:31 <Nat_aS> and yeah, thin is Ehh 21:31:36 <FLHerne> No-one sells them, though :-( 21:31:36 <glx> they don't replace the motherboard, they give you a new laptop 21:31:49 <Nat_aS> Small is nice, but if things are too thin, they become impractical 21:32:02 <Nat_aS> like my Android phone is wider at the top because of the antenna 21:32:26 <Nat_aS> the rest of the phone could be wider, but they just wanted it to be as thin as possible 21:32:38 <Nat_aS> but that means if it's laying flat, it's leaning away from you 21:32:41 <Nat_aS> which is silly 21:33:04 <FLHerne> My PB1400 has hot-swappable floppy/zip/CD/battery/pen drawer, you can't get that any more either :P 21:33:23 <Nat_aS> lol 21:33:32 <Nat_aS> i hate optical media so much 21:33:44 <Nat_aS> although laptops need more USB slots 21:33:49 <Nat_aS> why is the standard now three 21:33:54 <Nat_aS> my G1 had 4! 21:34:02 <Nat_aS> I want a laptop with 6 slots dammit! 21:34:09 <glx> laptops often miss firewire too 21:34:21 <Nat_aS> I'd rather have lots of ports than an optical drive 21:34:24 <Supercheese> I don't think I've ever used firewire... 21:34:31 <Nat_aS> because then I can attatch an optical drive with one of them 21:34:54 <FLHerne> At least modern laptops have them... Who thought SCSI was a good idea for external connections on a laptop!? :o 21:35:03 <Nat_aS> optical drives are moving parts, which is bad for a portable device 21:35:38 <Nat_aS> I mean modern Hard drives are safe enough, but optical drives are still bulky and noisy 21:35:58 * FLHerne goes to bed 21:36:02 <FLHerne> 'night 21:36:02 <dihedral> <glx> last time I tried it worked but was very slow <- it was not a repository on a network share, was it? :-P 21:36:04 <Nat_aS> night 21:36:12 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:36:26 <TWerkhoven> replace the optical drive with an extra hdd 21:36:46 <dihedral> and run raid 1? 21:36:52 <TWerkhoven> or 0 21:36:58 <TWerkhoven> if your feeling adventurous 21:37:12 <TWerkhoven> or just loads of storage 21:37:27 <dihedral> TWerkhoven, raid 0 is the biggest crap ever! 21:37:47 <dihedral> wrt. raid :-P 21:37:50 <Nat_aS> when the waranty on my Vaio runs off I'll do that 21:37:54 <TWerkhoven> i am aware 21:37:56 <Nat_aS> maybe even an SSD 21:38:00 <dihedral> :-P 21:38:05 <dihedral> i thought you might be :-D 21:38:10 <Nat_aS> one thing i don't like is how big it is 21:38:14 <TWerkhoven> not much redundant about it 21:38:21 <Nat_aS> I mean i like it when I sit down and have a numpad and wide screen 21:38:29 <Nat_aS> but I don't like it when I can't fit it in my backpack 21:38:41 <Nat_aS> oh well, my phone is faster than some laptops now 21:38:47 <Nat_aS> and I have my shitty netbook 21:39:10 <dihedral> i'd only go with ssd in a laptop currently 21:39:41 <Nat_aS> well it will be a while before I'm ready for a new computer, esp after getting this phone 21:39:43 <dihedral> i dislike too many turning things and noisy things in laptops 21:39:50 <Nat_aS> but I'm not sure what the peremeters will be 21:39:54 <Nat_aS> maybe no moving parts though 21:39:58 <Nat_aS> (well discounting the fan) 21:40:05 <Nat_aS> or maybe I'll try building a PC 21:40:28 <Nat_aS> I have no use for optical media though 21:40:47 <Nat_aS> I pirate all my movies and music, and get all my games from Steam 21:41:01 <Nat_aS> I only use disks for booting shit when things break 21:41:05 <Nat_aS> and I try a USB key first 21:41:18 <TWerkhoven> sounds familiar 21:42:08 <TWerkhoven> saves a lot of hassle with a cheap cd/dvd-r 21:42:17 <TWerkhoven> and drives not being able to read em 21:42:28 <Nat_aS> I want to see optical media die 21:42:53 <dihedral> i do not even have an optical drive 21:42:54 <Nat_aS> I wish Steve jobs had tried to kill it the same way he did with Floppies. flash on mobile devices, and right clicking 21:43:13 <Nat_aS> i mean the air dosn't have a optical drive 21:43:19 <Nat_aS> no do iThings 21:43:35 <Nat_aS> but if he didn't put those neat little slot loaders on everything 21:43:48 <Nat_aS> he could have pushed completly digital distribution 21:43:53 <Nat_aS> and people would have eaten it up 21:44:09 <Nat_aS> and now he's dead so he can't influence markets through sheer charisma. 21:46:58 *** Supercheese [~chatzilla@50-37-107-68.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 22:00:32 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:15:35 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08e7e9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 22:38:22 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:38:40 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:39:17 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 22:42:28 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:42:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:55:08 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 23:30:35 *** kkimlabs__ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 23:30:35 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]