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00:00:17 <Samu> if my rating is -1000 and i'm unsucessful, it will go back to -50? 00:00:52 <Samu> that's more than +200/+800 if it were sucessful... 00:01:47 <Samu> that's a +950 for being caught, or am I reading this wrong 00:20:02 <Samu> hmm 00:21:14 <Samu> brb 00:31:23 <Samu> can't add a requirement for clearing trees? 00:31:45 <Samu> +7 for planting them 00:31:58 <Samu> and -7 for clearing them? 00:32:40 <Samu> oh, it's -35 already 00:33:29 <Samu> a required rating of some value to clear trees 00:33:37 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:48 <Samu> that's what I was intending to say 00:34:04 <Samu> -400 perhaps? 00:34:20 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:17 <Samu> what about area look up? some tiles belong to local authority 00:39:24 <Samu> some others don't 00:44:12 *** permagreen [~donovan@204.195.27.175] has quit [Quit: USER DEAD IMMINENT] 00:49:55 *** ST2 is now known as xT2 01:01:49 <Samu> anyone here? 01:06:20 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.54.92] has joined #openttd 01:07:19 <Mazur> No. 01:07:22 <Samu> hi 01:07:26 <Samu> :o 01:07:48 <Mazur> Lo. 01:07:53 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.54.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:23 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 01:24:50 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:38:42 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@173.183.158.25] has joined #openttd 02:10:38 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@155.135.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:32:03 <Nat_aS> oh man 03:32:11 <Nat_aS> the local authority in OTTD 03:32:25 <V453000> must die 03:32:27 <Nat_aS> a world where the only lobby that matters is the environmentalists 03:33:02 <Nat_aS> "What, they buldozed half the town? Well they also planted a lot of tress." 03:33:58 <V453000> well, with magic dozer you can unlock destructive lobby 03:34:29 <V453000> in fact the destructives are usually a lot more constructive in the long run, they just need the starting steps :> 03:35:04 <Nat_aS> yes 03:35:21 <Nat_aS> i just wish there was some easier way to make towns happy 03:35:24 <Nat_aS> like lobying 03:35:28 <Nat_aS> without outright bribery 03:35:31 <Nat_aS> or treespamming 03:37:15 <V453000> well service in the town is quite good, but isnt absolutely instant 03:41:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A015.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:08:23 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@155.135.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 04:08:35 <Samu> hi 04:08:50 <Samu> i found a bug 04:09:28 <Samu> buy helicopter 04:09:41 <Samu> destroy all airports 04:09:47 <Samu> send helicopter to depot 04:10:25 <Samu> bug: can't send aircraft to hangar... can't send aircraft to hangar... 04:11:27 <Samu> just the reasoning 04:11:34 <Samu> made me jiggle 04:12:21 <Samu> had some helis going around from heliports 04:13:18 <Samu> so that's what it said when i was trying to send one to a non-existant depot 04:13:27 <Samu> was gonna replace it 04:19:41 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67107.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:29:30 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 05:52:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A015.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:41 *** sla_ro|master [boty@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 06:10:49 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@ip-213-127-161-46.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #openttd 06:25:13 *** moroz [id@37.140.127.33] has joined #openttd 06:26:50 *** moroz [id@37.140.127.33] has quit [] 06:40:14 <Samu> anyone around? 06:40:40 <juzza1> can anyone else play thes midi files here directly in firefox? i have quicktime plugin installed & MIME settings configured properly 06:40:46 <juzza1> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=46479&start=520 06:41:10 <juzza1> still says "A plugin is needed to display this content." 06:41:17 <Samu> i use ie10 06:41:23 <Samu> does it matter? 06:41:47 <juzza1> it's a different browser, so yes 06:43:19 <Samu> it doesn't play 06:43:50 <Samu> opening multimedia element, looks like some windows media player window but doesn't play anything, just says that message 06:48:56 <Samu> looks like I also need some plugin 06:49:03 <Samu> lol 06:51:31 <Samu> still opening... yeah I'm gonna wait forever 06:55:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 06:58:29 <Supercheese> just use Winamp/Media Player Classic/Whatever 06:58:39 <Supercheese> Firefox hates midi, apparently 06:59:38 <szaman> everybody hates midi 06:59:51 <juzza1> it works on other sites, seems like the method used in the forums doesnt work that well with midi 07:03:34 <planetmaker> a bit difficult to open. no vlc. no quicktime. only quicktime 7 07:03:47 <planetmaker> maybe that's the reason 07:08:08 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@173.183.158.25] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 07:13:44 <juzza1> <object width="320" height="285" type="video/x-ms-wmv" data="./download/file.php?id=163877"> this is the problem, it's not wmv video 07:26:08 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e9b6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:29:04 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@ip-213-127-161-46.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:31:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@ip-213-127-161-46.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:08 <Samu> hey 07:48:39 <Samu> someone was attempting to hack the other day 07:48:57 <Samu> he wanted to give me £20.000.000 07:49:38 <Samu> I got the message that someone gave my company the £20.000.000 but I didn't receive that cash at all 07:49:57 <Samu> and he didn't have £20.000.000 either 07:50:09 <Samu> and got a desync error shortly after 07:50:25 <Samu> should I be concerned? 07:50:36 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-084-068.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 07:50:37 *** Pecio [~fgh@bnd44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 07:50:51 <Samu> he got a desync, not me 07:50:54 <Samu> to make it clear 07:53:37 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:25:33 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has joined #openttd 08:43:20 *** Cadmus [~toms@31.24.34.18] has joined #openttd 08:44:43 <Cadmus> Hello. I'm back on OpenTTD after a break and noticed AV8 now has maximum range for aircraft but that this number comes from core. How is it calculated? Is it pythagoras, manhattan distance or something else? 08:48:30 <Cadmus> I'd hate to build an airport and be one square out on range, particularly if I'm paying for a refuelling airport in the middle :P 08:53:33 <juzza1> cargo delivery rates are calculated with manhattan distances, so my bet would be on that 08:55:07 <Cadmus> juzza1: Thanks, I might have a play on the weekend. I'm on a C-shaped archipelago at the moment so the distance between the tips is all-critical :) 08:55:10 <juzza1> nope, seems it's euclidean after all (from http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles#Vehicle_callbacks) 08:56:01 <juzza1> or better yet, this one http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles#Plane_properties 08:56:34 <Cadmus> Thanks juzza1 08:57:27 <planetmaker> We don't guarantee one or the other distance metric ;-) 08:58:12 <Cadmus> Time for some testing then, for a start what square of the airport does it use? (I would guess top left) 08:59:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6712D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:00:38 <planetmaker> Likely av8 gives distance in euclidean, though 09:05:45 *** Cadmus [~toms@31.24.34.18] has left #openttd [] 09:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "the certuficate for this server expired" 09:50:54 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-5-157-16.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 09:53:26 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A015.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:05:26 *** sla_ro|master [boty@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 10:07:22 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 10:11:12 <Samu> hey, a suggestion 10:11:36 <Samu> ships cargo type displayed on ship list 10:12:13 <Samu> a small icon indicator 10:22:59 <tycoondemon> he, a suggestion 10:23:05 <tycoondemon> make a feature request 10:23:26 <juzza1> what about refittable ships? 10:23:41 <tycoondemon> a nuts ship grf 10:27:57 <Samu> that is the reason 10:28:14 <Samu> yate cargo ship 10:28:29 <Samu> looks the same no matter what cargo it carries 10:28:42 <Samu> i want to distinguish them somehow 10:28:46 <Samu> from a big list 10:30:17 <Samu> perhaps do that only for refitable vehicles 10:33:21 <Samu> Still about ships, the loading indicator 10:33:46 <Samu> overlaps with other ships also loading from the same dock 10:34:34 <Samu> maybe hide ships with 0% load 10:34:46 <Samu> hide the indicator for those 10:35:51 <Samu> or hmm, prioritize the highest load indicator and hide the others 10:57:43 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:05:23 <planetmaker> Samu, it's up to the NewGRF to show different cargos or not 11:08:17 <Samu> oh 11:08:41 <Samu> planetmaker: 11:09:19 <Samu> planetmaker: those icons displaying what's waiting on a station 11:09:25 <Samu> what do you call that 11:09:47 <planetmaker> cargo icons? 11:09:49 <Samu> there's an icon for each cargo 11:09:50 <Samu> yes 11:10:13 <Samu> place that icon next to a ship when listing ships 11:10:44 <Samu> the ship still looks the same 11:10:51 <Samu> but there's that icon next to it 11:15:20 <Samu> ship number on top, the profit last year icon in the middle, the cargo type on bottom? 11:15:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:43 <Samu> there's some room there 11:15:54 <planetmaker> I see what you mean. Makes sense 11:16:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but do you find that room on train/rv lists as well? 11:16:16 <__ln__> so.. were you wearing a uniform or vulcan ears? 11:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be done for all vehicle types the same way 11:16:27 <planetmaker> __ln__, no 11:16:30 <Samu> trains don't have enough room 11:16:52 <Samu> maybe reorganizing the icons 11:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: nobody does that outside some early preview events 11:17:05 <Samu> top left is number 11:17:18 <Samu> top right is whatever 11:17:28 <Samu> bottom left is profit last year 11:17:35 <Samu> bottom right, cargo icon 11:17:39 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: i've seen uniform(s) in the premiere of the previous one. 11:17:59 <Samu> and to the right of those 4 icons, the train 11:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: yes, but that was 2 weeks ago :p 11:18:04 <Samu> and the rest of info 11:19:25 <Samu> problem might be a large number 11:19:38 <Samu> top left+right combined as a number? 11:19:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the only time i remember actually wearing "costume" to a movie was "7 dwarfs 2", where all of us had won some dwarf hat in a previous event, so we wore them when we went to the movie 11:20:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: keep in mind that these vehicles may carry multiple cargos 11:20:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:15 <Samu> oh, aircraft 11:21:19 <Samu> passenger/mail 11:21:24 <Samu> hmm i dont know then 11:22:10 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that room could be made, probably. Though trains is difficult with articulated and different refits 11:22:25 <planetmaker> Samu, so, please go and make concept studies on how the GUI should look like 11:22:40 <planetmaker> no programming. But like graphics work to show what it could look like 11:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "mock up" it's called :) 11:22:57 <Samu> paint skills :p 11:23:14 <Samu> or photosho+p 11:23:17 <planetmaker> thanks Eddi|zuHause. I was searching the word, but it was eluding me 11:23:28 <planetmaker> no skills needed there really either 11:23:36 <planetmaker> not much at least 11:24:11 <Samu> what is articulated? 11:24:23 <planetmaker> a tram with several wagons for instance 11:24:39 <Samu> ah and each wagon can refit? 11:25:08 <planetmaker> can have different cargo, yes 11:25:17 <Samu> ouch 11:25:26 <planetmaker> and... what to do with invisible vehicles? which some newgrfs use? 11:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause> IMHO it should be for the whole consist 11:26:33 <planetmaker> that might be easier, yes 11:26:50 <planetmaker> thus a set of icons for each articulated thing. but separate for each wagon in a train 11:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i mean for the whole train 11:27:36 <planetmaker> hm... Not sure 11:27:51 <planetmaker> it makes sense in the depot to know which wagon is what. For re-arranging trains 11:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i use the train details window for that 11:28:48 <planetmaker> bad for comparing trains 11:29:00 <planetmaker> and bad for changing a train 11:29:37 <planetmaker> and type of cargo is one of the most important info really 11:29:54 <planetmaker> questionable though... how does cargo display work with autorefit? 11:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the vehicle only has one current cargo 11:30:32 <planetmaker> yes, it has 11:31:52 <Samu> i was thinking what the vehicle is capable of carrying, not what it is currently carrying 11:32:10 <planetmaker> that's virtually impossible to determine, samu 11:32:45 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:48 <Samu> why's that? 11:33:14 <Samu> shows what type of cargo 11:33:16 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 11:33:27 <Samu> not how much of it 11:33:37 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: he means capacity 11:34:16 <planetmaker> it's the newgrf's decision. And maybe you cannot refit to coal on mondays. and fridays only at half capacity 11:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: again, that is NOT what he meant 11:35:23 <Eddi|zuHause> he means what it's capable of LOADING, not what it's capable of REFITTING 11:35:35 <Samu> yeh 11:35:53 <Samu> when it refits to something else, it will display another cargo icon 11:36:14 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes. And an autorefit vehicle, is capable of loading coal, iron ore, copper ore and milk, maybe 11:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: no 11:36:25 <planetmaker> of course?! 11:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it's capable of loading <whatever was loaded last> 11:36:53 <planetmaker> if empty, it's capable to load anything it can autorefit to 11:37:06 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 11:37:12 <planetmaker> explain your 'no' 11:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it has exactly one cargo it is refitted to 11:37:25 <planetmaker> and it refits to the other, if the station has the other 11:37:36 <Samu> autorefit means it will refit to anything it finds waiting to load on a station? 11:37:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the vehicle has no idea whether at the next station it is loading, autorefit is even enabled 11:38:11 <planetmaker> autorefit means whatever the vehicle allows it to refit to at station or depot at the cost it wants it 11:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and we decided it should NOT CONSIDER REFITS 11:38:37 <planetmaker> *you* decided 11:38:39 <Eddi|zuHause> only what it is currently refitted to 11:38:43 <planetmaker> in this discussion's middle somewhere 11:39:02 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i was trying to tell you what Samu was suggesting 11:39:13 <Eddi|zuHause> as you clearly had something entirely different in your mind 11:39:15 <Samu> that would be kinda like implicit orders? 11:39:22 <planetmaker> sure. I'd say "your interpretation of what he tries to suggest" 11:40:15 <Samu> they show up but no one likes to see those orders 11:40:31 <Samu> messes up the vehicle list 11:40:38 <Samu> on a specific station 11:45:04 <Samu> is autorefit the same as this example: send cargo ship loading goods from dock1, deliver them to dock2, go to depot, refit to oil, go to dock3 to load oil, go to dock 1, unload oil, go depot and refit to goods? 11:45:24 <Samu> well, oil is a bad example, ok, grain~ 11:45:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:51 <juzza1> autorefitting works without a depot 11:47:59 <planetmaker> autorefit basically allows to skip the depot visits. It's meant to allow loading iron ore or copper ore w/o visiting depot for 'refit' 11:47:59 <juzza1> so no, it's not the same 11:48:32 <Samu> :( 11:48:50 <planetmaker> or to allow a container freighter to carry either fruits or goods or wool. 11:49:04 <Pinkbeast> And it typically only works on cargos that are fairly uncontroversially similar - coal and iron ore, say - where it doesn't make sense that you need a formal refit to empty a hopper of one and fill it with the other 11:49:34 <planetmaker> where it works is entirely the newgrf's decision 11:49:36 <Samu> i've never played NewGRF :( 11:49:55 <planetmaker> you may allow to load either milk or crude oil in the same vehicle w/o refit. Bon appetit ;-) 11:50:24 <Samu> i understand the problem now 11:51:03 <Samu> so it is sorta like those implicit orders showing up out of nowhere 11:51:17 <planetmaker> anyway, one *could* decide to only display current cargo 11:51:20 <Samu> what is the timer on those implicit orders? 11:51:28 <planetmaker> and no, it's not like that at all. And there's no timer anywhere 11:51:41 <Samu> it cleans up sometimes 11:52:05 <Samu> i have 2 orders but sometimes a 3rd once shows up grayed out 11:52:26 <Samu> as time passes by, it can disappear 11:52:35 <Samu> like some extra road added to the route 11:52:51 <Samu> a bus then won't go to where it was picking up the implicit order 11:53:52 <Samu> what is happening in this example then? 11:54:16 <planetmaker> it went there once. but not the next time it made the tour 11:54:58 <Samu> hmm I see 11:56:31 <Samu> could work similar to this for autorefit? 11:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see the connection 11:57:54 <Samu> if the journey does have the same orders the whole time, it will pick the same cargo types, right? 11:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it depends on what cargo is waiting on the station 12:01:09 <Samu> well, implicit orders aren't 100% proof either 12:02:00 <Samu> maybe some compromise, what cargo type it carried last journey? 12:02:05 <Samu> types* 12:07:39 <juzza1> btw if you need to differentiate vehicles in the vehicle list right now, you can rename them. renamed vehicles have their name shown in the vehicle list 12:09:34 <Pinkbeast> Or sort by capacity by cargo type? 12:10:17 <Samu> that was where I first based my idea, but... seems a bit random at times 12:11:04 <Samu> it carries 160 units of a lot of different cargo types 12:11:47 <Samu> yate cargo ship still looks the same, so there's still no easy way to distinguish 12:12:14 <Samu> they just happen to have the same cargo be grouped 12:12:35 <Samu> on the list 12:20:07 <Eddi|zuHause> my solution to that is usually group them by route or by cargo type 12:20:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's tedious to set up for a running game 12:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and to keep it tidy once you add vehicles 12:23:47 <planetmaker> I usually go by route for the groups 12:23:58 <planetmaker> But often that includes only one cargo 12:24:19 *** Pecio [~fgh@bnd44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 12:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually do routes for passenges, and cargo type for cargo 12:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> as there aren't that many cargo routes usually 12:28:43 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:24 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:54 *** oskari89m [~oskari89m@37-136-134-133.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:37:02 <Samu> my paint skills are terrible 12:39:06 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:39:33 <Samu> i'm coming up with something more as well, it's shaping up 12:41:18 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 12:52:30 <Samu> I am soooo slow 12:52:39 <Samu> where can i upload images? 12:52:50 <Samu> skydrive, brb 12:54:46 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55:03 <Samu> here it is 12:55:06 <Samu> https://rupavq.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2prnOEFhodbgKKcTzs-uv73fweq45F0-0M0ZNNiEXidkD7u3DM1LFYFivODFNNz_0GXbun3lcTenl-xAwT6rZEmmx0CxLB52Ty1Y9ndGBHqys/super%20ship%2015%20windows%20paint-shop'ed.png?psid=1 12:55:11 <Samu> lol 12:55:15 <Samu> that's an image 12:55:44 <Samu> I'm going to edit another image for ship listing 12:55:54 <Samu> will be about what I was talking here 12:57:43 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't load 12:59:21 <Samu> let me shrink link 13:00:06 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:51 <Samu> http://sdrv.ms/10XO283 13:01:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6712D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 13:02:54 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 13:03:35 *** oskari89m [~oskari89m@37-136-134-133.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 13:03:53 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [] 13:06:22 <Belugas> hello 13:07:11 <planetmaker> that definitely won't work with autorefit, samu. Nor need not work without it either 13:07:34 <planetmaker> e.g. I buy a passenger train. And give it those orders. Then the symbols will never be correct 13:08:00 <Samu> ah 13:08:19 <Samu> so forget that one 13:08:54 <Samu> i'm editing the other image, finding those little icons is slowing me 13:10:17 <planetmaker> oh, even caching would not work... with shared orders, trains of different cargo and refit capability could share the same set of orders... difficult to display then. 13:27:36 <Samu> http://sdrv.ms/11feQQ4 13:27:52 <Samu> i'm heading to bed next 13:28:00 <Samu> that is the other image 13:28:41 <Samu> or this link https://rup2pg.dm1.livefilestore.com/y2plb9HLuOcPZv2O9OMOXSYJLgCycEnvb2JF6ZdNo-h_z_iW5H2ocOLXJ8IfGScbXdM3LPdo3zDaoxLEx5kTy3PaMpnhY5r9sjVUnukVKjtD8g/ship%20listing%20windows%20paint-shop'ed.png?psid=1 13:29:03 <Samu> if it carries moar cargo types 13:29:30 <Samu> push ships to the right and put more cargo types next to others 13:30:00 <Samu> ships, or trains, or whatever vehicle 13:30:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:30:55 <Samu> or grid the cargo types by 2 for trains and road vehicles, 3 for aircraft and ships 13:31:14 <Samu> pushes to the right by each 2 or 3 cargo 13:32:52 <Samu> i have to go to bed, say something so i can go :p 13:36:15 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 13:41:19 <Samu> :8 13:43:02 <Samu> well I'm going 13:43:15 <Samu> can't stay any longer or I die on my desk 13:43:34 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@155.135.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:05:51 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 14:11:32 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:24:14 <Terkhen> hello 14:26:38 <Mazur> olleh 14:35:20 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 14:46:32 *** sla_ro|master [boty@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 14:48:47 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:31:11 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-70.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:26 * LordAro waves 15:32:53 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@ip4daa59e3.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 15:34:14 <planetmaker> hola 15:34:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@ip-213-127-161-46.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:07 <LordAro> hai planetmaker 15:55:18 *** permagreen [~donovan@204-195-27-175.wavecable.com] has joined #openttd 15:56:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:48 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@host86-165-36-44.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:13:23 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-70.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:16 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 16:15:59 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:17:46 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B96B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:30:29 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:44:30 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:44:47 <Alberth> moin 16:45:08 <Rubidium> hi Alberth 17:10:06 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 17:25:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc0cf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:02 <Alberth> moin 17:35:29 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3BE3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:19 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25280 /trunk/src/lang (finnish.txt korean.txt) (2013-05-24 17:45:11 UTC) 17:45:20 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:21 <DorpsGek> finnish - 10 changes by jpx_ 17:45:22 <DorpsGek> korean - 22 changes by telk5093 17:55:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.233.3.31] has joined #openttd 17:55:46 <Alberth> o/ 17:56:04 <Wolf01> hello :D 17:57:52 <Wolf01> today I finished building my new lego 42000 (f1 car), it, is, enourmous 17:58:08 <Alberth> \o/ 17:58:14 <Alberth> now you can ride it? 17:58:36 <Wolf01> yes, but it won't move until I'll purchase the power pack 17:59:14 <Alberth> sell your car, as you now can use the f1 car 17:59:38 <Wolf01> too bad I can't use it on road, I need a license plate :P 17:59:47 <Alberth> bummer 18:00:02 <Alberth> how big is it? 18:00:12 <Wolf01> 53cm 18:00:20 <Alberth> wow 18:00:39 <Wolf01> I think it's the largest lego I purchased so far 18:01:25 <Wolf01> (the power pack leaves me with a big question: what is the purpouse to add a motor if you need to put your hands on it to steer) 18:01:49 <peter1138> heh 18:02:03 <Alberth> doesn't make a lot of sense imho, unless you put in a radio controlled steer as well 18:02:30 <Wolf01> or you have a big room and let the car go in circles 18:02:31 <Alberth> perhaps it is too heavy to push manually ? :) 18:02:38 <juzza1> buy the rock crawler, and get the good stuff from it :P 18:02:40 <Wolf01> nah :D 18:03:16 <Alberth> maybe if you put the power pack in as well :p 18:04:32 <Wolf01> the next one will be the excavator (42006) 18:05:14 <Alberth> spiffy 18:05:26 <juzza1> lego will release the biggest technic so far later this year 18:05:33 <juzza1> i think that is a must for me 18:09:53 <Rubidium> you mean: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18nvouofdzbhbjpg/original.jpg 18:10:34 <juzza1> haha :D yes indeed 18:10:43 <Wolf01> that's wonderful 18:11:10 <Wolf01> at first I believed it was built with large pieces, but then I looked better 18:12:14 <juzza1> i like how it even has the lego text on top of the studs 18:27:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6712D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:03 *** Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-245-243.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Ack! 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And so did I ;-) 21:18:03 <V453000> well obviously, I also skim through text to the important things 21:18:08 <V453000> image helps :) 21:19:21 <V453000> especially if something is so simple as that 21:19:26 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 21:19:48 *** sla_ro|master2 [boty@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 21:33:15 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:42:37 *** chester_ [~chester@128-68-181-247.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:00:23 *** FLHerne_ [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc0cf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:26 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-42-108.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:11:11 <Wolf01> 'night 22:11:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:13:16 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:41 *** Guile [~Guile@ami77-1-78-244-112-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:53 <Guile> Bonsoir? 22:17:12 <Guile> Ya t il une bonne âme pour m'aider un poil s'il vous plaît? :) 22:17:24 <Supercheese> @get -3 22:17:24 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: English only 22:18:03 <Guile> Oops Oo' ... 22:18:19 <Guile> Does anybody here to give me a little help? 22:18:21 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:18:31 <Supercheese> What do you require help with? 22:19:13 <Guile> about how to manage with a product in a station which requires and provide the same product 22:19:52 <Guile> is there anyway to make it take the product and deliver it in the same station? 22:21:06 <Supercheese> A situation like a bank requiring valuables and producing valuables? 22:21:14 <Guile> exactly! 22:21:37 <Supercheese> You cannot deliver the valuables from one bank to the same station you picked them up from 22:21:47 <Guile> in my case is : a train station + airport between iron mine and steel factory 22:22:03 <Guile> oh ok :) 22:22:25 <Supercheese> You could theoretically build a second station right beside and deliver them there, but you would make no profit 22:22:46 <Supercheese> Cargo transport earns more money the farther it goes from station-to-station 22:22:49 <Guile> T_T 22:22:57 <Guile> oh okay :) 22:23:32 <Supercheese> I'm not sure I understand your iron mine and steel mill route, though... 22:23:55 <Supercheese> You can use transfer orders to transfer cargo at a station 22:24:36 <Supercheese> Perhaps this page will be helpful: http://wiki.openttd.org/Service_d%27approvisionnement/Fr 22:32:21 <Guile> oh uh.... iron mine delivers iron, required by steel mill... (not sure of english terms) 22:33:27 <Supercheese> That shouldn't result in one station both providing and accepting a cargo, though 22:33:41 <Supercheese> unless the iron mine and steel mill were right next to each other 22:34:04 <Guile> they are 22:34:12 <Supercheese> You will require two stations, then 22:34:15 <Guile> not so closed, though 22:34:21 <Guile> I did it too 22:34:30 <Guile> but I made a big big big airport 22:35:07 <Guile> that increased the area that covers now both buildings :( 22:35:30 <Guile> now I have useless iron in that station :( 22:37:31 <Supercheese> Yes, that happens sometimes. You'll either have to make the station that has the excess iron the new pickup station and build another delivery station, or bulldoze the station with the excess iron and rebuild it so it doesn't get any iron 22:38:02 <Supercheese> rebuild it after the station name disappears, that is 22:38:38 <Guile> okay 22:40:00 <Guile> thank you! :) 22:51:33 *** Guile [~Guile@ami77-1-78-244-112-121.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 23:01:59 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-36-44.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:02:58 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@ip4daa59e3.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:36 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 23:07:56 <HellTiger> !!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qwKCQ4M2Nw 23:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i never played that game 23:10:39 <V453000> neither 23:13:57 <HellTiger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfrsvfcZ8ZE 23:14:26 <HellTiger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AFqYeXKK3I 23:14:29 <HellTiger> then. 23:15:12 <Supercheese> I prefer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X75bh7QtX0I 23:15:35 <Supercheese> I sing that song a lot, basically like that :O 23:21:32 <Supercheese> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqoJAyt4NQ4 this one too 23:33:28 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:37:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-5-157-16.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 23:56:42 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit []