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[~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:01 *** APTX_ [~APTX@87-207-72-117.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 11:15:48 *** APTX [~APTX@87-207-72-117.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:14 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db014b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 11:24:16 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-4db014b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:26 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:21 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki/tech done =D 11:50:45 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:15 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:52:58 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 11:55:40 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 11:58:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.221.177] has joined #openttd 12:20:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:08 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:10 <V453000> andythenorth: http://www.rouming.cz/upload/wut_14.jpg WTF 12:43:01 <andythenorth> oops 12:43:13 <andythenorth> that can be very bad news 12:43:22 <andythenorth> tyre explosions kill people fairly frequently 12:47:51 <V453000> hm :) 12:49:46 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.157.220.132] has joined #openttd 12:52:11 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:54 <Jinassi> backstory: tyre was rethreaded poorly and steel wire wall collapsed/burst open. They ended up shooting it with a small caliber rifle to deflate it and change it 12:53:38 <Jinassi> its cheaper to rethread these types of tyres in certain countries, then to buy a new one 12:54:13 <V453000> Jinassi knowledge :) 12:54:14 <juzza1> I like that solution - if it's broken, shoot it 12:54:15 <Jinassi> Picture is not from CZ, it's from Africa 12:54:30 <__ln__> there's a difference? 12:54:52 <Jinassi> new tyre is probably cheaper in Europe, than to rethread it 12:55:18 <V453000> LOL 12:55:30 <Jinassi> would you go thee and deflate it by hand up close? 12:55:42 <Jinassi> that thing could kill you if it would pop 12:56:25 <andythenorth> long sharp stick 12:56:34 <andythenorth> definitely not a bad idea in any way 12:57:02 <Jinassi> where would the stick go once there is a sudden increase in pressure on the pointy side? 12:57:13 <Jinassi> right back at you 12:57:46 <andythenorth> nah, pressure flows around the pointy bit 12:57:56 <andythenorth> and you could have a big non-pointy bit on your end 12:58:06 <andythenorth> or place nails on the floor, then drive over them 12:58:20 <andythenorth> or one of those devices the police use to shred car tyres (stinger?) 12:58:22 <Jinassi> that would work 12:58:28 <andythenorth> I think so 12:58:32 <Jinassi> there are plates made especially for that 12:58:37 <Jinassi> with hollow points 12:58:38 <andythenorth> stuff going wrong http://www.miningmayhem.com 12:58:58 <andythenorth> apart from the occasional actual sad death, that site is quite instructive 12:59:22 <Jinassi> look at all those trucks wanting belly rubs lol 13:01:30 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:44 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:08:02 <V453000> omfgPhysics 13:08:36 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:15 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:08 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:51 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:46 <andythenorth> ? 13:18:39 <planetmaker> V453000, beware what you say. They brought you the frigging railroad in the first place :P 13:19:27 *** blathijs [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:29 <V453000> HM. :D 13:20:04 <V453000> new nutz menu :D http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts 13:20:53 <andythenorth> Ë Â° < peter1138 which is correct? :P 13:21:33 <andythenorth> ° this one, right? 13:22:26 <peter1138> ° 13:22:30 <V453000> I cant even tell the difference 13:22:32 <Rubidium> http://www.miningmayhem.com/2013/04/bingham-canyon-copper-mine-highwall.html <- (coal) mine subsidence ;) 13:22:39 <Rubidium> +disaster 13:24:10 *** blathijs [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 13:25:04 <andythenorth> Ë is much smaller than ° in my font 13:25:04 <Jinassi> V453000: Love how far your baby has come 13:25:40 <V453000> aint done yet :D 13:32:34 *** Plaete2 [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:43 *** Plaete2 [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 13:36:27 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:52 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:58 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:52:44 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:40 <Jinassi> GG, this is a good example of an overengineered game. can't even grow a town in vanilla past 30k, but have no issues in citybuilder, throwing everything at it and going past 300k with ease. 13:57:02 *** supermop [~supermop@d210-49-167-99.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:48 <Xaroth|Work> Jinassi: you're always welcome to supply patches to improve it 14:01:21 <andythenorth> overengineered? o_O 14:01:28 <Jinassi> Not that, i am unsuccesful in vanilla. there must be something i am doing wrong 14:02:00 <andythenorth> dunno, so many variables in your sandbox 14:02:11 <andythenorth> town behaviour, map, newgrfs 14:02:27 <Jinassi> not that, s1 is default vanilla behaviour 14:02:44 <andythenorth> citybuilder probably adjusts town growth rate 14:02:56 *** Plaete2 [~moffi@dsdf-4db5fcfc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:34 <Jinassi> true, which makes it blatantly easy to throw more and more to it to make it grow, yet in vanilla it matters how much can you take from it. 14:03:50 <Jinassi> if i'm not mistaken 14:04:35 <andythenorth> afaik, the town growth (in non-desert, non-arctic towns) depends on (1) collecting from 5 stations within defined period (2) the base growth rate of the town (âgrow fasterâ or not) 14:04:37 <andythenorth> dunno 14:04:38 <andythenorth> guessing 14:06:04 <Jinassi> 1st: http://i.imgur.com/wcQ9ZRg.jpg 14:06:25 <Jinassi> 2nd: http://i.imgur.com/Uv8LcLh.jpg 14:06:40 <Jinassi> the % transported one was probably right 14:07:10 <andythenorth> did you fund buildings? 14:07:19 <andythenorth> also you have a lot of space occupied by stations :) 14:07:36 <Jinassi> that could be it, hampers expansion 14:07:42 *** Plaete [~moffi@dsdf-4d0a115c.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:15 <andythenorth> Jinassi: in my last game, without trying I got a 19k town with only one pax station in the town 14:10:25 <Jinassi> bravo 14:10:26 <andythenorth> and only 5 trains servicing it 14:10:33 <Jinassi> so placement is most important 14:10:35 <andythenorth> also some industry pickups nearby 14:10:56 <andythenorth> I was using TaI newgrf, dunno what Pikka has done to town growth in that grf 14:11:02 <andythenorth> but the town grows every 2 days 14:11:25 <andythenorth> I transported 159 of 3775 pax in last month 14:11:26 <andythenorth> :P 14:11:32 <Jinassi> damn lol 14:11:34 <andythenorth> and 44 of 634 mail 14:11:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Jinassi: the original road layout is the worst for growing towns 14:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Jinassi: a lot of places that could be used for houses ends up being occupied with pointless roads 14:14:07 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:24 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:14:44 <Jinassi> 1st one was sustained by me, funded it like crazy, 2nd picture, only roads were placed for a few radiuses and then let alone to expand 14:15:17 <Jinassi> both came to 30k population, altough i did not use so much space for stations in 2nd pic 14:15:38 <Jinassi> yeah, original layout does doom it 14:16:11 <Jinassi> am a stubborn man, lol, will burn a few more hours after restart to try gain 14:17:25 <andythenorth> a proportion of towns (cities?) are randomly assigned to grow faster at game start AFAIK 14:17:28 <V453000> Eddi|zuHause: player-side, original is the best actually, if you build your own roads :P 14:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: you can't make a 3x3 or 4x4 grid with original 14:22:08 <V453000> you can if you delete the existing roads and build new? 14:22:24 <V453000> but you still get the bonus for the setting, and you have 3x3 anyway 14:22:42 <V453000> I personally hate any of the grids so I would build it more organic anyway, but still 14:22:49 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: it will build roads into your 3x3 grid making it a 1x1 grid 14:23:09 <V453000> assume town is not allowed to build roads 14:23:23 <V453000> if you want to care about it, that setting should be obvious 14:23:34 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, that may work 14:23:59 <V453000> im not sure what bonus does it get 14:24:04 <V453000> does it just renew buildings more often? 14:24:22 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 14:24:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:24:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i generally use "better", and only touch the roads if it bothers me, like two roads not connecting because they are 1 tile offset 14:25:30 <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/User:Mfb/Towns ... there we looked into openttd code ... calculate how many times the town tries to build a house 14:25:31 <V453000> :0 14:25:43 <V453000> so the bonus is quite substantial 14:27:43 <V453000> this is cute http://bind2.com/bind.php?u=8BjADO0YDx9TEBPexu4KFVD7wZePGAnQLYkNDxsNHsqUSMjPjQUAKKVbatp6zEHW9sM%3D&b=29 14:27:46 <V453000> asdf 14:27:55 <V453000> but yeah this http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/File:Spiraltown.png 14:28:51 <V453000> nyway, me off 14:29:12 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:29:49 <Jinassi> brb lost my jaw 14:32:46 <argoneus> ayy 14:39:18 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:12 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@176.76.81.15] has joined #openttd 14:51:48 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.76] has joined #openttd 14:52:53 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:15 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 15:13:14 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: that's generally what happens when you value abstract game mechanics too much 15:30:29 <V453000> it can be made to look nice when it isnt so uniform :) 15:34:58 <Xaroth|Work> Jinassi: some of your bus stops are empty, I would suggest adding more bus stops and making sure there's almost always something waiting there 15:48:09 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 15:48:39 <andythenorth> does that affect growth significantly? 15:49:03 <argoneus> lol 15:49:12 <argoneus> in a thread "what is your favourite newgrf combination" 15:49:14 <argoneus> http://puu.sh/dnBKf/f34acef33d.png 15:49:44 <argoneus> :D 15:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> who would have ever expected that someone named V435000 would play with NUTS and YETI 15:57:20 <Xaroth|Work> andythenorth: if you always have vehicles loading/unloading it stimulates town growth 15:57:23 <Xaroth|Work> or at least it used to 15:57:45 <Xaroth|Work> you could have 4 bus stations in a small circle (station-walk a bit if needed) and turbo-feed a town from 100 to a few thousand in just a few years 15:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have to transport all passengers to get the town growth bonus 15:59:16 <andythenorth> you just have to collect 15:59:22 <andythenorth> once a month or similar 15:59:41 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:08 <V453000> argoneus: what is wrong with that? :) 16:02:49 <argoneus> V453000: it was just funny, since I read the post first and then the name 16:03:02 <argoneus> it's like being in a topic "what's your favourite OS" and having bill gates post "Windows" without noticing the game 16:03:07 <argoneus> name even 16:03:23 <V453000> doesnt sound that funny to me 16:03:53 <argoneus> :( 16:03:55 <argoneus> s-sorry then 16:13:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:14:33 *** Plaete2 [~moffi@dsdf-4db5fcfc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:40 <Jinassi> Go to mac store, fart profoundly. Blame them for not using windows. Profit. 16:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't work properly in languages other than english 16:17:59 <Jinassi> i..uh..didn't plan that ahead lol 16:18:05 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:16 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 16:26:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 16:38:03 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:44:07 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:44:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:46:55 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:46 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:54 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.76] has joined #openttd 16:56:36 <V453000> good plan though Jinassi :D 16:56:54 <V453000> I especially liked the profoundly part 16:59:53 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:04:50 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 17:17:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01bd8d.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:58 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:07 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@88-148-183-199.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:49:10 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:15:45 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:22 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:02 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:31:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:29 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:56 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@176-76-5-39.ipv4.mobile.tusmobil.si] has joined #openttd 18:42:15 <hsknz> hi 18:44:57 <Alberth> o/ 18:48:01 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:48:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:03:12 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:20 *** MTs-iPad_ [~MTs-iPad@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 19:05:27 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 19:05:42 *** MTs-iPad [~MTs-iPad@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-144-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:16:54 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:58 <Wolf01> hi o/ 19:18:56 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:18 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:06 <Alberth> o/ 19:22:26 <argoneus> o 19:22:34 <argoneus> \ 19:23:24 <Wolf01> so... PSN cracked again 19:25:53 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.55.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:13 <Rubidium> Wolf01: make you think whether it was uncracked in the first place 19:26:33 <Rubidium> or is it just like wikileaks; just leak one thing every day instead of everything at once? 19:30:39 <Wolf01> nah, cracker groups anounced it, maybe it happened some time ago, but it's not the same one of the last time 19:31:26 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:32 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:35 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:17 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 19:34:40 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:09 <andythenorth> o/ 19:41:14 <Wolf01> o/ 19:41:35 <andythenorth> so will a higher clock speed CPU drain my battery faster? o_O 19:41:39 * andythenorth would assume so 19:41:42 <andythenorth> usingâŠphysics 19:42:02 <andythenorth> but maybe it gets the work done faster, so can nap relatively more of the time :P 19:42:43 <Wolf01> I read: "so will a higher train speed drains my clock's battery faster?" and I was wtf?! 19:43:35 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:44:06 <Rubidium> not necessarily, but it depends on lots and lots of things 19:45:09 <Rubidium> though generally speaking: higher clock speed -> more changes -> higher heat production ( = more energy used) 19:45:43 <Rubidium> in the end it heavily depends on the case itself 19:46:44 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 19:48:11 <Rubidium> if it's IO/memory heavy, then a higher clock speed will probably not help because it will just waste energy waiting on data 19:48:56 <Wolf01> also you need to raise the processor's Vss because of the shape of the signal, higher clock means that the signal could not reach the "1" state before going to "0" again, so you get a sequence of "0" "maybe 1" "0" and so on 19:49:00 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:18 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 19:50:55 <Quatroking> https://www.origin.com/en-ie/store/buy/simcity-catalog/pc-download/base-game/special-edition 19:50:59 <Quatroking> simcity 2k free on origirenign 19:51:07 <Wolf01> oh nice 19:51:20 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:58 <Rubidium> yet another game from the era the games were still good ;) 19:53:17 <Supercheese> So, then games were good, now they're great? 19:53:21 <Supercheese> :) 19:53:54 <Rubidium> to be serious... I'm kinda stuck in that era 19:54:07 <Wolf01> you are not alone 19:54:18 <frosch123> but i don't consider s2k good ... 19:54:50 <Quatroking> it has a neat spacecraft on the cover tho 19:54:55 <andythenorth> hmm 19:55:05 <Wolf01> I don't consider even TTD good, but they are more enjoyable than most of today games 19:55:09 <Rubidium> SimFarm, SimTower, SimCity (1/2000), Caesar II, Transport Tycoon 19:55:28 <Rubidium> for some reason the stuff a decade after that became significantly worse 19:55:50 <andythenorth> so currently I have 2.8Ghz i7 dual-core, from Dec 2013, get ~9 hours battery life on typical use 19:56:02 <andythenorth> considering buying 3.0Ghz i7 dual-core, late 2014 19:56:17 <Rubidium> got the exact types? 19:56:22 <andythenorth> could look them up 19:56:44 <glx> more recent can be more efficient even with faster clock 19:57:04 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:06 <Quatroking> oh and because I'm cool like that, also a free copy of afterfall insanity https://www.indiegala.com/store 19:59:15 <andythenorth> 22 nm "Haswell" 2.8 GHz Intel "Core i7" processor (4558U) vs. 19:59:16 <andythenorth> 22 nm "Haswell" 3.0 GHz Intel "Core i7" processor (4578U) 19:59:26 <andythenorth> look like similar part numbers 19:59:37 <glx> and the TDP ? 19:59:55 <Wolf01> https://www.flickr.com/photos/97265543@N02/14370130541/ <- nice train 20:00:14 <andythenorth> hmm 20:00:18 <andythenorth> how do I find TDP? :P 20:00:35 <Rubidium> both 28W 20:00:48 <Rubidium> interestingly the 4578 has half the L2 of 4558 20:01:22 <Rubidium> and apparantly twice the maximum memory bandwidth ?!? 20:01:53 <andythenorth> apple have it specced as 4MB in both cases 20:01:54 <andythenorth> dunno 20:02:04 <andythenorth> oh no, thatâs L3 20:02:06 <andythenorth> nvm 20:02:18 <Rubidium> might be that the comparison website I found was wrong 20:03:44 <andythenorth> differences are pretty marginal http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4558U-vs-Intel-4578U 20:04:08 <Rubidium> andythenorth: http://ark.intel.com/compare/75992,83506 20:04:57 <andythenorth> so probably a non-interesting difference in battery life 20:05:06 <Rubidium> yup 20:05:48 <glx> they are almost the same 20:06:01 <andythenorth> the difference on geekbench between the two macs is also marginal 20:06:11 <andythenorth> I hate it when computing maxes out :P 20:06:17 <andythenorth> apple hit this every few years 20:06:28 <andythenorth> canât make it go faster and/or have longer battery life 20:06:56 <Rubidium> looks like it took Intel a year to squeeze a few tenths of GHz extra CPU speed by improving their production processes 20:07:27 <Rubidium> but then... who's competing with Intel on x86? 20:08:19 <andythenorth> the laptop I bought last year kicked battery life from 3 hours to 9 hours, and lost what feels like 0.5KG of weight 20:08:33 <andythenorth> this year santa cannot deliver the same effect ;P 20:08:59 <andythenorth> BAD SANTA 20:09:05 <andythenorth> hmm 20:09:10 <andythenorth> christmas newgrf & GS 20:09:15 <Rubidium> andythenorth: send him a letter 20:09:17 <andythenorth> you have one sleigh 20:09:29 <andythenorth> and have to deliver once to every house on the map 20:09:40 <Rubidium> Santa Claus, North Pole, H0H 0H0, Canada 20:09:48 <andythenorth> hohoho.gs 20:10:29 <Rubidium> andythenorth: but Apple seems to be in the business of getting things larger again 20:10:51 <andythenorth> they do? 20:11:04 <andythenorth> mostly they seem to want to make ridiculous â⊠Air" 20:11:16 <andythenorth> which are about as powerful as a desk calculator 20:11:21 <Rubidium> iphone air plus? 20:11:38 <andythenorth> maybe ipad plus will replace my laptop 20:11:40 <andythenorth> yeah right 20:12:02 <andythenorth> ipad is shockingly bad 20:13:07 <Rubidium> le sigh... 20:13:20 <andythenorth> is that French? 20:13:22 <andythenorth> :P 20:13:22 <Rubidium> iMac with 5K display... for only half of 5K$ 20:14:54 <andythenorth> le iMac 20:15:36 <Rubidium> Apple became cheap 20:15:47 <Rubidium> can't find anything for 25k$ anymore 20:16:04 <Rubidium> even the most beefed up Mac Pro is just over 22k$ 20:20:58 <andythenorth> but what would I do with it :P 20:21:04 <andythenorth> compile FIRS faster? 20:21:11 <andythenorth> I considered buying one to run as a remote compiler :P 20:21:36 <andythenorth> we edit multi-stream HD video on iMacs at work 20:21:45 <andythenorth> no Mac Pro needed 20:24:54 <peter1138> Apple have to be different.. everyone else is pushing 4K, they come along with 5K... 20:26:15 <andythenorth> yup 20:34:11 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3435.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:41:06 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 20:54:40 <glx> hey 5 is better than 4 20:56:06 <peter1138> So what is the resolution they use? 20:56:14 <peter1138> 5K doesn't mean anything :S 20:56:44 <frosch123> 100 x 50 pixels, isn't it? 20:57:01 <frosch123> 1/12 cga 20:57:28 <peter1138> :-) 21:05:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:31 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:50 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:16:15 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:29e2:d989:88b2:3b0f] has quit [Quit: .] 21:17:41 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:45 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@176.76.117.140] has joined #openttd 21:33:26 <__ln__> http://is13.snstatic.fi/img/978/1418107644863.jpg 21:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> "license and registration, please" 21:34:43 <andythenorth> urgh 21:34:48 * andythenorth waits for back ups 21:35:21 <Eddi|zuHause> schedule backups at a time you're not using the computer 21:35:54 <andythenorth> these are a bit more urgent :P 21:36:07 <andythenorth> disk repair reported unrecoverable errors earlier 21:36:48 <andythenorth> and the backup volume keeps filling :P 21:36:57 <andythenorth> done now 21:37:19 <andythenorth> oh well, some Windows VMs arenât backed up, nvm 21:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause> who needs those... 21:40:11 <andythenorth> on the interwebs arenât they 21:40:19 <andythenorth> only IE testing 21:40:29 <andythenorth> taking up 20% of my HD :P 21:43:40 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:09 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3435.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:49:58 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 21:50:16 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 21:52:01 <__ln__> may i remind you that there's still 10 hours time to order a different tablet: http://igg.me/at/jolla-tablet/x/9179263 21:53:39 <andythenorth> âThere are no back doors or anything third parties could use for monitoring your activity" 21:53:42 *** hsknz [~hsknz@0001f970.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:42 <andythenorth> ha ha 21:53:43 <andythenorth> and ha 21:55:07 <frosch123> does it run ottd? 21:55:37 <andythenorth> thereâs an Android port of ottd? 21:56:34 <__ln__> frosch123: probably more easily than other devices. it doesn't need jailbreaking to run your own software, first of all. 21:57:04 <frosch123> i just want to know how i can ship my spyware to it 21:57:38 <andythenorth> open source, provably more secure 21:58:57 <peter1138> Like OpenSSL? 21:59:00 <peter1138> And bash? 21:59:04 <andythenorth> just like those 21:59:18 <peter1138> Also, that mouse... 22:00:59 <peter1138> We believe in piracy 22:01:22 <peter1138> Unique and independent OS with nothing released for it. 22:01:29 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:50 <andythenorth> crowd funding is funny 22:01:58 <andythenorth> itâs all about how well you perform in the pitch 22:02:03 <andythenorth> and how plausible and likeable you are 22:02:43 <andythenorth> the real perfection is to be so likeable and homely that your product seems awesome 22:02:47 <andythenorth> itâs basically a hustle 22:03:01 <andythenorth> market trading passed off as craft 22:03:04 <frosch123> you should make stuff, which people buy and not use after purchase 22:03:17 <frosch123> in that case it does not need to work either 22:03:27 <andythenorth> exercise equipment 22:03:30 <andythenorth> gym membership 22:03:35 <andythenorth> iPad Minis 22:03:46 <frosch123> yup, that stuff 22:03:57 <peter1138> vinyl records 22:04:09 <peter1138> even CDs now 22:04:22 <peter1138> DAB radios 22:04:30 <andythenorth> I use my DAB radio 22:04:33 <andythenorth> hmm 22:04:35 <peter1138> Shocking 22:04:39 <andythenorth> iPods 22:04:42 <peter1138> Mine never has a good enough signal. 22:04:44 <andythenorth> iPod accessories 22:04:54 <andythenorth> kitchen equipment 22:05:38 <peter1138> the electric bread/cheese/meat slicer? 22:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: so that is already overfunded by 400%? 22:05:44 <andythenorth> all the things 22:05:47 <peter1138> the food processor with 25 different attachments 22:05:54 <andythenorth> ho, ottd is light on commits recently 22:05:57 <andythenorth> must be dying 22:05:58 <andythenorth> again 22:06:00 <peter1138> it's dead 22:06:08 <andythenorth> is the rivers patch any good? The screenies look good 22:06:17 <peter1138> because there's no daylength or infrastructure sharing 22:06:24 <peter1138> and no road types 22:06:26 <peter1138> and no highways 22:06:31 <frosch123> and no bug fixes :p 22:06:33 <peter1138> and no realistic scale 22:06:34 <frosch123> not even for mhl 22:06:44 <peter1138> mhl is not buggy! 22:06:47 <peter1138> that's just a feature 22:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and no custom bridgeheads 22:07:35 <peter1138> no programmable signals 22:07:37 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: it is. not that they'll need to pour the rest of the money into a shredder though. 22:07:38 <andythenorth> but there is extra zoom, and extra zoom gui 22:07:39 <andythenorth> thank god 22:08:10 <peter1138> __ln__, will it never be sold outside of this funding thing? 22:08:12 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 22:08:25 <frosch123> andythenorth: does fish have graphics for yeti yet? 22:08:31 <andythenorth> nope 22:08:34 <frosch123> the tugboat could transport yetis 22:08:35 <andythenorth> squid yeti 22:08:37 <frosch123> i think they can swim 22:08:46 <andythenorth> V453000 should render a giant squid holding a yeti 22:08:49 <__ln__> peter1138: it will. 22:09:11 <V453000> :d 22:09:16 <peter1138> see, you said there's only 10 hours left 22:09:33 <V453000> actually animating tentacles is one of the hugest wtf I have yet considered 22:09:33 <peter1138> i still don't have a need for any other tablet, not sure why i'd need that one 22:09:36 <V453000> not doing that. 22:09:42 <peter1138> V453000, hentai? 22:09:45 <__ln__> peter1138: 10 hours is a subset of e.g. 10 months. 22:09:54 <andythenorth> V453000: tentacles are procedural no? 22:09:55 <frosch123> peter1138: wait, do you have a use for *one* tablet? 22:10:01 <peter1138> frosch123, exactly 22:10:12 <andythenorth> tablets are nice for resting your coffee mug on 22:10:19 <peter1138> but they seem popular enough that they're all in the electronics stores 22:10:19 <andythenorth> if you have a nice non-slip, wipe-clean case 22:10:27 <peter1138> just... why? 22:10:34 <andythenorth> because BBC Weather 22:10:42 <andythenorth> and um 22:10:45 <andythenorth> because kids? 22:10:56 <peter1138> kids get a bbc micro 22:11:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to these table-sized "tablets"? 22:11:24 <__ln__> it boils down to: should there be more than two options in the world for a mobile OS. if everyone's fine with Android and iOS being the only choices, then fine. 22:11:47 <V453000> andythenorth: sure, if you create the procedure? :D 22:11:49 <V453000> peter1138: no. :) 22:12:01 <andythenorth> __ln__: fair point, they are both terrible choices 22:12:09 <andythenorth> is Sailfish the mozilla thing 22:12:15 <andythenorth> someone showed me a mozilla tablet os 22:12:18 <__ln__> andythenorth: nope, it isn't 22:12:30 <peter1138> linux works well as a os on my netbook 22:12:33 <peter1138> that's pretty mobile 22:12:42 <peter1138> my mobile phone just needs to make bloody phone calls 22:12:47 <__ln__> it's somewhat the successor of MeeGo (developed by Nokia and to some extent Intel) 22:12:50 <peter1138> and android is pretty crappy at that :( 22:13:00 <andythenorth> eh 22:13:02 <andythenorth> netbook? 22:13:10 <andythenorth> :P 22:13:11 <peter1138> 10" thing 22:13:15 <peter1138> with keyboard 22:13:19 <peter1138> for typing on 22:13:31 <andythenorth> oic :P 22:13:32 <peter1138> the macbook should have osx but i've still not found it :p 22:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: so they were allowed to carry the MeeGo development out of Nokia? 22:13:40 <andythenorth> I should send you a DVD 22:13:45 <peter1138> ok 22:13:52 <andythenorth> right now we have office shenanigans relating to no heating + asbestos 22:13:56 <peter1138> or get me a link to download it :p 22:13:56 <andythenorth> so not a top priority :P 22:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> asbestos doesn't burn very well in the oven? :p 22:14:26 <andythenorth> frigging ternary operator in python, I have to look it up everytime 22:14:30 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: a lot of it was licensed under GPL and other free licences. not the UI parts though. 22:14:38 <peter1138> x ? y : z 22:14:51 <andythenorth> a if test else b 22:14:59 <peter1138> that's dumb 22:15:05 <andythenorth> makes sense to me 22:15:09 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i mean, there were probably a decent number of unreleased development efforts at nokia, did they have access to those? 22:15:10 <andythenorth> but I just wrote it wrong 22:15:13 <andythenorth> a if test or b 22:15:14 <andythenorth> :P 22:15:15 <andythenorth> oops 22:15:23 <andythenorth> True OR False 22:15:26 <andythenorth> silly andythenorth 22:15:47 <peter1138> nokia are clearly useless at OSes 22:16:03 <andythenorth> they should have stuck to trees 22:16:15 <andythenorth> one day there will be a phone as small as the 3210 22:16:17 <andythenorth> but with big keys 22:16:25 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: they (probably) didn't; at least nothing such has been implied in public. 22:17:08 <andythenorth> they did allow a load of staff to exit with IP 22:17:14 <andythenorth> and some seed money allegedly 22:17:33 <__ln__> that's true 22:18:44 <NGC3982> hakkapelitan. 22:18:53 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 22:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> gesundheit. 22:20:42 <andythenorth> pikka zeps have fat bottoms 22:20:51 <andythenorth> they would probably break out of depots in | view 22:20:57 <andythenorth> fortunately we donât have | depots 22:21:24 <andythenorth> nor | canals or rivers 22:21:31 <Eddi|zuHause> why worry about nonexistent problems? 22:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> there are | half-shores 22:22:00 * andythenorth is not worrying 22:22:15 <andythenorth> more basking in a problem side-stepped 22:22:25 <argoneus> good night train friends 22:23:55 <andythenorth> I like trains? 22:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause> why did you have to do that?!? 22:26:28 <andythenorth> what did I do now? o_O 22:26:46 <NGC3982> Like trains. 22:27:26 <andythenorth> also eh 22:27:39 <andythenorth> I just did the last thing I know I need to do for Squid 1.0.0 22:28:06 <Eddi|zuHause> then ship it! 22:28:10 <andythenorth> so youâd all better try and break it, before I get it burnt to golden master and distribute the CDs 22:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause> (pun intended) 22:28:14 <andythenorth> oh wait 22:29:26 <andythenorth> I could fix a few more things 22:29:27 <andythenorth> but eh 22:29:30 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 22:29:35 <andythenorth> real artists ship, etc 22:30:37 <andythenorth> now I just need to release bloody Road Hog, then I can learn how GS works 22:30:41 <andythenorth> :| 22:38:21 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 22:41:50 <andythenorth> also bed 22:41:51 <andythenorth> bye 22:41:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:49:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:58:58 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 22:59:21 <Wolf01> 'night 22:59:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:06:50 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01bd8d.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:12:17 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:20:39 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 23:48:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]