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00:34:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CADD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 00:40:12 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:46:23 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:42 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:00 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA885.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:09 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA885.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 02:20:52 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@13.334.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:22:14 <Dan9550> afternoon 02:42:28 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:57:30 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:03:56 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:41:47 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66E1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:00:38 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:03:05 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 05:10:08 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36:11 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 05:41:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A354.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:47:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CADD.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:51:49 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10:20 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@254-058-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:33 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@00017153.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:20:31 <planetmaker> moin 06:22:49 <V453000> moo 06:25:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A354.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:25:30 <planetmaker> miau ;) 06:34:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 06:45:40 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:01:46 <supermop> i have used more spackle/wall patch this afternoon than my dad and myself have used in our combined lifetimes to date 07:01:59 <supermop> and i am not even done with the first coat 07:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS_zQw61PQE 07:43:27 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:52:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A354.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:57:24 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 08:32:58 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 08:44:47 <maddy_> hi 08:45:34 <V453000> hy 08:55:03 <maddy_> I have been playing in SP game for the last few days, not been very active on "coop", I am trying to learn some stuff by myself 09:02:00 <V453000> cant say that is a bad thing 09:03:04 <maddy_> so you're glad I haven't messed up the coop network too badly? :) 09:12:36 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:25 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:14 <planetmaker> that neither :) 09:37:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i totally read that as "if you don't play, you can't screw anything up" 09:47:16 *** fjb is now known as Guest5698 09:47:18 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:15 <V453000> :d 09:50:16 <V453000> no. 09:54:45 *** Guest5698 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:59:18 <peter1138> Morning. 10:14:50 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 10:18:49 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 10:38:58 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:45:19 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 11:04:01 <peter1138> Hah, copy & pasting from a PDF... it copies each letter as a new line :S 11:04:29 <peter1138> "Select the database system corresponding to your needs. These options are available:" 11:04:33 <peter1138> "MySQL 5" 11:04:43 <peter1138> "... a commercial license may be needed for use in a commercial environment." 11:04:48 <peter1138> Uh huh... 11:05:27 <peter1138> Failure to understand GPL there :) 11:06:55 <LordAro> lol, GPL# 11:28:30 <planetmaker> nah, method. they hope you don't so that they can sell it to you for big $$$ 11:35:30 <peter1138> Different vendor. 11:36:11 <peter1138> You can license MySQL from Oracle differently if you needed it, but that is not needed just to use it in a commercial situation. 11:36:41 <__ln__> but they said "may be needed" 11:46:13 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:27 <peter1138> Sure... scaring people :p 11:52:49 <Pinkbeast> I think it's malice not incompetence, and I did spend 10 years working at the Great Satan of Databases 11:56:44 <maddy_> it's not that bad really 11:58:51 <maddy_> as long as the statement is true, that a commercial license is needed in -some- cases 12:03:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A354.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:03:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A354.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:06:22 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:07:16 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:25 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:55 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:21:40 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:53 <planetmaker> maddy_, if the programme is licensed GPL, then in *no* case a commercial license is needed 12:33:39 <Wolf01> hi hi 12:34:03 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.58.54.248] has joined #openttd 12:45:40 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@13.334.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:04 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 12:54:46 <talebowl> Hi, yesterday I had a problem where, after compiling, my changes wouldn't show up (and for info, version number in the titlebar was 1.4.0-RC1 and not a rev#). After I ran make (or ./configure and make) again, they did show up. Atm, I have the same problem, only now running any combination of ./configure, make clean, and make any number of times doesn't seem to solve it. Even tried to make some dummy changes to trigger make in cases w 12:54:46 <talebowl> here I didn't run clean before. My changes keep not showing up (only difference in the code between now and when did show up last night is a call to the DEBUG macro wrapped in an if) and versionnumber in the titlebar keeps being 1.4.0-RC1. Does anyone have any ideas what might be causing this? (I have verified that I'm running the correct executable. My working dir is ~/OpenTTD/trunk/, I'm running ~/OpenTTD/trunk/bin/openttd with or 12:54:47 <talebowl> without -d 1) 13:01:08 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:24 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-172-236.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 13:13:20 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:14:24 <planetmaker> talebowl, how did you obtain your source? what vcs do you use? 13:15:17 <talebowl> the subversion repository. svn --version is "svn, version 1.7.9 (r1462340) compiled Oct 15 2013, 12:40:34" 13:15:31 <planetmaker> ok 13:16:11 <planetmaker> while I would recommend you for real development work to use mercurial or git instead of subversion, it doesn't matter a lot 13:16:18 <planetmaker> what does svn info tell you in that repo? 13:17:08 <talebowl> svn info: http://pastebin.com/aqe1i3hA 13:18:04 <planetmaker> ehm... then I can only assume that you started the wrong openttd binary 13:19:18 <talebowl> I can see how that would be the logical conclusion :) Just to be sure, It should be:[repo]/bin/openttd right? 13:19:30 <planetmaker> yes 13:20:20 <planetmaker> if that repo was a svn trunk checkout, you can never get a binary with a release version 13:20:22 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:32 <planetmaker> releases have different svn URL 13:21:55 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:05 <talebowl> weird.. I'll check if I can get the file modification time of the binary I'm using... As I've verified that I'm in the correct path: "~/OpenTTD/trunk/bin$ openttd -d 1" 13:22:23 <planetmaker> ehm... 13:22:27 <Taede> try "./openttd -d1" 13:22:40 <planetmaker> yeah. ./bin/openttd -d1 13:22:50 <Taede> so it runs from the current working dir 13:23:07 <planetmaker> talebowl, if you don't specify explicitly local path, the global binary is called 13:23:25 <planetmaker> openttd uses installed openttd from package manager 13:23:33 <planetmaker> ./openttd uses binary in local dir 13:23:47 <planetmaker> local dir is never in path 13:24:05 <planetmaker> (unless you set that yourself - but that's not advisable) 13:24:06 <talebowl> Oh my... how did I not see that :p 13:24:30 <talebowl> Thanks :) 13:24:40 <planetmaker> welcome 13:25:50 <planetmaker> talebowl, anyhow, when you're into patching, use of mercurial or git will make your life much easier than using subversion 13:26:38 <planetmaker> I'd recommend mercurial but opinions may vary 13:28:56 <mg_> hi :) question. i have some fishing ships set up, they go around collecting fish and dropping them at the harbour. it's year 1856 so i now have 3 horse carriages, every one transprots only 8t of food to a nearby city. and those ships bring in hundreds of tonnes. until there are trucks available, most of the fish will just lay around in the harbour. does it affect fish somehow? i mean, is there some time (days etc) after which those f 13:29:52 <talebowl> on git/hg: Hmm, I'll look into that after I'm done with this. 13:30:52 <planetmaker> mg_, the fish will rot. And decay 13:33:40 <mg_> so the ones which are not fresh will disappear after some time? 13:35:05 <planetmaker> read up on station rating in wiki. Or game concepts :) That explains it 13:35:21 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics 13:35:31 <mg_> okay, i will thx :) 13:35:58 <planetmaker> if rating < 50% stuff will start to vanish 13:39:30 <Pinkbeast> mg_: But there's no special degradation mechanic for what one would normally think of as perishables. 13:39:51 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:15 <planetmaker> yeah. Farm supplies vanish at the same rate ;) 13:54:46 <mg_> yeah i know thats the case when you don't keep up rating %. just was wondering if its the same with fish :) 14:03:28 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has joined #openttd 14:10:39 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 14:14:37 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:25 <planetmaker> every cargo is the same :) 14:26:58 <planetmaker> it's just names. And prices which differ. And destinations. And vehicles which can transport it. And passenger class vs. other classes 14:30:14 <mg_> ok, got it 14:38:15 *** zydeco [~zydeco@77.231.195.183] has joined #openttd 14:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause> all cargos are the same, except they are different 14:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds a bit cargoist 14:49:29 <Pikka> some cargos are more the same than others 14:52:24 <zydeco> except passengers 14:52:57 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@82.17.133.162] has joined #openttd 15:01:50 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 15:33:42 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:15 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 15:49:37 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@82.17.133.162] has left #openttd [] 16:06:21 *** strohalm [~smoofi@cpe-0018f841fb5c.ip-pool.rftonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:34 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@82.17.133.162] has joined #openttd 16:24:33 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:02 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@82.17.133.162] has left #openttd [] 16:46:40 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:09 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:55:15 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 16:55:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:57:06 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:22:48 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3432.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:39 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:58:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:09 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:09 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 18:06:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00b776.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:18 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@82.17.133.162] has joined #openttd 18:32:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:24 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-192-191.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:37:05 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 18:40:38 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:46:10 <andythenorth> o/ 18:46:18 <andythenorth> Pikka lo 18:47:47 <Pikka> hello anandy! 18:50:20 <Pikka> wie geht's? 18:50:28 <andythenorth> Horsing 18:50:38 * andythenorth wonders what to horse next? 18:50:46 <Pikka> such hoss 18:50:47 <andythenorth> I suppose fixing the broken 18:50:51 <Pikka> what have you horsed so far? 18:50:58 <andythenorth> hrm 18:51:13 <andythenorth> I have horsed engine and wagon speeds 18:51:18 <andythenorth> and capacities 18:51:22 <andythenorth> more of some and less of others 18:51:34 <andythenorth> I have to horse offsets some time :( 18:51:36 <Pikka> running costs. or sprite offsets, yes 18:51:37 <andythenorth> avoiding that :P 18:51:49 <andythenorth> oh, you looked in my issue tracker :( 18:52:21 <Pikka> make newstandardtemplate.png 18:52:41 <Pikka> farm out fixing all the sprite positions to the plebs on the forum? 18:52:54 <andythenorth> newstandardtemplate_final_final_new.png 18:53:00 <andythenorth> sprite positions is ok 18:53:05 <andythenorth> priblem is 18:53:10 <andythenorth> I fixed all the offsets 18:53:14 <andythenorth> then did this 10/8 thing 18:53:28 <andythenorth> now broken is 18:53:30 <Pikka> what 10/8 thing 18:53:49 <Pikka> just the one 10/8 thing, or many 10/8 things? 18:53:52 <andythenorth> each vehicle is 3 articulated vehicles 18:53:59 <andythenorth> graphicses are on middle unit 18:54:07 <andythenorth> Dan is persuasive :P 18:54:10 <andythenorth> as is Eddi 18:54:18 <Pikka> you made everything 10/8? 18:54:24 <andythenorth> no, but 18:54:29 <andythenorth> everything is 3 things 18:54:37 <andythenorth> fun times 18:55:01 <Pikka> even the <=8/8 things are 3 things? 18:55:04 <andythenorth> yup 18:55:09 <Pikka> por qua 18:55:14 <andythenorth> because stuff 18:55:19 <andythenorth> easier to write one lot of code once 18:55:48 <Pikka> mmkay 18:55:55 <Pikka> so 18:56:11 <Pikka> no reversible locos? no MUs? 18:56:17 <andythenorth> none of that 18:56:21 <andythenorth> indeed 18:56:54 <andythenorth> is good decisions? 18:56:56 <andythenorth> dunno 18:57:20 <Pikka> sounds a bit like bad feetures to me 18:57:28 <andythenorth> BAD FEATURE 18:58:48 <andythenorth> I can always do a v2 :P 18:59:05 <andythenorth> otoh, it means no HST :D 18:59:10 <andythenorth> and no Eurostar 18:59:13 <andythenorth> so there are upsides 18:59:13 <frosch123> i know two letters of your next grfid 18:59:23 <andythenorth> :P 18:59:24 <planetmaker> why is it a bad feature? :) 19:00:20 <Pikka> how am I going to run my 3-tile coal trains with no eurostar? 19:00:28 <andythenorth> well it required a total rewrite of 50% of the code, to add just a couple of 10/8 or 9/8 vehicles, and excludes some things like MU and vehicle flipping 19:00:48 <andythenorth> on the other hand, it provided a perfect instant framework for Road Vehicles, with about 20 mins of changes 19:01:00 <andythenorth> due to way it handles everything as articulated consists 19:01:07 <andythenorth> so losses and wins 19:01:22 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@82.17.133.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:28 <andythenorth> âframeworkâ urgh 19:02:00 <planetmaker> you should use the new grf wizard ;) 19:02:04 <andythenorth> Pikka: you put one big electric engine on the front, and one on the back, you are ok 19:02:15 <Pikka> or I just wait for maglev 19:02:17 <andythenorth> planetmaker: is it xml? 19:02:21 <Pikka> there are maglevs, right? 19:02:23 <andythenorth> Pikka: what is âmaglevâ? 19:02:35 <andythenorth> maglev is thing in tracking table 19:02:37 <andythenorth> not in game 19:02:40 <frosch123> maybe try making a frameleisure instead of a framework 19:02:49 <planetmaker> haha :) 19:02:59 <andythenorth> frameslack 19:03:34 <Pikka> framecruise 19:03:55 <andythenorth> framesnooze 19:04:07 <andythenorth> hmm framelunch 19:04:10 * andythenorth is hungry 19:04:39 <andythenorth> this boring disk erase is boring 19:05:10 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 19:05:34 <Pikka> hence the adjective 19:05:42 <andythenorth> all these zeros 19:05:48 <andythenorth> why canât it write all the 0s at once? 19:05:58 <andythenorth> itâs actually going to every bit and setting zero :P 19:06:17 <Pikka> how else could it do it? 19:06:25 <andythenorth> remember etcha-sketch, how you could wipe the whole thing in one pass? 19:06:26 <andythenorth> that 19:06:37 <Pikka> mmm 19:07:22 <Pikka> you should patent that, could be a revolution in hard-drive wiping 19:07:37 <andythenorth> I wondered 19:07:41 <andythenorth> usually we just drill them 19:07:46 <andythenorth> but I donât like the waste :P 19:07:52 <Pikka> oh 19:07:54 <andythenorth> Iâd like to reuse this one 19:08:00 <Pikka> I was going to say, if you're not reusing it then 19:08:03 <Pikka> but if you are then 19:08:25 <andythenorth> after drilling, theyâre not as usable, generally 19:08:31 <Pikka> true 19:08:54 <Pikka> also some kind of pun around "boring disk erase" 19:09:12 <andythenorth> :P 19:09:46 <andythenorth> is anyone drawing the trucks I need? 19:10:01 <Pikka> the trucks you want, or the trucks you need? 19:10:09 <Pikka> or the trucks you deserve? 19:10:13 <andythenorth> there is difference? 19:10:20 <andythenorth> I treat all 3 as synonyms 19:11:02 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 19:11:49 <Pikka> probably not, then 19:12:13 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@tuomi.oulu.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:34 <andythenorth> is anyone drawing any trucks, anywhere? 19:13:50 <Pikka> someone, somewhere. 19:13:56 <andythenorth> maybe I just teach code to draw them 19:14:10 <Pikka> yes 19:15:50 <andythenorth> Pikka: have you made a squirrel army yet? 19:16:04 <Pikka> I have not 19:16:12 <andythenorth> how hard can GS be? 19:16:16 <andythenorth> too hard for andythenorth ? 19:16:25 <Pikka> not at all 19:16:25 * andythenorth is not very clever 19:16:41 <Pikka> I just haven't gotten around to the gs yet :o 19:17:29 <andythenorth> we need more of them 19:17:33 <andythenorth> 2 is not enough 19:17:37 <andythenorth> I should make one 19:17:47 * andythenorth wonders if Eddi|zuHause could write a GS code generator :P 19:21:37 <andythenorth> Pikka: type info (âSuitable forâ etc in NARS 2)⊠BAD FEATURE? 19:22:03 <Pikka> yep 19:22:26 <andythenorth> all of it? 19:22:32 <Pikka> yep 19:22:37 <andythenorth> hmm 19:22:50 <andythenorth> itâs ok in FISH 19:22:57 <Pikka> partly because I didn't want to bother with translations, though ;) 19:23:01 <andythenorth> I have it in place for IH, with dummy text 19:23:14 <andythenorth> I started writing real text, but I have nothing to write :P 19:23:22 <andythenorth> Type: electric locomotive 19:23:23 <andythenorth> :P 19:23:28 <andythenorth> useless 19:24:00 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:24:10 <Pikka> Type: a bit better than that one loco in one way, but not as much as the other one, but maybe you could have worked this out for yourself by looking at the stats 19:24:36 <andythenorth> I could try and impose my opinions on players 19:24:41 <andythenorth> âOnly for use on freight" 19:25:05 <andythenorth> âUse this for moderately fast suburban services with at least 3 stations, but no gradients more than 2 tiles long" 19:25:17 <planetmaker> but not in winter 19:25:19 <planetmaker> ;) 19:25:24 <Pikka> HEP 19:25:29 <Pikka> another brilliant NARS2 feeture 19:25:33 <andythenorth> âOnly use this if you are modelling the GWR between 1945 and 1948" 19:25:38 <andythenorth> hmm 19:25:44 <Pikka> this loco doesn't have a train heating boiler, no passenger carriages 19:25:51 <andythenorth> I would actually file HEP under NOT GOOD FEATURE 19:26:05 <andythenorth> took me fricking ages to work out why me engines were crippled :P 19:26:18 <andythenorth> silly Pikka 19:26:26 <Pikka> tres :) 19:26:36 <andythenorth> we do it because we can 19:26:39 <andythenorth> not because itâs wise 19:27:33 <andythenorth> also, just finished reading this, itâs good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_of_Doom 19:28:14 <andythenorth> âDesign is Lawâ 19:28:17 <andythenorth> except itâs not 19:28:21 <andythenorth> technology is 19:37:02 <andythenorth> where is lightning in ottd? http://www.railpictures.net/photo/476696/ 19:37:50 <rubidium> it's always clear and sunny in OpenTTD 19:38:52 <Taede> rainshowers dont last long enough to show up 19:39:29 <planetmaker> well, a day is 2.2 seconds and I definitely have seen a week of (nearly) continuous rain in RL :P 19:39:52 <planetmaker> annoying would be day-night-cycle 19:40:05 <planetmaker> like switching between OpenGFX and NightGFX by the second :P 19:40:24 <andythenorth> should rain for a year 19:40:46 <planetmaker> time is an abstract concept anyway. It's just another dimension 19:40:54 <rubidium> I just assume the OpenTTD planet surface is tidally locked to its star 19:41:15 <planetmaker> what an inhabitable place :) 19:41:30 <planetmaker> or what a dense atmosphere 19:41:32 <Taede> at least its nice n flat 19:41:33 <planetmaker> can't decide :) 19:41:33 <Taede> and square 19:41:34 <glx> the wind is weird too IIRC 19:41:40 <Taede> none of this spherical roundness 19:41:53 <planetmaker> it's an effect of the tidal locking. Strong winds :) 19:42:07 <planetmaker> Taede, maybe it's an old, abandoned borg cube? 19:42:17 <rubidium> yeah, clear and sunny, and tidally locked don't really combine 19:42:29 <rubidium> unless there is no atmosphere at all 19:42:39 <planetmaker> oh, there could be a dense atmosphere 19:43:02 <rubidium> that explains the poor acceleration then ;) 19:43:09 <planetmaker> that could distribute by strong winds the heat input more or less evenly. Like on Venus. Not sure it needs clouds - though they add to it 19:44:17 <planetmaker> maybe it's all under a dome anyway - then those considerations don't play much of a role 19:44:23 <planetmaker> could also explain eratic wind directions 19:44:37 <planetmaker> it also explains the map edges 19:45:12 <Taede> or its indoor, with artificial lighting 19:46:00 <planetmaker> I like the idea of a habitat on the sunny surface of a tidally locked body around a dwarf star better :P 19:48:20 <peter1138> Pom te pom 19:48:46 <andythenorth> did anyone solve Ocean? 19:49:03 * andythenorth didn't 20:00:41 <Pikka> who's Ocean? 20:00:41 *** LSky` [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:01:04 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:01:34 <planetmaker> 11, 12 or 13 ;) 20:02:43 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-4d00b776.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A354.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03:21 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:43 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 20:04:27 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:43 *** LSky` [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:05:48 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 20:06:07 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: Flygon, JGR, gelignite, TrueBrain, Markk, frosch123, APTX_, talebowl, LSky, pthagnar, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:06:07 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 20:06:07 *** Markk_ [mark@h30n15-nt-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:06:15 *** Netsplit over, joins: blathijs 20:06:15 *** Markk_ is now known as Markk 20:06:25 *** Netsplit over, joins: JGR 20:06:36 <frosch> ah, so it wasn't just me 20:12:17 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@tuomi.oulu.fi] has joined #openttd 20:16:37 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:46 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3432.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:17:01 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 20:22:39 <peter1138> Er 20:27:22 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 20:29:09 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3432.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 20:32:13 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-192-191.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:27 <peter1138> Hmm 20:39:03 <planetmaker> is it actually only me who find the distinctions between orders and timetable view unnecessary? 20:39:53 <frosch> i guess it is a try to make it less complex :p 20:40:03 <frosch> count the buttons on both windows, then add them :p 20:40:38 <planetmaker> yeah. But it makes it more complex to really setup orders properly. Speed limits only in time table. order types only in other view... 20:40:51 <frosch> we need clickable text to incorporate light dropdown widgets into text 20:40:59 <peter1138> I hardly ever look at timetables. 20:41:02 <frosch> or a complete icon driven order gui with suborder :p 20:41:06 <planetmaker> they complement eachother. But not necessarily in a way which is logical. I doubt it can be logical 20:41:54 <planetmaker> yeah something like that, or both. 20:42:00 <planetmaker> icons + text drop-down. dunno 20:42:02 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:42:05 <planetmaker> hmm... :) 20:42:45 <SpComb> who designed this Finnish train set thing 20:42:52 <SpComb> the DMUs seem to be so very crap 20:43:13 <planetmaker> doesn't the readme say? 20:43:22 <planetmaker> or grf description even? 20:43:58 <Pikka> being crap is the nature of DMUs... 20:45:47 <andythenorth> mine are SUPER BAD! 20:45:53 <andythenorth> they go 75mph and everything 20:46:16 <planetmaker> what an odd number 20:46:44 <andythenorth> how are timetables supposed to be used? 20:47:12 <andythenorth> I do use them, but only to set waiting time for pax trains, and only because thereâs no minimum load % order 20:47:31 <andythenorth> I donât understand all the buttons 20:50:04 <frosch> just click them 20:50:14 <frosch> i am sure that's what they are for 20:50:35 <andythenorth> Every wagon in Iron Horse is auto-refittable 20:50:46 <andythenorth> so is it worth putting âOffers auto-refitâ in the buy menu? 20:50:57 <Pikka> nope 20:51:10 <Pikka> down with extra text in the buy menu! 20:51:20 <andythenorth> remove the cb? 20:51:32 <Pikka> mebe 20:52:19 <frosch> put a individual haiku in the description of every vehicle 20:52:20 <SpComb> but it's like a 111km/h DMU that instantly goes to 20km/h as soon as it hits a single hill at full speed 20:52:59 <Pikka> that's string-power for you 20:53:19 <peter1138> non-"realistic" acceleration? :p 20:53:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:10 *** strohalm [~smoofi@80.84.209.151] has joined #openttd 21:00:03 <frosch> night 21:00:10 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-4d00b776.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:14:28 * andythenorth kills all the âtype:â crap 21:14:34 <andythenorth> simpler buy menu 21:16:24 <LordAro> interesting 21:16:47 <LordAro> according to my facebook feed, zephyris got married 21:17:46 <andythenorth> people do 21:22:36 <LordAro> weird 21:26:25 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:36:06 <Wolf01> 'night 21:36:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:41:02 <andythenorth> bed for me 21:41:03 <andythenorth> bye 21:41:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:42:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:40 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 21:43:13 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 21:45:28 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:02 *** ivan` [~ivan`@000130ca.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:50:41 *** ivan` [~ivan`@000130ca.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:12 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:57:14 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:59:59 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:09 *** strohalm [~smoofi@80.84.209.151] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:12 *** strohalm [~smoofi@80.84.209.151] has joined #openttd 23:02:14 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:56 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 23:10:21 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:28:21 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:31 *** zydeco [~zydeco@77.231.195.183] has quit [Quit: Miscellaneous hardware exception error] 23:33:53 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]