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07:39:37  <Flygon_> Oh man
07:39:40  <Flygon_> OpenTTD is evil
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07:39:48  <Flygon> Work on a fictional story for a contest
07:39:51  <Flygon> Or work on a map some more
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08:21:30  <Xaroth|Work>
08:26:46  <planetmaker> moin
08:27:54  <Xaroth|Work> o/
08:28:02  <planetmaker> hehe, that's a nice 'question' :P
08:28:43  <V453000> WTF :D
08:29:07  <V453000> is any of those actually correct?
08:30:26  <planetmaker> hehe :)
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08:32:00  <V453000> id say it is something between 25 and 50 but idk :D
08:32:50  <planetmaker> it's either 25% or 50%. But obviously both is wrong :)
08:33:08  <V453000> right
08:34:43  <planetmaker> if all four answers were different, chance would be 25%. But the "25%" is present twice... :)
08:35:27  <V453000> that I know
08:35:40  <V453000> so I assume the chance is something between 50 and 25 :D
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08:37:38  <__ln__> but does it matter...
08:38:23  <__ln__> it probably does
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11:17:03  <Eddi|zuHause> the answer is 0% obviously
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11:24:35  <Pikka> obviously
11:32:13  <Xaroth|Work> Eddi|zuHause: but that's not one of the answers ;)
11:32:26  <Xaroth|Work> and if it were, it'd be wrong as well
11:32:53  <Xaroth|Work> and the whole point of the question is, that it is invalid, and cannot be answered
11:33:14  <Xaroth|Work> normally, it'd be 25%, but since there are 2 25% options, that would yield 50% .. which only has one option.
11:33:46  <Xaroth|Work> so the answer would be 0%, as there's no right answer.. but 1) if that were an option, it'd be wrong and 2) it's not an option, so cannot be an answer
11:33:48  <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth|Work: who said the answer has to be given as one of {A..D}?
11:34:35  <Xaroth|Work> that is implied by it being a multiple choice question
11:34:45  <Xaroth|Work> you have to choose an answer, and you're presented with the options
11:34:47  <Eddi|zuHause> nothing is ever implled
11:35:04  <Eddi|zuHause> s/ll/li/
11:37:13  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, multiple choice questions are not popular over here
11:37:50  <Xaroth|Work> I don't see the relevance of something being popular or not :)
11:38:30  <Eddi|zuHause> it has. if you want to challenge the mindset, you need something that is commonly "known" :)
11:38:52  <Xaroth|Work> knowledge of something and popularity are not related
11:39:05  <Xaroth|Work> there are enough things that are commonly known, but not popular at all
11:39:13  <Eddi|zuHause> like if you make a parody of knock-knock jokes, it won't work as well if the audience is not familiar with knock-knock jokes
11:40:54  <Eddi|zuHause> (
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12:05:55  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, you'd be surprised as to *how* popular multiple choice actually is
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12:39:16  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: maybe in the west. but in the east, no serious test i remember was multiple choice
12:39:51  <planetmaker> for me, that's the case neither. But if you look for instance at the (final) examinations for pharmacy students: they're all multiple choice
12:40:07  <planetmaker> disgusting if you ask me, but that's how it is
12:40:21  <planetmaker> and tests for driver licenses etc etc
12:41:12  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, drivers license, but that's already more complicated because more than one answer may be correct. also it's only part of the test.
12:43:04  <V453000> I had some english tests which were ABCD, and it was the toughest test I ever wrote :D it was made so that the answers were so similar, that before you read all 4 of them, it confused you to hell ... plus possibility of multiple being correct and 0 points if you have one missing or too many :D
12:44:19  <V453000> actually negative points for incorrect answers, makes it that much cuter
12:45:00  <planetmaker> hehe. I like that scheme. And you pass, if your score is > 0 or so :)
12:45:08  <planetmaker> but it's psychologically not so nice :D
12:45:27  <peter1139> anyone familiar with the vpn client on os x?
12:45:29  <peter1139> racoon
12:46:16  <V453000> yeah :D we had to get like 80%+
12:46:22  <V453000> the teacher was seriously brutal
12:48:19  <Eddi|zuHause> usual grading systems are ">50% = barely passed" ">90% = excellent"
12:48:59  <Eddi|zuHause> with slight modifications
12:49:19  <V453000> well this was more of a binary grading system for most of us :D passed or not ... though there was some grading but within the 20%, you didnt really care
12:50:52  <planetmaker> well, the 50% makes only sense, if you do not use multiple choice :)
12:51:40  <Eddi|zuHause> what i never understood is, when we switched from the eastern (1-5) to the western (1-6) grading system, they basically split "fail" into two categories
12:51:59  <V453000> :d
12:52:25  <Eddi|zuHause> like you can "fail, but maybe there is hope" and "fail, and all hope is lost"
12:52:29  <planetmaker> well :) 5 is you failed. And 6 is you failed so hard, it's hopeless :P (or if you committed fraud)
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12:56:59  <Eddi|zuHause> there was a chemistry test, where a pupil dropped a sheet of paper to the ground, the teacher picked it up, and read outloud: "Spickzettel"... :p
12:57:35  <planetmaker> tehehe :)
12:57:56  <Eddi|zuHause> when he gave back the graded test he said something like: "i'm fairly convinced you couldn't use this cheat sheet, so i give you the 5 instead of a 6" :p
12:59:34  <Eddi|zuHause> there were also other teachers of the opinion "well when you went through the trouble of making a cheat sheet, then you probably don't need it anymore"
13:00:42  <Eddi|zuHause> and in some university tests, it was actually allowed to have "one A4 paper, handwritten"
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14:29:21  <dihedral> oi
14:31:12  <planetmaker> o
14:31:16  <planetmaker> i
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14:49:12  <Pikka> e
14:49:21  <Pikka> ?
14:49:52  <V453000> y
14:49:52  <V453000> .
14:52:21  <Pikka> k
14:52:23  <Pikka> !
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15:27:05  <Eddi|zuHause> "We might as well be reporting that slithy toves gyre and gimble in the wabe." <-- can someone translate this for me?
15:27:20  <Eddi|zuHause> (from
15:30:17  <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: Serious question?
15:31:13  <Eddi|zuHause> Pinkbeast: not entirely serious
15:31:35  <Pinkbeast> Well, let me know if you want me to answer it. ;-)
15:31:51  <Eddi|zuHause> Pinkbeast: but it sounds like something that could either be an old and antiquated expression, or completely made up gubbledigoo
15:32:23  <Pinkbeast> It's from Lewis Carroll's _Jabberwocky_, a nonsense poem that includes a number of made-up words that sort of make sense in context.
15:33:08  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i ever actually heard/read that poem. only people referencing it
15:33:08  <Pinkbeast> ... at least one of which ("chortle") has become a perfectly normal English word
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15:35:08  <rubidium> add portmanteau to that list
15:35:24  <Eddi|zuHause> it's a perfect example of what i tried to say earlier: if you make a parody of something that is so well-known in one culture, that parody may be completely lost in other cultures where it's not well known
15:35:32  * Pinkbeast looks up which words were new. "Burble" is now fairly normal; "galumph" slightly whimsical, "vorpal" in gaming at least...
15:36:18  <Pinkbeast> Errr although Carroll came up with the use of "portmanteau" as in "portmaneau word" the word itself is older
15:38:18  <rubidium> but portmanteau wasn't used in English before (according to wikipedia)
15:38:55  <Pinkbeast> rubidium: Even WP says "In then-contemporary English, a portmanteau was a suitcase that opened into two equal sections."
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15:39:16  <andythenorth> "Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!"
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15:40:05  <Pinkbeast> OED has 1553   in J. B. Paul Accts. Treasurer Scotl. (1913) X. 197,   vj quarteris bukrum to be ane portemantew to my lorde governour.
15:41:33  <Eddi|zuHause> we have an expression for people that act like andy: "Ruhe auf den billigen PlÀtzen!"
15:42:12  * Pinkbeast knows Ruhe from Coppelius's "Ruhe, bitte" signs but pray translate? :-)
15:42:16  <Eddi|zuHause> (which translates to: "quiet on the cheap seats)
15:42:24  <Pinkbeast> "Quiet at the back, there!"
15:42:35  <Eddi|zuHause> something like that
15:42:42  * planetmaker is unsure how that applies though :)
15:43:16  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it's generally thrown at people who jump into conversations they were not part of
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17:18:52  <Pikka> oh never shall I forget the cry or the shriek that shriek-ed he
17:19:22  <Pikka> as I gnashed my teeth when from its sheath I drew my snickersnee
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17:52:10  <andythenorth> bonsoir Pikka chops
17:52:22  <Pikka> oui oui
17:52:34  <andythenorth> where is game at?
17:52:55  <Pikka> there isn't any
17:53:03  <andythenorth> sad face
17:53:05  <Pikka> or not many, at least!
17:53:13  <andythenorth> where is truck set at?
17:53:26  <Pikka> there's a truck set?
17:57:10  <andythenorth> not yet :P
17:57:21  <andythenorth> can I start a new set if the others aren't funished?
17:58:10  <Pikka> ummm
17:58:11  <Pikka> maybe
17:58:22  <Pikka> we'll need the server updating to the latest nightly or such?
17:58:31  <andythenorth> probably
17:58:39  <andythenorth> also I have to cycle home in the rain first
17:58:42  <andythenorth> unless you can do that
17:58:58  <andythenorth> planetmaker: MP game? o-O
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18:06:40  <andythenorth> what are we playing?
18:06:53  <andythenorth> NCG? SV?
18:07:00  <andythenorth> scrabble?
18:09:01  <Pikka> I've got a nocargoal savegame
18:09:12  <Pikka> but if you'd rather make one
18:09:23  <planetmaker> I can try to update .pro server. But I'll have to leave in an hour
18:10:13  <andythenorth> Pikka: let's play yours
18:10:16  <andythenorth> is it evil?
18:10:28  <andythenorth> we need an update because pikka is crashy?
18:10:43  <Pikka> I don't know if it's evil
18:10:50  <Pikka> yes we do
18:12:29  <Pikka> it's FIRS so it's probably evil
18:18:55  <Pikka> y'know, when we actually start playing with trains with running costs, it's going to be a shock. ;)  Might have to up the game length by a year or two.
18:19:11  <Pikka> or does IH 3 have running costs now?
18:22:56  <andythenorth> not so much
18:23:09  <Pikka> ah
18:23:19  <Pikka> well, I think we're about ready to go with the server
18:23:24  <andythenorth> awesome
18:23:28  <andythenorth> I have to go face the rain in a bit
18:23:33  <Pikka> alright
18:23:40  <Pikka> I'm going to go transport some JAVA
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19:16:12  <frosch123> @topic set Party!
19:16:12  *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: Party!
19:16:42  <planetmaker> :D
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19:18:45  <frosch123> actually you posted 12 mintues too early :p
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19:20:24  <planetmaker> I can change the time :P
19:23:51  <andythenorth> Pikka: we playing? o_O
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19:23:58  <andythenorth> I have to talk to a man in Brisbane in a bit
19:24:03  <andythenorth> Alberth: MP game?
19:24:43  <Alberth> oh, hi :)
19:24:53  <Alberth> euhm sure
19:27:20  <andythenorth> pro
19:27:21  <Alberth> "GoneWacko: Press ALT+ENTER for fullscreen mode. If you want different resolutions, just modify the source code. "  /me likes that spirit, who needs configuration files :p
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19:29:18  <Wolf01> hello
19:29:21  <Wolf01> uhm, what?
19:29:56  <frosch123> ciao Wolf01
19:30:26  <andythenorth> frosch123: game on?
19:30:38  <frosch123> i'll join when you get started
19:31:05  <frosch123> i need to prepare coffee and such
19:31:10  <frosch123> and finish the forums
19:31:22  <frosch123> i heard there is an awesome post on the forums today
19:32:42  <andythenorth> linky?
19:34:06  <frosch123> it's not that hard to find :p
19:34:30  <frosch123> it's even linked from the front page
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19:59:57  <Alberth> hi hi W
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21:19:47  <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26393 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2014-03-06 21:19:41 UTC)
21:19:48  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Update distances between link graph nodes when station sign is moved
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21:34:16  <Aristide> ^^
21:44:48  <NGC3982> Evening.
21:46:50  <__ln__> well observed
21:46:57  <NGC3982> W*
21:47:21  <Aristide> NGC3982: o/
21:47:22  <Aristide> __ln__: \o
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22:29:03  <ophjhj> free pc game
22:29:38  <planetmaker> @kban ophjhj
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22:34:52  <NGC3982> Aristide: :-)
22:35:00  <Aristide> :)
22:35:08  <Aristide> Can I share my music here ? ^^
22:36:14  <planetmaker> yes. once ;)
22:36:48  <Aristide>  ^^
22:37:13  <Aristide> Sorry, i'm too lazy for go to soundcloud x)
22:37:19  <Aristide> Upload on my freebox is simplest for me
22:37:29  <planetmaker> ...
22:38:13  <Aristide> planetmaker: x)
22:38:49  <planetmaker> @help kban
22:38:49  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: (kban [<channel>] [--{exact,nick,user,host}] <nick> [<seconds>] [<reason>]) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will kickban <nick> for as many seconds as you specify, or else (if you specify 0 seconds or don't specify a number of seconds) it will ban the person indefinitely. --exact bans only the exact hostmask; --nick bans just the nick; --user bans just the user, and --host bans (1 more message)
22:39:17  <planetmaker>  @kban Aristide  86400 once means you post link and are banned
22:39:30  <Aristide> lol
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22:44:00  <__ln__> 'once' is eleven in spanish
22:45:05  <NGC3982> Yes, and we have to respect culture.
22:45:21  <NGC3982> Wait
22:45:23  <NGC3982> Where am i
22:46:22  * Eddi|zuHause points at the sky: *about that direction*
22:46:31  <planetmaker> unless you have permission to distribute that file, do not ever do that again, Aristide. Next time I will not add a leading " " to that line
22:47:29  <Aristide> planetmaker: Do you speak about autorisation from author ? Or autorisation for distribute this file here ?
22:49:15  <planetmaker> you obviously need the first. And the latter is limited by the topic of the channel. somewhat
22:49:37  <Aristide> Ok, sorry if this share is out of rules for channel
22:49:44  <Aristide> But i'm the author of this music :)
22:49:52  <planetmaker> ok
22:49:53  <NGC3982> The music of life?
22:50:05  <NGC3982> I thought that was copyrighted by Terry Gilliam.
22:50:15  <frosch123> @op
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22:50:34  <frosch123> @deop
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22:50:41  <planetmaker> no party :(
22:50:46  <frosch123> party is over :p
22:51:13  <NGC3982> As usual, nobody understands my MÃŒnchausen tropes.
22:51:17  <Eddi|zuHause> "A fisherman from Kiel pulled a message in a bottle out of the ocean dated 17th may 1913. if this date is confirmed, it would break the record of the oldest known message found, currently a message from 10th june 1914"
22:51:18  <Aristide> NGC3982: I have create this music ^^This music is a remake from other music from me :)
22:51:41  <NGC3982> Aristide: Yes, i noticed.
22:52:07  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Jeez. Should be easily dated, i guess.
22:52:11  <Aristide> Sorry again if this share is out of rules
22:52:27  <frosch123> night
22:52:28  <__ln__> how did he know the date of the ocean
22:52:29  <Aristide> (For information I never share © music from other author than me)
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22:52:49  <NGC3982> Is 1910-1915 too new for Carbon dating?
22:53:13  <planetmaker> yes
22:53:21  <NGC3982> Damn nukes.
22:53:41  <NGC3982> I guess there are better ways of dating something that "new".
22:53:45  <NGC3982> Like ..asking people.
22:53:54  <Eddi|zuHause> carbon dating is generally impossible for anything after 1945
22:53:58  <Xaroth|Work> depends on the object
22:54:06  <Xaroth|Work> and also how long you measure
22:54:32  <Xaroth|Work> if you measure benzene for.. what was it.. 4 hours, you'd still have an error margin of 80-100 years
22:54:37  <planetmaker> NGC3982, not so much the nukes but the half-life time is 5700-odd years. so 50 years accuracy is... difficult, 100 years isn't exaclty easy either
22:54:41  <NGC3982> Xaroth|Work: Oh my.
22:54:50  <NGC3982> PM: I see.
22:54:59  <Xaroth|Work> so yeh, you really want to do carbon dating on -old- stuff :P
22:55:02  * NGC3982 puts a lump of barium in __ln__.
22:55:10  <Xaroth|Work> like, hundreds of years at least
22:55:13  <Eddi|zuHause> paper can be dated in other ways, like materials used for production
22:55:26  <Xaroth|Work> else your error margin will be too extreme for it to be reliable
22:55:38  <Eddi|zuHause> this was used to find out the "hitler diaries" were a fake, because the whitener used was only introduced in the 1950s
22:56:07  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: I read that in a book literaly five hours ago.
22:56:12  <planetmaker> Xaroth_, nah, carbon dating really is for new stuff :)
22:56:20  <NGC3982> Gunnar Wall's "Heist of the century".
22:56:30  <planetmaker> for old stuff you want lead-lead or K-Ar :)
22:56:43  <Xaroth|Work> depends on your definition of new :P
22:57:13  <Eddi|zuHause> "new" being "since the beginning of civilisation" :p
22:57:21  <planetmaker> :)
22:57:48  <NGC3982> lead-lead and k-ar?
22:57:50  <Eddi|zuHause> so 1000-10000 years
22:59:13  <Eddi|zuHause> for things younger than 1000 years you have to figure out other ways. for example you can figure out the year that a tree was cut down by the arrangement of the rings. they form a very unique pattern depending how long the summers and how hard the winters were
22:59:37  <Eddi|zuHause> it's a very well researched topic
22:59:55  <planetmaker> yeah. But you need good sampling from that region for the dendro-chronology method
23:00:22  <Eddi|zuHause> but that won't help you with a piece of cardboard :p
23:00:30  <planetmaker> NGC3982, other isotopic ratios to consider for radiometric dating
23:00:46  <planetmaker> Pb-Pb sometimes also called U-Pb. Depends on what to exactly look at
23:02:42  <Eddi|zuHause> <NGC3982> Gunnar Wall's "Heist of the century". <-- well at least in germany, it's a fairly well known topic. there are occasionally documentaries on TV and stuff.
23:03:56  <NGC3982> Oh. It's still a measurement of decay?
23:04:19  <planetmaker> yes. There's several systems. Depending on material and time span to look at
23:07:03  <Xaroth|Work> ooh, COSMOS airs this weekend :o
23:07:32  <NGC3982> Already?
23:07:36  <NGC3982> I have high hopes.
23:07:40  <Xaroth|Work> same
23:07:43  * NGC3982 met Tyson once.
23:07:49  <NGC3982> I was like a four year old.
23:07:51  <NGC3982> :e
23:07:58  <Xaroth|Work> I would probably be the same :P
23:08:36  <NGC3982> I did mot meet Sagan, though
23:08:41  <NGC3982> I wish i could
23:08:42  <NGC3982> :/
23:08:44  <Xaroth|Work> I met neither :|
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23:21:09  <Eddi|zuHause> who? what?
23:24:26  <Xaroth|Work> << the trailer
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23:46:00  <Wolf01> 'night
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