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00:00:19 <Tulitomaatti> ^ doable but illegilible :D 00:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the largest recorded number in roman numerals is 3 million, which repeats the 100.000 sign 30 times 00:01:15 <Tulitomaatti> except if you cheat and use powers and other math. VII*X^M 00:02:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you really wouldn't want to calculate powers in an additive system... even multiplication is already way less fun :) 00:03:17 <Tulitomaatti> i imagine coding a class to handle arithmetics with those is... fun!? :D 00:04:20 <glx> better code a converter class and do the math as usual ;) 00:04:23 <Tulitomaatti> especially if you don't do it so that you always convert operants to normal stuff 00:04:27 <Tulitomaatti> -ts +ds 00:04:41 <Tulitomaatti> glx: yeah... but what's the fun part in there? 00:04:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you should at least "normalize" out the subtraction rule 00:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. IX -> VIIII 00:05:49 <glx> and VI -> V -> IV 00:06:30 <Eddi|zuHause> then you need a multiplication table for each pair of literals 00:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> then you have a "simple" text replacement 00:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and after that you have to re-normalize again 00:07:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. sort and combine 00:08:27 <glx> you can simplify using groups I-V-X X-L-C C-D-M 00:08:39 <glx> each group follow the same rules 00:10:28 <Eddi|zuHause> so for example XIX*VII -> XVIIII*VII -> (LXX)(XXVVV)(VII)(VII)(VII)(VII) -> L XXXX VVVVVV IIIIIIII -> CXXVII 00:10:52 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea whether that is correct :) 00:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i seem to miss a V 00:14:00 <glx> and a I disappeared :) 00:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, was just searching for that one, because it can't be even :p 00:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> XIX*VII -> XVIIII*VII -> (LXX)(XXVVV)(VII)(VII)(VII)(VII) -> L XXXX VVVVVVV IIIIIIII -> CXXXIII 00:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause> better now :) 00:25:41 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 00:35:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:37:07 *** DDR [~chatzilla@184.71.170.250] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:47:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AC31.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58:13 *** Eddi|zuHause2 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11:35:38 <mygameuplay> i need help 11:36:13 <mygameuplay> who do i contact so that i record OpenTTD vids and then moentize them 11:36:22 <mygameuplay> so that i have copyright permission to do so 11:36:50 <Pinkbeast> mygameuplay: What on earth makes you think there's money in OTTD gameplay videos? 11:37:31 <__ln__> mygameuplay: don't contact anyone. 11:37:48 <V453000> I really wonder which idiot would pay for openttd videos 11:38:16 <planetmaker> put ads next to a youtube video probably counts as monetization 11:38:24 <mygameuplay> its so I can receive moey from t 11:38:25 <mygameuplay> it 11:38:40 <V453000> :d 11:38:53 <Pinkbeast> mygameuplay: That is the usual meaning of "monetization", yes. Why not tell us what a "video" is next? 11:39:07 <__ln__> why not come up with a method to convert the in-game money into real money 11:39:20 <planetmaker> oh, that'd be nifty, __ln__ 11:39:36 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.1.111] has joined #openttd 11:39:38 <planetmaker> mygameuplay, so, does google / youtube ask you to obtain that permission before you may host a video? 11:39:43 <Pinkbeast> __ln__: Why not a real-life daylength patch so you can live more and age less? 11:39:56 <planetmaker> Pinkbeast, +1 on that, too ;-) 11:40:23 <Pinkbeast> Although I'd want cargod*st too. I don't normally go to the station, get on the first train, and get off wherever it stops next. 11:40:29 <mygameuplay> look 11:40:42 <mygameuplay> i just need perm from someone so that i can do it 11:40:52 <Pinkbeast> mygameuplay: There is no-one who can give you such permission. 11:41:19 <blathijs> I wonder if a gameplay video constitutes a derived work from the graphics shown. If so, distributing videos with the original graphics would be impossible and usign OpenGFX the video would be licensed as GPL... 11:41:49 <mygameuplay> i played CS 11:41:55 <mygameuplay> and i needed perm for that 11:42:04 <mygameuplay> even though it was decayed lite version 11:42:21 <Pinkbeast> I always get a perm before I play CS. It's important that your hair looks good, don't you think? 11:42:35 <V453000> seriously? how do you need permission to post things you recording your activity on your pc 11:42:40 <V453000> law is fucked up if thats true 11:42:50 <planetmaker> loooook, Pinkbeast :-) I guess I just learnt a new word :D 11:43:04 <V453000> wtf is CS, too 11:43:11 <planetmaker> counterstrike 11:43:13 <V453000> I doubt it means Creative Suite in this case 11:43:14 <Pinkbeast> It's a kind of riot gas, everyone knows that. 11:43:16 <V453000> oh hm 11:43:20 <V453000> you can shoot people there eh 11:43:39 <planetmaker> just like in OpenTTD. If you drive the apache or fighter plane 11:44:00 <Pinkbeast> Why shoot people when you can stop their bus on a level crossing and steamroller them with a train? 11:44:03 <planetmaker> the submarine on the other hand is just curious and not offensive 11:44:17 <mygameuplay> haha 11:44:27 <planetmaker> mygameuplay, the problem is: who should give you such permission? 11:44:28 <mygameuplay> u guys are SOOOOO funny 11:44:43 <mygameuplay> owner of openttd 11:44:49 <planetmaker> mygameuplay, the game has its license, that tells what is allowed and what not. The same goes for 3rd-party graphics, if you use any 11:45:00 <planetmaker> and then there's general copyright law 11:45:04 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 11:45:41 <planetmaker> which in my eyes allows taking screenshots and gameplay movies under the provisions of "fair use" or so. but I'm not a lawyer 11:45:50 <planetmaker> nor am I the sole copyright holder 11:46:00 <blathijs> mygameuplay: There is no single owner of OpenTTD (nor OpenGFX), so if you need any particular permission that is not covered by the license, you'd have to get permission from all contributors (that's dozens) separately 11:46:04 <planetmaker> so that view of mine is ... not overly relevant. 11:46:20 <mygameuplay> ok 11:46:25 <mygameuplay> thanks guys 11:46:45 *** mygameuplay [zakwak@220-244-33-149.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 11:46:46 <blathijs> mygameuplay: I don't know about the legal status of a gameplay video, especially wrt the GPL license. Like planetmaker says, it could be seen as fair use. 11:46:57 <planetmaker> he 11:46:58 <blathijs> mygameuplay: I'm pretty sure that if you ... 11:47:02 <planetmaker> he's gone 11:47:25 <planetmaker> I really wonder. We also rather frequently get the same question via e-mail. I wonder where this all comes from 11:47:33 <planetmaker> I wished he had answered that question :-) 11:49:13 <Pinkbeast> I think some big evil games company (EA?) has vaguely suggested you might need permission for LPs, probably as part of a shakedown, and whatever spammy ad company does this stuff is handing the problem off to the video authors. 11:50:02 <planetmaker> actually... OpenSFX may explicitly NOT be monetized 11:50:12 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:46 <blathijs> planetmaker: Perhaps from here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/138161?hl=en 11:51:02 <planetmaker> yeah, I assume so 11:51:28 <V453000> so nobody can make an openttd video with opensfx and put it on youtube theoretically? that sounds dumb 11:51:40 <Pinkbeast> This is clearly a bit spurious because it's not like monetization makes a given video more or less of a copyright violation. 11:51:53 <V453000> mhm yeah 11:52:03 <planetmaker> Pinkbeast, not true. It depends on the rights you have 11:52:03 <Pinkbeast> V453000: Nobody can do that and get money from Youtube for doing it, which is a state of the world I can live with. 11:52:11 <planetmaker> and "non-commercial" is found very often 11:52:27 <planetmaker> monetization clearly is commercial, though 11:53:01 <V453000> youtube paying for views or whatnot is a strange idea on its own tbh :) 11:53:07 *** underclass [~underclas@180.250.30.97] has joined #openttd 11:54:23 <Pinkbeast> planetmaker: Fair point, if you're in a jurisdiction where EULAs work on ordinary users. 11:54:36 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/entry/docs/license.txt#L87 @ Pinkbeast - it makes for lenghty closing credits :D 11:55:47 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/entry/docs/readme.ptxt#L167 11:56:37 <blathijs> V453000: I think the OpenSFX limitations only apply if you need the license to get the right to publish your video. If you just post a short snippet that could be seen as fair use (or perhaps a "quote" which has special conditions in copyright law), then you don't need permission through the license and the license's conditions don't need to apply I think 11:56:41 <planetmaker> add to that http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/docs/readme.ptxt#L287 and http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/tags/1.3.0/readme.txt#L637 and it's quite long :-) 11:57:04 <planetmaker> yes, what blathijs says 11:57:35 <planetmaker> I mean, it's good that youtube raises an awareness for the issue that you cannot simply put online everything 11:57:43 <planetmaker> but it has to be seen in relation really 11:58:29 <planetmaker> and the knowledge of what constitutes a quote, what 'fair use' (or its equivalent) is often not well communicated as everything focuses only on copyright, copyright and forbidding to copy/share/distribute 11:58:40 <planetmaker> without mentioning the actual rights users have 12:00:50 <Pinkbeast> I think the saintly desire to "raise an awareness" has very little to do with it. :-) 12:03:00 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:03:40 <planetmaker> btw, Ristovski if you have an issue again to pull from a repo, use for now http://rhodecode.openttdcoop.org/PROJECTNAME 12:03:55 <Ristovski> planetmaker: Okay! 12:04:13 <planetmaker> Pinkbeast, sure, it's selfish. They need to maintain their safe-harbour thing to not become eligible for issues themselves 12:05:35 <planetmaker> which is also why they exercise a first ban, then ask policy, like so many 12:05:47 <planetmaker> (which in my eyes is totally distorted part of the law) 12:06:02 <Ristovski> planetmaker: what is the issue btw 12:06:07 <Ristovski> hg server crashed? 12:06:40 <planetmaker> no, not really. But effectively the hg web backend is acting up 12:07:41 <planetmaker> so I guess we need to replace hgweb by something more suitable 12:08:30 <Ristovski> Ah, ok 12:09:59 <Ristovski> planetmaker: I cant seem to find any NML compiler for Archlinux, any ideas? 12:10:04 <Ristovski> (like source code of it) 12:10:21 <planetmaker> python needs no compilation. Just get a checkout of the NML repository 12:10:34 <Ristovski> ok 12:11:11 <planetmaker> it's also easier to update then :-) 12:11:42 <Ristovski> Yeah, :P 12:13:33 <Ristovski> planetmaker: I only found it in bundles.openttdcoop, where can I find the repo> 12:14:04 <planetmaker> [14:01] <planetmaker> btw, Ristovski if you have an issue again to pull from a repo, use for now http://rhodecode.openttdcoop.org/PROJECTNAME :D 12:14:19 <planetmaker> with PROJECTNAME = nml 12:14:36 *** Speedy` [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 12:14:39 <Ristovski> *drops head on table* 12:14:52 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 12:15:02 <planetmaker> :-) 12:15:13 <Ristovski> Now I cant find python-plex 12:15:17 <Ristovski> grr, damnit arch 12:15:30 <Ristovski> python-ply actually 12:15:57 <planetmaker> actually, the source is also on the bundles server... 12:16:07 <Ristovski> Meh, i found it in AUR 12:16:09 <planetmaker> just not as repository but as tar ball 12:16:30 <planetmaker> yes. and python-imaging (or python-PIL) 12:17:47 <planetmaker> btw, python need be python 2.6 or python 2.7 (maybe 2.5, not sure) 12:18:28 <Ristovski> i only found PIL for python3 12:18:37 <planetmaker> eh... that doesn't exist :-) 12:18:49 <planetmaker> that must be pillow actually 12:18:53 <Ristovski> Yeha 12:18:55 <Ristovski> yeah* 12:19:12 <Ristovski> Well, I guess I cant have the dev opengfx :C 12:19:15 <Ristovski> doesnt matter 12:19:31 <planetmaker> that doesn't matter 12:19:47 <planetmaker> PIL and pillow also exist for python2 12:19:54 <Ristovski> Not in arch seems like 12:20:07 <Ristovski> Ill search for source later 12:20:19 <planetmaker> python2-imaging 12:20:28 <planetmaker> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/python2-imaging/ 12:21:13 <Ristovski> Oh, thanks 12:22:34 <Ristovski> "ImportError: No module named ply.lex" 12:22:42 <Ristovski> But I have python-ply 12:22:51 <planetmaker> for python3? 12:23:00 <Ristovski> Let me check 12:23:28 <Ristovski> planetmaker: Derp, yup 12:25:05 <Ristovski> planetmaker: cant I just use easy_install? 12:25:32 <Xaroth|Work> don't use pil 12:25:33 <Xaroth|Work> use pillow :| 12:25:40 <Xaroth|Work> pil has been deprecated for ages 12:26:05 <Xaroth|Work> and pip install ply 12:26:07 <Xaroth|Work> should work 12:26:21 <Xaroth|Work> (if pip isn't available, easy_install pip ) 12:26:26 <Ristovski> it works now 12:26:33 <planetmaker> no idea, Ristovski. try? 12:26:39 <Ristovski> planetmaker: Yup, works 12:26:42 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: might be useful to make a requirements.txt 12:26:42 <Ristovski> thanks for helping 12:26:45 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> monetization clearly is commercial, though <-- my non-lawyer-y opinion says no to that. for "commercial" you need to get a _significant_ amount of money. (like more than 400⬠per month, over all your similar activities) 12:26:48 <Xaroth|Work> so you can tell people to do pip install -r requirements.txt 12:27:01 <Ristovski> Xaroth|Work: good idea 12:27:18 <Xaroth|Work> that also allows you to force a version for a library 12:27:23 <planetmaker> if NML needs that: please provide patch(es) 12:27:31 <planetmaker> it could actually use that well, I think 12:27:46 <planetmaker> it has something with buildout. But not sure in what shape it is... 12:28:02 <planetmaker> adding something to faciliate easier install is on my list... but... not exactly high up 12:28:20 <planetmaker> my list is anyway longer than I could do in my life :D 12:28:29 <Ristovski> planetmaker: might be bug in Makefile? "/bin/bash: -m: command not found" 12:28:59 <planetmaker> maybe... I guess it's a missing dep, though 12:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause> sadly, lawmakers often leave the part of "what is commercial" open for the judges to decide 12:29:12 <planetmaker> you have grfcodec installed, Ristovski ? 12:29:20 <planetmaker> you need that, too. For the md5sums 12:29:32 <planetmaker> (rather the associated grfid) 12:29:40 <Ristovski> planetmaker: How am I supposed to "sudo make install" when it tried to run mercurial as root 12:29:48 <Ristovski> >inb4 "not trusting untrusted user" 12:29:55 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g226179083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:29:59 <planetmaker> err, what? 12:30:17 <Ristovski> planetmaker: if i run sudo make install in opengfx 12:30:25 <Ristovski> it spits out "not trusting file /home/rafael/opengfx/.hg/hgrc from untrusted user rafael, group rafael" 12:30:27 <planetmaker> you first ran make? 12:30:31 <Ristovski> planetmaker: Yes? 12:30:38 <planetmaker> hm :-) 12:30:40 <Ristovski> "For security reasons, Mercurial only trusts hgrc files owned by the user running Mercurial. Settings from untrusted files will generally be ignored." 12:30:48 <planetmaker> then install is broken 12:30:53 <planetmaker> I guess I didn't test that in ages 12:30:59 <Ristovski> planetmaker: Yup 12:31:17 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i guess it's the part that gets the revision? 12:31:32 <planetmaker> make a symlink from ~/.openttd/baseset /path/to/opengfx-dev 12:31:51 <Ristovski> planetmaker: Ugly hacks, but ok 12:32:19 <planetmaker> well, if you want to toy with it, it might be hack, yes. But... easier to update really 12:33:06 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, what? 12:33:31 <planetmaker> the revision thing for getting version? Well, yes. But for install it should not be needed. And for builds from tar ball neither 12:33:35 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:36:45 <Ristovski> "HG ?= $(shell hg st >/dev/null 2>/dev/null && which hg 2>/dev/null) 12:36:45 <Ristovski> RE_FILES_NO_SRC_BUNDLE = ^.devzone|^.hg" 12:36:53 <planetmaker> ah, hm, I guess I know where that comes from... all the variables are initialized also when not used 12:36:55 <Ristovski> planetmaker: That? 12:37:11 <planetmaker> one of them 12:37:19 <planetmaker> but the latter... no 12:37:43 <Ristovski> planetmaker: I peek'd at Makefile, only occurance of HG that has some command 12:37:56 <planetmaker> Ristovski, look for $(HG) 12:38:12 <planetmaker> there's many 12:38:43 <Ristovski> yup 12:38:44 <Ristovski> true 12:39:44 <planetmaker> without configure script I can't really get rid of them in a sane way 12:40:27 <Ristovski> Make one then :D 12:41:03 <planetmaker> I thought about that often. I didn't yet find enough gain in that 12:45:39 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:55 <Ristovski> planetmaker: or you can autogen.sh, then ./configure, and as alternative make cmake :D 12:49:13 <Ristovski> or scons, because lets make everything hard 12:49:19 <planetmaker> I could do many things 12:49:23 <planetmaker> Doesn't mean I will ;-) 12:49:34 <Ristovski> :P 12:51:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:04:50 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:19 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:08:27 <DanMacK> Morning all 13:12:46 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 13:15:57 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-127-8.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:45 *** Pecio [~fgh@agaa66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:27:40 <Belugas> hello 13:28:36 <V453000> hy 13:29:03 *** underclass [~underclas@180.250.30.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:29:58 <Belugas> sir Beer! 13:30:45 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 13:31:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:17 <planetmaker> V453000, do you have a sprite which shows all (or most) of your cargos without being loaded on a vehicle? 13:31:44 <planetmaker> *spritesheet 13:31:46 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 13:32:35 <V453000> partially pm 13:33:13 <V453000> e.g. each wagon spritesheet has the wagons, some spritesheets even have cargoes aside 13:33:14 <planetmaker> I'm just looking for some nice ideas which could show cargo in general... and I'm too lazy to re-invent the wheel :D 13:33:19 <planetmaker> ah 13:33:34 <V453000> for the latest ships I have .psds with cargo layer 13:33:34 <planetmaker> and it needs to fit on 20x20 px just to get the idea :-) 13:33:41 <planetmaker> ah, that'll be helpful 13:33:50 <planetmaker> got a link? in the nuts repo? 13:34:00 <V453000> no, it isnt there 13:34:23 <planetmaker> I was thinking of using one of the usual 'cargo crates'. But maybe there's something nicer :-) 13:34:35 <V453000> I can upload it when I get home, but iz large 13:35:06 <V453000> might export it for you just as a png for show 13:35:09 <planetmaker> no rush and no worries, I can handle that 13:35:26 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=54549 <-- basically I'm thinking about buttons for that 13:35:27 <V453000> but yeah, will do :) remind me if I dont 13:36:00 <V453000> isss that a correct link? 13:36:00 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1098622#p1098622 13:36:43 <Belugas> salut planetmaker :) 13:37:23 <V453000> idontgetit pm :| 13:37:29 <Xaroth|Work> o/ Belugas 13:39:28 <planetmaker> called "improved order window" 13:39:46 <planetmaker> removing the need for the many drop-downs, etc 13:40:31 <V453000> oh, showing cargo in general 13:40:31 <V453000> I see 13:40:37 <V453000> and you need icons for those things 13:41:23 <V453000> but yeah a clicky button order window would not just be nice as there would not be the dropdown, but mainly because the order list would get so much more visible what is where 13:42:34 <planetmaker> well, not so much cargo, but the different orders. Like unload / load / transfer / (yes, maybe refit to cargo would work, but that's then the actual cargo icon) 13:43:20 <planetmaker> my idea is to have unload like a cargo moved down (arrow). transfer like cargo with arrow through... well. I need to draw that :-) 13:43:53 <V453000> when I was making (large) icons for junctionary, I did a black wagon with arrow out of it / into it 13:44:06 <V453000> perhaps something like a small black box imitating wagon with some arrow like that would work nicely 13:45:02 <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Junctionary_-_Stations 13:47:29 <planetmaker> maybe. I need to experiment a bit 13:47:59 <V453000> say if you needed a hand :) 13:52:30 <planetmaker> well. It needs button for a)unload if accepted b)unload also if not accepted (=transfer) c)load d)full load 13:53:07 <planetmaker> and e)refit to most waiting cargo 13:54:34 <V453000> omfg e) :) 13:57:05 <V453000> b) needs two? 13:57:09 <V453000> unload vs transfer 13:57:33 <planetmaker> I don't think so. As forced unload is the same as a) and b) combined 13:58:15 <V453000> hm 13:58:20 <V453000> will consider things 13:58:37 <V453000> quite wtf things to express in an image tbh :P 13:58:39 <V453000> cya for now 13:59:25 <planetmaker> yeah. And bye :-) 13:59:57 <planetmaker> could be simple text buttons. But that uses more screen real estate 14:10:51 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:00 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:23:45 <planetmaker> Deliver, Unload, Load, Full load, (Refit) available 14:30:21 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:35:45 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.25] has joined #openttd 14:49:42 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:00:07 <roboboy> gnight peoples 15:13:47 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:13:53 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:28:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:39 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p57978095.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:33:55 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 15:49:47 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-164-48-240.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:01:57 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@100.231.90.146.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:23:26 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 16:23:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:59 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:36:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@184.71.170.250] has joined #openttd 16:58:37 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 17:01:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008533.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:08 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:16:39 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:21:33 <V453000> planetmaker: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/SHIP_FLATBED_only_cargo.png 17:38:12 <frosch123> glass ships? 17:40:25 *** arand__ [~arand@nl116-226-21.student.uu.se] has joined #openttd 17:41:32 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.1.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:55 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.1.111] has joined #openttd 17:42:15 <DanMacK> Hey V, is NUTS on BaNaNaS? 17:45:19 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25806 trunk/src/lang/japanese.txt (2013-10-02 17:45:11 UTC) 17:45:20 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:21 <DorpsGek> japanese - 1 changes by guppy 17:56:06 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:17 *** jjavaholic_ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 17:59:52 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:02:23 <V453000> of course it is DorpsGek 18:02:25 <V453000> DanMacK: 18:12:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:12:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:17:20 <AndreasB> bf4 beta :D 1min45 sek left @27 MB/s 18:17:34 <AndreasB> sec 18:18:10 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@31.122.80.47] has joined #openttd 18:18:17 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:32 <andythenorth_> o/ 18:18:57 <andythenorth_> DanMacK: hi hi 18:19:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-136-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:19:34 <Wolf01> hello :D 18:22:35 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@31.122.80.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:50 <Alberth> hi 18:26:31 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently no nml coder ever had the need to read any ttdpatch flag 18:27:59 <Alberth> or they just used the ones common with OpenTTD ? 18:32:35 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:18 <frosch123> https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:General#General_variables <- Eddi|zuHause: that page lists a bunch of them 18:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause> then i didn't find those in the nml source 18:38:04 <frosch123> now you can grep with the name :p 18:44:32 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:48:31 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but that page lists a "ttdpatch_flags" variable that is certainly nonexisting 18:48:56 <frosch123> yup, quite sure about that as well 18:49:19 <frosch123> but it has dynamic_engines and stuff 18:52:22 <frosch123> ttdpatch_flags would be a 128 bit variable or some nonsense like that 19:16:07 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@31.122.80.47] has joined #openttd 19:16:08 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@31.122.80.47] has quit [] 19:20:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:21:07 <andythenorth> DanMacK: o/ 19:30:54 <arand__> Is there any mod out there that balances planes so that they are not so much easy money as they tend to be? 19:31:07 <andythenorth> hmm 19:31:08 <arand__> Or any settings recommendations? 19:31:18 <andythenorth> turn down plane speed, use maintenance costs 19:31:26 <andythenorth> or try AV8 grf 19:31:50 <andythenorth> (AV8 has it's own ideas about speed and maintenance, so do one or the other) 19:32:04 <andythenorth> or use base cost mod grf and increase plane running costs 19:38:02 <arand__> Ah, looks like some good options, thanks. Hoping to make our games less of a plane fest :) 19:41:47 <Alberth> set max number of planes to 0 :) 19:42:01 <V453000> ^ 19:42:11 <andythenorth> wait for V453000 to do planes :P 19:42:20 <V453000> yeah you can wait for that 19:42:29 <Alberth> you may never play a game then :) 19:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause> rail-planes? :p 19:51:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@212.112.47.66] has joined #openttd 20:11:13 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 20:31:22 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:26 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.139.149] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:02:10 * Zuu counts to 2208 API symbols in the GS API. 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