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00:05:12 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:15:22 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@177.96.120.26] has joined #openttd 00:15:48 <drush> goddamnit unicode enable doesn't work 00:18:04 <drush> oh mercy 00:18:05 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.77.203] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:21 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.77.203] has joined #openttd 00:22:12 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.14.80.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:29 <drush> ladies, gentlemen, and others, 00:24:42 <drush> http://pastebin.com/aLLiwTBA if anyone has got anything to say about this, please tell me in pm 00:25:06 <drush> because I'm going to bed now and posts from now may not appear in my scrollback 00:25:12 <drush> thank you and goodnight 00:35:13 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.15.129] has joined #openttd 01:00:15 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 01:19:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-68-227-156.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:21:10 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:52 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:07 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 01:40:47 <V453000> does anyone have an idea what is "full power only under 25kV" supposed to mean in dutch train set? 01:49:41 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:496d:39fc:8279:3ae9] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:14:11 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 02:22:06 <Pinkbeast> V453: different electriciation schemes? 02:22:33 <V453000> but of what 02:22:46 <V453000> there is only one el rail 02:23:00 <V453000> or is it related to the engines anyhow? 02:32:38 <Pinkbeast> There's multiple electrification schemes in some track newgrfs: or it could be an electric with a small diesel engine - there's one in UKRS2 02:33:08 <V453000> I assume that is to come with dutch trackset 02:33:10 <michi_cc> V453000: You're supposed to use the dutch track set as well. 02:33:37 <V453000> why isnt it in the train set if it is required .. 02:33:47 <V453000> if you basically cant use the train set alone 02:34:32 <V453000> but thanks :) 02:35:19 <michi_cc> If they coded it sanely, plain elrail will count for maximum power. 02:35:46 <V453000> it doesnt :z 02:36:13 <V453000> in a game without d. track set trains have reduced power ... the 25kV trains that is 02:39:53 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 02:44:55 *** pugi_ [~pugi@host-091-097-005-112.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 02:46:54 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-033-148.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:55 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 03:05:26 *** welshdragon [~mark@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:13:12 *** welshdragon [~mark@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 03:16:34 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@f72217.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:22 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:46:00 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 03:48:50 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@177.96.120.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CDBC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:57:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D4C4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:31:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4844.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:32:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66F08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:45:46 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-226-47.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:00:09 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:07 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 06:28:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:32:09 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I had the idea that industry grfs might also ship a metadata file 06:32:33 <andythenorth> config file format or such, providing each industry's labour requirement, type of industry etc 06:32:44 <andythenorth> *not* in the grf, by design 06:33:16 <andythenorth> GS would be able to use it. GS authors would also be able to substitute a modified metadata file 06:33:59 <andythenorth> might be a stinky idea, don't know. But I think some kind of indirection is needed to do anything interesting. 06:38:40 <telanus> morrrrrning 06:53:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:56:18 <Phazorx> morning 07:03:28 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-89-11.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:03:55 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-224-111-173-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 07:26:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: what would a meta-file achieve that a newgrf property can't? 07:45:48 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-210-226-47.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 07:47:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 07:49:28 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-226-47.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:50:26 <NGC3982> Morning, people and aliens. 07:54:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:06:28 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@132.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 08:07:18 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.15.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:11 *** TheDude [~Miranda@gatekeeper.amit.cz] has joined #openttd 08:20:06 <TrueBrain> how did you know I was an alien? 08:20:14 <TrueBrain> that is suppose to be a secret dammit 08:21:57 * NGC3982 actually refered to PM but thanks for the new information. 08:27:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:27:50 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: GS author / scenario author can't modify the newgrf to suit their purposes 08:28:14 <andythenorth> doesn't require maintaining the newgrf tools to understand new props? 08:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a horrible idea 08:28:43 <andythenorth> :) 08:31:32 <__ln__> good morning all and the swedes 08:31:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 08:34:32 <dihedral> hello 08:43:47 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.97.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:10 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0832ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:57 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 09:44:45 *** TheDude [~Miranda@gatekeeper.amit.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:48:44 *** TheDude [~Miranda@gatekeeper.amit.cz] has joined #openttd 09:50:21 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:01:49 <Terkhen> good morning 10:09:05 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:09:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 10:11:39 <telanus1> morning 10:16:14 <Terkhen> hi peter1138 and telanus1 10:16:25 <peter1138> Hi Hi 10:17:27 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 10:27:02 *** telanus1 is now known as telanus 10:28:50 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:30:53 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:37 <__ln__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185494/Olympics-2012-Parkinsons-sufferer-Mark-Worsfold-54-arrested-police-smiling-cycling-road-race.html 10:38:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ooold! 10:47:35 <szaman> let me guess, he doesn't have facebook account? :] 10:50:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have a facebook account... 10:50:59 <szaman> aren't you afraid? 10:52:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid of facebook 10:53:04 <szaman> and you're not afraid of CIA? 10:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm more afraid of facebook than of CIA 10:54:14 <Markk> Same here. 10:54:24 <szaman> well, me too :] 10:54:28 <Markk> Because we don't live in the US and A. 10:54:41 <szaman> we're all americans today 10:54:46 <Markk> :) 10:55:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, technically, the CIA can't get active within the USA, only outside 10:55:13 <Markk> oh 10:55:15 <Markk> That's true. 10:55:31 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what they have FBI and NSA for 10:55:34 <Markk> And they collect a huge amount of data about us anyway, don't they? 10:55:35 <szaman> facebook is active worldwide, so CIA 10:55:54 <Markk> Eddi|zuHause: Exactly, through NSA. 10:57:09 <drush> omg facebook 10:57:33 <drush> I already have enough automated telemarketers calling me during work hours 10:57:55 <drush> I don't need Turdenberg to sell my dox to anyone more 11:01:07 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable133.8-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 11:01:22 <drac_boy> hi 11:01:42 <drush> hi 11:07:26 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:33 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:10:19 <drac_boy> how're you drush? 11:10:42 <drush> pretty good, advancing the build, but not there yet 11:11:08 <drush> you? 11:12:16 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 11:13:38 <drac_boy> heh 11:13:39 <drac_boy> doing ok 11:15:47 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:08 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:20:20 <drac_boy> thinking about maybe working a bit on the grf this week but will have to see 11:21:30 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 11:24:57 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:09 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 11:31:13 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [] 11:32:49 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 11:36:25 *** drush [~drush@80-254-76-154.dynamic.swissvpn.net] has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 11:40:41 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:40:58 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 11:53:40 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:57:16 <NGC3982> What kind of country still allows automated telemarketing? 12:01:18 <__ln__> in what way automated? 12:01:43 <szaman> in poland sometimes phone rings, you answer, and then you wait for caller, i don't know anyone who waited enough to hear the caller :P 12:07:16 <peter1138> Got to love IO wait. Got an 8 core 8GB machine crawling due to an rsync... 12:09:43 <szaman> IO to/from disk? 12:09:52 <szaman> or net 12:09:57 <peter1138> IO to disk. 12:10:12 <peter1138> Network doesn't block other stuff. 12:10:49 <szaman> there must be something wrong with the driver 12:11:34 <szaman> or, you use 2.x linux kernel :] 12:12:03 <peter1138> No, it's just slow disks. 12:12:17 <Warod> why do you use slow disks!? ;P 12:12:29 <szaman> maybe this is rsync to tapes :] 12:12:30 <peter1138> While having a huge block of data to write, it'll be slower loading data off it, of course. 12:14:11 <peter1138> Warod, because they're 2TB drives, and, if they exist, 15k SAS versions of those will be $lots. 12:15:02 <Warod> Well, if you're using slow drives on purpose, I see no point complaining about it. ;) 12:15:18 <NGC3982> __ln__: I don't know, but i guess drush refered to autodialer systems. 12:15:50 <peter1138> I'm not :-) 12:15:52 <Warod> I suffer from small HDD space on my laptop on purpose.. Because I can live with 120 GB of HDD on my laptop. But NOT with waiting stuff to happen all the time. 12:15:54 <peter1138> Just idly mentioning. 12:16:00 <szaman> Warod: it wasn't complaining, it was expresing love :] 12:16:11 <peter1138> FWIW, the machine is overspecced CPU & RAM wise as that's what I had available... 12:16:32 <Warod> ^^ 12:16:43 <peter1138> Warod, then you want SSD? 12:16:49 <Warod> I have an SSD. :) 12:17:00 <peter1138> :-) 12:17:03 <Warod> Windows VM boots in like... 10 seconds. :> 12:17:21 <peter1138> And yeah, I know having the OS on the 2TB drives as well as the data is a bit silly, but, hey, there are only 2 drive slots. 12:17:41 <peter1138> Normally you'd have a couple of small fast drives for the OS and delegate the rest to a SAN. 12:18:15 <Warod> If this MBP was my own, I'd throw out the optical drive and put second HDD in. 12:18:29 <peter1138> heh 12:18:38 <Warod> But that'd ruin the warranty, so... 12:27:47 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 12:30:36 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable133.8-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 12:32:41 *** TheDude [~Miranda@gatekeeper.amit.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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15:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you can make it load your old savegames, but savegames you make with this version will (probably) never work in a newer version with or without the patch 15:16:23 <Eddi|zuHause> to do that, you have to increase SAVEGAME_VERSION (in saveload.cpp or so) and put that new version in the "from" field of the added setting 15:16:25 <agaran> i see, blah, so in order to get anything useable in future i need to get patch put to release somehow or forget 15:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it is theoretically possible to make this more flexible, so with some work you can update the version without losing your savegames, but this is way more complicated 15:18:36 <agaran> so any patch that causes changes in settings.ini ruins this? 15:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:19:24 <agaran> so whole point of patching goes /dev/null for me then, unless local copy for toying moment or two.. bad 15:20:06 <agaran> anyway that train slow to speed of previous one works fine on release (plus/minus patch aplying by hand when necesary) 15:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> unfortunately, the whole setting system is only prepared for linear development 15:21:23 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not optimal, but it's what we got 15:21:26 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:38 <agaran> sure i understand 15:22:10 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:17 <agaran> just hoped there is workaround for that 15:22:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why my level crossing patch has no setting change intentionally 15:22:56 <Eddi|zuHause> even though it could use one 15:24:05 <agaran> i see, so forcing it always-on fixes problem by eliminating settings? 15:24:17 <agaran> setting is used to enable/disable this feature 15:24:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:25:05 <agaran> ok, thats way to go then for me :-) 15:25:06 <agaran> thanks 15:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also make the setting "not stored in savegames" 15:25:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it'S one of the flags 15:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> then it's in the config file only 15:25:44 <agaran> hmm, that plus making it on by config file is fine as well 15:26:14 * Rubidium hopes agaran doesn't use public multiplayer servers with that build 15:26:30 <agaran> Rubidium: how i can append something to version to get mismatch? 15:26:56 <agaran> hmm, right, i need 2 compilations with different directory names/binary names 15:27:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it does that automatically for trunk checkouts, but i don't know for releases 15:27:33 <Rubidium> it'll probably work for a proper tag checkout 15:27:56 <agaran> ised tarball since i had it locally, easier to modify .spec and add %patch10 -p1 ... 15:35:07 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 15:37:02 *** TrueBrain_ [~patric@ip82-139-83-21.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:10 *** TrueBrain [~patric@ip82-139-83-21.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:00 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:33 <agaran> Eddi|zuHause: SLF_NOT_IN_SAVE :-) 15:38:50 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 15:42:35 *** drush [~drush@80-254-76-235.dynamic.swissvpn.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> agaran: there's also a "in network save only" flag, that may be a little safer :) 15:44:13 <agaran> i dont play over network yet, wanted to try some patches i like, mostly because i wanted to find way to sort trains by reachable speed, but seems there is no patch for that 15:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause> there used to be a very ancient speed signs patch 15:44:43 <agaran> and using tracks and signals you can sort by length, but not speed to my knowledge, unless one make ff from logic train and speed detector etc 15:45:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffdea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:45:16 <agaran> i rather wanted to direct fast trains (ie empty not necesarly short) to one way of 2x2 lane, and rest to second 15:47:17 <agaran> another one patch i just tested is signals on bridge heads/tunel heads 15:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the one that doesn't work with path signals and thus is totally useless (for me)? 15:48:34 <agaran> yes, it dont work, and yes, i use patch signals, but it at least is move in good direction isn't? 15:48:43 <agaran> is there any other one? 15:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but that one definitely changes savegames... 15:48:58 <agaran> no it doesnt :) 15:49:13 <agaran> well, its settings doesnt 15:49:31 <agaran> i just wanted to try them with my saves, not to save with them then load back in not patched 15:54:55 *** TheDude [~Miranda@gatekeeper.amit.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:59:45 <agaran> Eddi|zuHause: found solution (few years old) to my problem, route markers.. 16:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i did say ancient :p 16:01:35 <agaran> well, but at least from description it looks like what i want, i can toy with making cpu from trains, but not when i want trains not cpu.. i can solder cpu from ttl chips on my workbench instead, or write one in verilog.. 16:06:07 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 16:14:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 16:15:31 <Wolf01> hello o/ 16:16:12 <agaran> hmm if in forum thread is more updated version of patch than attached in flyspray? 16:16:35 <agaran> FS#2258 for example 16:17:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:57 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 16:19:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:21:02 <Eddi|zuHause> agaran: do you trust that someone who updated the patch? 16:21:05 <andythenorth> Goedendag 16:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> you moved southwards? 16:21:30 <agaran> Eddi|zuHause: well no idea 16:29:16 *** keyy [~eee@host5.global.tygrys.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:29 <keyy> hello 16:29:43 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 16:29:44 <keyy> im trying to make my dedicated server 16:30:14 <keyy> and im wondering how to make goals and scripts for !cv !goal etc... 16:30:31 <keyy> can anyone give me some clues? 16:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause> those scripts are an external program that listens to the chat 16:36:52 <Eddi|zuHause> search for "autopilot" 16:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause> (does not include goals) 16:37:29 <__ln__> keyy: yes, free clue: please use apostrophes. 16:38:32 <keyy> thank you, im going to look for autopilot, and about goals what should i look 4? 16:48:07 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:51:01 <TrueBrain> this is not texting .. you can type 'for' .. it are not that many letters ;) 16:51:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "it are" doesn't really work either :) 16:52:49 <TrueBrain> that is merely a Dutch person wanting to type english; so stfu :P 16:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it's just strategically unwise to make mistakes while correcting others :) 16:55:50 <keyy> funny someone using "stfu" is against me using 4 :) 16:55:54 <TrueBrain> well, mister smartypants, if you bothered to read what I complained about, you would know it is not about the correct spelling and usage of english ;) 16:56:18 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:52 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: see it as purposely showing the spelling is not important; the lazyness is ;) (hehe, I wonder if I can talk myself out of it .. :P) 16:57:20 <keyy> not sure about that m8 :P 16:57:26 <TrueBrain> keyy: seriously, last warning 16:57:37 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: wtf r u tlkng 8bout, do u e4n no english? 16:57:46 *** TheDude [~Miranda@ip-86-49-102-148.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:57:56 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: you do understand I now have to kick you, else I am considered 'unfair' and 'biased', right? 16:58:03 <andythenorth> hah 16:58:07 * andythenorth needs a shower anyway 16:58:10 <TrueBrain> :D 16:58:16 <andythenorth> kick me, I have stuff to do :P 16:58:23 <andythenorth> you'll be helping me out ;) 16:58:25 <TheDude> hello 16:58:27 <TrueBrain> @kick andythenorth have a nice shower :D 16:58:27 *** andythenorth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [have a nice shower :D] 16:59:31 <keyy> sorry i was wrong it is not openttd channel, it is english learning channel 17:00:08 <TrueBrain> no, this is IRC, not a texting service where everything has to fit in 160 chars; but take it how ever you like, I don't really care :) 17:00:47 <keyy> so explain me what is the difference between using "4" and "stfu"? 17:02:00 <KenjiE20> stfu is an acronym, 4 is a numbe 17:02:02 <KenjiE20> number* 17:02:44 <keyy> i used "4" not as a number 17:02:58 <keyy> so i dont take your answer :) 17:03:28 <keyy> it is like saying "stfu" is four letters 17:09:31 <TrueBrain> @reload XMLRPC 17:09:31 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: The operation succeeded. 17:09:46 <TrueBrain> owh, someone already did that, how cute :) 17:10:10 <TrueBrain> @commit 17:10:10 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by translators :: r24464 /trunk/src/lang (korean.txt slovak.txt) (2012-08-12 17:45:13 UTC) 17:10:11 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:10:12 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: korean - 5 changes by telk5093 17:10:13 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: slovak - 19 changes by klingacik 17:10:22 <TrueBrain> hmm 17:11:00 <TrueBrain> @reload XMLRPC 17:11:01 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: The operation succeeded. 17:11:05 <TrueBrain> there we go :) 17:11:23 * TrueBrain pets DorpsGek 17:11:30 <DorpsGek> purr purr 17:20:14 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-005-112.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 17:34:35 *** namad8 [~aaaaa@pool-173-71-180-190.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:17 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-224-111-173-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: reboot] 17:35:41 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-173-71-180-190.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:36:00 <andythenorth> are there older changelogs online? 17:36:09 <andythenorth> for stable releases? 17:36:18 <Rubidium> andythenorth: yes 17:36:34 <andythenorth> linky? 17:36:39 <andythenorth> can't find them :P 17:37:01 <Rubidium> http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.2.1/changelog.txt <- guess the rest 17:38:32 <TrueBrain> we kinda keep everything :P 17:39:04 <andythenorth> thanks 17:40:53 <frosch123> you can also check the wiki 17:41:25 <frosch123> users filter the changelog there for what they consider noteable :p 17:42:26 * Rubidium ponders going through the wiki and marking most if not all pages with: is this notable? [source needed] and such 17:42:33 <frosch123> anyway, trunk changelog contains everything 17:43:01 <frosch123> hmm, actually... 1.2 branch changelog might be better 17:43:09 <Rubidium> so does changelog.txt of your stable release for the releases before that 17:44:05 <frosch123> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/export/24464/branches/1.2/changelog.txt <- otrta 17:45:49 <frosch123> "- Feature: Center windows properly in higher resolutions" <- we should use the keyword "feature" more liberally again 17:47:53 <andythenorth> :P 17:47:59 <andythenorth> Moar Features 17:48:02 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:01 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 18:17:01 <Yexo> good evening 18:17:12 <andythenorth> bonsoir 18:17:19 <Rubidium> 'lo Yexo 18:21:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24465 /trunk/src/lang/ (korean.txt slovak.txt turkish.txt): 18:21:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:21:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: korean - 1 changes by telk5093 18:21:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: slovak - 5 changes by klingacik 18:21:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: turkish - 78 changes by otrkmen 18:22:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 18:27:32 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 18:27:46 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:56 *** pjpe [ae5f411d@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:27:59 *** pjpe [ae5f411d@ircip4.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 18:41:36 *** welshdragon [~anonymous@cpc8-oxfd20-2-0-cust37.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:48:23 <andythenorth> la la la la la 18:48:26 <andythenorth> la la 18:49:01 <Rubidium> land? 18:49:24 <andythenorth> yeah 18:49:41 <andythenorth> did anyone figure out New Economy while I was in la la land? 18:51:20 <TrueBrain> I only saw Po 18:51:32 <andythenorth> no NooNoo? 18:51:36 <andythenorth> or Tinky Winky? 18:51:37 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 18:51:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:51:46 <TrueBrain> no, he is gay 18:51:49 <andythenorth> Alberth has joined us 18:51:51 <TrueBrain> and good morning Alberth 18:51:59 <TrueBrain> those 2 remarks have no relation btw, just for the record 18:52:02 <andythenorth> Alberth probably went to la la land too 18:52:25 <Alberth> hi TrueBrain, andythenorth 18:52:47 <Alberth> if 'work' is part of la la land, yep 18:52:56 <agaran> Eddi|zuHause: you asked if i trust one who updated patch, it was Vaulter who updated to r24376, and nobody in forum thread complained about it ;) 18:55:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:13 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 19:08:42 * Alberth spots a spbot 19:09:42 <andythenorth> Alberth: you might have missed the discussion about cb for total number of industries a grf thinks should be on map 19:10:01 <Alberth> s/might// 19:10:45 <Alberth> the risk is that the system only tries to build that missing industry 19:10:58 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 19:24:09 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 19:24:10 <agaran> Alberth: of course, i understand that 19:25:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r24466 /trunk/src/network/ (core/tcp_content.cpp core/tcp_content.h network_content.cpp): -Codechange [FS#5236]: add general function for ContentType -> Subdirectory conversion (LordAro) 19:26:34 <agaran> Yexo: from code all i can see, is in worst case not working speed limiting, so not worse than no patch at all, but i dont know internals to check if how stuff is used is correct. 19:26:39 * andythenorth kind of wonders 'less talk, more code' wrt NoCo :P 19:26:45 <andythenorth> but two things fail for that 19:27:01 <andythenorth> (1) andythenorth's coding ability (2) not a good way to design interfaces / spec 19:27:04 <Alberth> only two? :) 19:27:30 <andythenorth> Alberth: branch or patch, then test tweaks to industry generation? 19:27:40 <Alberth> 2 needs a NFO spec at least 19:27:41 <andythenorth> I don't have much free time, but I can test patches and such 19:28:01 <andythenorth> how about we see what we can improve without (re)inventing spec? 19:28:24 * andythenorth can even write patches if it's simple :P 19:28:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r24467 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange [FS#5236]: make textfile window class slightly more general (LordAro) 19:28:43 <Yexo> agaran: if you already update it, give me a link and I'll take a quick look 19:29:06 <Alberth> andythenorth: do you have a battle plan? 19:29:16 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:29:24 <andythenorth> test the possible one line fix l2666 or such? 19:29:46 <andythenorth> apply it to my current game, as I am about to enter a period where industries need to open 19:29:48 <Alberth> what one-line fix for l2666? 19:29:49 <agaran> Yexo: not posted updated version yet, besides conflict at settings.ini it just applied (and settings.ini i fixed with help of #openttd) 19:29:51 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:17 <andythenorth> Alberth: one you and Eddi|zuHause seemed to suggest / agree on? Forcing new types to get built if I understood correctly (possibly not) 19:30:40 <Alberth> I see the need, but no solution yet 19:30:52 <agaran> Yexo: i am recompiling again, if i get something that adhere more to coding-style on wiki, i'll let you know on channel or something 19:31:04 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:31:29 <agaran> also i dig on release not trunk, so probably need fix that part too 19:31:36 <Alberth> also, I am not convinced it's worth the effort at this time, as it just moves the problem from 0 to 1 industries 19:32:05 <andythenorth> less ideal 19:32:20 <andythenorth> something like Alu. chain needs > 1 bauxite mine to make sense 19:32:28 <Yexo> agaran: yes, when you want a patch included always make sure the diff is against trunk 19:33:09 <andythenorth> having the grf return the number of industries needed is ok-ish, at least it's clean 19:33:09 <agaran> Yexo: sure, that not sophisticated requirement unless commits per seconds are too big number 19:33:14 <andythenorth> it puts work on the newgrf author 19:33:19 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:33:26 <andythenorth> and leaves no flexibility in future for GS authors 19:33:44 <Yexo> agaran: a few revisions old doesn't matter, as long as it still applies cleanly 19:33:58 <agaran> Yexo: i smiled of course, i understand 19:33:58 <andythenorth> Alberth: we can't teach game details of an industry set...but could we teach it about chains? 19:34:18 <andythenorth> in abstract, i.e. build this set of industry types in ratio xyz 19:34:37 <Alberth> andythenorth: one industry produces X, another one needs X, seems fine to me 19:35:08 <andythenorth> ach the newgrf can solve this anyway with var 67 and cb22 19:35:09 <Kjetil> also needs a concept of the worth of X 19:35:22 <andythenorth> because...? 19:37:10 * Kjetil just assumed that the point of teaching game details was to add new industrial chains without changing the source 19:39:30 * andythenorth ponders 19:39:42 * Alberth makes tea 19:39:52 <andythenorth> wise 19:40:01 * andythenorth is going to the pub in a bit to work 19:41:35 <andythenorth> Alberth: this problem starts out looking very simple 19:41:52 <andythenorth> 3 connected problems 19:42:03 <andythenorth> (1) newgrf can do nearly everything it needs to wrt closing, but has no global overview of the state of industries etc, game needs to do that 19:42:29 <andythenorth> (2) newgrf can't influence opening very much (only cb22 probability), so chains aren't completed / new types not built 19:43:09 <andythenorth> (3) game's fixed numbers of industries (per setting in map gen) are for default industries; don't match well to large industry newgrfs 19:43:22 <andythenorth> that's got to be solvable in isolation :P 19:43:55 <andythenorth> it only gets horribly complicated when I try to find a useful interface between GS and newgrf, without breaking too much of what we have 19:47:26 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-154-36-54.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:48:13 *** Chrill [~Chrill@c83-253-89-11.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:48:54 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176110197.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 19:49:05 <drac_boy> hi 19:49:10 <Alberth> have GS control the game mechanisms instead? 19:49:15 <Alberth> hi drac_boy 19:49:32 <drac_boy> still talking about industries again? 19:49:49 <TrueBrain> still .. again? :P 19:50:26 <andythenorth> Alberth: yeah, having GS control the game mechanisms is a big +lots from me 19:50:38 <andythenorth> but then how much do you change newgrf spec to permit that? 19:50:58 <andythenorth> anyway, I can't solve it, and soon the crowd will start throwing peanuts 19:51:09 <andythenorth> if we could solve 1, 2, 3 above, I'd go away and be quiet :P 19:51:45 <andythenorth> users are quick to suggest features, but then when spec is being worked out, they throw peanuts 19:51:49 <andythenorth> it's kind of tiresome :P 19:52:44 <agaran> is --prefix-dir=... sufficient to get all trunk compiled installed there? 19:53:16 <TrueBrain> ./configure --help 19:53:19 <Alberth> I never bother to install 19:53:29 <agaran> Alberth: o, thats even better 19:53:31 <andythenorth> make run -j13 19:53:38 <andythenorth> :P 19:53:50 <agaran> TrueBrain: i have read to find --prefix-dir in place of usual --prefix by autoconf.. 19:54:03 <TrueBrain> well, the text behind it says exactly what it does :) 19:54:12 <agaran> andythenorth: thank you 19:54:22 <agaran> TrueBrain: didnt worked as i expeted from reading help thus asked here.. 19:54:37 <andythenorth> agaran: I didn't answer your question :) 19:54:38 <Alberth> agaran: make the data files findable by all installs, and then just "cd bin ; ./openttd" or "make run" 19:54:42 <andythenorth> just suggested an alternative 19:54:49 <TrueBrain> --prefix-dir=dir specifies the prefix for all installed 19:54:50 <TrueBrain> files [/usr/local] 19:54:54 <agaran> andythenorth: you gave usefull alternative, thats handy 19:55:03 <TrueBrain> your question and the help do not give any room for an answer .. 19:55:22 <agaran> TrueBrain: yup, and make install failed at impossibility to create //<somedirs> where it was compiled with prefix-dir set to ~/opt/openttd-trunk/ 19:55:56 <Alberth> agaran: ~ is a shell thing, use $HOME instead 19:55:58 <TrueBrain> so your question was jus tunrelated to your problem, great :) 19:56:17 <agaran> TrueBrain: you always are so kind or just that especially for me? 19:56:31 <TrueBrain> lately we have a lot of people who ask that was it clearly documented 19:56:36 <TrueBrain> it is exhausting 19:56:45 <TrueBrain> if you just said your issue from the start, this conversation would never have happened :) 19:56:54 <agaran> Alberth: i know, some apps cope with ~ well 19:58:00 <Alberth> andythenorth: 1,2, 3 seems like a good goal to me 19:58:02 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 19:58:09 <agaran> TrueBrain: yes, will remember to not ask you 19:58:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r24468 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Add [FS#5219]: API compatibility scripts for Goal Scripts (Hirundo) 19:58:18 <TrueBrain> @kban agaran 300 now you are rude 19:58:20 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~agaran@static-78-8-120-176.ssp.dialog.net.pl] by DorpsGek 19:58:20 *** agaran was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [now you are rude] 19:58:55 <andythenorth> Alberth: before patching any game I could just try returning highest value for probability to cb22 19:59:12 <Alberth> andythenorth: for random suggestions, smooth economy for ind newgrfs? 19:59:31 <andythenorth> you mean, use that setting? Or change something? 19:59:58 <Alberth> make newgrfs aware of it was my intention :) 20:00:10 <andythenorth> they kind of are via monthly prod. change cb 20:00:12 <Alberth> but likely it is complicated :p 20:00:48 <andythenorth> frosch123 would know better than me, but I thought smooth economy was primarily 'use monthly not random', and then adjust values to suit 20:01:36 <andythenorth> I'll try the cb22 probability adjustment in FIRS soon 20:01:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:08 <Alberth> I doubt that using high cb22 values has much effect; new industries already have it due to not having any instance at the map 20:02:12 <andythenorth> me too 20:02:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:04 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~agaran@static-78-8-120-176.ssp.dialog.net.pl] by Yexo 20:03:14 <TrueBrain> Yexo: 2 seconds before DorpsGek would? :P 20:03:25 <Yexo> oh, was it 5 minutes? 20:03:32 <TrueBrain> what do you think? :P 20:03:36 <Yexo> nvm, not sure what I was thinking :p 20:04:06 <andythenorth> so I have a 512x512 map with 218 industries 20:04:15 <andythenorth> and the default for 'normal' at 256 would be 55 20:04:30 <andythenorth> so I basically have 2 slots, if I've guessed the scaling factor correctly 20:05:03 <andythenorth> and I have 11 types that have 0 instances, due to not being available yet 20:05:30 <andythenorth> and to get meaningful production amounts, ~20 new industries need to be added to the map 20:05:39 <andythenorth> most within next 50 years 20:05:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:06:28 <frosch123> smooth economy is a dead end 20:06:45 <Alberth> ? 20:06:47 <andythenorth> ? 20:06:51 <frosch123> it's a hack which modifies production multipliers instead of rate 20:06:56 <andythenorth> ah 20:07:03 <andythenorth> New Economy 20:07:14 <andythenorth> scale the rate of changes 20:07:17 <frosch123> you can expose the setting, but you cannot make the code of it useful 20:07:34 <andythenorth> k 20:07:53 <andythenorth> so I only test FIRS with smooth economy enabled, but does that make any real difference? 20:08:09 <frosch123> i would hope some day we can remove that setting, and replace it with a newgrf 20:08:30 <andythenorth> economy newgrf? 20:08:37 <Alberth> frosch123: for my understanding, 10% increase is just keeping production where it is, but multiplying the output with 1.1 ? 20:08:42 <frosch123> andythenorth: smooth economy is disabled if you enable the production callback, or any of the production change callbacks 20:08:53 <andythenorth> k 20:09:03 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r24469 /trunk/bin/game/ (. compat_1.2.nut compat_1.3.nut): -Fix (r24468): forgot to svn add the new files 20:09:16 <TrueBrain> Yexo: owh you fixed that? Awesome :) 20:09:52 <frosch123> "-Feature: Compatibility scripts for windows" ? 20:09:53 <Yexo> my first commits in 5 months 20:09:58 <TrueBrain> gratz 20:10:02 <TrueBrain> and welcome back :P 20:10:04 <Yexo> it's been too long 20:10:07 <Alberth> \o/ 20:10:15 <TrueBrain> hmm ... is it me, or did the commit script fail 20:10:18 <frosch123> Alberth: no idea, what you wanted to tell me :) 20:11:27 <TrueBrain> frosch123: you and your features :P We really will see all your commits as Feature now, don't we? 20:11:54 <frosch123> TrueBrain: take a look at the 0.1.1 changelog and what was considered a feature back then :p 20:11:55 <Alberth> frosch123: I was asking a question to get a better understanding of what you said about smooth economy being hack-ish, I read it but lack context 20:11:58 <Yexo> <TrueBrain> hmm ... is it me, or did the commit script fail <- in which way? 20:12:08 <TrueBrain> Yexo: check what is before compat_1.2.nut 20:12:14 <TrueBrain> a dot? 20:12:20 <TrueBrain> not sure ... it looks odd 20:12:29 <TrueBrain> frosch123: features ar ein the eye of the beholder 20:12:53 <frosch123> [19:10] <frosch123> "- Feature: Center windows properly in higher resolutions" <- we should use the keyword "feature" more liberally again 20:12:54 <Yexo> I think that dot is because of "svn add bin/game/" 20:12:58 <Yexo> adding a new directory 20:13:03 <TrueBrain> ah 20:13:08 <TrueBrain> never seen it before :D 20:13:13 <Yexo> me neither 20:13:39 <andythenorth> hmm 20:13:44 * andythenorth explores ChangeIndustryProduction once again 20:14:02 <andythenorth> when I mention that industry_cmd.cpp is full of madness, I do mean this function, amongst others 20:14:13 <andythenorth> so many fricking conditional clauses 20:14:32 <frosch123> Alberth: smooth economy making smaller production changes is one thing; but the problem is that it changes the production of multiple output cargos independently and abuses production multipliers in a way, that makes it completely incompatible with newgrf 20:15:01 <frosch123> maybe we should change smooth economy so that it changes the production multiplier 20:15:09 <andythenorth> maybe 20:15:14 <frosch123> gah, and we need better terms than production multipleirs and rates 20:15:14 <andythenorth> or maybe there should just be one economy 20:15:26 <frosch123> i messed them up, so i made no sense :p 20:15:27 <andythenorth> he 20:15:31 <andythenorth> yes that 20:15:32 <andythenorth> :) 20:15:47 <TrueBrain> -Feature: better terms for production multipliers and rates 20:15:56 <andythenorth> codechange :P 20:15:58 <Alberth> "production multiplier" means absolutely nothing to me :) 20:16:09 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: you win the prize for abuse of -Feature 20:16:11 <TrueBrain> so it is 0? 20:16:18 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: thank you thank you 20:16:34 <andythenorth> frosch123 ideal: we have one economy, but ChangeIndustryProduction is called more or less often. We bin a lot of that conditional code 20:16:37 <frosch123> Alberth: Industry::production_rate vs. prod_level 20:16:44 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: it was only on frosch123's request to use it more liberal 20:17:01 <andythenorth> frosch123: 'output' would have made more sense for one of those vars 20:17:30 <andythenorth> prod. multiplier makes complete sense when we use it 20:17:35 <andythenorth> shame the code doesn't use it too :P 20:18:25 <andythenorth> fancy an industry_cmd.cpp refactor? 20:18:50 <Alberth> only if it is a feature :p 20:19:10 <andythenorth> -Feature: removed madness 20:19:17 <andythenorth> -Feature: reduced confusion 20:19:18 <Yexo> -Feature: better code due to a refactor 20:19:33 <TrueBrain> hmm ... map-rewrite .... 20:19:34 <andythenorth> -Feature: used less confusion to agree spec; added new madness 20:19:35 <TrueBrain> just saying 20:19:41 <andythenorth> true dat 20:20:49 <andythenorth> ha 20:20:59 <andythenorth> if (smooth_economy) { [boring silly code] } 20:21:03 <andythenorth> should die ^ 20:21:12 <TrueBrain> -Feature: die 20:21:13 <andythenorth> just bin it :P 20:21:14 <TrueBrain> wait? 20:21:29 <andythenorth> -Feature: rm-ed all code for fewer bugs 20:21:45 <andythenorth> I taught our work irc bot to swear btw 20:21:51 <andythenorth> definitely good use of time 20:21:51 <TrueBrain> I once made a patch for peter, which fixed all bugs 20:21:55 <TrueBrain> he didn't appreciate the patch 20:21:58 <andythenorth> he 20:22:00 <TrueBrain> (it removed everything) 20:22:17 <andythenorth> didn't you once get rid of all the bugs in the repo? 20:22:24 <andythenorth> the repo was bug free for a time? 20:22:55 <andythenorth> where did smooth economy come from? 20:22:58 <Yexo> it certainly wasn't possible to get buggy code out of the repo :p 20:23:07 <Yexo> ttdpatch? 20:23:27 <andythenorth> does smooth economy do anything that couldn't be substituted by something else, like newgrf? 20:23:40 <andythenorth> or a better way of getting similar result 20:23:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-58-40.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:25:55 <Yexo> good night all 20:26:58 <Alberth> good night Y 20:27:24 <Alberth> andythenorth: seems it needs more understanding first :) 20:28:01 <andythenorth> Alberth: maybe it's the place to start for any kind of fixing 20:28:07 <andythenorth> seems we're unhappy with it 20:28:27 <andythenorth> every time I go into industry_cmd.cpp it makes me die a little inside :) 20:28:51 <Alberth> hide the file 20:29:07 <Alberth> to be sure rip the disk out of your machine, and burn it 20:29:21 <andythenorth> burning doesn't destroy 20:29:28 <andythenorth> need to vaporise the platters 20:29:30 <andythenorth> hammer helps 20:30:16 <andythenorth> anyway, I know high loc count can be due to very well-finished code, handling edge cases 20:30:29 <andythenorth> but smooth economy has ~50 loc, and non-smooth has ~3 loc :P 20:30:48 <Alberth> major patch thus :) 20:30:48 <frosch123> TrueBrain: your patch was way too big to review 20:30:52 <andythenorth> yet we know the results of smooth economy are problematic :P 20:31:29 <andythenorth> anyway 20:31:31 * andythenorth -> pub 20:31:34 <TrueBrain> frosch123: haha, it was :D 20:31:37 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: anjoy 20:31:40 <TrueBrain> enjoy even 20:31:45 <andythenorth> I shell 20:31:49 <andythenorth> bye 20:31:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:36:37 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-005-112.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:42 *** gary__ [~drush@80-254-76-235.dynamic.swissvpn.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:04 *** gary__ [~drush@80-254-76-235.dynamic.swissvpn.net] has quit [] 20:40:31 *** lilleman [~lilleman@h79-138-81-60.static.se.alltele.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:55 <lilleman> Anyone knows of any problems with see through (or actually the lack of) buildings etc on Linux? 20:41:13 <lilleman> Or is it just me that cant handle the GUI well enough? :) 20:41:32 <lilleman> My cities gets huge, and I cant find my bus depots :p 20:42:57 <TrueBrain> not really .. 20:43:02 <TrueBrain> X normally makes stuff transparent 20:43:07 <TrueBrain> not OS depending if it works or not 20:43:22 <TrueBrain> so what is the problem exactly? 20:43:58 <lilleman> The buildings just... dont get see through 20:44:20 <lilleman> I click the gear 20:44:39 <lilleman> and make sure "Transparent buildings" are checked 20:44:42 <lilleman> but nothing happends 20:44:49 <TrueBrain> did you enable transparency itself? 20:44:53 <TrueBrain> dunno if that matters tbh 20:45:06 <lilleman> Just because I went into this channel, it works now 20:45:11 <lilleman> Just like that 20:45:18 <TrueBrain> well, this channel happen to do that 20:45:18 <frosch123> lilleman: press ctrl+x 20:45:23 <TrueBrain> its a magic channel 20:45:30 <lilleman> I believe so 20:45:34 <lilleman> Thanks for the magic :) 20:45:48 <drac_boy> heh 20:54:39 <TrueBrain> okay, I just tried Minecraft 1.3 20:54:40 <TrueBrain> never again 20:55:59 <lilleman> Why? 20:56:22 <lilleman> And, is it possible to clear houses in a city? Or will the authorities always refuse this? 20:56:50 <lilleman> If that is the case, how is one supposed to develope larger city terminals? 20:58:00 <frosch123> lilleman: plant trees to make them happy 20:58:26 <Kjetil> then destroy the trees to punish them! 20:58:29 <Kjetil> mohahaha 20:58:36 <TrueBrain> or bribe the city 20:58:36 <frosch123> or provide good service 20:58:38 <TrueBrain> or, ofc, cheat 21:00:31 <Alberth> or build them early in the game 21:02:02 <Alberth> good night 21:02:32 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 21:03:27 <drac_boy> I've always had Outstanding rating in a short time ... except for sometimes having Good or Poor rating that sticks at small villages I simply had to bypass 21:03:31 <drac_boy> :) 21:04:41 *** keyy [~eee@host5.global.tygrys.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:09:45 <lilleman> okok. thanks :) 21:10:20 <lilleman> Is it possible to see how happy the authorities are? 21:12:12 <drac_boy> lilleman open the dialog for the town ... it'll tell you right there 21:12:27 <lilleman> oh 21:13:35 <drac_boy> usually it starts with Good (which is not shown atm) .. but destroy more than a few small things and it'll drop ... if you get down to Poor you pretty much can't do any constructions anymore within town perimeters 21:14:01 <drac_boy> sometimes you need a higher rating than Good to be able to blow up certain bigger buildings tho (the Stadium sometimes does that too) 21:14:07 <TrueBrain> this game will make you a tree hugger 21:14:14 <TrueBrain> it is our way to promote green 21:14:30 <drac_boy> heh :p 21:15:52 <drac_boy> well I'm already a tree hugger.. I don't build excessive multiply lines and keep locomotives for as long as I can? :P 21:15:55 <drac_boy> heh 21:17:33 <TrueBrain> so you use old dirty engines for a long time? 21:17:40 <TrueBrain> over replacing them for a better env-friendly version? 21:17:42 <TrueBrain> pfffff 21:17:59 <drac_boy> not really 21:18:09 <frosch123> TrueBrain: he's still using horses 21:18:19 <TrueBrain> frosch123: their poop is bad for the env 21:18:30 <frosch123> no, it is great 21:18:34 <TrueBrain> ieuw 21:18:48 <frosch123> everyone with a garden is hunting after horses to collect their stuff 21:18:52 <drac_boy> frosch123 even real railroads have this problem ... 17 years old class of electric locomotives being replaced by a similar new class .. except that the latter has more thermal problems during winter 21:19:00 <drac_boy> sometimes newer doesn't always mean better 21:19:06 <TrueBrain> it does! 21:19:09 <TrueBrain> I disagree! 21:19:12 <TrueBrain> JUDGE! 21:19:43 <frosch123> TrueBrain: just compare yourself with today's youth 21:19:49 <frosch123> are they better? :p 21:19:57 <TrueBrain> hmm 21:19:59 <TrueBrain> the females are 21:20:03 <TrueBrain> I often want to replace for a newer model 21:20:19 <frosch123> :s 21:20:32 <TrueBrain> (I mean in a legal sense, ofc) 21:21:55 <frosch123> http://www.ping-timeout.de/UserFiles/Image/fun/werbung/klein_geil_schwarz.jpg <- whenever that topic comes up, i have to think about that image 21:21:58 <frosch123> (sorry, german) 21:22:26 <drac_boy> on the other hand theres diesel re-powering in certain cases both in usa and europe ... eg the EMD SW600 may be a rather old design but to find one still running around with fresh new two 370hp gensets under its hood just goes to show otherwise 21:22:30 <TrueBrain> should I take it as a sign that that page gives me a timeout? 21:22:37 <TrueBrain> which is ironic, given its domain 21:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: ever seen that How I Met Your Mother episode when they asked "what is your newest whisky?" :p 21:22:49 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I have seen them all, but I cannot remember :s 21:23:13 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: it was exactly about this argument: "Newer is always better" 21:23:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "so the new star wars films, are they better than the old ones?" 21:23:53 <TrueBrain> PING ping-timeout.de(shell08.ping-timeout.de) 56 data bytes 21:23:55 <frosch123> anyway, replacing tb with a girl sounds like a nice plan 21:23:55 <TrueBrain> ^C 21:23:56 <TrueBrain> --- ping-timeout.de ping statistics --- 21:23:58 <TrueBrain> 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3999ms 21:23:59 <TrueBrain> the irony 21:24:20 <TrueBrain> (IPv6 fails, but they have AAAA record) 21:24:26 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:24:32 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I am all in for that 21:24:45 <TrueBrain> any females who want to volunteer? 21:26:35 <Kjetil> Any second now... 21:26:52 <V453000> :D 21:28:27 <TrueBrain> well, that concludes that quest 21:28:29 <TrueBrain> dammit 21:29:42 <Kjetil> Could probably rent one from bride.ru 21:30:22 <TrueBrain> my roommate was dating a polish girl .. the jokes made ... the jokes made ... 21:32:18 <Kjetil> :D 21:36:44 <frosch123> night 21:36:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffdea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:35 <TrueBrain> I have to write a bot for frosch 21:38:39 <TrueBrain> when he says night, that it replies 21:38:42 <TrueBrain> as ... damn, he is fast 21:39:27 <NGC3982> Someone said bride.ru. 21:39:31 <NGC3982> Oh. 21:39:39 <TrueBrain> you have a highlight there? 21:39:44 <TrueBrain> that is just sick, sorry, but, really? 21:39:53 <NGC3982> Definetly not the channel i first thought of. 21:40:17 <TrueBrain> haha 21:41:03 <NGC3982> It's funny. 21:41:19 <TrueBrain> the site? 21:41:27 <NGC3982> People can complain a lot on my telemarketing business, but selling people is for some reason ok. 21:41:31 <NGC3982> ;) 21:41:49 <TrueBrain> you own a telemarketing business? 21:41:53 <TrueBrain> you and I need to hav ea talk .... 21:41:57 <TrueBrain> my foot 21:42:07 <TrueBrain> your ... hav eyou ever watched the Seventy show? 21:42:23 <NGC3982> Im sorry? 21:42:29 <TrueBrain> you don't know it? 21:42:45 <TrueBrain> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165598/ 21:42:48 <NGC3982> That Seventees show, yes. the Seventy show? Nietskij, comrade. 21:42:57 <TrueBrain> tomato tomato 21:43:01 <TrueBrain> its late 21:43:15 <NGC3982> (I actually thought you ment something else :P) 21:43:20 <TrueBrain> I didnt :) 21:43:22 <NGC3982> But yes, i have. Lot's of it. 21:43:27 <TrueBrain> I just didn't want to say what I wanted to say :P 21:43:38 <TrueBrain> as it is not really polite to do :P 21:44:38 <NGC3982> Oh, yes. The telemarketing business is greatly strucken by prejudice and "Oh that means you want my dead sons money". 21:45:08 <TrueBrain> all I can think about are the annoying calls 21:45:11 <NGC3982> When it's basicly the word used to define almost everything done by phone. 21:45:29 <TrueBrain> I hate to be called at some off hour to ask me if I want something 21:45:34 <Kjetil> *shoves NGC3982 down the stairs and mumbles something about bringing out the gimp* 21:45:37 <TrueBrain> if I want something, I will come to you, not the other way around :) 21:55:17 <TrueBrain> but no worries NGC3982, we love you no matter what your job is :) 21:56:26 <NGC3982> :) 21:56:35 <TrueBrain> and with we I mean I 21:56:37 <TrueBrain> :P 21:56:41 * NGC3982 sells TB a dead seal 21:57:00 <TrueBrain> I am waiting for my statis period to end, and it nowhere tells me when exactly 21:57:01 <TrueBrain> its boring 21:58:43 <NGC3982> statis? 21:59:37 <TrueBrain> EVE Online 21:59:38 <TrueBrain> don't ask 22:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause> ask! 22:06:40 <Rubidium> is Adam online as well? 22:08:14 <TrueBrain> I am sure he is 22:13:57 <NGC3982> I think im going to make a salute hymn to tardigrades. 22:15:38 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not parse 22:15:58 * TrueBrain inserts Perl 22:16:00 <TrueBrain> helps? 22:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never ever had a situation where perl helped me :p 22:16:37 <TrueBrain> that is the joke! 22:16:39 <TrueBrain> :P 22:25:44 <Terkhen> good night 22:26:22 <drac_boy> bye Terkhen 22:30:03 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:34:26 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176110197.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 22:36:01 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-154-36-54.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120731150526]] 22:36:37 *** TheDude [~Miranda@ip-86-49-102-148.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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