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No-one complained yet :D 06:40:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 06:43:10 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:50:40 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:15:44 <Xaroth|Work> I still wonder who would travel without his/her trusty towel 07:19:14 <planetmaker> yeah, unbelievable. And will be a catastrophy at next year's towel day 07:23:11 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.232.254] has quit [Quit: I'm out for now, but you are invited to try AdiIRC: www.adiirc.com enjoy it!] 07:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: fonso said it's his, but you can keep it 07:30:27 <planetmaker> I see, thanks. Missed that info 07:30:49 <planetmaker> when did he say so? 07:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> [Sonntag, 28. Juli 2013] [23:11:30] <fonsinchen> The towel is mine. You can keep it. It has been used as saddle for the unicorn, though. 07:32:32 <planetmaker> oi, thanks 07:34:41 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:36:48 <dihedral> good morning 07:36:55 <planetmaker> moin dihedral 07:37:18 <dihedral> :-) 07:37:22 <dihedral> how are you sir? 07:37:43 <planetmaker> someone seems to have turned on again the outside heating. Much to my dismay 07:38:24 <planetmaker> (one can always complain about weather ;-) ) 07:42:12 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-060-044.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 07:51:00 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:51:01 <SamanthaD> o/ 07:56:02 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:26 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 08:01:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03:06 <dihedral> planetmaker, a world without weather would be terrible :-P 08:03:51 <Twofish> Well - depends on what "non-weather" you would have - and if it would be the same all over ... 08:03:58 <Supercheese> 'night folks 08:04:03 <Twofish> (all over the planet / area / ...) 08:04:15 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.153.126] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 08:06:19 <dihedral> Twofish, that is what 'no weather' implies 08:07:38 <Twofish> Guess we had to want constant rain then ... :s 08:08:08 <Twofish> or would that pass over your "no weather" as well :p 08:12:59 <planetmaker> indeed it would, dihedral :-) Better some weather than none :-) 08:13:19 *** AquSe [~Ecoste@78-61-50-22.static.zebra.lt] has joined #openttd 08:16:38 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:26 <SamanthaD> I'd find such a world chokingly difficult to live in 08:23:24 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:03 <dihedral> trying to handle replies from an openttd server when everything is threaded and async..... grrr 08:28:31 <planetmaker> yeah. Let's make it all one core only, one thread only ;-) 08:29:24 <Xaroth|Work> depends on your situation :P 08:30:42 <SamanthaD> dihedral: how important is real-time performance? You could write a routine that caches the replies, assembles them in causal order, and passes them on to the rest of the program? 08:35:01 <AquSe> What proggy you guys talkin' 'bout? 08:35:58 <SamanthaD> AquSe: I'm not entirely sure but I think it's the OpenTTD Coop configuration script 08:36:27 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 08:37:29 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:41:49 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 08:42:40 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: might have something interesting to show you today 08:43:59 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-77-81.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:46:01 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:02 <planetmaker> :-) 08:48:34 <planetmaker> SamanthaD, an admin port client 08:49:21 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:49:24 <Xaroth|Work> oddly enough, it's related to that as well :P 08:50:44 *** MatrixCL [~mielipuol@host-109-204-157-114.tp-fne.tampereenpuhelin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 08:50:50 <planetmaker> how odd ;-) 08:51:18 <SamanthaD> Ah, I see... well, hopefully he gets things sorted out without having to thread the entire app 08:53:22 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 08:54:51 *** MatrixCL [~mielipuol@host-109-204-157-114.tp-fne.tampereenpuhelin.net] has joined #openttd 08:56:01 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:06 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 09:01:26 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:34 <dihedral> the app is already threaded 09:04:19 <dihedral> plugins are in separate threads, if a plugin executes a command from another plugin, that is a separate thread 09:04:20 <dihedral> ... 09:04:45 <dihedral> with the aim that no plugin can be capable of killing the main app or another pluing 09:06:56 <SamanthaD> Well, carry on then. Without seeing your code I'd probably just waste your time with more suggestions. 09:07:06 <SamanthaD> good luck! 09:07:16 <dihedral> it's on dev.openttdcoop.org 09:07:23 <dihedral> search for the projects joan, grapes and berries 09:09:36 <SamanthaD> thanks, I'll have a look through that 09:10:10 <SamanthaD> though, I'm not very good with Java 09:10:14 <SamanthaD> I don't think objectively ;) 09:10:59 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 09:13:25 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-60-225-68-124.hhui1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:14:46 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15:29 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:57 <dihedral> SamanthaD, that just did not make much sense :-P 09:18:17 <dihedral> unless your arms are not joined to your sholders, your toes are all over your body and your brain.... 09:18:23 <dihedral> TrueBrain, ^ i did it again :-D 09:18:36 <dihedral> and i quoted the song again :-D 09:20:04 <Xaroth|Work> o_O 09:21:35 <SamanthaD> dihedral: the joke is that Java takes object orientation to an extreme and I find the paradigm unnatural 09:26:19 <AquSe> make everything static huehue 09:34:06 <NeuhNeuh> Python > ALL 09:34:11 <NeuhNeuh> :p 09:40:42 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 09:42:26 <SamanthaD> NeuhNeuh: All hail Scheme! 09:42:38 <Aristide> x) 09:42:39 <Aristide> Hi SamanthaD ^^ 09:42:47 <SamanthaD> hey Aristide! 09:43:40 <Aristide> =) 09:43:42 <Aristide> How are you today ? 09:44:11 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [] 09:44:51 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:03 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 09:45:21 <Aristide> Ok fail 09:45:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:45:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:48:29 <SamanthaD> oh, sorry, I'm doing well! How are you? 09:49:04 <SamanthaD> Sorry, I was playing with my trains and I'm building as fast as possible O.O 09:50:35 <Alberth> stop the time by pausing the game :p 09:51:47 <planetmaker> moin Alberth 09:52:55 <Aristide> xD 09:52:56 <dihedral> Alberth, do you not have to enable a cheat for that? :-P 09:53:49 <AquSe> Not in SP? 09:53:52 <SamanthaD> Alberth: problem isn't time, it's money. I'm only 16 years into a PAX only game 09:54:01 <SamanthaD> starting at 1900... money is tough :p 09:54:07 <Alberth> hi dihedral, not sure, I thought not, you can pause the game without cheating, and afaik enable build while paused in the settings 09:54:28 <SamanthaD> it's a "cheat" 09:54:38 <SamanthaD> one that I always use. I hate feeling rushed 09:54:57 <Alberth> SamanthaD: ok, you play way more often than I am :) 09:55:26 <Alberth> SamanthaD: yeah, money is always a problem that distracts you from building in the start :( 09:55:27 <SamanthaD> :p 09:55:50 <SamanthaD> still, I'm almost ready to link up the last of what is to be my trunk line! 09:56:04 <SamanthaD> still got to set up a couple local feeder lines but... other than that 09:59:56 <AquSe> How do you load a .sav in the dedi server? 10:00:08 <AquSe> It says there's no such file or directory. 10:00:24 <AquSe> I tried putting the save in the same folder as the server and also tried full path. 10:00:26 <AquSe> Doesn't work. 10:03:42 <AquSe> Oh, the server has the file directory already stated. 10:03:55 <AquSe> Need to use cd to move folders. 10:05:50 *** montalvo [~montalvo@macbook60.icrar.org] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:06:51 <SamanthaD> AquSe: Then you need to use the -R flag 10:06:56 <SamanthaD> cd -R 10:06:59 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:05 <SamanthaD> eeer, cp -R 10:09:18 <AquSe> When it says that a city grows every x days. 10:09:21 <AquSe> How much does it grow? 10:09:24 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: check my latest commit :) 10:09:24 <AquSe> Like pop wise. 10:09:54 <Xaroth|Work> (note that it requires an extra lib to run) 10:10:24 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 10:12:33 <SamanthaD> AquSe: It depends. It just builds new buildings. Depending on the buildings built... 10:12:48 <SamanthaD> AquSe: Also, if it has to build roads PLUS buildings or just buildings 10:14:45 <AquSe> Ah okay 10:14:54 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-210-133-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:01 <planetmaker> hm, Xaroth, what exactly does that script do? 10:16:12 <planetmaker> offer basically the console which I have when I'm server? 10:16:39 <Xaroth|Work> in a way, yes 10:17:12 <Xaroth|Work> python openttd-admin.py --host=<host> --password=<password> to connect to it (or while running 'set host <host>' 'set password <password>' 'connect' ) 10:17:23 <Xaroth|Work> help shows some commands 10:17:37 <Xaroth|Work> it's a work-in-progress 10:17:44 <Xaroth|Work> but I found it done enough to at least share it 10:17:48 <planetmaker> Alberth, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1089453#p1089453 <-- she means "in the future as the game progresses". Not in the RL future. Hard to tell, I guess, without a proper translation of the 1st posting 10:18:10 <planetmaker> :-) @ Xaroth 10:21:25 <Xaroth|Work> chat should relay to the console, with say/msg/cmsg you can chat back; rcon obviously, and clients/companies will show the (from the program's perspective) the current short information about them 10:23:12 <planetmaker> aye 10:23:20 <planetmaker> I shall try to give it a try tonight 10:24:37 <Xaroth|Work> probably a bug or 20 in it, so don't expect too much :P 10:25:22 <AquSe> No way to build docks on water canals? 10:26:05 <AquSe> nvm 10:26:08 <AquSe> Just need to raise some lang 10:26:10 <AquSe> nad* 10:26:12 <AquSe> land* 10:26:38 <Pinkbeast> AquSe: Hope you've got plenty of money. :-/ 10:27:24 <AquSe> Lol, I did use like 60k. 10:32:39 <AquSe> Oh no, like 30 buses are getting old ): 10:32:43 <AquSe> Bye bye money. 10:33:15 <AquSe> Can you replace buses to their own version? 10:33:22 <AquSe> Because I don't have another passanger bus out. 10:33:32 <Pinkbeast> Autorenew takes care of that. 10:33:50 <Pinkbeast> http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Vehicles#Autorenew 10:34:04 <Pinkbeast> The gotcha is you have to keep cash in hand to do it. 10:34:53 <AquSe> Off by default? 10:35:09 <Pinkbeast> AquSe: I don't know. If it's off, turn it on, not to be Captain Obvious. 10:35:18 <AquSe> I know, just askin'. 10:35:37 <Pinkbeast> AquSe: Also, I don't think it interacts perfectly with no-servicing no-breakdowns setups. :-/ 10:35:53 <AquSe> Well I could just send all buses for service 10:36:16 <Pinkbeast> Send one for service first to check it works. ;-) 10:38:37 <AquSe> Nope, doesn't work. 10:38:56 <AquSe> Lemme see if I can figure out how to turn it on the dedi. 10:41:01 <Pinkbeast> AquSe: Don't forget that the vehicle age warnings turn up when a vehicle approaches its maximum age, but the setting for autorenew age can be some time after that. 10:42:36 <AquSe> Yeah I see. 10:45:39 <AquSe> The company name has to be in quotes, rite? 10:47:34 <Pinkbeast> No idea 10:47:44 <AquSe> lemme experiment then 10:48:46 <AquSe> ohwai nvm 10:49:00 <AquSe> That's not the name slot, that's where to put it under. 10:49:10 <AquSe> Or rather where it is under. 10:50:21 *** xT2 [~ST2@188.250.228.223] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:42 *** ST2 [~ST2@188.250.228.223] has joined #openttd 10:56:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:12 <dihedral> Xaroth, there are native chat packets for the admin network - you need not use rcon for that :) 11:09:17 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 11:10:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:08 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: you should check the code... 11:12:14 <dihedral> oh - i messread your line above ;-) 11:12:20 <Xaroth|Work> ;) 11:13:26 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:27:16 *** amiller [~amiller@pool-96-255-47-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:38 <Elukka> http://i.imgur.com/3GTKL32.png 11:35:38 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:36:31 <Alberth> too many non-paying passengers? :) 11:36:47 <MNIM> ORLY 11:36:55 <AquSe> Elukka: You can create cow planes? :3 11:37:12 <Elukka> probably, with one of the plane grfs 11:37:16 <Elukka> not my screenshot, just thought it was funny 11:37:17 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:39:38 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 11:48:50 <__ln__> planetmaker: what's everyone's share of the food, in � 11:51:43 <AquSe> Guys, any must-have NewGRFs? Just those that don't make the game easier. 11:51:56 <__ln__> trams 11:52:32 <AquSe> How about eGRVTS? 11:53:21 <__ln__> dunno, all i use is trams. 11:53:48 <AquSe> K, I'll just get the trams for nao. 11:55:58 <AquSe> They auto-load once they're in the newGRF folder, rite? 11:57:10 <AquSe> Nope, they don't need to go into the NewGRF menu too. 12:05:51 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #openttd 12:13:44 <planetmaker> __ln__, let me find out by how much we sponsor the meeting :-) 12:14:04 <planetmaker> without sponsoring I'd say like 12⬠/ pp 12:14:27 *** tst [~id@pool-77-222-102-194.is74.ru] has joined #openttd 12:18:39 *** Siiig [~Siiig@66.155.142.125] has quit [] 12:23:04 <dihedral> planetmaker, that sounds very easy :_) 12:23:16 <dihedral> uh - that smily has a displassed nose 12:24:06 *** parkette [~pjm@5.172.252.197] has joined #openttd 12:24:12 *** parkette [~pjm@5.172.252.197] has left #openttd [] 12:26:49 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.232.254] has joined #openttd 12:28:31 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc9-wals9-2-0-cust237.16-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:28:42 <SamanthaD> *glee* Grew my city to a pop of 10,000 and the mother of all muni systems is at about 10% capacity! 12:31:33 <AquSe> Anybody know if GRVTS GRF is fairly balanced? 12:34:45 <Alberth> no idea about GRVTS, but in general, a Grf is balanced with itself, and not much else 12:36:24 <AquSe> So you're saying turn off default and only leave the GRF? 12:38:04 <Alberth> how did you come up with that conclusion??? 12:38:36 <Alberth> but never mind, the simplest way to find out what you ask is by trying it for yourself 12:39:18 <Alberth> newgrf choices are highly personal, everybody wants something different from them 12:39:46 <Alberth> so there are no universal best or balanced or whatever property you want 12:47:06 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:01 <Belugas> hello 12:51:06 <Alberth> o/ 12:51:27 <Belugas> sir Alberth :) 12:53:30 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:53:42 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:57:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:58:18 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.232.254] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:02:56 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 13:04:09 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:24 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 13:12:47 <SamanthaD> hello Belugas! 13:18:49 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: Sacro, pugi, apiecux, @DorpsGek, TWerkhoven, lugo, Vadtec, @Rubidium, LordAro, Ammler, (+78 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 13:18:49 *** montalvo [~montalvo@101.166.155.98] has joined #openttd 13:19:11 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: neli, EyeMWing, r0b0tb0y, tokai|mdlx, Nothing4You, Fuco_, tst, Defaultti, blathijs, KouDy, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 13:20:14 *** Netsplit over, joins: r0b0tb0y, EyeMWing, tst, tokai|mdlx, Pecio, abchirk_, Defaultti, KouDy, blathijs, Noldo_ (+3 more) 13:21:05 *** r0b0tb0y is now known as roboboy 13:21:38 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 13:21:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: Aristide, oskari89, Lakie, amiller, TheMask96, ST2, @Alberth, LordAro, AquSe, pugi (+78 more) 13:21:48 <TWerkhoven> netslpit 13:22:05 <TWerkhoven> 2 irc servers got disconnected from each other 13:22:18 <TWerkhoven> and now theyve made up and reconnected 13:22:57 <AquSe> Ah 13:24:22 *** koudy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 13:24:35 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:35 <AquSe> 480 second ping timeout on this server. 13:26:50 <AquSe> Never seen a time out that high @.@ 13:29:30 <Alberth> 8 minutes? quite normal, probably some default setting 13:30:06 <TWerkhoven> its not actually shown on all servers though 13:30:12 <TWerkhoven> some networks you just see ping timeout 13:33:05 <AquSe> Is 15 companies the max on a server? 13:33:46 <planetmaker> also without server 13:33:53 <AquSe> Yh 13:39:12 <Belugas> hello SamanthaD :) 13:41:05 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: DabuYu, henrik, Eddi|zuHause, Hirundo, Ristovski, +michi_cc, George, AquSe, gynter, Cybertinus, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 13:41:45 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:41:49 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 13:42:10 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 13:42:32 *** Netsplit over, joins: George, Ristovski, AquSe, Eddi|zuHause, tycoondemon, +michi_cc, DabuYu, Cybertinus, APTX, gynter (+2 more) 13:43:05 *** montalvo [~montalvo@101.166.155.98] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 13:44:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v Alberth] by ChanServ 13:44:33 *** ChanServ changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.3.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 13:44:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 13:44:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v Terkhen] by ChanServ 13:48:05 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 14:02:13 <SamanthaD> how many ticks to a day? 14:02:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 74 14:02:49 <MNIM> Well, assuming a clock ticks twice per second 14:02:53 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:56 <MNIM> that would be 2x60x60x24 14:03:04 <SamanthaD> thank you! 14:03:05 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 14:03:14 <SamanthaD> MNIM: I meant game ticks 14:03:38 <MNIM> Which according to my calculator equals 172800 14:03:48 <MNIM> Well, you should've said so! 14:04:00 <MNIM> now I went through all that trouble to take out my calculator! 14:04:19 <Alberth> but we have @calc! 14:05:32 <SamanthaD> I shortcut my calculator to ctrl+c 14:06:38 <TWerkhoven> my keyboard comes with built-in calc 14:06:46 <Alberth> better than shortcircuit :) 14:10:04 *** kais58__ is now known as kais58|AFK 14:10:12 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58__ 14:11:03 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.106.148] has joined #openttd 14:13:17 *** kais58__ is now known as kais58|AFK 14:13:22 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58__ 14:13:30 <SamanthaD> yeah, but the calculator that my computer uses has a tape history ;) 14:15:36 <SamanthaD> question: why would modifying the timetabling and vehicle orders code make a save game incompatible? 14:16:05 <SamanthaD> I notice that Slim Timetables changes the savegame version but... I recently removed it and now I'm kicking myself 14:16:19 <SamanthaD> I'd like to import my savegame into a game that has it compiled back in 14:17:24 <SamanthaD> managing my own timetables is DRIVING ME INSANE 14:32:36 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:28 <Lakie> Is there a way to identify if an installed linux kernel is either 32bit or 64bit from within linux? 14:34:43 *** ChanServ changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.3.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 14:34:46 <planetmaker> SamanthaD, a time table needs information stored 14:34:56 <Pinkbeast> Lakie: Installed or running? 14:35:02 <Lakie> running 14:35:07 <planetmaker> Lakie, uname -a should tell you 14:35:14 <planetmaker> i386 vs x86_64 14:35:16 <planetmaker> somewhere 14:35:19 <Lakie> Okay, thankyou. :) 14:35:30 <SamanthaD> planetmaker: ah... oh well... thank you! 14:36:26 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 14:36:43 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.246.124.21] has joined #openttd 14:37:06 <planetmaker> actually ... uname -m is easier 14:37:41 <planetmaker> or getconf LONG_BIT 14:37:47 <planetmaker> even easier possibly 14:40:04 <Lakie> Heh, okay. Both are quite simple in output. :) 14:41:06 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> coulomb.oftc.net quits: @planetmaker, KenjiE20, tneo, xQR, Pinkbeast, @Alberth, Elukka, Fira, pugi, amiller, (+9 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 14:42:17 *** Netsplit over, joins: LordAro, KenjiE20, amiller, @Alberth, pugi, Elukka, Markk, @planetmaker, perk11, Fira (+9 more) 14:43:00 <SamanthaD> oh well... there goes my game. Twas fun while it lasted I suppose... 14:45:11 *** fanioz [~fanioz@180.246.124.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:29 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:29 <LordAro> oftc seems to be having trouble today 14:46:00 <SamanthaD> indeed... 14:46:24 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc9-wals9-2-0-cust237.16-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:50:22 <TWerkhoven> somebody get these servers some relationship advice 14:55:30 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:00:13 *** MatrixCL2 [~mielipuol@host-109-204-157-114.tp-fne.tampereenpuhelin.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:03 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: seen my last commits for libottdadmin2? 15:04:08 <Xaroth|Work> think some of that could be useful for you too 15:04:56 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: well if you know exactly what was changed in that savegame version, you can reverse that 15:05:25 <SamanthaD> Eddi|zuHause: thanks but... probably too much work 15:05:25 <TWerkhoven> yeah, ive updated my copy too 15:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's easier to just stick to the version it was compiled with 15:06:26 <TWerkhoven> i think instead of making soapclient(adminclient), im gonna copy adminclient into soapclient, and make soapclient(adminconnection) 15:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: i recently successfully converted a game that used an old paxdest patch, plus yapp, plus some minor stuff (daylength, etc.) 15:06:37 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: i'm contemplating making the extensions to the AdminClient part of the lib, as in, a TrackingClient 15:06:44 <Xaroth|Work> that keeps track of all clients and companies, etc. 15:07:37 *** MatrixCL [~mielipuol@host-109-204-157-114.tp-fne.tampereenpuhelin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:55 <TWerkhoven> thats future stuff, right? 15:08:09 <TWerkhoven> nvm, seems i missed an update 15:08:55 *** Pecio [~fgh@dra153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 15:09:08 <TWerkhoven> i was thinking a list that contains client_id, name, company_id 15:09:32 <planetmaker> Xaroth, that makes perfect sense to me :-) 15:11:57 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: check class ExtendedAdminConnection in openttd-admin.py 15:12:01 <Xaroth|Work> it deos exactly that 15:12:07 <TWerkhoven> yeah, im just browsing that 15:12:23 <Xaroth|Work> it sets update frequencies for the right stuff upon connect, so that it can keep track of who's connected etc 15:12:41 <Xaroth|Work> even the date, for as extremely not useful as that information is :P 15:13:08 <TWerkhoven> one could probably poll that on somebody requesting the date 15:14:11 <Xaroth|Work> yeeaaahh.. but that would mean having to do special stuff 15:15:12 <Xaroth|Work> I somewhat do that alreayd with companies and clients joining 15:15:40 <Xaroth|Work> i.e. keep track of who we just saw joining and asked info for, so we can fire clientjoined a 2nd time with proper information 15:17:38 <TWerkhoven> i take it getting serverclientinfo (automatically, not requesting it) before serverclientjoin isnt a given? 15:18:19 <Xaroth|Work> hm, not sure how that works 15:18:49 <TWerkhoven> with all the stuff set to auto, you will receive clientinfo automatically anyway anytime someone joins 15:18:58 <TWerkhoven> just not always before i think 15:19:14 <Xaroth|Work> I didn't get that to work properly, maybe I did something wrong 15:19:17 <TWerkhoven> so you could just loop untill client_id has valid nick in your internal tracker 15:20:29 <TWerkhoven> console seems to mostly copy things which are already sent via other updateTypes btw 15:20:35 <TWerkhoven> hence why i took it out of mine 15:22:37 <Xaroth|Work> I'l be damned 15:22:55 <TWerkhoven> only thing youre really missing is when server is queried with serverbrowser 15:23:16 <Xaroth|Work> yeh, that's not really useful anyhow 15:23:35 <TWerkhoven> now that ive turned it on for a bit, i do notice where all those clienterrors are coming from 15:23:47 <Xaroth|Work> I mean, I'd almost go as far as propose a patch to silence that console message unless debug is set up higher 15:23:57 <Xaroth|Work> clienterrors happen before connecting I think 15:23:59 <Xaroth|Work> for some odd reason 15:24:08 <Xaroth|Work> client connects, disconnects, then connects again and joins 15:24:22 <Xaroth|Work> I -think- that happens when you're in the select-where-you-want-to-join menu 15:24:24 <TWerkhoven> also when serverbrowser queries a server, it doesnt properly disconnect, the connection is just discarded 15:24:30 <TWerkhoven> yes, serverbrowser 15:24:38 <TWerkhoven> and/or companyselection 15:24:41 <Xaroth|Work> aye 15:25:13 <TWerkhoven> i just noticed i got a lot of clienterror 3's, which i think i deciphered into connection_lost 15:25:19 <TWerkhoven> but dont quote me on that 15:26:29 <Xaroth|Work> connection_lost 15:27:29 <Xaroth|Work> network_type.h @ line 104 15:27:34 <TWerkhoven> NETWORK_ERROR_CONNECTION_LOST actually, thats as fas back as i could track it in ottd's src 15:27:46 <Xaroth|Work> yeh 15:27:54 <TWerkhoven> 110 15:28:05 <Xaroth|Work> enum's at 104 ;) 15:28:27 <TWerkhoven> :p 15:28:47 <TWerkhoven> im guessing it takes its number from position in the enum there 15:28:53 <TWerkhoven> network_error_general being - 15:28:54 <TWerkhoven> 0 15:29:00 <Xaroth|Work> yep 15:29:06 <Xaroth|Work> all enums start at 0x00 unless otherwise specified 15:31:36 <Xaroth|Work> I'm adding the enum to enums.py 15:33:12 <TWerkhoven> coping from the 1st iteration of libottdadmin, or typing em in again based on ottd's src? 15:33:32 <Xaroth|Work> copy/pasting from ottd source 15:33:34 <TWerkhoven> the 1st lib had a lot more enums already there 15:33:37 <Xaroth|Work> then migrating it to python 15:33:47 <Xaroth|Work> yeah, I kinda went over-the-top there 15:34:07 <Xaroth|Work> back when I had my obsession with using \t instead of spaces.... 15:36:19 <TWerkhoven> it *is* neatly aligned 15:38:27 <Xaroth|Work> severely depends on how big you set your tabs :P 15:38:45 <Xaroth|Work> looks like crap on all but the one you used back then :P 15:38:51 <Xaroth|Work> with spaces it -always- looks neat 15:38:58 <TWerkhoven> i think i have my notepad set to convert all tabs to 4 spaces 15:39:07 <Xaroth|Work> and IDEs like sublime text can convert automatically 15:40:41 <Xaroth|Work> old code was, iirc, set to 8 15:40:53 <Xaroth|Work> using 4, it looks a bit wobbly 15:41:59 <Xaroth|Work> added ErrorCode and Colour enums 15:42:05 <TWerkhoven> i just went with some python guidelines i found somewhere 15:42:16 <Xaroth|Work> I highly advise Sublime Text 3 15:42:20 <TWerkhoven> i think i used 2 spaces last time i coded c++ 15:42:33 <Xaroth|Work> it's a real lightweight and smooth editor 15:42:35 <TWerkhoven> i use notepad++ atm, but sublime does look a good competitor 15:42:44 <Xaroth|Work> it's sooo much smoother for me 15:43:17 <TWerkhoven> i didnt realize text editors had fps issues 15:43:25 <TWerkhoven> unless your running word on a 386 maybe 15:43:56 <Xaroth|Work> try scrolling through a file with hundreds upon hundreds of lines of code 15:44:08 <TWerkhoven> yeah, the preview pane looks nice 15:44:38 <TWerkhoven> though by that time i tend to sue ctrl+f, or scroll to the linenumber depending on what im looking for 15:44:55 <Xaroth|Work> F12 for me 15:45:00 <Xaroth|Work> find definition 15:48:01 <TWerkhoven> notepad++ seems a tad cheaper 15:48:09 <Xaroth|Work> sublime is free 15:48:17 <Xaroth|Work> it's a bit like winrar 15:48:28 <TWerkhoven> annoyware? 15:48:37 <Xaroth|Work> meh, every umzeenth save it asks you to buy 15:48:43 <Xaroth|Work> hit esc, continue 15:49:02 <Xaroth|Work> though I am tempted at buying it at some point 15:50:31 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 15:51:26 <TWerkhoven> i might try it 15:51:41 <TWerkhoven> not worth any money just to work on soap 15:53:06 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a3c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a3c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 15:56:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a3c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:56 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 16:03:25 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A6B9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:04:50 <TWerkhoven> btw, whilst your adding enums, could you add enums for NetworkAction? (that determines what the other parameters of adminchat packets mean) 16:05:00 <TWerkhoven> network_type.h again 16:05:22 <TWerkhoven> nvm, its Action 16:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone besides me having an issue with sshfs crashing every odd day? 16:15:06 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:18:16 *** kais58___ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:19:08 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.115.191.171] has joined #openttd 16:20:00 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:15 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:48 *** kais58___ is now known as kais58|AFK 16:23:53 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58___ 16:25:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A189C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:33:18 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 16:33:22 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: there are a dozen paremeters to sshfs 16:34:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i just do "sshfs source target", and have been doing that for years, just the past few weeks it started to randomly exit 16:34:39 <frosch123> it depends on what features the software uses, with which you access the filesystem 16:34:54 <frosch123> scp (which sshfs) uses, does not support everything 16:35:04 <frosch123> take a look at the "-o workaround= ..." stuff 16:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> so it might be a new program i'm using that accesses the stuff weirdly? 16:35:39 <frosch123> e.g. when working with subversion in a checkout via sshfs, it is completely normal that you need -o workaround=rename 16:35:41 *** tst [~id@pool-77-222-102-194.is74.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:29 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 16:55:50 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:12 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:50 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:10 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:02:50 <AquSe> What's the equivalent of Java's arraylist in Python? 17:03:38 <megakacktus> I haven't done python in a while but I believe it's a list() object :-/ 17:04:49 <AquSe> Oh yea it is, thx. 17:05:15 <megakacktus> np 17:10:01 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 17:11:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A189C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:09 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 17:33:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 17:33:13 <andythenorth> cdist for freight is bonkers 17:33:16 <andythenorth> in an interesting way 17:34:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't had any problems with it. except there's no incentive to connect more secondary industries 17:36:20 <andythenorth> I am trying mixed trains 17:36:23 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 17:36:26 <andythenorth> with lots of implicit orders 17:36:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:36 <andythenorth> on long routes 17:36:47 <andythenorth> get some interesting link graphs :P 17:36:58 <Wolf01> hello 17:37:00 <andythenorth> curious decisions about where to unload 17:37:03 <andythenorth> it's all very fun though 17:37:59 <andythenorth> adding autorefit is a whole extra dimension 17:38:18 <Alberth> o/ Wolf01 andythenorth 17:38:27 <andythenorth> o/ 17:40:35 <andythenorth> cdist seems to work quite well with FIRS supplies 17:40:55 <andythenorth> although it removes some of the point of them wrt managing cargo inputs 17:41:16 <andythenorth> hmm 17:41:20 <andythenorth> gtg bye 17:41:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:44:59 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:02 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.133.76] has joined #openttd 17:45:53 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25644 /trunk/src/lang (6 files) (2013-08-01 17:45:41 UTC) 17:45:54 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:55 <DorpsGek> catalan - 21 changes by juanjo 17:45:56 <DorpsGek> dutch - 2 changes by habell 17:45:57 <DorpsGek> estonian - 73 changes by KSiimson 17:45:58 <DorpsGek> polish - 2 changes by wojteks86 17:45:59 <DorpsGek> spanish - 12 changes by juanjo 17:46:00 <DorpsGek> thai - 7 changes by sf_alpha 17:48:00 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:51 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: yes, it's Action 18:01:18 *** dudel [~oftc-webi@rstk-4d0617fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:29 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 18:01:36 <dudel> hello 18:02:03 <Alberth> hello 18:02:47 <dudel> i got a question. i like the chill patch pack, cause it got the copy/paste thingy in it. but its for such an old version, is there anything close to it for a newer one? 18:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> there's the russian "spring 2013" patchpack, which may or may not be anywhere near stable (as in it does or does not crash) 18:06:00 <dudel> but when its russian, can i use it for english version? and does it have the copy/paste? i rly like it for stations/junctions ect. as im liking to buidl those symmetry anyway and i do not play often enough to rember all the different build ups 18:06:12 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 18:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> just because it's made by russians doesn't mean it can't use other translations 18:06:52 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=66892 have a look yourself, I don't know what it contains 18:07:36 <SamanthaD> is there any way I can get cargodist to not pile cargo on a station with a bad connection?! 18:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> don't have stations with bad connections :p 18:08:11 <Alberth> give it alternative routes 18:08:36 <SamanthaD> they do have alternative routes 18:08:51 <SamanthaD> it's just that I have a long chain of train stations with a lousy airport at each end 18:09:04 <dudel> ty, looks quite interesting but unfortunaly it doesnt have copy paste :( 18:09:08 <SamanthaD> and the trains are grabbing the cargo and dumping it at the airports, FAR exceeding what the airports can handle 18:09:29 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:31 <Alberth> add more airports at both ends :) 18:09:46 <SamanthaD> hmm... alright 18:09:48 <Eddi|zuHause> dudel: then you're probably better of learning to compile yourself and update the copy-paste patch 18:09:59 <SamanthaD> though... the only airport I have access to is "small airport" 18:10:02 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:03 <Pinkbeast> cargodist will eventually figure out the link has low capacity 18:10:04 <Alberth> cdist will nicely distributes the flow over the different airports 18:10:21 <dudel> sounds complicted :) 18:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: cargodist and planes don't mix well 18:10:26 <SamanthaD> oh, it will? good, so I'll just wait then and see if it resolves it self 18:10:32 <Pinkbeast> But pax have to be sent _somewhere_ - if this link is the only one available, they'll use it. 18:11:15 <Alberth> SamanthaD: you know you can see the capacity use both in the minimap and in the main view? 18:11:33 <SamanthaD> Alberth: yup! Gotta love it! 18:11:55 <SamanthaD> oh, you're right 18:12:07 <SamanthaD> Cargodist hasn't quite figured out that it's overloaded it to the point of absurdity 18:12:16 <SamanthaD> ... yet 18:12:21 <Pinkbeast> SamanthaD: Do the offending pax have anywhere _else_ to go? 18:13:08 <Alberth> cdist is bad at handling changes in the connections, it takes a long time to change 18:13:15 <SamanthaD> Pinkbeast: yes. See, I have this huge 20,000 pop city with a major train station at one end and the airport at the other. Local trains connect them. The other airport is connected to the main train station at the other end 18:13:42 <SamanthaD> actually... it's connected to a train station that feeds the main train station 18:13:44 <SamanthaD> details 18:14:00 <Pinkbeast> That's odd, you'd expect most pax to make local journeys... 18:14:08 <SamanthaD> they do 18:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a setting for that 18:14:17 <SamanthaD> as I said... 20,000 population city ;) 18:14:28 <SamanthaD> it generates an obscene amount of PAX 18:14:35 <Alberth> :) 18:14:44 <SamanthaD> I know, I love it n_n 18:14:51 <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: Indeed. But beyond that, cargodist is meant to work with the link capacities actually available... 18:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: there isn't really any solution besides throwing more capacity at it 18:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Pinkbeast: but it can't adjust the passenger generation 18:15:22 <Pinkbeast> Or give them somewhere else to go? 18:15:23 <SamanthaD> Eddi|zuHause: Thanks, I'll do that! 18:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> so eventually the people are piling up at the weakest link in the network 18:15:42 <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: Yes, but why don't they mostly make journeys internal to the city? 18:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Pinkbeast: "effect of distance on demand" 18:16:23 <SamanthaD> Pinkbeast: They *ARE* mostly making journeys internal to the city. Perhaps you don't quite have a grasp on how much PAX a city that size generates. 18:16:35 <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: yes, but it's meant to work with the link capacities actually available... we've just gone around in a circle, with you telling me about an option I already know about. 18:16:46 <Pinkbeast> SamanthaD: Actually it may surprise you to learn I have played the game before. 18:16:55 <SamanthaD> cool :3 18:17:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Pinkbeast: but load balancing can only work if there are leftover capacities anywhere. if everything is congested, no amount of link shifting will work 18:17:55 <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: But there is a leftover capacity here; send pax locally inside the city. 18:18:26 <Pinkbeast> "distance on demand" is meant to determine what happens when links aren't full - how much should we send down a long link vs a short one. 18:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Pinkbeast: you're thinking backwards. first, passengers are generated, then passengers get a destination, then they look for a link towards that destination 18:18:40 <SamanthaD> by the way, what's generally better: one international airport or two metro airports? 18:19:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "the train to Berlin is always so full, i go to Munich instead" is not how it works 18:19:55 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A39D.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:59 <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: with humans, but OTTD pax aren't humans - and absent cargodist they're like lumps of coal. But indeed, I was mistaken. 18:20:24 <Pinkbeast> I was thinking of very old stabs at cargodist where pax still had _no_ volition, so they'd go wherever there was capacity. 18:20:56 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 18:21:45 <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: Sorry, my misunderstanding. 18:23:47 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:26:10 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:49 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 18:29:58 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g231206139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:30:35 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A078.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:32:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A189C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:32:43 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #openttd 18:37:06 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@g231084050.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:56 *** Sacro [~ben@000127ee.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:39:37 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 18:44:01 *** Sacro [~ben@000127ee.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 18:44:18 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 18:44:59 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A078.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:22 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A2DD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:04:51 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:10:36 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: you know this; on new map, all admin clients are disconnected? 19:11:32 <Xaroth|Work> ah, nm, found it 19:11:36 <Xaroth|Work> only on non-dedicated servers 19:22:01 <TWerkhoven> on dedicated, all you get is a new welcome packet afaik 19:29:57 <Xaroth|Work> you get two, actually 19:30:12 <Xaroth|Work> a shutdown, followed by a new map 19:30:24 <Xaroth|Work> if not dedicated 19:30:26 <Xaroth|Work> it's just a shutdown 19:30:29 <Xaroth|Work> followed by a disconnect 19:31:46 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 19:32:12 <dihedral> Xaroth, interesting 19:34:39 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:53 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:35:06 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.106.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:20 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: at least, that's what the code looks to me 19:35:32 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 19:35:44 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: going to change the behavior of poll in the new tracking admin a tad, that it does multiple packets at once if there's time 19:35:49 <Xaroth|Work> it always breaks off after timeout 19:36:01 <planetmaker> __ln__, I guess the meeting is free of charge for you (and all others) 19:36:09 <dihedral> i wonder what causes the different behaviour 19:36:10 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:24 <fjb> Moin 19:36:32 <dihedral> i would assume closing sockets, but that's just a wild guess and with that i could of course be totally off, also 19:36:35 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: non-dedidated clients stop being a server during a map restart 19:36:46 <dihedral> planetmaker, you guys rock 19:36:49 <Xaroth|Work> dedicated clients do not 19:36:58 <Xaroth|Work> they just start a new map as per the config, and start 19:37:22 <dihedral> hmmm 19:37:34 <dihedral> at least you get the shutdown packet :-D 19:37:38 <__ln__> planetmaker: alright, cool 19:38:03 <Xaroth|Work> yeh 19:38:13 <Xaroth|Work> ooh, this works nice 19:38:33 <Xaroth|Work> now it just tries to empty the recv queue in the time given 19:38:40 <dihedral> actually i consider it odd though for non dedicated clients do open the admin port 19:38:44 <dihedral> it's like... why? 19:38:48 <Xaroth|Work> rather look if there's 1 packet to receive, and receive that one (not caring for any other packet) 19:38:59 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: dunno 19:39:18 <dihedral> i mean - why would you have admin connected to non dedicated :-P 19:39:30 <dihedral> I find it silly 19:39:31 <Xaroth|Work> no idea 19:39:39 <Xaroth|Work> but, why not? :P 19:41:00 <TWerkhoven> same goes for rcon, does rcon work on non-dedicated server? 19:41:25 <TWerkhoven> course, you might run the server on your home pc, but still want to admin it from work when your not actually near the pc 19:42:16 <TWerkhoven> or when you switch to laptop even 19:46:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:53 *** dudel [~oftc-webi@rstk-4d0617fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:56:02 <TWerkhoven> Xaroth: in enums.py, class ClientID, you may wish to add ALL = 0xFFFFFFFF #< For requesting clientInfo on all clients 19:57:50 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.106.148] has joined #openttd 19:58:07 <dihedral> TWerkhoven, if you want to run a server ... you should use a dedicated one :-P 19:58:33 <TWerkhoven> most ppl would do so yes 19:58:52 <TWerkhoven> but you always have to anticipate those few that dont do as the masses 20:04:35 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 20:06:52 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: done 20:08:07 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: what i'm working on now: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/MMD6bTdYZqr2Ms7Goz7F/ 20:08:57 <Xaroth|Work> like, the admin connection i used for the openttd-admin.pu script, only made from scratch, and cleaned up a lot 20:09:16 <Xaroth|Work> decorator funkyness to reduce the amount of useless lines :) 20:10:14 <dihedral> q 20:10:17 <dihedral> ops 20:14:04 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:12 <AquSe> How the hell do you create a new object/instance of in Python? Equivalent of class1 obj1 = new class1() in Java. Python channel ain't responding QQ 20:18:30 <Xaroth|Work> obj = Klass() 20:18:30 <Alberth> obj1 = class1() 20:18:51 <Alberth> no useless 'new' clutter :) 20:19:01 <Xaroth|Work> no useless type naming either :P 20:19:09 <Xaroth|Work> x = Klass1() ; x = Klass2() 20:19:11 <Xaroth|Work> like a baws 20:19:12 <AquSe> Ah now it works :) 20:19:16 <AquSe> I just didn't do the paranthesis :3 20:19:26 <AquSe> Fail ):: 20:19:32 <Xaroth|Work> heh 20:19:44 <Alberth> AquSe: the class is also an object :p 20:19:54 <AquSe> Yea 20:19:54 <Xaroth|Work> just like a function is an object :P 20:20:17 <AquSe> Well I meant instance. 20:20:44 <Xaroth|Work> wait until you get to decorators 20:21:17 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:21:25 <AquSe> Never heard of them b4, lemme guugle 20:21:48 <Xaroth|Work> check the link I put up 20:21:55 <Xaroth|Work> all the @handles_packet lines are decorators 20:23:58 * dihedral likes java ;-( 20:24:14 * Xaroth|Work doesn't 20:25:06 <AquSe> I'm just making something in Python, I don't know why I decided to make it in Python instead of Java that I already know. 20:25:38 <AquSe> Well, gotta learn it somehow. 20:25:48 <Alberth> to understand Python? :) 20:25:54 <AquSe> Yea :3 20:26:00 <Xaroth|Work> python is fun 20:27:03 <Alberth> java works better for large programs (50,000+ lines Python), and runs a LOT faster 20:27:19 <Xaroth|Work> java -can- run a lot faster 20:28:12 <Alberth> if you build the same program in python and in java, java will win 20:28:20 <Xaroth|Work> depends 20:28:39 <Xaroth|Work> pypy/cython can help a lot 20:28:53 <Xaroth|Work> python => C => epic speeds 20:28:56 <Xaroth|Work> .. if you do it properly 20:29:14 <AquSe> Btw, in Python what's the ".this" If you for example pass down link1 and you have link1 declared and want to set the link1 that you passed down to link1 that is in. 20:29:19 <Xaroth|Work> self 20:29:29 <Xaroth|Work> check my link; notice all class methods have self as first arg 20:29:52 <AquSe> And does anybody know what's up with #Python on Free-Node, it redirects me to #Python-Unregistered and I can't deliver messaged. 20:29:58 <AquSe> Xaroth: Okey 20:30:07 <Alberth> AquSe: there is no implicit this, you have to give it as first argument to the methods. By convention it is 'self' 20:30:08 <Xaroth|Work> you need to register your nick 20:30:15 <AquSe> Mm but I did. 20:30:22 * Xaroth|Work shrugs 20:30:25 <murr4y> then you need to authenticate 20:30:29 <Alberth> then you need to identify yourself :) 20:30:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D725.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:32 <AquSe> Says I'm already logged in 20:30:32 <AquSe> lol 20:32:08 <Alberth> ask nickserv about the state of your nick 20:32:43 <AquSe> o 20:35:05 <AquSe> http://puu.sh/3Rkba/ea45e9cfaf.png Ded IRC, ded channel. 20:35:15 <AquSe> Ima just go to their support channel. 20:35:29 * Xaroth|Work SHRUGS 20:35:33 <Xaroth|Work> doh, caps 20:35:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A6B9.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:48 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 20:47:51 <frosch123> night 20:47:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a3c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:00:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D725.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:22 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:44 <planetmaker> he, I guess results will be pretty bad, if I boot from USB disk and then unplug it ;-) 21:07:52 *** AquSe [~Ecoste@78-61-50-22.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 21:07:58 <Xaroth|Work> depends 21:08:07 <Xaroth|Work> if your system can load it all in ram before disconnecting 21:08:10 <Xaroth|Work> .. and can run from ram 21:09:00 <planetmaker> I somehow doubt that all of osx 10.4 fits in 2GB ram 21:09:27 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:42 <krinn> path signal: why a train wait a free path while it is alone in the line ? 21:10:42 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:06 <planetmaker> not entirely free? 21:11:09 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:11:12 <planetmaker> wrong track type? 21:11:21 <krinn> ah maybe checking 21:11:38 <planetmaker> krinn, enable the highlight of reserved tracks 21:11:41 <planetmaker> might tell you sth 21:14:04 <krinn> bingo: wrong railtype 21:14:19 <krinn> sad for me so, must find how i made this now :) 21:38:38 <krinn> build rail station electric, build other electric, pathfind and build non electric path between them... nearly good :P 21:39:28 <krinn> and it was working as AI was money short it pickup a diesel engine... until it have the money to change the train, and tada 21:39:47 <planetmaker> lol 21:40:37 <krinn> now i have 80 trains, mixed railtypes and engines, lmao unmanageable, poor ai :) 21:41:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A189C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:03 *** DarkAce-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 21:45:51 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.115.191.171] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:46 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 21:57:56 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 22:00:17 <Xaroth|Work> right.. that's the first bit 22:02:52 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: pushed the first part of the tracking client 22:05:55 <Xaroth|Work> needs some fleshing out still 22:07:24 <dihedral> night 22:07:28 <Xaroth|Work> nn 22:08:00 <TWerkhoven> looks good so far xaroth 22:08:05 <TWerkhoven> gnite 22:19:31 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:26:24 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 22:27:32 <Wolf01> 'night 22:27:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:35:14 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: Sacro, pugi, apiecux, TWerkhoven, eQualizer, lugo, Vadtec, Pereba, @Rubidium, @DorpsGek, (+80 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:36:45 *** Netsplit over, joins: Aristide, alluke, Pereba, KritiK, +glx, gelignite, Sacro, Jomann, TrueBrain, megakacktus (+78 more) 22:40:39 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:51 <Xaroth|Work> hm 22:42:57 <Xaroth|Work> i think I'm getting wrong data somewhere 22:42:58 <Xaroth|Work> 'income': 18446744073709550282L 22:43:30 <Xaroth|Work> on second note 22:43:35 <Xaroth|Work> it's now accurate, wth 22:44:26 <glx> wrong order of reading bytes ? 22:44:38 <Xaroth|Work> probably 22:44:47 <Xaroth|Work> probably uint/int mixup 22:45:25 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:27 <Xaroth|Work> yep 22:59:39 <Xaroth|Work> Money is sent as an uint64, but it's an int64 22:59:41 <Xaroth|Work> figures 23:00:00 <krinn> i think mosquitos here are feet lovers, i also think that anti-mosquito thing i brought isn't working 23:01:04 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.106.148] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.1 Beta Build (010813) 64 Bit] 23:01:44 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.106.148] has joined #openttd 23:02:30 <krinn> dunno why tarente aren't there this year :( 23:03:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:04:07 *** fjb is now known as Guest2015 23:04:09 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:33 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:07:50 *** Guest2015 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:13 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.153.126] has joined #openttd 23:25:16 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has joined #openttd 23:29:23 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-060-044.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:29:25 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:34 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.210.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:52 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:44:55 *** amiller [~amiller@pool-96-255-47-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:59 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-210-133-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 23:55:36 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]