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00:04:45 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:20:40 *** qwebirc68369 [~oftc-webi@abke47.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 00:23:45 *** qwebirc68369 [~oftc-webi@abke47.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:19 *** Majson [~oftc-webi@aajq87.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 00:24:32 <Majson> yo 00:25:27 *** Majson [~oftc-webi@aajq87.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 01:10:46 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:18:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has joined #openttd 01:59:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 03:09:48 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.131.160] has joined #openttd 03:15:50 <retro|cz> Did you saw TTD 2013? 03:15:52 <retro|cz> or TT 03:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no 03:16:30 <retro|cz> http://www.transporttycoon.com/ 03:16:37 <retro|cz> looks like locomotion 03:30:36 <Japa> I got burned out from pixel art fast. Now I model. http://i.imgur.com/eLfJuFG.jpg 03:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> nice hover train :) 03:33:05 <Eddi|zuHause> make sure you stay (roughly) within the bounding box 03:33:33 <Japa> The roof sticks out a little 03:33:43 <Japa> because otherwise the train is flat 03:34:43 <Japa> Wheels aren't on there because my boss just called begging me to come to work on my day off 03:35:41 <scshunt> Japa: wait. this is your job? 03:36:14 <Japa> No, my job is not 3d related 03:36:17 <Japa> anymore 03:36:28 <Japa> but I have to go now instead of working on it 03:38:38 <scshunt> bye 04:12:45 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 04:13:26 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.117] has joined #openttd 04:16:18 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:17:51 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.105.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:30:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D0CA.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5EA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6620F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:25:29 *** frodus [~frodus_de@mail1.farstadsimulation.com] has joined #openttd 05:32:32 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:04 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 05:35:24 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 05:38:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D0CA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:41:42 <retro|cz> Eddi|zuHause, that's cool hovercraft. 05:42:31 <retro|cz> ahh, that was Japa's 05:44:05 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.131.160] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:45:59 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-19-102.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 05:51:47 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:53:35 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.128.139] has joined #openttd 05:57:42 *** Pecio [~fgh@acdv168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 06:26:16 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 06:51:34 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:07:24 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.117] has joined #openttd 07:13:51 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:44 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:38:46 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.117] has joined #openttd 07:41:51 <Supercheese> Whew, starting a Latin translation for OTTD is going to be rough 07:41:59 <Supercheese> lots of genders and cases to keep track of 07:45:21 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:53:31 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:03:27 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:05:54 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.134.39] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 08:09:19 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:04 *** guru3_ [~guru3@90-230-86-71-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17:54 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:20:05 <__ln__> hb pm 08:26:20 <Supercheese> Valete omnÄs, dormiturus sum 08:26:25 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 08:28:13 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:28:47 <V453000> asdf y 08:31:34 <MNIM> Supercheese: wait, there wasn't one yet? 08:33:30 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 08:44:30 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:19:12 *** Pecio [~fgh@acdv168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:37 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:19:52 *** Pecio [~fgh@acdv168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:23:06 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-19-102.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause> we did have piglatin for a while, if that counts :p 09:32:07 *** frodus [~frodus_de@mail1.farstadsimulation.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:33:25 * MNIM plays with latin town names. 09:33:52 <planetmaker> MNIM, not town names. The entire UI :-) 09:35:18 <MNIM> I know. 09:35:53 <MNIM> but it's why I figured there'd be someone crazy, err, enthusiastic enough to do the ui in latin, too 09:36:08 <MNIM> don't all great pieces of software have a latin version?: 09:37:25 <planetmaker> who knows? :-) 09:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause> do you know a great piece of software? 09:38:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it's easy to make assertions about members of the empty set :p 09:39:38 <__ln__> if OpenTTD was available in latin, i would only play it in latin. 09:40:00 <__ln__> at least once a native speaker has proofread it. 09:40:29 <Eddi|zuHause> see, both these sentences could easily apply to the empty set :p 09:42:55 <__ln__> "Hamaxostichus (-i, m.) est in rebus ferriviariis genus vehiculorum inter se copulatorum quae a machina vectrice in orbitis trahuntur." 09:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds more like a dinosaur 09:48:01 <planetmaker> sounds strange :-) 09:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling YNM completely missed the point of the suggestion... 09:48:28 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 09:55:08 <planetmaker> what do you refer to, Eddi|zuHause ? 09:55:22 <Eddi|zuHause> forum 09:57:29 <planetmaker> he... got a forum message "My name is Daniel and I am contacting you in order to ask few questions regarding OpenTTD and bus movement. May you help me with some answers regarding the change of direction and the movement itself?". I replied with my counceling fees ;-) 09:57:30 <Eddi|zuHause> suggestion: "stations should have limited capacity of certain cargos depending on which tiles you place" - reply: "stations have unlimited capacity" 09:57:52 <planetmaker> ah, thx 10:12:39 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 10:14:51 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:00 *** alluke_ [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 10:28:04 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28:23 *** alluke_ [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:29 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.115.89] has quit [Quit: Quit message has been created to spam purpose. True history. (www.adiirc.com)] 11:40:52 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 11:58:03 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 12:14:43 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17:17 <alluke> why cant ottd use 2gb sprite cache 12:17:22 <alluke> i always get the warning 12:17:55 <V453000> 2gb? o_O 12:20:34 <Xaroth|Work> o_O 12:20:42 <Xaroth|Work> how many sprites are you using again? 12:40:16 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:12 <__ln__> i'm tempted to buy a latin grammar book now 12:45:57 <__ln__> well not just grammar, a beginner's book that teaches the appropriate phrases that a tourist needs. 12:50:20 <V453000> caput, anus, you know everything you need 12:50:22 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:50:28 <V453000> a-z 12:57:49 *** Pecio [~fgh@acdv168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:03:51 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 13:08:15 *** AndreasB [andreas@80.64.200.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:19 *** AndreasB [andreas@80.64.200.25] has joined #openttd 13:15:42 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:21:40 *** DanMacK [~d83bfcf7@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:21:50 <DanMacK> Hey all 13:23:18 <alluke> hi 13:30:07 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.115.89] has joined #openttd 13:30:37 *** DanMacK_ [~439e4ff0@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:34:07 *** DanMacK [~d83bfcf7@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:42 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 13:40:21 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:09 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:06:11 *** fjb is now known as Guest190 14:06:12 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:40 <Belugas> hello 14:13:03 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:04 *** Guest190 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:44 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 14:18:12 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:23:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:26 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:36:14 <cyph3r> Hi. Guys please, does anyone know how to undo a terraforming limit? I've got a savegame from one multiplayer game I've played recently and I can't seem to be able to undo this. I'd like to landscape without limits :( 14:36:33 <cyph3r> I've found terraform_frame_burst (which I'm not sure what it does), but no documentation for it. 14:36:40 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:39:16 <V453000> try to type "set terraform_frame_burst" in the console 14:39:18 <V453000> without "" 14:39:22 <V453000> that will get you the current value 14:40:03 <V453000> idk if 0 will disable the thing, I think you need to set the highest value possible - trying something like 33333333333333333333 might do that 14:40:08 <V453000> I think max is like 64k 14:40:12 <planetmaker> I believe it does, yes 14:40:26 <V453000> yarr 14:40:27 <planetmaker> nah, max is like 2**32 14:40:32 <planetmaker> iirc 14:40:33 *** DanMacK_ [~439e4ff0@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:40:36 <cyph3r> Well, It's 65535 which is the max. 0 does absolute ban on terraforming and supposed max value should be 1073741824 14:40:52 <V453000> ^_ 14:40:55 <V453000> more or less :) 14:41:22 <V453000> I suppose it works like with other settings, if you set station_spread to 666, it results in 64 anyway 14:41:26 <V453000> so try a high number 14:41:33 <cyph3r> Yea, but when I set this value, and then write "setting terraform_frame_burst", the value is 0 :D 14:41:50 <V453000> well then if you try something like 30k, it will still work fine enough? 14:41:51 <planetmaker> there are more than the burst setting 14:42:14 <V453000> ^ that too 14:42:33 <V453000> try clear_frame_burst 14:42:33 <planetmaker> terraform_per_64k_frames = 4194304 14:42:33 <planetmaker> terraform_frame_burst = 4096 14:42:33 <planetmaker> clear_per_64k_frames = 4194304 14:42:33 <planetmaker> clear_frame_burst = 4096 14:42:33 <planetmaker> tree_per_64k_frames = 4194304 14:42:35 <planetmaker> tree_frame_burst = 4096 14:42:37 <V453000> yarr :) 14:42:38 <V453000> that :) 14:42:41 <planetmaker> is in my cfg and I believe it's default 14:42:44 <cyph3r> It needs to be something more, because event with 32 or 64K, it still lets me terraform just a little bit. 14:43:04 <V453000> then check the other values pm pasted 14:43:36 <planetmaker> burst is burst (like in short time) and per_64k_frames is the amount you're allowed in longer time 14:43:55 <planetmaker> so high burst won't help if 64k_frames is very low :-) 14:45:12 <cyph3r> Ah, that was it! Thank you SO MUCH! :] 14:45:51 <planetmaker> yw 14:49:11 <V453000> and they terraformed happily ever after, happyend :> 14:49:49 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:07:33 *** jamesgo [~james@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1948B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:12:24 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 15:16:05 *** thomas002003 [~Thomas@2a01:e34:eef6:9530:b838:bd55:b13b:9d39] has joined #openttd 15:17:15 <AndreasB> How do I join a specific company in a saved network game thats opened locally? 15:19:24 <AndreasB> nvm, started a server 15:29:59 *** thomas002003 [~Thomas@2a01:e34:eef6:9530:b838:bd55:b13b:9d39] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 15:46:48 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.108.105] has joined #openttd 15:47:13 <zooks> Im at a point where there are too many road vehicles for my cpu to handle, which makes the mouse pointer react really slow. Is there a way to give the ui a higher priority than the gameticks/pf? 15:48:02 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.146.11.122.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:52:15 <TinoDidriksen> If that part was threaded out, but I don't think it is... 16:07:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:08:03 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:12:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has joined #openttd 16:22:51 *** Dozer [Dozer@0x5e912f54.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:24:12 <Dozer> planetmaker I've been playing with some friends for the last couple of days, and yesterday we found some sweet as fuck mods. Got some new trains, vacuum-train, and a shitload of new industries. Now I'm just wondering, if you know the name of one of those mods, that allows stations and trains to be more than 12 squares long and wide? 16:26:24 <zooks> Dozer, it's an advanced setting in normal openttd 16:26:28 <Pinkbeast> Dozer: Isn't that just an option? 16:26:34 <Dozer> Oh, I didn't know. 16:26:40 <Dozer> I though it was a mod. 16:29:09 <Dozer> 64 is the max, no matter what? 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:46:59 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:05 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 18:52:26 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:55 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:21 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:21:13 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:29 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:32:52 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p4FC6327D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:33:28 <fjb_mobile> Moin 19:34:28 <Rubidium> hi 19:41:02 <retro|cz> Any checked already my pimped jukebox? 19:41:25 <retro|cz> Anyone checked already my pimped jukebox? 19:42:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:45:07 <LordAro> *Anyone already checked my pimped jukebox? :p 19:45:10 <LordAro> no, btw ;) 19:46:48 *** Longtomjr-phone [~yaaic@197.65.1.71] has joined #openttd 19:46:55 <MNIM> *Has anyone already checked my pimped jukebox? :p 19:54:52 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:06 <__ln__> ohh, i learned only now that Atari was Steve Jobs's former employer. 19:59:27 <Rubidium> *does anyone care about a pimped jukebox? 20:02:24 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has joined #openttd 20:05:53 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 20:16:55 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p5B0B6140.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 20:17:28 <Terkhen> good night 20:19:01 <Longtomjr-phone> night 20:24:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:27 *** Longtomjr-phone [~yaaic@197.65.1.71] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 20:36:28 *** fjb_mobile [~frank@p4FC6327D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:44 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:59 *** fjb_phone [~fjb@p4FC6327D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:44:52 *** mouseym [~mouseym@89.206.243.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:02 *** Ttech [~ttech@00014919.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:33 <frosch123> night 20:49:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f72f8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:52:40 *** fjb_phone [~fjb@p4FC6327D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:58:16 <Supercheese> I never realized there was a wikipedia in latin 20:58:20 <Supercheese> http://la.wikipedia.org 21:01:53 <__ln__> it's quite useful for finding terms in latin 21:02:17 <Supercheese> Indeed 21:02:57 <__ln__> so... did you start with the OpenTTD translation yet? :) 21:03:05 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has joined #openttd 21:03:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 21:03:34 <Supercheese> Yes, I'm not sure how to handle cases yet; I'm emulating Greek for the moment 21:03:39 <Supercheese> still translating cargos 21:04:07 <Belugas> that is a fun way of spending time :) 21:04:10 <__ln__> excellent 21:04:18 <Supercheese> I'll want some proofreaders at some point 21:04:21 <Supercheese> :) 21:05:17 <__ln__> i guess once it's completed some dialects such as french, spanish, and italian can be dropped. 21:06:10 <Supercheese> http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamaxostichus 21:06:15 <Supercheese> I... never knew 21:07:06 <__ln__> wtf does that word mean as such? or does some more commonly word derive from it? 21:07:29 <Supercheese> Hamaxostichus is apparently "train" 21:07:44 <glx> seems so 21:07:53 <Supercheese> seems rather more Greek than Latin 21:08:24 <__ln__> but since i don't think the Roman empire had trains, did that word mean something else back then? 21:09:04 <Supercheese> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamaxitus 21:09:10 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:17 <Supercheese> Seems derived from that city name 21:09:36 <Supercheese> "The city's name derives from ጠΌαΟα (hamaxa) meaning 'wagon'," 21:09:58 <Supercheese> my Greek guess was correct 21:10:18 <Supercheese> good old Romans, just conquer civilizations and adopt their words 21:10:48 <Supercheese> ugh, how to translate "Cola" 21:10:51 <Supercheese> silly Toyland 21:11:43 <MNIM> Supercheese: I know of not a single language that translate it, since it's (originally) a brand name... 21:11:52 <MNIM> so I wouldn't 21:11:58 <Supercheese> I thought it came from the Kola nut? 21:12:08 <Supercheese> but sure, sounds reasonable 21:12:17 <MNIM> originally it's from the coke plant. 21:12:24 <MNIM> since that's what cola originally contained. 21:13:36 <MNIM> Ehh. coca plant, not coke plant 21:14:03 <Supercheese> http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piratae_Maris_Caribii_%28pellicula%29 21:14:25 <Supercheese> I need to read this entire wiki 21:14:46 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:15:22 <MNIM> So I suppose you could use something derived from the scientific name for the plant, but there's not much variation there 21:15:53 <MNIM> oh hey. of course there's a latin wiki 21:17:31 <__ln__> " in Germania comitia habebentur. cancellaria Angela Merkel et Petrus SteinbrÃŒck candidati primarum duarum factionarum CDU et SPD erant et Angela Merkel vicit" 21:18:11 <Supercheese> I've noticed the Latin wiki seems to not use macrons 21:18:30 <Supercheese> I've been using them in translating, I wonder what popular opinion is on that 21:18:48 <MNIM> macrons? 21:18:49 <Supercheese> i.e. in GermaniÄ 21:18:53 <Supercheese> vs. in Germania 21:18:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A5B5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:18:58 <MNIM> oh 21:19:01 <MNIM> no no no no 21:19:04 <MNIM> that is not latin! 21:20:40 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:55 <__ln__> Supercheese: btw, are you aware that the finnish broadcasting corporation is sending news in latin on the radio? (also available online) 21:20:56 <MNIM> I mean, the U, word separation and punctuation is one thing, but macrons? 21:21:16 <Supercheese> and then there's the whole lowercase letter stuff ;) 21:21:26 <MNIM> Oh, yes, and that. 21:21:32 <Supercheese> I'll not use them, who am I to disagree with the Latin wiki? 21:24:01 <__ln__> Supercheese: http://areena.yle.fi/radio/1986167 21:24:42 <Supercheese> ! 21:24:55 <MNIM> though I suppose you could call that punctuation 21:24:58 <MNIM> also, wut 21:25:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D0CA.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:11 <Supercheese> impetus chemicus, heh 21:25:20 <MNIM> apparently some dutch people are not too good at english. 21:25:34 <MNIM> had to offer a translation to the dutch 'barman' 21:25:44 <MNIM> gee, I wonder how I should translate that! 21:25:50 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:28:00 *** Ttech [~ttech@00014919.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:19 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:55 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 21:30:32 <MNIM> hmmmh. 21:30:54 <Supercheese> Seems outside of the texts I used to learn Latin, macrons aren't really used 21:31:37 <MNIM> I find wikipedia's latin translation for (internet) 'site' to be a bit unelegant. 21:31:57 * Supercheese shrugs 21:32:19 <Supercheese> I'd say 21:32:25 <Supercheese> "pagina" 21:32:29 <Supercheese> i.e. web page 21:33:10 <Supercheese> Hehe, "Frequenter Allatae Quaestiones " 21:33:35 <Supercheese> "Interretialiter Relatum Colloquium " 21:33:44 <Supercheese> a bit of a stretch 21:37:08 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:38:24 <MNIM> Supercheese: pagina works slightly better, though my inclination would be to emphasize the internet or electronic aspect to differentiate, though that is less needed with with 'pagina', I suppose 21:38:29 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:15 <__ln__> i definitely need to buy a latin textbook. 21:40:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:40:39 <Supercheese> http://www.obta.uw.edu.pl/~draco/docs/voccomp.html 21:40:54 <Supercheese> Surprisingly, there's not an entry for "web page" or similar there 21:41:14 <Supercheese> although there is "homepage subst. pagina domestica " 21:41:35 <__ln__> but 'web' is there 21:41:43 <Supercheese> pagina telae 21:41:56 <Supercheese> telae pagina, etc. 21:42:13 <Supercheese> Hah, Tela Totius Terrae 21:42:54 <MNIM> pretty nice one 21:44:01 <__ln__> Interretialiter Relatum Colloquium 21:44:15 <Supercheese> already mentioned that one ;) 21:44:26 <__ln__> oh yes 21:44:28 <Supercheese> rather relevant, non? 21:44:38 <Supercheese> or well, nonne 21:44:48 <Supercheese> but I always thing French even when I say that in latin 21:44:52 <Supercheese> think* 21:44:58 <__ln__> do the romans pronounce the first 'u' in Colloquium? 21:45:19 <Supercheese> I can't say, but my professor did, so I do :P 21:46:30 <__ln__> hmm, yes, i don't suppose latin really has this concept of unpronounced letters, nor letters pronounced in a completely arbitrary way. 21:46:40 <MNIM> as did my professor 21:46:49 <MNIM> original latin, anyway. 21:47:14 <MNIM> church latin (gregorian) isn't so nice 21:47:22 <Supercheese> the romans pillaged enough words from Greek that they have some silent letters 21:47:56 <Supercheese> exempla gratia http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumaticum 21:48:18 <Supercheese> exempli* 21:49:17 <Supercheese> YES, they mention Donkey Kong Country in that article 21:49:24 <Supercheese> that is awesome :D 21:49:48 <MNIM> ah, right, the greek eu 21:49:49 <__ln__> indeed 21:50:06 <__ln__> yeah, the greek are in eu, still 21:50:25 <MNIM> sadly, though that was not what I was talking about >.> 21:59:54 <planetmaker> Supercheese, wrt cases, can't you in the lang file define your own cases simply? 22:00:16 <planetmaker> or why is it that you "pillage" the greek translation? 22:00:20 <Supercheese> Sure, I'm just not sure about invoking cases in string calls and the like 22:00:38 <Supercheese> It shouldn't be a problem, I just haven't gotten there yet 22:01:32 <planetmaker> if you need cases at all. E.g. German language has cases, the German translation of OpenTTD can do without any 22:02:00 <planetmaker> and instead has an additional gender: male, femal, neuter and plural ;-) 22:02:10 <Supercheese> I'd anticipate when interacting with e.g. town names that are called by {STRING}, cases may be necessary 22:02:29 <glx> yeah 3 genders for french too ;) 22:02:38 <Supercheese> or... abusing plurals? 22:02:40 <glx> (2 male) 22:02:43 <Supercheese> genders, rather? 22:03:05 <planetmaker> there's three things: plurals, genders and cases 22:03:55 <Supercheese> I'll cross that bridge when I come to it 22:04:06 <planetmaker> plurals define the flexion of the words depending on a preceeding number: 22:04:10 <planetmaker> 0 houses 22:04:11 <planetmaker> 1 house 22:04:18 <planetmaker> 1+n houses (n>1) 22:04:33 <glx> language dependant 22:04:43 <planetmaker> other languages have more than 2 forms there. and for other numbers 22:04:48 <planetmaker> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2661/ 22:05:00 <planetmaker> ^ currently defined plural schemes 22:05:16 <planetmaker> English is in line 1 (2 cases, special 1) 22:05:18 <Supercheese> yikes 22:05:49 <Djohaal> hmm 22:06:00 <Djohaal> is there any way of tracking the orign of a desync? 22:06:02 <Supercheese> four plural forms... whew 22:06:21 <planetmaker> yeah... we added the last one only recently for Scotish Gaelic 22:06:40 <planetmaker> like this summer somewhen 22:07:05 <planetmaker> but then: there's also five ;-) (line 6) 22:07:09 <glx> russian is fun for plural 22:07:19 <planetmaker> Russian translation has *loads* of cases 22:07:22 <Supercheese> the mind boggles 22:07:46 <MNIM> Supercheese: aren't you forgetting one? 22:07:52 <planetmaker> Supercheese, I'm actually wondering whether latin has only one or two plural forms. So easy :-) 22:07:55 <MNIM> afaik there's five 22:08:01 <planetmaker> probably like Enlish there 22:08:11 <Supercheese> Latin plurals are like English, yes 22:08:18 <planetmaker> so, that's easy :-) 22:08:22 <Supercheese> fortunately 22:08:25 <planetmaker> :-) 22:08:35 <Supercheese> hmmm, "cotton candy" 22:08:36 <MNIM> ehhhh 22:08:36 <Supercheese> :S 22:08:42 <Supercheese> ideas? 22:09:00 <MNIM> when I learned the thing, there's four genders, times two for plural, times five for cases. 22:09:07 <MNIM> might've missed a case 22:09:23 <Supercheese> I haven't mentioned cases yet 22:09:34 <planetmaker> so... gender. three. m, f, n. I don't think a "plural" gender works for latin as flexion of adjectives depends on noun gender 22:09:43 <planetmaker> so three genders 22:09:50 <MNIM> four. 22:09:56 <planetmaker> ? 22:10:01 <Supercheese> Surely only 3 genders 22:10:09 <Supercheese> unless you count indecl. 22:10:15 <planetmaker> nah 22:10:16 <MNIM> indecl.? 22:10:24 <Supercheese> undeclined 22:10:35 <Supercheese> e.g. mane 22:10:40 <Supercheese> "morning" 22:11:01 <Supercheese> it's not really worth adding as a special case 22:11:11 <planetmaker> if there's no distinction between different genders for a string simply don't make a distinction 22:11:11 <MNIM> I meant those not ending on -a, -um or -us in their base forms. 22:11:14 <MNIM> like progessor 22:11:19 <MNIM> *professor. 22:11:35 <planetmaker> professor always has a gender 22:12:02 <planetmaker> and gender is not defined by the ending. But by the word, by the actual gender 22:12:04 <glx> gender is mainly used for adjectives 22:12:08 <MNIM> yeah, it does, but in grammar it's treaded as a separate gender 22:12:13 <MNIM> *treated 22:12:15 <MNIM> dammit 22:12:27 <MNIM> it must be getting late, two spelling errors in a minute. 22:12:34 <MNIM> whoa, caught a third one on time. >.< 22:13:16 <planetmaker> anyway, 3 genders here 22:13:52 <planetmaker> and cases... tbd 22:13:53 <Markk> Hoi guise! 22:13:54 <MNIM> Or, you know. 22:14:03 <MNIM> this could all be solved very smoothly 22:14:11 <Markk> Is "Ich prÀsentiere die Hanna" a correct form? 22:14:13 <MNIM> by making latin the base language of ottd. 22:14:46 <planetmaker> how would that make anything smooth(er)? 22:14:50 <MNIM> pretty much all grammar for the more common languages (read, indo-european) has the latin equivalent. 22:15:10 <__ln__> Markk: sounds wrong to my non-native eyes. 22:15:19 <planetmaker> ok. what about Thai, Chinese, Arabic, Japanese, Korean, Malay, ...? 22:15:21 <Markk> __ln__: Hm, mkay. 22:15:36 <MNIM> Arabic is an indo-european language AFAIK 22:15:45 <__ln__> Markk: though depends what is it supposed to mean. 22:16:05 <planetmaker> MNIM, you still didn't specify how a change of base language would make anything easier anywhere 22:16:27 <MNIM> well, you don't need to bother finding workarounds for the lack of grammar in the base language. 22:16:55 <planetmaker> eh? You don't need to "work around". OpentTD supports you to define the grammar for your language 22:17:07 <planetmaker> but you need to define it properly 22:17:21 <MNIM> Ah, did not know that. 22:17:39 <MNIM> still, should solve the need to do so separately for each newly translated language. 22:17:42 <planetmaker> define the cases if you need them. But I'm sure you don't need vocative here 22:17:52 <Supercheese> I'm not worried about OTTD engine being unable to handle stuff, I'm worried about me getting the syntax right :P 22:17:56 <planetmaker> it would not solve that either 22:18:20 <Markk> __ln__: "I present Hanna", but the Hanna sounds a bit wierd, but I'm not sure if you should have the before a name in German. 22:18:42 <planetmaker> well :-) Russian has it all, for instance :-) 22:18:44 <planetmaker> ##gender m f n p 22:18:44 <planetmaker> ##case m f n p nom gen dat acc abl pre 22:19:15 <planetmaker> dunno why it has the genders also as cases (or whether that's something else entirely) 22:19:51 <Supercheese> I doubt I'll need all cases, but we'll see 22:19:54 <MNIM> Supercheese: ah - that's the issue of every translation :P 22:20:27 <planetmaker> yeah, probably not all needed. But maybe a few additional ones for constructs like AblAbs or aci 22:20:55 <Supercheese> accusative destinations may be nice for order lists 22:21:05 <Supercheese> we'll see :) 22:21:12 <planetmaker> :-) 22:21:33 <Supercheese> cotton candy --> "Sacchari Xylinum"? 22:21:48 <Supercheese> I'm in unknown waters here... 22:22:22 <Supercheese> wonder what it is in spanish... 22:22:31 <Supercheese> "Algodón Dulce" 22:22:33 <Supercheese> pretty close 22:22:56 <planetmaker> SukerÅpinaĵo in esperanto 22:23:29 <MNIM> lol, that's awfully close to the dutch 'suikerspin' 22:24:26 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:16 <Supercheese> Esperantonem non loquor 22:25:41 <MNIM> you don't speak esperanto? 22:25:48 <MNIM> what a surprise :P 22:26:08 <Supercheese> It's not emphasized anywhere here 22:26:13 <Supercheese> while surprisingly, Latin still is 22:26:48 <MNIM> well, latin used to be a world language, and is a huge influence behind most current world languages. 22:27:01 <MNIM> whereas esperanto is the opposite of both 22:27:41 <MNIM> having never been a world language, and having been inspired by other world languages instead 22:28:14 <MNIM> not to mention it's an invented language, without accompanying culture or ethnic group 22:28:59 <Supercheese> I think I'll stick with "sugar cotton" for now 22:29:11 <MNIM> also, Esperanto is the prime example of this 22:29:11 <MNIM> http://xkcd.com/927/ 22:34:38 *** Dozer [Dozer@0x5e912f54.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 22:38:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:39:39 <__ln__> bonum nocte 22:39:50 <Supercheese> vale, dormiture 22:41:29 <Supercheese> Hmm, "toffee" 22:41:44 <Supercheese> tough one 22:45:12 <MNIM> something along the lines of 'soft sugar', maybe? 22:45:38 <Supercheese> Well, it's caramelized sugar 22:45:46 <Supercheese> more or less anyway 22:45:57 <Supercheese> so I'm leaning towards the "caramel" part 22:46:28 <Supercheese> caramel is apparently "saccharum tostum" 22:46:37 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 22:46:40 <MNIM> ah. toasted sugar. 22:46:43 <MNIM> fair enough :P 22:46:46 <Supercheese> Indeed :) 22:46:52 <glx> barbe-à -papa here :) 22:46:54 <planetmaker> he :-) 22:47:08 <planetmaker> well, have fun. And good night :-) 22:47:13 <Supercheese> vale 22:55:03 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc9-wals9-2-0-cust237.16-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:55:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc9-wals9-2-0-cust237.16-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 23:03:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B7B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:32 <Supercheese> Can I change OTTD to do numbers in Roman Numerals? ;) 23:14:46 <Supercheese> Not that I'd want to, but it'd be cute :P 23:14:59 <Supercheese> want to try and read them* 23:55:22 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]