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00:04:23 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:49 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 00:10:01 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 00:12:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B12F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:09 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.146.10.225.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:43 <DDR> Hey, guys, finished my game inspired by this game: http://cubetrains.com 00:16:19 <DDR> Good stuff. :) 00:24:56 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 00:25:15 <drac_boy> hi 00:28:00 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 00:33:48 <DDR> 'lo 00:36:14 <drac_boy> how're you ddr? 00:37:56 <DDR> bit bored; watching mythbusters; eating a pomegranate. 00:39:11 <DDR> you? 00:39:23 <DDR> oh also: right before you arrived: 00:39:38 <DDR> "Hey, guys, finished my game inspired by this game: http://cubetrains.com" 00:42:31 <__ln___> which this 00:43:00 <DDR> by 'this game', I meant OpenTTD. 00:43:36 <drac_boy> heh doing ok here anyway 00:43:51 <drac_boy> just a bit quiet night tho 00:43:57 <__ln___> looks interesting 00:44:26 <DDR> Thanks. I'm having trouble publicizing it, though. :/ 00:44:58 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:10 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 00:45:15 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 00:48:37 <__ln___> does it have some particular dependency on Mac OS X 10.6+, or is it just the build environment? 00:49:44 <DDR> I think it won't work on the 'old' mac OS, but it will on the new. 00:51:30 <DDR> I /think/ that means 'newer than PowerPC'. 00:51:32 <__ln___> i don't mean Mac OS classic, but i mean can it be compiled without much work on, say, 10.4? 00:51:40 <DDR> Yeah. 00:51:46 <__ln___> what's wrong with PowerPC?! 00:52:10 <DDR> I think it's just old. It can be compiled for PowerPC, though, but the pre-compiled version won't work there. 00:52:32 <DDR> I'm not the Mac packager, so I'm a little fuzzy on the details. :P 00:53:16 <__ln___> PowerPC is the most popular processor for gaming. 00:54:36 <__ln___> (though not on Mac) 00:58:43 <DDR> Hm. The windows binary should be pretty much universal. 00:59:03 * drac_boy sometimes fiddles too much with powerpcs ... literally 00:59:05 <drac_boy> heh 01:01:22 <DDR> Fun Fact: If you get hired by Valve, you get access to Steam... and every game that's on steam. 01:01:42 <Supercheese> 0_0 01:08:53 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:12:44 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:12:44 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:54 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 01:19:02 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:23 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 01:19:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-108-175.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 01:19:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 01:24:55 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-32-237.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:27:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CABB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:39:50 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 01:39:50 *** George is now known as Guest510 01:39:50 *** George|2 is now known as George 01:40:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DBF7.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:38 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:45:10 *** Guest510 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:45 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:44 <Bad_Brett> Too bad I would never allow Steam on my computer... I'd rather have virus infested pirated non-working copy than that shit 01:50:23 <Supercheese> same here 01:51:27 <Bad_Brett> that's one of the main reasons i started doing graphics for openttd... that i hate what the gaming industry has become 02:05:20 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:10:56 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 02:15:30 <catpants> i bet you run linux, too 02:34:41 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:53 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:37:48 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:37:48 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44:07 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44:19 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:47:13 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:26 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:49:56 *** Flygon__ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:49:56 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:23 *** Flygon__ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:34 *** Flygon__ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:05:20 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:05:20 *** Flygon__ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26:08 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26:19 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:27:41 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:00 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:02:56 <Bad_Brett> Nah :) 04:37:39 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 05:26:44 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:36:59 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4B45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66FA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:05:02 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 06:17:38 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:29:21 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:32:21 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 06:36:06 *** tokai|mdlx 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joined #openttd 09:10:08 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:53 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:05 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:34:24 <peter1138> yeah, steam is terrible 09:34:46 <peter1138> i hate not having to down town to purchase boxes which clutter my house 09:35:03 <peter1138> i hate not having to have the disk in the drive else the game won't run 09:38:00 <DDR> peter1138: I hate how I can't just run the disk over with my chair when I'm done with it. It has a certain visceral feel to it... 09:45:41 <peter1138> heh 09:46:17 <peter1138> i hate not opening the cd case to find the bits in the middle are broken and the disc falls out 10:14:03 <NGC3982> Yes, that is the worst thing about jewel cases 10:14:30 <NGC3982> Or, well. Jewel cases are the worst thing about jewel cases. 10:15:15 <NGC3982> In my old CD collection (6-700 peices) barely has a jewel case that's not cracked in the front. 10:17:19 <MNIM> tin cases rule 10:17:36 <peter1138> but then 10:17:41 <peter1138> why are dvd cases so large? 10:18:27 <MNIM> because that way they can ask more money for it, duh 10:19:05 <peter1138> ahh 10:20:02 <NGC3982> Well, They always hold up better, afaik. 10:21:23 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:23:07 <Bad_Brett> steam has some of the most intrusive DRM i've ever experienced. they have the power to shut down your account at any time, without warning... you can't play games without an internet connection... the collect data about your system and use it to shower you with ads 10:23:26 <TinoDidriksen> Steam has an offline mode, and what ads? 10:23:48 <Elukka> there's an ad (the 10:23:51 <Elukka> buh 10:23:57 <Elukka> *there's an ad (the update news) but you can turn it off 10:24:23 <Elukka> and yes, offline mode 10:24:37 <Elukka> plus steam games don't have to use steam as drm, though most do 10:24:44 <Elukka> for many indie games it's just a delivery platform 10:24:52 <Elukka> they'll run without steam too 10:26:14 <SpComb> steam has many happy customers 10:26:20 <TinoDidriksen> Steam is the best DRM - it adds loads of value without getting in my way. Synchronized save games, able to reinstall games any time... 10:26:37 <SpComb> yeah, and it works 10:28:45 <TinoDidriksen> And, unlike any other provider, Valve have a standing promise that if they ever go out of business, they'll release a de-Steamifier patch so people won't wind up unable to play the game just because their service is gone. 10:29:19 <TinoDidriksen> Whereas e.g. EA decomissions servers for games a mere 1 year old... 10:29:41 <Elukka> i'd rather that promise was binding 10:30:15 <Elukka> but it's unlikely in the first place that they'd go down and if they did and still didn't do it i'm sure someone would crack it in a week 10:37:12 <Bad_Brett> you may also remember this incident: 10:37:14 <Bad_Brett> http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/10/steam-database-hacked-encrypted-credit-card-information-and-passwords-compromised/ 10:38:06 <Bad_Brett> plus, i can no longer call myself owner of a game... it's more like a rental, because i'm not allowed to sell it or return it if i don't like it 10:38:32 <TinoDidriksen> So you don't own any Sony products either, I assume... 10:39:07 <Bad_Brett> ? 10:39:37 <TinoDidriksen> They were the target of the worst such intrusion and use rootkits and lots worse than Steam. 10:39:54 <Bad_Brett> yes, but they had to remove that, didn't they? 10:40:00 <TinoDidriksen> So, assuming your principles are strong, you naturally have zero Sony products. 10:40:03 <Bad_Brett> because it was considered illegal 10:40:36 <Bad_Brett> it's not a matter of principles 10:42:07 <TinoDidriksen> What is it then? If you want to own a game, many modern console games are out of the question for you, since they're adding online-only and first-sale-only features. 10:42:22 <Bad_Brett> games that used to be a work of art are now dumbed versions to attract the mass-audience... intrusive DRM, release day DLC, rushed releases because they can force people to install the most recent patch etc. 10:42:27 <Elukka> you're generally not allowed to return opened games anyway 10:42:35 <Elukka> selling is a point, doesn't matter to me though since i've never sold my old games 10:42:59 <Elukka> and because they had competent encryption unlike sony, nothing came of that hack 10:43:32 <Elukka> no passwords or credit card inforamation was accessed by anyone 10:45:21 <Bad_Brett> i'll never buy a game that forces me to install third-party software on my computer, that collect data without my knowledge, so they can show me ads of other games "i might like" and make DLC's that they know will sell well 10:45:42 <Elukka> what do you mean by collecting data to show you ads? 10:45:49 <Elukka> steam doesn't even do targeted advertising 10:46:01 <Elukka> ads are constrained to the store page which you might want to access but don't have to 10:46:05 <Bad_Brett> steam collects tons of data 10:46:37 <TinoDidriksen> So play in Offline mode...you can't even get achievements when in that. 10:46:48 <Bad_Brett> about my system, which games i play, how often i play them... some guy even found a list of his Kazaa-files in the steam folder 10:47:07 <Elukka> do you mean how it tracks hours played? 10:47:25 <Bad_Brett> yes... and graphic cards, empty harddrive space etc. 10:47:40 <TinoDidriksen> The hardware survey is opt-in. 10:47:52 <Bad_Brett> and offline mode doesn't always work. 10:47:54 <TinoDidriksen> They pop up a box asking if they can please do a hardware survey. 10:48:44 <Bad_Brett> and the thing that you basically buy an empty disc in the game store 10:48:58 <Bad_Brett> and still have to download the game 10:49:09 <Bad_Brett> which will take forever when their servers are overloaded 10:49:14 <Elukka> which game has done that? 10:49:26 <Bad_Brett> remember when Ubisoft's servers went down during the holidays :) 10:49:47 <Bad_Brett> though I agree that they're even worse 10:49:59 <Elukka> the only reason i buy physical copies of games anymore is because steam has terrible prices for new products and i can get them cheaper elsewhere 10:50:25 <dihedral> hello 10:50:54 <Elukka> there are physical copies of games that require steam (which i think is silly) but the ones i have have always installed from the disc rather than downloading anything 10:51:02 <Elukka> well, they'll download patches 10:51:45 <Bad_Brett> i think it's really wrong to let the customers serve as beta-testers so they can rush the release 10:51:55 <Bad_Brett> which is often the case nowadays 10:52:04 <Bad_Brett> they release several patches the very first week 10:52:43 <TinoDidriksen> Blame publishers for that. 10:52:58 <Bad_Brett> yes of course 10:53:12 <Bad_Brett> game developers are slaves 10:53:27 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53:47 <Bad_Brett> anyway 10:53:49 <Bad_Brett> time for a nap 10:53:50 <Bad_Brett> :) 10:53:56 <Elukka> it's almost like you have an endless reservoir of half-informed opinions and when people correct you just move to the next one 10:54:01 <Elukka> oh. not endless :P 10:54:08 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 10:54:37 <peter1138> anyone play lfs? 10:54:52 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 10:55:10 <NGC3982> LFS? 10:55:56 <peter1138> live for speed 10:58:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:58:51 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:34 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:20:03 *** morten [~morten@37.44.182.37] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:37:12 <V453000> do I understand it correctly that if I set cargo_age_period to 1, then the value of the cargo will step down every game tick? 11:41:34 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 11:46:09 *** dih [~dih@5.199.134.36] has joined #openttd 11:46:38 *** dih is now known as Guest547 11:46:50 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 11:56:03 <peter1138> i could tell you 11:56:04 <peter1138> but 11:56:07 <peter1138> i haven't a clue :p 11:57:37 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-189.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 12:04:26 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:09:15 <NGC3982> :D 12:10:02 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:13 <NGC3982> I guess most settings that defines an arbitrary time period, does so in ticks 12:11:11 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:11:30 <NGC3982> V453000: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles 12:11:33 <NGC3982> V453000: "This property specifies after how many ticks cargo is aged. Default value is 185. 74 ticks is equal to 1 day. " 12:11:40 <V453000> where do you think I read it from 12:12:10 <NGC3982> As far as i can see, that should answer the question. 12:12:34 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 12:12:46 <drac_boy> hi 12:17:18 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 12:18:44 <NGC3982> Since the Wiki does not state what happends during parameter under a day (74), one would assume it's simply the same thing. 12:19:34 *** Guest547 [~dih@5.199.134.36] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:19:46 *** dihedral- [~dih@5.199.134.36] has joined #openttd 12:31:45 *** dihedral- is now known as dih 12:36:47 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:37:09 *** dih is now known as dihedral 13:18:39 *** efess [~Efess@ool-18bfeb53.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:24 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 13:37:15 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:43 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:51:31 *** Flygon [~Flygon@49.176.2.240] has joined #openttd 14:28:04 *** dihedral [~dih@5.199.134.36] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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778 changes by lutxiketa 18:45:33 <DorpsGek> czech - 21 changes by Eskymak 18:45:34 <DorpsGek> german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:54:29 *** hnk [~hank@henkee.se] has joined #openttd 18:57:59 <Terkhen> wow :P 19:04:13 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c83-253-89-11.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:33 <hnk> is there any "best" set of trains and things like that? 19:06:41 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:07:19 <hnk> I think I tried the UKRS+ set but my coal/iron-ore transports were soo damn slow it killed my fun 19:07:21 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:07:36 <frosch123> the only one which is heading to be "objective" best is "nuts" 19:07:44 <frosch123> all others only try to be "subjective" best :) 19:08:11 <frosch123> if you want to experience gameplay, you might indeed want to check out nuts 19:08:40 <Terkhen> is "objective best" even possible WRT train sets? :P 19:09:12 <hnk> I want real stuff in my game 19:09:22 <hnk> kind of :D 19:09:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:10:12 <Wolf01> hello o/ 19:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hnk: you could start the game at a later date, when higher speeds are available 19:14:23 <FLHerne> hnk: There seem to be a lot of people keen on the Dutch and DB sets 19:14:48 * FLHerne is a UKRS2 lover 19:15:22 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:09 <NGC3982> UKRS2 and FIRS! 19:23:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 19:34:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24785 /trunk/src (6 files in 3 dirs) (2012-12-05 19:34:25 UTC) 19:34:32 <DorpsGek> -Add: Various methods to open the OSK. (based on patch by Eagle_rainbow) 19:34:52 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24786 /trunk/src (10 files in 4 dirs) (2012-12-05 19:34:45 UTC) 19:34:53 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Add SettingsProfile enum for difficulty profiles and highscore tables. 19:35:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24787 /trunk/src (3 files) (2012-12-05 19:35:09 UTC) 19:35:16 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Unify checks for editability of settings. 19:35:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24788 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2012-12-05 19:35:38 UTC) 19:35:44 <DorpsGek> -Change: Detach script settings from difficulty settings. Always allow changing all script settings without setting difficulty to custom. 19:36:10 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24789 /trunk/src (9 files in 6 dirs) (2012-12-05 19:36:04 UTC) 19:36:11 <DorpsGek> -Add: Separate setting to control the default settings of newly added scripts and random AIs. 19:36:47 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24790 /trunk/src (78 files in 8 dirs) (2012-12-05 19:36:41 UTC) 19:36:48 <DorpsGek> -Remove: Classic difficulty profiles. 19:37:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24791 /trunk/src (71 files in 7 dirs) (2012-12-05 19:37:15 UTC) 19:37:24 <DorpsGek> -Remove: Difficulty settings window. 19:38:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24792 /trunk/src (58 files in 4 dirs) (2012-12-05 19:38:44 UTC) 19:38:52 <DorpsGek> -Add: Readd difficulty settings to advanced settings unless they are already present in other settings windows. 19:39:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24793 /trunk/src (49 files in 3 dirs) (2012-12-05 19:39:48 UTC) 19:39:55 <DorpsGek> -Change: Move script opcodes setting from Economy to AI settings. 19:40:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24794 trunk/src/lang/english.txt (2012-12-05 19:40:07 UTC) 19:40:14 <DorpsGek> -Change: Unify capitalisation in advanced settings dropdowns. 19:51:40 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:51:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:58:44 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24795 trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp (2012-12-05 19:58:38 UTC) 19:58:45 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r24789): Unfinished patch. 20:11:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 20:14:52 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:24:44 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:29:15 *** dada_ [~dada_@ip5456fdf3.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:37:30 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:23 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:43:38 *** dada__ [~dada_@ip5456fdf3.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:45:56 *** dada_ [~dada_@ip5456fdf3.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:58 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:34 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:55:09 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08eae2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:39 *** dada__ [~dada_@ip5456fdf3.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:22 <Stimrol> I have a question about FIRS, maybe a bug, is this the right place to ask it? 21:02:49 <Terkhen> depends on andythenorth being around or not 21:03:22 <Stimrol> nope he is not :) 21:03:44 <Terkhen> you can ask about your issue here, many people uses FIRS 21:04:13 <Terkhen> but if it is a bug, you should ask at the forum thread or at FIRS bug tracker to prevent it from getting forgotten :) 21:04:16 <Terkhen> Stimrol^ 21:04:23 <Alberth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs or look in the bug tracker of FIRS :) 21:04:43 <Stimrol> either FIRS itself or FIRS combined with 1.2.3 has problem.... the freights seem to have a thing of only lasting a few years then crash or completely close up 21:04:58 <Alberth> 'crash' ? 21:05:14 <Stimrol> I was having this discussion with one about FIRS always closeing down 21:05:34 <frosch123> i thought firs industries never close? 21:05:43 <frosch123> what version of firs are you using? 21:05:48 <frosch123> i hope nothing ancient :) 21:06:02 <Stimrol> there is a setting in firs you can control if it can close or not 21:06:08 <Alberth> andy may have reverted that decision; he changed his mind about industry closing iirc 21:06:10 <Stimrol> no up to date version 21:07:01 <Alberth> perhaps it is mentioned in an already closed ticket? 21:07:28 <Stimrol> there are setting "allow primary (and secondary) industries to close" 21:08:14 <Stimrol> probably just best to check the bug list and maybe post it 21:09:39 <Alberth> I still don't understand what the problem is tbh 21:09:56 <Alberth> you mean freights at station disappearing, or something else? 21:10:29 <Stimrol> the problem is that the station closes down very frequently even if they are in full service 21:11:07 <Stimrol> eg my oil trains was worth four 5-tiles trains with steam ... switching to diesel was more or less same ... but only 2-3 years later I had to scrap down to only two trains ... then soon it closed up for good ... 21:11:58 <Alberth> stations do not close down, you have to explicitly remove them 21:12:25 <Stimrol> there are setting "allow primary (and secondary) industries to close" 21:12:42 <Stimrol> in the firs parametters 21:12:47 <Alberth> industries and stations are two different things 21:13:02 <Alberth> ok, industries thus 21:13:21 <Alberth> is there a setting about station rating in your FIRS too? 21:13:49 <Alberth> did you make sure you provided good service (eg have always a train loading)? 21:14:04 <Alberth> wat rating was the station at? 21:14:04 <Stimrol> yes serviced industries, so I was wondering that t 21:14:20 <Stimrol> sorry delete last line 21:14:31 <Stimrol> yes there is, this is version 0.7.5 21:14:55 <Alberth> sorry, your last line has already been broadcasted all over the Internet :) 21:15:05 <Stimrol> hehe 21:16:14 <Stimrol> it was like 70% all the time 21:16:54 <frosch123> i doubt firs guarentees increase depending on service 21:17:14 <Alberth> I don't know the default value for the station rating setting in 0.7.5, but in my version, the default is to use the OpenTTD ratings 21:17:36 <Stimrol> what I am talking about is this is frequent, not only once. Then I would not be talking about it. This is way more often that without FIRS. 21:20:10 <Stimrol> At least I found this a little strange so I just wanted to ask about before makeing a bug report, and maybe also to find out a little more :) 21:23:17 <Alberth> bug reports for ancient versions are not of much use probably 21:23:55 <Stimrol> ancient, but this is the one official in newgrf 21:24:55 <Alberth> well, don't let me stop you :) 21:25:11 <peter1138> FIRS 0.7.5 21:25:19 <Stimrol> no I just thought this was the newest 0.7.5 21:25:20 <Alberth> but perhaps it is good to get some hard data 21:25:50 <peter1138> hm 21:26:12 <Stimrol> I am just thankful for you help and discussion about this Alberth, always good to get information :) 21:26:25 <Alberth> ie "frequent" is difficult to judge 21:27:11 <Alberth> you can make a save game, and use that for measuring 21:27:32 <Stimrol> where is a newer version that 0.7.5 availible? 21:28:06 <Alberth> Stimrol: there are nightlies, but I don't know whether they will work in 1.2.3 21:28:42 <Stimrol> I will see what I will do, but thanks 21:28:48 <Alberth> 1.2.3 is already 8 months old 21:29:11 <peter1138> it is? o_O 21:29:13 <frosch123> 11 21:29:22 <frosch123> 1.2 branch is 11 months old :) 21:29:35 <Alberth> wow, even older :) 21:29:48 <peter1138> Latest release in stable is 1.2.3, released on 2012-10-31 21:39 UTC. 21:29:51 <peter1138> seems not 8 months 21:29:56 <Alberth> and FIRS is always fast to use the latest features 21:30:04 * Alberth slaps peter1138 21:30:12 <Alberth> you should know better :) 21:30:17 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:30:18 * Stimrol comforts peter1138 21:30:34 <peter1138> probably just missing some context 21:31:04 <Stimrol> What do you mean by 8 months, you mean 1.2.3 is 8 month because is started nighties right after 1.2.2 21:31:36 <Alberth> Stimrol: FYI, 11 months ago was the last update from trunk 21:31:56 <Alberth> all new features since that time are not in the 1.2 series, and thus also not in 1.2.3 21:32:34 <Alberth> 1.2.x are just bugfix releases 21:33:14 <Stimrol> that is right from that viewpoint 21:33:58 <Alberth> (10:42:10 PM) Stimrol: What do you mean by 8 months, you mean 1.2.3 is 8 month because is started nighties right after 1.2.2 <-- no, the last nighly for all 1.2 release was somewhere in Spring 21:34:47 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:40 <frosch123> 2012-02-19 21:35:47 <Stimrol> Yes I understand, and you are probably then playing what shall be 1.3 21:36:14 <Alberth> yes :) 21:37:06 <Alberth> basically a very recent nightly, except I build the program myself 21:37:43 <Stimrol> and is that mostly tested at openttdcoop? 21:39:01 <Alberth> I don't know whether there are still MP games with nightlies at openttdcoop 21:39:19 <V453000> of course 21:39:30 <frosch123> but usually not very up-to-date nightlies :p 21:39:31 <Sturmi> never have been :D 21:39:33 <Alberth> oh, there are :) 21:39:43 <__ln___> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20614593 21:39:51 <Stimrol> look like they are playing this one --> r24783 21:39:55 <V453000> frosch123: not every night updated, but rather up to date :) 21:40:09 <V453000> r24673 currently 21:40:20 <V453000> 24783 is just the nightly server 21:40:31 <Alberth> @calc 24795-24673 21:40:32 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 122 21:40:32 <frosch123> @calc 24795 - 24673 21:40:33 <Wolf01> 'night 21:40:33 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 122 21:40:36 <frosch123> :p 21:40:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:40:39 <Alberth> haha :) 21:40:40 <V453000> but both main servers run 24673 atm 21:40:42 <V453000> could update that 21:41:14 <frosch123> i am impressed how wolf01 could fit a night inbetween thee 21:41:17 <Stimrol> this shaked up the conversation :D 21:41:59 <Alberth> tight timing, that Wolf :) 21:42:08 <V453000> :) 21:48:18 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:59:26 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:59:57 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-062-180.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 22:15:06 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:15:09 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:26 <__ln___> Happy fourth of July! 22:24:11 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:31:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CABB.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CABB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:44:58 <frosch123> night 22:45:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009fee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:27 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:06:11 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-062-180.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 23:16:19 <Terkhen> good night 23:28:54 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:55 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi]