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was there a time in NML development when 1cc and 2cc werent recolored automatically? 07:43:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A191F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:54:08 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.101.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:54:33 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.109.54] has joined #openttd 08:01:21 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.109.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03:04 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:21:07 *** Pecio [~fgh@afkn97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:29:28 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.101.61] has joined #openttd 08:33:47 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 08:51:22 *** zeknurn` [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:51 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:51 *** zeknurn` is now known as zeknurn 09:24:03 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:24:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:35:34 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.1.121] has joined #openttd 09:41:33 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.109.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:43:47 *** jjavaholic_ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 09:50:55 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:16 <andythenorth> hmm 09:52:24 <andythenorth> hotels are unexpectedly closing in FIRS 09:52:26 <andythenorth> can't see why 09:54:28 *** Pecio [~fgh@afkn97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54:59 *** Pecio [~fgh@afkn97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:56:20 <Alberth> magic 09:58:40 <andythenorth> it will be the monthly prod cb running somewhere 09:58:47 <andythenorth> but the code for hotel is non-standard P 09:58:48 <andythenorth> :P 10:09:37 *** Virtual- [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:00 *** Virtual- [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has joined #openttd 10:14:03 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:25 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:35 * andythenorth opens 13.5MB of FIRS nml :P 10:20:36 <andythenorth> hmm 10:20:59 <andythenorth> the nml doesn't show any handling of production cb 10:21:18 <andythenorth> maybe I can just set the 'no close' flag 10:21:27 <andythenorth> this isn't how I recalled it working though :P 10:34:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:44:17 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 10:51:58 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.101.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:26 *** Pecio [~fgh@afkn97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:17 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:38 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:42 *** Pecio [~fgh@afkn97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:25:46 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.101.61] has joined #openttd 11:34:21 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.101.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:24 <Eddi|zuHause> [18.12.2013 08:43] <juzza1> the sprite already has 1cc and 2cc colours, so why do you need "1: return base_sprite_2cc + CB_RESULT_COLOUR_MAPPING_ADD_CC;" recolour mapping for it? was there a time in NML development when 1cc and 2cc werent recolored automatically? <-- it's a flag, if you leave it out, the colour(s) will stay unmodified 12:06:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:10 <juzza1> yes, I didn't realize they both do basically the same thing (setting the flag vs. the tutorial way) 12:20:36 <planetmaker> the tutorial only implements it to have one place to define the colour translation. It's actually a very neat way 12:38:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:36 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-40-217-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 12:40:30 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.233] has joined #openttd 12:42:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C030.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:47:04 *** jjavaholic__ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 12:52:10 *** jjavaholic_ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:56:35 <planetmaker> andythenorth, FIRS bulk terminal has an unreferenced spritelayout: nmlc warning: "generated_pnml/bulk_terminal.pnml", line 9530: Block 'bulk_terminal_spritelayout_28' is not referenced, ignoring. 12:56:47 <andythenorth> I'll remove it 12:57:36 *** jjavaholic_ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 13:03:48 *** sruz25 [~chatzilla@144.193.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:04:45 *** jjavaholic__ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:02 * andythenorth watches another 6 min compile :) 13:05:12 <andythenorth> I need my mac back :( 13:06:43 <andythenorth> is *any* of nml multi-threaded? I keep seeing it saturate more than one core, allegedly 13:06:55 <andythenorth> which doesn't fit with my mental model of it - single threaded python 13:07:05 <Xaroth|Work> andythenorth: compiles here don't take that long :o 13:07:28 <planetmaker> what computer do you work on that it takes 6 minutes for you? (Full compile or just update compile)? 13:07:43 <andythenorth> this is full FIRS compile 13:07:50 <andythenorth> some old mac I found in the office 13:07:57 <andythenorth> crappy spec 13:09:05 <planetmaker> 1m34.230s on my office PC 13:09:25 <planetmaker> cheap ~1 year old machine 13:09:27 <andythenorth> :( 13:09:33 <andythenorth> sad times for andythenorth 13:09:42 <planetmaker> what happend to your other one? 13:10:13 <planetmaker> did it walk out on you, citing slavery rules or so? :D 13:10:42 <andythenorth> chewed up its SATA cable again 13:10:52 <andythenorth> 4th time that's happened on macs I own 13:10:56 <andythenorth> or it has a defective motherboard 13:11:02 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:08 <planetmaker> woot? that's crappy indeed 13:11:23 <andythenorth> repetetitve issue on 13" macbooks it seems 13:11:40 <andythenorth> especially if you swap out the drive yourself for an SSD and aren't ultra careful :P 13:13:08 <planetmaker> he 13:13:48 <V453000> cause it looks like they do 13:13:50 <V453000> could trains changing stats based on current_railtype cause desyncs? :D 13:14:47 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:15:19 <Xaroth|Work> andythenorth: 2m30s here on this vps 13:15:29 <Xaroth|Work> but that can be tweaked 13:15:33 <Xaroth|Work> (make clean && make ) 13:19:16 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:21:03 <andythenorth> planetmaker: fixed that layout :) 13:22:18 <planetmaker> :) 13:22:49 <andythenorth> hmm 13:22:50 <andythenorth> puzzling 13:23:02 <andythenorth> I wonder if other FIRS town industries have unwanted closures 13:23:08 <andythenorth> I can't see anything to prevent them 13:23:16 <andythenorth> ah 13:23:24 <andythenorth> the rest are black holes, only the hotel has production 13:23:36 <andythenorth> and if it has production, maybe the production callback comes by and closes it 13:25:00 <V453000> dying 13:25:00 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-179-103-164.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:25:08 <Xaroth|Work> right 13:25:17 <Xaroth|Work> switching preprocess to pypy shaves off another 40s 13:25:20 <Xaroth|Work> <2m now 13:26:08 <Xaroth|Work> heh, got an error though 13:26:27 <Xaroth|Work> nmlc ERROR: "generated_pnml/arable_farm.pnml", line 1561: Cargo list must be an array with no more than 2 values .. but that might be to do with preprocessor running under pypy 13:28:12 <andythenorth> preprocessing is only 6s for me anyway, once caches are primed 13:28:25 <Xaroth|Work> yeh, i'm doing a make clean beforehand though 13:28:28 <andythenorth> yeah 13:28:30 <Xaroth|Work> to force it full 13:28:43 <andythenorth> sounds like a string processing issue 13:28:57 <andythenorth> https://bitbucket.org/pypy/compatibility/wiki/chameleon 13:29:01 <andythenorth> there's the answer :) 13:29:15 <Xaroth|Work> that explains 13:29:18 <Xaroth|Work> sucky chameleon :P 13:32:42 <Xaroth|Work> http://i.imgur.com/BG4NZ.jpg 13:33:14 <Xaroth|Work> 1m10s without a make clean, using pypy 13:33:21 <Xaroth|Work> vs 2m44 with make clean 13:33:34 <andythenorth> 'zippier' 13:34:33 * andythenorth wonders if BLACK_HOLE will produce 13:37:19 <Xaroth|Work> running without pypy, without make clean 13:37:21 <Xaroth|Work> 2m57 13:38:02 <andythenorth> hmm spec is silent 13:38:09 <andythenorth> reading ottd code is faster than this compile :) 13:42:20 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.101.61] has joined #openttd 13:46:18 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:45 *** Pecio [~fgh@afkn97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:50:30 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:56:50 <andythenorth> hmm 13:57:04 <andythenorth> just saw a black hole industry reset production multiplier (set by cheat) 13:57:13 <andythenorth> let's not think about that too much :P 13:57:27 <andythenorth> can't reproduce it 14:06:19 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50-32-26-78.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 14:11:57 <planetmaker> V453000, something like that is the case... we should ask frosch later :) 14:12:17 <V453000> I was already checking if he is present :) 14:12:30 <V453000> but yeah :d 14:12:57 <V453000> either way, I believe public server is not getting desyncs or I have not seen any 14:13:07 <V453000> and it uses hundreds of the trains in question 14:13:33 <V453000> idk the differences between that revsision and 1.3.3 but hm 14:13:45 <planetmaker> the issue is not that generally as you asked it. Some stats shall not change iirc :) 14:13:54 <planetmaker> maybe also that 14:14:06 <planetmaker> but I can't recall any change to that end 14:14:06 <V453000> idk, its just power/speed/tractive effort coefficient 14:14:19 <V453000> and the weirdest part is, stable desynced while the trains didnt change anything 14:14:24 <V453000> they ran on the same railtype all the time 14:22:47 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:25:05 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:19 <andythenorth> herp 14:56:32 <andythenorth> no Farm Supplies in FIRS basic economies before 1927 :( 14:56:33 <andythenorth> oopsie 15:01:40 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50-32-12-118.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:11 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50-32-26-78.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:40 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-40-217-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:35 <andythenorth> maybe FIRS 1.3.0 is done :o 15:24:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 15:25:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:25:42 <Alberth> nice! 15:25:57 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:26:05 <andythenorth> ok, so the FIRS translations are now becoming too much to add to the changelog 15:26:10 <andythenorth> what with credits and such 15:26:19 <andythenorth> can I stop? :P 15:27:40 <planetmaker> credits are in the commit log 15:32:23 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2907/ 15:32:32 <planetmaker> ^ since 1.2.0 15:32:49 <planetmaker> plus any manual translation additions. There are a few, too 15:34:18 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2908/ 15:34:48 <planetmaker> ^ andythenorth 15:34:50 <andythenorth> I can see them :) 15:34:56 <andythenorth> I usually manually copy and paste 15:35:00 <andythenorth> then alphabetise 15:35:03 <andythenorth> and consolidate 15:35:23 <andythenorth> that first paste is handy though 15:35:39 <andythenorth> I have to look up the language codes 15:35:57 <planetmaker> it's the output from hg log --template='{desc|tabindent}\n' -r1.2.0:tip | grep 'changes by' 15:36:46 <planetmaker> the 2nd the result of hg log --template='{node}: {desc|tabindent}\n' -r1.2.0:tip | grep 'translation' 15:39:01 <andythenorth> where are lang codes? o_O 15:39:05 <andythenorth> newgrf wiki maybe? 15:39:38 <andythenorth> hmm they're numeric 15:40:04 <andythenorth> this can wait :) 15:40:06 <Alberth> andythenorth: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2909/ 15:40:17 <andythenorth> thannks 15:40:23 <andythenorth> can we make eints do this? :P 15:40:34 <andythenorth> I am doing menial copy-paste 15:40:40 <andythenorth> which is appropriate to my skill level :P 15:40:42 <andythenorth> but boring 15:41:22 <Alberth> eints doesn't keep track of history 15:41:28 <andythenorth> oh well 15:41:44 <planetmaker> I think the question was to have languages in commit messages other than lang codes? 15:41:50 <planetmaker> or do I err? 15:41:57 <andythenorth> that would be useful 15:42:05 <Alberth> a script to dig through the change sets would be a good solution imho 15:42:07 <andythenorth> codes aren't always obvious 15:42:34 <planetmaker> well... they are if you looked at them a few times. I dare say I know 90% of those by heart if not more :) 15:42:59 <andythenorth> you're volunteering to update the FIRS changelog? o_O 15:43:13 <planetmaker> but... I dealt too much with language files to pass as average newgrf author in that respect :P 15:43:28 <Alberth> :D 15:43:43 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I dare say you combine those two pastes of mine and remove duplicates and that's it? 15:44:18 <andythenorth> I always consolidate the lines 15:44:28 <andythenorth> so there's only one line per lang, with credits 15:44:43 *** DarkAce-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 15:44:51 <andythenorth> need to call set() on them :) 15:44:56 *** sruz25 [~chatzilla@144.193.broadband3.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:29 <planetmaker> pl -> Polish, sv -> Swedish, hr -> Croatian, ko -> Korean, pt -> Portuguese, fi -> Finnish, nb -> Norwegian (bokmal), zh_TW -> traditional Chinese zh_CN ->simplified Chinese, es -> Spanish 15:48:30 <andythenorth> doing it now 15:49:06 <planetmaker> I possibly could adopt my 'make_changelog' script to sort-out languages automatically 15:49:17 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 15:53:17 <andythenorth> 1.3.0 now done as RC, but going to sit on it until Christmas Eve or so 15:53:22 <andythenorth> needs testing :) 15:54:21 <planetmaker> :) 15:55:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:59:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:02:53 <Alberth> wb 16:05:01 <andythenorth> mac issues :) 16:10:10 <andythenorth> so....do any of you actually use RVs? o_O 16:11:06 <planetmaker> yes. For local traffic (~20 tiles or so) I do use RV. Or if space for stations comes at a premium 16:11:19 <planetmaker> I don't use them for (much) longer distances 16:12:08 <planetmaker> no vehicle type can live with less space on the map than RV 16:13:38 <andythenorth> so why no use on long hauls? Other than it's visually very noisy :P 16:13:42 <andythenorth> too slow? 16:14:10 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/Henwell Transport, 1963-06-21.png 16:14:49 <planetmaker> too much maintenance and management really. And congestion. One train has easily the capacity of a dozen vehicles 16:14:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:08 <Alberth> accepting industries are just outside the picture 16:15:31 <planetmaker> speed is somewhat an issue, too - but ... using RV accross the map usually doesn't feel right. It's a train game, right? 16:15:49 <alluke> i like to build freeways and send rvs across the map 16:15:54 <Alberth> whatever makes most money :p 16:15:58 <Taede> untill someone makes a gs that limits traincount 16:16:20 <Pinkbeast> Getting RVs to use bays at a busy station sensibly can be tricky 16:17:40 <Xaroth|Work> tricky being the understatement here 16:18:40 <planetmaker> Taede, why GS? It's a plain and plump general setting 16:18:57 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.1.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:57 <planetmaker> max_trains = 10 :P 16:19:17 <Xaroth|Work> max_trains = 1 , and make it a map with huge distances between locations 16:19:25 <Xaroth|Work> also, max_planes = 0 16:19:27 <Xaroth|Work> gl&hf. 16:19:37 <Xaroth|Work> mammoth train++ 16:19:52 <Taede> yes, but player can change that in sp 16:20:16 <Xaroth|Work> if they want to cheat, that's their flaw :P 16:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "max_trains=1" reminds me of the history lesson where my teacher said "after WWI, germany was limited to 6 warships. so they wouldn't forget how a warship looked like" 16:20:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.237] has joined #openttd 16:20:38 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: idea for next ottdc game? :P 16:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth|Work: might be fun with autorefit 16:22:08 <Eddi|zuHause> enable the option to have always 100% station rating, and send one giant train in circles 16:22:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and use some RV feeders 16:23:41 <andythenorth> I have tried the giant train mechanic 16:23:47 <andythenorth> it doesn't work with cdist 16:26:01 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.1.121] has joined #openttd 16:33:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:35:26 *** Japa_ [~Japa@112.79.37.94] has joined #openttd 16:36:05 *** Virtual- [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:31 *** Virtual- [~Virtual@46.7.241.30] has joined #openttd 16:37:52 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.1.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:17 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50-32-12-118.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:44:39 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.1.121] has joined #openttd 16:48:31 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:55 *** Japa_ [~Japa@112.79.37.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:44 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50-32-25-108.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:52 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 16:58:07 *** h [~h@197.123.10.191] has joined #openttd 16:59:39 *** h [~h@197.123.10.191] has left #openttd [] 17:00:23 *** Zuu [~Zuu@m-office.sdrf.se] has joined #openttd 17:07:56 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:59 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50-32-25-20.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:00 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50-32-25-108.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:53 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50-32-25-20.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:25:35 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50-32-25-20.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:23 <alluke> i just found out that they actually do sing 'back in black' in back in black 17:35:54 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:05 <Eddi|zuHause> who what where? 17:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as they don't sing "backstreet's back" 17:40:15 <Xaroth|Work> alluke: AC/DC ? 17:40:18 <alluke> yeah 17:40:59 <alluke> and i do have that 'backstreet's back' in my library too :P 17:41:03 <Xaroth|Work> :| 17:41:18 <Xaroth|Work> why ruin AC/DC with backstreet girls? 17:42:51 <alluke> separate songs 17:43:06 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f742612.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:30 <LordAro> quak 17:43:42 <frosch123> hola 17:47:24 <alluke> has the development of roadtypes even started 17:47:51 <Eddi|zuHause> dozens of years ago 17:48:10 <alluke> is there a topic 17:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause> we even had bits for a "highway" roadtype reserved once 17:48:17 <frosch123> in 1994 there was one roadtype, in 2007 there were two, you can extrapolate for more 17:49:41 <alluke> i was thinking about normal, dirt, and isr roads 17:51:17 <planetmaker> not to forget cobblestone, highway, federal road, local road, tank track, logging track, cross-country race track 17:51:42 <alluke> wouldnt the code be just copypaste from railtypes with some mods 17:52:02 <alluke> sounds good 17:52:09 <peter1138> Yeah, you go ahead and try that... 17:52:24 <planetmaker> :) 17:52:34 <planetmaker> a clear 'yes, but' 17:52:43 <alluke> i dont know how ottd is coded, just thought if thats possible :P 17:52:47 <planetmaker> (mind the bear traps in the path) 17:52:57 <andythenorth> the development of roadtypes has started at least twice 17:53:05 <andythenorth> it's a turkey 17:54:12 <alluke> how long did railtypes take from idea to trunk 17:58:08 *** Guest1206 [~TheDude@main.novapolis.net] has quit [Quit: Bye irc.oftc.net 6667] 17:59:11 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: you mean from the first guy thinking "there should be electrified rails", over TTDPatch's implementation of elrail, then coming OpenTTD's implementation of elrail, and then adding fully flexible NewGRF railtypes, to the still-planned additional features (like two parallel tracks on the same tile with different railtypes)= 17:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 17:59:15 <andythenorth> peter1138: never been tempted to try roadtypes again? o_O 17:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: makes almost 20 years of development now 18:00:40 <alluke> 20 years? 18:00:41 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.101.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:44 <alluke> is ottd even that old 18:00:49 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50-32-43-159.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:56 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.47.15.7.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 18:04:19 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:04:39 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50-32-25-20.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: no, but development didn't start with creating openttd... 18:12:47 <alluke> ok 18:23:33 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26165 trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp (2013-12-18 18:23:30 UTC) 18:23:34 <DorpsGek> -Change [FS#5832]: Improve layout of build-airport GUI (hackalittlebit) 18:43:31 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.228.17] has joined #openttd 18:48:15 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C37FB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:11:51 *** Gethiox2 [~gethiox@aehh113.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:18:28 *** Gethiox [~gethiox@actf7.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-55-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:23:16 <Wolf01> hello 19:29:38 <peter1138> andythenorth, no 19:30:11 <andythenorth> oh you'd love it 19:31:07 <andythenorth> nothing says 'christmas' like RoadTypes rts = GetRoadTypes(tile); 19:32:46 <peter1138> Pretty sure that features in the last patch... 19:32:54 <andythenorth> probly :) 19:33:17 * andythenorth wonders about an ugly attempt to use just a third roadtype 19:33:21 <andythenorth> hard-coded, for personal use :P 19:33:29 <andythenorth> but what would it be? o_O 19:33:30 <peter1138> You're ugly. 19:33:41 <andythenorth> there's only one answer to that 19:33:45 <andythenorth> but I don't like to mention your mum 19:35:26 <andythenorth> if you could only pick one extra roadtype, what would it be? 19:35:32 <andythenorth> highway is stupid, we already have that 19:38:18 *** Sacro [~ben@000127ee.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:24 <andythenorth> oh dear 19:39:45 * andythenorth counts bits 19:41:58 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 19:42:17 * andythenorth is not good enough at counting 19:46:54 *** jjavaholic__ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 19:49:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:59 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 19:51:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:43 *** jjavaholic_ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:47 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:58:46 <andythenorth> eh http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2910/ 19:58:58 <andythenorth> ah this is a better view http://paste.openttdcoop.org/raw/2910/ 20:03:40 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:09:24 *** Executioner [~127.0.0.1@catv-80-98-232-109.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 20:09:27 <Executioner> hi 20:10:05 <Executioner> I've got a single question: Is there any way to cross a rail owned by other company in multiplayer? 20:11:04 <andythenorth> bridge 20:11:06 <andythenorth> tunnel 20:11:39 <Executioner> I mean actually crossing, not going over or under it, like multiple companies using the same railway 20:12:01 <andythenorth> not in default game 20:12:15 <Executioner> Ah well, thanks 20:12:24 <Executioner> goodbye 20:12:28 *** Executioner [~127.0.0.1@catv-80-98-232-109.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [] 20:15:14 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:18:14 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.58.9.14.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 20:21:17 <andythenorth> no-one bites on my paste? :) 20:25:38 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.47.15.7.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:17 <Zuu> andythenorth: That is also a possible approach. 20:39:59 <Zuu> Question: Will rails use 4 bits to allow placing on single road bits? 20:40:08 <Zuu> but not catenary? 20:40:52 <andythenorth> I figured rails work as tram rails do now 20:40:56 <andythenorth> so no extra bits 20:41:02 <andythenorth> catenary - I don't know if we have the bits 20:41:11 <andythenorth> and building catenary piece by piece would be very boring 20:41:14 <andythenorth> and easy to make mistakes 20:41:19 <andythenorth> so electrify the whole tile, or not 20:41:30 <andythenorth> already it's easy to make mistakes with tram tracks 20:42:16 <andythenorth> also it's not good when I try to specify implementation :) 20:42:19 <Zuu> IIRC newgref checking adjacent tile for graphic selection is a no-no? 20:43:03 <Zuu> Though maybe there can be a cache? 20:44:57 *** DanMacK [~63f9c362@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:45:42 <DanMacK> hey all 20:50:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: it works well for rail tiles 20:51:45 <Zuu> If road tiles can check adjacent tiles for graphic selection at acceptable performance, then a single bit for cantenary could be used and simply leave it up to NewGRFs to use adjacent surface/rail bits decide if dead end catenary should be shown or not. 20:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: but that may cause weird effects 20:54:47 <Eddi|zuHause> like imagine a trolleybus road next to a tram line, then every branching road will have catenary stumps connecting the two lines 20:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: i'd rather define it "if both road and tram have catenary flag, the tram catenary is drawn" 20:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that means there's no bit in the tile for catenary 20:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> only in the roadtype spec 20:57:46 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:27 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:11 <andythenorth> that presumes players constructing by first choosing a type? 21:00:24 * andythenorth has an alternative proposal 21:06:32 <Eddi|zuHause> please keep quiet about it 21:07:16 <andythenorth> what, in case anybody gets distracted and stops implementing the non-implementable roadtypes spec? o_O 21:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause> also consider a "subway" railtype that has reduced tunnel costs, 3rd rail, and cannot be placed along roads 21:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe a road catenary must provide alternate sprites if tram catenary is present 21:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause> so the trolley bus catenary will have a different offset 21:14:04 <andythenorth> I'd just ask 'why?' 21:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> because people will build it 21:14:44 <andythenorth> everest :P 21:15:13 <andythenorth> ok, so to support the idea that we must let people build it, we stick to talking hot air about a spec for a feature no-one wants to do, that can't be done? 21:15:18 <andythenorth> to keep the spec pure? :) 21:15:38 <andythenorth> and we can't identify any gameplay benefits for? 21:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA 21:29:35 *** xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has quit [Quit: www.x-base.org] 21:30:01 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31:42 <andythenorth> that was 10 entertaining minutes 21:33:18 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:19 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:37:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a good example for "design by committee" 21:45:36 *** DanMacK [~63f9c362@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:46:07 * andythenorth returns from Wikipedia 21:53:57 <Xaroth|Work> that was quick 22:04:15 <andythenorth> hrrm 22:04:23 <andythenorth> frosch123: how long did it take you to write SV? 22:04:40 <frosch123> a weekend likely 22:04:43 <andythenorth> hmm 22:04:57 <andythenorth> so let's assume you are 5x or 6x better programmer than me 22:05:01 <frosch123> i finished it, so it cannot have taken longer 22:05:04 <andythenorth> so I would need 10 days to do something similar 22:05:30 <andythenorth> I am putting out new FIRS for christmas 22:05:41 <andythenorth> with an economy based on delivering as much as possible to ports 22:05:50 <andythenorth> considering a simple GS to go with it 22:07:18 <andythenorth> some simple cargo goal thing 22:08:09 <Wolf01> 'night 22:08:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:11:33 <Zuu> andythenorth: Did you see the "Real growth for FIRS" GS? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=69189 22:11:56 <andythenorth> ho ho I forgot about that 22:11:57 <andythenorth> :) 22:12:01 <Zuu> It's yet another city growth GS, but special in the sense that it is made with FIRS in mind. 22:12:36 <andythenorth> looks interesting 22:12:58 <andythenorth> my idea is something like NoCarGoal, but tailored for specific FIRS economy 22:13:14 <andythenorth> rather than random, which leads to me doing a lot of 'newgame' :P 22:13:39 * andythenorth wonders about creating something like the original TTD scoring 22:14:08 <andythenorth> 10 or so rating items, with 0-10 rating on each 22:14:14 <andythenorth> achieve 80% or more overall for gold 22:14:35 <andythenorth> I have no idea how to handle things like different map sizes, industry density, all that crap though :) 22:14:43 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:14:55 <Zuu> At some point I see that GS could hook into the scoring system in OpenTTD. However, that is mostly just visuals. You can already display a ranking table in the story book. 22:15:03 <andythenorth> o_O 22:15:07 <andythenorth> neat 22:15:19 <andythenorth> that would be plenty enough 22:15:26 <Zuu> That ranking table is not exactly a table. More some lines of text. 22:15:31 <andythenorth> this is things like: each year deliver 10,000t of Coffee 22:15:41 <andythenorth> have a total company value of £100000 22:15:43 *** jrambo [~jrambo@93-86-92-138.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 22:15:45 <Zuu> I hope I didn't gave the impression of it being a perfect grid. 22:15:50 <andythenorth> I don't care :) 22:15:59 <andythenorth> 10 lines of text would do 22:16:08 *** jrambo [~jrambo@93-86-92-138.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [] 22:16:16 *** johnrambo is now known as jrambo 22:16:17 <Zuu> 10 lines of text are available (or more if you wish) 22:16:32 <andythenorth> transfer at least 3000 crates of engineering supplies to the interior 22:16:41 <andythenorth> transport 25000 workers 22:16:42 <andythenorth> etc 22:17:37 <andythenorth> I figure, play a game, figure out how to get all 10, you've had enough. Try a new FIRS economy, with a new GS 22:17:57 <andythenorth> as usual, /me has enough projects though :P 22:22:48 <Zuu> hehe 22:23:03 <Zuu> I also do not have the problem of having to few projects :-) 22:23:32 <frosch123> night 22:23:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f742612.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:29:39 *** ntx [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:29:42 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:42 <andythenorth> time for bed 22:29:45 <andythenorth> zebedee 22:29:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 22:31:58 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 22:32:56 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:10 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 22:34:06 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [] 22:34:20 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 22:35:19 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 22:39:14 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:32 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:39:52 *** LordAro [~LordAro@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:20 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50-32-43-159.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:23 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50-32-43-159.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:45 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:49 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:07 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:38 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:03 *** Speedy` [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 22:45:51 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 22:50:44 *** Zuu [~Zuu@m-office.sdrf.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50:53 *** ntx [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:51:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A191F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:30 *** LordAro [~LordAro@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io] has joined #openttd 22:58:21 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50-32-44-201.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:43 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-232-75.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: On the rocks! ^^] 22:59:25 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:59:44 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-232-75.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:00:16 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:04:28 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50-32-43-159.drr01.hrbg.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:13 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:27 *** Super_Random [~kvirc@75-102-176-79.d2.itctel.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:08 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 23:17:57 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C37FB.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 23:19:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-35-131.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:48 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-179-103-164.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:04 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 23:23:07 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:24:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:27:57 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 23:42:14 *** Hazzard [~oftc-webi@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:39 *** DarkAce-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 23:53:40 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:58:46 *** bdavenport [~davenport@chronos.rpi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in]