Log for #openttd on 24th June 2013:
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00:09:44  <Supercheese> Ugh, svn just broke horribly
00:15:14  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm always amazed that my usual patches don't cause conflicts on update
00:17:33  <Eddi|zuHause> +               if (owner == OWNER_NONE) owner = _current_company;
00:17:40  <Eddi|zuHause> no idea what that was meant for
00:17:47  <Eddi|zuHause> in tunnelbridge code...
00:26:48  <canin> I wish ottd went merc.
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00:55:35  <Bad_Brett> hello
01:05:34  <Supercheese> Greetings
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01:23:39  <Bad_Brett> ah! supercheese! what are you up to?
01:24:22  <Supercheese> well, slowly making a Fairey Rotodyne for OTTD
01:24:35  <Supercheese> One of these beasts:
01:25:11  <Supercheese> and having the new version of SVN break things horribl
01:25:13  <Supercheese> y
01:26:25  <Bad_Brett> it does?
01:26:40  <Bad_Brett> what the hell?
01:26:50  <Bad_Brett> is that a helicopter or a plane?
01:26:55  <Supercheese> yes :)
01:27:56  <Bad_Brett> i don't know what it is ...but i like it.
01:28:04  <Bad_Brett> are you going to replace the military jet?
01:28:16  <Supercheese> no, just add it
01:28:42  <Bad_Brett> Capacity: 40 passengers
01:28:54  <Bad_Brett> not bad
01:29:34  <Supercheese> a larger version was planned
01:29:38  <Supercheese> but of course the project was canceled
01:32:20  <Bad_Brett> :)
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06:21:01  <dihedral> greetings
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11:05:52  <oskari89>
11:09:37  <__ln__> @seen Bjarni
11:09:37  <DorpsGek> __ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 37 weeks, 2 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
11:10:20  <peter1138> @seen tron
11:10:20  <DorpsGek> peter1138: I have not seen tron.
11:10:34  <peter1138> @seen hackykid
11:10:34  <DorpsGek> peter1138: hackykid was last seen in #openttd 3 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Hackykid> hi peter1138
11:11:35  <oskari89> @seen jvassie
11:11:35  <DorpsGek> oskari89: jvassie was last seen in #openttd 4 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 33 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <JVassie> i shall investigate
11:12:00  <TinoDidriksen> The investigation must have taken a dark turn.
11:12:16  <__ln__> would be interesting to know the result
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11:33:57  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone see the irony in peter1138 asking about hackykid, and hackykid saying "hi peter1138"? :p
11:35:02  <Eddi|zuHause> @seen ln-
11:35:02  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: ln- was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 41 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 55 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <ln-> because flooding is bad.  just look what happened to New Orleans.
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12:24:34  <roboboy> Eddi|zuHause, I do
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14:47:12  <andythenorth> cargo label for coffee - CAFE?
14:47:14  <andythenorth> or COFF?
14:47:41  <Rubidium> andythenorth: JAVA ?
14:47:49  <andythenorth> ho ho
14:54:02  <andythenorth> might as well, seeing as nobody else has objected :P
14:55:23  <andythenorth> now I have to edit the wiki :(
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15:00:37  <andythenorth> here's a funny page:
15:00:41  <andythenorth> didn't know about that :P
15:00:50  <andythenorth> somewhat untrue
15:06:57  <andythenorth> having introduced a new cargo, we can now have the bunfight about classes :D
15:07:06  <andythenorth> Coffee is Piece Goods.  Comes in bags.
15:11:03  <Eddi|zuHause> it's like reading an article from the 1950s how everyone will have nuclear-powered cars
15:16:02  <andythenorth> indeed
15:17:27  <andythenorth> feel free to edit :)
15:29:16  * andythenorth wonders if the wiki page can redirect to FIRS docs
15:42:17  <Eddi|zuHause> it shouldn't, but you can certainly add a link
15:43:20  <andythenorth> links rot :P
15:43:25  <andythenorth> so do redirects I guess
15:49:51  <Vinnie_nl> I'm stuck again with NoGo :(
15:50:15  <Vinnie_nl> is it ok to paste code here?
15:50:21  <Vinnie_nl> 5 lines
15:50:25  <andythenorth> pastebin
15:53:47  <Vinnie_nl>
15:55:09  <Vinnie_nl> I can't get the list to include GetLastMonthProduction. In the Valuate part without getting an error about missing parameters
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15:56:42  <Rubidium> does Valuate(<function>, <cargo type>) do the trick?
15:57:09  <Rubidium> though hardcoding 5 for being the coal mine is prone to fail
15:58:21  <Vinnie_nl> welcome to trial and error by noob
16:02:36  <andythenorth> "if only there was a way for industry and GS to work together"
16:03:12  <andythenorth> GS is supposed to be grf independent, and industry newgrfs are considered to have lots of private information...
16:03:17  <andythenorth> good luck :)
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16:03:55  <Vinnie_nl> Am I wasting my time?
16:07:44  <planetmaker> no, not really. you can find out whether the industry is a coal mine
16:08:06  <planetmaker> if it quaks like a mine, it likely is a mine
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16:08:20  <planetmaker> i.e. check for industries which produce coal
16:09:14  <andythenorth> should be reliable for coal
16:09:34  * andythenorth biab
16:10:15  <Vinnie_nl> well code did that just fine, just didn't sort the list the way i wanted
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16:21:07  <oskari89> @seen Michi_cc
16:21:07  <DorpsGek> oskari89: Michi_cc was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 1 day, 5 hours, 21 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <michi_cc> frosch123: I'd think your main fuse will shut you down even earlier than that :)
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16:30:45  <petanek> planetmaker: Hi, man
16:31:16  <petanek> you gave me usefull hints yesterday about dedicated server
16:31:55  <petanek> planetmaker: How can I configure automatic restart after some goal?
16:36:29  <planetmaker> no idea really
16:37:46  <planetmaker> probably you can use the admin port and query goal status. And send restart command, if goal status is XX.
16:37:56  <planetmaker> if goal status cannot be queried... that's a valid feature request
16:38:48  <petanek> some servers have this feature
16:39:22  <planetmaker> you can set it to restart at a certain date. But depending on a goal... dunno :-)
16:39:36  <planetmaker> my servers have also the feature to restart when the map is done
16:39:43  <planetmaker> That feature is called 'human intervention'
16:40:11  <petanek> I have found "Shunter - Openttd server controller" any experiencies with it?
16:40:33  <planetmaker> the only experience I have with that is that the guy does not release his code. Thus otherwise: no
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16:46:21  <petanek> Thats a pitty. However thanks a lot for yesterday help
16:47:17  <planetmaker> petanek, I still miss an open-source implementation for admin port access which is beyond the proof of concept stage
16:48:02  <planetmaker> xshunter is the only implementation I heard of which is beyond that - but as said, I can't say anything about it, I was never given access to it to test myself
16:48:38  <planetmaker> which is a pity really... they get game and content for free - and fear that people might steal their server ideas or whatever
16:50:11  <planetmaker> not sure whether you want to tackle that yourself... there's two library implementations for admin port access which can be used to make your own server control around it
16:50:53  <planetmaker> and
16:51:22  <planetmaker> the latter also has a proof-of-concept implementation:
16:51:35  <planetmaker> libottdadmin is python, joan and grapes java
16:53:43  <planetmaker> at #openttdcoop we still use ap+. It still works for us, but... I can't really recommend that anymore
16:58:28  <petanek> OK,.. I'll use only for me and my frinds olny. It sounds comlicated :-)
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17:10:11  <Bad_Brett> good evening
17:10:47  <Vinnie_nl> hi
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17:18:17  * Xaroth|Work eyes planetmaker
17:18:29  <Xaroth|Work> never realised it was still being used :P
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17:19:35  <Xaroth|Work> I should move that to github at some point
17:21:10  <Eddi|zuHause> "If Snowden wants to make sure he'll never be put in front of a US court, he should go to Guantanamo Bay"
17:21:26  <scshunt> hahaha
17:25:27  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but isn't that where the US will place him when they get him?
17:26:33  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well they didn't do that with Manning
17:26:42  <Vinnie_nl> is it already know that you can crash openttd with signs that have to many characters?
17:27:16  <Eddi|zuHause> if it's on then it's known
17:27:18  <Rubidium> is there a report on the bug tracker?
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17:45:15  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25453 trunk/src/lang/vietnamese.txt (2013-06-24 17:45:08 UTC)
17:45:16  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:17  <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 1 changes by nglekhoi
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17:47:40  <Terkhen> hello
17:48:51  <planetmaker> Xaroth, I think it is NOT being used
17:49:21  <planetmaker> Xaroth, would you grant me a license of that under the agpl 3?
17:50:46  * __ln__ is thinking about booking flights
17:52:01  <planetmaker> also, Xaroth, it's in my bookmark list... which I quote every time s/o asks about admin port :-)
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18:00:16  <Vinnie_nl> another 4 hours wasted finding out that industry ID != Cargo ID
18:00:36  <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: I was more contemplating re-doing it, but if you want to fiddle with it, that's fine with me
18:01:03  <Vinnie_nl> im such an idiot
18:01:25  <planetmaker> Xaroth, I don't mind at all if you want to re-do that
18:01:47  <planetmaker> I recently was thinking - only thinking - about the possibility to do something in that area
18:01:54  * Xaroth|Work nods
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18:01:57  <planetmaker> and as supybot is also in python, a python library would come in handy
18:02:03  <Xaroth|Work> ;)
18:02:06  <Xaroth|Work> python loves libraries
18:02:25  <planetmaker> yeah. and supybot... we have that. so just a server management plugin would be very handy
18:02:29  <Xaroth|Work> i'll have a look at the code, see if it needs updating or anything
18:02:51  <planetmaker> likely it will need some updating. iirc some minor additions have been done since
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18:03:56  <planetmaker> but nothing major, I think
18:04:20  <planetmaker> due to lack of public interest not much was done there from our side either... no fun to programme into a black hole :-)
18:07:35  <Xaroth|Work> always wanted to dabble a bit with metaclasses
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18:33:36  <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: tbh, i'll just migrate it to github, once i figure out how to do that properly, then I'll add you with access
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18:36:00  <Alberth> o/
18:36:57  <Rubidium> planetmaker: want to organise a work meeting for those kinds of bots?
18:37:12  <Rubidium> what about... in a little under 5 weeks? ;)
18:37:41  <andythenorth> have a meeting about fruit
18:39:26  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25454 /trunk/src (11 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-24 18:39:19 UTC)
18:39:27  <DorpsGek> -Remove/Fix/Cleanup: SETX(Y) does not work at all with other than default fonts, so get rid of it
18:43:01  <planetmaker> hm... would work. If such bot developers will come :D
18:43:09  <planetmaker> but I heard Xaroth will come, too, right?
18:44:09  <peter1138> Rubidium, how long until you're declared evil?
18:44:45  <Alberth> by whom?
18:47:29  <planetmaker> peter1138, I guess approx -3 years?
18:51:41  <Xaroth|Work> wait, i am?
18:52:19  * Xaroth|Work eyes TrueBrain
18:52:54  <TrueBrain> he is playing you Xar
18:52:59  <TrueBrain> and you walked right in the trap
18:53:34  <peter1138> Oh true :)
18:56:38  <planetmaker> Xaroth, now... you're trapped. TB ... comes this way :D
18:56:47  <planetmaker> though I don't know the seat count in the car...
18:57:03  <Alberth> it's N-1 now ;p
18:57:20  <TrueBrain> we'll just rent a 9-person car
18:57:34  <Xaroth|Work> when is it
18:57:45  <planetmaker> 27/28 July
18:57:56  <TrueBrain> owh, you settled on a date?
18:57:59  <TrueBrain> *writes down date*
18:58:25  <planetmaker> TrueBrain, yes, people need book planes or trains
18:58:34  <planetmaker> and it was the only date all can make it who registered
18:59:01  <TrueBrain> awesome :D
18:59:03  <TrueBrain> looking forward to it :D
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18:59:40  <planetmaker> and I didn't see need to drag the decision :-)
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19:04:36  <Xaroth|Work> not sure if i'm available those dates; will see
19:07:44  <__ln__> anyone invited Bjarni?
19:10:56  <andythenorth> TrueBrain is going!
19:10:59  <andythenorth> :)
19:11:16  * andythenorth can't
19:11:24  <andythenorth> our annual work summer party is that weekend
19:11:29  <Rubidium> Alberth: does the N-1 mean you can't come?
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19:12:00  <Alberth> I intended to mean that there is one less free seat :)
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19:13:33  <planetmaker> wouldn't our long-distance swimmer hire a sear in your car, too, TrueBrain ?
19:13:39  <planetmaker> *seat
19:14:11  <TrueBrain> depends on his arrival I guess
19:14:16  <TrueBrain> we will figure it out, I am sure :)
19:14:19  <TrueBrain> enough possibilities :)
19:14:36  <Rubidium> planetmaker: also depends on the other activities he wants to do
19:15:08  <TrueBrain> but without saying, he has piority :)
19:15:29  * andythenorth wonders if pikka will go?
19:15:52  <Rubidium> that might be especially pricey
19:16:26  <__ln__> @seen Celestar
19:16:26  <DorpsGek> __ln__: Celestar was last seen in #openttd 10 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Celestar> hi :D
19:17:20  <planetmaker> Rubidium, sure. I'd love it, if he can arrange to stay through to monday or even leave only on Tuesday. Would allow for some nice joint photo sessions :-)
19:17:35  <planetmaker> but well. we shall see what he can find and book :-)
19:18:22  <__ln__> are you talking about the person whose nick begins with B and whose ruler is queen Elisabeth II?
19:18:40  <planetmaker> yes
19:20:15  <Rubidium> planetmaker: not sure which day he flies, but then he needs to leave at 05:51 from the station
19:20:35  <planetmaker> yes, that's what it depends on
19:20:50  <planetmaker> but we were hoping that we could arrange something like that
19:21:12  <Rubidium> alternatively he can sleep on my couch
19:23:31  <Rubidium> which would make the departure time more bearable (17:51 from you, and 10:35 from my nearest station)
19:24:17  <planetmaker> sure. unless he manages to fly a day later
19:24:54  <Rubidium> furthermore it would be possible to head for you immediately when he arrives on friday morning, and then return on sunday towards me and do some sight seeing on monday
19:25:26  <planetmaker> yeah. I guess ... we should discuss that with him when he has actually found a flight
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19:26:11  <Rubidium> although... by train it's probably 16:00 before arriving there
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19:37:24  * andythenorth needs partial compiler for FIRS :P
19:38:09  <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: whereabouts is it
19:38:17  <Xaroth|Work> maybe I can make one day; but that's tricky still
19:38:47  <Xaroth|Work> or, in vague terms, how far drive from amsterdam :P
19:38:52  <planetmaker> braunschweig. ~4.5hours from Eindhoven
19:39:14  <planetmaker> Amsterdam... 7h train or car. maybe 6 by car, if you're fast and lucky
19:39:27  <andythenorth> hmm, maybe the python stage can handle partial compiles
19:39:36  <__ln__> @seen SmatZ
19:39:36  <DorpsGek> __ln__: SmatZ was last seen in #openttd 22 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <SmatZ> I think one has to first load the intro game so the newgrf scan can be shown
19:39:41  <andythenorth> by only loading a subset of industries...
19:39:54  <andythenorth> "if I only had the time, I could save lots of time"
19:40:41  <Supercheese> andy:
19:40:54  <andythenorth> seen it before :)
19:40:57  <Supercheese> :D
19:41:04  <Supercheese> rather relevant
19:41:38  <SmatZ> hello __ln__ :)
19:41:50  <SmatZ> how do you do?
19:41:50  <Alberth> o/ SmatZ
19:41:58  <SmatZ> hello ;-)
19:41:58  <planetmaker> SmatZ, !
19:42:09  <Supercheese> Wow, the @seen must have drawn him in :P
19:42:13  <SmatZ> hehe
19:42:31  <planetmaker> SmatZ, any plans for 27/28 July? :D
19:42:55  <SmatZ> I noticed OpenTTD gives compilation warnings when compiled with gcc 4.7...
19:43:05  <SmatZ> well, I guess I have some plans
19:43:08  <SmatZ> like, holidays
19:43:11  <SmatZ> buttt
19:43:41  <SmatZ> I am entering new job @ 1st August, so I will take my holidays at the end of July
19:43:50  <Rubidium> SmatZ: compilation warnings like? ;)
19:43:59  <SmatZ> what should be my plans @ 27/28 of July?
19:44:08  <SmatZ> Rubidium: re-defining of _FORTIFY_SOURCES
19:44:18  <planetmaker> same place as last time with similar people and similar food
19:44:30  <SmatZ> mmm cake :)
19:44:38  <SmatZ> @revision
19:44:43  <SmatZ> mmmm wrong channel :)
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19:44:53  <planetmaker> I was told the path finding should be improved though, SmatZ ;-)
19:44:53  <SmatZ> Rubidium: <command-line>:0:0: warning: "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined [enabled by default]
19:45:09  <SmatZ> hehe :) I should buy a current map then :)
19:45:12  <planetmaker> V453000, where are you
19:45:21  <planetmaker> (he said, he'd get a navi)
19:45:29  <Rubidium> SmatZ: so your compiler already defines FORTIFY_SOURCE
19:45:36  <V453000> OH HELO :D
19:45:45  <SmatZ> Rubidium: seems so - I wonder why it happens only with 4.7
19:45:47  <SmatZ> hello V453000 :)
19:46:00  <SmatZ> how are your C++1x studies going? :)
19:46:23  <V453000> NO :D
19:46:26  <V453000> sooo
19:46:31  <__ln__> hello SmatZ, i'm doing fine, thank you
19:46:31  <V453000> trip on 27th? :D
19:47:11  <SmatZ> I really have to think it through
19:47:27  <SmatZ> I have 9 days of holidays left, till 1st August
19:47:56  <__ln__> 27th is during weekend
19:48:01  <SmatZ> I plan to take holidays 19th-31st of July, and have a trip somewhere to the Southern Europe
19:48:23  <SmatZ> it's kinda far for South to Braunschweig
19:48:31  <SmatZ> or I can take my holidays earlier
19:48:43  <SmatZ> and go to Braunschweig on 27th :)
19:50:26  <SmatZ> unless I lose my driving licence by then... something with having .21%o, bah :-/
19:50:55  <planetmaker> err... what?
19:51:28  <SmatZ> that alcohol level you don't even know you have any... but police does know :)
19:51:46  <planetmaker> in Germany that would be ok :-P
19:51:55  <planetmaker> except if you actually crash
19:51:58  <SmatZ> almost everywhere it would be ok :)
19:52:43  <SmatZ> but it should be "tolerated" under .24%o because of having "no provable effect on driving skills"
19:53:31  <SmatZ> but ok, I will try hard to get to the party on 27th :)
19:53:44  <SmatZ> what party will it be?
19:53:52  <SmatZ> r25k? :)
19:54:28  <planetmaker>
19:54:59  <planetmaker> so, in a way yes
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19:57:10  <SmatZ> nice, A LOT OF people!
19:57:18  <SmatZ> like, Belugas! from Canada!
19:57:31  <SmatZ> it's a must-go for me :)
19:57:40  <planetmaker> haha :-)
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19:59:05  <frosch123> so, only missing ones are yexo and zachanima now, right?
19:59:37  <planetmaker> basically yes
19:59:54  <planetmaker> I wonder if we can motivate yexo :-)
20:00:04  <andythenorth> go big
20:00:05  <SmatZ> :)
20:00:07  <andythenorth> try for Dalestan
20:00:19  <SmatZ> :P
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20:15:00  <V453000> I iz in teh list naow
20:17:10  <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: did you have any requests for libottdadmin?
20:21:40  <andythenorth> ugh
20:21:46  <andythenorth> while FIRS is compiling I go on YT
20:21:52  <andythenorth> then I waste 10 mins reading comments
20:22:14  <V453000> exactly, long compiling times are taking away so much focus :D
20:22:19  <V453000> I know exactly what you are talking about :D
20:23:22  <planetmaker> Xaroth, not yet really. I've not dived deep enough into it
20:24:16  <planetmaker> yeah... I always hope that my changes to opengfx+landscape are not in the main source files... then it takes 30 minutes to re-generate all sprites :D
20:24:22  <planetmaker> even with like -j6
20:24:37  <planetmaker> I leave the other two cores for youtube and stuff :D
20:25:04  <andythenorth> I really need to fix FIRS compiles :P
20:26:01  <planetmaker> why is it that slow... slowest is sprites and they're reasonably cached
20:26:26  <planetmaker> even opengfx is reasonably fast when I only changed a sprite
20:26:34  <V453000> Ammler is not coming? :(
20:26:41  <andythenorth> planetmaker: it's just big
20:27:06  <planetmaker> oh, dunno... he's rarely on... Ammler should come to BS on 27/28 July
20:27:19  <planetmaker> I fear he won't :-(
20:27:40  <andythenorth> firs.nml is nearly 300k lines
20:27:47  <andythenorth> ok, lot's are empty newlines
20:27:51  <andythenorth> lots *
20:27:55  <V453000> template-generated, that is cheating! :P
20:28:05  <planetmaker> no :-)
20:28:17  <V453000> oh :D
20:28:27  <planetmaker> V453000, otherwise opengfx+landscape has around... 20 sprites :D
20:28:34  <V453000> mhm :)
20:28:38  <planetmaker> the rest is template-generated
20:29:03  <andythenorth> herp, my templating step has gone from 10s to 30s
20:29:05  <andythenorth> how interesting
20:29:28  <V453000> also where is andythenorth on 27th
20:29:29  <V453000> the hell
20:29:37  <andythenorth> doing a work thing
20:29:41  <andythenorth> hope it's sunny
20:29:48  <andythenorth> we'll be outside
20:29:57  <planetmaker> we hopefully, too
20:30:05  <planetmaker> will be crowded otherwise :-)
20:32:27  <andythenorth>
20:32:36  <andythenorth> 'alpine.grf'
20:32:43  <andythenorth> (green + snow)
20:32:45  <planetmaker> yeah :-)
20:33:02  <planetmaker> alberth made me wonder if arctic isn't too... gloomy by default
20:33:42  <andythenorth> herp, actual alpine
20:36:23  <planetmaker> also alpine
20:37:13  <andythenorth> lok
20:38:08  <planetmaker> lok?
20:40:05  <V453000> I would understand it as "random reply to a photo" :D
20:40:33  <andythenorth> is that small thing a lok?
20:41:18  <andythenorth> nvm if I'm talking nonsense
20:41:23  <Bad_Brett> it is
20:41:27  <planetmaker> it's an engine, yes
20:41:35  <Bad_Brett> at least in sweden it's a lok
20:41:38  <planetmaker> I didn't know that English-men used "lok"
20:43:12  <V453000> I think lok2000 is a specific model pm
20:43:35  <planetmaker> that might be. But I've no clue as of what model I imaged there :-)
20:43:43  <andythenorth> I built some austrian engines in lego, approximately
20:43:52  <andythenorth> I remembered the word lok from there
20:43:53  <V453000> :D
20:44:34  <planetmaker> yes... it's the German word for rail engine... with capital "L". Lok
20:44:41  <planetmaker> or long form Lokomotive
20:44:59  <V453000> zugzug :))
20:45:08  <planetmaker> nono :-)
20:45:19  <planetmaker> just Zug. Not to confuse with the town of Zug
20:45:57  <V453000> zugzugzug :)
20:46:28  <planetmaker> hm, it's even the name of a whole kanton
20:46:44  <planetmaker>
20:47:32  <V453000> :D
20:48:23  <Bad_Brett> how do i set the length of a ship in NML?
20:48:39  <michi_cc> planetmaker: Should we try to invite mb? ;)
20:48:42  <frosch123> there is no such thing as the length of a ship
20:49:13  <planetmaker> ^
20:49:20  <Supercheese> set the sprite bounding box
20:49:22  <V453000> train ships have lengths :(
20:49:23  <Supercheese> that's about all you do
20:49:26  * V453000 runs away with tears
20:49:31  <V453000> *in tears
20:51:39  <Bad_Brett> oh yeah... they lack collision detection. well, i guess that will make it easy to add the graphics then
20:51:41  <planetmaker> is dihedral actually around? :-)
20:52:34  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25455 /trunk/src (gfx.cpp gfx_func.h) (2013-06-24 20:52:28 UTC)
20:52:35  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: make local function really local
20:57:56  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25456 trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp (2013-06-24 20:57:50 UTC)
20:57:57  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5560]: Assertion when opening the refit GUI for a not refittable vehicle.
20:58:32  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25457 trunk/src/order_gui.cpp (2013-06-24 20:58:25 UTC)
20:58:33  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Do not test EF_AUTO_REFIT for the mail apartment or rotor of aircraft.
21:00:37  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean a compartment? :)
21:01:06  <planetmaker> :-)
21:01:11  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25458 trunk/src/order_gui.cpp (2013-06-24 21:01:05 UTC)
21:01:12  <DorpsGek> -Fix-ish: Enable the autorefit-button in the order GUI in case the vehicle is not auto-refittable but already has a autorefit-order set to allow clearing the refit.
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21:02:31  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25459 trunk/src/order_gui.cpp (2013-06-24 21:02:26 UTC)
21:02:32  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Disable the depot-refit button in the order GUI, if the consist is not refittable.
21:03:42  <Eddi|zuHause> "Correlation or causality: when air pollution drops, the number of tropical storms rises" :p
21:04:34  <planetmaker> aerosols heavily influence energy input and distribution in the atmosphere
21:07:50  <peter1138> hmm, diffing json wasn't such a great idea... there's no line breaks :p
21:19:11  <andythenorth> hmm, chameleon templating is 7x too slow for reasons I can't see
21:20:59  <V453000> chameleons are usually slow
21:21:10  <V453000> WHEREAS UNICORNS ...
21:22:26  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: token-based diff :)
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21:36:42  <frosch123> night
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21:39:59  <andythenorth> hmm
21:40:07  <andythenorth> anyone can answer this one for me?
21:40:17  <andythenorth> town effect got discussed a few times for FIRS
21:40:21  <andythenorth> but I don't recall the outcome
21:40:43  <peter1138> a specific json diff will do the job, but then i needn't be serializing to json in the first place
21:40:47  <andythenorth> I thought only one cargo could define each TE
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21:59:49  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: there...
22:00:11  <Eddi|zuHause> one TE per cargo, multiple cargos per TE
22:00:28  <Terkhen> good night
22:00:29  <andythenorth> oh thanks
22:00:37  <andythenorth> oh yes, the gui was the limitation
22:00:42  <andythenorth> I don't like hidden magic
22:00:50  <andythenorth> didn't that get fixed some time back though?
22:01:00  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the GUI got fixed with cargo lists
22:01:06  <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't followed this
22:01:34  <andythenorth> me neither :)
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22:08:09  <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: you happen to recall where the documentation for the admin protocol resided?
22:09:27  <planetmaker> Xaroth, yes... in your library, in dih's library, and in OpenTTD's source code
22:09:38  * planetmaker also assumes that you hoped for another answer
22:09:58  <glx> isn't there something on the wiki too ?
22:09:59  <planetmaker> src/network/network_admin* or so
22:10:01  <Xaroth|Work> there was a text file which explained everything
22:10:07  <Xaroth|Work> besides the source files
22:10:07  <planetmaker> oh? hm
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22:10:37  <planetmaker> docs/admin_network.txt
22:10:52  <Xaroth|Work> AH!
22:10:52  <Xaroth|Work> thanks
22:11:27  <__ln__> 22:59 < frosch123> so, only missing ones are yexo and zachanima now, right?  <-- actually also Ammler
22:11:41  <planetmaker> sounds like the first place I'd have looked :-P
22:11:46  <andythenorth> is coffee an express cargo? :P
22:11:52  <andythenorth> (coffee beans, not liquid coffee)
22:11:54  <Xaroth|Work> I.. don't venture often in the ottd source ;)
22:11:59  <planetmaker> andythenorth, no
22:12:09  * andythenorth agrees
22:12:45  <planetmaker> Xaroth, if you feel like... a supybot plugin would be ideal :D
22:13:45  <Xaroth|Work> supybot gives me headaches :P
22:13:58  <Xaroth|Work> first I'm optimizing the packet lib a weeeee bit
22:14:42  <DorpsGek> tsk tsk
22:14:58  * Xaroth|Work eyes planetmaker
22:15:09  <Xaroth|Work> TrueBrain was talking when that happened, so it was you :P
22:15:21  <Xaroth|Work> or at least, it wasn't him for once
22:15:30  <planetmaker> lies!
22:16:13  <planetmaker> :-)
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22:16:53  <Xaroth|Work> I can clearly see I made my old lib YEARS ago
22:18:31  <planetmaker> :-)
22:18:48  <planetmaker> yes, you even stopped following your own code, according to github :-P
22:18:56  <Xaroth|Work> er, bitbucket
22:19:07  <Xaroth|Work> and yes, I messed something up with my account there :P
22:19:15  <Xaroth|Work> have since switched to github as well
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22:19:47  <Xaroth|Work> which, to me, works a gazillion times better
22:22:00  <Eddi|zuHause>
22:23:41  <Xaroth|Work> a train that unrolls it's own power cable?
22:23:58  <andythenorth> tram?
22:24:19  <Eddi|zuHause> industrial shunting stuff
22:24:20  <planetmaker> looks like "real" train to me
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22:24:33  * andythenorth bed
22:24:35  <andythenorth> good night
22:24:41  <planetmaker> night, andythenorth
22:25:07  <Eddi|zuHause> says Luleå in the description
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22:43:07  <Xaroth|Work> nn o>
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22:44:01  <andythenorth> caching the output from chameleon makes FIRS pre-processor run in ~1.4s instead of ~30s
22:44:03  <andythenorth> win
22:44:14  <andythenorth> now just need to make nml faster :P
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23:21:39  <Eddi|zuHause>
23:34:50  <Bad_Brett> haha
23:35:19  <Bad_Brett> it's funny because it's true
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