Log for #openttd on 25th June 2015:
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00:25:51  <supermop> hmm this dual power guy is using diesel even on my third rail tracks
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00:38:50  <FLHerne> supermop: I think new nutracks broke UKRS2 a bit, if that's the thing :-
00:38:52  <FLHerne> (
00:39:07  <supermop> using japan tracks
00:40:37  <Sylf> using japan tracks with something other than japan set trains?
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00:42:59  <supermop> often do
00:43:21  <supermop> oops
00:43:34  <supermop> accidentally added japan tracks and nu tracks
00:43:51  <supermop> thats why the railtype menu looked so odd
00:44:24  <Sylf> :D
00:44:34  <supermop> i wish the japan set included the standard gauge private company trains
00:44:44  <supermop> and tokyo subway trains
00:45:09  <supermop> like ginza and maranouchi 3rd rail metros
00:45:25  <supermop> wish it was in 2cc too
00:46:03  <supermop> or maybe i just played so many games with japan set in the past i can no longer handle it
00:46:38  <Sylf> I've pretty much stopped playing with japan set since version 3  :(
00:47:01  <supermop> odd because when i play with japan set i feel "too many EMUs"
00:47:15  <supermop> when i play any other set i feel "not enough EMUs"
00:47:47  <Sylf> and the number of emus represented in the set is nowhere near half complete the real thing XD
00:47:59  <supermop> haha yeah
00:48:09  <supermop> also i use 103s everywhere
00:48:24  <supermop> and those hokkaido blue fast DMUs
00:48:37  <Sylf> 103 was once my fav train
00:48:52  <supermop> me too
00:49:03  <Sylf> It was my symbol of Tokyo trains, as we didn't have 103s near where we lived
00:49:21  <supermop> i've only rode on nara line circa 2005
00:50:14  <supermop> when i was in tokyo didnt see any there
00:50:35  <Sylf> nah, 103s are too old by now
00:50:39  <supermop> they had some old orange trains on chuo line but i think they were different?
00:50:53  <Sylf> those are 201s
00:50:59  <supermop> by the time i was there in 2009 the orange ones were gone
00:51:00  <Sylf> newer than 103
00:51:18  <Sylf> yup, all replaced by newer gen stainless body trains
00:52:00  <supermop> also once in 2004 i got a reserved green car seat on some nice train on chuo line from tokyo to shinjuku and never saw such a thing again
00:52:25  <Sylf> I've never rode on any green cars yet
00:53:03  <supermop> had walked to tokyo from nishi shinjuku via yotsuya akihabara and other areas and feet were really tired
00:54:04  <supermop> went to ticket counter to reserve seats on shinkansen for the next day, and mentioned was heading back to shinjuku now, and guy reserved us these fancy seats that departed in like 8 min
00:54:14  <supermop> we had green JR Pass so it was free
00:54:35  <supermop> also that first trip they still had series 0 shinkansesns
00:54:55  <supermop> by my last trip in 2013 i only saw 700 and n700 everywhere
00:55:06  <Sylf> Yeah.  not even 500 anymore
00:55:18  <Sylf> I never got the chance to ride on 500
00:56:00  <supermop> i saw one once in a station in 2004
00:56:06  <supermop> took a photo
00:56:23  <supermop> that trip i only rode 300
00:56:31  <Sylf> By the time I saw it for the first and only time, they only ran 500 west of Osaka
00:57:39  <supermop> never gone east of tokyo so i have never seen any of the green striped units
00:57:40  <JezK> ooh i rode a 500 this year
00:57:52  <JezK> i got on the wrong train i think
00:57:57  <supermop> ha
00:57:59  <JezK> but it was good =)
00:58:04  <Sylf> :P
00:58:07  <JezK> well it was the right train, but i had the wrong ticket
00:58:19  <JezK> fortunately it didn't get checked
00:58:30  <supermop> must have been a short ride
00:58:45  <JezK> yeah kyoto->osaka
00:58:48  <JezK> very quick
00:59:02  <supermop> haha shinkansen is a bit overkill for that
00:59:10  <JezK> yep
00:59:29  <supermop> i rode kyoto to kobe once
00:59:32  <JezK> argh i want to go back, i miss good trains
00:59:48  <Sylf> i know it
00:59:50  <supermop> then had to switch to a hikari railstar 700
00:59:51  <JezK> i haven't been to kobe, i need to go there on my next trip
01:00:12  <Sylf> What's there to do in Kobe?
01:00:17  <Sylf> other than eating
01:00:25  <supermop> to continue to hakata because jr pass doesnt let you take nozomi
01:00:29  <JezK> hmm i hear the architecture is interesting
01:00:30  <supermop> okonomiyaki?
01:00:54  <supermop> my brother's friend's family has a sock company there
01:01:48  <supermop> one of the best shinkansen experiences ive had was in 2009 i stayed in the jr hotel in jr kyoto station
01:01:54  <Sylf> I thought taking hikari was pretty fun last time we used rail pass
01:02:02  <Sylf> so many foreign tourists
01:02:30  <supermop> and got a east facing room so could watch shinkansens pulling in and leaving in the morning
01:02:31  <JezK> i got the hikari from kyoto down to kagoshima, that was long
01:02:39  <JezK> so many tunnels
01:02:53  <supermop> yeah gaijin like us are stuck on the slow trains
01:02:58  <Sylf> oh man, that sure is long
01:03:29  <supermop> when i went hakata to tokyo, basically wasted a whole day
01:03:49  <JezK> kagoshima is really nice, then hydrofoil to yakushima which is amazing
01:04:14  <Sylf> I've never been west of Hiroshima
01:04:25  <Sylf> jealous
01:04:34  <JezK> gotta make use of the JR pass
01:04:47  <JezK> i haven't been north east of tokyo, that's on the agenda for next time
01:04:50  <Sylf> When I go to Japan, I spend time with family, not traveling :P
01:05:06  <supermop> best part of kyushu is ramen in hakata
01:05:36  <supermop> Sylf: well now if you live abroad you can buy the jr pass
01:05:51  <Sylf> yes, I've used it once with my daughter
01:06:10  <Sylf> went to hiroshima with it, and did more travel that time
01:06:15  <JezK> I need to go to tashirojima (cat island) near sendai
01:06:41  <supermop> haha i just built a metro station called 'mantyla hardware store'
01:06:45  <Sylf> I want to go to sapporo snow/ice fest one of these days.
01:06:47  <JezK> lol
01:06:59  <JezK> Sylf, i'd love to do that, but i hear it gets packed out
01:07:07  <supermop> i'm sure the commuters will find that name helpfull
01:07:17  <Sylf> festival is only half of my fun
01:07:30  <Sylf> train ride there is the other half
01:07:46  <JezK> yeah, do you go skiing/snowboarding?
01:07:51  <Sylf> yeah
01:08:05  <JezK> I tried it for the first time this year, so fun
01:08:11  <Sylf> last time I went there, got the package ticket for train and ski
01:08:29  <JezK> only 3 days in hakuba, but it was great
01:08:33  <JezK> first time seeing snow
01:08:39  <Sylf> :o
01:09:13  <Sylf> it was the first time my daughter skiing away from home, and sprained her knee at the end of the day.
01:09:20  <JezK> aww no
01:09:22  <Sylf> best topic of conversation :P
01:09:39  <supermop> i regret not going up to japan while living over here...
01:09:52  <supermop> flight is still long but no jet lag
01:10:00  <JezK> supermop, where are you?
01:10:02  <supermop> flying from new york is brutal
01:10:08  <supermop> melbourne now
01:10:17  <JezK> ahh, yeah i am in sydney
01:10:24  <JezK> aus to japan isn't so bad
01:10:28  <supermop> move back to NYC in 2 weeks
01:10:31  <JezK> oh i see
01:10:38  <Sylf> yeah.  I fly from detroit to nagoya, so I know those long flights
01:10:55  <supermop> i've done detroit-narita
01:11:04  <supermop> and MSP-narita
01:11:21  <supermop> last time i did jfk-haneda, sooo long
01:11:22  <Sylf> seattle-narita was actually nice
01:11:30  <Sylf> 9 hours, and done.
01:11:58  <supermop> Sylf: that sounds too short, i would be unprepared after only 9 hours!
01:12:06  <Sylf> :P
01:12:17  <supermop> next time i will probably go via honolulu though
01:12:23  <Sylf> Maybe it's too short for those who can sleep
01:12:28  <supermop> as fiance has family there
01:12:35  <supermop> oh i never sleep on planes
01:12:38  <Sylf> my daughter's been begging me to do that
01:12:53  <supermop> HNL is basically already japan
01:13:13  <supermop> maybe more japanese people than okinawa!
01:13:20  <Sylf> Basically?  I thought it was actual.
01:13:56  <supermop> the city itselgf is large majority japanese, as are most other towns on oahu
01:14:22  <supermop> hnl has some okinawan, korean, and chinese people too but much less
01:14:36  <supermop> and then white and black americans very very few
01:14:45  <Sylf> I hear a Japanese person can have a full Hawaiian vacation without speaking a word of English
01:15:23  <supermop> a lot of local hawaiians could probably have a full week in oahu speaking only japanese
01:15:54  <supermop> most non-asians on oahu live on north shore
01:16:23  <supermop> but even up there the towns were historically japanese
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01:18:28  <supermop> i wish ukrs would let my put a little diesel on the end of this 3rd rail emu
01:18:50  <supermop> can't afford to electrify tail end of branch line
01:19:05  <supermop> brb
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02:07:54  <supermop> should probably get back to doing something productive
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08:25:26  <supermop> 3rd rail diesel dude should be able to push emus
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08:55:13  <Pikka> who's 3rd rail diesel dude?
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09:03:22  <supermop> yours dude
09:03:46  <supermop> type jb
09:04:56  <Pikka> well, it probably can
09:05:14  <Pikka> if the rail set defines 3rd rail as able to run on non-electrified track
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09:08:42  <supermop> i have it currently sandwiching 4 cars, on the front with a type ha on the rear
09:09:16  <supermop> but when i try to have it push a brel emu it says the emu can only attach standard cars
09:10:19  <Pikka> oh, that consist limit thing
09:10:23  <Pikka> such realism
09:12:09  <supermop> i can see limiting what goes between the end cars,
09:12:48  <supermop> but surely the cab ends have couplers that could connect to a locomotive or different class emu/dmu
09:13:14  <supermop> (also tried a half 3rd rail emu, half dmu train)
09:13:17  <Pikka> are you talking "realism", or OpenTTD?
09:14:23  <Pikka> OpenTTD I don't think it's possible to limit only what goes between the end cars
09:14:37  <Pikka> but any consist limitation is a bad "realism" feature anyway.
09:19:54  <Supercheese> just stick the invisible leading engine in front of it
09:20:01  <Supercheese> should remove the "cannot attach" problem
09:20:14  <Supercheese> presuming you have that grf loaded anyhow
09:23:02  <supermop> hmm
09:23:26  <supermop> you guys remember that video that guy made of some kind of shunting patch?
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16:47:10  <Terkhen> hello
16:47:14  <Alberth> hihi
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17:45:17  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27318 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/frisian.txt (2015-06-25 19:45:13 +0200 )
17:45:18  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:19  <DorpsGek> frisian - 9 changes by BAJansen
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18:02:01  <andythenorth> o/
18:06:29  <andythenorth> people do not play the train game in summer
18:06:34  <andythenorth> all is quiet
18:07:01  <Alberth> moin
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18:34:11  <Supercheese> train game plays you
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18:40:25  <andythenorth> only in Soviet Russia
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19:07:00  <andythenorth> quak
19:07:01  <andythenorth> that is all
19:09:07  <frosch123> hoi
19:09:24  * andythenorth has zero feature requests
19:09:27  <andythenorth> it is a safe place
19:10:54  <frosch123> does someone have a greasemonkey script that hides all forums topics/posts with the R-word?
19:11:05  <andythenorth> Rubidium ?
19:11:09  <planetmaker> :)
19:11:13  <andythenorth> why do you want to hide his posts?
19:11:23  <planetmaker> nah, the R-word is B*elugas ;)
19:12:05  <andythenorth> doesn’t begin with R :o
19:12:37  <frosch123> the R word is becoming quite annoying lately
19:12:59  <frosch123> must be because belugas is no longer visiting the forums and kicking people's ass
19:13:31  <frosch123> dalestan gone, belugas gone... who is going to tell the douchebags that they are douchebags?
19:13:40  <andythenorth> we have a pretty severe influx of newbies atm
19:13:42  <andythenorth> afaict
19:13:48  <andythenorth> the reddit effect?
19:13:54  <andythenorth> I think a lot of them are young
19:14:02  <andythenorth> I don’t want to bully them tbh
19:14:26  <andythenorth> although also, I got my ass kicked verbally enough times by adults when I was a teenager
19:14:31  <andythenorth> did no harm
19:14:35  <andythenorth> made me the person I am today
19:14:38  <andythenorth> talking to myself
19:14:40  <andythenorth> on the internet
19:15:05  <frosch123> yup, did no harm to you :p
19:16:04  <planetmaker> hehe :)
19:16:43  <planetmaker> I really should invite myself to your place somewhen, andythenorth ;)
19:17:32  <frosch123> just offer to bring some lego :)
19:17:41  * andythenorth does not do real world interaction
19:18:24  <andythenorth> except with my children, other people’s children, the parents of those children, my own parents, my in-laws, people I employee, customers, people in shops, healthcare professionals, taxi drivers, and random strangers
19:18:37  <andythenorth> and, occasionally, my brother
19:19:58  <andythenorth> frosch123: what you need
19:20:00  <andythenorth> is a gif
19:20:11  <andythenorth> a nice one, but making the point
19:20:29  <andythenorth> I think this is the default, no?
19:20:40  <planetmaker> :)
19:20:42  <planetmaker> did you meet R when he was in England?
19:20:46  <andythenorth> no
19:21:13  <andythenorth> I should have bought him a drink, but my kids had injections that day and it wasn’t a thing that could happen
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19:21:50  <frosch123> <- it's no gif
19:21:51  <Wolf01> o/
19:23:05  <frosch123> planetmaker: the other day you mentioned some desync
19:23:06  <peter1138> Who said it was?
19:23:08  <frosch123> anything happened to that?
19:23:48  <planetmaker> frosch123, oh, good reminder. Nothing happend with it. But data are on our server still
19:28:02  <planetmaker> I guess I could try to get them off there or do you have login, still?
19:29:39  <planetmaker> it took surprisingly little time to get one logged, like 15 minutes game time or so
19:29:56  <planetmaker> s/game/play/
19:31:08  <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> I think a lot of them are young <-- statistically, new people born into this world will be younger than you are.
19:32:15  <frosch123> sometimes your second wife is younger than your children
19:32:36  <frosch123> planetmaker: as usual, likely i have access, but don't know where :p
19:35:48  <Eddi|zuHause> i have not enough experience with second wives to judge that
19:37:34  <planetmaker> frosch123, nearly the case with my boss :P
19:39:46  <planetmaker> frosch123, ssh -p11022
19:40:19  <Alberth> mv ssh sst
19:40:30  <planetmaker> ?
19:40:43  <Alberth> looks beter :)
19:40:56  <Alberth> *better
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19:43:02  <frosch123> planetmaker: there are some files from 2015-06-16
19:43:05  <frosch123> but i see no start game
19:43:51  <frosch123> ah, another folder
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19:48:55  <planetmaker> frosch123, in the savegame dir (not autosave) there's desync_start from the same date
19:49:11  <planetmaker> and yes, the date is right
19:49:13  <frosch123> yup, saw it in the logs
19:49:55  <planetmaker> sorry for delay... my home router seems to be at the end of its life :P
19:50:06  <frosch123> mine as well
19:50:21  <frosch123> likely it is infested with all kinds of malware
19:50:34  <planetmaker> not unlikely
19:51:41  <Taede> ello
19:56:33  <planetmaker> hi TÀde ;)
20:02:07  * andythenorth wonders what would happen if we just stopped the date display incremementing?
20:02:25  <andythenorth> and/or rolled over to same day when enough ticks have passed
20:02:30  <andythenorth> Groundhog Day mode
20:07:25  * andythenorth has been playing for 30 game years with no new vehicles
20:07:27  <andythenorth> quite fun
20:12:38  <Wolf01> hey that was my daylength idea
20:13:18  <Taede> will the day advance to the next eventually?
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20:14:04  <andythenorth> no
20:14:06  <andythenorth> never
20:14:19  * andythenorth doesn’t claim credit
20:14:49  <frosch123> andythenorth: i think someone made a patch to repeat the same year like 5 times
20:15:01  <andythenorth> I had one that eddi made but denies knowledge of :)
20:15:21  <frosch123> it only broke the finance history, like the date cheat, but who cares about finances :)
20:15:47  <andythenorth> the history is crap anyway
20:15:53  <andythenorth> it’s got little use
20:16:02  <andythenorth> I guess there are the profit graphs and such
20:16:40  <andythenorth> “what OpenTTD needs is a full double-entry accounting system”
20:16:47  <andythenorth> said no-one I want to know, ever
20:16:53  <frosch123> i actually don't know why the history breaks when using the datecheat
20:17:04  <frosch123> iirc it just shifts the data along some array every year
20:17:25  <andythenorth> $reasons
20:17:28  <andythenorth> just delete it
20:17:46  <andythenorth> less code, fewer bugs
20:17:53  <andythenorth> more room for new features...
20:18:54  <andythenorth> “less code = fewer bugs”.  Try applying that to
input validation.  Or edge-case guards.
20:19:08  <andythenorth> :P
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21:11:33  <Terkhen> good night
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22:32:43  <Wolf01> 'night
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