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#openttd 15:33:10 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:33:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:33:47 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CDC3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:43:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:55 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:32:28 <luaduck> hey guys, any reason there's no blog post to accompany 1.5.2? 16:33:21 <Alberth> nobody wrote one 16:33:29 <Alberth> you want to make one? 16:34:36 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:35:22 <luaduck> as long as it's a haiku 16:35:39 <Alberth> that would be fine 16:38:49 <luaduck> Post the last release, 16:38:49 <luaduck> we fixed all of the bugs, so 16:38:49 <luaduck> Please enjoy 1.5.2! 16:38:54 <luaduck> does a version count as 3 syllables? 16:40:07 <Alberth> you're the haiku expert :) 16:41:39 <Alberth> I don't have enough rights to make a post, it needs a more powerful wizard 16:45:26 <Sylf> as long as you dont pronounce "dot", that works 16:46:26 <Sylf> but enjoy is two syllables 16:59:55 <Wolf01> yay, managed to build a 2 track bridge in railfever! 17:06:16 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19766.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 17:06:55 <andythenorth> o/ 17:14:10 <Alberth> hi hi 17:15:59 <Wolf01> o/ 17:16:34 * andythenorth baffled by probability 17:18:47 <andythenorth> hmm 17:18:48 <andythenorth> nvm 17:18:58 <andythenorth> also for FIRS v2, my to-do list says: 17:19:00 <andythenorth> âallow fishing grounds to change production using standard TTD mechanicâ 17:19:04 <andythenorth> why? 17:19:16 <andythenorth> V453000 this was something you approved of, what was the reason? ^ 17:20:25 <Sylf> standard? like production value increanse/decrease so we can print money even more easily? 17:21:28 <andythenorth> higher ratings -> more production 17:21:31 <andythenorth> would be the idea 17:21:44 <andythenorth> dunno why I think that is a good idea 17:23:47 <Alberth> tbh I would expect it to behave like other FIRS industries 17:24:06 <Alberth> ie I see no reason to make a special case of it 17:28:00 <andythenorth> canât find the original conversation in logs :P 17:28:01 <andythenorth> nvm 17:28:06 <andythenorth> I donât see the benefit 17:28:23 <andythenorth> biab 17:28:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:36:30 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:38:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f746d4b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 17:40:00 <Alberth> hoi 17:40:35 <Alberth> luaduck made us a 1.5.2 haiku 17:45:14 <frosch123> luaduck: https://www.openttd.org/en/ <- formatting okay? 17:45:18 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27394 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/frisian.txt (2015-09-03 19:45:12 +0200 ) 17:45:19 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:20 <DorpsGek> frisian - 25 changes by BAJansen 17:46:05 <planetmaker> :) 17:46:26 <planetmaker> frosch123, blathijs asked for a new release of nml and opengfx... anything you know which should stop that? 17:46:50 <frosch123> no, were there even changes since last release? :p 17:47:13 <planetmaker> yes... by you :P 17:47:30 <planetmaker> and one of them a fix which makes sorting deterministic for languages 17:47:48 <planetmaker> which why he wants it :) 17:48:15 <frosch123> nml looks fine, we have no new or critical bugs 17:48:20 <planetmaker> anyway, then I'll prepare one 17:48:27 <frosch123> except some suse mess, but that is suse's fault 17:48:32 <planetmaker> :) 17:48:41 <planetmaker> suse mess? 17:48:47 <planetmaker> where when how? 17:49:32 <frosch123> by using a python version that is neither rock solid nor bleeding edge 17:49:52 <planetmaker> ah. 17:49:59 <frosch123> so, it is somewhat new, but broken 17:56:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:09 *** shirish_ [~quassel@14.97.235.174] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:03 *** liq4 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 18:14:39 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 18:23:16 <andythenorth> eh Alberth I have a python question, which I should know but donât 18:23:27 <andythenorth> I make a method call âjob_ids = self._get_jobs()â 18:23:33 <andythenorth> which currently returns one value 18:23:42 <andythenorth> but I need the method to return two values, in a dict or such 18:24:01 <Alberth> just pack 18:24:02 <andythenorth> whatâs the neatest way to unpack them to vars in the calling script? 18:24:04 <Alberth> return 1, 2 18:24:14 <Alberth> a, b = 1, 2 18:24:15 <andythenorth> and then unpack on the call? 18:24:16 <andythenorth> ok 18:24:22 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 18:24:31 <andythenorth> itâs a DB query, so I have to be 100% sure I donât accidentally call it twice :P 18:24:32 <Alberth> ab = 1, 2 gives a tuple 18:24:39 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:25:28 <Alberth> def __init__(self): self.boom = false def call(): assert not self.boom; result = dbcall(); self.boom = true; return result :p 18:28:29 <andythenorth> "too many values to unpackâ 18:28:31 <andythenorth> hmm 18:30:19 <Alberth> a, b = (1, 2, 3 ) in python3 18:30:34 <Alberth> parentheses are not relevant 18:30:42 <andythenorth> itâs 2.7, but eh 18:31:14 <andythenorth> return query, list_of_ids 18:31:19 <Alberth> same, with a little less information 18:31:24 <andythenorth> query, job_ids = self._get_jobs() 18:32:44 <Alberth> no idea from that code 18:33:02 <andythenorth> nah 18:33:06 * andythenorth must be daft 18:33:33 <Alberth> assign it to 1 var, and print it ? 18:34:34 <andythenorth> there was another return 18:34:36 <andythenorth> oops 18:34:39 <andythenorth> I hate multiple returns :P 18:34:41 <Alberth> :) 18:35:01 <Alberth> I like them, it reduces indenting and long jumps 18:36:32 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:02 <andythenorth> works now :) 18:38:03 <frosch123> yup, return and continue ftw :) 18:38:13 <frosch123> and break 18:38:17 <frosch123> i knew i missed something :p 18:38:25 <Alberth> :) 18:39:04 <Alberth> lua doesn't even have continue 18:39:38 <frosch123> intentional, or just lazy? 18:40:32 <Alberth> either intentional or it doesn't fit in the design 18:42:39 <Alberth> instead, they recommend to fold a repeat ... until false in the loop, so "break" means continue 18:43:02 <Alberth> talk about confusing :p 18:44:03 <frosch123> they "recommend" that? :o 18:45:46 * andythenorth might to FIRS 18:46:23 <andythenorth> so if I swap industry availabilty cb results from âallow/disallowâ to probabilities 18:46:32 <andythenorth> players can always fund? 18:47:48 <Alberth> gn 18:48:01 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 18:48:41 <andythenorth> hmm 18:48:50 <andythenorth> looks like Iâd still have to check whether player was funding or not 18:49:02 <andythenorth> returning 0 prevents construction 18:50:38 <andythenorth> is it desirable in multiplayer to always alllow players to fund, irrespective of industry intro date? 18:51:12 <frosch123> i would attribute that rather to singleplayer :p 18:51:54 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d823f0a.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:51:59 <andythenorth> yes 18:52:11 <andythenorth> I only just thought of the problem with it in MP 18:52:35 <frosch123> i think multiplayer sticks to rules, while singleplayers want to play their own model railway to their rules 18:52:45 <andythenorth> +1 18:52:48 <andythenorth> dunno what to do though 18:52:53 <andythenorth> I donât want to spawn parameters 18:55:12 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:04:09 <guru3> http://goo.gl/forms/lzZr7P9Qlm 19:05:01 <frosch123> i already did that, and "i am a frog person" was no option 19:05:25 <frosch123> i guess the most revealing question is the "type random letters" 19:05:36 <frosch123> should allow identifying the keyboard layout 19:05:41 <frosch123> and in some cases the broweser 19:06:57 <Supercheese> I could not think of a single word that I have trouble spelling 19:07:28 <Supercheese> I sat there for five minutes, even went through all of the dog breeds I could think of, but I was extremely confident I could correctly spell everything I thought of 19:07:42 <frosch123> i couldn't decide whether i should answer the "some words" questions in german or english :p 19:07:59 <Supercheese> Well, I limited to the English language, of course :P 19:09:00 <frosch123> from a brittish pov you have a lot of trouble with many words :p 19:09:28 <Supercheese> Bah, humbug 19:12:38 <Supercheese> I liked the "which of these words do you know the meaning of" which was really "which of these is actually a word and which is gibberish" type of question in disguise 19:13:26 <frosch123> yeah, i can imagine i would have liked it in german :p but with english it was a bit boring for me :) 19:14:14 <frosch123> i liked the "do you prefer vanilla or chocolate" followed by "what did you eat last" question, which i could answer with "chocolate" :p 19:16:33 <guru3> remined that he liked it, frosch123 dropped everything to eat it. he then sat down again at the keyboard, "oh." 19:17:05 <frosch123> what? 19:17:08 <frosch123> that's no haiku 19:17:27 <guru3> no, just a hypothetical scenario in which choclate is selected and then written as the last thing eaten 19:17:36 <guru3> although it could make some fun free verse poetry as well 19:18:03 <frosch123> it rhymes somewhat :p 19:18:28 <guru3> ^^ 19:18:49 <frosch123> oh, the order of answers is randomised? 19:19:02 <guru3> no idea 19:19:11 <frosch123> it looks different than yesterday 19:19:26 <andythenorth> yeah, itâs a randomised 19:19:35 <andythenorth> allegedly removes ordering bias 19:19:39 <andythenorth> dunno if thatâs true or not 19:19:48 <andythenorth> I should, I run a company that builds a survey tool :( 19:20:19 <guru3> I had the choclate and last eaten questions in the same order though 19:20:27 <guru3> so maybe it's updated every few minutes? 19:20:39 <frosch123> i only mean the answers 19:20:51 <frosch123> the questions have the same order 19:20:55 <guru3> ah 19:21:10 <frosch123> and some questions also seem to have the answers in the same order, since they are somewhat logicallly ordered 19:21:17 <frosch123> but some look random order 19:21:21 <guru3> I think it's something you can set in google forms 19:22:55 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-89-096.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 19:24:11 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@mue-88-130-89-096.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 19:24:15 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@mue-88-130-89-096.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:39 * andythenorth makes industry intro date vary by economy 19:28:47 <andythenorth> dunno about the player over-ride thing 19:29:00 * peter1138 overrides andythenorth 19:29:04 <andythenorth> yay 19:29:09 <andythenorth> someone else to do the work 19:30:42 <frosch123> zombies don't need payment 19:31:54 <frosch123> would be interesting if some of the dead idlers in this channel would turn into proper ghosts 19:33:02 <guru3> I'm too young to die 19:33:18 <frosch123> you don't age when you are dead 19:33:51 <frosch123> oh, right, that's what you mean with "too young" :p 19:34:11 <frosch123> true, you cannot age later 20:08:00 *** Hiddenfunstuff 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